Is Donald Trump Capable of Ego Death? w/ Anthony Scaramucci

23:57Right. I would say, yeah, that's fine, but you'd have to implement it. Right. OK, and you and Tim Geithner, because Geithner was one of the architects of it, implemented it. And they all, if they want to be honest, they will have to admit that we made a mistake in terms of the allocation of subsidy that went into the economy after the crisis. Too much of it went into the banks. Yeah, recapitalizing Wall Street at the expense of Joe Schmo. And you socialize. So you socialize. You personalize my capital losses and my risks in capitalism. And you socialize the bankers losses. Right. OK. And so you get Occupy Wall Street.

24:35You get the Tea Party. Those two guys are funny because those are you didn't feel like it in the moment. But those are two sides of the same coin. Oh, yeah. Right. Well, that's Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump. Of course. And so. So, again, look at me. Everyone says that the left leaning populism and the right leaning populism is a horseshoe. I don't see it that way. I see it as an incomplete triangle. Explain. They're a lot closer together than you would think. Go take a look at Trump's speeches and Bernie Sanders' speeches. You want to have a little fun? Right. Ask for the transcript of 10 Bernie Sanders' speeches.

25:06Ask for the transcript of 10 Donald Trump 2016 speeches. Put them both in chat GBT and say, are these similar? Backward Trump was somewhat cogent and coherent. Yeah, talking about 2016. Yeah. And you know, these guys are speaking. Right. They're singing off the same sheet music. They're they're in the same choir at the same church. And they're probably in different pews. But it's close enough where you can hear their courts. I mean, yesterday, Trump was is here in New York for the U.N. He went to Gracie Manchin, met Mom Donnie. Every time these these two guys are together, Trump looks like he legitimately likes Zorro.

25:43Overall, you know, I think he's, you know, I don't know. He looks enamored by him. Let me just leave it that way. I don't want to get myself in trouble. There's an enamoration process going on. But you get what I mean about the bailout, right? Yes, I do. So now these people are, you stagnated my wages. You inflated them so I don't have any purchasing power. And now you just told me that there's a two-tiered system and you're going to favor the fat cats. And, oh, by the way, I'm not in the tier where I'm going to get favored. So you know what? Let me throw some Molotov cocktails at this thing. Yeah.

26:15Let me get Donald Trump involved. Burn it down, man. Burn it down, baby. You know what? Burn it down because it's not helping me. Right. Not helping my family. And so let Trump be the avatar of my anger and let him smash into you and make you miserable. Just back to Bush for a minute because, again, I was going deep in the Bush archives for some stuff we were doing for the 9-11 commemoration. It's just amazing because he really had – his initial reaction like the first couple weeks after 9-11, you watch those videos of him on the pile with the bullhorn throwing out the first pitch at Yankee Stadium.

26:49It's unbelievable. He had the country in the palm of his hand. He could have 90 percent approval this time 25 years ago and he threw it all away. It's just – it's tragic. Well, it's – He could have said we have to fight these wars, but we're going to redo the taxes. He could have said, listen, we're going to have a millionaire's patriotic tax. I'm restoring the Clinton tax rates for anybody making over half a billion dollars a year. That would have saved us$4 to$5 trillion of deficit spending over a decade. He didn't do any of that. He told people to go to the shopping mall. He told people, don't worry about it.

27:25We've got this. It's going to be over in a few months. You may remember by May of 03, he starts the war in March of 03. By May of 03, he's in San Diego landing himself on the aircraft carrier saying that the mission is accomplished. It goes on for 18 more years. I mean it was like an unmitigated disaster. I think it's important for people to understand. Slow down. Let's at least address what happened. Let's explain to as many Americans as possible. This is sort of what happened. But by the way, we had things on a generally good trajectory prior to 9-11 and we can fix this. Yeah. So you finished the book in like February, right?

28:06I did. OK. So right before this cluster in Iran started, we've got Trump under 30 percent now, according to a poll I saw yesterday. Reuters has him at 32. These are Bush. These are the numbers that George Bush was dealing with after Katrina and into the sort of twilight of his. Richard Nixon, George Bush in 05. Right. So, I mean, you know, gas is approaching$5. I mean, it was$5 in New York when I filled up. Diesel,$6.50. Yeah, going to$7. The wheels of the global economy, I mean, I don't know if they're falling off, but they are hanging by a thread because of this one decision that he made. Knowing what you know about how our president's brain works.

28:42Yeah. Does he know how badly he f***ed this up? No. I don't think so. I think he's in the bubble of his own mind. I think he thinks he's a faux, lightweight Winston Churchill where he thinks he had no choice. I think he's beating the mantra that Iran must not have a nuclear weapon. Even though they had a deal in place to prevent them from having one, he ripped it up and now he's beating the mantra. So you think he believes it? I do. I think he has enough people around him that are in a cocoon that let him believe whatever he wants and reinforces that belief. Let me just give you an example. I'm going to ban the press.

29:21Natalie, my girlfriend, showed me on an iPad some bad things that were said about me by MSNOW, CNN and Politico. So they're bad. Yeah, right. I'm kicking them out of the people's house, he says. Yeah. OK, there's nobody in the room. This is, whoa, whoa, Mr. President, you can't do that. Right. Because the other— Also, it's just a bad look. First of all, it's an incredibly bad look. You look like a poor sport. You look like a whining baby. And then the other problem is you're going to evacuate all the press. Which is now what's happening. They're not going – they're going to be in consolidation.

29:51And they have to be. And Fox News, which actually leans towards you, has to boycott you. Yeah. They have no choice. Any more than MSNOW would be boycotting you if a – Right. Because they're all part of the pool. What are they going to do? They have to – first of all, their entire economic basis is on the First Amendment. You're challenging the First Amendment. No, I'm not. They're saying bad things about me, which are lies, and I've done great things. But they're entitled to say that. They're entitled to have that opinion. I can take a sip of this glass and not like the water. And if I don't like the water, you can't say to me, well, you're arrested.

30:33A spirit city tap, baby. That's the best water you'll get. By the way, it is delicious water. But you understand the point that I'm making with Donald Trump. See, I actually – part of me thinks that there's actually more to – that he's making a tactical decision when he does stuff like this. Because he realizes he has to look like he's exerting power. That's the only way to get his base to feel even remotely like, you know, good about voting in November. Yeah. Right. So he had. So he's going to do stuff from now until November that's going to distract from all of the problems that he has created.

31:04You see, I think the distraction from the fact that Ro Khanna and Thomas Massey have the 218 votes to get the remaining three million, three and a half million Epstein files made public. Right. He's got to distract from that. Right. He's got to distract from the$7, heading to$7 diesel. He has to distract from the fact that our bases have been blown smithereens in the Middle East. And so this is the last 48-hour news cycle. The gun has been on the bird of the reporter boycott. Exactly. And so that takes the gun off of all these other really bad things that are going on. But if you're telling me in your mind he knows that he effed up, he didn't.

31:44He doesn't know that because I can just tell by the way he's surrounded. I can tell by the way he talks about himself. And that wasn't the case when you were there, right? He had a little bit more. No, because you had seasoned guys around him. Let me tell you something. Somebody asked me such a great question in London. I was in London last week marketing the book. somebody said to me well why didn't we see trump one act like trump two and is trump worse now and i looked at them said no trump is exactly the same person he was trying to put the exact same things into place in trump one but he was blocked by normal republicans i mean gary cone famously took the do you remember when he came down with the you know from mount evil like orange Moses with the tablet, you know, and he's got that.

32:30Everyone's looking at the tablet of the terrorist. I'm not any of that. What it is. Deliberation Day. Yeah, the Liberation Day. Gary Cohn took that, put it in a paper shredder. Said, no, you're not doing that. Yeah. And the president has, you know, the attention span of a fruit fly. He moved on to something else. Right. These guys are like willing sycophants to do whatever the guy wants. There's just no guardrails. And it's imperiling the country. And a lot of things he's doing is acting against the self-interest of the country. But they're not acting against the self-interest of Putin. This is one of the greatest foreign policy successes in post-Tsarist Russian history is the election of Donald Trump.

33:08OK, you can stipulate he's not an agent of Putin. But let me tell you something. He does every single thing that Putin wants. And if you look down the checklist, he's executed. He would get an A plus. Yeah. Well, I think Putin just Putin just knows how to play him like a fiddle. Right. Or do you think there's more to it? I think there is. Again, that's my opinion. I think he's been compromised by Putin. There's no way another American president would have this behavior. So we have satellites that the Russians have moved into place. They're giving the coordinates to the Iranians and they're killing our soldiers.

33:41Right. No problem. They kill us. We kill them. What American president would say that? He's trying to destroy the Western alliance. That's something Vladimir Putin wants. He's threatening to attack a NATO nation. that's treated with us over Greenland. That's what Putin wants. You know, he's saying, suggesting he's going to withdraw 25 ,000 to 40 ,000 troops from Western Europe at a time when the bellicose of rhetoric from Putin is on the right. That's what Putin wants. So if you go down, he pulled himself out of the nuclear, intermediate nuclear pact. Okay, Putin wanted him to do that. He pulled out of it.

34:16That's what Putin wants. So I don't know. If you hear clippity-clop and the window's open, you hear clippity-clop. I hear a horse. I don't hear a zebra. You don't have to overthink this shit. Look, I get the point. Back to Iran. Why do you think he did it? Because I don't buy that he was just played by Netanyahu. I think that was maybe part of him. I think Netanyahu, based on the reporting that we have, clearly put on the hard sell and it worked. But there's more to it than that. And, like, is it just hubris? Did he just think, like, look, I got away with black bagging this guy in Venezuela. I can do the same thing in Iran.

34:50It's going to be all good. Whatever you think of President Trump, he has lived under a lucky star his whole life. Ain't that the truth? He's appointed prosecution. He's the luckiest man to ever live. And so he's figuring, I took out the Venezuelan leader. I took him and his wife, put him in a prison here in Brooklyn. And they've got the vice president of Venezuela is now ascended to the presidency. And she's popular enough with the media. And she's popular enough with the army. And she's kissing my you-know-what. and we're getting a big oil deal from her, that's objectively a win. If you're a real politic person, you can argue about going into the country and taking out a leader.

35:28But I'm just talking about a real politic thing. Okay, objectively, that's a win. Now you're fortified. And so when the Israelis are coming to tell you that you can decapitate the leadership— You can be the guy. Yeah. I'm going to be—hey, Carlo, you're going to be on the Red Sea. You're going to be signing a deal with the secular leader of Iran. Right. Great man of history. Yes. And that long coveted Nobel Peace Prize is going to be yours. Let's lock and load and bomb that you know what out of them. But remember, a CIA analyst would tell you, hey, without ground troops, you know, they've got hardened silos.

36:03They've got the stuff in mountain ranges. It's going to be very hard to dislodge the Taliban. These guys aren't living in caves. Not the Taliban. This is a sophisticated 5 ,000 year culture. Right. 90 million people. And oh, by the way, they have figured out the math on the American military. Shoot a$50 ,000 drone and you'll send up a million-dollar patriot, a$1.8 million THAAD, ha, ha, ha. And we're making those to quote Khrushchev like sausages. Yeah. Oh, my God. It's just – it's so depressing. What is the endgame with Iran? Do you think that this just follows the rest of the term? I don't think there's any endgame for President Trump.

36:40I think that this will be with him. The 48th president of the United States, whoever he or she is, will be trying to resolve that war. I suspect you're right about that. And it really is. It's just amazing because it's such – I mean I've never been a Trump supporter. But if I was, if I were, if I had ever voted for him, I would feel so personally betrayed by this. A lot of them do. And a lot of them do. Listen, I live out of – I live two miles from my mother. My cousins – I'm looking straight down the barrel. My cousins voted for Trump. They're all white, blue-collar guys and they all decided they're going to vote for Trump.

37:11And they're now sitting around saying maybe my cousin Anthony was right. You know, and by the way, a lot of people and that's why the approval ratings are going through 30 percent. No, you're right. It is breaking through the we always thought that his ceiling was sort of like not ceiling. His floor was like mid 30s. It'll never get lower than that. But now you're starting to see that happen. People are leaving. Do you buy any of the third term stuff? The theories that he's going to try and do like Ben is out there talking about doing that for attention. Right. You know, I was in Europe. They're all atheists now.

37:40You know what I told him in Europe? I said, you know why I believe in God? Why? I said, well, the reason I believe in God is that Steve Bannon is very smart. Steve Bannon is well-read. He's got a charismatic speaking style. But God made him so motherfucking ugly to save the civilization from him. So he's never run for president? Yeah, he's got a contemporary hobo, skin products by Blotch. You know, he looks like he's a stage alcoholic. I mean, this guy, I mean, I don't know who's – the fashion design is like early homeless. I mean, this guy is a freak and he was one of the worst people I met in my odyssey in life.

38:21Really? Oh, just a malevolent guy and would want to do great harm to the majority of the people even that live in this country. Got this sort of white supremacist dream about the country walling it off and anti-immigration and all this stupid un-American ideas. And to me, he's touting this Trump third term, but I think it's very unrealistic. Now, I will say this. If Trump was 50 and he was in good shape— He might try and try something. And his popularity was 55 percent versus negative. Right. And now in the low 30s or at the punch through 30, those numbers, he's not going to make it. No. I mean do you think—is there—I'm not saying like God forbid something happens to him, but do you think he even makes it to the end of this term?

39:04Yeah, of course. Only the good die young. He's been with us a long time. I've always said, Trump will live to be 110 years old. He's not going anywhere. He'll be eating french fries at McDonald's the whole way. No, that's always true. And just for the record, I'm not hoping for his death. Me either, but if you were like that, we'd be on the ground here. We'd be on this floor. It's like the people you know who smoke cigarettes and live to be 100 and never have cancer. Some people just have that ability. Trump is a beast. He doesn't have dementia. He has great energy and physicality for an 80-year-old.

39:41And he's starting to get a little crinkly. He's starting to wobble a little bit when he walks. But he is a beast. And if you want to underestimate him, go ahead. And there's a lot of liberals that get mad at me for saying things about his political instincts and some of his skill set. But you better analyze him objectively if you want to beat him in his movement. So the end of the book lays out this idea, which is something that we've talked about here on the show with my friend Dylan Radigan, who you know from when he was a CNBC guy. But it's this idea of the great party duopoly, right, that this is sort of – it's a uniparty at this point, right?

40:15The GOP is sort of beyond saving, at least in its current form. The Democrats are – they totally need a rebirth. I think everybody would agree. They're completely dysfunctional. Right. They're totally dysfunctional at best. We always assume this sort of like the political status quo is just what it is. But parties, parties die, right? Parties get reborn, right? The way, I mean, I wasn't around for them, but the Whigs were a party. They're not around anymore. You weren't around for them, but Chuck Grassley was. I mean, he was like George Washington's great grandfather. He would never leave the Senate.

40:44Another guy who's going to live to be 110. Yeah, these people ain't leaving. No. They're going to turn that into an elder care facility before it's over. And it's just a disgusting thing. But it's also a statement about power. Once you get it, you don't want to give it up. And so I would say to you that generally, OK, generally, I feel that we can make the changes if we understand what happened. And so what happened to create that cartel or what Dylan Rattigan is describing? Yeah. Rossboro enters the race 34 years ago, scares the daylights out of both parties. They lock down on procedures. They lock down on operations.

41:25They enhance each other's ability to gerrymander districts so they can solidify their power. Right. And they basically completely block the opportunity of a third party. Donald Trump tries to run in 2000 on the reform party. Can't do it. Bobby Kennedy Jr. 2024 third party cannot do it. And so now all of a sudden this has become the demo publicans, the republocrats. It's become a political elite that acts like a duopoly cartel. It does. And we got to break it because if you don't break it, you're not going to get the results. American people aren't happy. Go look at the polls. Is America going in the right direction?

42:0670 % of the respondents say no. Yeah. Okay. But, you know, and look at the registrations. The registrations are down for both parties and the highest vote. Independence. Yeah. Is it right? There you go. It's funny that you say that about Ross Perot because like when you – He scared the daylights out of them. And he was marketed as a weirdo freak from like another planet. Jughead ears. Yeah. Alfred E. Newman. Right. And then you go back and you listen to some of the stuff he's talking about and you're like, I don't know. He seemed like he was kind of ahead of his time. He saw things and he was like the other side of the coin of Ralph Nader on some of those things.

42:40And they didn't listen to him. Right. I want to ask you a little bit about the podcast that you do with Caddy Kay. This thing is a monster on the podcast charts. 11 million plays a month. One of the biggest shows, political shows in all of Europe. I don't know. You've become sort of like a European. You're like the Trump decoder ring for the Europeans. It could be the Jerry Lewis of Europe. The Jerry Lewis of Europe. But I mean, I think the Europeans respect is I don't take myself that seriously. I have hopefully a style about me where Europeans think I'm relatable. Well, you're a Republican who can speak to the left.

43:15Yeah, but I'm also there's left-leaning things in my personality. I want equal opportunity for the kids. I want the poor kids to have health care. I want the kids to be fed in the high school and in the elementary school. 40 % of the kids that are going to a public school K-12 tell people they're hungry. We're a rich enough country to solve for that. If that makes me left-leaning, Yeah. So be it. I want the I. Hey, you're going to starve the kid. He's going to develop ADHD. He's not going to be able to focus in school. It's a negative flywheel. Sure. You want the kid to end up in prison? Why don't you feed the kid?

43:50Yeah. And so we can learn how to read and write so you can go on and raise a family. You know, what are we doing? We're a rich enough society, you know? Well, I totally agree with that. I am. I am a relatable Republican that way. I've stayed in the Republican Party because I'd like to try to help reform it because I think it's gone off the rails. But we'll see. But I'm just saying to people, here's what happened. You want to fix it. Diagnose what happened. Let's try to fix it without the partisan rancor. What are the – your listeners from overseas – not just Europe, by the way. You're huge in Australia.

44:25Yep. Right? Yep. Go figure. Canada. Canada. What are they saying when you hear from them? Like are they just like what the hell is going on down there? They're heartbroken. Yeah. I think they're saying they're heartbroken. That's the impression I get. I think generally the Australians have a love affair with America. America has a love affair with the Australians. They have a hate affair with Donald Trump. Yeah. And they're like, what the hell happened to you guys? And are you going to recover from the stupidity? You've shot yourself in the foot twice with two Donald Trump terms, and it's set the country back, and it's hurt your brand.

44:55Are you okay? Are you okay? In the meantime, the Trump is saying, oh, this is the hottest country ever. Who's talking to him? Nobody's saying that, man. No one. Well, there was one reporter. I don't know if you remember Jake from the Punchbowl. Yeah, Sherman. He said, I'm the greatest. And many people say I'm the greatest president ever. And he's like, no, no, many people are not saying that. Remember the look on Trump's face? Yeah. He's bursting his bubble. Back to your point about he is really in his own bubble, right? He doesn't get – He's feeding himself. Is anyone in there showing him these polls?

45:28Nobody. You know, he knows the polls. Yeah. He thinks the polls are ready. fake news. I want to do a little rapid fire on the midterms before I let you go. Do you think there will be an administrative culling after the election? Do you think anyone's head is going to roll? Who do you think goes first? I think Hegseth. Hegseth's got to go. I think he's going to get fired. He's the worst cabinet official we have, right? I think so. Do you think it's going to be a blue wave, blue tsunami, polling error? What are we thinking? I think it's going to be a blue wave in the House and I think they could get lucky and win the Senate, but it feels like Trump is finally pumping the money into the Senate.

46:08That's what I worry about. And I was surprised that he put this much money in the Senate. I thought he was going to keep it for himself. I thought so too. He would have, but he doesn't want the Senate investigations on top of the House for investigations. So that's why he's pumping the money. Oh, by the way, I'll predict you're on your show. He loses the House. He loses the Senate. If that happens, I predict he's going to lose the House. Yeah. It's a toss up in the Senate. But let's say he loses both. He'll immediately start parting his family members and he'll pardon himself. Yeah. Well, I mean, he's going to want to block all the potential investigations coming out of both houses.

46:39Absolutely. And he'll just and he'll say and he'll have a point. Hey, Biden did it. Right. Well, that's that they do it to each other. What about is right? Exactly. Who do you got in the New York gubernatorial? I'm curious. Is Blake been your guy? Yes. He's a Long Island guy. I've given I've given Bruce money. I like Bruce. I think he's behind in the polls because he is so far up Trump's ass that you can barely see his ankles dangling from Trump's ass. And you can't do that because Trump is hated in this city and hated in most parts of the state. And Hochul is vulnerable, but Blakeman screwed up by going too far down the Trump hole.

47:19Remember, Trump got a guy by the name of Mark Carney elected. Did you know that? Yeah. Trump got Albanese, the prime minister. You know Carney, right? He's one of my close friends, yeah. Carney and I know each other. We worked at Goldman Sachs together. Smart guy. Love Carney. And I think he might be one of the most popular heads of state in the Western world right now. He's got like a 70 % approval. He's telling you, giving you a message. You've got to stick up for yourself and your people. Yeah. Don't be an obsequious guy like Mark Rutter. Right. Trump doesn't even like it. Trump takes like screenshots of Mark Rutter's tweets or his iMessages, I should say, and puts them on Twitter.

47:53That's the thing that a lot of these guys never really understood. Somebody like Trump, he doesn't like it when you're an obsequit. He likes the Yorkers. He likes the guys who bust his balls. Right. They never understood that. This guy's got some self-respect. He's not taking my BS. Exactly. Although he doesn't seem to like Carney at all. Well, but he talks to Carney all the time. He does. Because he talks to Newsom all the time. Look, he's a keyboard warrior. He has a hard time with a conflict like this. Right. Yeah. That's what you've always said. Yeah. He's really in person. Keyboard warrior.

48:23He's calling Gavin bad names. Oh, Gavin. You and I are good, right, Gavin? OK, a couple more. Who do you think gets the press secretary after the midterms? You think that guy Jannings from CNN? No, I think he's too big of a showboat. They won't do it. It'll have to be another woman if it happens, but I predict it won't happen. I predict that he's going. I think he likes the rotating secretary. And I think he's discovered if he doesn't have a press secretary, the more airtime he gets, the better. Right. However, he's going to have to restore the credentials for those three. Otherwise, he's done.

48:56Yeah. Have you saw my Newsmax yesterday? They were cutting a ribbon for the band. There's no audio. Yeah. I mean, let me tell you something. Trump likes to hear. Yeah. That's why I think this will the media thing will resolve itself because he can't. He feeds off us. We feed off him. It's like the world's worst parasitic relationship. A hundred percent. Right. You know the concept of like of ego death where like you basically like subjective loss of self-identity you get either from meditating or taking acid. Yeah. Or you could – in that process, you could create the dark night of the soul if you heard that.

49:28Yeah, exactly. Do you think Trump is capable of ego death? No. It's not, right? No. No. He's not capable of ego death and he's also not capable of empathy or humility or compassion. Right. It would be nice if we had a president who was capable of some of those things. Well, I think you got to find – I think he's taught us something. You got to find somebody that really likes people, wants to serve the people as opposed to agronizing themselves and put themselves and their family in a position of personal wealth and power. I don't think that's working for the American people. No, and I think people are really – I think he really overshot the runway on the personal corruption and self-dealing.

50:05I think he didn't – I don't think he – I think he underestimated how regular people – how that was going to turn off regular people, right? I agree. Even some of his own voters. I'm here now and look at the poll numbers. The poll numbers are telling you that. Yeah. All right. Anthony Scaramucci, let's leave it there. I could talk to you for like a few hours on this, but you're a busy man. I love you. Thank you for helping me with the book. The book is called All the Wrong Moves. It's out now. It's a great book. Your 10th book. Is that true? Yeah. Remember, I've written a lot of trade books. Right.

50:32I wrote a book when I was in Wall Street, too. It was a little personal memoir. It was a fun book called Goodbye, Gordon Gekko. The subtitle was How to Win Your Fortune Without Losing Your Soul. I just read Ari Emanuel's book okay Roll Calls where this guy you know he's like killing and rageful and he's calling himself not a Hollywood agent but a Hollywood ragent I mean he's out of his mind but I mean that's the opposite of me you know I wrote a book about that amazing you're a prolific author I like writing I like explaining things or at least from my point of view I really enjoyed reading it Anthony Scaramucci everybody check the book out check out his podcast The Rest is Politics U.S.

51:12with Caddy K. It's great, especially if you're overseas and you're trying to understand what the heck is going on over here. The Mooch will tell you. It's going to be okay. It's going to be okay. Many people say it's going to be okay. And I didn't wear socks today because last time you knocked me from my socks. So I went loafers. I remember those socks. I remember they were very waspy, those socks. Yeah, that's what you said. They weren't true to your Italian heritage. So I got rid of them. Yeah. All right. Anthony Scaramucci, everybody. It's still waspy, by the way, but I didn't want to teach you because, you know.

51:38There's nothing wrong with being a waspy. You know, he's got hairy ankles, though, ladies and gentlemen. It's not that bad. I'm blonde. Come on. Thanks, Anthony.