In short
Lewis Black rants about what Trump-era actions and broader U.S. politics/media culture are doing to the country, mixing in sports and entertainment examples (Knicks championship, UFC on the White House lawn, gambling/prediction markets, slow courts, and corruption/war claims).
Guest background
Lewis Black is a comedian, actor, and writer known for The Daily Show back when it began (since the first week before an audience) and for his “Rantcast”/“back in black” segments. He recently retired from touring (not illness-related, but “sick and tired of the bullshit”) and continues performing via podcasts and casino dates.
Key claims
Congress can and should “sit down and talk” instead of shutdown threats; both parties enable dysfunction. Trump uses distraction and “flood the zone” tactics (e.g., Greenland/Venezuela talk) while institutions fail (slow legal system). Trump’s Iran war “deals” are performative and prove incompetence. Prediction markets and legalized sports betting are corrupting sports and normalizing gambling on everything.
Notable examples
UFC event at the White House; Knicks’ comeback/lead blown by opponents; Trump pardons Jan. 6 attackers then seeks taxpayer-funded payouts (anti-weaponization fund); SpaceX going public and Musk’s “trillionaire” status; betting lines shown during NBA/NFL broadcasts; “prediction” jokes about Jesus/Epstein.
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VODiscussing the Knicks' Impact
0:45 to 4:25
Lewis Black shares his mixed feelings about the Knicks' winning streak and its effect on New York.
“Lewis recently retired from touring, but as Esquire put it in an interview they did with him, It's not because he's sick.”
Cranky Observations on Society
4:25 to 7:29
Lewis and Carlo vent about societal issues, politics, and daily frustrations.
“And it just makes you realize that like most of us aren't divided the way that our idiots in power make us feel, right?”
Reflections on Trump's Presidency
7:29 to 12:37
Lewis discusses his grievances with Trump's behavior and the political climate.
“Anyway, that is a long way of saying, what are you most pissed off about in America right now?”
Lewis's Shift from Touring
12:37 to 14:00
Lewis talks about stepping back from touring and his future plans.
“But before we get into sort of that and some more news of the day, again, you said that you're stepping back from touring.”
Reflecting on Touring and Audience Engagement
14:00 to 16:19
Lewis Black discusses his transition from touring to podcasting and its challenges.
“Then we'll stop and then we'll go back on the road again.”
Media Manipulation and Public Distraction
16:20 to 18:05
Exploration of how overwhelming news affects public engagement and discourse.
“But at any point that you think, boy, I'd like him to win because we'll get Greenland.”
The Evolution of Podcasting and Comedy
18:06 to 20:53
Black shares insights on the differences between stand-up and podcasting experiences.
“I did way early before anybody else I interviewed, probably 25, 30 comics for Comedy Central.”
The Influence of The Daily Show
20:54 to 23:05
Discussion on the impact of The Daily Show on Black's career and comedy.
“What's revolutionary is that, wow, we're going to do this because this is how stupid we are.”
Life with a New Dog: Misanthropic Insights
23:06 to 26:24
Lewis Black humorously reflects on his relationship with his dog and its implications.
“This dog was really smart, the first dog I had.”
Political Landscape for 2028: Candidates and Opinions
26:25 to 28:00
Black provides his thoughts on potential Democratic candidates for the next election.
“It does tee me up with the question I wanted to ask you, which is let's talk a little bit about 28.”
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Trump's Business Reputation
28:00 to 30:00
Discussing Trump's controversial business practices and public perception.
“and uh and and to have that much money and and it's kind of like looking at if trump had an inverse mirror it's right that's yeah that's sort of what scares me a little bit about him um But yeah, that doesn't bother me.”
New Yorkers on Trump
30:00 to 32:40
Exploring the views of New Yorkers about Trump and his presidency.
“You're like, you're just you people are being hoodwinked.”
Military and Foreign Policy
32:40 to 33:30
Analyzing Trump's military decisions and their implications.
“And to come across as a as a as this avatar for the everyman was like, are you kidding me?”
Critique of Trump's Administration
33:30 to 36:20
Critiquing Trump's approach to foreign affairs and military strategy.
“This is the fifth time we've had a deal.”
Reflections on American Pride
36:20 to 38:20
Reflecting on American pride and historical parallels to the present.
“I mean, it's kind of like what we're here.”
The SpaceX Controversy
38:20 to 42:00
Debating Elon Musk's impact and wealth in the context of SpaceX.
“But coming out of Vietnam, you know, Watergate had just happened.”
The Value of a Trillion Dollars
42:00 to 44:00
Explore the concept of wealth and its implications in society.
“We couldn't come up with it for ourselves.”
Space Exploration and Technological Delays
44:00 to 46:00
Discuss frustrations regarding the timing and execution of space exploration projects.
“And it's tons of stuff that we had back then.”
Trump's Controversial Fund and its Implications
46:00 to 48:20
Analyze Trump's lawsuit against the IRS and its implications for taxpayer money.
“And it's just sort of like, yeah, well, what happened?”
The Aftermath of January 6th
48:20 to 50:20
Reflect on the impact of January 6th and the political responses that followed.
“That's I always remember seeing those guys out there and it was like kind of depressing.”
The Rise of Betting Markets and Their Impact
50:20 to 52:04
Examine the rise of betting markets and the influence they have on various sectors.
“In the same way that the Democrats had people that they liked.”
Political Discourse and Double Standards
52:16 to 56:07
Discuss the differences in political discourse and how perceptions change over time.
“It was the guy who won, one of the guys who won afterwards said that in his speech that Michelle Obama was a— Oh, the UFC fight you're talking about.”
Respect in Journalism and Communication
56:07 to 57:36
Explore the importance of respect in political discourse and journalism.
“And all she had to say, and I don't know, this is where I'm kind of over the top with about the response.”
The Challenge of Humor in Dark Topics
57:36 to 58:42
Discover the difficulties comedians face when addressing sensitive subjects like abortion.
“You know, I mean, when I was a kid and before I was really doing stand up for fun, I said that the only I can't even do it now.”
Celebrity Autobiography: A Unique Comedy Show
58:42 to 1:01:22
Learn about the concept and execution of the Celebrity Autobiography show.
“And I said, I can now hear every anus in the room snapshot.”
Aging, Longevity, and Future Rants
1:01:22 to 1:02:22
Discuss the challenges of aging and the future of societal views on the elderly.
“My last question to you just before we wrap up is, you know, going back to the rant cast, which is another great podcast.”
Transcript
Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Hello once again from Newsweek headquarters at the top of the World Trade Center in New York City. Home of the world champion New York Knickerbockers. A line I never thought that I would actually say. It sounds pretty good. This country was stone cold dead. Welcome back to the 1600. I am Carlo Versano. If you're watching us on YouTube, you can see that I have not shaved the mustache, even though the Knicks have won. I'm going to keep it. I'm just going to keep it going. I mean, whatever, right? Things are going well-ish, in some ways at least. So the stash stays for now. But I want to get to my guest today.
0:31I'm really excited to speak to this guy. He's one of my comedic idols, a man who I've been watching on The Daily Show since I was in high school. The great comedian, actor, and writer, Lewis Black, with us today. Lewis? That's very nice. Thanks. Good to have you here. Lewis recently retired from touring, but as Esquire put it in an interview they did with him, It's not because he's sick. He's just sick and tired of the bullshit, which I like that line and I can appreciate it. But of course, you can still find him on the Louis Black Rantcast on your podcast feed. His back in black segments on The Daily Show still going strong after all these years.
1:09And his most recent special from a couple of years back is called Tragically I Need You. That's available now on YouTube. Louis, before we get to the many things that are worthy of your anger and mine, I'd like to start with one unalloyed good and something I think that even you will be hard pressed to find a problem with. And I'm talking about the Knicks and this incredible title run that they've brought to this city of ours. No, it was great. And it was great for you and a lot of people who live here. And it was really good. And but as I said this weekend when I was performing in Atlantic City, I didn't move to New York for, you know, I didn't move here to go.
1:49Boy, I hope everybody's happy today. okay i'm not here we're not good new yorkers are not good with this being happy no it isn't and it was like all of a sudden there are like hundreds of people on my corner which became one of the one of the watch party places yeah and uh and they're all you know and there's nobody is out there otherwise there's maybe three people on that corner when i walked my dog three four maybe five and now it's packed and they're all just exuberant and thrilled and happy and it's great i mean and I'm happy for them. And it's nice to see that. But it really isn't. I moved to New York because it was one of the really epicenters of bitterness.
2:30Yes. And this really turned things around. It was great. I'd have felt better. This will piss people off, but it's true. When I know that the opposing coach is an idiot. But during, I mean, he, they, that game was won by the Knicks. Yeah. And certainly legitimately they, they came through their division. Yeah. But son of a, they had the lead. Oh, this first made a lot of mistakes. I mean, look, it's just, you know, it's, if I, if I'm watching, because normally if I watch something the next day or listen to Barkley and those guys, you know, I'm never, I go, you know, it's something I'm learning something.
3:11But this was like, how do you – you're coming down the court. You're going to spend five seconds and shoot another three-pointer. You actually believe you're going to shoot at 60%, 65 % the whole game? What planet are you on? Did you all take drugs at halftime? They're young. I guess they're young and inexperienced. Yeah, but that's why you have a f***ing coach. I mean, it made no sense. It's true. No, and the Knicks capitalized on a lot of that. Well, you wear them down. You just go in and take a two-pointer. Even if you don't get it, you've worn them down. That's the deal. Make the game a little more interesting.
3:46You know, you don't lose a 29-point lead. And don't say that was, boy, the biggest comeback. Maybe in basketball the biggest comeback. But when Atlanta blew it to the Patriots, kiss my ass. That was a bigger upset. That's huge. Yeah, in the Super Bowl a few years ago, of course. Well, I think, you know, it was so cool to see the city come together like that. I was just writing in the newsletter today. It was like it almost feels like a rebuke to Trumpism. I'm not just trying to do the classic journalist thing of trying to put two things that are completely not together into something. But it just – there was something about it.
4:22There was like this sense of like just collective civic engagement. And it just makes you realize that like most of us aren't divided the way that our idiots in power make us feel, right? Not at all, especially when it comes to sports. And that was, I mean, it was great to see. You know, I mean, I'm not an idiot. Of course. I was coming on here because I brought you on because I wanted you to talk s*** about the Knicks and New York on this day after the championship. I'm not a pig, but, you know, it's also, you know, it's like the other thing, too, is, you know, you kind of, we go through it and then we won and we're going to be really good and they're going to come down and they're going to do that big Valley of Heroes thing.
5:06And then the next day, it's gone. It's going to be, what are you doing here? Why are you bugging? Why are you bugging? People screaming at each other again. And it would be great to see if we could come together to lower rent. Yeah, right. To do something actually. But it is, like, great to see. I just have never seen the city like this. Yeah, no, it's something. All right, well, it's not an NBA podcast. I sort of feel like I wish it was today. But let me point out, too, that I, for all the weeping of watching, you know, we've never had a, just been 50 years and I never thought, I watched my team, first off is the Wizards, who were the Bullets, then they changed their name to that idiotic.
5:53Terrible name. One of the worst in all sports. Well, it's got nothing to do with, they're no Wizards, okay? This is not a Harry Potter league. This is ridiculous. Did they change the Bullets name because there was something kind of weird about having the team from Washington named after, like, a bullet? Yeah, that was kind of odd. Well, it was the Baltimore Bullets. Oh, they were. Oh, I see. Okay. But I didn't ever, and it's like with, I never went, oh, boy, that's a bullet. Right. It was like, it's as fast as a bullet, you idiots. Right, right, right. Okay. I didn't realize it was Baltimore. We won, I think, almost one or two years before the last time we won.
6:31And then for the last 10 years, my team, well, you at least tried. And that I admire. And I loved watching these guys play. And, you know, but I'm supposed to be happy when my team spent the last five years flushing itself down the toilet. Yeah. Just going, oh, we're going to be we're going to be. No, we can be. And that we can be. Yeah. Yeah, and then we're going to pick up somebody in this draft, and it's all going to come together. Good luck with that. I didn't realize you're a Baltimore sports fan at heart. Baltimore and Washington. Okay, that must be tough. All right, Louis, you're one of our great cranks, which I say with deep respect as an aspiring crank, a junior-level crank, to your senior crankdom.
7:17I keep a mental list in my head of things that piss me off on a day-to-day basis, as any good crank does, from whatever Trump is doing to the more cotidian things, like, I paid$7 for an iced coffee yesterday. $7 for an iced coffee in Brooklyn. Just a regular place. $7 for an iced coffee. It was spectacular. It wasn't even that good. Anyway, that is a long way of saying, what are you most pissed off about in America right now? Nobody whines more and has more. We have more than any other country on earth. Yeah. And nobody whines more than we do. It's the moment. We've got everything, you idiots.
8:00All it would take is 10 minutes to figure it out. The other thing is that these guys in Congress can't sit down and talk. F*** you. They can sit down and talk. This is not difficult. All right? The things you've got to do. It's like, you know, we're not going to figure out how to do a budget. No, that's your job. Right. You can't say we're going to shut down the government. You don't get to do that. There's just stuff that goes on. And you continue to get paid, too. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's the other. Get paid and still have. We're not going to worry about your health insurance while we still have the best health insurance of anyone in the country.
8:34It's one thing after another after another that has nothing to do with any reality system that is anyone with common sense. And that none of them, both sides, I said, you know, you got the Republicans doing what they do. And then the Democrats, there's no opposition because the Democrats is I got. You got Chuck Schumer, who basically I would rather watch him in response to like the insanity that the Republicans are up to. I would rather watch him instead of speaking, just watch him eat cereal. And same with Hakeem. Just have him eat cereal because you have to have people, you know, and I'm not a Democrat or Republican.
9:17I go back and forth in terms of conservative and liberal and stuff like that. But, you know, most people, by the way, are like that. Right. They have conservative views on the middle. Right. And that's the way it operates. And now we've got this division and there's and most of us are still in the middle. Right. It's, you know, and that they'll elect, you know, they elect people like Marjorie Taylor Greene. I mean, you just kind of go who who walked in to vote for these people. Right. Who walked in? She's now like basically a liberal savior. Now she's like getting profiles in The New York Times now because she's now gone against Trump.
9:50Right. So it really. And because she. And also because she at least got on the right side of the Epstein thing. That pushed her out of the – Yeah. Pretty smart actually. I mean I never really thought much of her, but she at least knew which way the wind was blowing on that, right? So we're recording this on Monday, whatever the date today is. But last night was President Trump's 80th birthday. Yesterday was President Trump's 80th birthday. He had this big UFC fight on the White House. Did you catch any of this? I didn't know where you'd find it to watch it, okay? And I didn't watch it because I was too busy, you know, I just, I was too busy flossing, okay?
10:34Right. It was like, and also, it's, you know, are you kidding me? That you, I get it if you go to a football game. I get it if you go to a basketball game. You don't get to bring it to the, you just don't, it's not. But it's not here's the it's not your house. Right. And it's got to stop. It's not yours to do with what you please. The other thing now that you just reminded me of what really drives me nuts is that I didn't realize how slow her legal system is. It is literally like I've never seen it. I just had no idea. I thought if somebody kind of, you know, stepped over the line, such as putting your name up on the Kennedy.
11:18Right. That's six months to get the courts to step in. Really? You don't. The next day. No. Yeah. No. Sorry. Here's why. Not tough. We all know the rule the next day. That's why they're rules. Right. No. Yeah. You just can't do that. You can't just put your name on a building that's not yours to put your name on. Yeah. No. The whole thing is ridiculous. The the UFC. I'm making the point to somebody that like I don't have a problem with American kitsch. Right. And like if honestly, if he was going to do some sort of dirt bike monster truck rally in D.C. for the 250th anniversary, like, OK, lean into it.
11:54That's fine. UFC is just tacky. It's just like these guys, these brain damaged wife beaters basically like beating the hell out of each other. And then to put that on the front lawn, I don't know. With advertising, with advertising, with advertising. Right. Brought to you by Bud Light and Polly Marcus. Yeah. I mean, you just don't know. You don't get to do that. You don't allow the people. They want to do it. You don't allow them to advertise. Well, we're paying for it. Well, you look at the advertising you got. Are you kidding me? Of course. You didn't pay enough for it. Right. Well, and then, yeah, now they're selling coins that the kids, the sons will benefit from.
12:31Put a pin in this because I want to ask you more about this sort of just blatant corruption of the Trump era. But before we get into sort of that and some more news of the day, again, you said that you're stepping back from touring. You're not retiring. No, I mean, I never I was going on the road and with what was happening in terms of, you know, with what COVID did to the schedule where like all of a sudden I'm doing it and then I got to stop. And then I was a little sick, had some, you know, nothing life threatening, but I had an illness here and there. And you got it starting the tour and then I got to stop.
13:07So getting all of that done became, you know, it was kind of. Touring must be exhausting. I can only imagine. I like touring. I had never had a trouble because I had a tour bus and, you know, I didn't own it. I leased it and it was great. And, you know, you can't beat that. I mean, I was leaving on a Wednesday to do Thursday, Friday, Saturday, maybe Sunday, then fly back Monday morning and boom. And then home three days and then off again. And it was really, it was great. But it was just, there were other things I wanted to do. And I so I knew I wasn't going to mount these because I was doing they all had titles.
13:47Every tour, I did have a title. They every one of them led to a special. The there still is a special somewhere. And I know it because there's a ton of stuff that I've left on the table because it was like I'd go back on the road. Then we'll stop and then we'll go back on the road again. And then we had to stop. So that final kind of touring thing never got to where I wanted to get in terms of a special. And also because I'm like going, well, this really is it. Right. But a guy like you, even if you were going to, how do you even retire? There's not going to be a lack of stuff to be pissed off about one day.
14:24Right. And so I kept the Randcast going, which would come back in a different form, actually, where I'll just kind of do more performances of it rather than sit in my apartment like you're sitting here. Only I talk to myself, and that's got to stop. So I want to kind of bring it back into the public more. And I'm still doing, you know, what was funny is I said, okay, I'm not going to tour. Then all of a sudden, the casinos went, no, we want you. And I've been doing casinos. And I like casinos because it's kind of the Johnny Carson audience. They come from all over. It's a mix of all, of everybody, really.
15:09And then they just take a whole bunch of tickets and throw them at people. And for some reason, because I've been doing this so long, I've got an adult audience that goes into the casino and buys stuff. And kind of, you know, people don't go nuts. And they're kind of a good audience. Not a lot of hecklers in the casino audience. Every so often, but it's not, you know, but then it's what are you going to do? They gave the guy a ticket and it was like, son of a bitch, I didn't want to see him. So you get that, you kind of get that. But it's good because it's been fun and it keeps me out on the road.
15:49And I have an audience that, for better or for worse, allows me to kind of talk about whatever I want to talk about. And so I wanted to kind of keep talking but not do all the work. And so now I just kind of have a chunk of it that I'm doing that will end up being in whatever the special is. And then stuff where I just kind of, you know, it's like Greenland. Because that stuff is, you've got to keep telling people. Right. We are. You know, if you voted for him, I get it. You voted for him. I get it. OK, you didn't you didn't want her. I get it. But at any point that you think, boy, I'd like him to win because we'll get Greenland.
16:31I mean, yes. Yeah. You don't know about the the the block, the Greenland voting block that went all in because they thought that we're going to make it the 51st state. But you just but it's just to continue to throw the card down. Did you did you, you know, you know what we should do now is let's stop as an audience. And we really ought to discuss what I'd like to hear is what are you going to be doing with your Venezuelan, you know, oil money. Right. Well, I mean, it's a good point because this and we've talked about this on the show many times. Like this, this is the Steve Bannon throw against the wall and just just flood the zone with bull.
17:05Right. Because that is that puts people like us in the media, you know, talking sphere on our heels because it's just too much. You can't possibly keep track of it all. And then people, regular people just lose. They're like, Greenland, what are we doing? Venezuela, what are we talking about? I'm just going to I'm not paying attention. I'm going to go watch basketball. Yeah. Right. Which is what they want. Right. Because then that gives them the runway to to do more of what they're doing. Yeah. And then you got a court system that doesn't move. Right. Exactly. Oh, exactly. Right. That's part of the point, too.
17:34Back to one question about because, you know, you're doing this podcast. You're stand up by trade. Right. There's got to be a big difference there. Right. Because like stand up, you've got an audience to riff off of. You got you could go back and forth with that energy podcasting. One of the things that I found trouble because I'm not a podcaster by nature. I'm just a writer that they threw in front of a microphone here. You don't have any anyone to anyone anything to gauge off of. Right. So sometimes it just feels like you're talking into the ether. You ever had that problem? Oh, no, from the time I started doing it.
18:05Yeah. The only reason I really started doing it is, A, I didn't really, I did way early before anybody else I interviewed, probably 25, 30 comics for Comedy Central. And I could do it on, they had their website and stuff, and I came on, and then for some reason they, oh, we can't do that anymore. Okay, so. But I was doing it, and I liked doing it, but nobody else was. And then it was like, I was like, I'm going to interview. It made no sense, but I did know, and this was during the pandemic, the one way I could kind of, I didn't like doing Zoom comedy. That was madness. Like Zoom therapy. No way.
18:50No thank you. So I thought that the best thing was for me to really, I knew how to read a rant. and I knew that I could maintain a sense of my comedy by reading rants. Yeah. That I knew it was a way to be in touch with that and without having to worry about an audience. That's why I do it because it's, you know, but what I really, what drives me nuts is at the beginning I do, I talk about what's been going on. Yeah. And that's when I feel like I'm a lunatic. Yeah. What I like about the show is that you have people send their ransom. So it feels much more of a dynamic, even though it's recorded.
19:35Yeah, and it's great that it's just people. And it's also the one thing that has always enraged me, both the Democrats and the Republicans. I met a guy. I knew this woman. I ran into somebody, somebody in my district. Shut up. Bring the person on. Let them talk. So to me, it was always a matter of getting right, allowing the people to explain it. So some must have and I didn't even I've never done all of them. But as soon as I generally get something from somebody who's in the military, who is dealing with the B.A. or somebody who's dealing with health insurance problems or somebody who's dealing with something that is like a job.
20:17Like just recently the most – it was the first rant I had and it's about somebody losing their job because of AI. Yeah. You know, so it's much more interesting to me to have the person actually write it out. And what was – so it's been – that's kind of kept me in touch. And then I used to – if I'm in front of an audience, occasionally I comment more. But I found that I started commenting less and less and just let the people talk because they're – People have stuff to get off their chest. What do you make of the AI stuff just out of curiosity? Do you use it at all in your work? No, I don't. Do you buy that it's this revolutionary technology?
20:57What's revolutionary is that, wow, we're going to do this because this is how stupid we are. We're going to create an intelligence that is smarter than us. That's how dumb we are. Well said. Something else. I was talking about this off camera. I didn't realize this. You are the longest-serving contributor to The Daily Show. You've been on that show in some form or another since Craig Kilbourne. Yeah, from the very beginning, from the first week before we had an audience. What is that? I mean, for a lot of liberals in this country, I'm thinking myself, my parents, a lot of people I grew up with, The Daily Show is an institution unlike no other.
21:36What does the institution mean to you, like that show? Well, to me, to be on a mercenary level, it was an advertisement. Sure, right. So I'm doing – I'm at that point kind of being seen on Comedy Central as a – my first specials were on that little half-hour things. And so I had that. And then in between Dave Attell and I – Dave is a great comic. And he and I – he had a show called Insomniac. I remember that, yeah. And I was about two to three years into doing The Daily. And we got picked as kind of the faces of Comedy Central for just a bit of time, enough time that it really was the ad. And it got us out on the road and we performed together with really the late, great Mitch Hedberg.
22:30And that was – we toured together and that kind of sent my career as a comic. That and the fact that George Carlin started talking about me, that all helped to kind of push it out there. I didn't realize. So, Carlin, would he mention you in his sets? No, he would basically, when he was doing it like radio or TV or something, I'd hear that he said they would ask who does he like. And I was somebody who liked and there were others, you know. The other thing I wanted to ask you about that I was reading about and you just mentioned is you have a dog, relatively new dog named Sammy. I ask you about this only because as a, you know, as a great misanthrope, how do you deal with having a, you know, a dog is just pure man's best friend.
23:13pure joy, pure... No, they're not. He's a prick. He's smarter than I am. You know, he's really... He's got... I saw... I had a dog before and I really... This dog was really smart, the first dog I had. And so I've always had that dog. I mean, this dog literally... I mean, I wrote about him in this in a book that I wrote because just a portion of it because he would... I was on campus. He would... I'd go in, have lunch. He would see somebody I knew and then tag along with them and go along with them. And then he would meet me if he didn't come back to where we were because nobody brought him back.
23:56They'd go off and then he would come back to where I was. And then if he didn't come back there, there were three places I would go and he'd be there. It was like crazy. And he never had a leash for him. Wow. I didn't need it. It was bizarre. I mean, he was like, so I thought, oh, I'm going to get another dog. And he's kind of, you know, and he's, and I saw a picture of him. It was, they were auctioning these dogs. And I'd been looking around and I went, that's the dog. And it's a sheepdog and a poodle mix, which is, and the poodle is way too smart. I had poodles growing up. They are really smart.
24:31They are way smart. And they're, they're almost like, I think when they talk about, you know, people coming back, you know, the afterlife. And then they come back. They come back as boodles because this dog is some – this dog seems to be pissed that he is not a human being. And he's stuck with you in New York City. Is he a big dog? No, he's about 30 pounds. He's like a size – a little bigger than a Cocker Spaniel. Because sometimes I – I was talking about things that annoy me. Sometimes you walk around New York City and you see people with these huge, huge dogs. And you want to say to yourself, like, unless you are living in some palace that I'm not aware of exists here, it feels like that's just torture for these animals.
25:13Put them in this, like, near shitty little walk-up 500-square-foot studio. It makes no sense. I don't know how they do it because I'm lucky enough that one of the things I got a break on was, you know, I waited so long to get a place. I never thought I'd get one, but there was one with a terrace. Oh, okay. And so he's got, like, this terrace to run. I mean a real terrace size-wise where he can run around in Hell's Kitchen and there are not a lot of terraces there. And then you go out. I used to say my – way back when I was performing in clubs around the city that I'd see people with these dogs.
25:46They must be having a relationship with them on one level or another. There must be something going on that's untoward. Right. Well, I mean, I think there's a lot of there's a lot of people who, especially in Brooklyn, where I am, they have people my age who just never had children and have dogs. Yeah. Kerry, push the dogs in strollers. It's like you're I mean, you're not even trying to hide it, basically. Yeah. And I do feel it was good because I never had children. And I and so what it did teach me getting a dog at this point was this would not have worked out if I had a child. It's enough. This is more than enough.
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26:22Well, so there's been some chatter among your fans. I saw that you and Sammy would make a formidable presidential ticket in in 2028. Assuming that's not going to happen. It does tee me up with the question I wanted to ask you, which is let's talk a little bit about 28. It's coming sooner than we think. Is there anybody on the Democratic side who has earned your ire so far among this sort of like motley crew of potential candidates? Well, Gavin Newsom has too much hair hair product. Yeah, he does. Right. It's too much. Too slick. Too slick. I always say he looks like the guy who would lay off your dad.
26:54Yeah. I mean, yeah, exactly. But I like I do like what he's great at is his kind of like those, you know, the social media stuff. Yeah. But that he takes it to Trump. He takes the fight. He takes the fight to Trump. And that's good. And that's enough. And just do that. But the one I do lean toward is and now is it's. escaping me, the governor's, Pritzker. You like Pritzker. Here's what I like about Pritzker. A, first of them, first of all of them, who went after Trump. He's really in like the top five who went after Trump initially. Yeah, he doesn't hold back. What am I going to put up with? He knows he's not a, the most incredible myth.
27:42He knows he's not a businessman. Why? Because Pritzker was a businessman. And I like the fact that he has a ton of money. and he and he also a big fat real estate guy yeah you don't think we could do a little better than that but i do like uh i like pritzker a lot and uh i i just think that he uh he gives a shit yeah and uh and and to have that much money and and it's kind of like looking at if trump had an inverse mirror it's right that's yeah that's sort of what scares me a little bit about him um But yeah, that doesn't bother me. No. I mean, he's an interesting guy. I guess because and because Illinois seems to like him, you know, they don't seem to be.
28:28And I just like the fact that he shot his mouth off. Yeah. You know, I mean, because he's and all of the he checks all about. He's a legitimate businessman, not I stood in. You know, it's like you you go to Atlantic City and and the people who live in Atlantic City do not like. Trump. Why? Because he bankrupted two casinos. That's interesting. I never really thought about it. I never even realized sometimes that there are people who live in Atlantic City. It's not just the strip. When I would go there and perform and I'd say early, and this was the first before he even was winning and I was performing, I said, what do you think of Donald Trump?
29:07They would go nuts. Right. And everyone kind of had a story about some sort of thing about how he He screwed them, and it's, like, unbelievable. How do you bankrupt a casino? I say to the audience, try to think about it. What could you possibly do? You gamble. It's a money-printing machine. It is. You gamble. How do you think they could stop you from losing money? What would be the thing? And I said they'd have to have the National Guard in front of the casino shooting gamblers. Right at the slots. It's funny you say that because this is all as a as a born and bred New Yorker. This was always the frustrating thing about Trump back when he came down the golden escalator 10 years ago and he got all this fawning media coverage on the right.
29:56And people talk about how he's this great businessman or whatever. And you're like as a New Yorker, you're like, what? You're like, you're just you people are being hoodwinked. Like every New Yorker knows that this guy's a clown. Right. He was a tabloid oddity through the 90s. Like nobody in New York thought that he was actually this big developer. He basically was just a branding guy. He wasn't even building most of these buildings. And he was just known as a con artist. And then he managed to pull this con over the country twice now. But I don't know. Maybe that means he's smarter than I gave him credit for.
30:27No. It just means everyone else is dumber than me. Everybody. That's why we're making artificial intelligence. Right. Nine out of ten New Yorkers, when he ran in 2016, were – folks living in New York City did not want him. Yeah. To be – nine out of ten of us. You can't get nine out of ten New Yorkers to agree. Probably not even the Knicks. And I would say to the audience, nine out of ten of us are telling you not to vote for him. And I know that some of you are going to vote for him. And I said that's – you know, do what you want. But nine out of ten of us who live with him are telling you. And I said, the problem is that the reason you don't listen to us is because you think we're a**.
31:11Yeah. And I said, and what you're getting ready to do is vote for the biggest a** we've ever produced. And that's really what occurred. Very well said. It's really, it's unbelievable to me. I know. And that he's, you know, I'm a self-made man. No, your father gave you the – your father could have given a baboon the money. Yeah. And the baboon just – if the baboon had just taken the money, if they took the money, they're going to kind of help the baboon out and put the money in the bank. The baboon would have probably given more money. Well, I have to say it was sort of gratifying, probably more gratifying than it should have been seeing him get booed to high heaven when he came to the next game at the Garden for game three.
31:53The one game they lost in the whole run. Of course. Of course, right? Yeah. But it just made me think, you know what, this guy may have everything. He's president. He'll go down as an important president whether we like it or not, but he will never have the love of his hometown. New Yorkers will always hate him. And eventually he has the love of people who will eventually realize what happened to themselves. I mean, you know, the one thing that always been as amazing about it is, is that he could get people. And this is to me a genius in how he pulled this office to get people that he was to get people to to basically vote against their own interests.
32:42Sure. Of course. That's stunning. Yeah. And to come across as a as a as this avatar for the everyman was like, are you kidding me? Like you live in you literally live in a gold penthouse on Fifth Avenue. That was the thing to me. It was always just like an incredible hoodwink, one of the greatest of all time. Right. I'm going to look out for you from my penthouse in Trump Tower and then go to move to Mar-a-Lago. Right. Yeah. So speaking of sort of like the Trump and, you know, the news environment we find ourselves in, we do have a deal or at least a memorandum, a prelude to a deal. They're calling it for this war in Iran that he started back at the end of February.
33:27What do you make? Is this war going to be over? No. That's my betting money. Yeah. This is the fifth time we've had a deal. Right. But now we really have the deal. I mean, at what point? Well, I think it's just the Iranians at least this time say that this is a deal, which makes it different from some of the other times Trump has just said, We have a deal and it's over. But the question, of course, is, does this get us anywhere better than where we were before they started the war? No, but we were able to check, test some weapons and prove to ourselves that they did have these things buried deep enough and to prove to ourselves that possibly when you fire people who were really part of like the security, like the CIA and stuff like that, the people who are supposed to know.
34:19Right. When you get rid of those people that you find that you may not blow up all the stuff you want to blow up. I mean it's literally proof of the incompetency. I mean 25 million bucks in telling us – you're telling us that you've destroyed their military and the next day they're attacking. Right. I mean come on. And then you do – well, now we're really going to destroy them. I mean it's literally – My favorite one is while we sunk their navy. It's like the Iranian navy. Oh, my God. I was I was so like I didn't even know they had a Navy until 10 minutes before this started. And then the other is that, you know, I mean, it's, you know, you know, you're going to have a, you know, nuclear weapons.
35:02OK, then, you know, it's not a question. They've got a nuclear weapon. Get rid of the delivery system. Yeah. You don't need to. That's what you get rid of. OK, can keep all the nukes you want underground. You can't have a missile. Because what are you going to do with it? Throw it? Right. Well, also, not for nothing, but the North Koreans have both the bomb and the means to deliver it. And, I mean, we're not going to war with them. Yeah. Right? Like, I mean, they sort of won that fight, I guess. And you can understand, if you're the Iranians right now, whatever's left of that regime, aren't you saying to yourself, like, yeah, we need to do what they did.
35:37Right? We need to do that with Lil' Kim did over there because he's got himself protected. But he can't get it out. I mean, he's literally unable. I don't think he's got the delivery system. It's unclear, right? It's unclear if he could actually deliver. And now they're doing well economically, which is – the whole thing is madness. The North Koreans. Yeah, that was something like that. Spring break Pyongyang coming up, right? All right, so we talked about the war. We talked about the UFC fight. It is a little bit of a bummer, I have to say. I mean, this is the 250th anniversary of this country.
36:11It feels like there should be a little bit more pride or patriotism. We're probably not doing our part here. We're exhausted. Everyone's exhausted. That's really what it feels like, right? It is. I mean, it's kind of like what we're here. Do you remember the, what do they call it, the bicentennial in 76? Yeah. I was there. I was in D.C. Yeah. What was it like? It was, to give you the metaphor I would use is they had, you come down, it's the greatest fire at the works display ever. It's got to be. It's got to be phenomenal. You can't beat it, right? And a big laser light show out of the Washington Monument.
36:51Phenomenal. None of it, you know, and Jimmy Carter, I think, was the president. And they, the, so you're sitting on the, around the, you know, near the reflecting pool or on the mall. I forget where we went down, me and my friends. You know, they started and there's no music. I forget, there was some music, there was some stuff. It was okay. You know, once again, you know, they had better gigs. Right. Now they're shooting the fireworks, and they're not getting above the trees. Really? Can't see them. And now people are going, f*** you! F*** you! We can't see it! And people went ballistic. And I literally, you got to the point where you thought, they're going to riot.
37:39And rightfully so. Came all the way down there. Yeah, and it was when it was like, you know, and now you've plowed through this traffic to get there. Hot and humid summer. Yeah, and it was awful. It was – and so they had what was going to be their – the laser – because now the lasers are just starting. So now they're coming out of the windows of the Washington Monument and there's like a green square or something. And we're looking up and that's it. That's it. That's what we got. Right. Like they couldn't do it. And it just was like, all right, well, maybe at the next anniversary it will work out.
38:18We'll see the lasers. But it's just kind of funny to think about because it's not like the country was in a particularly good spot in 1976, right? Like, I mean, I wasn't around then. But coming out of Vietnam, you know, Watergate had just happened. You had this huge energy, another energy shock from another war and conflict with the Iranians. So there is a little bit of a parallel there. But it just – everyone I've talked to, including my parents and other boomers who do remember, like, yes, But people were able to sort of put that aside to a degree to sort of like come together. Well, I mean, it was just kind of like, oh, you know.
38:52Oh, yeah, that's right. We did create a democracy and there is a reason. Right. And because you did have Watergate for all of its people. You know, they did what they had to do. We don't do that anymore. I mean, that's the other thing. Right. You know, you've got all of these people. You've got people having to deal, like you said, with all of we got. We got to deal with all of the distractions in order to be able to. And then in the midst of it, we're going to celebrate it by having a, you know, ultimate fighting, you know, the UFC on the lawn. I mean, as we move toward this, this is part of the celebration.
39:27And that he's going to do – he's going to have these people, you know, come sing and the people don't want to sing. He couldn't get Milli Vanilli. He couldn't book Milli Vanilli for the – I mean, that is – as an American, that is embarrassing. Right? I mean, are they busy that weekend? Yeah, it's just – He didn't pay their number. Right, exactly. Some other news I wanted to ask you about. On Friday, SpaceX went public. Elon Musk is now a trillionaire, at least on paper. OK, so on the one hand, screw that guy. I really can't stand him. I don't think anybody really likes him as a guy. On the other hand, at least opposed to some of these oligarchs that control our lives now, He has at least built some stuff that is of value.
40:17Tesla is a valuable company. Those are good cars. People like them. SpaceX builds rockets that can land. That's pretty cool. I'm not going to say no to a reusable rocket. So how do you sort of keep those two things in your head when you think of – but then again, back to my firsthand. He's just such a juvenile twerp, and he seems like just kind of like a bad guy. How do you hold those two in? I can't. I went nuts about it over the weekend when I was performing because it was like. Give me a little bit of your musk bit. Well, no, but first off, the reason, one of the main reasons we don't like him is nobody likes that smell, the smell of musk.
41:00There isn't one person, but boy, could you put some more musk on. OK. And I think that is a setback. Bad name. It's a bad, bad name. But also it's, you know, a trillionaire. What is, and that his, and I can't remember exactly which was, is that the, it was the, the purpose of the, of the, of SpaceX was to explore the universe. That's the purpose. Yeah. And that you. So you're gonna, which you have not done in. You wouldn't allow the government to do it. You basically waited for private industry to show up and now they're gonna do it. We didn't go back to the, we haven't been back to the moon except a circle at this time.
41:50When I was a kid we went to the f***ing moon you idiots. Now it's gonna work because he said so? Are you sh***ing me? And we're gonna give him a trillion dollars? We couldn't come up with it for ourselves. It doesn't make sense. And at what point, you know, we want millionaires. Maybe we should tax them billionaires. You know, maybe we should tax these. He's got a trillion. Can we start with a tax thing? Can there be some sort of a, like, payback? At what point do these words not even mean anything? What is a trillion dollars? I don't know. It's a thousand billions, I guess. Yeah. That's a lot of money.
42:25It's a lot of money. It's really a - That's a lot of fucking money. A billion is a lot. Yeah, right. But a trillion. Come on. And the only thing I read that gave me any feeling of this was good was there people who had busted their chops for him doing all sorts of stuff. And if you're the janitor, if you're the first janitor at SpaceX, you're sitting pretty right now. You are. I mean, he he money. He gave them stock to his to his credit. I mean, you know, and and then and they're coming out. Somebody was like one of those guys who didn't do like you said, the general will end up with eight hundred thousand dollars.
43:05Good. That's good. So when we did the Artemis flyby earlier this year, you weren't you weren't impressed. I thought that was cool. No, I thought it was great. I thought it wasn't around for the moment. Oh, I thought it was great. Yeah. But it's like literally, now we get around to it? Right. I mean, I sat there as a kid and watched this. It was, and I didn't go, oh, boy, I'm going to get into science. I went, this is, look at what we can do. Right. When we want to do something. Yeah. This is called exploration. Do I want to explore? No. Would I, if they got on a boat in the 1700s and I had to, like, eat oranges in order to not get scurvy and shit my pants every day?
43:42No. No, I'm not going to do that. Okay? But I believe in it and that it's important. And there are people who really have the courage to do it. And that's extraordinary. But you waited until now. Yeah. What is the matter with us? It's not like we didn't have the technology. We had it. We were sitting on it. Right. So we had that down in Huntsville. There's the museum. It's the spaceflight museum. Yeah. Yeah, which is extraordinary. And it's tons of stuff that we had back then. And we waited around till now. It's disgusting. See, you can get angry about anything. That's what I like about you, Lewis.
44:21The other thing I wanted to ask you about is this anti-weaponization fund, which is thankfully dead, at least for now. What I'm talking about is if you're not paying attention to this the way that we do in the media, this is the Trump basically sued the IRS. Meaning us, by the way. That's us. He sued the taxpayer, settled with them in exchange for this one point seven seven six billion. Get it fund that he would then use to pay out people who were prosecuted by the Biden DOJ, which is one of those things that like if you like if you had woken up from a coma after like 10 years and you were like, this is a thing that happened.
45:00Donald Trump is the president, and he's essentially extorting the American taxpayer to pay these people who – criminals, right? People who stormed the United States Capitol, right? Assaulted police officers. It's not enough that he pardoned them. He's now going to pay them. Now, thankfully, this is dead. This is the one thing that the Republicans evidently have grown a spine on and said they're not – this is a bridge too far. Yeah. But meanwhile, the Republicans, when he got ready to pardon them, didn't stand up. No. And they were in. They were there when it happened. I mean, it's beyond belief.
45:34And they were scared. The retconning of January 6th in this administration is really something to me when that that was one of those few events where like actually got worse. Usually when something big happens in the news, it's not as bad as it originally looks. That's something that actually was worse than it originally looked. That was even possible. Right. The more they came out, the more you heard about these people, the more it became clear that it was organized and that Trump was a major factor in allowing that to happen. And it's just sort of like, yeah, well, what happened? We're going to reelect this guy.
46:07It's just I don't even know. No jokes to be told, right? Yeah. Really. It's unbelievable. I also want to ask you, Lewis, you did a great bit on The Daily Show a couple of months ago about these betting markets, these prediction markets that were Calci and Polly market being the two big ones. And you made the joke that, you know, I think that the lines on, you know, whether Jesus would come back were about 4 percent. And the line on whether Jeffrey Epstein would come back from the dead was 5 percent. Right. So that was a good bit. But yeah, I mean, is this just how it is now? Like we're going to just trade on, you know, we're just going to gamble on everything.
46:44We're getting ready to destroy sports. Right. You know, congratulations to the Knicks for winning at a point when they haven't discovered that everybody on every team, you know, that's going to be in on it's going to turn out that everyone's in on the. You know, three guys on San Antonio wouldn't surprise me if they bet on it. I mean, it's and you've got I mean, there's that officiating of that series. I would not surprise me if the NBA was there was something crooked going on there. No, it's crazy. The NF and the NFL has money in it. Yeah. I mean, come on. You know, we don't want, for years, well, we really don't want him to be in Vegas because we're afraid.
47:21And now you've invested in this. F*** you. It's disgusting. It's slimy. Even watching the finals, you know, they do the mid-quarter, you know, draft kings, presented by draft kings, like the lines on the players on the court. It's just like, who asked for this? I know, and I wanted to bet on certain games, and I can't figure it out. Yeah. I still can't. You're better off. The last thing you need is a casino in your pocket. I know. Right? It's unbelievable. I mean, it's just that the NFL, you know, condones it. Charles Barkley, but it's Charles Barkley. He's always talked about his gambling. Yeah.
48:00And that's fine when they didn't have it. But now it's like, what do you think? And you've got three guys, and now it's even worse. And the NFL is worse. Oh, for sure. But to me, the sports is one thing because it's like, okay, I mean, I remember back in the day, like you go to the, you know, go to the off track, the OTR down on the corn, you bet your college, you know, bet your kids college fund on the ponies. Yeah, I like that. We had one in the Upper West Side. Yeah, right. That's I always remember seeing those guys out there and it was like kind of depressing. But like, OK, whatever. At least at least you had to like go out of your house to do it.
48:32Right. You had to like go into the world. Now it's just you do it from your phone. And it's not just the ponies. You know, you bet on the NFL, not just the NFL. Oh, and actually you're going to bet on what is Trump going to say in his press conference? This week, is he going to say a certain number of words and you'll be able to make money off of it? It's really just like I don't even know what to – it's just a – plus to say nothing of like the insider trading that we've seen around the war, right? I mean we've seen this, right? People are betting on the – when we're going to strike Iran, when the bombs are going to stop falling.
49:02It's like – it's just the abject corruption is – It's astonishing. It's astonishing. What do you even say to that? You don't. You just literally kind of go, at what point do we say enough is enough? And a lot of it is that just what I find, you know, this is just something else about when I was performing, one of the things that was always kind of a, I thought that I ended up with an audience was because I, I really was an anti-authoritarian. I was not big on authority at all of any type from either side. And people were attracted to that. And especially whoever was in charge at that point. And then with him, for the first time ever, except maybe with Dick Cheney, I would get a little flashback here and there.
49:59Little, even much less with Bush. And then none with Ronald Reagan, if I had anything to say about him. But with Trump, they would really, if I've talked about him, you know, he's the best. What's the matter with you? How come you're not talking about Obama? Well, because he's not the president. Yeah. And that this group of people who were, and many of them were fans, were now not fans and were fans who had trouble with authority, now all of a sudden found an authority figure that they liked. That's true. In the same way that the Democrats had people that they liked. All the way down the line.
50:42But this is the first time a whole bunch of people grabbed onto an authority figure that you thought, this is the group that's never going to grab an authority figure. No, it's true. It's absolutely true. And I mean, to your point, it's this cult of personality around the president that is really – I just dislike. I hated it with Obama. I really hated it with Trump. It's just like this guy can do no wrong. You end up getting to fights with people about like – I'm fighting with somebody in my email now about the reflecting pool. And whether the allergy that's come back is like Trump's fault or not.
51:15I'm like, what am I doing with my life? I don't know. I have no idea. I don't care. Right. And then what really enraged me was calling it. So why are you calling it Obamacare? Yeah. It's health care. Right. Stop it. And then the other one this morning is just little things come through because not enough. The only reason my rant cast serves any purposes is because I kind of track things that I don't think people are paying attention to. It's just stuff that's weird that's happened. From lashes for days with the Viral Liquid Lash Extensions Mascara to lift and color from the brilliant eye brightener, Thrive Cosmetics is the go-to for amplifying everyday looks.
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52:44Yeah. And I hate to do the like, can you imagine if stuff, because it's like, it's just kind of like hack. But can you imagine if Barack Obama put on a UFC fight at the, first of all, he would have been impeached the minute he came up with that. He put on a basketball game. Right, and that was a Fox News talking point for like months. But some and somebody called. Yeah. Nancy. Someone made fun of Nancy Reagan or something. No, it would be he would have been gone. Yeah. And now it's just like, oh, yeah. You know, it's just it's just Trump being Trump like that's what you're going to get. Not that Trump said that, but, you know, these things don't they don't happen.
53:21It's disgusting. You know, and somebody has to somebody who was there or, you know, some Republican has to stand up and go. So that's – you can't use your – but he's created this. Well, you have Republicans who are standing up, but then they immediately get primaried, right, because he still controls the base of the party. Like look at what happened to Cassidy. Look at what happened to – what's his name? To Cornyn in Texas, right? It's like you cross the king. You're gone. But it's less and less than that. And it's also, you know, how bad are you as a candidate that you allow him to take over?
54:02I've always thought, you know, his insults were like, this is like a ninth grader, the way a ninth grader insults. That all of those guys standing here, all the Republicans standing there, including the press, that no one. And I was stunned it took me that long to just say all that had to be said by any of them after he said the nasty stuff he was saying to them. Yeah, no, I. OK, you're right. But can you explain to the rest of America why your face is orange? How come you have an orange face? Where'd you get the orange face? You're the orange boy. I mean, all you had to do, all of the stuff that is written now.
54:42Oh, boy, Mr. Cheeto, all that. None of that that escaped you as a as a you know, as someone running against that. Right. That is the matter with you. Didn't you go to high school? And they still have a problem with it. And even the Democrats. No, say something. Yeah. There are ways to be just as nasty as he is. But then it's like, does it just is this just a race to the bottom or at that point? No, he gets it in the nuts. Okay, you don't... That's how you deal with a bully. This is Newsom's whole point. This is how you deal with a bully. You throw it right back at him. But you kind of go... You know what you do?
55:25You go, well, I didn't mean to say this, but... Right. I think that's good. Okay, I think I can see you running for office on that sort of... Well, I mean, it's just that inability. And you don't have to be that nasty. There are other – there's a lot of creative ways to – Well, just pointing out the absurdities, right? Well, I mean he did it the other day, OK? He's sitting with – what's her name? God. There you go. Kristen Welker on MSN – on NBC News, right? Yeah. There's a whole section of my head that the files are shot. And he's sitting there and he calls her, you know, you lie, you're worthless.
56:06He's given four or five things. And all she had to say, and I don't know, this is where I'm kind of over the top with about the response. You say, I just would like to say that, you know, this is what I do for a living. Right. And I'm sorry it upsets you. I'm a journalist. I'm asking you, you're the president of the United States. I'm going to ask you some questions if that's okay, sir. Yeah. And I think that you should show a little more respect for someone like myself. Yeah. And that because I'm showing you that respect. And I think that was the way I was born and raised. And why they don't repeat the fact, because that is it's it's unacceptable.
56:49Yeah. That in the end, it's unacceptable to talk like that to the president. Why? It's very simple. Children are listening. Yeah. This is coming from a man who doesn't usually worry about their children are watching your act. right no um no it's true you can come at 12 and above okay that's when i started watching people like me so no i mean i i have such a my wife and i both work in the news business and we're both uh we both have the mouths of a of sailors and now our five-year-old daughter is like started to curse i'm like oh my god i'm a terrible father um but that's okay right uh louis of everything that's happened this year um what has been the heart because you know some of the stuff we're talking about is is serious obviously what has been the hardest to make funny like see it's too dark or it's just like it's hard to land a joke when stuff is moving as fast abortion yeah it's been the hardest thing to make a joke about since that's that's probably true of all all comics for a long time there's some uh there doug stanhope has some material there's a uh i think There are a few that have had really good stuff about it, you know, that kind of do the circle around it and come back and nail it.
58:05But I just have never. Never gone down that road. I've never been able to. If I thought anything was funny. Yeah. I would do it. You know, I mean, when I was a kid and before I was really doing stand up for fun, I said that the only I can't even do it now. I'll tell you afterwards. because it was a joke that, you know, it was way over the line. Yeah. And all of them, it's tough. And it's tough because it's not, it's the kind of thing, if you bring it up at dinner, people are in fistfights within five minutes. So it's nuts. And I would on stage go, you know, I'm just going to say something and then I'd say the word abortion.
58:46And I said, I can now hear every anus in the room snapshot. And I've said nothing but the word. Right. You know, and that's why I don't make a joke about it. Yeah. Okay, so what's next for you, Lewis? You've got the Randcast. Tell me about this thing called Celebrity Autobiography. Well, I do this thing starting tonight or the next couple of weeks. It's Celebrity Autobiography. I've done it. It's been running for a while. It's a live show on Broadway. Yeah. Now it's gone to Broadway, which may or may not have been a mistake. I don't know. But it's a funny show. It's stupid. If you like stupid and you like funny, it's stupid funny.
59:28I like both those things, yeah. Because what we do is like read like Joe Namath, his biography. We read little sections of it. We read a section of maybe Schwarzenegger's. I'm not sure if we do or not. I can't remember. And then there's Vanna White. I'm reading her, I think, tonight. Are you reading as though you are them? No, I don't. And some do. What's his name? Mario Cantone has done it. I love him. And he would do, there'd be the Streisand biography or whoever it was, would share. And he could, you know, he's got the ability to do the mimic. But I don't. I just read it straight out. and I try to read it as deadpan and profoundly.
1:00:19But it's like she says, like Vanuette says, the first time I had, they think that moving those cards is easy, but it's not as easy. You just have to read it. It's one of the, for me, it's unbelievably the easiest comedy I've ever done. I mean, it's just. Just reading other celebrities. Yeah, it lends itself to it. It's partly because of the inflatedness of it. Right. Yeah. And I certainly wouldn't want mine read, my first book. But these are really just things that, because they're celebrity. That's in part what it is. I mean, I didn't set out to write a celebrity autobiography. I set out to write something about what I'd learned from life.
1:01:07But this is like, you know, about what they did, you know, where Joe Namath and women. Yeah. You know, it's it's stuff that is just, you know, two steps over the line. It's and it's funny. That's I'm excited to check it out. Yeah. My last question to you just before we wrap up is, you know, going back to the rant cast, which is another great podcast. What's something you think you'll be ranting about five years from now that, you know, something that's just not going anywhere? How shit it is to get old. Yeah. Yeah. Aging. Aging blows. It does suck. And that we don't – and hopefully in five years we know how to treat people who get older.
1:01:51I never saw it. I never, like, gave people shit for getting old. It's what we all do. But every so I mean, like my Twitter thing, why don't you drop dead old man? It's like, what is the matter with you? I mean, it's for the grace of God, man. Right. Yeah. I mean, you're you're heading there. We're all going to the same place. We're all going to end up there. And that's the thing. You know, we just have never been able to figure it out. And now, you know, it didn't help that there's a kind of trying, you know, these guys hanging on to power. Like, you know, you have an 80-year-old president. Now we get another 80-year-old president.
1:02:29That was honestly – Trump, say what you will about him, he's hilarious sometimes. And he had that great line that was like, Joe Biden is the worst thing to happen to old people. This is it forever. That was good. No, I'm sorry. I interrupted you. No, that's all right. But it's true. I mean that's why we don't – I've always felt from the very beginning – when I first started doing stuff, you know just I was in theater and I started as a playwright right I started as a playwright and had a there was a group of us who went to Colorado as a theater group and one of the things that we all kind of saw was is that there was like a prison and then there was a high school that we were working at a prison the college and it was trying to hook all of them up and and the army base and trying to get a communication because they're all in the same community.
1:03:25Can we try to get something done where we're all kind of that there's a circuit there, there's communication and that, you know, and can't we do that in terms of, of those who, you know, those of the population that is getting old so that they don't feel because part of them are hanging on, you know, I don't want to feel like I'm hanging on. But, you know, but, you know, they feel like, you know, that they're, you know, that they're there and they're put, you know, it's like when I say my generation watched their I've watched my parents go through it. My parents lived on and on and on and 101 and 104.
1:04:10Wow. So, you know, I watched them live in that kind of, you know, that adult community or whatever they want to call it. And, you know, independent living and stuff. And but we watch these kind of, you know, you go in there, you go to any of them and there's something about them that's OK. But there's also this sense of like the, you know, that you're you know, they're being talked to like they're 10 year olds again. And it's like we're watching it happen in real time and we are doing nothing to prevent it happening to us. Yeah. Nobody is. Right. Well, I mean I guess you have these guys, you know, these tech guys now who are like all about living to be a thousand, this whole longevity craze.
1:04:55Yeah, I hope so. That would be a good bit for you actually, the longevity thing. Yeah. There you go. Lewis Black, everybody. LewisBlack.com, you can go there to check out his – he's not touring anymore but he's – Well, yeah, but July 17th. I will be in St. Louis, and I can't remember the name of the casino, but if you go to the website. You can check that out. I have some shows in September, and I got some shows. September is in eastern Pennsylvania. It's eastern New Jersey or Pennsylvania. It drives me nuts. It's eastern. I think it's Pennsylvania. It's eastern Pennsylvania. I think so, yeah.
1:05:31It is Pennsylvania. Yeah. It's Easton, Pennsylvania, and in a great little theater that I've had a great joy working at. And the Hippodrome in Baltimore, and then October 30th I'm playing at the Palazzo, which over the Venetian has a theater. In AC? No, in Vegas. In Vegas. Nice. Oh, that's great. LewisBlack.com, you can check out his dates there. Also, check out Celebrity Autobiography on Broadway if you're coming to New York this summer. be cool cool show to go so you can get those on tkts i imagine right yeah but uh don't use tkts you know oh yeah no just go go up 20 minutes before the show okay smart uh lewis black everybody lewis thank you so much i really appreciate it thanks
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