The Future of Longevity with Tony Robbins

21:19They said, yeah, I think we'll crush that, but you do the study. I said, but what's the best study? What's the most effective thing you've ever seen? And they said it was a study done at Johns Hopkins about four and a half years ago, where they take people for a month who are clinically depressed. And they for a month gave them psilocybin, right? Some magic mushrooms and cognitive therapy for a month. I said, well, out of that, you should have got some kind of change. You know, I think that it was amazing. It was the greatest result they've ever measured in the history of psychiatry. 54 % of the people, six weeks after the treatment, had no symptoms of depression whatsoever.

21:53I said, okay, well, our target is to do better than that, but you're in charge. Why don't you model that same study? Use the same contrasting group, which is what they did. The results were so amazing that they sent out blind the stats to do different organizations because they're afraid they're going to get canceled. 100 % of the people that they put through this program after six weeks had zero expressions of depression. Better than that. 17 % of them had suicidal ideation, not a single one had suicidal ideation afterwards. They followed up 11 months later. They're going to do 12, but they did 11 months because people were getting back from COVID and they had all the stats on, you know, how people loneliness and all the things that are happening at home.

22:32Anyway, 71 % decrease in negative emotions, 11 months later, 52 % increase in positive emotions, loneliness through the floor. The transformation is amazing. It was written up in scientific journals, just as you described, right, through the journal of psychiatry. I thought, boy, people would really be looking for us now. A single phone call, no one's interested, and there's still so many drugs that don't work. So part of it is the institutionalization of the system. We're actually doing a study right now, Stanford wanted to do another one. and they're doing the largest behavioral study they've ever done, 750 people, not one month, three months, full year.

23:05It's just finishing this month, this last December it began. And it's on quite quitting, allowing quitting and engagement, as you guys know, when it comes to business, engagement equals EBITDA, the highest levels of engagement, highest levels EBITDA. And for your audience, they measure things as engaged, disengaging, actively disengaged, activists engage with the people that still work for you, but are trying to harm your company and... Hey, hey, yep. And what's crazy is that in those four years of COVID, the largest drop in engagement in the history of their records, the largest increase and actively disengage the loud quitting people.

23:39And the study they did with us, I can only tell you what it was, it's six months they're gonna announce it and publish it shortly at the 12 month mark. But we quadrupled the engagement. Took what four years got rid of in six days. They they sustain it. I never saw them again. And at the six month mark, which is the last measurement I got to see, had increased another 50 % beyond what it had because they had a shift in their psychology and their mindset. I know you, I think it's you, Ben, maybe it was you, Mark, I can't remember, but I get you guys mixed up in your quotes sometimes as I read so many, but I think one time I read you said the hardest part of getting a CEO is really my own mindset, you know, it's your ability to get yourself to go through.

24:16That's what I found. I got 111 companies to push through the difficult times. Anybody can do well when things are going your way or fighting the right players. That's not hard. I think you also talked about and they're dealing with those players and they feel entitled as well. But the psychology change is everything and it's true for everyone. So that's my obsession and we really want to make a difference because we're living in a world where most CEOs don't know what to help to do. I was at a Fortune 400 conference and with Mark Bain -Oskar, Freda Mine, and they invited me in and they were doing these interviews and they were asking people there how many of you have people working five days a week and at the time less than this is six months ago, less than 20 % of people raise their hand.

24:55And these are Fortune 400 companies and it's just 500 companies. I just, I can't even believe it. How many wish everybody is here five days a week? 95 % of them raised their hand, right? So I know there are jobs where you can be hybrid or be gone all the time, certainly software, things of that nature. But we're dealing with issues that we've never dealt with for in the history of business. And obviously it's affecting office buildings and local restaurants and everything else, but helping people become more engaged to me is the only way they're going to be fulfilled. Because I'm sure you've read, people are the most unhappy in their work that they've measured in 20 years, even pre -COVID.

25:28And they thought, well, I don't want to go back to work because I shouldn't have to do that. I'm like being home now. And now when they're home, they feel isolated. Right. Right. I think is if I have it easier, I'm going to be happier. And you both know, all three of you wouldn't be who you are. You know that the effort is to reward that being able to push those things is what shapes you. It's what makes you proud of who you are as a human. This idea of self -esteem that's so overused with children, it strikes me crazy. You don't get self -esteem because someone tells you you're good and you don't lose it because people tell you you're worthless.

25:56Someone tell you worthless your whole life and go, read between the lines, I'm going to show you who I am. Or someone tell you you're beautifully whole life and you don't believe it, right? What makes you have a steam for yourself is doing difficult things. And our society unfortunately is not reminding people that we're here to give something. We're not just here to get. and most of our society is measured with it yet, and that's making people so unhappy. They don't understand that you'll never be happy when you don't have a meaning in your life more than yourself. And when a focus is just on your own sense of comfort, I mean, anybody can meet comfort needs pretty easily.

26:28It's funny. You said you're not a scientist, but I think by Mark's definition of original scientists, you're absolutely a scientist. And it seems like really unfortunate in the current system that here you are with these amazing results, which should be what we're teaching undergraduate, psychology, students and so forth. It should be what the average person when they go to see a psychiatrist gets, and instead we're getting SRIs that don't work. And do you ever think about, and you have your own lane, and you get it to the people through your seminars and so forth, but do you ever think about, like, is there a way to emerge those channels or to kind of overcome this just like weirdness where we have one method that you've invented that gets amazing results.

27:20We have this whole other school of thought based on psychologists that were wrong about a lot like in the history of psychology, some of the heroes were just wrong. Like Freud was wrong about a tremendous amount of things. I guess how do you think about that because you have such a big mission to kind of improve people's lives. I want to reach many people as I can. So truthfully, these journals and people of that nature don't reach a lot of people. Yeah. By seminar's thanks to COVID, when everything got shut down, I was used to doing stadium. So if you can imagine, I got a call from the governor of California, who I don't share necessarily values with 100 % but I'm friendly with and he says, sorry, let you know the stadium that you had there for 15 ,000 people, you only put a hundred people in there.

28:02And I'm like, what? So I was like, screw this, we'll go to Vegas. still never shut down Vegas. We move all the people to Vegas five days before they shut down Vegas. I were going to Texas. I know the governor there. He's never going to bend same thing about a week out. He ends up all the movie theaters. We'll do a movie theaters only 10 people each. That's what that'll allow you to do. A list of be 1200 movie theaters. They'll go locally. They'll have a big screen. Great. So I finally just they cut that out. So I finally built the studio. And now we do our live events with 15 ,000 people, but you do a hybrid events also.

28:34And I started doing events then where all of a sudden my 15 ,000 person event was done in people's homes. I built 20 foot high LED screens, about a 25 ,000 square foot place built it all around me, brought in, made some new software technology so people could shake their phone instead of clapping. You know, it's got an electric signal of one clap. You don't hear it when 20 ,000 people clap. It's like thunder. You know, I went to our friends over there at Zoom and got them to Expand the volume from a thousand people to 25 ,000 and all of a sudden we started growing so now I've last large Something I did last year was 1 .8 million people for six days So it's like just go around it the other way is I think by Hitting businesses and I've always said I want to talk to whoever the general public all build it they'll come But I'm going to start directing businesses now because now that I have this way to do things as synchronal and But anywhere in the world, I think it's a new way to do this.

29:28And that's why I supported this study because I think we can start to affect people's psychology, emotion and health by hitting the bottom line. And that'll bring those resources to people and companies. So I think that's another avenue that we're going for to have an impact. We think about what Tony does. Actually, maybe you're not a scientist. You might be way more impactful than that. Maybe you're like a psychological engineer because like you're really wanting to solve a problem. not just like something righted up and then, you know, and like an engineer will iterate, will study, will be empirical, will learn from theory and learn from all the other stuff, but we really actually care about working.

30:05And whether it works or not, I think the only thing you really care about, right? You don't care about awards or... And what I care about is finding people that I'm not the only one. I mean, that's like, I'm not saying I got all the answers. The way I wrote my financial books, I read a this book, this book, you know, 150 of the best regenerative scientists in the world know about lorias. The best doctors in the world, that's who I go to to get the answers. And then now I know them. Oh, you're so smart. I'm not smart. There's smart. I'm just smart enough to go to them. Same thing in the financial area, Ray Dalio, Carl Icahn, you know, Paul Thudor Jones, these all guys that became my friends over the years because I went and took what they did and made simple enough that the general population could use it.

30:42My billionaire clients found it valuable, but so did the average person getting started. So to me, it's a modeling process and an iteration process. Modeling what already works and then finger how to go to a different level. But I don't have to reinvent the wheel. But I have been doing what I've been doing now. This would be my 47th year coming up. You can clearly see I started at three, of course. But at this point, I could be an idiot. I'd have to see there are patterns. That's what makes all of us good at what we do. It's pattern recognition, pattern utilization. And then if you're good enough, pattern creation, maybe you play someone else's music initially, you learn the patterns You learn how to use them, but eventually you can build on top of the shoulders the people that you've learned from and I think that's what we all want to be But also it's way one our children to be from us right to have the choice to have choices we never had before And I think that's threatened a little bit by some of the psychology that's currently in the culture But I'm not worried because you know, I always think of history and cycles, right?

31:38It's like good times, greats, weak people. You always see it in Roman history, Greek history. Good times, weak people, weak people, bad times, bad times, great strong people, strong people, great, great times. Think of the great generation born in 1910 and they come of age 19 years old and 1929. It's like they thought they're gonna party like everybody else. They were generations with looked down on, like millennials were by older generations or Z generation is now. They were looked down on. They got everything so easily. They didn't go through World War One. they didn't have to fight. They had radio and television and also in boom depression.

32:12It toughened them up. They had to change to survive. And then oh by the way, what time they heard 29 it's 1939. It's World War II and they got a war that looks like we're going to lose. The war's going to win. Those people came back strong and every single generation is tested. The question, are you tested in the early years, the middle years, the later years, or the late late years of your life? Because you study history, you patterns are consistent. And so I study history, I study patterns, and humans have so many patterns. You're not angry all the time. You don't know very good all the time.

32:44You don't do anything all the time. There's certain patterns that make you that way. And you are not your pattern. And that's why I'm able to help people to change. You don't have to change themselves. There's change in the habit they've been calling themselves that's really getting in the way. That definitely. You hit on the thing that I want to ask Mark about. So Tony kind of mentioned things in the culture that are degenerative. and in particular, we've got this big wave of everything from what's good for the people is for them to not work so many hours, or it's better to be a victim than an aggressor and this and that and the other.

33:22And they're all kind of extremely destructive things for personal psychology. How do you look at the waves of these political movements and what's happening now, When has it happened historically? How do we get out of it? Yeah, it's actually something that you go back to Nietzsche talked about this Like 140 years ago now Basically, it claims to speak on behalf of the oppressed or how our sort of modern ruling class like stays in power And so if you want to run for office What's the message that you tell people do you tell people you can take responsibility for your own lives? And you can achieve great things Who do you tell people you're a victim and anything bad that's happening?

33:58It was not your fault and it doesn't matter what you do you'll never be able to succeed and the system is rigged against you and the system is oppressive and people of other colors, netthenisties hate you and are trying to keep you down. I often use the term demoralization campaign to basically win office, you basically sell a demoralization story. Then of course you promise that of course as the leader you're going to help these poor oppressed people overcome that and then that's the birth that never quite happens because the magic trick. Well because if that happens then you can't run for re -election on the same story.

34:25This is also the problem with every nonprofit. This is like the problem. You know, homeless, you know, so we spend like a billion plus dollars to these quote unquote homelessness nonprofits in San Francisco every year and homelessness keeps getting worse. Right, and it's like, well, of course it does is because if you're homelessness nonprofit, do you make money by actually solving homelessness or having there be more of it right you feed the problem. It's really intensified in the last decade like we're in this culture in which this sort of prevailing message from the sort of most important elites is you're a victim.

34:50And they're going to keep selling that story for as long as people keep buying it. And then I think over time, I think more and more people are going to figure out that they're being sold a bad story and that that leads nowhere good and that there's no way to live life. I was by thinking that you're oppressed the whole time. And the right thing to do is to say, oh, actually, I live in a free and prosperous society and I can improve myself and I can take control of my destiny and I can do great things. Until then, you're trapped. When people go to my seminars because of what you've described, I just want to warn you in advance.

35:14This is not a safe space and there'll be no warnings. If you're looking for a safe space and your definition is everyone's going to tell you what you already believe and you've wasted your time to come here because this is all about questioning all of our beliefs and testing it and seeing how does it really work in the real world. And in that way, it's really the safest space at all because the truth will set you free. But most people don't care about the truth anymore. They just care about reinforcing what they already believe. And as you said, whatever's reinforced continues. But the pattern is so extreme now.

35:44It's like silence is violence, words are violence. I think I heard Chris Rock say, if you think words are violence, no one slapped the shit out of you on national television. Violence is violence, right? And those saying people now are chanting death to people in Israel. I mean, it's just, it's just crazy. I'm like, I hate what's happening both sides of the Middle East and innocent people are injured. I don't care what their background is. It's horrific. But to say words of violence and you're going to eliminate somebody from the staff for doing it, but you're not going to stand up and say, no, be heading of children and raping of women is totally okay.

36:20It's not okay on any side, whether it be in Gaza or be Israel or anywhere else. And none of it is okay. But it's crazy where our world is entered. But again, the pendulum, I agree with you, Mark. I think the pendulum has thrown so far. And there's a point now where the quiet middle is finally starting to speak up because it's affecting the quality of their life on a massive scale. But when you vote people in office and they know they can give you whatever you want and they're willing to do it too and just print money, that's why we end up in a position we are right now with inflation. Yeah, Tony, on the Israel Palestine issue, you had a crazy story in the book about a seminar you were doing right when 9 -11 happened where you had one of the members of the audience was from Pakistan and then the other was a Jewish member.

37:00and it sounded like they were ready to kill each other right there. Like at the seminar, I would love to kind of hear that story and how you think about it in today's context. It was 9 -11. I was in Hawaii. We're doing at the time at 10 -day seminar where I basically kill people. I think I'm 12 -14 hours a day for 12 straight days and nights and I bring in some really brilliant, brilliant teachers. I had Storm and Norman, the general Norman come in and teach leadership a variety of people. But what happened during 9 -11 was I just finished an evening at midnight one in the morning and we were in Hawaii, so around 3 o 'clock in the morning banging on my door, letting me know, hey, turn on the television.

37:40And so I did and saw what everybody saw on CNN and the first building hit. And I thought, this is horrible. And everybody didn't know it was terrorism. And the second one happened. All hell was breaking loose in the building because the entire hotel was made up of thousands of people from all over the world. We were translating, I think, eight languages simultaneously. We had every religion there. So there are people that were fighting in the halls. There were people crying and controlling me. This was the end times. Everybody responded to it based on what I call their emotional home. We have an emotional home, a place we go back to, whether it's good or bad.

38:11If you're used to negative feeling sadness and feeling sorry for yourself, you'll go there. If you're an angry person, you'll go there. If you're a person that looks out to support others, you're going to be in a supportive role. And that's all that happened. Everybody played the roles they play, they went to their emotional homes, but as brutal, no one's wanting to come to class as a good -bodied class, they brought them all together and I said, listen, by now I'm sure most of you know this has occurred. We can't get off the island here, all the flights were canceled. So we got to do what we could do.

38:39So let's do a blood drive and then let's process this together. And I ask people three questions because these are the three decisions people make every moment their life. We first, you decide what to focus on. We don't experience life. We experience life we focus on. And what's wrong is always available so it's right. So 3000 people died. It was horrific. I wouldn't like that any smaller than what it was. But 4000 people die every day of heart disease and cancer and no one says it word. Their mother's father's brothers. If they were in airplanes falling out of the sky, everybody, right? Dr. V.

39:08J would be going crazy, but we're just immune to it. So whatever we focus on, we feel. And so the decisions of what to focus on, whether you can control it or not, whether it's the past, present, or the future, whether it's what's missing in your life or what you have controls the quality of your life. So I put you in groups, I want to tell me, what did you focus on when you heard it? What did it mean to you? It's at the end of the beginning, and what are you going to do? And then I walked around the room and got the education of a lifetime because I watched this woman got this really thick accent and she was talking so angrily spitless coming up her mouth to the people in her group.

39:42And I made sure the groups had met in women and they were from different countries. And so I appeared in and I said, man, can I ask you a question? I said, are you from the United States? She said no. Have you visited New York ever? She said no. She said, you have family here. She said no. I said, well, why are you so angry? And she goes, because I just do it. Just get so angry about these things. I said, well, I'm just curious. How often do you get angry? Because what do you mean how often I get angry? I get angry a lot. Why? I said, well, once a week, once a month daily, and long story short, it came down to she She sees anger as fuel.

40:15She does it all the time. I went to another group just to give a quick example. And a woman is crying uncontrollably. And she's talking about guilty she feels because she's a nurse. She's so New Jersey. And she should be there. She can't get off the island and people are dying. And she's not able to help. And I felt her emotion. And then same thing, I stopped her and I said, ask her question, how often do you feel guilty? What do you mean? I said, once a month with, it feels guilty all the time. So people went to their place, but when I went to do the shares, one woman got up and shared the fact that After we finished the midnight, she went back to her room and she was planning on Separating from her boyfriend and left in bad situation, but when I sat that night She decided to call him say I love him and that she was wanted to marry him and it turns out he was at the top of the world trade center And sure enough, she got a left and message from him.

41:03She was asleep and she played it for us talking about how much he loves her and how much it means such a world to him that what she said and he doesn't Now I tell her this but he's not gonna get out of the building. It's on fire and she's wondering probably why this happened because her previous boyfriend was murdered and He said all I can tell you is Maybe this is the lesson to tell you don't ever wait to love again. It's everybody's crying Next guy stands up to the end of the story. He says my name is so and so I'm from Pakistan I'm a Muslim. I'd love to say I could hold your hand and feel sorry for you but this is retribution.

41:36It was like the entire building turned into a war zone. Because another man stood up who had lost, I guess, 12 of his friends that day at the top of the center there and one of the financial institutions and his family lived in the occupied territories, Jewish man, and they started going out and I'd run on one stage and we did this integration process that it's all unfilled. Anybody can see it, we've posted it. Because you took these two guys that want to kill each other at the end. They formed a group that actually went around with Jews and Gentiles Christians and Muslims all together and started preaching in different churches and mosques and so forth peace.

42:13And the young man wrote a book called My G -Hod where he talked about he was trained in a camp. His dad sent him to Berkeley so he wouldn't do it. He told people that morning his only wish was he was he was on one of those planes. And then he realized the G -Hod was with himself and now he's transformed himself. So there's ways to shift people no matter what. How does that relate to today? I mean, there's so much pain that you have to do it families at a time, organizations at a time. First, got to feed people and fight electricity and save some lives. And then we're going to have to deal with a psychology of what's happening there on both sides.

42:45There are no simple answers in this case. But people can completely change their beliefs no matter how embedded they are if you find the right leverage. And if you can and get them to see that it's really everything I blame you for, even if you've done something to me, my experience is mine alone. Everybody has their own 100 % responsibility for what they feel. Now, somebody tries to kill you. Obviously, you're going to feel a certain way. But being able to shift your psychology so you can have a healthy life, everyone's capable of doing. It's not easy, but it's doable. And it's certainly hard with a group of people.

43:18But I mean, I've been doing that with tens of thousands of people, millions of people for decades, and I'm not the only one. But one of the things that you get into in the book, which kind of merges your work and kind of the work of all the scientists that you've assembled and so forth is this kind of idea of the mind's connection to your health and things like psychonural immunology and how that works. And I'd love for you to talk about that a little on VJ for you to kind of chime in on how powerful is this? If I get sick and I just fix myself and how does that work would be I think really interesting for everyone.

43:57Well, I look at it. You got to do both. I like you do the physical side and the mind side. The mind has much more power than we give a credit for and I know Dr. V. Jambshire and Ten homework on it, but you can take any result you get with virtually any drug and at least 25 % of the time the placebo will do the same result in almost every study I've read. In some cases, it's much of 40 or 50%. But there's no money made in place. And placebo is going to even work when you know it's a placebo. That's what's crazy about it. The interesting thing about placebo is people think, well, it's just a sugar pill and then you convince the mind and then somehow the body takes over.

44:31But Harvard's then studies where they actually give people a barbiturate, which is slowing the body down and telemots and emphetamine, give them a big red pill. The size of the pill makes a difference, by the way. The bigger the pill, the more profoundly impact. If you give an injection even more so, if you do fake surgery even more so, more convincing to the brain and produce as a result. But imagine you're giving it about a bit with your whole body, has to slow down, your brain believes it's an infantime, and their biochemistry speeds up and they do vice versa. I mean, the most invasive would be there was a study done by the VA and it was on arthroscopic surgeries.

45:03And what they did was they took a group, and as a result, they changed all the policies that the VA around this and they gave them fake surgeries. What they did is put them under just like the other group, nobody of you, they were cut open the knee, He just put the flaps so it back, did nothing to the knee, the other group they did arthroscopic surgery. And what they found is after six months, the group that had nothing done to them improved more than the group of the surgery. And after doing the several follow -ups, they no longer find it. So it's literally that powerful. And it was not just self -reporting, it was also demanding of it as well.

45:37So what our brains can do is amazing. Ellen Langer from Harvard is a friend of mine. And she's the one who did those reverse studies, where she took people in their late 70s to this place in the Andorondacks for three weeks. And they put nothing but newspapers, pictures, everything from 35 years earlier. And they literally lived it. And they were all talking in the first person. They had a television set that had things from that time, the black and white. And in two weeks, the transformation of these people, the pictures alone would blow your mind. But their blood pressure went down, their immune systems became stronger.

46:12I mean, their resting heart rate changed. I mean, these are changes that just physically shouldn't be anyway, but the mind has that kind of power. It also has the opposite power. I remember Norman Cousins when he was alive. I had a privilege spending time with him. He came to one of my fire walks because he was so fascinated by what the mind could do in that area. And he was telling me the study about, he said he was at this game. It was in LA and he wrote up about it later. And there was this person who started projectile vomiting. It was right there in the midst of a large number of people and they ran off.

46:42And when they came back, they were trying to figure out what it was, what caused this. And so, sure enough, they thought maybe it was the soda poppy drink. So the announcer said, if you drink any of that soda pop, please stop. I'm talking about Coca -Cola, whatever it was out of that machine. And people started projective vomiting all over the stadium. Literally, they had 12 ambulance to come there and take people away. And then about an hour later they figured out it wasn't the soda pop and anything clean up and decided. So we not only can heal ourselves, we can make ourselves sick. And our concept of aging and what age means is so rooted.

47:20I used to have this gentleman who's now passed away when I was in my early 30s. I'd bring him to my events and I would have people close their eyes during one of these health events and before I began just to talk about the power of the mind. I said, I want you close your eyes and imagine a 75 -year -old man. Okay? What you think a 75 year old man would look like in a good picture, good sense. Now, I have my friend walk out on stage when they open their eyes, I said, is this the man you pictured? And he's bench pressing 450 pounds and he was just shizzled and incredible. It's 75 years old, right?

47:51And one of my dear friends, this is a year ago. What do my dear friends I've known for almost 35, 40 years the other day, just turned 70. And he said he was walking by the mirror and he goes, he looked in the mirror. And he's fit as the fiddle is unbelievable, right? And he goes, I owe that to you. He goes, that stuck in my head. Because the image I had was a broken down old person. But from that day on, I had an image of what I'm actually like right now today. So yes, I would never just say only the mind. I go for the biochemistry. I go for the shift that you're going to make in the body. But if you leave out the mind, you're an idiot.

48:24They're so combined. You can do all the right things biochemically. And your mind can overcome them. Yeah. This is one of the areas I think is super fascinating. I think a lot of times people reframe things the wrong way that we think of the null hypothesis as the placebo instead of no drug and like I think finally we're starting to understand actually how it works because if the placebo effect is so strong be great to understand it be great to harness it and be great to take advantage of it because of hopefully a lack of negative side effects. And I think that's what we're starting to see in that field of psychonero immunology and it is just fascinating even from the molecular point of view like the same proteins GPCRs that are in our brains, are in our gut and the mind gut interface is very complicated and very interesting and we're just starting to sort of poke away at it and I think part of what the problem here that for everything we've been talking about for trying to improve health care is that we've got the innovations on the the science side, we've got to deliver to people.

49:21And I think what we're starting to see is more value -based care, more ways that people care about the outcome rather than just providing a service. And if you care about the outcome, you'll incorporate whatever works. And we're just at the beginning of that. But I think people will really start looking to these areas when they're really insented for solutions. Yeah. And Vijay, maybe you could expand on that from like a healthcare system. What does that mean? How does a healthcare system work today and drive the incentives and then where do we want to get to in order to become? Yeah, the health care system right now is a fee for service, kind of like a plumber.

49:56So a plumber come over your house and they'll fix something. Do they care about your house? Will they be thinking ahead for what your house needs? That's not their job. Like that's your job, right? And so right now we have to be sort of the general contractor of our body. And we have to bring in the plumber and the electrician or whatever to take care of that. What would be better is somebody who is financially inscented for our outcome, inscented to keep us healthy. And we're starting to see that right now where one of the innovative areas of companies that are both payers and providers. So right now an insurance company can largely just say no or pay.

50:28But if the insurance company is also in providing, they want to keep you healthy because healthier people costs less. And of course now we're finally have the incentives aligned. And I think that was what was mistaken. And like our incentives or misalign will have all this crazy stuff. But when we all want the same thing, which is for us to be healthy, then actually people will do creative things to be able to align that. And I think what Tony is talking about just recently, but also earlier for like different ways of thinking about mental health and all these things. If you're just providing services, you may even want to be a therapist as an annuity, you know, the therapist is there for a long time.

51:03Curing someone quickly may not be what you're financially insensitive for. And so we need to really flip all of that. And I know Tony, you've spoken to that. So if we can flip the incentives, I think then we can finally get the elsewhere we want. And then Tony mentioned something earlier that I wanted to come back to, which is direct development is very different now with AI. And then our understanding of the human body through kind of a different data set than we've had historically. Vijay, maybe you could talk about that. And how does it kind of change the way that we want to think about everything from development to regulation to like when things are safe and so forth.

51:42This is something that I think many of us have been waiting for for a decade or two because we see that biologists really complicated. I mean, if that there's no doubt. We don't even know all the actors. You don't know all that's going on. And so a very top down approach is probably going to fail. But what AI I think has in common with what we're talking about with Tony's approach is that AI is very empirical. It's like, give me the data. Let me come up with the best thing I can come up with. Let's try it and then we'll iterate that and do better and better. Since it's basically just the best way to mathematical way to handle the data and iterate and improve.

52:17And that's what active learning is and so on. So that's actually perfectly coinciding with this revolution in biology and medicine where we can now measure things. We can do tons of biological experiments. We have tons of wearables, tons of measurements. And so data plus AI plus iterations means we can finally make advances. And I think that has to then be coupled with a regulatory system that would understand that there are these advances and try to help accelerate them. Because if we don't get those iterations, we'll be stuck. And sometimes it may take like 5, 10 tries or something, but we want to do it safely, but we want to encourage innovation and that tension is, I think still being worked out right now.

52:55I think the good news is when you talk to people in the regulatory agencies, I think they want to help people. They want innovation. They don't want to a stifle innovation. So now the questions, how can we work together to really promote that? Well, on the incentive thing there, though, if you work at the FDA, for example, it would seem that if you let a drug through that's dangerous, that's very bad. But if you approve a drug that's good, that's like maybe nobody cares. Yeah, that's the problem. That asymmetry there is for sure there. And like I think we have to reframe it almost like the classic trolley problem, where if you don't let the drug through, we're actually killing people right now by not getting these advances through.

53:39And I think people in being sard for a good it, we're sort of holding that in their head. Very bad of it. Yeah. That's why we take off our shoes after 9 -11. I'm not sure. Or like the self driving cars, right? Like self driving cars now, in many cases, could be safer than human drivers, but they won't be perfect. But people I think can't reason that actually you're killing people by having humans drive once self driving cars are more safe. And Tony, you're doing on health. How do you think about how to move these incentives so that all this great work can actually take effect because it does feel like the amount of innovation that's about to happen is going to completely overwhelm the current way of doing things, particularly with incentives to stop progress.

54:32I think AI is providing the ability to do things faster, quicker and more accurately. So take two of the biggest diseases that kill people, heart disease and cancer. AI has made a giant change in that just in the last year, year and a half. I was one of the first people to get one of the killer CCTA scans. My partner's about life called me opposite to Tony. This is the greatest breakthrough in cardiology we've seen in 20 years. And what it does is you try to read one of these scans of what's happening in your body. It's pretty hard to be able to read, even if you're a great doctor. And these scans literally go in and create a three -dimensional description of what's going on in your body and contract.

55:09Okay, these are calcified versus soft. I mean, the soft ones can break off right and literally they'll give you the little effect. They're going to give you a heart attack or a stroke. House by your body is actually healed itself. And there's been no real way to clearly see that before these AIs. And the level of detail is mind -boggling with precision. I remember I went and I had my 80 year old father -in -law come with me. Man, I really loved dearly. I mean, he's a self -made guy. He was the lumber business. He's strong as an ox still. He started turning 80 and everybody started saying, well, you should start preparing for the inevitable end and so forth.

55:44I can see the psychology drop in him. So I said, hey, Pops, I said, I'm going to go do this test. We're just going to the center here. It's a little 30 minutes away. I said, once you come with me, we'll do it together. I said, I'm sure we both have some plaques, but it'll show us what it is. And then it'll show us what to do. And it's exactly precise to our bodies, like nothing you've ever seen. And he said, OK, we'll go. So we go, we do the test. And to give you a contrast, one of our friends had a calcium test of 1 ,000. Well, I guess. So that's why he couldn't get life insurance. It was over and I've never seen an insurance company do this before, but with our work, we went to them and they reversed themselves because when we showed his thousand was all calcified.

56:24His mind was completely healthy. There was no risk whatsoever. And they actually gave him the life insurance to blew me away. I know everything insurance company would do that. But that's how accurate it is now. It's indisputable. Anyway, the London story is my father -in -law. He's clean as a whistle, right? I got a few things, but he's clean as a whistle. So he walks out of that place and we have this hydro -disection, which is, you know, if you have certain problems in your body with your tissue or nerves are trapped, they put this fluid in and it helps to open it up and heal it in seconds literally.

56:53I had a problem in my ankle for 14 years, 15 minutes, it's never been a problem again. It's mind -boggling. And so we had a hip problem, so they went and did hydro -disection, eat it as a test. I'll never forget, we get on the plane and Mark and Betty sits down from me, Dr. V .J. He's got this big smile on his face. He goes, Tony, people talk about living to be over 100 and stuff. I don't know about that, but I'm only 80. My heart is solid like a 20 year old. My hips, I'm walking perfect. He goes, I can live another 20 years. I'm as long as you've known my doctor. He said, I think I could do that.

57:25So the psychological shifts amazing, but then there's cancer. So the AI was part of how Grail came up with their blood tests, which you're probably familiar with, not all your audience may be. But the biggest problem with cancer is we catch it too late. We have a variety of tests, a mammogram, let's say colonoscopy and so forth. But the ones again, so the ones we don't measure. And the problem is when we've got cancer society studies, you say, well, if you get stage three or stage four, you got about 80 to 90 % chance of dying. I prefer a 20 to 10 % chance of living. But that's how they frame it to be fair.

58:00On the other side, if you catch it at stage one or two, it's about a 98 to 100 % chance that you're going to be healthy. So I had a friend that went in and did all the scans and did the gray hole and did the MRI for his body and his wife was getting to do it. You didn't want to do it. Sure enough, you had stage one bladder cancer. But guess what? Caught it immediately. A year. 40 minute procedure outpatient. He's totally fine and healthy. I have another partner only two weeks ago. He's looking to help create the solution in the highest -end locations. The person who built a multi -billion dollar set of hotel chains and sold them December of 2019 right before COVID, brilliantly, but now he's at a different stage of life.

58:38And he wants to build these centers where they're not like these little spas, but a place you have a home, or go visit and live, but where it's truly the cutting edge and medical care and medical screening and rejuvenation. And so I put him through our center and he was blown away. And guess what, two aneurysms, one about to hit him, he went just have to search for the other day and saved his life. So, AI is already entering the world because it's so much more effective and it's so much cheaper and it's going to only get faster and cheaper. Now to me, that's the solution. Besides just educating the general public.

59:11General public no longer just accepts a medical diagnosis. Unfortunately, they go on the web and read 8 million horrible things. But a lot of people today are saying, no, I'm going to educate myself. I need to be the CEO of my own health today. I need to take these doctors in who are the best and get them to coach me. But in the end, I've got to make the decision what's right for my own health. I have a tumor. I was five, one in high school. I'm now six, seven. I taught people the differences personal growth. Right. That's a lot of personal growth. The truth is I had a tumor in my pituitary gland and it made me go 10 inches in a year, which is what people talk about growing pains.

59:50It's physically stretching your muscles, cramping. It's incredibly painful. But I went through that and then didn't know what it was and then around 30 years old I'm a helicopter pilot as well So I had to go and get my renew my license and this doctor had a suspicion He did a blood test and called me and told me I need immediately have surgery brain surgery I said what even brains you will you've got a tumor in your protuitary gland? How do you know this blood test? I said well I didn't come to you with any side effects and long story short he would do not have a good bedside manner. He wanted to surgery no matter what.

1:00:23I wanted a second opinion. He was irritated. So I did several second opinions. So the male clinic has found that 74 % of the time the second opinion is not the same as the first. It's insane. They recommend the second opinion, right? So I went and got five opinions. And one wanted to drug me, one wanted to do surgery, one wanted to go overseas to do these shots in Switzerland only twice a year to be safe. And I said, but Doc, I don't have my arteries aren't in large, all the things, I don't have these symptoms. He goes, well, just to be certain, turned out that drug and man was a good man by the way.

1:00:56Six months later, the FDA did not allow in the US because they found out it caused cancer. So I still have the tumor. It infarct, which means swallow a good portion of itself up. It's still in my brain. It gave me huge amount of growth hormone, which I don't know. I get what basically bodybuilders pay $1200 a month before I guess. And it's naturally flowing through my veins and you know, look at it as a little gift from God, to get from the universe type of thing, but I've still measured. I haven't had any changes. But if I'd done what anybody else told me and not educated myself to all my options, I'd do Lovins in the piece of my brain.

1:01:28And by the way, number one side effect is loss of energy, which to me would be like cutting Samson's hair. I get up and do 12 hours at a shot with the level of intensity. Most people can't even imagine. And I'm 64 years old. I'm doing more than I did when I was 24. So that was not something I was willing to settle for. So I think that's why I wrote the book, life force. I wanted to give them the best experts on the face of the earth in every area that matters and then they can dive in as much as little as they want, do the natural things they can naturally do or take on some of the newest breakthroughs in medicine as well.

1:02:00Yeah, one of the things that you hit on is people are nervous to get these new diagnostics and so we have a company in VJ's portfolio called QBIO which has built an MRI scanner that can basically scan you in 10 minutes instead of an hour and it's much cheaper and so forth. And then they do a digital twin type service where they do comprehensive blood tests and all these kinds of things. And I was so excited about it. Mark and I were just like, we're going to buy this for every employee so that they can just do it. The hard part is getting them all to go. So the ones who have gone, we've had amazing results.

1:02:36A couple of people have caught things very early and life -saving kind of diagnostic. But people are nervous. They don't want to know how do you overcome that? I kind of help people to book with that because I was the same thing. It's like, I don't want to do that. It's going to find something doesn't matter. We're going to over respond to it, overreact. But the technology is so solid today that to not know is your native. Because if you get to the stage three, four, it's too late. So why not catch it when it's small? And if you got nothing going on, it's just like a cool update. Like it was in my father -in -law.

1:03:09We're actually will bring optimism. If there's a challenge, I want to know it now. But you know, same thing business. When I was a young man in business, I was overwhelmed with two companies. I got under 11 companies now. It was like, if someone said, there's good news and bad news, just tell me the good news, right? Now I always say, tell me the bad news. The good news will take care of itself. Tell me bad news. Let's solve it. Let's move. I think you're at the same mindset with your own health. But what you're doing, I'd like to talk to you offline about the company because we have a whole series of centers.

1:03:35We find 14 % of the people have a life threatening disease. They don't know that they have. and we are able to intervene immediately in ways that make a difference. But we also find about 68 % of people have something that could massively improve their energy level in their body, which is the basis of health, everything in your body. So whether that be hormone support, I'm not talking about replacement, I'm talking about optimization. You go to your doctor today and you're for a male and your testosterone's 150, they'll say, you're fine. But most men don't feel like a human if they don't have somewhere between 600 and 800 or more, it depends on the person.

1:04:08So you don't have to replace anything, but there are certain things that can give you vitality. We got to remember any couple centuries ago, 1800s people lived on average of 30. Now the worldwide average is 72. So it's like the world has changed and you deserve to know the breakters. You don't have to use them all you don't want to, but you should know what your options are. Well, you know, we have mental models for this too. Like you could imagine this could get as standard and unexciting like going to the dentist. You know, they go to the dentist, you get your scan like, oh man, I have a cavity.

1:04:40Okay, I'm gonna have some procedure. Take it out. It's not a big deal. It's not fun, maybe, but it's like not life threatening. You can imagine that might be the future of something like cancer, where you get your scan like, oh man, it's like stage one. I have to do some surgery or maybe take this drug by a cop super early. It's going to be very straightforward. It's not going to kill me. It might not be pleasant, but actually kind of like not going to the dentist for like a lifetime could be very unpleasant. Like not going to this could be more. Yeah, interesting. And I guess we used to die of all kinds of things that we don't have.

1:05:11That's right. We have to have an insurance company now. We're doing for businesses that's self -insured where our insurance costs the same amount, but we do all these tests in advance. And the reason we can do it, and it's profitable is because we catch it when it's small. All the money goes for those later stages when people are breaking down when it's too late. And so you change their life, you save their life, and you save economics as well. I think that's the entry point. And I think businesses are probably the entry point, as well as individuals who are gonna seek out a better quality of care.

1:05:41For employees, like one of the things that I find, which is why it's so compelling for businesses, is as a business, you've got a business incentive to not like have your employees get sick, but it also is kind of a great to your earlier point, Tony, about, okay, are you actively engaged or you actively disengaged or you kind of semi -engaged? And nothing kind of engages people more than, wow, like you're going to live a long time. We're going to take care of you. This is the thing. Life is great. That's the thing that gives people, kind of gets them fired up about work. And we kind of have this old system where businesses have to provide health insurance, but it's done in like the dumbest way imaginable, like massively expensive.

1:06:28of we don't want to pay for diagnostics. We only want to pay when you get sick and all these kinds of bananas things. So maybe that is we have disease care system, not a health care system right now. Yeah. That's going to change is because also so much is being miniaturized. That's what I want to find about what you guys are doing. I know open water is working on one in a mori. You could do in your home or like $1 ,500. I know they're not very yet, but that's their vision and direction. So much is going to be things that are tied to your risk or we're going to have that that data live. We are having it right now, but at a whole different level in the next six to 10 years.

1:07:00And I think it's going to make a giant difference. And then you look around with AI and you look around all the jobs that will be disrupted. New jobs will be created. But my bigger concern is that people, you know, people say, no one has to work. Well, that's part of the challenge here right now. People need meaning. And without, without some form of work and some people's work as play, I don't know, I assume for you guys, it's more play than work. It certainly is for me. It doesn't mean it's not hard at times, but the bottom line is you enjoy it or you wouldn't be doing it at the stage of your life You don't have to nor do I but if you can get people to experience that meaning and whatever they do But it's got to be the thing that we're somehow missing that's part of the mental health side is understanding that I'm here Something more than myself until you find something you value more than yourself that you want to serve You're going to have limited energy, limited focus, limited everything because the more you focus on yourself, the more you're miserable.

1:07:53It's just the way the mind works. Your mind is a great tool. Should be used. Don't let it use you. It's like tech. Tech sometimes starts to use us if we're not smart, right? Social media is a perfect example of that. But if you're smart, you use your mind. But your mind's never going to allow you to enjoy an apple. It's going to go is it organic? It's a huge, huge, huge question. Everything. But you know, your heart and your spirit are part of that health and getting people to experience more of that aspect of their life changes everything. The changes the meaning of their life, it makes them more fulfilled.

1:08:22And I'm really interested not in just solving a problem. I'm interested in extraordinary quality of life. Most people don't have it. Most people are overweight. Most people don't have great relationships. Most people are not financially sound. I mean, I'm not dumb. But there are a few that are. And I prefer to study the few who do and expand the few who they do to the largest number I possibly can. And then the rest I try to take care of by providing food for a billion meals as I've done or I'm now working on a hundred billion meal challenge to give you an idea because I got said when I was a little kid and 11 years old with no food changed my entire life.

1:08:55But the biggest change was not the food. It was like strangers care. That belief came out of that meal. And because of that belief, I promised myself I'd do it for somebody else someday. So when I was 17, I fed two families, then four, then eight, then twelve. And they just kept multiplying until I got to four million a year, two million from me, two million from my foundation. And then I was riding money master the game, interviewing 50 of the smartest financial people in the world, Ray Dalie, or Carl Icon, Walter D 'Ageau, Warren Buffett. And while I'm doing it, I saw they cut the food snap programs, they'll call Snap.

1:09:26And they cut it by six billion dollars, which means every family on Earth, we're not an earth in the United States that need support would have to go without one week's worth of food unless people like us jumped in. So I was like how many people I fed in my lifetime from the bridge when I started and I found out it was 42 million. I was really excited about that. But I thought what if I did that in a year? What I've done my whole life in a year did 50 million. There's like what if I did a hundred million year? What have you got a hundred million meals for a decade? Did a billion meals? And I'm proud to tell you I did it in eight years, not ten years, be finished at this last year.

1:09:58But now the issue is bigger around the world. Governor Beasley, who's just retired from the World Food Program with the UN, is now a partner in this area. And he called me up one day and he goes, it's unbelievable you've done here. But because the 80 million people normally looking for a meal that are food insecurity is 350 million this year. No one's talking about it. The Korean War has basically shut down the bread basket. The WF doesn't want people to use the pieces for fertilization that we normally use, right? And I want us to use that. And most of it comes out of Russia. So what are we going to do?

1:10:30Well, people are dying all over the place. So we got together and I opened up the Forbes Swanton P event and I brought him in and I self and both spoke. And they said, look, we're looking for 99 more people like me. I'm not a multi billionaire. And I did this. I did a hundred million meals a year for 10 years. Like there's got to be 99 more people that can do that. We need about 70 billion meals while they get the infrastructure in to deal with things over the next 10 years. I'm proud to tell you we're up to 60 billion meals in a year. So it's like what's possible can change when you educate people?

1:11:01What's possible can change when you do something people don't think is possible. And that's what I'm trying to do. I'm not pretending to have all the answers, but there are people that have the answers, whether it's health, whether it's finance. I want to go to them and I want to take what they have and bring it to people now, not 20 years from now when their clinician finally gets up to speed. That's amazing, by the way. And thank you and congratulations. And I didn't even have to thank you because I can see it's done more for you. Well, really, then anybody who's gotten a meal. It's amazing.

1:11:29I love it. Are you kidding me? I've got to meet some of these people, but very few of them out of billion meals. But feeding America has been my partner, by the way. And they're the best organization I've ever worked with. And I have worked with tons. They're really efficient here in the U .S. But now it's a bigger issue overseas as you know, and that's working on now. So you've hit on something that has been driving both Mark and I crazy and maybe you can help us with it in Silicon Valley So in Silicon Valley with the advance of AI there's all these people who are worried about what AI might automate and then their answer is This idea of universal basic income where it's like oh like we all make it so only a Smarties have to work and then you regular people well just make it so you don't have to work and you're both he and I are like Well, that's a bad idea.

1:12:16You're going to take away everybody's purpose. And by the way, you know, AI hasn't so far taken away any jobs. It doesn't look like so. We'll see how that goes. Or the net on a net basis. But kind of countering that argument is tricky in the sense that I know I'm saying, so like, you know, we have UBI for Native Americans. It's called the reservation system in a terrible. And you know, it's $65 ,000 a year piece and it does not do anything. it's the worst thing we probably ever did. But people go, well, like, what are you gonna do? And how do you think about like, what are we gonna do in these job transitions as they happen?

1:12:52Because even if we're net plus jobs, well, probably transition out of some old jobs as we always have with automation and get to the new ones. And how do you think about that? And making sure people have purpose when they lose their job and have to get retrained? I think it's one of the biggest issues that no one's paying attention to. I asked President Obama about this years ago and he's like, oh, it's not going to change that fast. I said, hey, look at what just happened in the world financial crisis. The number of jobs, people just driving ubers, taxis, and trucks. Let's just assume at some point in the near future, you're going to have the opportunity to not have a truck driver who needs health care and who will complain and can only drive eight hours a day max and takes lots of insurance.

1:13:36And now you've got truck that you can depreciate and can drive 20 fires a day without having an accident. Insurance is lower. I said, that's 8 million jobs. That's the entire number of jobs that were just lost during that time that made the economy look like it's going through the floor. That's one category. And I said, you're telling me there's no equals well, we've all discussed it with a bunch of experts and no one thinks the change can have that fast. Maybe it's right. Maybe there won't be. But there's going to be disruption. There's no question for certain jobs. And we're not preparing these people at all.

1:14:05And what happens is just giving somebody money is never enough because they need that meaning. And once they get the money, they'll want more of that money. I'm not suggesting taxing, let's say, some of these technologies separately and providing some core resources for those in the e makes sense, or somebody's displaced. That money goes for education for something new. I think that's interesting, but paying people to do nothing, I know there's some studies where they'll say, look how well this worked, but they're pretty rare and they're not long term. And so I'm very skeptical personally. Whether six needs all human beings have in my experience and that's how I manage and work with people.

1:14:39It's like I see which of those needs are kind of their top two driving force. We all need certainty, comfort, we can avoid pain, have pleasure. But if you're totally certain every moment, you be bored out of your mind. So we need uncertainty. We need variety to fill alive. Too much variety people freak out. Too much certainty to board out their mind. And there isn't like a lukewarm middle. It's more your ability to meet both needs simultaneously. There's the need for significance against to feel unique, to feel special, to feel important. You can do that by taking risks and trying to build something.

1:15:09But then if you fail, you look like your worthless and unloved. And so most people found tearing somebody else down is a much faster way to feel like I'm moving up. It's an illusion. It doesn't last, but it's become a driving force in social media, for example. You can have significance by how you dress. You can have significance by having certain crowned downs. You can have significance by knowing sports scores, many bills. You know, significance by making more money. There's so many ways to get significant. The only question is, do the ways you do it empower you or disempower you and the people around you Fourth, we need connection and love.

1:15:39Everyone needs it. Some people settle for connection because loves to scary and then the spiritual needs are number four or five We got to grow we grow we die and every six we got to contribute. So if I don't work I need something else that's gonna call me pass my certainty get me to step into the world of uncertainty, which is where all aliveness comes from. Aliveness comes from uncertainty. You're not knowing. That's where growth gets stimulated by trying something you haven't done before. We need to find better ways to feel significant by doing something useful for others as opposed to demanding significance by you calling me King Tony, because that's my new pronoun or whatever it is that you don't even need to work, right?

1:16:19Fire, probably fire, I'm not a pronoun for that one, right? So it's like, lots of ways. The question got to ask yourself, is do they serve or not? And I think our society has become very driven by certainty and by significance, but it's significance at any cost. And so I can change the colors, the pictures, and the way I look, I can tear somebody else down, look good, I can put up a flag of another country, and I don't know anything about it, but suddenly I can virtue signal, and I'm a good person. And so all that I think is starting to wear out, I hope, because we're all dying for something deeper.

1:16:52Reality TV is bullshit, so it's like, is there anything real left in our society? And I think when there's something real, people tend to move towards it. That's been one of the great things that's helped me in terms of reaching mass number of people, because you can't fake it when you're doing something 12 hours a day, four straight days and nights, giving you every ounce of your soul, people start to go, hey, this is the real thing, and then they step up because you go first. And Mark, like how do you think about this whole, oh, people don't need to work. Perhaps we should hand them money or this purpose in life.

1:17:25And if not work, then what? Yeah. So the Romans had a fundamental conception of politics and it had to do with the relationship between patron and client. And so the definition of success in Roman politics was as a politician, you wanted to be a patron to as many clients as possible. And of course, it's a dependency relationship, right? The clients are dependent on the patron. And so basically, I think that's the pattern that keeps reestablishing itself, which is, again, if you're a politician, what do you really want? You want a dependent voter base, and you want a voter basis dependent on large S and things that you can do for them, and then ultimately that resolves to handouts.

1:17:55So there's a very natural inclination in the political system to basically, let's say, farm the citizenry, what I mean farm in the sense of farm animals. It's a very natural motivation on the part of politicians. And so it, look, it's one of these things where people have the negative psychology we've been talking about, the idea of basically getting free handouts sounds pretty good. when people have real self respect and real pride, they find that to be very offensive, which is very dangerous from a political standpoint, because then they're not gonna just always vote for the person who's giving them the handout.

1:18:21And so as with all these things, it comes back to one's own view of oneself and whether one is proud of what one is doing with your life. Tony, what do you have coming up next? I got a lot of things. But one thing I've done since the very beginning of COVID is when people were stuck at home, I was like, how do I reach people and have an impact? And so I decided, I don't want money or time or travel get in the way. So I built the studio and we started doing these events for three days and we called a summit and it's called Time to Rise. Basically rise above all the BS to own yourself again, regardless of what's happening with the economy or the environment.

1:18:55What do you do with your body, your mind, your emotions, your relationships? And it's just three hours a day for three days. There's zero charge and we really have a blast. Last year we had one 20 million people join us to give you an idea for those three days. So it's coming up on January We're 25th through the 27th, and if they go to time2riseSummit .com, time2riseSummit .com. And I have a new book coming out. It's my third in the financial area. I think you guys would appreciate. This one is called The Holy Grail of Investing. And it's really based on the fact that for the last 35 years, as I'm sure you know, the S &P has been up to 9 .2 and the average, I have an equity is up to 14 .2.

1:19:37So literally 50 % better compounded per year for all those years. So I interviewed 13 of the best in the world. People like Robert Smith from VISTA partners who manage $100 billion. Vinod Kostler who's in New York category. Obviously Ramsey from Veritas, Michael Kim is considered the king basically of Korea. Got the largest fund over there in Korea doing Chinese and Asia. And I brought their principal supply. But I also wanted people to see, Maybe, probably these people producing 20 % plus compounded returns, some of them more than that for decades. But I wanted to see that they could get in the game.

1:20:12I only got into this a little bit ago, but I own a piece of 65, not funds, but the actual firms themselves. You can be a general partner or a limited partner, a limited partner as investors. A lot of times it's like, you guys pretty hard to get in there. And I was frustrated by that initially. And then I thought there were ways to actually own a piece of the businesses. So we own 65 of some of the biggest silver legs, Starwoods, this baritone. It's pretty exciting because you get the two and 20 as a partner in this right alongside it. So I explain that, explain how you can now own a part, small portion of a sports team where they've averaged 18 % versus the 9 .2 over the last 10 years.

1:20:51And they're not just putting butts and seats now. Now it's a different game or private credit where there as a compliment the bonds where people can see two to three times returns. So the book is all about those principles and tools and it comes out on, I believe, February 13th, actually. So hopefully people will join us and go to time to rise .com. There's no charge for it. I'd love to serve them. All right. And that, that sounds exciting. I think I'll be joining that. So thank you again. With that sense, we've taken so much of Tony's time. And by the way, I've enjoyed tremendously. Thank you so much for coming on.

1:21:26Thank you guys. I really appreciate your time and your energy and more importantly, I appreciate what you're doing the world. Blessings to you all. All right. Thank you so much and right back at you. Thank you. Thank you Johnny. Yay.