Is the Future of AI "Cheating on Everything?"

23 Apr 2025 · 25 min

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Podcast Summary: The AI Daily Brief - Episode: Is the Future of AI "Cheating on Everything?"

Overview The episode discusses the controversial AI startup "Clearly," founded by Roy Lee, which promotes an AI tool to assist with real-time answers during professional situations like job interviews, exams, and meetings. The company sparked intense debate with its manifesto titled "We Want to Cheat on Everything."

Key Topics

  1. Clearly's Manifesto and Product
  2. Manifesto Highlights:
  3. Advocates for using AI to "cheat" in various situations, promoting efficiency over traditional methods.
  4. Suggests that technology often faces initial backlash but ultimately becomes normalized.
  5. Product Features:
  6. Provides real-time assistance during screen sharing, designed for applications in job interviews, meetings, and exams.
  7. Advertised as "invisible AI," aiming to enhance performance without detection.
  1. Background of Roy Lee
  2. Lee faced suspension from Columbia University after publicizing his use of an AI tool to excel in tech interviews.
  3. The emphasis on virality and distribution in startup success is a central theme for Lee, indicating his belief that attention drives future opportunities.
  1. Public Reactions
  2. Criticism:
  3. Many view the product as fostering laziness and undermining the learning process.
  4. Critics argue that it promotes a culture of dependency on AI, leading to a lack of growth and integrity.
  5. Support:
  6. Some argue that using AI tools can highlight flaws in existing systems, suggesting that "cheating" can reveal systemic weaknesses.
  7. Others posit that real-time information access can lead to intelligence amplification, improving efficiency and results.
  1. Market Implications
  2. Competitive Landscape:
  3. Concerns arise regarding companies like Amazon and Google, particularly in relation to their handling of AI tools and customer satisfaction.
  4. As Cluely pushes forward, there is speculation about how other startups and established companies will adapt or respond.
  5. Potential Business Opportunities:
  6. Investor predictions include the rise of startups focused on creating secure environments for interviews to combat rampant cheating.
  1. Ethical Considerations
  2. The ethical ramifications of using AI in high-stakes situations like interviews and exams are heavily contested.
  3. The conversation highlights the need to draw distinctions between acceptable and unacceptable uses of AI assistance.

Key Takeaways

  • Virality and Distribution: Roy Lee's strategy underscores the importance of virality in startup culture, particularly when competing in a crowded market.
  • AI's Role in Society: As AI tools become integrated into daily life, society must navigate the complexities of their ethical implications and potential for misuse.
  • Future Considerations: The emergence of AI tools like Cluely may lead to a fundamental shift in how we view skills acquisition, learning, and professional integrity.

Conclusion The episode raises critical questions about the evolving relationship between AI and human capabilities, urging listeners to consider the balance between leveraging technology for efficiency and maintaining the integrity of personal and professional development. The future is likely to be filled with more such tools, and public discourse will be essential in shaping their acceptance and application.

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0:00Today on the AI Daily Brief, is the future of AI cheating on everything? Before then, in the headlines, is Amazon fumbling the Anthropic bag? The AI Daily Brief is a daily podcast and video about the most important news and discussions in AI. To join the conversation, follow the Discord link in our show notes. Welcome back to the AI Daily Brief Headlines Edition, all the daily AI news you need in around five minutes.

0:24Well, it appears that Amazon is fumbling their deployment of Anthropic's AI models. Last year, you might remember the company invested about$8 billion into a partnership with Anthropic to provide their models through AWS Bedrock Infrastructure. The information, however, reports that the service leaves a lot to be desired, writing, Customers who have used Bedrock say its API puts arbitrary limits on how much they can use Anthropic's models and lacks features they want. Now, AWS claims that usage limits are common in the industry, but the issues imply that they either don't have enough server capacity or are reserving too much for certain large customers.

0:57Sources familiar with the internal conversation told the information that some senior executives are referring to the situation as a disaster. A consulting firm executive said that AWS is at risk of losing its standing with startups over the issue. Several customers told the information, in fact, that problems with Bedrock are so bad that they've reverted to using Anthropics' own APIs to get reliable access to the models. An Amazon spokesperson pushed back on the story, claiming that AWS has tens of thousands of customers using Anthropics' models through Bedrock, and that the service is seeing unprecedented to demand.

1:28They also defended the practice of rate limiting, stating that AWS uses them to ensure fair access. They shared a statement that said, the information's suggestion that rate limits are a response to capacity constraints or that Amazon Bedrock is not equipped to support customers' needs is false. However, none of those comments really strike at the heart of the issue, which is that AWS risks losing startup customers if they can't offer reliable service. The AI coding companies in particular are some of the fastest scalers in recent memory, So losing them at this early stage could be a disaster.

1:56Sources said that AWS leaders recently discussed concerns that Lovable would defect from Bedrock due to its inability to keep up with fast-growing demand. Lovable CEO Anton Oseka confirmed the company is now using Anthropics' Direct API, commenting, I know that we want to get the best possible terms, and we need the most recent features. And the most recent features comes to Anthropics first. Anton declined to comment on whether the company is still using Bedrock, though AWS employees insisted that Lovable is still an active and growing customer. Over the past few months, the issues have reportedly been getting worse.

2:26During one incident in April, AWS was rate-limited to 5 requests per minute. Anthropic's native API, on the other hand, was still handling 50 requests per minute. Another problem has been the delay to implement new features. Anthropic introduced prompt caching in December, which allows repeated prompts to return an automatic response without being processed by the model. That feature wasn't implemented into Bedrock, however, until earlier this month. If there are any takeaways, it's that AI Cloud is still very much up for grabs. One of Amazon's suggested solutions to rate limits is a service called Provision Throughput, which charges per hour for inference time rather than per token.

3:00Consultants, however, said that startups find it difficult to forecast how much usage they need and have a much easier time with per-token pricing. Is this all great for Google? Time will tell, but it's certainly not great for Amazon. Now, speaking of Google, they are also in the news for reasons they probably don't want to be. According to DOJ prosecutors in their ongoing antitrust case, Google paid Samsung a, quote, enormous sum of money to pre-install the Gemini app on their phone and other devices. The contract provided fixed monthly payment for each device and was set to run for two years.

3:28Samsung would also receive a cut of ad revenue from advertisements displayed in the app. Prosecutors called this the monopolist playbook at work. That said, this type of paid-for pre-installs are a pretty common practice in tech. And yet, this is always an area where antitrust regulators have a big issue. Microsoft famously suffered one of the largest antitrust penalties in modern history after pre-installing Internet Explorer for Windows in the late 90s. Google themselves received the largest European antitrust fine in history over pre-installs of Chrome on Android devices. Seven years on, the company is still appealing the$4.9 billion fine.

4:00What's interesting to me about this is that it seems pretty clear that AI and AI positioning is getting swept up into these ongoing antitrust suits that started before AI. These things really could have impact on how the industry shakes out. Interestingly, Google's upstart search rival, Perplexity, has been asked to testify in the remedy phase of the DOJ's antitrust case against Google, and actually arguing that they don't want Google to be broken up. Perplexity CEO Aravant Trinovas said that he intends to testify that Chrome should remain within and continue to be run by Google, but that Android should become more open to consumer choice.

4:32They said, we don't believe anyone else can run a browser at that scale without a hit on quality, nor the business model to be able to serve that many users profitably by keeping the browser free. At the same time, however, he took issue with Android. He said that the way that Android setup, products like Perplexity's AI Assistant have a hard time competing. And in any case, all of these antitrust questions are clearly coming home to ruse for AI and will impact how the industry evolves. Lastly today, ChatGPT's search appears to be growing at a rapid clip in Europe. In their latest update on EU usage, OpenAI disclosed that monthly active users have grown to 41.3 million as of the end of March.

5:09That's almost four times more than the 11.2 million they reported at the end of October. These numbers are part of mandatory reporting under the EU Digital Services Act, so we don't have any insight into growth in other regions. Now, for a comparison, Google Search has an estimated 332 million monthly active users, at least as of 2023, which implies that ChatGPT's search is already in the ballpark of 8 % market share if it were included in standard search engine statistics. The math is a little bit fuzzy, but Bing and Yandex, the closest competitors to Google Search, each command less than 4.5 % of the market.

5:41And indeed, looking around the recent takes on AI search, it does feel like we've hit an inflection point. In a recent blog post, Simon Wilson wrote about how LLMs recently crossed the threshold where they're now reliable enough to trust for low-stakes research. He commented, why visit websites if you can get your answers directly from the chatbot instead? I can feel my usage of Google search taking a nosedive already. He also added that this isn't all necessarily exclusively positive, saying, I expect a bumpy ride as a new economic model for the web lurches into view. So friends, interesting things happening in the world of AI, but that's going to do it for today's AI Daily Brief Headlines edition.

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9:48concerned with about in AI, while to others, this is just a straight-up preview of the future and one that they think there's much to be excited about. So what the heck is this company, and why are people freaking out about this? The company comes from Roy Lee, a 21-year-old founder who went viral last month telling the story of how they got suspended from Colombia for cheating on tech internship interviews. Roy wrote a long viral thread about his experience. Roy and his co-founder had developed an AI tool that could ace leet code testing commonly used in the interview process. The way that Roy described it was a cheating tool for leet code style technical interviews.

10:27Now, Roy points out that they had read the Columbia Student Handbook first and argued that the tool didn't violate any policies. The goal was to go viral. As he put it, use the tool to get offers from top tech companies, film it, and ride the shock factor. Now, there's a whole element about this on the nature of virality and distribution, which we'll get into in a little bit. but where Roy is coming from is very clearly a belief that you have to have distribution first. Now, the tool worked. Lee got offers from Meta, TikTok, Capital One, and Amazon. He even recorded the entire Amazon interview and published it, which led to Amazon leaning on Columbia to, quote, take proper action against Lee, which led to him getting suspended from the company for a year.

11:05Now, back then, even before this new company, clearly, the entire episode was extremely divisive. Some condemned Lee for hacking his way through this interview process. Others scolded him for throwing away his Ivy League education to go viral. But as I mentioned, Roy had come to the conclusion that virality and distribution were more important to his future success than an Ivy League education. And now he has put that logic right back into Cluely, which announced itself this week with a highly viral product ad and a manifesto on the future of AI titled, We Want to Cheat on Everything. The ad features Lee going on a date while using the product, which is depicted as a digital assistant appearing through AR glasses, although Cluey is not actually AR glasses.

11:44It helps the young man featured in the ad pretend to be an artifician in auto and lie about his age. The tagline is invisible AI to cheat on everything. The actual product itself is intended to be used on a desktop rather than in a real-life scenario, but it's being promoted as being undetectable during screen sharing. It listens to audio and can feed the user the information they need in real time to navigate exams, sales calls, and of course, job interviews. Along with the ad, Cluey released a manifesto. It's short enough that I'm just going to read it. They write, we want to cheat on everything.

12:14Yep, you heard that right. Sales calls, meetings, negotiations. If there's a faster way to win, we'll take it. We built Cluey so you never have to think alone again. It sees your screen, here's your audio, feeds you answers in real time. While others guess, you're already right. And yes, the world will call it cheating. But so was the calculator. So was spellcheck. So was Google. Every time technology makes us smarter, the world panics. Then it adapts. Then it forgets. And suddenly, it's normal. But this is different. AI isn't just another tool. It will redefine how our world works. Why memorize facts, write code, research anything when a model can do it in seconds?

12:49The best communicator, the best analyst, the best problem solver is now the one who knows how to ask the right question. The future won't reward effort. It'll reward leverage. So start cheating, because when everyone does, no one is. Investor Nakunj Kothari wrote,

13:12On the one side of the conversation were people like Twitter user Cody Blakeney, who wrote, Imagine making a black mirror short as a product ad. Twitter user Chris, who works on Subsea Robotics, wrote,

13:35laziness, intellectual theft, and a nihilistic worldview that mistakes shortcuts for success. Referring to the line, we want to cheat on everything, he says, this is not a bold vision, it's surrender. Rather than using technology to elevate human capability, clearly tells you to stop trying altogether. It weaponizes defeatism. Don't strive, don't learn, don't build, just win by outsourcing your mind to a machine. It's not ambition, it's an abdication of responsibility. When it comes to feeding you answers in real time, Chris argues that while this pretends to be about performance, it's built on fear.

14:03Fear of being wrong, fear of thinking, fear of wrestling with hard problems. On their assertion that the future won't reward effort, it'll reward leverage, Chris writes, This is Silicon Valley rot at its worst. Strip away the euphemism and what you're left with is a doctrine that effort, integrity, and expertise are just obsolete. Just find the newest shiny object and ride it to the top. Ultimately, he says, This isn't visionary, it's cynical. It asks nothing of the user. No growth, no improvement, no principles. Just passive consumption. And in doing so, it turns the human being into a vessel for software prompts.

14:31If Cluelay wins, the future will be filled with people who can parrot perfect answers they didn't write, understand, or care about. A world of hollow competence. No thinking, no originality, no soul. Quixote Sword writes, You are moral imbeciles. You compare tools that render certain skills unnecessary, the calculator, to lying about who you are and lying about your own abilities. Why take a walk when you could look at things through VR glasses? Why prepare your own food when you could order a meal delivery? Why raise your own kids when you could pay someone else? Why even have kids when you could pay someone else to have them?

15:00Now this one was on the original thread and Roy bit back, saying every single example you cited is something positive that should and does exist in the real world. And he actually goes through point by point. Why take a walk when you could look at things through VR glasses? He says this is good. Everyone loves that VR and computers let you experience nature. This tech is a net positive for society. Even though the tech exists, people still go outside. On food and meal delivery, he says DoorDash and Uber Eats is a net positive for society. And even though the tech exists, people still prepare their own food.

15:27On Raising Your Own Kids, he says nannies have existed forever and they are net positive for society, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. He concludes every single thing here is a positive and proof that just because tech enables something different doesn't mean the end of society. Now, part of the issue here, as you can probably tell, was articulated by Colin D who writes, genuinely curious why you chose this go-to-market route versus targeting knowledge workers with a near real-time audio video screen share AI interface. To me, this would make way more sense for things like pair programming, research, due diligence, accounting, et cetera.

15:56Roy responds, this is actually our go-to-market. this video is just a viral company launch video. And I think that people are definitely responding to the fact that the example they chose to highlight in this video is a guy who's just straight up lying about who he is to a potential date. I think very reasonably people feel like there's something much more sacred about lying to a potential relationship partner than there is about closing a deal on a sales call. Now, as I mentioned before, Roy is very convinced that virality and distribution are the keys to startup success. In fact, in a LinkedIn post, he talks about that video that got him kicked out of Colombia.

16:30He said, my core thesis is that the only thing that works at this stage is organic virality. You simply don't have the capital or recognition to get attention any other way. Nobody's watching your podcast, nobody's reading your newsletter, nobody's reading your lame a** tweets, and you can't afford ads. The only thing that matters is top of the funnel, so you must do something that goes viral. Ultimately, he says, build with virality in mind, trust your instincts, and take more risks. And so clearly the bet here is that this very personal example, which they knew would be much more controversial, was engineered specifically to generate the type of conversation it has.

17:01And the video has been viewed nearly 10 million times at this point, so it's hard to argue that it wasn't effective, at least if the metric of success is just attention. Now, there were also people who came to Cluley's defense. Signal writes, what people don't understand is that cheating in its rawest form is just an exploit, and exploits exist because systems are imperfect. When people cheat, they are not necessarily breaking rules. They're revealing where the rules were already broken. It's a stress test. It's adversarial R &D. In school, if everyone's cheating, maybe the system is incentivizing memorization over understanding.

17:30Cheating is an important feedback loop for society, for humanity. The real danger isn't cheating. It's pretending the system is just fine when it clearly isn't. This is why software like this is insanely interesting. It reveals societal truths and helps us paradoxically be a better version of ourselves. Sam Green writes, Many will call real-time access to LLMs cheating. Eventually, we'll call it what it really is, intelligence amplification. It starts with an AI that can process visuals and audios from your computer, but it'll eventually escape that containment barrier and bleed into most situations in life like the internet did over the last few decades.

18:02For years, folks have flocked to search engines for their daily work and life challenges. For example, think of the joke about coding actually being 90 % Googling. Today, thanks to LLMs, we've already witnessed the time gap between what would have been a Googled problem and a search result solution shrink to almost instantaneous. I expect this trend to accelerate. Intelligence amplification is often defined as the augmentation of human cognitive abilities through the seamless integration of technology. Much like the world adapted to computers and later smartphones, we'll adapt to intelligence amplifying technology that instantly orients us to anything we're looking at or listening to.

18:32But he says, until you can download skills and memories directly into your brain, approaching intelligence amplification through the lens of cheating has limitations. You can't cheat real expertise, discerning taste, great communication skills, and critical thinking ability. In fact, those qualities become even more valuable as this technology becomes widely adopted. And I think the key to having a sort of middle-of-the-line take about Cluelly is to be able to do a thing that they're not actually doing in their manifesto and in their ad, which is distinguishing between different contexts and different examples of where this sort of so-called cheating might and might not be appropriate.

19:04Writer John Stokes wrote a piece called indefensivecluely.com, and he sums up his thoughts in the section called The Demo is Dumb, But the Promise is Real. He writes, So the kid in the demo was trying to use his AI-powered smart glasses to solve a problem that apparently he has. A total lack of what the kids call Riz. I, a father of three, do not have this young man's particular problem. I do not lack Riz, obviously, and even if I did, Riz is no longer the critical path of anything I'm trying to obtain. But I do have other, more dad-specific problems. For instance, I am a dad who sometimes has to do things to cars, like change the windshield wiper, or check a fluid level or interpret a dash light or put some chains on tires.

19:38This usually involves holding my phone in one hand with YouTube playing and doing the car thing with the other hand. I also have to do things around the house that involve hot water heaters, breaker boxes, generators, and many other tasks that, again, involve a mixture of YouTube, PDFs from manufacturer websites, tools, and frustration. I want the Cluley glasses real bad for these kind of tasks. I want to cheat on every single upgrade, repair, replacement, hack, and monkey patch that I do as a homeowner and automobile driver. But then it gets really interesting, and John continues, If I owned a factory, I would want employees to cheat, quote-unquote, with Cluely as they worked the machines and did all their troubleshooting and QA.

20:10If I owned a restaurant, I would want newly hired waiters to use Cluely to identify by name any repeat customers in their recent orders. And I would also want to have some scripts ready for them, just like in the video, about the specials and what to do in situations where the food is late and the customer is mad and so on. I could make up examples all day. It doesn't even take much imagination. AI augmented AR has tons of obvious potential to yield massive savings in employee training and onboarding in many categories of businesses. Cluely is ultimately just one example of a new category of AI-enabled tools that will change how we live and work.

20:40Maybe Cluely itself will go bust. I have no idea if the founder knows what he's doing or not. But something like this has the potential to make all of our lives a little easier and to instantly upscale many types of employees. So I think Cluely is kind of great, or at least points the way to something great. I could certainly do without all the obvious scumbaggery on display in the launch, but all that aside, there's definitely something here. So here's to Cluely, or at least the virtuous practical version of it that's inevitably coming to market. And I think this is really key here. One, I completely agree with John that this category of tooling is absolutely inevitable.

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21:14Real-time immediate information accessibility is just going to be a part of our lives. It will be incumbent upon society to decide where and in what ways we think that's appropriate. Obviously, it's going to exist on a spectrum. On the one end of the spectrum, let's take sales calls. Do we really think that there are a lot of people out there who have some huge moral issue with a sales representative having better real-time information about the customer they're trying to convert. Even if the customer knew they had access to that, the whole thing that they're looking for out of a sales relationship is being understood.

21:44If there are tools that allow them to be understood faster without them gabbing as much, that's probably a net thing for everyone involved in the exchange. On the other end of the spectrum is the example chosen by Cluely to highlight, which is real, important human relationships. And I think this is the one where if you surveyed 100 people, the biggest majority of them, would not be super down with this. Reducing important human relationships to trivial games to be won or lost is a pretty sure sign that someone hasn't had really important relationships that go beyond those first couple interactions.

22:15In other words, getting to a second date may be a win, but if you think like that, you probably don't realize that you're not actually just playing a game. It's the middle that's going to be harder, honestly. Now certainly Roy and his co-founders might have a different take on those human relationships, and I think that we can't discount how wildly generational value changes could happen in this new world. But given all of Roy's comments on virality, let's take it for granted that he is just trying to engineer conversation, and that he might even agree that on the spectrum of use cases, this isn't really where Cluey wants to focus.

22:47Okay, so we have large consensus that sales are fine, but that relationship cheating is not, at least to the extent that anything can have consensus in this world. What's really going to be complicated is everything in the middle. The original cheating that inspired this whole thing, these coding exams, are a great example of where the messy middle exists. On the one hand, these firms are genuinely trying to understand someone's capability to do the type of work that they're going to be called upon to do. However, the person who's doing the cheating is basically demonstrating how they're going to do that work in practice with the help of LLMs.

23:19And in that case, we get to the very complicated area of how much it matters not just to have the skill, but to have learned the skill the hard way. I guess my sense is that over time, it seems unlikely to me that we'll fully lose the value of skills acquisition, but it is going to change in ways that I don't fully understand yet. What's also true though, is that society and markets are self-correcting and that to the extent all these things that some people are freaking out about become norms, there will be other market actors who run in completely the opposite direction and give people the option at least to go it in a different way.

23:54Completely separate from the clearly conversation, I noticed investor Gokul Rajaram, post on both LinkedIn and Twitter recently a request for startups for interview centers. Gokul writes, here's a prediction. The need to remotely screen scores of candidates coupled with the increasingly rampant cheating on remote interviews is going to lead to a startup or startups building out clean room interview centers where candidates will not have access to any aids, tools, or AI agents to help them. There will be human proctors overseeing the interviews. They will crop up in major metros to start with, but then there will be one within a few miles or kilometers of every town, similar to SAT or GRE test centers.

24:27Pricing will be pretty simple per candidate fee might be higher for higher pay technical roles since cheating will be more sophisticated for those roles. This is an extremely successful investor. Gokul's on the board of Pinterest and DoorDash, who's basically watching this whole conversation around Cluley and saying, while all you yuckles debate about whether this is happening, I'm just going to make money from the startup that comes to help calibrate the downside from this. So I don't know, man, the world is going to get weirder. There's going to be more, not less Cluleys. Ultimately, I'm optimistic that we'll figure it out.

24:54But I do think being loud about our opinions about these things is a part of that figuring it out. So whether you love this or loathe this, keep saying so publicly. And hey, if nothing else, maybe you'll end up on the show one day. For now, that's going to do it for today's AI Daily Brief. Until next time, peace.

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NLW covers the intense debate around AI startup "Clearly." Founded by 21-year-old Roy Lee, the company sparked controversy with its provocative manifesto, "We Want to Cheat on Everything." The startup promotes real-time AI assistance to give users instant answers during job interviews, exams, and meetings.
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