Why AGI is a Useless Term for Businesses

23 Mar 2025 · 12 min

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Episode Title

Why AGI is a Useless Term for Businesses Date: [Date of the episode if available] Host: NLW

Episode Overview In this episode, NLW discusses why the concept of Artificial General Intelligence (AGI) is largely irrelevant for businesses today. Drawing insights from AI engineer Dave Pittman's article "Escape Velocity, Why We Don't Need AGI," the episode explores the limitations of AGI and introduces the alternative framework of Self-Sustaining Escape Velocity (SEV).

Key Themes

  • AGI and Its Implications
  • AGI is often viewed as a solution that can exponentially accelerate problem-solving capabilities. The traditional idea is that AGI could think faster than humans, leading to advancements in various fields at unprecedented speeds.
  • However, the host posits that the quest for AGI may distract businesses from more immediate and practical AI solutions that are already available.
  • Self-Sustaining Escape Velocity (SEV)
  • SEV is introduced as a new framework that focuses on continuous improvement of AI systems without the need for AGI.
  • The approach emphasizes creating self-improving AI systems through feedback loops, where new AI models enhance and refine existing models.

Discussion Highlights

AGI

Theoretical Benefits vs. Practical Needs

  • Presumed Benefits of AGI
  • Hypothetical acceleration in intelligence could lead to breakthroughs in complex challenges (e.g., cancer research, climate change).
  • AGI is expected to provide "zero-cost intelligence" by operating continuously and rapidly generating solutions.
  • Limitations and Uncertainty of AGI
  • There is significant uncertainty about when AGI will be realized or whether its operational costs will become trivial.
  • The episode suggests that businesses should not wait for AGI but instead focus on existing AI capabilities.

Introduction to Self-Sustaining Escape Velocity (SEV)

  • Concept of SEV
  • SEV posits that by establishing a self-improving system, AI can reach a point where it continuously enhances itself without human intervention.
  • Key components of SEV include:
  • Reinforcement Learning Policy: Steering AI evaluations effectively.
  • Synthetic Data Generation: Emphasizing quality data over quantity.
  • Optimized Feedback Loops: Minimizing inefficiencies in the improvement process.

Evaluating AI Performance

  • Focus on Evaluation:
  • The episode stresses the importance of evaluating AI based on its ability to solve challenges rather than trying to measure intelligence in human-like terms.
  • Transitive Improvement Domains:
  • SEV is particularly effective in domains where improvements can build on one another, such as legal contract summarization.

Arguments Against AGI for Businesses

  • Current AI Capabilities Are Sufficient:
  • Many businesses can leverage existing AI technologies to enhance their operations significantly.
  • The gap lies not in the capabilities of AI but in integrating these capabilities within business processes.
  • Distracting Terminology:
  • Fixation on AGI may hinder businesses from capitalizing on current AI advancements.
  • The urgency should be on deploying existing models effectively rather than getting caught up in future possibilities.

Conclusion NLW concludes the episode by reiterating that businesses should focus on harnessing the capabilities of current AI technologies rather than waiting for the elusive AGI. The insights drawn from Dave Pittman's perspective on SEV provide a pragmatic approach to navigating the AI landscape.

Closing Thoughts

  • Businesses should prioritize immediate AI solutions to enhance operations rather than remain fixated on the theoretical promise of AGI.
  • Continuous improvement through frameworks like SEV can lead to significant advancements without waiting for AGI.

Resources

  • [Link to Dave Pittman's article](https://edave.substack.com/p/escape-velocity-why-we-dont-need)
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0:00Today on the AI Daily Brief, why AGI is a useless term for businesses. The AI Daily Brief is a daily podcast and video about the most important news and discussions in AI. To join the conversation, follow the Discord link in our show notes.

0:19Hello, friends. Welcome back to another Long Reads episode. Today, we get to talk about a topic that I think about a lot. In fact, it's sort of constantly lurking in my conversations that we're having with businesses when we're helping them figure out agents that's super intelligent. Luckily, we got a piece written this week by AI engineer Dave Pittman that gives us a chance to talk about this theme. Dave's piece is called Escape Velocity, Why We Don't Need AGI. His question? What happens when the trajectory of improvement increases so fast we don't care about AGI? And this one, the reading is not AI, this is actually me.

0:51Dave writes, One of the presumed benefits of AGI is that it will lead to a superhuman acceleration in intelligence, which will then unlock discoveries and advances across, well, everything. The basic argument is that if an AGI is just as smart as humans but can think much faster, it will be able to find solutions to problems at previously unbelievable speeds. Trying to figure out how to make fusion work, a bunch of PhD brains can only think of new ideas and reason through them so fast, often in months or years. With an AGI, the speed limit is theoretically how much computing power we give it. Unlike a human, the AGI can work 24-7, and again, we assume, come up with new ideas and test them out a thousand times faster.

1:26Suddenly, a lot of challenges we are facing at humanity scale seem tractable because we have zero cost intelligence. Trying out combinations of proteins for new cancer therapies? Just ask a few data centers. Test out many, many ideas of how to reduce carbon emissions during concrete manufacturing? Done. Design ultra-efficient antennas for global internet? Kick off the task on Friday, come back on Monday is the promise. There's just one problem. It's not clear when we will get both AGI itself and AGI that is so cheap its inputs, novel data for a task, energy for computation, chips, etc., are a rounding error.

1:58However, it turns out we don't need AGIs, or AGI that is universally cheap. We are on the verge of achieving a new type of AI improvement that I call self-sustaining escape velocity, or SEV. Once you have achieved escape velocity, having an AGI becomes irrelevant. It will be easiest to understand SEV if we talk first about a few other ideas to help frame our thinking. The first is a classic lesson for startups. Always hire someone who is smarter than the last person you hired. By following this rule, as your company grows, it actually becomes more capable. It's often assumed that this is very difficult because of the Peter Principle, or basically, how can you actually know if someone is smarter than you?

2:32However, this assumption is based on knowing how someone is smarter than you rather than merely establishing someone is smarter. The second scenario, establishing intelligence, is much easier. At its most basic level, give someone a challenge you failed to solve, and if they solve it, they're smarter. The key lesson here is that we should, for the purposes of SEV, focus on evaluations rather than understanding AI performance. Our second mental framework is to think about improving foundation models and their scaling laws as suffering from Shailovsky's rocket equation, also known as the tyranny of the rocket equation.

2:59The rocket equation says that trying to launch larger and larger rockets becomes less and less efficient. This is due to a larger rocket needing even more fuel, which causes the rocket to weigh more, which in turn means you need more fuel to launch your now heavier rocket. Once you reach escape velocity, however, the balance has tipped in favor of your rocket and it is no longer at risk of crashing back down. Currently, Foundation model providers are struggling with a similar problem of more capable models requiring even more data, as they begun to rely on synthetic data generated by other AI models, it also becomes harder to build the larger model.

3:27Because an even bigger synthetic data model is needed to generate more sophisticated data, which in turn requires, you can see where this is going. When people talk about the benefits of compounding intelligence and breakthroughs made by AGI, they are primarily referring to the concept that an AGI has reached an intellectual escape velocity, where all of the reasoning done by the model improves its answer or solution. So foundation models are collapsing under their own weight, and we don't know how to know if they're improving. What's an AI company to do? I think we should pursue a new strategy, self-sustaining escape velocity or SEV.

3:56The promise of SEV is this. Just keep dumping in some basic resource, computer memory, and arrange your AI in a feedback loop to generate results that build on top of themselves. Once you have an AI in a setup where it can produce a better AI, your only constraint is how fast you can fuel the rocket engine. The core of SEV is a hands-off feedback loop. Each time a new AI model is created, it is evaluated using a more sophisticated benchmark that is the result of the previous AI model, the baseline, pruning down the problem space into problems it cannot solve. The new model is a candidate to replace the old model.

4:24If the candidate proves that it is indeed smarter than an old model, it becomes the baseline model. This new and improved baseline model is then used to challenge our synthetic data generation model in a critic adversarial fashion to produce a higher quality model for synthetic data generation. Now our baseline model and our synthetic generation model have both been leveled up so we can repeat the process without human intervention. If our process is truly self-sustaining, then the only external input it needs is more compute power and time and memory to improve itself. And if our rate of self-improvement is fast enough, then our model improvement process will reach a point of escape velocity where improvements are not just linear or additive, but exponentially compounding.

4:58Compare this to our current scaling laws where if we see foundation models have crossed over the tipping point and are achieving sublinear gains in performance for their resource inputs, they're going to teeter and effectively fall back to earth. Today's episode is brought to you by Superintelligent and more specifically, Super's Agent Readiness Audits. If you've been listening for a while, you have probably heard me talk about this, But basically, the idea of the agent readiness audit is that this is a system that we've created to help you benchmark and map opportunities in your organizations where agents could specifically help you solve your problems, create new opportunities in a way that, again, is completely customized to you.

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7:38Two, generation of synthetic data that focuses on quality rather than quantity. Three, a highly optimized feedback loop to overcome drag in the system that will prevent achieving escape velocity. So why does SEV mean we don't have to care about AGI? With AGI, we're building a universal hammer that can be great at everything. However, I have yet to come across many, if any, use cases where someone actually wants AGI. Instead, they usually need a more specialized AI that has performance good enough that it feels smarter than the smartest person in the room. Pursuing AGI is one way, via boiling the oceans, to get to this.

8:09SEV, on the other hand, is a more targeted approach that focuses on setting up a system that can self-approve an AI in a limited domain. This domain must be conductive to transitive improvements, meaning we can assume improvements to our AI can stack on top of each other. An example of a domain with good transitive properties is summarizing legal contracts. A domain like contemporary performance art is not. In my experience, though, most problems that businesses care about solving are in transitive domains. Existing neural net models lend themselves to performing well in transitive domains, and the recent success of test-time compute for reasoning models is another win in favor of transitive domains.

8:40As an AI CEO or CTO looking for predictability in all this chaos, SEV is a very attractive approach. It's notoriously difficult to establish a stable trajectory in your AI improvements, which in turn means it's nearly impossible to predict where you'll be in a few months, let alone a year, or the time horizon for your next funding round. With SEV, we've wrangled this chaos into a more predictable trajectory that is based more on resources than engineering sweat and AI researcher talent. The good news is that many pieces of SEV already exist. We're seeing massive leaps in making RL stable and easy to use.

9:08Likewise, with synthetic data generation, we've reached large enough models to overcome earlier shortcomings. Although it hasn't been widely appreciated, DeepSeq's AI optimizations are the start of an avalanche of infrastructure improvements we will see over the next several years. So there you have it. SEV gives us a shortcut to get what we want out of AGI without having to build AGI itself. This post lays out the strategy for SEV, but there are still many open questions in the tactics to implement SEV. I would not be surprised to see many variants emerge that leverage hacks in specific areas.

9:34As an early reader of a draft put it, reaching SEV may reduce to a challenge of who can find the most impactful problem and solution space where the AI's quality is relatively cheaply measurable. All right, so that is Dave's contribution to this discourse. Now he is of course coming at it from a builder's perspective and thinking about how to set models on a trajectory for continuous improvement. Implicit in that is a critique of this over fixation we have on this nebulous point in the future, which we call AGI and which itself is still fairly ill-defined. Again, coming at this from a technical perspective, Dave is saying we don't need AGI because we can get continuous improvement without having to worry about that term one way or another.

10:09But I'm coming at this from a different side. When you're thinking about it from a business perspective, why we don't need AGI is even simpler. The fixation on AGI is a fixation on a future point at which AI is spectacularly better than what we have now. But AI right now is spectacular. A huge portion of knowledge work right now can be done as well by AI as it can by humans. Nearly all knowledge work at this point is going to be better by a human at least using AI. It's very clear from some recent moments like the Manus agent that we're still underutilizing the capabilities of the models that we even have right now.

10:48The rate-limiting factors when it comes to AI impacting business is not currently about capabilities. It's about systems, new processes, integration, deployment, new ways of structuring operations, and new ways of thinking. In fact, I would argue that right now, capabilities are growing at a faster rate than businesses' ability to integrate them. Now, I don't want to diminish the possibility and potentiality of this grand utopian idea of AGI that really can solve a huge swath of the world's problems that we can't right now. I'm not at all trying to argue that that wouldn't be unbelievably transformational in a way that just more efficient and more complex marketing could never be.

11:25What I'm saying, though, is that for the practical lived reality of most businesses and people who are deploying AI to make their work better in some way, what we have right now is already a staggering leap into the future. And the work to be done simply to catch up to the capabilities facing us right here is enormous. Getting stuck on terminology is a sure way to get left behind. And so I think for the moment, businesses and enterprises can fairly safely leave the AGI discussions to the researchers and the future society designers, and just focus on the power that is sitting there at their fingertips.

11:58Anyways, a great piece by Dave Pittman. Thanks again for writing it. That is going to do it for today's AI Daily Brief. Appreciate you listening or watching as always, and until next time, peace.

12:12Thank you.

From the publisher

All of the frontier labs are racing for AGI, but in this episode, NLW argues that the concept of AGI is most irrelevant and distracting for all practical purposes for businesses.

Source piece: https://edave.substack.com/p/escape-velocity-why-we-dont-need


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