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AI Daily Brief Episode Notes: Why OpenAI's $2000/Month Model Isn't Crazy
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- Title: The AI Daily Brief (Formerly The AI Breakdown)
- Description: A daily news analysis show covering the spectrum of artificial intelligence topics, from creative tools to ethical considerations of AI.
Episode Summary
Episode Title
Why OpenAI's $2000/Month Model Isn't Crazy
- Main Focus: An exploration of the rationale behind OpenAI potentially introducing a $2,000/month subscription for advanced AI models, and its implications for businesses and AI's role in the workforce.
Episode Highlights
- OpenAI Pricing Rumors
- Discussion on the rumored $2,000/month subscription plan for advanced models like Orion and Strawberry.
- Perspective that this pricing may not be as unreasonable as it seems.
- Current OpenAI Developments
- OpenAI reportedly reaching a valuation of over $120 billion with new fundraising efforts.
- Recent announcement of 1 million paid users in enterprise offerings, up from 600,000 since April.
- Implications for Businesses
- The potential shift of AI from a tool for individuals to being seen as an independent worker.
- Discussion on whether advanced AI could replace certain job functions, changing productivity dynamics.
Key Concepts Discussed AI as Independent Worker
- Transition from Co-Intelligence to Independent Workers:
- The evolution of how AI is perceived, moving towards high-tier models performing work traditionally done by humans.
- Impacts on decision-making processes in business environments.
Market Response and Skepticism
- Concerns About High Pricing:
- Reactions from various stakeholders on social media reflect skepticism about the sustainability and fairness of such a pricing model.
- Concerns over AI being accessible only to wealthier organizations and individuals.
Detailed Discussion Points OpenAI’s Pricing Strategy
- Cost vs. Revenue:
- Insights suggesting that OpenAI's current revenue growth may not be sufficient to cover high operational costs.
- Advanced models may incur significantly higher operational costs than their predecessors.
Reactions to High Pricing
- Diverse Opinions:
- Some view the potential pricing as a strategic move to signal the value of advanced models, while others view it as indicative of financial struggles.
- Various expert opinions highlighted the implications of such a model on workforce dynamics and productivity.
Future of AI and Employment
- Productivity Dynamics:
- Discussion regarding how advanced AI could fundamentally alter decision-making processes and productivity in business.
- The notion of decision fatigue becoming a limiting factor as AI takes on more independent roles.
Conclusion
- The episode closes with a reflection on the future trajectory of AI pricing and its integration into business practices. The discussions prompt listeners to consider the balance between accessibility and advancement in AI technologies.
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Automatic transcript. May contain errors.0:00Today on the AI Daily Brief, why OpenAI's plan to potentially charge up to$2 ,000 for its advanced models might not be as crazy as it sounds. Before that in the headlines, are we on the verge of seeing an ex-AI Tesla team up? The AI Daily Brief is a daily podcast and video about the most important news and discussions in AI. To join the conversation, follow the Discord link in our show notes. Welcome back to the AI Daily Brief Headlines Edition, all the daily AI news you need in around five minutes. When people have explored why Elon Musk's ex-AI might be an interesting competitor in the LLM space, there's two things you tend to hear.
0:38The first is access to the unique data and distribution channel of Twitter slash X. In other words, that Grok gets a source of information that no one else has, or at least no one else has easily, as well as a place to put it. And the other is the potential integrations with the other family of Elon projects. Chief among those has to, of course, be Tesla. A Tesla XAI tie-up seems like it's more than potential. The Wall Street Journal writes, Musk's XAI has discussed a deal for share of future Tesla revenue. Under a proposed arrangement, the startup would give Tesla access to its AI technology in exchange for a slice of the carmaker's software revenue.
1:13The deal is not particularly complicated, or at least there's not that much information yet. The information sums it up. The two companies have discussed Tesla licensing the startup's AI models to help the carmaker develop its full self-driving software, and in return, Tesla would share some revenue with XAI. The driver-assisted software aims to move Tesla's autonomous driving technology beyond highways onto city streets. Now, Musk, for his part, has of course responded on X, saying, haven't read the article, but the above is not accurate, referring to an ex-user summary of the Wall Street Journal piece.
1:41He added there's no need to license anything from XAI. And shortly after he posted, WSJ is talking nonsense. Regardless of the truth of this particular rumor, investors are for sure watching the relationship between these two companies closely. As the journal puts it, Musk is already shifting talent and hardware between XAI and Tesla, raising concerns about potential conflicts of interest. There is particular scrutiny around how Musk shares resources of Tesla, which is publicly traded. Several Tesla shareholders have filed suits claiming that the shift in resources to XAI has hurt the carmaker's investors.
2:11So whether this is a true report or not, it seems like there will be more of this in the future. Speaking of X and Grok, when it comes to that advantage of being able to use tweets as training data, Elon appears to have hit a snag in Europe. Ireland's Data Protection Commission, or DPC, took Twitter slash X to court in Ireland, the result of which is that X has agreed to stop processing EU users' data for Grok.ai. Said the DPC, the DPC had significant concerns that the processing of personal data contained in the public posts of ex-EU and EEA users for the purpose of training its AI Grok gave rise to a risk of the fundamental rights and freedoms of individuals.
2:45And these types of rules may be why we're also getting reports that AI lobbying in the US is way up this year. A couple key stats from OpenSecrets. In 2023, 460 organizations spent money on federal lobbying around AI. That's 302 more than 2022, and a 7 ,567 % increase back from 2016, when only six organizations were lobbying the government on AI-related issues. In the first quarter of 2024 this year, OpenSecrets identified more than 90 organizations that reported lobbying on AI issues for the first time. The total so far this year appears to be 462, just a little above last year's. Of the organizations that lobbied on AI issues last year, 85 were from the Electronics manufacturing and equipment industry, 46 were educational organizations, 31 were from the internet industry, and 22 came from pharmaceuticals and healthcare.
3:34In terms of some specifics, OpenSecrets noted that OpenAI spent$340 ,000 on lobbying fees in the first quarter of this year, with Scale spending$180 ,000 in that period, and NVIDIA spending$160 ,000 during that time. My general feeling about lobbying tends to be don't hate the player, hate the game, and that it's no surprise to see an increase in this incredibly important area, especially now as rules remain ill-defined. Now, one thing that we are looking forward to later today, Apple is getting ready to roll out its new iPhones with the promise that AI is right at the center of them. I'm sure that tomorrow we will have a chance to get a better sense of exactly how deeply integrated AI is and when those products are actually coming to market.
4:12And speaking of products coming to market and announcements from big tech, on September 16th, Microsoft has scheduled an announcement called Microsoft 365 Copilot Wave 2. No more information really than that, but it should be interesting to see how Microsoft positions Copilot now as opposed to when it was announced last year. For now, though, that is going to do it for today's AI Daily Brief Headlines edition. Next up, the main episode. Today's episode is brought to you by Venice. Venice is a private, uncensored, generative AI app. It accesses open source models to enable text, image, and code generation without the fear of being spied on or having your data exploited.
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6:39And by high-priced, I'm talking$2 ,000 a month. On today's episode, we are going to talk about why that is somewhat less crazy than it seems. At least I think there are ways to look at it as such. To kick off, however, we're also going to do a little bit of catch up on previous OpenAI stories that we covered over the last week or so. One of the big stories last week was that presentation from OpenAI Japan that listed GPT-NEXT as 100 times more powerful than GPT-4. If you remember in that episode, one of the things that I was wondering is whether GPT-NEXT was referring to an actual specific model or just a category of general things in the future.
7:14Now, I noted that even if it was that, which seemed most likely to me, it probably wasn't a great idea to put that image on a slide. And indeed, it does appear that GPT-NEXT is not a new model, but just a general future state. From Mashable, an OpenAI spokesperson has confirmed to Mashable that the term GPT-NEXT written in quotations on the slide was simply a figurative placeholder to indicate how OpenAI's models could evolve exponentially over time. The spokesperson also clarified that the line graph in the slide was illustrative, not an actual timeline of OpenAI's plans. So, so much for getting a 100x more powerful model this year.
7:46Another interesting story that's been swirling around is OpenAI's latest raise, at something like a$100 billion plus valuation. Thrive Capital has been widely reported to be the lead of that round, leading to a recent piece in the information called Why Josh Kushner Became OpenAI's Fundraising Sherpa. The piece begins, In mid-July, OpenAI CEO Sam Altman flew into Idaho to mingle with entertainment and tech elites at the annual Sun Valley Retreat. Among those by Altman's side was Josh Kushner, founder of Thrive Capital, the New York VC firm that had led a recent share sale valuing the chat GPT maker at$86 billion.
8:19Less than a month later, Altman gave Kushner a pat on the back. Replying to news that Thrive had just raised$5 billion in new funds, Altman posted on X that among the quote many great investors he's worked with, there's no one I'd recommend more highly than Josh. So what else do we learn from this round? Well, a couple of things. First, it sounds like the valuation might be up over$120 billion, not just$100 billion. Second, it sounds like part of the role that Kushner is playing is not just investing capital, but also organizing more capital. Again, from that same piece, OpenAI requires so much capital that Kushner could play a key role in arranging funding as well.
8:50Others also speculate that it's at least a little bit about raising the profile of Josh Kushner and Thrive in general. The founder of another large VC firm said that Thrive's massive investment is, quote, Josh's effort to be the guy you call an AI. It makes and very visible, and gives Thrive the appearance of having, quote, unlimited check writing power. Interesting stuff if a little bit insider baseball, but not the thing that we want to focus on today. What we want to focus on is shifts in how OpenAI is thinking about its business model, and one more story before we get to this theoretical$2 ,000 price point.
9:19At the end of last week, OpenAI announced that it had hit 1 million paid users for its enterprise offerings. That's up from 600 ,000 corporate chat GPT accounts back in April. In terms of additional real information, there's not that much. For example, one of the things that we don't know is whether the increase came from new clients or expansion within organizations. We did find out that just under half of the corporate users are based in the United States, with Germany, Japan, and the United Kingdom being the other popular markets. All right, and so this gets us to this $2 ,000 a month report.
9:51This comes once again from the information where they wrote last week, how much would you be willing to pay for ChatGPT every month? $50? $75? How about$200 or$2 ,000? That's the question facing OpenAI, whose executives we hear have discussed high-priced subscriptions for upcoming large language models, such as OpenAI's Reasoning Focus Strawberry and a new flagship LLM dubbed Orion. The piece continues, In early internal discussions at OpenAI, subscription prices ranging up to$2 ,000 per month were on the table, said one person with direct knowledge of the numbers, though nothing is final. Now the information seized on the idea that this represented an indication that revenue wasn't keeping up with costs.
10:27They write, it suggests that the paid version of ChatGPT, which was recently on pace to generate$2 billion of revenue annually, largely from$20 per month subscriptions, may not be growing fast enough to cover the outsized costs of running the service. They continue, and more advanced models such as Strawberry and Orion may be more expensive to train and run than prior models. The flip side, they say, is that a high price point would also mean OpenAI believes its existing white-collar customers of ChatGPT will find these upcoming models a lot more valuable to their coding, analytics or engineering work.
10:55And this is largely the two sides of the conversation that you saw on Twitter slash X. X user Bob E. Hayes writes, tell me things are bad without telling me things are bad. Report, OpenAI considers$2 ,000 monthly LLM subscriptions. OKEgg writes, OpenAI's$2 ,000 a month feels like a clumsy way to address the dilemma. One, achieving AGI requires monstrous investments. Two, need a mass consumer product to recoup. Three, must limit genuine AGI to a select elite. AI entrepreneur Bindu Reddy writes, OpenAI is considering 2k a month to access their top models. All kidding aside, this will be a Vision Pro level disaster.
11:29I hope it's a joke. Digital Spaceport writes, a$2 ,000 a month subscription is going to appear to those on lower tiers very negatively. Rich get richer stratification maximalism is how it will be labeled. So in these few tweets, you get a pretty good breadth of the conversation on the negative side. That on the one hand, maybe this suggests that there's trouble with the OpenAI business model, or even if there's not, that it would somehow represent a failure of the market to only make the most advanced models available to those who already have every advantage, at least financially speaking. That wasn't the only take, though.
12:01Professor Ethan Malek writes, I have no idea if the$2K a month price rumors about advanced OpenAI models are true, but it would represent a move from thinking about AI as a co-intelligence for each person to AI as independent worker. And I think this is the nut of it. Swix, for example, writes, I think it is a very bullish sign that OpenAI is considering$2 ,000 a month subscriptions. This is what taking AI employees seriously looks like, a level three AI product. Now, what he's referring to is OpenAI's recently announced, or better put, recently leaked, levels or stages of artificial intelligence.
12:32Level one is chatbots, which are AI with conversational language. Level two is reasoners with human-level problem solving. Level three is agents or systems that can take actions. Level four are innovators AI that can aid an invention. And level five are organizations or AI that can do the work of an organization. And basically Sean's argument here is that if an AI is powerful enough to do the work of a human, $2 ,000 a month starts to look a lot more reasonable. You see that conversation play out everywhere. On that same Bindu Ready post that I mentioned before, someone responded, if it can replace an entry-level software engineer that's still a 4-6x cost reduction, to which Bindu responded, it can't.
13:07And so indeed we have some skepticism of actual capabilities here as well. John Gilhoolie writes, what is the next limit of human productivity? OpenAI's rumored$2 ,000 a month price tag moves it from consumer tool to employee replacement. This got me thinking. If the new reasoning models could work perfectly, could they actually replace an employee? They'll still need someone giving them direction, so the benefit has to be either in the quality of output or the speed, likely both. Imagine having a magic button that completes most base work for you in a few seconds. You'd still need to give clear instructions and review outputs, as you'd have with most entry employees, but now your cycles are much, much faster.
13:40Suddenly, you're going from making a few decisions a day to dozens or hundreds. Your quote-unquote workers no longer need time to go off and complete tasks. They just immediately deliver results and can move on to the next decision. Decision fatigue is going to become the new productivity-limiting factor. The human brain can only handle so many decisions before it starts to falter. Sure, AI will continue to improve in its ability to handle more high-level instructions like find me more users, but it will still require direction. It will still be a while before we reach the it's AI turtles all the way down stage of the world.
14:08And between here and there, we'll have a world where those who can make hundreds of well-reasoned decisions per day are going to outperform those who simply produce high-quality granular work. Mastering the art of rapid, continual reasoned decision-making could become the next career challenge for many. Now, this moves us into a conversation around what the destiny of today's workers is in a world where we really have AIs that can do independent work. Later this week or this weekend, we'll do a long-read-style episode from a piece from March from Noah Smith called Plentiful High-Paying Jobs in the Age of AI.
14:36However, at this point, you may be also asking, what are the chances this is just a dumb report and people are speculating about nothing? Eden McLeod jokingly summarized it this way. He said, the information says, the absolute highest and most absurd price floated for ChatGPT was$2 ,000 a month, but the idiot OpenAI employee who suggested that has now been fed to the basement Shoggoth and will never speak again. Seven OpenAI spokespeople have reached out and confirmed they will not price it this high. Twitter, holy crap, OpenAI is crazy. Did you hear they're going to ship strawberry tomorrow for$2 ,000 a month?
15:03Morons, nobody will pay that. To which Sean Ralston, who I believe used to work at OpenAI, although I don't think does anymore, responded was an internal convo about enterprise accounts with hundreds of licenses, not individual users. And whatever the right of this Sean has or not, it certainly seems possible that this is a big report about a very exploratory meeting where someone decided to humor someone else and write$2 ,000 a month down on a whiteboard, and that became a whole story that we're discussing. However, I think why it's resonant and worth the discussion is that it really does get us thinking, again as Ethan Mollick put it, about the move from AI as co-intelligence for each person to AI as independent worker.
15:38There are some who believe that will never happen. There are many who believe it will happen in a fitful, non-linear way. But it's certainly a conversation that's going to come up a lot more as capacities increase. For now, I think it's fairly safe to say that at these levels, I don't think we're going to be seeing a$2 ,000 a month chat CPT anytime soon. But you never know, stranger things have happened. That is going to do it for today's AI Daily Brief. Until next time, peace.
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...or at least not as crazy as it might seem.
Rumors suggest OpenAI may introduce a $2,000/month subscription plan for advanced AI models like Orion and Strawberry. Is this as far-fetched as it sounds? Today’s episode explores the reasoning behind such pricing, its potential implications for businesses, and how it might shift the role of AI from co-intelligence to independent worker. Plus, updates on OpenAI’s recent developments, including a new fundraising round and enterprise milestones.
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