Amid Transfer Frenzy, Arsenal Play Some Football And Dowman Stars

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0:46It's Rice What a goal! Declan Rice With an absolute rocket With a free kick Arsenal League 1-0 He's cut inside Saka! Sublime finish He's back with a bang I know everybody's excited about it. I know everybody's starting to get carried away. But it's okay. When something this exciting is happening to your club, you should get carried away. Max Daumann is here. This is the Arsenal Vision Podcast. My name is Elitza Fintiqa Blackman. I'm Jerry Engenner. Hello, everybody. That's right. Vinny? Vinicius? Bah. Bah, humbug. Bruno Giemreich. Bah, humbug. We only need one player. What is it? the realm recognizes one king and he is the king from the academy and his name is downman it look i watched game of thrones but i didn't commit it to memory point is we've got max downman we've got super maxi downman he knows exactly what we need uh he's special we're going to talk about an actual game of football that arsenal played and then i'm going to hop on a plane i'm going to go to dublin and watch arsenal play football and also do an event i'm looking forward to that very very much because i'm going to see a man who is here with me now and his name is tim hello tim hello Hello there.

1:57I'm looking forward to seeing you. Yeah, me too. Me too. I haven't been to Dublin for 14 years, so looking forward to going back. Very, very good. Well, you are going to get to see one of the finest players in all of world football. And his name is Max Dowman. And here, a man originally from the land I'm headed to, but not heading there and filled with raging jealousy, is Paul. Hello, Paz. Woo-hoo. Yeah. Thanks, lads. Keep rubbing it in. It doesn't hurt. Will do. Yeah, will do. As much as possible. So we had our first instant reaction. of the quote-unquote new season yesterday. Really enjoyed that.

2:29I got all the rust out, said a lot of silly stuff. So start as you mean to go on. We will have an instant reaction for the game on Wednesday, which is exciting and maybe more to bring you as a Bruno Guimaraes or Vinny Jr. saga continues. We did our first ever instant reaction, but also it meant first ever time for people to be able to go on the app and actually give their stocks rising and stocks falling, and you'll be able to follow that all season long. We'll reset it after preseason, though, of course, so that we have the actual raw season stuff. As soon as the new app update goes out, by the way, you will be able to pull in not only your Patreon audio stuff, but the video content too.

3:05That update is ready. It's just waiting for Apple to approve it. Google is, of course, still asleep at the wheel doing apparently nothing, certainly not approving our app, but those will come. Apple Watch support, Android Wear OS watch support, whatever it's called, part of this update. So tons and tons of cool stuff. Thanks for using that. And if you want to go in and see what people voted for stock rising and stock falling, you can do that. the apps in the ios store and hopefully maybe even by the time you listen to this into the android store okay uh enough of the nonsense let's get right into it tim i do want to do one thing though even though i want to talk primarily about the game today because how much stuff can you say about transfers i don't think by sort of quirk of the schedule that we've talked really on mic since the vinny stuff started to come out so i think given your close ties with brazil football your extensive career in Brazilian football.

3:55We should get your take on this. What's your reaction to the link? Anything that you want to add that you think might be sort of an interesting wrinkle or an interesting commentary about the pursuit of Vinny Jr. and the quality of the player? Yeah, there's two things. First of all, I'm going to read you out a tweet from 2017 when I was writing about Brazilian football. and this is roughly the time that uh vinicius jr was breaking through at flamengo or no sorry i'd seen him break through at flamengo and um he he was linked with real madrid and i tweeted to lewis ambrose on the 25th of october 2017 vinicius jr is going to be exactly like that norwegian kid they bought so um i think you can say great long-range commentary vinicius junior will hook up with that norwegian kid they bought um so fantastic prediction um yeah this was a player i didn't i i saw and didn't see that's incredible by the way like that i gotta stop you for a second like you got if we sign vinnie jr you've got to get that tweet back out in front of everybody and say he he did indeed link up with that norwegian kid yeah yeah um so when he came through at flamengo i couldn't see the fuss to be honest and uh real madrid were a point where they were a bit butthurt on missing out on neymar and a little bit on gabriel jesus as well they wanted him everyone wanted him when he went to man city and they were kind of going through this we have to have the next brazilian wonder kid because we've missed the last two and they were just signing any Brazilian young player and I got a bit caught up and thought that that's what they're doing here um fair to say I quickly revised that opinion um there's a couple of things I think stuff I'm not going to add that's insightful about him like he is exactly what we need like he is the name we keep mentioning but we keep saying kind of like someone like Vinicius Jr.

5:57yeah exactly whereas like um with zollis for example it's like we put stuff into the spreadsheet about trossard and we were like give us 24 year old trossard who sleeps eight hours a night and it came out with zollis and we've probably tried to do something like that with venetius jr and um and it's like can we get someone like venetius jr and you put it all in the spreadsheet and it just says venetius jr that's the only player it's a bit like um uh that simpsons episode where smithers goes on holiday and he wants someone really incompetent to take his job and he's like right i'm gonna look through the employee database for the most incompetent oh screw it i'll just get homer simpson it's kind of like the opposite of that yeah um so i think first of all the the i guess the inside i'll add i've read a lot of stuff i just really don't agree with about first of all who and what vinicius chunier is in terms of i think there's a lot of like stereotyping that because he's a star player he's a massive prima donna who doesn't lift a finger i don't think that's true at all i'm not i'm not going to tell you he's like the most industrious at chasing back but like i don't think he's bad at that at all if you look at his kind of data you watch how he what he plays against like barcelona big champions league games with brazil he does that stuff he doesn't do it against like the team that finishes 18th in spain and i think it's because he's not asked to because what most managers do when they've got a player like that in the final third they don't want them chasing back at left back they want them high up the pitch right when they've got a proper killer and arsenal haven't really ever had that under arteta so first of all I think there's a lot of stereotypes about Vinicius being this like delicate flower and I don't think he really is also I think there's a lot of it's where like the memification of football analysis really annoys me there's a lot of stuff about will Arteta like uh tolerate this Arteta played a Bamiang on the left wing and then gave him a new contract like I think Arteta is no different to any other elite coach when you have elite attacking talent you you let it play in attacking areas like you know how Liverpool played under Klopp was Mo Salah pressing like Firmino no he was not was he like really chasing back with Trent Alexander-Arnold no he was not and that's not because Jurgen Klopp wouldn't usually demand that it's just I want this guy like that's the pragmatic choice keep this guy high up the pitch so I've got no doubts that Arteta will have absolutely no misgivings if we were to get this player about that and I don't think this player is would be the the delicate little prima donna flower that everyone seems to has cast him as I think there's a lot of misapprehensions around this that's that's the insight I'd try to add I think I like that I appreciate that and I think that is helpful so I think we can mostly leave it there because I do want to get to the football but I will simply do the audio version of what our transfer rumor section yeah does which is give you the latest as I understand it, which is essentially that Roc Nation is really steering a lot of what happens here.

9:15And like any major star player, he's got major star representation. They are stars, not just in terms of the sports and football world, but obviously the music world as well. These are big personalities on the Real Madrid side, on the Vinny side, and it will be a complex negotiation. And Arsenal are doing the right thing being in for this player. Pulling off a deal like this is complicated so we have to do the hardest thing in the world which is be a bit patient I think we all agree that if we don't get Vinny it doesn't obviate the need to go get somebody and so I'm sure the club will have those plans in place but I think most of us would also agree that we're entirely behind the club trying to see if they can make this happen I'd much rather have Vinny than the compromise left winger that we went for because this is hard to be the biggest club you do the hard things yeah go ahead madrid do themselves elliot how long did they go after mbappe before they got him that was like three summers i'm not suggesting we necessarily do that but you know like these deals are hard and they're hard for everyone yeah that's exactly right um and on the bruno thing by the way there's a lot of mixed reporting it feels like the newcastle reporters are reporting what they prefer to believe is true um on what bids have been made and what bids have been rejected my expectation is that this will happen and actually my expectation is that if this happens, it helps the Vinny thing happen.

10:33Look, I believe if Vinny moves, it'll be to Arsenal. I don't believe Real Madrid will flinch on what they've offered Vinny. But I still think if you're Vinny Jr. and you're at Real Madrid, it's the dream club, it's the biggest club in the world, it's safe, it's comfortable, you play four important league games a season, you play in the Champions League, and then you're all fit and ready to go for Brazil. Or you go to London and you play a grueling calendar of really difficult games all season long, trying to win the biggest league in the world, trying to do that while trying to win the Champions League in a new city with a new team.

11:07It's hard. So if there's any reason we don't get him, I ultimately think it might just be that he opts to do the thing that's familiar and stay at Madrid. But if he moves, I think it'll be to Arsenal. And I actually think Bruno coming to Arsenal will help make that a little bit easier for him. So we'll see how it all plays out. I would like to talk about the preseason game because fundamentally there's just a lot of talk about these rumors. And Tim, I actually think you put the tweet out that is the most astute observation about our emotions around transfers. So I'm going to co-opt that expert explanation of yours and make it my own, which is simply the reason it feels like Arsenal are slow at transfers is because with these transfers, we get so many non-updates that make us feel like something's happening and it should be done by now that we forget three days went by.

12:00And this is a hundred and some odd million pound transaction. Three days. How many hundred and some odd million pound transactions get done in three days? They don't. Zubamendi deal, we did it a year in advance essentially, right? So the simple fact that there were 480 tweets about it since I started this podcast doesn't mean Arsenal are doing nothing. It is crazy if you find yourself at 8 a.m. in the morning thinking, oh, we're doing the work. And by 4 p.m. in the afternoon, you're like, why aren't we doing anything that's because that's what social media is making you feel so tim i thought that was a really good observation it's also worth saying i've been doing like gearing up for the season looking into uh across the premier league this is not uncommon at all there's so there's so much stuff where it's like for the last few weeks like leads have been in negotiations with james trafford or whatever right that story is like a week old now but we saw it the first time and the next time we'll see it he'll be holding up the shirt but there'll be like two weeks between those two things where there's like a hundred updates but we're not looking at them yeah yeah exactly right okay um paul do you have do you have any quick comments you want to make about those two transfer sagas before we talk about some football and and some actual arteta comments and things like that i mean mckel there there's video of mckel smirking when he was asked about vinnie jr and there's all the you know and you could read that smirk as he's laughing it off as silly you could read that smirk as he knows it's happening he certainly talked about our need to be ambitious and aggressive in the market but do you have any comments before we move on to the to the actual football itself only that and i think it relates to the actual football itself um we've done a lot of stuff in the in the last few years and by comparison you're looking at other teams who need to fix a lot of stuff so they look super busy in the window and if you look at the reporting this is where it pivots to the game we just watched if you look at the reporting on the various other teams in their games it's all about oh xabi alonso's he's playing with the four but would it be a three and you know where is this player going to play where's that going to play and the same with liverpool right uh areola and how he's adjusting and he looks like he'll go with the same system but who's he going to use and you look at ours and it's like yep, Arsenal playing the way they play with positions for the most part of players where they play.

14:21We were like a well-oiled machine. It was like the first game, back to the pancake theory, right? Oh, great, a new season. The first pancake, even in preseason, you don't even put it on a plate. You just take it straight from the frying pan and put it in the bin. You don't even check it, right? And this was an actual pretty good game to watch with pretty good football, like asterisks all over it in terms of who we played and it being the first preseason and who we had available in the first half versus the second half and making changes every 33 minutes. but this was good football we were after about seven or eight minutes of ring rust it was good football that was fun to watch that allowed players to highlight themselves and feel good about themselves and you see that is not what you see when you so when people are getting upset about transfers I think there's a different context with Arsenal we need the right pieces and we don't need a lot of them.

15:24Yeah, you get tired of saying it, but when you won the Premier League and made it to the Champions League final and been at that level roughly for four years, the caliber of player and the number of players that can actually improve you is small. And some of those players are already in your group. And I'll stay with you, Paul. I mean, just from a 30 ,000 foot view, if you had to say my biggest takeaway from seeing Arsenal play again, apart from, oh yeah, we're pretty good. We look pretty good. Is it Max Dowman? I mean, like, he is still 16. It feels like he's been 16 for three years, but he's still only 16.

16:02And you could make that argument. He was the best player on the pitch. And I'm not going to sit here and pretend he's a nailed on starter and he's ready to lead this team to glory. But like, you can't ignore what your eyes are showing you. And it's showing you a player who effortlessly slots into the level and with the group, the assist he has for Kai. You'd think they're just two first-team players who have been playing together for five years. He takes the ball on the half turn in a crowd, uses his power to get away, turns out, makes the smart early pass into Kai to set him away. The kind of thing that looks easy when it's executed as well as he did.

16:36For me, he's a clear takeaway from that game. Yeah, yeah, all that. He got a nice solid 60 minutes. he made his mistakes in the first five or six minutes and then everything after that was like max down and stuff and drifting into midfield into that right eight channel so yeah he was the takeaway you know the stuff to say about solace kai havertz miles lewis skelly they all popped for me in this game which is very early in pre-season for you to say yeah that you often see like players who like shine but it feels super pre-season these guys were doing what you know they can do and max damon just kind of lit it up i mean he was he was the most exciting uh most dangerous player on the pitch they knew it we knew it and he's absolutely fecking great and i don't think you know i saw a lot of discussion about what his season this season might be like and stuff i don't think he has the patience to sit out another season as arsenal you know look at it last season he watches us uh win the league go to the the final the champions league like hopefully we have that season and better this this season i don't think he's gonna want to be sitting on the sidelines watching it playing one or two important games for us.

18:02I think this is a season he begins to come to the fore, and we ain't going to send him anywhere else. So I think we're going to get to see quite a bit more Max Daman this season. Again, carefully managed, because we're like the champs. Well, we're not like the champs. We are the champs. And Tim's going to let every team in the league know it as he travels the country. Politely. Politely. And so we got players on the pitch already that Max has to compete with, but he will start to get his luck-ins. This is why it's really hard to have everything you want as a supporter and you have to start to make reasonable demands of your club.

18:45because on the one hand, having Nani Madweke at the club, bringing Bruno Guimaraish into the club, keeping Ethan Winery at the club, all things that people seem to feel as good, smart things we had to do, makes it harder for Max to have time to get on the pitch and play. It's also part of the reason we won the title and we will go on to defend the title and go on and win the Champions League if we get Bruno Guimaraish and keep Ethan and Adveney, right? But every time you do that, you just make it more complicated that a player like Max finds his time on the pitch. You could convince me that had we not signed Nani Meduake and just let Max Daumann and Ethan Wernary play right wing and play more last season, we still win the title and we have a more developed Max Daumann and Ethan Wernary.

19:28But you know what? You take that gamble and you fail, you don't have a title. You don't have a title. And so these are the hard things you have to balance. How important is it to you that Arsenal win? And how important is it to you that Arsenal win with Max Daumann playing? And can you square that circle? And Tim, I think this season that comes into high relief because for me, I am comfortable. I know if Clive were here, he'd be telling me to settle down. I am comfortable getting over my ski tips. I am comfortable saying I think this is a generational talent of a player. And if we can integrate this player, even at just 16 and soon to be 17 years old in December, not even soon, I think that he makes us better in a way that very few players can because of his extraordinary talent with the last action, the ball that creates a goal or the ability to score a goal, both of which he did in this game, plus a penalty he could have won.

20:16So is there an interesting thing here that will develop, especially with Max getting a lot of preseason time that some other more established players won't get coming back from the World Cup to say, boss, I know we got a lot of senior experienced players here. I'm as good as them. You got to play me. Yeah, definitely. Like he's in line to start the Coventry game, isn't he? Because Sakura Madueke aren't going to be there. and so and would you begrudge that would you have a problem with it I mean that's the risk you take yeah not at all and you know you start to think about what are the other options like Martinelli moving over to the right Gabriel Jesus I I wouldn't start those over Max at the moment so there's definitely that part to it and we'd said this before it's the same for Miles it's the same for Ethan they've got a big opportunity this pre-season because they're going to play most of it and that has counted for a lot in the past, let me tell you.

21:112004, we had Euro 2004, Vieira was away, Edu and Gilberto were at Copa America, Fabregas comes through and he never comes out the team again. 2008 as well, something very similar. Sorry, no, World Cup 2010, something very similar. Fabregas is away, Jack Wilshere gets the whole pre-season, he doesn't come out the team until he's injured. and then you had what 2022 um tommy asu gets injured saliba comes in ben white goes to right back that's meant to be a temporary arrangement it it's still the arrangement now pretty much when everyone's fit so these these things really really do matter um that sense of momentum really does matter and i i don't want to overstate it because i'm not i'm not saying i necessarily expect this to happen but you could convince me that Max Dalman starts the first couple of games because he's the best choice available and it takes quite a lot to dislodge him um quite frankly and and that could be indefinite it could like he's I do think he's that good not saying I necessarily think it will be or expect it to be but if you came back from like the future 12 months time and told me that happened i'd believe you quite frankly so that that's that's a massive massive part of it um for me i think also with with max like there are potentially other positions he can play as well um that that assist for the havert's goal that's that's urdegaard's position right that's where urdegaard receives the ball interesting though he started off the right and still wound up in that position in that phase of play so yeah absolutely and you know yeah so so i think i think there are kind of there are several angles to this um to be honest and and this this is you know pre-season has tears right and like this is the first game so it's really just fitness and then as you get closer to the season more people get reintroduced and all of that then yeah it gets more and more serious but for young players the serious stuff starts straight away basically those those like ethan miles the the three academy kids the serious stuff is now right that starts straight away for them because they're they're things are up in the air for them as to their their kind of um their role next season and uh and like the kind of um the size of that role i think in an absolute and you can see it tim and how fit and firing they are at solace too right they're they're ready to go because the point you just made they can get in the team and to some degree stay in the team if they're smart yeah exactly whereas some of the bigger more established players they know roughly what's going to happen and they're just playing for fitness i think the ideal thing that will happen out of this situation is that in 12 months time and this is no disrespect to the guy at all in 12 months time we sell non-imaru eke maybe for even more than we bought him for we say thank you very much great two years you've helped us with with bakaya osaka but max is here now we got to make some room and that's potentially a good sale you do that's that's that's almost like a chelsea style thing to do actually to buy someone for two years and say actually we've got the younger model now see you later and sell them a bit of a profit I think that that would be a really healthy outcome, actually.

24:42It's such a tough one for me because there's a part of me that totally agrees with you. There's a part of me that says it's not going to be right wing where he makes someone obsolete. It's going to be midfield. But then that raises the specter of what Ethan's future is. Mikel had some interesting comments on both of them. On Max, he said, quote, that's what we want when you play for Arsenal. Expectations should be high and should be expecting really good things. We know what he's capable of doing. We want to be more consistent in terms of performance and the actions that he can deliver. I think today he had a really good game.

25:13Before I get to the Ethan part of that, Paz, what strikes me is, gone is the language of we have to be patient, we have to acknowledge how young he is. You know, normally when you talk about a 16-year-old, you're going to hear a lot of caveats about the importance of patience and being careful and not getting ahead of ourselves. Those quotes are the quotes of a player that's just part of the group. You know what I mean, Paul? I don't think that there's any sense from Mikel here that he's going to talk about this guy like he talks about other academy players. He's talking about him like he's an Arsenal player.

25:48Yeah, there isn't this emotional couching around him and around us about our expectations of him. And there's a bit of video of Mikel putting his arm around him after he takes him off, but not a kind of a let me make him feel good. It was like, let me tell you the things that you need to work on, the tactical things that were out on the pitch, because you go again, and then you go again. And I think from here, you can't take him back from it now and say, okay, well, you had an exciting preseason feeling part of it. Now go chill on the bench. He's going to find ways to have him involved. We play something like 60 games in a season, all things going well.

26:37And I don't think he can keep him too far from the team in the early part of the season, waiting for kind of gaps or injuries to give him his chance. He's got to get him involved. He's got to make him feel involved. And I think the emotional line that he's spinning out there in terms of his involvement and his expectations, say uh he's not saying chill at everybody you know he's only a kid growing into his body remember all that stuff a year or two ago that's not the messaging yeah yeah look we will be talking about max more this preseason i imagine i'm very excited to see him in dublin so that that will carry on fundamentally though you watch him play and it doesn't look like a 16 year old trying to fit in He just looks like the player that the other players want to give the ball to because they know he's going to do something great with it.

27:31Yeah, Tim? Yeah, that's one of the – so I should say – I don't have to, but I will. The whole streaming situation on Arsenal.com, come on, guys. Don't charge for a stream and don't provide it. And we're 48 hours later and there's still no word on a refund for people who paid for it. That's piss poor. Would you give up that refund for Vinny if it's in the video? Sort that out, okay? yeah yeah it goes out saying um anyway and i will just say kudos to them for pivoting and making it free at halftime but still the first half is when all the the players you know when you wanted to see played it's our first look at those players yeah you gotta you gotta sort something out there obviously and refunds should be coming or some port because the the payment was for the bundle of all the pre-season games well you could pay for them individually i paid for it individually because i'm gonna get at the other pre-season yeah i didn't know that so they got extra money from me but you cannot they could refund the single game buyers or a percentage of the bundle buyers yes yeah anyway but i did watch the first half um this morning and you know to paul's point about oh this looks like arsenal again after watching a bit of world cup and and all of that it's like oh this just looks like arsenal again even though it's not the exact same cast and the other thing that looked really familiar was just passing the ball to the right wing all the time it's it's just it's usually Saka standing there but this time it's Max Dalman and whether that's I I assume it's probably both things whether that's just a muscle memory because we build on the right so much or whether that's because it's Max Dalman I'm going to say it's both things but that was a thing that looked really familiar it just we were playing like it was Bakayo Saka out there can I ask you just quickly Tim because this is our first look at the team obviously of a very young preseason they haven't had a lot of time together but some of these guys that were out there have have been trained together for a while did you spot anything that you thought was a tweak system wise or that we were trying i mean it's really hard to say because it's such an unusual lineup and the the interesting thing is jorona were on their fourth preseason game so they should have been well ahead of us physically they were massively outmatched they got relegated from la liga last season so that gives you their level but still uh we blew them off the park and i'm just wondering if you saw any kind of tweaks or any adjustments that that looked new or different to you.

29:45Yeah, and a lot of recognizable names, actually, in the Drona team. Donny van der Beek, for example. Gazzaniga, the goalkeeper, he was at Spurs. Kiel was Kiel? Yeah, I mean, they were both at Spurs, so they're obviously rubbish. I think system-wise, no, they wouldn't have had a chance to do that. But one thing, I mean, first of all, another thing that just struck me, and this isn't different, it's just how many left-footers we have. like we played an entirely left-footed midfield three um you know left-footed center back left footed left back we have more left footers out there than right footers but um the the feature I really liked was Lewis Skelly just having that cross field passing I really liked that I don't feel like I've seen that much from hit from him either I've seen him as a very lateral passer but he was really getting his head up and switching play and I think that's maybe something Arsenal don't quite do well enough and something that they're looking maybe for someone like Bruno Guimaraes to do as well to really hit those flanks particularly that right flank a little bit more quickly perhaps rather than taking three passes to get to Saka getting to it or Delman getting to him in one England did it a fair bit in the World Cup actually and actually so did Spain if you look at the way Spain played with Yamal they were hitting him constantly from that kind of left centre midfield spot.

31:10So that was a little feature. Systemically, there wasn't much different, though, I don't think. Paul? So, like, in terms of, I don't know if I'd call it a tweak, but it's not something we've seen a lot of. And it's what we did with, if you like, our two eights, with Havertz and with Ethan. And Ethan basically played like Odegaard, and I know a lot of people wanted more from Ethan, but I thought it was solid enough. It was certainly a passing imitation of what the right eight should do. And then Havertz was the left eight. And when it was out of possession, we had the 4-4-2 kind of shape in place.

31:49It was Havertz who sat in beside Maslow Eskely and Ethan, who was doing the Odegaard thing. But when we were kind of attacking in possession, Havertz was like a second striker alongside Gjokeres, which is the thing you could see going forward. Like, how do you get Jaak? I don't think Jaak Ores is going to spend most of the season on the bench. I think there's a strong chance Arteta starts him a lot. So then how do you get Havertz in the team? And maybe this is one of the ways. I mean, you then got to count back. Like, you then get into, okay, well, if Havertz is one of the midfields and you got Declan Rice on the pitch, you've only got one more midfielder to get in, like, 107 players.

32:30It's like, who'd be a manager? Well, that's a great problem to have. but it will be a problem to have but that that was the interesting tweak for me we had ethan doing all the running in terms of the pressing like odegaard would in the front two when it was jacoresh and somebody it was jacoresh and ethan doing all the pressing and havertz but then that allowed havertz to run from a little deeper to be the kind of the run for towards the box and we saw that multiple times it worked really nicely okay against girona in the first preseason but But you saw a very dynamic Havertz popping up right next to Jokeres and those two finding patterns that work for them, even though it was generally Havertz who was shining with it.

33:11Yeah, it's an interesting one. I mean, you can do some interesting things if you play Havertz with Jokeres in terms of pushing almost like two together. And then a Saka, or in this case a Max, can be more of an inside-wide player. They can come more into the midfield. You overlap the right back to hold the width there. Then you let Solas hold the width on the left-hand side and Calafiore is more of an interior. It sort of shifts everything a little bit, but I think it creates a really interesting way to get more players into the attacking zone, but also get more players close together in the middle part, right?

33:46So that Kai and Yolkres are closer together. Saka or Max is closer to an Odegaard or an Ethan or a, you know, an Eneza who's closer to a Rice or a Bruno, whatever, right? And Calafiore. We need to improve our combination play. We need to improve our central occupation. And that's one way you could get there, I think. And if you look at the Havertz goal in particular, right, with Max pulling into a central spot, wriggling free, the very clever pass. He's got Jankeres to his right as Havertz is streaming through. And he got Zalas to the left. I mean, it's almost picture perfect of the kind of situation you're looking to create from a runner from midfield, kind of from mid-midfield running through to the box and past their defensive line.

34:33It was a thing of beauty. And it creates really nice... See, I like when the distances are small and the attacking areas and you get combinations. So there was a move, and actually we'll get to Solis in a minute because I think he's important to discuss. It's a beautiful move where Solis, I think his worst moment of the game is when he didn't shoot and instead tried to cut it back. He should have shot. He was in. But if you look at how that happens, Ethan plays a really nice dagger ball in the Calafiore who almost like... It's almost like a dummy or a back kill, but there's two guys very close together, and Solis just running past, and the defenders have no idea who to track.

35:04And I don't think we've done that enough in attack, where there's a good trio of players in a similar area creating confusion about the defenders to track a run, and Solis runs really intelligently. She cuts it back, and I get it, right? You're new to the team. You're in. Let's set up Yoko Ress and make a friend. Just take the shot. All right, I want to talk about Solis. I would love to talk a little bit too about Ethan, about Marley Salmon maybe, who I think popped. Aoife Ibrahim, who I know Clive's excited about. But let's talk brands. Let's talk brands really quickly. I'm going to do this quickly because we've got a lot to cover about this game.

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