In short
Arsenal’s summer tune-ups and World Cup context, with focus on (1) scouting and potential signings for the attack, (2) injury/fitness concerns—especially Bukayo Saka’s Achilles—and (3) an Arsenal medical staff change after a red-card-free season.
Guests
No guests are listed as external interviewees. The episode features hosts Eli Smith (“Yank Gunner”) and Tim (co-host).
Key claims
- Morgan Rogers scouting video is “fire”; Rodgers could be a transition-to-goal difference maker and fit alongside Kai Havertz.
- Arsenal’s attack improvement should be viewed through physical/technical athlete profiles, not just possession style.
- England’s World Cup setup under Thomas Tuchel looks well-balanced: set pieces, athletic runners, and midfield control via Declan Rice.
- Saka’s Achilles issue is serious; Tuchel says Saka can’t train on consecutive days, so Arsenal may need him rested until October.
- Arsenal replaced Dr. Zafar Iqbal with Dr. Arnaldo Abrantes (former Olympic sprinter, from Aston Villa), implying Arteta is acting quickly to reduce injuries.
Notable examples
- England vs (mentioned) Costa Rica: Arsenal players (Saka, Rice, Eze, Ezzo/Rodgers) looked strong; Eze and Rodgers created chances.
- World Cup opener: South Africa vs Mexico had multiple red cards and a slow, chaotic match; Mexico’s set-piece-heavy history was contrasted with this game.
Written by AI. May contain mistakes. Listen to the episode to check what was said.
Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VOScouting Video and Morgan Rogers
0:00 to 0:38
Discussion about the Morgan Rogers scouting video and player analysis.
“I feel like I'm getting robbed when I bet the Stanley Cup on a sportsbook.”
Scouting Video and Morgan Rogers
1:42 to 3:00
Discussion about the Morgan Rogers scouting video and player analysis.
“World Cup underway, and already three more red cards than Arsenal received this season.”
World Cup Insights and Player Signings
3:00 to 4:10
Insights on the World Cup and discussion on potential signings for Arsenal.
“We're recording this Thursday evening UK time between the first two games of the World Cup.”
Tactical Analysis of Arsenal's Prospective Players
4:10 to 6:10
Analyzing how new players might fit into Arsenal's tactical setup.
“And it was just absolutely top of the head.”
World Cup Performance and Team Dynamics
6:10 to 7:30
Discussion on the World Cup's early performances and team dynamics.
Impact of Climate on World Cup Matches
7:30 to 10:00
Exploring the effects of climate on the pace and flow of World Cup games.
“Now, granted, some of them were sort of further up the pitch.”
South Africa's World Cup Opening Game Review
10:00 to 14:00
Review of South Africa's performance in the opening World Cup match.
“this between games of the World Cup on its first day.”
World Cup Dynamics and Host Nation Insights
14:00 to 17:08
Discusses the unique dynamics of the upcoming World Cup, particularly focusing on Mexico's hosting and South Africa's challenges.
“Yeah, and also South Africa are in quite a unique position here because I may be proved wrong on this, but Mexico, more than the USA and Canada, is a very traditional football nation.”
International Performances of Arsenal Players
17:08 to 18:56
Analyzes the impressive performances of Arsenal players in international matches leading up to the World Cup.
“It is the case that whatever we've said about the World Cup up to this point, when football kicks off, you watch the football and that's just how it works.”
England's Strategic Approach and Player Roles
18:56 to 21:44
Examines England's squad strategy and the impact of their players' roles, particularly focusing on Saka and Madueke.
“I thought that was quite smart in terms of the acclimatization.”
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Assessing Nani Madueke's Potential
21:44 to 24:38
Explores Nani Madueke's capabilities and his potential role in the England squad for the World Cup.
“Like, Madueke might be about to make a very good top-level career out of kind of being Bakayo Saka's Achilles insurance.”
Concerns Over Bukayo Saka's Fitness
24:38 to 28:00
Discusses the concerns surrounding Bukayo Saka's fitness and its implications for England's World Cup chances.
“He's going to get end product wrong, but just the ability to cause devastation, it's like a random number generator.”
Worries About Player Injuries and Team Depth
28:00 to 38:06
Discussion centers on the injury concerns for key Arsenal players and their potential impact on the team's performance.
“They were talking about Harry Kane and his ankle injuries.”
Medical Changes at Arsenal
38:24 to 42:00
Analysis of the recent medical staff changes at Arsenal and their implications for player health and team management.
“Restrictions and eligibility requirements apply.”
Arteta's Ruthless Approach to Improvement
42:00 to 43:44
Discussion on Arteta's quick decisions regarding team injuries and responsibilities.
“But what really strikes me is that I'm sure Arteta thinks that as well.”
The Complexity of Medical Decisions in Football
43:44 to 46:22
Exploration of the fallibility of football medical teams and injury management.
“Yeah, I want to say two things about this, Tim, and they're going to feel contradictory, and they are contradictory, and therefore will not make any sense.”
Injuries as a Natural Part of Football
46:22 to 48:18
Discussion on the inevitability of injuries in football and their management.
“The fact of the matter is, even if you have the best doctors in the universe, there are going to be injuries in football, given the calendar, the way it exists and given the intensity of the game.”
Warm-Up Strategies and Injury Prevention
48:18 to 51:01
Debate on the impact of warm-up routines on player injuries and team strategies.
Player Responsibility and Injury Management
51:01 to 54:04
Insights on player roles in injury reporting and the challenges faced by medical staff.
“And like you say, it doesn't have to be like when I say culpability, it doesn't have to be like you're bad, like you're bad at your job, you're incompetent or whatever.”
Cultural Attitudes Towards Injury in Football
54:04 to 56:00
Analysis of the culture around playing through injuries and its implications.
“There's a player we played on a torn ACL for 15 minutes.”
Injury Concerns and Player Resilience
56:00 to 57:29
Discussing the culture of playing through injuries and its implications for players and fans.
“there was probably an element of could be two weeks could be two months could be six months like again like of just kind of not knowing particularly if it's it relates to an inflammation or something like that.”
World Cup Thoughts and Arsenal Players
57:30 to 59:14
Exploring the impact of the World Cup on Arsenal players and the team's dynamics.
“but of course, of course, Saliba back injury, Timber pulled out Saka with his Achilles.”
Positive Perspectives on the World Cup
59:15 to 1:02:25
Finding the joy in World Cup experiences and the stories that emerge from it.
“I will try to take the good out of whatever happens, basically.”
Positive Perspectives on the World Cup
1:03:17 to 1:04:17
Finding the joy in World Cup experiences and the stories that emerge from it.
“I feel like I'm getting robbed when I bet the Stanley Cup on a sportsbook.”
Transcript
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1:26It's a blind finish. He's back with a bang with Fukuyasaka. 1-0. Unbelievable. The World Cup is underway, and already the PGML's anti-Arsenal bias... Oh, sorry, force of habit. This is the Arsenal Vision Post-Match Podcast. My name's Eli Smith. I'm on Twitter. Yank Gunner. World Cup underway, and already three more red cards than Arsenal received this season. Pretty impressive. So I thought you might enjoy that. Just something to bear in mind as we carry on here. a couple things I got to tell you. The Morgan Rogers scouting video is up. Clive and I did it. We used some data from Scott. We watched some video, not just YouTube comp video, but all actions video.
2:06And I'm going to say this. Run, don't walk to get to that scouting video. Because it's as the kids say, fire. Do the kids say that? They probably don't. I don't know what the kids say. I know what 10-year-old kids say, but no one wants to hear what 10-year-old kids or 6-year-old kids say indeed. Tim could probably help us with what young kids say, but look, it's real good. Saliba 50 is a code, a couple quid. You can go check it out, see what the scouting videos are like. We do them in audio format and video format. There's about a 20-minute podcast that starts it, then we dive into the data, then we watch the video for about 30-40 minutes, and it's real good.
2:40He's a real good player, and I would enjoy him at Arsenal, suffice it to say. We'll be talking more about him, I'm sure. We'll be scouting Junior Kruppi next, I believe, is the next one we'll be looking at, as Arsenal look to strengthen the attack, which makes sense. given that the defense is the best in the world. So strengthening the attack seems like the right place to go. We are going to have a World Cup Daily coming soon, depending on when you listen to this. We're recording this Thursday evening UK time between the first two games of the World Cup. World Cup Daily will come out in the morning's US time following the prior day's action.
3:15So to recap the prior day in our headline, stock rising, stock falling away, and then it'll look ahead to the games coming up. That seems to be the time and that works best. Michael Timms will be hosting that. there'll be a lot of your favorite Arsenal Vision people on it, unfortunately, but also Michael Tim. So there you go. He might even, as he said, get some players to come on, which would be pretty cool. Be ironic if they never came on for any Arsenal podcast, but just for the World Cup daily. But there you go. Here with me now is Tim. Hello, Tim. Hello there. Tim, I'm telling you this, Morgan Rodgers scouting video, man.
3:39Like I try to find what's wrong with players. I get accused sometimes of being too critical. I tried in vain to be critical of this player. He's quite talented. Yeah, yeah. It looks that way. It's funny because Because when we did the live show at Union Chapel, obviously I wasn't with you. I arrived like two minutes before we went on stage, but you kind of gave me the rundown. And usually they follow the same format, but the one that caught me on the hop was who would your dream signing be? And I hadn't prepared it at all. And it was just absolutely top of the head. I was just like, Morgan Rogers.
4:14Nailed it. Nailed it in one. I hadn't thought about it at all. I was just like, it was just like, say a name of someone who sounds vaguely plausible and is quite good and that was that was just I totally shot from the hip didn't think about whether he'd fit in or anything like that and afterwards I was kind of oh would he fit in but that that was just like uh it was like quickly Tim name a Premier League footballer and that's that's what I went with yeah I there is something to be said right sometimes you want to add just the right qualities that the team is crying out for. Sometimes you find a player that has some physical gifts that are elite in the game and you just add them because when you add player that has some absolute top drawer world-class best in football level gifts, you find a way to use those, right?
5:01I mean, Declan Rice, I'll confess, I was guilty at times when we scouted Declan Rice and be like, well, is his progressive passing good enough? Can he pass the ball a hundred times at 90 %? I mean, as it turns out, he could because he's a good enough player to add strings to his bow as he develops. But it almost didn't matter because the things he does at a world-class level are so valuable. And I think Morgan Rogers has that quality. The way he can turn transitions into goals through his runs, through his shooting, through his final ball. I mean, we recover the ball well, but I don't think we always do as well as we could when we recover the ball.
5:37He could be a big difference maker there. So So I think him and as a together could be interesting, and we might talk about that in a moment based on a little cameo for England. I think he could play off Kai brilliantly. It's almost a Giroud-Griesman kind of concept of one player who can drop in, hold it off, another player who can run through. I mean, there's a lot of ways you can devastate with him in the lineup. So I think it's a really sound signing. Is it going to turn us into PSG where we keep the ball 80 % of the game? No, but I don't think that's the only way you have to play. You know what I mean?
6:07I mean that's top of mind for people because that's what we lost to in the Champions League final but I don't think that's the only way you have to play football no no I mean I kind of almost hate to make this comparison but Mourinho's Chelsea Mourinho's first Chelsea team didn't really do that did they they did sometimes like Mourinho's Chelsea team they they beat up you know close to what we did last season they beat up on like the rubbish teams probably in an era where that was easier to do than it is now and then they were relatively attritional against the big teams and that that took them very far basically like they didn't kind of that i think their next move after that was to buy michael esien basically so that kind of tells you that they weren't really like going like we've got mackalaley we've got lampard do we do we add a pass to this no we had Michael Essien who's like somewhere in between Lampard and McAuley and we just like we lean into what we are so I definitely think there is like a strong element of that and I think you're right in terms of like pointing to some of the players we've signed like like like we're still sorting out who Rice's real partner is I think like it was kind of like well it will be part a for a while because he's there but we know his contracts running down same with Jorginho but like I still think that partnership space next to him is open I really think like I really think Lewis Skelly has blown that wide open I really really do and I agree my my hot take is that Lewis Skelly's there to stay yeah I think for a number of reasons but like we're like four seasons into Declan Rice and and what have we done basically it's been like we we've worked around it right it's just like yeah and and and actually we did much the same when we had patrick vieira though he had a lot of midfield partners some of them you know giberto manuel petit world cup winners but we were happy to partner him with gilles gomondi and ray parlor it was just like we've got patrick vieira we'll work the rest out around it like is patrick vieira was he a dm no was he number eight no like just play him and work out the rest later like there are players like that and there are points like that Kai Havertz same deal it's like he's got these qualities does it matter whether he's a midfielder or a forward not really we just want them on the pitch yeah I mean I think there are a lot of ways to build a winner and maybe I don't know maybe the right comp is Jurgen Klopp's Liverpool, which had a lot of physically elite players.
8:51Now, granted, some of them were sort of further up the pitch. Salah was powerful and sprinty at that time, you know, when they were getting 99 points. Sadio Mane, obviously physical, sprinty, powerful. You know, they had a young Van Dijk who was big and powerful at the back. And Ginny Wijnaldum was physically imposing. Firmino wasn't a sprinter, but, you know, sort of a physical presence in the middle of the pitch. maybe a Kai Havertz type figure if you want to think about facilitating for others to run through. And they had those qualities. I don't know. I just think if you look at Rice and Miles and Morgan Rodgers and Bakayo Saka when he's fit and Kai Havertz or Victor Yokerez, depending on one or both or however you want to look at them, Mikel Marino.
9:40That's a lot of physical, powerful athletes, but who also have a pretty high technical level, I think, in terms of some of the key contributions when it really matters. So I think it could be very exciting and he could play left. He could play behind a striker. He could play, you know, as one of the eights. I think there's a lot of ways you could use him to full effect. So it would be very exciting. I should mention, by the way, we're recording this between games of the World Cup on its first day. Three more red cards than we received this season in the first game two for south africa one for mexico standard of football wasn't great south africa were really really terrible i mean do you have anything you want to say about it other than yeah obviously the crowd at the aztec is spectacular it's a great place for football but it wasn't you know a showpiece opener yeah yeah no it wasn't i don't think it was ever really going to be either uh mexico a team who in qualifying really really lent into set pieces Imagine watching a team like that would just be rubbish, wouldn't it?
10:36Terrible ruins football, yeah. Mexico's ruining football. I say qualifying. No, they didn't have to qualify. I think - Probably just in the friendlies run up, you know. Yeah, yeah. They scored something like 10 goals from set pieces over the last two years type thing. And actually, we didn't really see that in this game. But yeah, I mean, there wasn't like really like a standout player in either of these teams. Mexico I think the the manager they hired uh Aguirre I don't really know how you pronounce it in Spanish it's like his third spell um as manager of Mexico and this happens in international football right it's kind of go with what you know basically it happens with players as well all the time and like Mexico basically just trying to pride themselves on being bastards to play it's just high press it's aggressive a starless team we don't really have a star so let's just be like a a bit of a pain but I guess my kind of comment on this just as an opening game don't know like it's not to say that all of this will be like a theme of the World Cup or anything because it's just one football game but like people who said that the Premier League has felt quite stop start over the last season I think if you've had that from the Premier League you're going to get that to the power of 10 for the World Cup and some of that is going to be about the weather and obviously built into that are the hydration breaks although i'm a little bit dubious that they're entirely about about the climate yeah i don't know about you guys but for our coverage they broke away for commercial breaks advertisements and that that was really affecting for me it was jarring yeah i mean i was like is it halftime all right like it was it it's very unusual and i i would say not welcome yeah we we actually didn't go to um an ad break uh which is kind of surprising because the game on ITV in England, which is, for those of you who don't know, that's the station that has advertising.
12:30The BBC does not have advertising. It's run by public money. So like BBC would never have that. They don't advertise, but ITV who are showing this game, they didn't cut to an ad break, which I'm actually quite surprised by, but it's still like, I understood like in principle, I support it. It's like most of the games in this tournament are going to be really hot. A lot of them are going we play during the day like of course like you have to kind of do that um but at the same time like it really breaks the game up and i think the climate is going the the climate plus international football is going to make for some quite slow games as well and this one then had like some lengthy var checks um i mean south africa were really bad and didn't really look ready to play They looked nervous.
13:20Then when they stopped looking nervous, they just looked like they barely had themselves under control emotionally. After going down to nine men, there was a moment where the ball ran out for a throw. And one of the South African players got lucky because he tried to kick at the guy who had gone out with the ball, but he was too far away from him to get him. I mean, is three red cards when you get the forfeit? I mean... No, no. I think you have to go... I think it's five. Okay, so not close. But still, down to eight men would have been an ignominious start to their World Cup as it is already. So, yeah, I think when you have an opponent like that who has so little to offer and you're the home favorite and you know, let's just not slip on this banana peel, that can create a sort of turgid game after they took the lead.
14:07Yeah, and also South Africa are in quite a unique position here because I may be proved wrong on this, but Mexico, more than the USA and Canada, is a very traditional football nation. This is their third World Cup that they're hosting. This stadium has hosted the largest number of World Games. A legendary final. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they said on ITV commentary that Mexico have opened the most World Cups. like Mexico are in that real sweet spot where obviously in CONCACAF, they always qualify basically and they're at a certain level. So they're always at the World Cup. They're hosting for the third time.
14:48And only in, you know, in like 56 years, there'll be plenty of people who've seen all three of those World Cups. So like, you know, having a game in Mexico City, the opening game of the World Cup, that is the most away from home. I think anyone in this tournament is going to feel because I suspect the games in the US and Canada that don't involve US and Canada well even the ones that do like I think just the pricing point alone probably means it won't be quite the same atmosphere as like Mexico playing in Mexico City like opening the World Cup so and also South Africa had I think about 100 fans there or something like that.
15:29And don't get me wrong, for reasons we probably won't talk about again, there are going to be a lot of teams competing in this World Cup who will have no fans in the stadium whatsoever unless they come from the diaspora, particularly in the US. But you know what I mean? For South Africa, I think they're not a good team. I don't think they're going to go anywhere. They're going to lose all their games. Yeah, yeah. But I also think this is like one of the most uniquely stacked against you games that I think you can play. It's a fair point. I think there's another dynamic that we kind of need to take into consideration, which is there are what, 12 groups?
16:14Yeah, it goes up to group L. Yeah, eight of the 12. So two-thirds of the third-place finishers will go to the knockout rounds. and that means there will be teams with like one point that might have a you know two points that might have a shot to go through so there's a huge incentive even if you're losing not necessarily to try to get back into it but don't lose by more than one and so you may see weird dynamics where a team has a one nil lead and it kind of doesn't want to blow it and another team has an oh one deficit, a nil-one deficit, and they don't want to let it get to two because they may feel if we can just get two draws minus one goal.
16:58Yes. Yeah. Yes. I mean, so that could create some strange dynamics. Look, we'll see how it goes. There's another game tonight. I will say I watched it. I mean, it's World Cup. You're going to watch it. It is the case that whatever we've said about the World Cup up to this point, when football kicks off, you watch the football and that's just how it works. So let's talk a little bit about the international football that happened before the World Cup kicked off because an interesting couple of days, Arsenal players looking really, really good. And I think it's interesting, right? Because to the neutral who doesn't want to rate Arsenal, you kind of have to square that with the fact that when Arsenal players go off and play for their country, all of a sudden, guess what?
17:32They're really good. Kai Havertz, really good. A goal and an assist for Germany, right? Looks really good. Gets another goal. All the Arsenal players look good for England. England looked really good. And you can say, well, it's just Costa Rica. I've seen the U.S. men's team struggle with and lose to Costa Rica. I've seen Costa Rica be a thorn in the side of teams. I've seen Costa Rica look okay at World Cups. I'm not saying that's the Costa Rica they are right now, and I'm not saying it was a good performance from them. But England, especially in the second half, looked like the Harlem Globetrotters.
18:00They were having fun with the game. I mean, they were playing champagne football, tricks and flicks, and Ezzo was setting up Rodgers. And I have to say, Ebrecha Ezzo looked sensational to me. And just one of those players that when he gets the ball around the top of the box, some of the things he can do especially when the game is at a slower pace are incredible like he's the kind of guy that I could see if he went to like La Liga would just have 27 assists and 15 goals in a season but I wonder what you make of let's stay on England in particular because Saka played thought he looked pretty bright Nani Meduake did what he does which is get wide open beat a goalkeeper miss a chance Ezzo looked great um Declan Rice scored a goal it was a good day for the Arsenal boys yeah yeah it really was I thought you know speaking briefly from an England perspective really smart to do this friendly I do kind of um I like Tuchel as as England manager I kind of I like what he's done with the squad but this was like playing in Orlando at was it 4 p.m or it's supposed to be 4 p.m right like there's there's a storm in orlando every single day at 4 p.m right so i think they knew full well that some kind of kickoff delay was very very likely and like putting up with you know for example a delay of an hour and then you know what it's like in really hot places after a storm and again i was seeing this all over like my timeline on twitter all the english journalists they're going oh my god look at the pitch there's only an hour till kickoff and like all the floridians in the mentions just being like give it 15 minutes it'll all be gone it's like the our climate will take care of that don't worry but then obviously you get all the moisture in the air and it becomes very very oppressive and when they are they interwent itv interviewed thomas tuckel before the game like he really gave me the air of like we kind of we were almost banking on this happening as part of our preparation, as part of our acclimatization to come to Orlando, one of the hottest places in the middle of the afternoon, where we pitched the kickoff at storm time.
20:22I thought that was quite smart in terms of the acclimatization. And then they did a game the next day, actually, a behind-closed-doors game against Miami, where they played all the players that didn't play in this game, basically. because like and that was about heat acclimatization as well it was like you've all got to get used to playing um in this kind of climate but in terms of the arsenal players like there's a couple of things i go into here first of all england surprisingly given they've got bukayo saka and declan rice look pretty threatening from set pieces and i am really looking forward to england doing that in the tournament and seeing some people say can I surprise you I actually love set pieces I think they're great and like maybe people realizing that that's why Arsenal are good at corners and it's not because like we're stabbing people in the penalty area and stuff like that but like Declan Rice for example just like completely lifted the level of what England are capable of in midfield.
21:29And I kind of think, as it is for England, as it is for Arsenal, he's just one of those players that there's no replacement for that, really. There's no, like, you just have to find another way to play without him. And with Madueke as well, I just think it's so interesting. Like, Madueke might be about to make a very good top-level career out of kind of being Bakayo Saka's Achilles insurance. yeah you know like he's he's he's had a lot of game time this season and he's going to england at the world cup in exactly the same role he has for arsenal which is bukayo's achilles is a bit sore today on you go nonny type thing and um and one of the things i like about the way tukul's built the squad he's built it around harry kane basically which i can say now he no longer plays for Tottenham is the right thing to do.
22:24And when you look at the players, Tuchel selecting the players he hasn't, who hasn't he selected? Palmer and Foden. Why? Because they kind of just stand there. They don't beat anyone. They stand there and they look for a shot, basically. Whereas what Tuchel selected, Rashford, Gordon, Madueke, he's selected guys who run in behind, guys who dribble, guys who take players on. Basically guys who can be like Harry Kane's legs, really. And so it's really clear that Tuchel likes Madueke quite a lot. And I think that's really interesting that Madueke kind of seems to be one of those players who, understandably, definitely frustrating, but coaches love him, I think.
23:10I think that's what's really coming through is that although Chelsea were willing to sell him, they did play him every week before that like he was first choice at Chelsea and Arteta likes him and Tuchel likes him and there comes a point where you have to be like however frustrated you are by the player you kind of because I guess like attacking's a volume game right most attacks don't become goals so I've I've always been of the position that you tolerate a slightly frustrating attacker if to kind of quote the Moneyball movie, you know, like, why do we like him? He gets on base. Like that's, Maduweke reminds me of that a bit.
23:52It's like he gets on base, like he gets you into the last 10 yards of the pitch. From there, it's variable. But you know what? Every attack is variable in the last 10 yards of the pitch. So the guys that get you there all the time, I think are really valuable. I think he's such a fascinating player that maybe I'm learning to see slightly differently in an England shirt as well. Yeah, but I think also, what was Nani Maduike's best game for us? Maybe the Bruges game? The average opposition you face in international football is probably Bruges level, honestly, until you're up against a France or a Spain.
24:26And so is Nani Maduike an elite player at the elite level? I don't think he is. Can Nani Maduike look elite against middling players? Absolutely. His athleticism is too much. His ability to beat a man is too much. and he's going to miss chances. He's going to get end product wrong, but just the ability to cause devastation, it's like a random number generator. Eventually, it's going to go for you, I think. And he tries to do it every single time. He's relentless. He is relentless. I do think there's something to be said, and this is why I like Morgan Rodgers, by the way. I love players who the opposition are dreading facing you.
25:01You know what I mean? There are certain players that you just know you're going to have a pretty easy day. You're going to be able to handle them pretty easily. And we've had players like that in attack where he just, but he's a player that I think even if he doesn't get it right, he's going to put the shits up his opposition man. So I think he could be a very valuable tool for England. I think obviously it allows Saka to be used as needed and cautiously, which I think is the best thing both for us and for Saka. And candidly, I wish Saka would pull out of this World Cup. I just think he has the pride and the desire to play for his country, and I appreciate that about him.
25:40I appreciate his mentality. But based on what Tuchel said, Tim, I'm just wondering what you think of it. I mean, Tuchel said basically he cannot train on consecutive days. That to me is a player that needs a summer off. And I get that you're trying to win the World Cup, but with all due respect to Saka, I don't think a Saka who can't train on consecutive days is the difference between you winning a World Cup or not. I don't think he's going to get fit enough to be that Saka this summer. And this is a loaded England team. So maybe everybody wins if you just send Saka home and let him get fit. But I realize it's a World Cup and no player, you know, if you're lucky as a player, you get four of them.
26:18More likely you get, if you're a superstar, you get three. Maybe you get two. If you're unlucky with injury and timing, no player wants to throw a World Cup away, you know? No, no, definitely not. It's a bit like I was listening to a podcast the other day, you know, talking about England at World Cups and like Paul Gascoigne went to one, you know, and it was when he was 23 in 1990. And it's so like I didn't, I'd never realized that before until they said that. Like they were talking about the 1990 World Cup and it was like he never played at a World Cup again. Did Theo ever get back to one after his 16 year old one?
26:53I mean, no, he never played. You know what I mean? Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. he was selected at 17 um didn't make the squad in 2010 was injured 2014 and by 2018 he was out the picture it can slip away from you yeah and i i mean i i'm with you like i i'd love you know it's it's a bit like jury and timber isn't it like i honestly i feel so sorry for him he doesn't deserve that like he really doesn't deserve that and my my overriding emotion i know how much this I well I think I know how much this means to players and whatever it means to us or blah blah blah etc but I feel so sorry for him but obviously the the bigger Arsenal part of me is like but I'm kind of glad yeah it would be the same for Saka but ultimately I'm not like upset about it because if I'm him I'm I'm going to play at the World Cup and frankly if I'm Thomas Tuchel and I want to win the World Cup, I'm going to take him.
27:55And I think I saw a tweet from someone the other day. I can't remember who it was. They were talking about Harry Kane and his ankle injuries. And they basically said that what kind of saved Harry Kane was COVID because COVID forced like a three-month, four-month period of kind of rest, of no games. And after that, he didn't have any ankle injuries. But with Saka as well, I think the thing is, with the Achilles as well it's like it's so difficult to read because he did have like two months off recently basically like we didn't play him for well and it's about six weeks we didn't play him for and clearly it didn't go away and I do think I relatively recently I had tendinitis in my Achilles and honestly it obviously I'm not a professional athlete uh very obviously well like opinions it it it really was just like the doctor was just like it will go when it goes and honestly it took like six months but then just one day it was gone and that was it like it and that i was kind of told to expect that it will be random it would just be one day you'll get up and it'll be gone and it will kind of be fine and so it's very difficult to read i think and like if he took the world cup off that would give him six weeks off which he's just had anyway and it didn't get like would it get rid of it would it not does he need six months does he need a year does he need two weeks like i do think it's quite variable yeah i i gotta say i think it's a it's a really really serious situation for arsenal that people don't want to really acknowledge you're lucky if you get one Ballon d 'Or level player in a squad.
29:42We may have that in Declan Rice. We may have that in William Saliba. We may have that in Bakayo Saka. Why are we winning titles and going to Champions League finals? Because we've got Ballon d 'Or quality at all three lines. But one of them is broken. And people say, oh, we need to improve the attack. We need to improve the attack. Well, look at Liverpool. One of the best attacks in England last year when Mohamed Salah was scoring 70 goals and getting 30 assists and took a huge step back when Mohamed Salah went over the age curve and was basically done this season. What do you think happened to our attack?
30:16Paikai Osaka, our best attacker and one of the best wide forwards in world football, was never at the level you'd like him to be this whole season. And if that happens again next season, no matter who we sign, they will not be as good as an elite Paikai Osaka. Breaking news, we're not going to sign anybody as good as Paikai Osaka when he's at his best. Because there are maybe two players in the world at that level or three or four. And so him being at his best is probably the best thing we could do to be better next season. And that's why I just, I hope he is able to find a way to get himself the rest he needs.
30:50I said it on the Morgan Rodgers scouting video a little bit, and Clive didn't like it, understandably. But if he plays, and England go very deep in this World Cup, I would be fine if Kao Saka doesn't make an appearance for Arsenal until October. You know? I mean, at some point, you have to take the medicine. You just have to. And we might have to get that Manchester City mentality of try to be great in February, March, April, May instead of being great in August and September. So we'll see. I do think the England team is a really interesting one, Tim. You think about England have always had a lot of talent in recent years, but it's been, well, I guess we can play Trenton midfield or we'll squeeze Foden and Cole Palmer and Bellingham and all these guys into the team that all want to stand in the same zones.
31:32And we'll have Trippier who's passed it. And it's like, it's all kind of fallen for them because Nico O 'Reilly's come to the fore and he's brilliant. Rhys James is fit again, at least for the time being. Elliott Anderson's development, you put him with Declan Rice, you have a really nice balance back there that supports Jude Bellingham wanting to go and be a support striker, or Morgan Rodgers wanting to go run through, or Eberich Eze dropping between the lines and dripping quality on the ball at the edge of the final third. You've got runners who will go past Kane, as you said, and Gordon and Nani Meduake or Saka can do it, or whoever you want to put out there.
32:03There's a balance to this England team where it's not just put all the best players out there even though they don't make sense in the positions. It's a really talented team where the positions they're in make a lot of sense and complement each other well. So I'm kind of, I hate to say it, excited to watch England in this tournament. Yeah, definitely. I think some of that as well is to call, like, you know, it just comes to a stage with managers, right? I think Gareth Southgate largely did a good job with England, But obviously England, he took them from a different position in terms of like, he took them when they were quite bad and they've been quite bad for a few years and kind of built them up.
32:45But it did feel like to go to like the next level, it did need someone external to come in. And, you know, like a German coach who's like, I didn't grow up reading The Sun and the Mirror every day. I don't care what you guys say. Like Southgate had started to get into that. Oh, I'm coming under pressure to play these guys. So I feel like I've got to start doing it, you know, like, and, and, uh, it's, it felt like he became quite reactive. Whereas I think Tuchel, first of all, not being English, but also just not caring and Tuchel as well. Like he, he was talking as well. One of the things I think I'm, I'm quite fascinated by with England, he's really gone like premier league style.
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33:29It's, yeah, He talked about Ivan Toney and he was like, he's really good on set pieces. We want to be good at set pieces. He's gone for athleticism in quite a big way. Like no Harry Maguire, no Foden, no Palmer. Like he's really leaning into Premier League. And obviously this is a guy who's managed Bayern Munich, PSG and Chelsea. So I think probably decent at handling egos or at least very experienced at handling egos. like those are three of the biggest like ego teams in the world i think um probably with like difficult ownership challenges as well like i mean tukul oversaw the period where abramovich left very abruptly um because obviously his ownership was redacted redacted so like you know like he's he's very kind of experienced that stuff but i just think that fundamentally he doesn't care about all the noise um around england but i also think he's whether it works or not um because you could argue again in this heat will the premier league style work as well um but you could like i'd say he's he's very clear on what he wants and he's very it's very clear who and what england are going to be going into this tournament the other thing i think they've got going for them which to be fair i think france and brazil have as well is just depth and again in these conditions you're going to need to use your substitutes and it's it i think it's the thing france have more than anyone where it's like for the the attackers france had to leave out of their squad could win a world cup like they're ridiculously deep in in pretty much every position But in attack, they can swap out their front four for another front four, and you won't even notice.
35:28And England are close to that, I think. I don't think they can swap out Kane and not notice. I don't think England have the volume of elite attacking talent France has, but England might have the deepest team just in terms of talent from top to bottom in every position. Maybe some of that is my Premier League bias, but yeah. Yeah, they are a bit Arsenal. but like I think Brazil have that as well Brazil have a lot of depth in attack and what Brazil have going for them is their centre-backs are Gabriel Marquinhos like and I think in an international tournament your defensive base is so big and they have two guys who are probably two of the four best centre-backs in the world playing together with Alisson behind them like I think that's difficult to beat as a defensive base as well yeah yeah well we'll see i i also wonder i mean look the premier league team the premier league players have a disadvantage which is they've just played the grueling premier league campaign and they're going to be tired the advantage they have though is the slower paced football they're going to feel like they have four hours on the ball when they get it i mean can you imagine how much time they're going to feel like they have and i think you saw that a little bit with ezzo when he came on the other day it's just like oh i have time and space at the top of the box well i'm just gonna but give it to Morgan Rodgers with a no-look pass to send him right in on goal.
36:51Rodgers missed, by the way, so don't sign him. Okay, I want to talk about a medical shakeup at Arsenal because Dr. Zafar Iqbal is out. Arnaldo Abrantes is in. That's certainly worth a quick mention, along with a couple other Arsenal-related bits and pieces. So, as we do, we look out for you, not just with Arsenal chat and World Cup chat, but brand chat. And I'm sure all of you are thinking it's probably long overdue. So let's hit you with some brands. And then we'll hit you with some details on doctors, the qualifications of doctors, the quality of doctors. It is the thing I think you could say we are uniquely qualified to discuss.
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38:30Okay, Tim, I want your hottest, most serious take, your in-depth analysis of the details of the qualification. No, I'm kidding. Like, we can't. No, we can't. but we can do the best we can to have a chat about this. Dr. Zafari Iqbal is out. Dr. Arnaldo Abrantes, former sprinter, by the way, an Olympic sprinter, is in. He comes to us from Aston Villa. I believe he had also been at Forest, I want to say. He is a medical doctor in addition to being a former Olympic sprinter, and he has worked in the Premier League. It's not our first Aston Villa acquisition. uh carmen marquez apparently has a trans transition to arsenal as well i think this is a case of maybe mikhail arteta's involvement i would think because from what i understand this was a bit of a surprise this this is one of those things that was planned and seen coming but by the same token when you have the injury issues arsenal have where we're near the top of the injury table again renewal and change is probably to be expected but for me tim it is just more of a sign i would think from the little bits and pieces I hear behind the scenes, which may or may not be true, just a reminder that there is one voice that stands above them all in importance at Arsenal, and that's Mikel Arteta.
39:50Yeah, I think there's a couple of things that obviously we can really only speculate on. Genuinely, I'd never heard of the Doctor until I was reading. I will say Dr. Iqbal had become a bit of a comedy figure in the matchday chat of Discord, We're just because whoever is the main doctor when you're getting injuries is going to come in for criticism, which maybe we can talk about too. Yeah. Yeah. And like might be nothing to do with them for all we know. It could be about training. It could be about S &C. It could just be that this is the way things are nowadays. It could all just be bad luck. All of those things are possible.
40:26It's probably a combination of all of them to differing extents. but I think what this shows to me again I looked back for the piece I wrote today I went back and I looked at some like old Arteta press conferences that jumped out at me from over the last six years and one of them was after we drew away at Liverpool last May and the quote I was actually looking for to make my point was we came back from 2-0 down away at Liverpool and I remember the interviewer on Sky kind of said to Arteta like is it you know how proud of you they fought back and he said no he said no it's not about reaction it's about action like they reacted great but the first half was unacceptable and that's like that's what he chose to focus on instead of the comeback but at the end of that bit when I read that interview back I forgot we got a red card in that game Mikel Marino got sent off and he just said, that's our sixth red card of the season.
41:29If we do that again next season, we won't win it again. And obviously here we are a year later and we had zero and it would have been easy and very understandable on our red cards last season for us to just go the refs were rubbish and had it in for us, which I don't think is entirely untrue. No, it's literally correct, but I get it. At least like two or three of them, like Lewis Skelly, Rice, Trossard, all three of them, absolute nonsense. But there were three others that probably weren't. But what really strikes me is that I'm sure Arteta thinks that as well. I'm sure he could quibble with all of them.
42:08But his approach was, we have to stop doing that. We have to find a way to control this and basically take accountability and responsibility and don't just do that thing of like, well, what can we do? The refs had it in for us. They changed something this year in that respect, clearly, to have no red cards. And really, there was one Marino, I think, against Villa, where he could have gone. Havertz against Burnley could have gone. In a bad season, one or both of those could have gone against us. But there's been a clear change, right? And that's what this reminds me of. Like the season has been over less than two weeks.
42:51We've done a lovely big parade. Everyone's feeling very, very nice. The doctor sacked. Like it's just like it seems from the outside quite quick, quite brutal and quite right next season. What do we need to do? Where do we need to improve? We need fewer injuries. And if they think it's his fault or he has something to do with that or isn't doing his job well enough, fair enough. I've got no idea. none of us do but the but the the swiftness of it and i want to say the ruthlessness of it i find quite enthusing with all respect to the man himself who just lost his job like in terms of arteta already being like a steely bastard basically and being like right okay won the league wonderful what do we have to do to make sure we win it next year and this the you know that enthuses me for stuff like the transfer window and and stuff like that like this this tells me as we always say that when Arteta sees a problem he is all over it like a rash and that's whether this is right or not again don't know maybe it won't be maybe it'd be completely wrong maybe this doctor was saving us from more injuries like we don't know but at least I can get on board with the fact that they're not just throwing up their hands they're trying to do something about it.
44:15Yeah, I want to say two things about this, Tim, and they're going to feel contradictory, and they are contradictory, and therefore will not make any sense. So just know that up front, please. The first thing I want to say is there is sort of an appeal to authority fallacy about the way people talk about football. You will sometimes get people, you know, when you have an opinion on a player that was signed or a move that a manager made or things like that, people say, oh, you think you know better than a professional director of football? You think you know better than a manager? Oh, you think you know better than the doctors at the club?
44:43And like, obviously, no, in general, you don't know better. But that appeal to authority, logical fallacy presumes that they always make the right decisions and are always correct in the things they do. And that is simply not the case. They're human beings. And anybody who has operated in the professional world knows human beings make mistakes, and some are better than others. And actually, football has an interesting problem. Because football gets the best footballers, and the best football managers. but football does not get the best doctors it does not get the best executives you know why because it pays a lot less you think ceo of arsenal makes with the ceo of i don't know goldman sachs yeah right yeah they don't they now by the way i want to be clear the reason they still get good talent is because not everything is money i'd much rather work for arsenal than goldman sacks, right?
45:30But my point is that the talent pool in football is deep at the footballing level, but it's not as deep as you think at the executive level. It's not as deep as you may think at the medical level. Now, there are a lot of very talented doctors that work on athletes, but they're usually specialist surgeons. Like when you're an athlete who needs surgery, you don't get the surgery done by the club doctor. You go to the best knee surgeon in the world or the best elbow surgeon in the world you get it done by them the club doctor is oh let's be clear i want to be clear what i'm saying here a very talented well-trained doctor that is highly specialized in his field but the idea that they are the best there is an infallible and not making mistakes is wrong i mean there was a rumor the other day that killian mbappe had the wrong leg scanned now i think he rubbished that report but like mistakes are made and by the way mistakes don't have to be we scan the wrong leg mistakes can be we don't think surgery is the right move and surgery was the right move or we think this cleanup surgery is the right surgery but actually a different surgery might have produced a better outcome the human body is strange and not every human body responds same way where am i going with all this what i'm saying is the notion that you can't improve outcomes by improving on the people that you have in the medical team i think it's just wrong you can improve outcomes and i think if your outcomes aren't good just like if the outcomes aren't good on the pitch changes the right thing yep it changes the right thing i i believe that now here's where i'm going to contradict myself i think there's also the opposite problem forget the appeal to authority problem i think it's the opposite problem the presumption that every single injury is because the doctors aren't good the physios aren't good and that's where obviously the opposite is true it is an attritional game now with too many fixtures constant football year round, a high intensity league, no winter break, extra cup ties, extra competitive international fixtures, a lot of contact injuries too, by the way, like the doctor's got nothing to do with you landing funny, Odegaard landing funny on his shoulder, right?
47:26Or Ben White getting his leg kicked. The fact of the matter is, even if you have the best doctors in the universe, there are going to be injuries in football, given the calendar, the way it exists and given the intensity of the game. So I think you do want to try to uplevel your talent wherever you can. And when there's an area where you have been poor, you should make a change to your talent. But I also think we should not be naive, or that's probably not the right wording. We should not be too hopeful that improving the medical staff can have major changes in outcomes because fundamentally, I think, Tim, injuries are a fact of life of football that are here to stay.
48:00And the attritional nature of the footballing calendar means that you're not going to see days of, hey, our 11 first team players played 38 games in the premier league because they were all fit all season i just don't think that's reality anymore yeah yeah this is very firmly in the marginal gains category isn't it and and it is yep and that that means injuries as well like i suspect what we're probably looking at is like i'm plucking an example so i'm not being hyper specific about this could we have done better with durian timber's groin that that might be what we're looking at here and it might just be that everything else was a bit i asked god the same thing about mine for what it's worth it's it you know it it might just be that yeah you know what i mean like or it might just be have a you know got a recurrence managing the big injuries i agree with you i think but but there could be something else tim here like and i'm gonna make something up i'm gonna make something up let's say one physio was like between high intensity moments of training there should be 30 minutes of low intensity and another physio says that's wrong you should stack all the high intensity training together and then have a long two-hour interval of cool down like those are two different philosophical approaches to training where two different doctors may think the one is the right way to reduce injury and one may be right and the other may be wrong but you have to decide what you're going to go with you know what i mean so it could be about things like that like how is training structured how is warm-up intensity warmed down what supplements are used that one doctor thinks help reduce injury and another doesn't like those kinds of things we we are so removed from that information and that world of athletes but that stuff may fundamentally make a big difference over the course of a season the odd strain or tweak here or there well yeah because Arteta he said something didn't he about the warm-ups because we had like three well I say three players I think it was two players Califuri did it twice Saka did it once but you know pulling out in the warm-up and initially I you know I said on this podcast a lot I was like that that strikes me as like a a kind of policy that like the squad's so deep now that if anyone feels anything we don't take any risks and I'm sure there is an element of that but then Arteta did say something didn't he about like reviewing the way we warm up and stuff like that and again i don't know how much that's even down to the club doctor that that strikes me as more the strength and conditioning guys but then again they'll talk to the club doctor like that's all like a big team that will have a flow chart somewhere that we'll never see and would never really want to see because like what am i going to add to that what kind of opinion am i going to have about that But yeah, I mean, listen, the fact that they've done this suggests that they think there is a level of culpability.
51:01And like you say, it doesn't have to be like when I say culpability, it doesn't have to be like you're bad, like you're bad at your job, you're incompetent or whatever. It might just be not quite right for us. You know, maybe hiring a doctor is a bit like getting a player. You know, maybe it's a bit like in that team that play that number of games or play that style, maybe you're the right doctor for them. But maybe for us playing 65 games and, you know, everyone gets behind the ball every time we lose it. Maybe you're not the kind of doctor for us. I don't know, like, like how technical it is, how much it's down to fit and stuff like that, which it could be.
51:41it certainly is executively to me there there is not like like when people try and do those gotchas about edu and stuff and it's just like you know what most football executives when they move around there are clubs they're good at and there are clubs they're not good at and it's not because their ability or intelligence changes suddenly they just go into a different environment and doesn't work maybe it's the same for club doctors i don't know yeah and just as a reminder the players have a stake in this too the one thing i hear constantly from whatever little limited information i i get from people is that the players always want to play they'll hide injury they'll tell you they're fine that complicates it too right because if a person won't tell you what their body's feeling you're in trouble i mean you're in timber clearly clearly from a medically responsible standpoint should not have played an hour of football in the champions league final but he did he put his body on the line and netherlands uh ronald coelman made this point he said quote you can't blame the club and I don't want to either it is clear however that those minutes didn't help and when he was saying that he had to pull out he said the 24-year-old defender has not recovered sufficiently from a groin injury to take part in the world cup in a medically responsible manner right that's an interesting phrase he's not saying he physically can't do it it's that it wouldn't be medically responsible and I I think it's a bit of a worry because he said we didn't wait any longer because his situation wasn't expected to improve any time soon.
53:07I mean, I don't know what's going on with Jurgen Timber, but like that sounds very complicated. And Arsenal clearly, clearly held him with the hope of using him in that Champions League final, which we ultimately did, and maybe held him from getting a surgery that he might now wind up get or, you know, prevented him from taking actions that might have allowed him to heal for this World Cup. Now, just so we're clear, I'm sure the player was on, you know, players have a say in what they do with their body. And I'm not in any way implying that Arsenal did the wrong thing. I'm simply saying, Tim, it's a great example of how this is complicated stuff.
53:42This is a player who played an hour in the Champions League final who now cannot play in a World Cup and we're being told will not be better anytime soon. Human bodies are complicated and this is hard, especially when the players are going to push to play regardless of their actual fitness. Yeah, and Duri and Timber look fine in the Champions League final to me. I wasn't looking at him thinking he didn't even look rusty, let alone like not fit or like. There's a player we played on a torn ACL for 15 minutes. Let's not forget. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, exactly. It was just like he just looked like himself.
54:16He did. And I, you know, I went to the match day minus one training the day before and I know that. And listen, it wasn't really a training session because it was open to the public. So obviously they weren't going to do anything tactical or that intense. It was kind of shooting practice, but it's like he looked fine there as well like you know i didn't ben white's played with injury we know that yeah yeah yeah like didn't spot a grimace or anything when he was whacking the ball at goal from 25 yards like it's and look i'm sure athletes have a higher tolerance for pain and all of that and whether he had an injection or something like again don't know but you're right it's complicated and and you know i guess one of the things as well that makes it even more complicated is that as much as sometimes this stuff doesn't have a definite timeline even if it does Mikel Arteta is not telling you what that timeline is right so like with Durian Timber when he first missed a game and I'm sure they didn't know this at the time it wasn't like well we don't know exactly how long he's not going to be in the team for a while it's going to be a few weeks or whatever like it went game to game like and and i completely understand and even endorse why managers do that but obviously from the outside we know even less because like not only do we not have the technical expertise we don't even really have the information so it's very very rare that arteta or any manager is like yeah he's out for three months you know it's it's always like let's see or or whatnot like the very very few managers put like a definite timeline on these things and that makes it even more difficult from the outside but i'm sure with both saka and timber there was probably an element of could be two weeks could be two months could be six months like again like of just kind of not knowing particularly if it's it relates to an inflammation or something like that.
56:14Yeah, Rob Holding said there was a game against Newcastle the Amazon year. He would have had a grade two, grade three easy. His hamstring was shot to hell and he went out there and played. That's about Rob Holding. Why was he played with a grade two or grade three hamstring? Because Rob Holding wanted to play. And I think this is an important thing that we probably don't think about. It's said a lot in the NFL. It's said a lot that there's a bit of a weird culture, an unspoken culture of, are you hurt or are you injured? And coaches in the NFL will want their players to play if they're hurt, but not if they're injured.
56:45And there's this sort of machismo of you go out there and find a way to play. And, you know, does that help? No, I don't think that helps. I don't think that helps, you know. And then you get the frustration, right? Because look how fans react. When Calafiore's injured, are we like, oh, that poor guy's injured? No, we're like, oh, he's a crock. He's made of glass, right? He can't stay fit. So there's a fan culture too that you don't want to develop that label and it all feeds on each other. Really, really tough. I do think Arsenal have the right approach, which is simply have more players than you can have injuries.
57:15Cause I think that's going to continue to be a fact of life. So as a final point here, then Tim, I mean, we're going to watch the world cup. We're going to enjoy hopefully the world cup. I do want to say, well, I'll save this for my last comment. We're going to try to enjoy the world cup. I will be rooting for Arsenal players have great world cups, but of course, of course, Saliba back injury, Timber pulled out Saka with his Achilles. There is going to be a part of me just wondering which big club is going to survive this World Cup in a position to be able to get their season off on the right foot.
57:46And for us, no matter how much I'm rooting for the Arsenal players to have a great World Cup, I wouldn't necessarily complain if they also had a short World Cup. Yeah, yeah, definitely. And we might be the team in the Premier League with the most players at the World Cup as well. We're certainly up there. So on one hand, yeah, Liverpool will be affected by this Man City. I mean, Man City did the Club World Cup as well last summer. a new manager and all of that um so that i i think and i'm playing in the championship let's not forget well so there is a strong element of that and i definitely think it's it it's a worry um it definitely is at the same time i do think it will it should be relatively equal in terms of who our competitors might be um but yeah definitely i i think it always has been to be honest like I remember after World Cup 98 like Dennis Bergkamp went to World Cup 98 and he just came back and it took him a couple of months to get into the season and we lost the league by one point and you know um but then like in 2002 I want to say after we won the league France had a shocker and went out in the group stages and surprise surprise we started the next season like a train because our three best players went home early.
59:08And that worked for us quite nicely. So, yeah, it's one of those things where I will take the good out. I will try to take the good out of whatever happens, basically. Yeah, and you know what? If you're Myles Lewis Skelly, hell, if you're Max Dowman, certainly if you're Ricardo Calviro. Pre-season's very interesting for you. Yeah, that's what I'm saying, right? Because if you're Max Dowman and Nani and Saka are going deep in the World Cup, you're looking at this and saying, I got a real shot. I mean, if Ethan Winairi's back with the team, he's going to look at this and say, boss, I can prove myself in preseason and be that player that gets you through this early part of the season.
59:46So we'll see. As a final point, since we made our thoughts clear on some of the issues around the World Cup on a previous episode, I do just want to say, it's nice to all see wholesome content and sometimes see things that makes, I mean, look, there's a lot of things you can complain about, but you should let yourself enjoy the things that are positive, and if you have haven't seen it there's a great video of a guy in lawrence kansas um talking about how much he loves and appreciates algeria for choosing lawrence kansas as their base camp because you don't choose where you play but you can choose your base camp they chose lawrence kansas he was dropping knowledge about algeria talking about how much they loved him there's a whole group of people out there to greet the algeria team and adopt them and how much he appreciated them choosing their hometown it's just little things like that it's nice it's nice to consume the stuff that also renews your your faith in in goodness you know yeah definitely and and and i think you will get that as well because again i know we said this a little bit on the last episode but like the diaspora in the u.s means that like although it might be difficult for some fans to come into the country quite a lot of communities are in the country already so like that kind of that sense of diaspora.
1:00:54And there's just a quote from one of my favorite comedian ever, Bill Hicks, Dearly Departed. And he just said, and obviously his material was largely very scathing of US government and all of that. But he said that the thing is about America is it's so big, it's so vast and he said every possible evil is here but every possible good is here as well he was like everything is in this country and you will see both and so yes i do think like and and you know i understand people who might be like i'm not watching any of this and i think that's kind of fair enough but i'm with you like i think let yourself get swept up in in the good stuff and there will be good stuff, I'm sure.
1:01:42Yeah. Don't deny yourself the right to enjoy and celebrate good people being good just because there are bad people being bad, right? So celebrate the positive. It is important to do that just because if you don't do that, how do you survive? How do you get through this? So yeah, I love that. I think there's also some funny things. There's some German guys who've come over to America and they're just driving across the country and post photos of gas stations and of hot dogs that they ate. They're like, this is amazing. I've never had anything like this. Like, mate, you come from a country that invented like bratwurst and like, how have you not had a hot dog like a Chicago hot dog?
1:02:14Anyway, so there's some fun stuff out there and it's all that stuff, that human interest stuff that you'll get with the World Cup that, you know, I try to digest some of it because a smile doesn't hurt you. You know, it's free and it doesn't kill you to have one. So I hope you'll enjoy the World Cup. We'll have a World Cup daily tomorrow with Timsey and myself covering these first two games and looking ahead to Canada and the US getting their tournament off. So the host will all be up and running after Thursday and Friday here. And then we get into the four-day group game days and it's going to get to be madness.
1:02:44And there'll be Arsenal Vision podcasts. There'll be Arsenal Vision Patreon scouting videos and director of football episodes. There will also be World Cup dailies. Like there's something for everybody. And I hope you find what you need with us. And if not, I hope you tell Paz what you think of that. Get his email from me if you need it. Tim, thanks, man. My pleasure as always. Thanks, everybody. Back with the main pod on Monday. We'll have some patron stuff coming out for you the next couple of days. And, of course, the World Cup Daily every day. So until then, we love you. And we will talk to you after Arsenal Tantra.
1:03:17We'll see you next time.
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From the publisher
On this edition of the ArsenalVision Podcast, Elliot is joined by Tim to discuss the kick off of the World Cup, England looking good thanks to Arsenal stars in final tune-up, the medical shakeup at Arsenal, injury news related to Saka, Timber and Saliba, and some transfer news. Chapter timings below.
Chapters:
00:00 Intro Music
05:15 Morgan Rogers as a Signing
10:11 Mexico vs South Africa Opener
17:36 Arsenal Players on International Duty
25:49 Saka's Achilles and World Cup Fitness
32:01 Why England's Squad Is Balanced
36:57 Arsenal's Medical Shakeup
43:51 Are Injuries the Doctor's Fault?
51:42 Players Hiding Injuries and Timber
57:16 Rooting for Short World Cups
59:25 Wholesome World Cup Moments
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