Bouaddi, Barcola and Tzolis Rumors Heat Up

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0:16It's Rice. What a goal! Declan Rice with an absolute rocket with a free kick. Arsenal lead 1-0. Cut inside, Saka! Sublime finish! He's back with a bang with Fukuyo Saka, 1-0! Unbelievable! Look, I know the World Cup is doing its best to try to keep your focus on the football, but I assure you, we're keeping our focus on the transfers. This is the Arsenal Vision Post-Match Podcast. My name's Elliot Smith, I'm going to go hello everybody, and welcome to an actual God's Honest Arsenal Vision Podcast. It's summer, we're still here. We did our Morgan Rodgers scouting video, we enjoyed it. We've got a Christos Solis scouting video coming up.

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1:58Elliot:transfers is clive hello hello hello sorry yeah you're all choked up already i know how transfers get with you mate so can i just ask you quickly since it's kicked off and we haven't had a chance to podcast together are you catching world cup fever i still have budapest fever but are you catching World Cup fever? Yeah, slightly but surely. There's so many games. You haven't got to dive into it day one and just, you know, and peak too soon. You know, so I think... It's a marathon, not a sprint club. I think the first half of Brazil versus Morocco was probably the first proper game of football I saw while I was looking at it like we do our Premier League games.

2:33You haven't endeared yourself to the American fans, but okay, carry on. Yeah,

2:35Elliot:well, I didn't see those games, right? I need my beauty sleep, man. I can't be up all night, for God's sake. This doesn't happen so easily. I had to work at it I know you stayed up and watched the Knicks last night though surely I'd caught a bit of that and then I caught a bit of Scotland fell asleep during that game and so yeah I'm a bit patchy at the moment this is leading to more heavy nights than I need at this time of the year this is supposed to be rest and recuperation time yeah it's so interesting watching the synergy between the Knicks and what's happening there and obviously 53 years I think it is and to see what's happened with Arsenal recently I never suspected the Arsenal gap of 22 years felt like two minutes to me.

3:17Elliot:So, yeah, it's just quite interesting when historic storied clubs stroke franchises do something. I think it warrants a different reaction. And I think that's such an interesting cultural study, shall we say, that will no doubt go on throughout the summer. No doubt it will. So, look, you mentioned the Morocco game. I think there were actually a lot of good performances in the Morocco game. I thought Brian Diaz was good. I thought Saibari was excellent. I thought Hakimi was obviously very good. But the name that has tongues wagging is the one that is connected to Arsenal. There have been some links in the past.

3:55And it's Ayub Boadi. For people who haven't watched Boadi, I think that you have twin ideas you have to keep in your head. One, this was a phenomenal way to get introduced to a very talented player, but also you should be careful about what you intuit about a player from what you see them do at the international game, especially against what I thought was a dreadful Brazil midfield. But your thoughts on Boadi and an eye-catching performance against Brazil and just in general the player and maybe a fit for Arsenal.

4:24Elliot:Yeah, he's not a secret, as most of these players are anymore. He's not a secret. You've been looking at him for maybe over a year. So I looked at all the U2s. They look fine. you know and um but i watched the europa league game between aston villa and and nil and i thought let's have a look at you i've heard about you and all the people you know all the tactical people and all the trendy people like you let's have a look at your son right and i watched that game i've gone to elia i wasn't that impressed i thought aston villa midfield stomped all over him big ass john mcgin was all over him i thought oh no this is not what i expected but don't say anything don't go don't go out there online and say he ain't all that and all the rest of it just wait because he's young right so um and uh so in this brazil game also he he flipped to morocco in the last couple of maybe um last month which i hadn't really noticed i just thought he was gonna play for morocco and um and hey here he is comes out on his pitch and you and they wheel out um casemiro and paqueta and they wheel them out bruno a little bit lack of discipline a lot of freestyle football but to be honest mate these are players that we recognize and to see him run around those players and run over them and then reverse over them and then take the ball around them and it was very impressive and then you start to project don't you and say hold on a minute he's six foot one six foot two 18 years of age just cruising around the pitch like he's on a hovercraft you know and then you start to look forward and it's like very very interesting and maybe there are some players you can't let pass by and I think if Arsenal are to get him the work would have been done already you can't just walk up and watch him on a Saturday night and then say I fancy you Sunday morning that ain't gonna work you gotta be into him a long time ago to send him your projects know his people know his family you've got to be so if we're gonna to get him it's done already you know and we already know you know so um do we need that's all that's all talent is just ridiculous and yeah absolutely ridiculous do do we need him like what what is the i do think that we get into this situation where we have a lot of players who can all play in certain areas and don't always feel i mean for a team that is one of the best in all of world football i don't always feel clear on the plan for all the players that we have um in the zones they're going to play and in the combinations.

6:54And, like, Miles isn't going anywhere. Declan isn't going anywhere. Zubamendi had a bad second half to the season, but certainly an important player for us. Kai can play in midfield. Odegaard is still at the club. Ez is still there. Let's not forget Mikel Marino, who can play all over the midfield and is an important part of this group that's not going anywhere. Ethan is still at the club for the time being, and Max Daumann is going to be a midfielder at some point. So you want to stuff another one in here? Tell me where it all works out.

7:21Elliot:Well, yeah, he's more of a 6 '8", and that's the area that we maybe have got some room to move. Let's be honest, if you look at the 6 '8", so we have four. Norgard, now Miles has come into that group. Supermandy and Ress. So there you go, there's your four. One has played four times in midfield, and everyone's anointing him straight away. Well, hold on a minute, mate. He's going to have a bad day, then what? He's 19. We sell him. yeah Norgard is obviously a stabilising factor but maybe he needs to play a bit more so potentially he could go and suddenly you're in a situation where you potentially have two youngsters and two senior players and a Marino as an insurance policy and that's how quickly it can change you get an injury to one of the senior players and suddenly you look light I think what I look for when you see a player like this and say what can he do can he play six as a loan maybe not at 18 yet but not too far off it can't pay double people absolutely can't pay in the tight before three yep can you play six and eight yep then you have no problem then you just have a talent issue and do i project this talent to be a hundred million pound talent in a year's time which he absolutely will be if he's in the right place and you can get him at 60 65 you buy that player and that's what you do and that's how you maintain your club's value that's maintain your squad's squad value sorry and then that's how you make sure you can think about tomorrow right and you have to think about today and tomorrow and you have to project forward because that's how you stay at the top of the table and this is the big thing for me we have a huge target on our back now everyone's enjoyed our parade haven't they they've loved seeing us enjoy ourselves and be totally humble and not being unbearable at all they've really enjoyed that so don't you think they're going to come out of extra fervor against us?

9:17Elliot:They want to see it again they want to see more of it exactly i think they're just going to rock up and pat us on the back next season well done that's clapping onto the pitch and let's not fire into them and let's just hope they they rock up with the same players that we know exactly what they're going to do that's going to make it a lot easier for us we are basically you know because of where we are and what we've done in the champions league we must be one of the most watched clubs in the world as we would be because we're at the top of the table so you see all our games so why would you not think we need to evolve we have to evolve it's desperately desperately needed that we evolve we make the difficult decisions we need to make i wasn't sure about this kid and there's no debate here you go for this kid you say actually where we are in the world we just go straight for a 26 year old for example just an example and say i'm not gonna wait i know he's he's settled in the league he speaks the language everything's good i'm not gonna wait i'm just gonna go for that guy because that's the that's where we are you know and um and there's people listening to yep i would do that i'm not going for an eight-year-old on the back of one f one world cup game and these are decisions we have to make but sometimes in life you see a talent which is so bright and you've done the work you have to make the room you know and that's maybe where we can end up it's a tough one for me I confess that people who know more about football, which is a pretty big cohort, tell me that he's very good.

10:44He obviously looked good in one World Cup game against an absolutely dreadful Brazil midfield. I don't doubt the talent. He's 18. Plays in league on. You're taking a risk on what your future midfield construction should be. and you have a prime age player in Zubimendi, a prime age player in Declan Rice, and a 19-year-old player in Myles Lewis Skelly, who is your player, who you own. You have a lot of advanced midfield options that you can call on, but I think that's where we could maybe even use another depending on exits. And we may come on to that when we talk about other players, but it's a difficult one because you can't just run the course we just ran with the injuries we had, trying to make it to the top of the game with the amount of games that there are and not understand that you need depth in all areas of the pitch.

11:37I also think 18-year-old players are going to decide where they go in part by what the plan is for them. And I'm not sure I want to hand the keys to this guy. I certainly don't think I want to buy this guy and let Miles go. Now, three months ago, I would have been saying we're desperate for an addition in this position. So I fully accept that we're in that very tricky moment of probably having to decide some future plans based on a handful of exciting miles lewis skelly central midfield performances but if you're going to invest still rather you invest in the guy who's at your club who you've seen do it for your club who's from your club um then someone who might see you as a stepping stone as well that's another thing to consider and and how you build your future around players that want

12:18Elliot:to be there you don't know that you've made a big assumption there well no no no but i'm just saying whenever you buy an 18 year old supreme talent who has no connection to your club and they come to you they may give you several good seasons but as we know they may have aspirations that that have nothing to do with your club versus guys that come from there so i look two months ago miles was on the sell list and manchester schneider and chelsea were knocking his door so um and he had he had some kind of good games and everyone wants him to stay and and so yeah you just got to take football one day at a time and just say look if sars had been speaking to him for about a year then they would know a lot more about his ambitions for example and um i'm not sure if it's the answer earlier but i i he's definitely talented enough oh the talent for no no doubt by the way don't tell michael he can play right back so well yeah i watched that there's a well this that's that's not to be sniffed at right so um we watched a comp of him playing against oxair right back just popped up on our feeds and it was very very good and um again it's what you want isn't it look at Christian Mosquera look what he's done for us this season you know gangly centre back kid ends up playing a lot of minutes for right back and centre back left and right and what are we doing that's an example of why you just don't want to worry too much because one little bad tackle for Ben White and suddenly a window's open and you need a player coming with the ability to take the opportunity so just look for a player with the right level of talent and one thing I'm looking at very much this season when it comes to what we need to add are players with what I call associative skills that connect other people.

14:01Elliot:I think we're quite a systemic team and we rely on certain people to connect us and when they're there we're connected when they're not we're not and I think we need more people like that that allow others into the game and play really really well and I'm talking about examples like Califure and Timber for example I think they're very connective tissue like Trossar's one of those players you know Saka when he's on is one of those players that brings other people into the game connects us gets us on the pitch and I just think that sort of connectivity chemistry is what I'm looking for this year so we look a little bit better on ball you know off ball I think we're good I think we have a collective spirit we know what we're doing when the when the ball turns over on ball I think we're still a little bit reliant on a few people being there and I want to see more of that and then when we have more of that i think we'll be better on the board more varied and more diversity in what we're trying to do so yeah that's what my focus is well look i think that there is we have discussed this so many summers in a row now that i i feel like i could probably run back a section of a prior podcast which is probably true for a lot of conversations to be fair but clive the order of operations in a summer often determines whether the fans are happy or grumpy.

15:14And what I mean by that is, if you seem to be addressing the priority position first, there's patience for the other work you do. If you're not, there's less patience. So for example, if everybody, you know, in the summers when everybody thought our priority was striker, if the first guy in is a fullback, everyone goes, oh, here we go again, not addressing the attack. It doesn't matter the order of which you pick up players. It matters what you end the window with, at least assuming that they're ready to start the season with you. So the reason I bring this up is whatever we think of Buadi and other positions of interest, it is the attack that everybody wants strengthened.

15:52And this brings us to the two rumors that are really dominating the news right now. And I want to start with the one that's a little bit hotter because it's been reported by Ornstein and Mockbell and Hand of Arsenal as well, of course. and that's Christos Solis, a Greek winger from the Belgian League, 24 years old, has plied his trade mostly in the championship, the second division of German football in the Belgian League, although of course as part of Bruges team he played in the Champions League and there seems to be plenty of smoke here so I imagine there's fire. Berta does seem interested.

16:26It sounds like 35 million pounds maybe is the area, maybe 30 million pounds. This is going to be fun for me, Clive because this is a chance to really go in and have an honest debate about the right recruiting approach and how you attract talent he can play off the left this is again also about order of operations because if Morgan Rogers was already signed or Bradley Barkley was already signed and we were going after one more bright young or you know prime age talent in Europe it might be different but if this is the first signing and Leo and Martinelli maybe even go people are going to say did we downgrade you know what have we done so what's your take on christos solis as potentially

17:05Elliot:the first attacking reinforcement who are these people well i have strong opinions on this and you'll be surprised to hear that i'm willing to i'm willing to mix it up on this one a little bit so let's go strong opinions okay let's have a go so never seen him play before this one i i have actually uh he played against us yeah he played against us and um and so yeah i have seen him and yeah when i see a play like this and this is what i don't do i i don't try to pick the team if that player arrives what i do is say does he have the skill sets that we need and so if for example just for example and there are behaviors that we're showing now regarding players coming in and players coming out.

17:55Elliot:There's a lot of chat about Trossard going to Fenerbahce. I know that for about 20 million euros. There's a lot of chat about that. And so when you see that, you go, okay. And then the first person we hear about is somebody who looks very much like Trossard from a play style perspective. And I think, okay, we like Trossard, don't we? We like him. So why do we like him? He's off the ball, plays really, really good. But what he does really good earlier is he plays in pockets. And I think we lack pocket players. We want to stay in there and receive and turn around. This is why I love Saka, right?

18:33Elliot:He comes out the wing, into the pockets, gets it, bang, turn. We play from there. Eze does it up to a point. Trossard does it a lot. Why does Trossard play again with Martinelli? Because he's secure in the pockets. He receives it. He jumps into space quickly. but he can also play wide and running behind. And so when I see this player, I think, oh, I've seen him before. I know this player. This is like a trussard at 24, right? So, and he's a bit quicker. He's got the two-footedness on finishing and he's the clutch finisher and he makes goals and assists. I like that player. Now, is he up the level?

19:09Elliot:I don't know. I haven't seen him play against too many Premier League teams. He played against Villa as well. Played against Bayern Munich as well. His Champions League record is decent. and he looks decent at the Champions League level. Maybe when we scout him, that's the stats to bring out, the Champions League stats, because people are not... Yep, I've got him. Scott was nice enough to send him. Yep. He's a top man. Right? So no point in talking about the Belgium League because people are not going to be impressed, but you talk about the Champions League and you go, okay, let's see how you look because that translates to the Premier League.

19:35So we need pocket players

19:39Elliot:that are brave to receive and are intelligent. So people say, yeah, he's quite good at ball striking. So what does ball striking mean? So when you see someone have a good shot, what I looked for earlier is the preparation before the shot. I'm going to say it's on the scouting video, but I'll say it to you now. It's like if you watch him, much like Trossard, they have a pitter-patter step before they take the strike. Just watch it. Pitter-patter, pitter-patter, bang, shot. When he's coming across the cross, when he's coming across flat on the floor, he takes it early. When he shifts it either side, quick pitter-patter to get the center of the ball, bang, it goes.

20:10Elliot:Ball striking is all about preparation for the last action. If you look at Trossard, sorry, Yokovese's ball striking, his last touch before the shot is always really puts the ball exactly where he wants it to get maximum power right so this guy's got that so he can take different types of finishes left foot right foot lovely crosses left foot right foot takes corners left foot well right foot primarily and he gets his shots off and he can play in the pockets so I can't look at him and say well that doesn't fit Arsenal it does fit Arsenal right so but is he good enough for Arsenal. And that's the bit where we can have a debate, right?

20:49Elliot:Because I haven't seen him too many times against Premier League opposition, just against us, where he was fine. I watched that again. There's a good, like, 10-minute compound on him. And he caused Ben White some problems. He really did. And Ben White had to take him out, you know, and also took a card, I think. He caused him problems. This sort of thing that stays in club's minds, particularly when you do well against our players so um yeah i quite like that signing if it's a goer because it's cost effective and i keep thinking about the number 63 63 games 63 games after a world cup mate we did you see the clip of saka doing a warm down after the game after the game against costa rica Have you seen that clip?

21:40Elliot:He's doing a little warm down. It's a little 15-yard shuttle. If you are telling me that kid is in tip-top shape, he's just not. Well, Tuchel told us he's not. He can't train on consecutive days. Mate, watching it weren't great, mate. It weren't great. And he's obviously managing something to make sure he's ready for the critical moments because that's the professional that he is. He should be applauded for it. He needs to either have complete rest. He may need an operation to remove Scottie Shevano Achilles. He needs rest. He's not getting rest. He needs to manage the situation until the pain goes away.

22:16Elliot:So he's trying to do his best, right? And then when we're linked with wingers and can play both sides, I'm all ears. I'm all ears because I think we're going to need them, you know, if you want to give a key player like the Kiyosaka some rest. Okay. Oh, I have lots of thoughts here. so the first thought I want to say is this is not going to be our big attacking signing of the summer so you can't evaluate him as that there will be a Morgan Rogers there may be a Kruppi there may be a Barkala and let's say we did Rogers Kruppi and Barkala I'm not saying we'll do that but let's say we did that yeah you want to give me a solely fine you know it's like it's like if you bought me a new car and you bought me a new house for Christmas and my third present is like a hat, fine.

23:03You got me a house and a car. I'm not going to complain. Beggars can't be choosers. And if you're telling me that we're going to have the right summer at the top end of the market, I am much less concerned about what Berta and Mikel and the Scouts deem to be the right signing in the mid-tier of the market, the more value-oriented aspect of the market. I'm going to give you the bear case, the down case for why you avoid this player. And I'm only going to do it because I think you don't have much analysis if all you do is say everything we do is right and everything we do is good. You just don't have analysis.

23:38You're just cheerleading. So first thing I do want to say, though, and I think this is important. When we started this podcast, I was negative on a lot of our signings. And the reason was I didn't have confidence in the competence of Arsenal's group when it came to recruitment. And I had plenty of reason not to have that competence. Moves like the Cedric move, right, going for Lacazette and Aubameyang consecutive summers, Pablo Marie, right? There was a lot of reason not to have confidence. There's a lot of reason to have confidence now. This is a club that has been built from a very low position to become one of the best teams in all of world football.

24:14Now, do we need to improve our tax? Sure, whatever, fine. Here's the thing, Clive. This is not a young player. He will be entering his 25-year-old season. So he is in the prime of his career. this is a player who has had plenty of time to catch the eye but has essentially plied his trade in the championship in the second division of uh german football and now in the belgian league his data in the champions league is is not terrible but it's certainly not great lots of sprints which is good but all the numbers are quite a bit lower as you'd expect the xg numbers the xa numbers things like that the the bull case for him is that he genuinely broke the belgian league statistically 17 goals 23 assists if you do that if you break a league to that extent if you're 92nd in xg and 95th in shots and you know 96th in xa you have to be looked at you have to be it would be negligent not to look at you but i think and we saw this a little bit with victor yokores who was very good in the lower level games that we had maybe showed that he wasn't at the absolute level for the top games and that's coming out of the portuguese league and i think the Portuguese league is probably ahead of the Belgian league recruiting a 24 year old player out of the Belgian league whose pedigree is lower level football I am going to apply a healthy degree of skepticism that the talent level is there to translate to the top of the game so the data is obviously great in his domestic league I've seen comps the comps look reasonable for me Clive I I think you're very unlikely to find a Premier League level gem at 24 years old having never played top level football.

25:55And by top level, I mean like the absolute top of the European game. It is an unlikely pedigree for a player to play at this standard

26:02Elliot:would be my comment. See, I have a different brain to you. Leandro Trossard was playing at Genk at this age, I believe. And then he came into Brighton and then we nearly got him from Genk, I think, and Brighton beat us to it. And he's ended up being a really good player for us. Development is linear, isn't linear, sorry. I'm just not too sure. What I look at, I'm not sure on the level, which I've said to you, I'm not sure on the level. But what I am sure of is the technical side of things. Because you can look at someone and say, what do you do technically? Is there a technical fit for Arsenal?

26:37Elliot:What do we miss? And I think we miss pocket players that can look after the ball and that can do things with a level of clinical ability and efficiency. I think we miss that. I think some of his moves are really sharp. So they translate. They're really like touch, touch, quick, one touch, off. You know, left foot, right foot, quick, really quick. And so with Jokic, a lot of his games were big space runs and small space ball control. And so I always think the light is shining on him. Action. There you go. You're on your own against two centre-backs. what can you do you know and um and i thought last year we brought a number of direct players transitional players very very easy to see when they get it wrong you know particularly attacking like nonny and and jokeres they're on their own they've created separation there you go what can you do you can't do nothing you're crap you know when you have pocket players more associated players that play in combinations then i think okay what do you do how do you see your teammate do you understand when he's free do you give him the ball with the right sort of pass appreciation do you get your shots off quite when you're in the box do you make the right decisions and a lot of his stuff is really really good to have that level of assist numbers is good earlier you know and i'm really good yeah when your career scored 100 goals in two seasons and then rocks up with 21 in his third season in a new league that means he sort of knows where the goal is so some of this does translate you know into into other leagues if you're paying 90 million quid for him then you say well that's not real that's a big risk that's a big risk this is key yeah if you're paying 30 to 35 million pounds for him mate you can't get anything for that no you honestly can't get a cup of coffee for that anymore and let's be clear right unlike buying a player out of the premier league for 35 million pounds you might say i'm paying i'm buying him for 35 million but i have to give him 140 grand a week you can probably buy this player and put him on 80 grand a week you know what i mean it would be my guess you know so i was it's really interesting how football goes and how i've listened to my i've done a lot of thinking when we're not playing and like for example i remember we went for fabio vieira for around 30 to 34 million pounds and i was so excited by that player oh my gosh so excited so excited but we needed him we needed him to work didn't we we're talking about him playing left eight remember yeah and there wasn't a squad depth we have right now that's a similar investment we're doing right now none of us think it's in the first 11 the david ornstein literally said this will not affect other signings right so he's literally he's putting it in a shoebox for you and then he's saying this is what this is a player that also looking at right you're literally seeing somebody that could leave with a certain skill sets which very very close to his skill sets and so you can afford to not look at it strategically but look at it technically and look at it from a level perspective and this is what i do this is what i do anyway i try to look at the level through the technical side and say yeah does it fit what we need and i think we need pocket players with quick intelligence mate these are your talk this is your sort of players not mine well the interesting thing is my sort of player i thought Those little pretty boy players that move the ball side to side and move the sharp.

29:57I thought Ezzo would play more in those zones, and I'd be curious to see if he still develops into playing there, especially if we add a Rodgers or what that's going to be. I mean, the funny thing is for all the things I just said about the danger of recruiting a 24-year-old who's only applied their trade at lower-level football, I think this is a smart move that makes a lot of sense as long as we have our top-tier left-sided attacker in line because you're going to need another player, and this player, to your point, plays in the right zones for us very facilitating player i think we need more facilitative players around the box um his sprint data looks really really good even in the champions league so he has that sprint ability and repeat sprint ability at the elite level he's not a dual winner which i think is interesting and that shows up both in the belgian league a bit and especially in the champions league but his creativity numbers stay relatively high so he's not a dribbler he's not a dual winner he and and i like that because i think sometimes if you're a dribbler and a dual winner in the Belgian league and you come to the premier league and it's like mate you're not winning those duels anymore you're not winning those dribbles that's not what he relies on right he relies on intelligent passing he relies on sprinting which he's going to be able to do and shows he can do at the champions league so again for people saying aren't you just contradicting yourself i think it's important to have on the record the acknowledgement that the pedigree of the player is the kind where there's probably more risk because he has never stepped up to this level of football to this point in his career.

31:17Your point about Leo Troussard's a good one, though.

31:19Elliot:Yeah, it's quite an interesting run because if you said to me, let's talk about risk, are we? So the risk for a Tolis or Solis, whatever his name is, sorry, I'm going to get butchered for that, versus, say, at 35 mil tops, right? Let's just do that. It's like a Sambier-Viera type of investment. Versus a 70 million, for example, on Bouadi at 18, at the French League versus a 65 million for Tonali, for example. Just three players. Right, so... And 200 grand a week. So Tonali, so some people are saying, just go for Tonali. Don't worry about the 18-year-old. Just go for Tonali. People fresh off being awake half the night watching him against Brazil, Buadi, are thinking, well, according to my iPad, we should be getting Buadi.

32:09Elliot:Right, so... And that's how it goes. And this is the fun because when this season, pre-season started, I didn't really, I did know Tollis' name, but I didn't really associate him to Arsenal. It's really exciting when a player gets linked. And then you can look at him and how he moves across the pitch, for example, and try to see our strategy. It's common that the club are quite happy for lots of names to be out there to maybe cover the names they want. So what I try to do is not get too invested, even though I am in Morgan Rodgers, even though I tried to not get too invested and just enjoy looking at new players that maybe I didn't know so well and seeing how they would fit.