The Bruno Bombshell

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1:21It's Rice. What a goal! Declan Rice with an absolute rocket with a free kick. Arsenal lead 1-0. Cut inside. Saka! Sublime finish. He's back with a bang with Bukayo Saka. 1-0. Unbelievable. Remember that player you hate and you've hated for years? Well, you love him now. This is the Arsenal Vision Postman Podcast. My name is Alex Smith, the Blackman Twitter game. Hello, buddy. Bruno Gamer-Aish. Hate him. Can't stand him. Remember that time you did that thing? did that thing to Jorginho with the elbow, and he's kind of been mean to us and a bit rough with us. Well, we love him now because he might be ours because he wants to be at Arsenal.

2:00Once you want to be at Arsenal, you're in the fold, or are you? We'll find out what Tim thinks of that. Clive gave his thoughts on the Bruno stuff yesterday, along with the Meslier stuff yesterday, along with a bit on what's going on with our academy as some talent drains, but some new people come in to maybe protect the growth and development of the academy. So you can listen to that over on Patreon. So leave a 50s of code, a couple of quid. you're in tomorrow we'll have a Friday night clive today we have Tim tomorrow we'll have a world cup daily it's all happening it's all happening the football is happening watch it watch the football uh we're gonna get back to doing some scouting videos probably a Bruno scouting video but we scouted him once we have a collection called scouting videos if you go to the patreon you look up collections you can see every single scouting video we've done we've done Barcola we've done Bruno Guimarães we've done all these Solis done you can go watch it and these aren't just YouTube clips.

2:46This is the real scouting stuff, the good stuff. So I would enjoy it if you would watch it. You can watch Clive analyze the player and then you can watch me do things like go, Oh, Oh, it's really, really good stuff. Um, we've got an iOS app coming. There'll be more on that soon. And then the Android app will follow it. It'll allow you to stay connected with the pod. You can have your regular pods in there. If you're a patron, you can have your patron pods in there. You'll be able to submit mailbag questions in there, watch the YouTube videos from there. Um, yeah, it should be good. And we're going to hopefully keep adding things to that to make that worthwhile for you.

3:14So we look forward to giving you news on that. But I think that covers it for introductory nonsense. I do the introductory nonsense just because I feel like you don't want to get right into the chat, right? You want to be eased into the chat. And the introductory nonsense is kind of like, it's like that warm, it's like the bathwater. You know, if it's too hot and you try to get in, it scolds you. You need just a little bit of easing in. But now you're ready to be scolded with the hot takes of the fireman himself, Tim Stillman. Hello, Tim. Hello there. How you doing? Yeah, good, thank you. Good.

3:45It's warm here. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So you're ready to get hot. All right. Look, I have to say, I think this must be an interesting time for you. It's been a bad time for Brazil. It's been a good time for England on the pitch. Now there's a Brazilian who missed a penalty, who is a pariah in Brazil, who may be coming to Arsenal. You must be pulled in a million directions. Can I just ask you how you're holding up with the Brazil and England thing first in your household, and then we can get to the Bruno stuff? Yeah, actually not as bad is a very loaded word to use. But I think the thing is the expectation around Brazil is really dropping.

4:24And I think this is really like maybe not as painful because it's really starting to become expected. now it's like 24 years since they last won the world cup and i think the thinking is that like their time might be done as like a super elite footballing nation um i'm not as sure about that i do think just by the size of their population i think they'll put together a very good team or squad at some point but um yeah i i think it's i think it's actually a really interesting question around the world cup like some of these countries that have this reputation like the stereotype of brazilian football has not been true for longer than i've been alive that like that stereotype that people have that's from before i was born um right that's nearly half a century ago that stuff was true but it's endured for so long and then it's the same with like countries like netherlands right like there's the whole total football thing but actually netherlands have been bad for a long time now and germany have gone out the last three world cups early and italy haven't qualified for the last three so i think there's a really interesting question about like with like younger generations are those reputations going to endure i do young people look at netherlands and think total football johan kruif dennis bergkamp marco van basten and all of that all of that from like before they were born and same with brazil are people going to be like well they they won the world cup last time 24 years ago like how enduring are some of these reputations is i i think a really interesting question that's that's really emerging kind of from this world cup yeah and just to show you that arsenal isn't the only online community where absurd debates and discussions happen a not insignificant portion of the online Brazil footballing fan base is having a debate about whether the move from a Catholic Brazil to a Protestant Brazil is the reason for the change in football style.

6:31The Pentecostal debate, yeah. Yeah, the Pentecostal debate. And I will say my personal opinion on that, which no one needs, but I'll do super quickly, is simply the Brazil team is now increasingly educated. Their football education and their football career occurs in Europe, in leagues that have a particular style. And so I think the cultural identity of the Brazil team is going to be increasingly defined by whatever the identity of football in Europe is, right? Because their players are playing where? In the Premier League, in La Liga, in Serie A, in Ligue 1. And if that's where you're brought up and that's where you're playing, then whatever the prevailing style of football is in those areas, that's the football that you're going to be a purveyor of that's sort of it yeah yeah and it causes a disconnect with fans as well like most of the fans just don't like connect with the players because most of them leave so even like in in the build-up to like brazil norway when those gabrielle holland comps were doing the rounds i saw so many brazilians on my timeline that were just like i didn't know gabrielle was like this because he left like he barely played in brazil he went to france when he was a teenager then came to us and so they don't forge those connections like you know a player plays for you stays till his early 20s or whatever now they've gone at like 17 18 so you never see them play so that's created like a an emotional and cultural distance as well and then brazil started doing all this stuff with nike where they were doing road shows because they're such a big brand they'd go and play in the us they're playing the middle east so they wouldn't play at home very much um and and again this this could all like there's undoubtedly there's been a homogenization of football ultimately you look at it it's very ua for dominated um again these final stages but then you've got um you know like they're like someone like morocco like morocco a consistent tournament team now and but quite a lot of it is built on players who are like second generation and have also been raised like playing in europe and then you know success stories like cape verde and uh surinami and stuff like that and actually the reality of their teams is that most of them are diaspora and playing in europe so actually the european domination is kind of even bigger than it looks yeah and um and i just find this stuff really really interesting like are some of these teams i mentioned at the outset netherlands germany italy brazil are they losing their identity are they too obsessed with identity is it possible to have like a national footballing identity anymore i i think all of that all of that is like really really fascinating and really been crystallized by particularly the last two World Cups, I think, like the post-COVID World Cup, shall we say, I think, like, have really shown, I think, I don't know whether, like, plates are shifting, but an evolution in kind of global football.

9:40Yeah, I have to say, I think the international game is getting closer to the club game in terms of the way teams play. You see it now, right? Building in a 2-3 or a 3-2, defending in a 4-4-2 out of possession, but in first phase of build-up, there's those three defenders, There's those tucked in fullbacks. You see a lot of familiar things in the international game and in the club game. I have a theory, though, and it's a theory of why I think, first of all, Brazil may feel some of their footballing identity is withering. But I think it's also why we as Arsenal supporters are struggling with the question of who's the left wing player we should get?

10:15Where are these great players? I think football, because defenders are getting better, because fullbacks are getting better, because athleticism is improving and organizational defending is improving. I think football is becoming a more collectivist sport. And I think there is less ability for one-on-one individual brilliance on the ball to decide games in the way it has always done. The years of a Ronaldinho dancing on the ball or an R9 beating four defenders on his way to the goal or even Messi doing that. Defenders are better. Defenses are more organized. Fullbacks can defend 1v1 better than they have.

10:51and so the game is about structure uh it is about collaboration and cooperation it is about set pieces and why is it about set pieces in part because the the defenses are better at stopping you from those individual moves and while i think there's always exceptions to the rule i i don't think it's that we don't have talented players i think the talent defensively is starting to match the talent in attack in a way it hasn't historically especially at lower teams especially in the premier league where there's a lot of money and so tim that ability to find that player we're like oh gosh look at what he can do he can just devastate 1v1 there are some examples of it i'm not saying there are none you know and and some of them are 18 year olds like lamin yamal but even still his strength is actually how he provides for others right but kai osaka why is he so dominant when he's fit it's not his his sort of eye-catching joga bonito dancing on the ball it's the intelligence with which he brings others into play in his decision making and and i really do think that that is changing how we think about football and how we think about the identity of individual national teams that were built around flair because i don't know that flair players are in abundance able to decide games the way they so often did down the years you know yeah yeah definitely not um it's a lot more systemic um nowadays but but then as arsenal approved right a team of no real clear attacking stars winning the premier league and nearly winning the champions league but and this is where football is so great because like it's just never ending it's just an absolute hamster wheel we're saying all of this look at the top scorers list of the world cup yeah it's the best players in the world it's harland it's mbappe it's messy like the other thing about this tournament is that the stars have turned up and um usually in a world cup top scoring list you'll get someone like out of nowhere you know you'll get someone um and quite often they'll have scored like a hat trick against some no-hopers in the group stage and then they'll get one or two more or something and it'll be like oh this guy got five goals at the world cup and no one had ever heard of him before whereas this world cup it's like no it's Harland and Bappi Messi and Kane they're all going for the golden boot together and obviously there's more games now as well but it's like and they're all probably like whoever wins it is going to break the record for like a golden boot or world cup like so in many senses the other teaching this world cup is arguably that like it's the stars that are making it right because those are the ones that break the system so but you know what's interesting can break your system harland can break your system like not many players can but the ones that really can are hugely valuable obviously Absolutely.

13:43And I agree with that. But I'd say it's sort of interesting, right? What makes all those players special, I think, is their finishers, right? Holland is a finisher. Messi is no longer the dribble eight guys to score guy. He's a finisher. Mbappe, I guess, can do, I mean, he's extraordinary, right? But it's his ability to just get a half yard of space and then finish. Kane, of course, isn't going to beat anybody. But look at some of the goals he scores. He just finishes from all angles. And I think that, you know, and again, you're always going to see things in the way that enlarges your point. But I think in a footballing landscape where you can't dance past five or six guys and score the stunning solo goal, the guys who can take a half yard of space and turn it into a goal become so much more valuable.

14:31and we're really seeing now Haaland aside maybe Mbappe aside there's sort of there's there's two types of striker in football there's the finisher there's Kane who can stand still at the top of the box and just finish Lewandowski has a bit of that right for Barcelona Haaland can run in behind fish and then there's the false nines and there's probably more false nines than anything else because they can at least influence the game I don't know it's an interesting debate for another time we got to get into the the Bruno stuff but I definitely think that change to more collectivism and less one-on-one individualist brilliance is also why we look around the football landscape knowing we need a left-wide attacker and we're like, is it Barclay?

15:15Is there anybody else? Is it Raffa Liao? And why do we go to a Raffa Liao, who we know isn't setting the world on fire because he's one of those rare examples of an individualistically brilliant player, but is that really what we need? Okay. Bruno Guimaraes, yesterday, if you missed it, David Ornstein dropped the Ornbaum, and it hit. It hit its target, which is Arsenal supporters and Newcastle supporters, saying that Bruno has told Newcastle he wants to come to Arsenal, he's ready to leave. We've made a bid for$60 million. Don't think that'll get it done, and it's been reported it won't get it done.

15:49It is worth noting that Newcastle have already lost Gordon and already lost Tenali, and I think it would be unprecedented for a club of their size, whatever you think of them, to lose Tenali, Gordon, and Bruno, which are arguably their three best players all in the same window. But it may happen. It would certainly not make them happy, which I guess we're supposed to say is funny. But I think it would make us happy. So the very first thing, Tim, I need to just ask you, before we get into the fit and all those other things is, how do you feel about this player for Arsenal? He will be 29 during this season.

16:23He will probably cost in excess of$70 million when it's all said and done. And how do you feel about this player, though? Forget the dynamics of the move, this player for Arsenal. Yeah, I think he ticks a lot of boxes. He has a lot of stuff we don't have. I think it's really interesting, actually, with both our main targets, how, like, I feel like as Arsenal fans we've mischaracterized them and maybe based on the way those players have played against us. But, you know, get the spreadsheets out and what does Bruno come up with it's like progressive passes line great breaking passes through balls like that that's really what he does and that's what we don't do enough of but he also gives us resilience in an area where we probably need it it's probably the one area of the squad where if we're saying that nor guard is not really when i say a serious member i don't mean i don't mean that like personally but i mean like in an on-pitch sense like a serious part of the squad then he gives us that bit of resilience and he can he can do a bit of what Rice does he can do a bit of what Marino does he can do a bit of what Zubimendi does like he can I don't want to say fill in because I don't think he'd be a fill-in player but he could do all of those jobs basically he could be in a double pivot he could be slightly further forward you could probably even play him as a lone six like he's he's a bit like rice i think maybe in that respect in that he's he's versatile within those profiles but like what he does is he just he is progressive passing that's that's his superpower that's what we don't do enough of that's why we we get the horseshoe a little bit i think we were eighth in the division for progressive passes last season we were six for passes completed um like these are not normal numbers for a premier league champion and it's where we need to get better and um you know i'll echo the discussion you and clive had on the patreon yesterday which is you know about the age profile and stuff like that but actually once you're at the mountaintop you're trying to stay there you know you're not you're not in a four or five year project anymore you've reached the summit and you want to stay there and you want to get a bit better and so you kind of do need prime age guys for that and I guess the the most crude example I could find for that is Manchester United buying Robin Van Persie when he was 29 they lost the league on goal difference they bought the best goal scorer and they won the league the next year like sometimes it is you know you're you're trying to kind of you're trying to stay on base um a little bit so and also i think this summer it's not like last summer in terms of how busy we're going to be like we've got the backup well the backup like maybe the third goalkeeper that's done there might be a defender but like bruno and morgan rogers that that really feels like the meat it doesn't feel like this is going to be another six or seven guys in a six or seven guys out this feels like bruno will come in nor guard will go rogers will come in trossard will go maybe white will go in the defense like it does feel a bit more one in one out and i think within that framework as well you can definitely take like a guy who's 28 um and again the point you made yesterday on the patreon as well if he's 26 and he's got four years on his contract at new you cost or how much does he cost then i mean gosh there's so much there tim um i want to just start with him as the player though this is the rare example i think of a player who gives you progression creativity and out of possession work rate and an impact involvement all-rounder he's a proper all-rounder that fits what we do like because for example many people may know already I'm sort of obsessed with Adam Morton.

20:21I think Adam Morton is a cheat code in passes between the lines and through balls in behind. He's Trent in midfield. He's a bit of Sesk in midfield, if I may invoke that. He is, at least in my view, a bit of a liability out of possession. Now, you can make the argument, we have Declan Rice, mate. He can be a bit of a liability. but what if Declan Rice can't play and you're trotting out you know Adam Morton and who and Zubamendi I guess um maybe Miles it it starts to look a little lightweight for me in terms of our style and what we want to do what I love about Bruno is he gives you the ability to add the things that are missing without taking away the things that are working if that makes sense right you know if you look at a vitinier jaunevas at psg they're not assist monsters they're not goal creators particularly but they do a bit of everything they allow psg to be one of the best out of possession teams and in possession teams simultaneously and i think you get some of that from Bruno.

21:33Worth noting, he had, in the last three seasons in the Premier League, seven goals and eight assists, five goals, six assists. This season, nine goals and five assists. Now, two of those were penalties. So if you want to say seven non-penalty goals and five assists, that's 14 goal involvements from central midfield. That's real good. You know, you will absolutely take that. So for me, you know, the player is an excellent, proven Premier League player who can play with Zubomendi, with Miles, with Rice, with Odegaard, with any of those players, as are six or eight or however you want to think about those players, without us losing too much.

22:16Now look, you take a Declan Rice out of your midfield, you're never going to be as good as if a Declan Rice is in your midfield. But if you believe that we may have to play a bit without Rice this season, at least to start the season, I think Bruno Guimaraes gives you more ability to retain that balance. And then if you have Bruno and Rice in midfield, you have tremendous range. You have range in passing, range in carrying. Both of them can arrive into the final third and score goals and provide assists. But then think of what you can do with the third midfielder. You can have anything you want in there.

22:48You want a Morgan Rodgers who's not really going to do much in passing. You want Ebrecha Eza, who we know has struggled to kind of get on the ball, needs someone to link it to him, no problem. You want Odegaard and you want to be PSG and have the ball for 85 % of the time and play 4 ,000 passes, you can do that. You have a number of different ways of doing it. And this is where the age thing comes in too. Because I really believe this, Tim. When you're in your winning window, you need to buy players that make you better right now today. Because a player that makes you better in three seasons is all well and good.

23:22But if they don't make you better today, you could lose the years when you can win a title. As we know, 22 years it took us to get back to winning a title, but it took us four years of trying, of being right there. This is a guy who keeps us right there at the top of the Premier League game from a midfield standpoint. And guess what? If you get two good years out of him, and by year three he's starting to decline, and you win two Premier Leagues, I mean, mate, I don't give a shit what the third year is. And oh, by the way, what a perfect way to say to Miles Lewis-Skelly, we're going to play you a lot this season.

23:54We're going to play you a lot next season, but you are in a position now to develop into midfield. Max Daum and Ethan Winery, if we want, you're in a position to develop, to find some minutes, but not have to win us a title right away. I think he's a bridge to the future while maintaining our incredibly high floor and high ceiling in the present. But I want to kind of give you another angle on this that I want to get your thoughts on, Tim, which is just value. It seems like the market used to forget at how important it was to buy pre-prime age players. And you used to see outrageous fees and outrageous transfers for older players.

24:28Robin Van Persie, you know, as great as United did with him for a season, became unusable one season later. They got one season out of it. They won a title and they got an extraordinary season. And I doubt any United fan would say that was a bad transfer. But really, economically or however you want to look at it, it probably wasn't a great transfer. He was usable for one season. But has the market moved too much the other way? because in my mind, Bruno Guimaraes today is better than Elliot Anderson today. Now, Elliot Anderson is 23 and Bruno is 28. But Elliot Anderson is 116 million. Tenali, who's two years younger, is 100 million.

25:04If you can get the better player for 70 million, could you make an argument that there might be a little bit of a market inefficiency developing or efficiency developing in the older bracket where these teams who are trying to build themselves up are not competing for talent? And if Bruno's elite through his 31-year-old season,$70 million for him versus$116 for Anderson or$100 for Tenali, to me, actually looks like you're kind of exploiting a market efficiency with the understanding that what you don't get, likely, is any resale value. And that's really where the pitfall is. Of course. But then, like, what resale value a Man City going to get out of Elliott Anderson?

25:46None. Because they're either going to keep him until he's 34, if he's good, or he's going to be bad and no one's going to want to buy him. Exactly. Exactly that. So like at the top end of the market, there is no resale value anyway, basically, because Man City are at the top of the food chain. No one is going to, like you say, the only reason he'd go is if he's been bad and no one will pay for him anyway, basically. So, you know, at a certain point, the idea of resale value kind of becomes a bit moot anyway. Because, and that's what Man City do, right? What did they do with Kevin De Bruyne? They kept him till his hamstrings fell off.

26:26What did they do with Aguero? They kept him until, I mean, in fact, he retired. like he went to barca and his medical uncovered some kind of heart issue so like and that's what they're going to do with rogery as well they're they're going to ride they're going to ride that until it's got no legs anymore so um yeah at a certain point um the the resale value kind of becomes a bit moot anyway and actually what you're looking at if you're looking at it you know purely financially you're looking at a mortar you know amortization and things like that and actually like you know if it makes you can get good book value without necessarily selling somebody and um yeah like i even think of you know man united buying andre santos from chelsea i wanted to ask you about that yeah for around 50 million i think that looks a really good buy quite a good price yeah and what's interesting about that to me is that like like chelsea are like the, is it the bull case or the bear case that's the bad one?

27:27The bull is good, bear is bad. Right, so they're the bear case. They've bought so much young talent and stuck so many of them on long contracts that they're kind of getting picked off here, because it's like, we can't sell a lot of these guys. So if we get, and it's the same with Madueke, right? Like, I'm not pretending that Madueke is a player that particularly changes their world, but they put themselves in a situation where it's like 50 million. we kind of have to take it because we've created this like sell to buy model and actually we're not finding a lot of value because we're buying loads and loads of young players that's a very noisy market anyway lots of variables in it and actually we're finding we can't sell a lot of these guys so when we do get a reasonable offer for a good player we kind of have to take it and the other thing about the buy to sell model now is there is only one market really and that's the premier league so you have to sell to your competitors like that that's that's the other again chelsea being the bear case that's the other position they've put themselves in is that they're strengthening all their rivals because like napoli can't buy no like you know what's a guy who's been on 160 000 a week no there's they have no ability to buy that player unless the fee 10 million yeah yeah exactly so like what Chelsea are essentially doing is like they helped us out by with Maduake thanks very much they're helping Man United out with Santos thanks very much so like I think there are some old ideas about the market maybe and particularly with like regulations changing and um you know SCR instead of um PSR and stuff like that it's also not a massive coincidence i don't think our two main targets are from aston villa and newcastle who are teams who are in trouble on particularly on uefa which is a lot more stringent they're they're in trouble on uefa and you know you mentioned there about newcastle kind of they might sell three players in one summer but i think the interesting thing about that is two of those sales happen before june 30th so it's in one summer but it's over two bookkeeping periods if they sell us Bruno as well.

29:44And that might be, you know, like the Tonali and Gordon sales have potentially - Helped their 2026. Yeah, exactly. This is helping their 2027. They've got this bookkeeping period and they've got to sell someone else really, particularly because they've got to do a bit of a rebuild and they've got to fund it and they've got to, you know, so it's almost like the Tonali and Gordon sales, not that they don't count, that's overstating it, but that belongs to a different bookkeeping period now. So you've got all of these these different things and us and tottenham to be fair and tottenham are a club who obviously made tons of mistakes but pure business terms their wage to revenue ratio has been low which is now giving them the ability to go and spend 100 million on tonali because they're not in any trouble they're also not in europe so they can push the limits a bit because they won't be for one year they won't be subject to uefa and all of that so i i'm with you i think there are loads of these kind of slight changes in the market that that we're going to see and one of them is going to be uh well it already is like clubs circling around guys like newcastle and villa who've kind of had to overspend to come to the level that they're at and that's the part of the argument the newcastle and villa fans that complain about the regulations conveniently ignore they're like oh we can't compete because we can't spend all this it's like no no no no you've already spent it that's what's got you yeah this level like Aston Villa were in the championship right until 2019 and you've suddenly become a champions league club that wins the Europa League sorry you how did you do that because you spent a lot of money and um and so yeah and so there's there's all these like slightly different dynamics going on and I I do think we're in a very, very good position to take advantage of some of those.

31:41There's so many things about this that I find so interesting, Tim. One is really a change of perspective for me, but I will say just from a Newcastle standpoint, you think about what they thought they were going to get with the Saudi takeover. And now you look at Elliot Anderson that they sold, Ilanga that they sold, Izak that they sold, Tenali, Gordon, maybe Bruno. know it really feels like they they just are kind of slipping away from being a team that's going to be competing for even European places at this rate um it is what it is I won't I won't cry any tears about it but it is an interesting thing to observe look here's why I think I've come around a little bit I was very militant five or six seasons ago about how I thought we should behave in the market.

32:29And I feel not justified, but I feel that I had a reason for that militance in my perspective, which is you have to start doing the right things to get back to where we wanted to be. You can't keep doing dumb things, you know, thinking short term, you have to have some vision of building for the future. And we did. We started buying players pre prime, and they started to age into their primes together. And we continued to do that so that when we hit a winning window, all our players were sort of prime and it kind of worked. But Kai Osaka's in his prime. Kai Havertz, Declan Rice, Zubamendi, Odegaard, Saliba, Gabby, Timber, you know, Cal Fiori and Capier on the younger side, but they're also, like, all these players, David Wright, they're all in the heart of their prime right now.

33:19Now, some of them have been more important than we thought, some maybe less important than we thought, you know, whatever the case may be. and so there is a need to backfill of course now you could say we're backfilling with max maybe with ethan if he stays we're backfilling with miles lewis skelly and maybe a solis comes in you know we wanted jeremy manga there are there are things that we could be doing to backfill for the development but when you're in your winning window your primary concern has to be extending it it cannot be what do we if we spent this window worrying about what do we do when rice is done when Saliba's done, when Gabby's done, when Saka's done.

33:56First of all, that wouldn't be fair to those players who are here now and want to keep winning. And second of all, you have no ability to understand what that rebuild is going to look like at this time. So I think this is the right thing in that respect. But here's the other thing I think I've come around to learning. My theory that you have to kind of buy young and find those values in the market and then develop them and then you have resale value what's the theory there all right you buy a good player you buy a good player for 30 million at 22 they're good and they're developing and by 26 they've developed into a really great player so you sell them yeah well that that doesn't help you or you buy oh you buy a 22 year old for for 30 million good value bargain he doesn't really turn out to be very good what are you going to get for him well what did we get for samby what did we get for Fabio Vieira.

34:47So you kind of go one of two directions. You buy a player with the hope that they're elite. And if they're elite, you don't want to lose them. Or you buy a player that never develops into an elite player. And you're not getting any money for them because nobody wants them and you have them on Premier League wages. So, you know, to me, I get it. Do you want to buy a bunch of players who are aging out of their prime and have absolutely no resale value? No, you can't build a whole squad that way. But I think that you cannot be militant about avoiding those players. Adam Vogue posted on Blue Sky, he said, I was just playing with the formula, and here are the transfer age midfielders who are within a reasonable distance of Bruno in creativity, progression, and out of possession value added.

35:25These are the names. Angela Stiller, I think a fascinating player, by the way, but coming from the Bundesliga, unclear what you get. Adam Morton, 100 million if you can get him at all or more. And you have the out of possession question, of course. James Garner was a fascinating player to me. He shows up great on data. People rate him. He's at Everton, though. Is the Sean Dyche system causing some things to look more progressive? I don't know. Great player, very interesting. Kodai Sano, who we've seen at the World Cup, and Luciano Valente. You know, those last two are sort of like, I think, punts on value and hope.

35:55That's not the area we're in right now. So, for me, looking at that list, Bruno feels like value. I want to do this, Tim. I want to talk about who he's going to play with, how you see it impacting the rest of the squad, because we start to look like we have a big midfield group. I don't want to get your thoughts on that uh we could talk a little bit about meslier as well and um you know and then get out of here so let me before we talk about why this is the end of zuba mendy's arsenal career forever kidding i'm kidding it isn't it's the end of odigo no i'm kidding it's not it's the end of no elliot stop when you're at the bottom of the hole stop digging that's the first way out okay i am going to tell you about brands because you asked for it you didn't ask for it but you're getting it anyway.

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