Tzolis In, Slot Out, Saliba Worries Intensify

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1:21It's Rice. What a goal! Declan Rice with an absolute rocket with a free kick. Arsenal lead 1-0. He's cut inside. Saka! Sublime finish. He's back with a bang with Bukayo Saka. 1-0. Unbelievable. Look, everybody's a little bit down about the England thing. But the one thing that always helps? Transfer news. This is the Arsenal Vision Post-Match Podcast. My name's Alex Fitzpatrick, Black Man, Twitter, Yank, Twitter. Yeah, we've got transfer news. David Ornstein confirms. that Christos Solis' deal is done. 40 million euro, and he's ours. We have our new left-wing superstar. I don't want to say this definitively.

2:03From what I'm hearing, our business has concluded for the window. So I'm really satisfied with that. I don't know if I'm kidding. Don't worry, don't worry. Look, I view the England game through the lens that I always view big England moments through, which is, were any Arsenal players directly culpable for the loss, and will that affect them going forward? And as far as I can tell, the answer is no. So we can all breathe a sigh of relief there. But we will touch on that a bit. But if you want the full ranting and raving, the World Cup Daily is out and you can listen to that. A One Club episode came out yesterday with Clive and Tim over on the Patreon covering a massive rebuild going on for Arsenal Women.

2:39So you can listen to that. We did a Tuesday night Clive with Clive on the Patreon where I think Clive and I had, you know, an interesting conversation. conversation now you might say clive had an interesting conversation and elliot was present but either way i think it's worth listening to saliba 50 is the code half off uh the first month you can check it all out we obviously will have some additional stuff going on and our christos scout christos solely scouting video is there you can watch it i like this player we're going to be talking about that today and our app of course it'll be a free app not ad supported or anything like that app will be out soon for ios and soon to follow on uh android if apple ever gets off their bottom and actually just approves the thing so once that's done we can get it out to you okay uh here with me now is a man uh that i i call a friend i call a fellow podcaster i call a tremendous arsenal supporter i also call him other things but not on a hot mic but his name is paul and he's here now.

3:37Hello, Paul. Woo-hoo! How are you, my friend? I'm doing great. Yeah, great. I quite like that intro. You've given me many intros. Some have been very cruel. That one was pretty good. Yeah, yeah, the cruelty was subtle and buried. I just want to say, I just want to say, Elliot, on behalf of the listeners who don't even know this, that we are with you in these hard, hard times as an American going through what you're going through at the moment. With the England team? your refrigerator oh oh god so yeah i'll get personal for a minute uh yeah the music do you have music the uh the refrigerator is out it's on the fritz that means everything in the freezer and refrigerator uh needs to be tossed away it means water is leaking out of the refrigerator because of the freezer because the freezer contains ice which is uh this is interesting science corner here uh when the ice heats up it turns into liquid water um did not see that coming yeah uh and so uh just like pickford to enzo's shot but um so that's going on and then i was supposed to be taking the kids away for a little road trip vacation with my wife and my two daughters to uh lake superior which is a beautiful area up in the northern part of minnesota where i live one of the largest lakes in the world and just a really lovely quick getaway horrible forest fires in the area leading to deeply unhealthy and unsafe air quality conditions so now we have to figure out what to do with that so um i can tell you more about uh what's happening in my personal life but i suspect yeah yeah whatever elliot but let's go back to the refrigerator the the thing that we understand as non-americans is how central to your identity your refrigerator is that's because that's where the food is dude yeah well but your ice and your cold water with lots of ice in it i mean your whole world when you go to a restaurant the first thing you do when you sit down you come for food is they start queuing up behind you the waiters to give you water with ice in it for some reason you know obsessed the water breaks in the world cup i'm gianni infantino gets a lot of shit over the water breaks we know why you're getting water breaks it's the americans they want the water with the ice in it they just haven't had the balls to have a hydration break at the start of the game like they do in a restaurant when you're sitting down for food and they come yep sorry well what it was so my dad maybe my dad should move to europe because my dad when he goes to a restaurant orders the same thing every time a diet coke with no ice no ice and the funny thing is in europe this would be no problem he just ordered a coke light and they would bring it to him and there'd be no ice in it but here he gets the eye roll from the server and server comes back with this giant flask flagon of diet coke that's like warm and then he's saying i don't understand why it's not cold and it's like come on man what are we even doing here um a conflicted american yeah yeah maybe he's just a deeply self-hating american which to be fair you know That's the thing.

6:44Okay. Let's talk about Arsenal. Yeah, I know. Actually, all right, fine. Let me get your quick thoughts. England are out. Like I said, I was kind of joking, but I'm kind of not. I do root for England. I was hoping that they would do it. I have a lot of friends who, you know, are deeply unhappy about the result and switched pretty seamlessly and smoothly from sadness to anger, which is good, mostly directed at Thomas Tuchel. But, like, my lens of analysis is were any Arsenal players directly culpable? And no, Rice played well, then he had to come off because he's unwell. Saka didn't play, Nani didn't play, Ezzet didn't play.

7:18And whatever you want to say about those decisions about what that means, it means that they don't come under direct fire for this. So any other thoughts beyond that very Arsenal-centric perspective? Yes, the Arsenal players had managed to clear the blast radius, I think. Declan Rice being the closest to it, but I think he can safely say he got out of there before it all melted down. What's also interesting is you hear Arsenal pulled into the discussions after the game in terms of how to sit in a, how to drop back and hold on to a game. And like, it's interesting. I think it's instructive. it's like you can do something well or do something badly and we do very well and we actually maintain a shape and we saw once or twice in games last last season the premier league what happened to us when we didn't when we kind of dropped into a back five and and kind of was all all men to the pump kind of thing but didn't hold the shape and and dropped into our own back line and like England just aren't good at that.

8:25They got away with it a couple of times. But you hear a lot of references to, well, Arsenal do it and it's like how you do something and this was not their plan. And identity, and it has become part of our identity as a club. It's part of England's identity, but not defending with shape. It's just like hanging in there and dropping back and forgetting how to pass the ball around midfield. I just think it's a very interesting conversation about identity of a club and what we've become and identity of England and what they're not able to move past. which is what happens to Argentina when they're under pressure, what happens to Spain when they're under pressure, what happens to England when they're under pressure and fatigued, and you go to what the collective idea of identity is.

9:21Anyway, well done good. I won't totally repeat. I will somewhat repeat some of the stuff that I said on the World Cup Daily. But, like, look, obviously the substitutions were diabolical. They made it a lot worse. Keenest. Keenest. And to your point, like, you can defend deep in a really effective way if you have some space between your two lines, your two banks of four, so that four defenders are in control of the wide areas in the box, four defenders are in control of the balls into the box and the shooters at the top of the box. and there's some ability to keep them at a distance. When it's one line of eight, no one knows who the hell to cover in the box, and there's no pressure on the ball either for shooting or for crossing.

10:11And that's what it kind of became for England. I mean, look. When you see Messi getting time and space in the areas he couldn't get all game, you know that they're defending without a plan, right? Yeah, yeah, exactly. And, I mean, if you look at the England game against Mexico, obviously, Kwanzaa got sent off. But forgetting the Morgan Rodgers sub, which was at 90 minutes, Stones, Byrne, and Spence came on. Saka came off. Elliott Anderson ultimately came off. And Nico O 'Reilly came off. So, you know, essentially, you had to lose one attacker. But he left Declan Rice in there. Rice was able to play.

10:56Obviously, he left Gordon in for some kind of out ball. He didn't make the subs, those other subs, until 75 minutes. Like, I just think there was a more coherent team on the pitch to defend, even with 10, than there was with 11. 7 % possession between, what was it, 72 minutes and 92 minutes. Yeah, there was some insane stats. like they completed two passes during that period of time and those two passes were between stones and pickford passing back to each other so like if you put on five subs and gave them no instruction you'd expect to do a little better than seven percent possession and cons cons are taken taking the balls and the trying to get it into the box on one end messy on the other end it's like my god where is the plan not good so well look i mean england are out it's a shame but it means we can go full steam ahead into arsenal now um you know i mean there is a world cup final we'll obviously be watching it michael marino scoring the winner is going to be fun uh and you know he he will come back with his stock massively risen um we missed him certainly at the tail end of last season i think you know when you look at the injuries we suffered last season the extent to which we just kind of cobbled through and survived them.

12:15It's easy to forget that our best football last season was played before we lost Mikel Marino and when he was a big part of things. So I'm looking forward to him winning the World Cup. But we do have an Orn Barm. Orn Barm? We have an Orn Barm. Balm. Balm. An Orn Balm. It is a balm. It is a salve for the people that were just miserable about England. This balm gives you some kind of salve, of balm, based on transfer news. I don't know where I'm going with this. Just follow me. So here's what - You're not going anywhere. You're there. Posted. I am there. Arsenal reach agreement with Club Brugge to sign Christos Solis.

12:53Deal for 24-year-old left winger done at 40 million euro. Asking price by Club Brugge. Move in process of being finalized. Greece International wanted and prioritized an AFC move throughout. Obviously, Leo Troussard is gone. He posted his emotional farewell message, called himself your guy, Mr. Clutch. Did you see that? No, I did. At the end, he goes, you know, like, thanks for everything. I'll always care about you, Arsenal fans. Your guy, Mr. Clutch. And I thought, the stones on this guy. I love it. I love it. He nicked it. I've never heard anybody call him Mr. Clutch. He calls himself Mr. Clutch.

13:29That's great. That's a beautiful thing. and I loved it. But Mr. Clutch is gone. Mr. I don't know, soon to be Clutch is in. Paul, I love this move. I like this player. We scouted him. And because I looked at, you know, 40 minutes of video, I'm now an expert on him. I'm joking. I'm not. But I liked what I saw. And I think any frustration with this signing is purely order of operations because people want bigger names, more exciting talent. But this is just like how Leo was when we bought him. The kind of signing you have to make in addition to the bigger ones you do. So I'm curious how you feel about this.

14:03I am glad that this one is in the bag following Leo's departure. Yes. So Zalas is Greek. Is it Greek? Is Greek for clutch. Oh, there you go. Mr. Clutch, just in Greek. I'm surprised how joined up the thinking feels, right? I mean, these transfers always start great and then the guy actually plays for you. And if you see my avatar thing on Twitter, it's like, remember we bought the six lads, Ramsdale and the boys. That's my little picture on Twitter. And I remember when we got the six, we had a conversation. I'm like, well, the thing about transfers is you got two that work out, two that are so-so, and two that don't work out.

14:49And if we went back to who the six were, that's probably about right. So we don't know. In comes this Mr. Tsoulas. And look, you've watched 35 minutes more video than I have, but the five minutes I saw, he's fecking brilliant. No, he looks really good. I'm surprised that he said left winger, because I read a couple of things that said left wing or right wing or centrally, but they always say that. He definitely plays off the left more. Well, I should say definitely. He does based on what we watched when we watched the video. But you know the way they always say you can play off the left or the right or centrally, so that you're getting your money's worth.

15:29And sometimes that's true. I just like the way Leo said goodbye yesterday, and it kind of was official. And today, first thing, at least for the US side of things, is here's this guy who comes in. It's almost like that guy's gone. This is the replacement for that guy. Not for the left wing, for that exact guy. just feels very joined up. He's going to have time to be, like we love a good preseason, you and I, Elliot, right? Preseason's the real season. It's a fun time. Yeah. We'll be in Dublin. We'll be in Dublin for the one game preseason. Rub it in. And, you know, we're going to, hopefully, I don't see any reason why not, see a lot of solace during preseason.

16:15And the bam from solace might be very encouraging. We're going to need players. We're going to need a fast start. We're going to need cover. This guy can play in apparently seven positions, and we'll probably need him in three or four. We haven't even mentioned so far. So getting numbers in will be key, settling him in. We don't want it to be one of those. Well, he joined us at the end of the transfer window, so he had a crap first season. How about he joins us nice and early, becomes part of the mix, settles in, and has a really good, fast start to the season. So I say welcome to him. look he looks really good um i read good things about him i've i need another week or so now to become an actual expert on him to talk in depth like you can yeah i mean i leave the expertise to me on this one thank you uh so a few things first of all this is a guy who produced a lot of end product 17 goals and 23 assists in the belgian league and And for people who haven't been as convinced by Jokeres, they might say, well, we saw a guy who produced a lot of output in the Portuguese league.

17:29And, you know, he did OK in the Premier League, but it was clear that the step up in level was a challenge for him. Before I say anything on that, because I have stuff to say, I'll ask you what you would say about that. Because for people who are somewhat Jokeres skeptics, I think they would suggest that they have the same kind of concerns about league transition with Solis. yeah look i i don't have a i think that's a valid concern query we've been through it once so it's like we know what the question is and we've dug into it and we've we've signed this guy he looks good he's played in europe he's played against good teams in europe but like i don't even think you can say well somebody was good in the champions league so it'll be good in premier league that's a different thing as well it's i'm not saying it's easy it's just different so i'm i'm assuming we've done our homework and like you've watched some tape on him do you see this guy as a ball to feet guy a run-in behind guy he's ball to feet he's not a dribbler so so let me give you my take on it from what i watched and from what i've read and i don't want to pretend like i'm the authority and what i'm saying is right i'm giving you my view your initial thoughts on 40 minutes ball defeat uh more of an inside left than a touchline winger right so very leo so far leo operates in leo spaces a little different but but what i would say the things i really like first of all he has enough burst um and and you can say well how can you tell speed based on the belgian league the champions league does provide sprint speed data at least top sprint speed, which I know is not, this is not definitive, but his top sprint speeds compare well with the upper echelon of sprinters, which at least shows he's got some top speed.

19:19But he's not a sprint away, a tear away winger, and he's not a dribbler. What I think he does well is that he has two excellent feet. He's very strong with both feet. And because he's very strong with both feet, He's what I'd call a one-cut player. He cuts inside and delivers with his right, or he cuts outside and delivers with his left. First time, early decisions, quick, thoughtful, intelligent distribution off both feet. He can shoot with both feet. So if you get him the ball on the left channel, picture this, right? Left channel, left foot. He will shoot across the keeper with his left foot accurately.

19:56He does not need to chop it back. When you think about how many times players lose opportunities in the box or near the box because they're in the channel or their wide area of the box and they've got it on their left and they're a right-footed left side winger because that's what's trendy now and they have to get it back onto their right to shoot or deliver. He will cut it across the corridor of uncertainty or shoot across the keeper with his left. If it's on his left in the box, if it's on his right, he can curl it. And I think that shows in his 17 goals. And by the way, you know just to to put a little bit on this his 17 goals from seven come from 17.4 expected goals he does have three penalties in there so he'd say 14 goals from 14.24 non-penalty xg so his goals equal xg roughly and i like that because i i do want to say something about this we we make a big mistake i think in our analysis where we look at someone who overperformed their xg in a season and go, aha, finally we're getting a finisher.

20:57No, because the problem is most players don't overperform their XG season in, season out, season in, right? That's not actually how this works. What I like when a player has 17 goals on 17 XG is you can say they created a high volume of scoring opportunities. If you buy a guy who has 17 goals on seven XG, what if it just turns out they were on a hot streak and they're not actually very effective. And I'll give you an interesting example. When Martinelli had his 15 goal season, I think it was on like nine expected goals or something. And as it turns out, he's never really repeated that goal scoring prowess.

21:35And so I do think that that's, you know, something to bear in mind is that he is a guy who does create an end product. Now you could say that end product is in the Belgian league and I agree, but I think when you're very two footed and have good technique and just enough burst and you make good decisions, I think things like good decisions and two-footedness and technical quality translate. It's physical power and speed that sometimes don't translate as much. So I'm, and just so we're clear, Paul, I'm not saying he's coming in and he's going to be Mohamed Salah for us. I'm saying I think he can come in and be a valuable asset to the squad.

22:12And if that is, by the way, playing in league phase, Champions League games, he's shown he can do that. If that's playing the cup ties, he can do that. And if that's playing some of the lower level Premier League opposition, I think it will translate. That's where I'm at with Solis. Bloody hell. I was more looking for like 10 to 15 seconds. Welcome to our new section. That was 10 to 15 seconds plus. Welcome to our new section, Thursday Night Elliott. Man. We were signing a play. We stopped just short of his love life. I love the bit where you said, you could say, and I'd like, I could if I could get a word in edge.

22:48Now you could say. Now you could say. that was really good i'm fired up i read he was a bit dribbly so you don't think he's he's big on the dribbles he's not a dribbler no yeah no what i did see in the bit i looked at was like and look it's highlight clips but like there's a skill to watching highlight clips and i think i've developed it he's really picks out a clever pass that's what i've seen so far that i'm looking to like very quick looks up sees a pass and you're like you don't see it looking at looking at the YouTubes he sees it and he hits it now that's there's a lot of survivor bias those are the clips that made YouTube but like I thought he was unusually smart at his his kind of outpass or I see a lot of Leo Trossard in what you're saying and what you describe whether you like that comparison or not no i i so first of all the problem with comparing him to leo right is that for for everybody right now that's a very emotive kind of comparison right you're taking a player that's hugely appreciated hugely liked regarded as a success you compare him to him because he's vaguely he he's not ready to like this guy plays in the channel like what is the comparison exactly i think he's more two-footed than leo um i think leo had leo's very two-footed i i think no, I'm going to disagree.

24:13I'm going to disagree. I'm going to disagree with your disagreement. Fair. But, no, it's not that Leo can't use both feet. I think, but Leo has more power in his game, probably. I think he's probably more effective dropping deeper, but also Leo was a support striker for a while, right? And so I think he is a more natural goal scorer, probably. I mean, I know Solis got a lot, but 14 goals in the Belgian League, 14 non-penalty goals, like it's good. I think Leo is probably a bit more natural of a goal scorer. But I think what Solis can give us is he can facilitate, like he was in the 100th percentile for chance creation in the Belgian League.

24:52But if you look at his Champions League output, that's obviously where it comes back down to earth a bit. Now, there's not as many games played, but 70th percentile for XG and still 82nd percentile for expected assists. The top speed was in the 72nd percentile. Sprints, 90th percentile, number of sprints. Sorry, sprint distance, 90th percentile, number of sprints, 93rd percentile. So, you know, we like these players, right, that have sprint repeatability, that can run and run and run, that have that fitness level, that have that intensity. But if you look at his dribbles, I mean, he was in the 18th percentile for dribbles in the Champions League and 54th percentile in the Belgian League.

25:39Now, you might say, okay, he's not good on the ball. It's not that. He's just, he's not going to dribble his guy. He's a one-cut player and make a quick decision and distribute off both feet. They both speak Belgian? I don't know that I expect him to be as good as Leo. but I think he's good enough for our level as long as we have another player in the mix that is meant to be the guy, you know? Yeah, sure sounds a lot like Leo, just younger, and we got to give him a little time to see if he can develop. Look, Leo is Mr. Clutch, and Zolas is Belgian for Clutch. So we'll see. That's right. And once you realize that, they're basically identical players.

26:24I mean, what I'll be curious to see is if he is as comfortable on the ball as Leo has been. You know, just like, and look, I will say profile-wise, they do profile similarly from a data standpoint, right, in terms of the number of passes they play, their creative stats. Right, they're, I mean, Leo is two-footed, but I actually think Solis has a better left foot than Leo does. Sure. um they're not i'm not saying they're yeah i'm not saying they're actually the same player and that they sold us back the same guy i'm just saying you know if you got their radars for profile together don't do that because i'm sure radars always look completely different but anyway in my mind what you've described is somebody who kind of has the same kinds of strengths and powers and they will they will evolve differently or they are different one or the other but well so let's look at this same neck of the woods yeah um so let's look at so one thing that you can look at actually so yeah leo's shots were predominantly uh predominantly right foot i guess same for so solely so solely's took 82 right footed shots 34 left footed shots um and if we look at leo and that's in the Belgian league by the way um so 82 and 34 paul yeah compared to let's look at leo 4 ,000 here you go 36 and 13 yeah so maybe just a bit pretty pretty similar range there but again lots of shots lots of end product i think he's good let's um let's just do this really quickly before we move off Solis, let me just ask you, do you anticipate that, what do you anticipate the role and the involvement of Solis to be?

28:19I mean, Leo became essentially our first choice left-sided attacker. I don't think that's what we anticipate with Solis, and I don't think that's the last player we will bring in who can play in that position. Well, if we assume that it's Morgan Rodgers for the time being, then I think that's kind of it, and Rodgers can play off the left. He can play left eight-ish. And, you know, if we keep Martinelli, then I'd see a battle between the two of them, but probably Solis coming out on top over a little time like Leo did. And then Rodgers plays off the left. We've got Eza. I mean, you know, we've got plenty of names for that side of the pitch, I think, if you assume Rodgers.

29:04If you don't assume Rodgers, like there isn't an analogue, I don't think, for Rodgers. If you bring somebody else in, they're going to be much more role-specific. I think you can start Rodgers in a few different places, and he'll still pretty much come into midfield and drop and pick up the ball and power or go from midfield out wide. You know, we saw him putting in the cross for England yesterday off the right wing where he had started, but he kind of joined the midfield on many occasions to help out and use physical. So I think the first move is, do you have Rodgers or don't you? And that changes everything.

29:42And you can't really talk about it sensibly in a world in which that decision hasn't come to pass. Does that make sense? I think it does, yeah. So I think we can move on from the Solis thing for now. I mean, the exciting part is he's in time, you know presumably get the medical done be all signed and announced very shortly here where he can be with the group for preseason and i think there are certain players you know a morgan rogers for example a bruno gamarais for example that have deep league experience who are elite talents and who can come in and and make an impact fairly quickly i think there are signings that don't do that as well.

30:29I mean, we saw with Mikel Marino, he came in from another league. He was a unique kind of profile. The first thing he does is he injures his shoulder. And it was a pretty long time before I think we all felt that we understood the player and that the player understood his role with us. And when he did, boy, oh boy, did that make a big difference. I think you need a preseason when you're changing leagues and coming into a totally new structure and new team, maybe just also to get acclimated to being in London and what it's like coming to Soba Realty every morning and what the dynamics are. You're changing your whole life as a young man.

31:03Think about being a 24-year-old moving country, moving city, away from what you've known your whole life or, you know, I realize maybe not his whole life, but what your life has been at a young age. It's disruptive. I think it's great that we're getting him in now. I think these are the kind of players that benefit from a settled, comfortable preseason. I'm looking forward to seeing him hopefully in Dublin. And you know what? The Emirates Cup. Rub it in. Because that's our first trophy to win. And then the Community Shield, we win that trophy. And then when we win the other four, does it count as six?

31:34Or are you not giving us the Emirates Cup? You're only giving us five, the quint. No, no. It counts as six. It would be the sex tuple, which no other club has ever done. Now, you could say some players have done a lot of sex, but you're saying, do you say, oh, sextuple? Yeah, Elliot, you're trying to pull me into ground that I'm trying to stay away from. I should know better at this point. Okay, we have more transfer news, this time a transfer out. Juliet Slott is moving on. I don't think either of us have deep expertise. Speak for yourself, Elliot. And so I think it is the perfect topic for us to go deep on in the podcast.

32:16Let me tell you how much I know about it. When you said about the slot news, I assumed Arne Slott, I jumped on the internet and found out he was becoming the Dutch manager potentially and that Liverpool were going to pay part of his wages. So that's what I have to contribute to this conversation, if that's at all helpful. Yeah, well, here's what I will tell you. I know there are some things around Juliet Slott's time at Arsenal that are a bit controversial. Some of that related to, I think, the Ashburton Army's amount of tickets they were given and some of that around the ballot. I'm not versed enough in those goings on to speak to that.

32:58So I'm going to stay in the aspect of what she did as the commercial officer. and as the chief commercial officer the one thing that can't be denied is that she oversaw a boom time at Arsenal in terms of additional partnerships in terms of additional revenue for the club and you know this is the kind of stuff that as supporters I don't know that we actually need to get too invested in that but if you're going to get invested in transfer rumors and you're going to get invested in bringing in talent you kind of have to care about the revenue um according to magic hat the magic top hat uh on on twitter she uh he says that slot and her team signed up 15 new sponsors in 25 26 alone which should contribute another 65 million pounds per annum moving forward that's per lou class uh per the magic per loaded elliot well i I mean, look, this is what a chief commercial officer does.

34:01And if you have to break a few eggs to make an omelette. Obviously, there's the beer one. There's sleeve sponsorships. There's all kinds of brands that were signed up. In fact, brands I didn't realize we'd signed arrangements with, like Paramount +, Facebook, WhatsApp, Coca-Cola, Guinness. Obviously, we know Asahi. We obviously know L 'Oreal Paris. You know, HFM markets, things like that. So ADT security, no idea. what that's all about. But more of the story is that the Arsenal revenue has skyrocketed. Some of that, of course, is due to the performance on the pitch. And it's hard to evaluate a chief commercial officer because a chief commercial officer is operating either with wins at their back or wins in their face in the sense that if the club is performing terribly and you're out in the market trying to secure sponsorships, you have to be a lot more savvy than if you're like, hey, see these million people in the street?

34:55See all these videos on social media that keep going viral, the celebrations, see all the things we're winning and all the big games we're in. Do you want a piece of this? It's a lot easier pitch to sell that, Paul. So I think anytime there's change like this, it can be a disruption. But if the deals are in place and the revenue is locked in, the next person comes in with a really good base to understand our partners, get to know them and try to extend those deals over time. I'm not ultimately that concerned about this. Yeah. I mean, fair play to Julia. From what I understood, she played chief commercial officer but she also can play right wing and centrally so you know it's it's not easy to replace someone like that but um i go to your point that the success of the club has has a huge amount to to to do with the commercial success you can achieve um she may have well have been central to maximizing that but but it's kind of if you get the sequence right if you get the gains then you can get the right person to follow that it's very deep we may have been lucky to get the right person before we had this uplift in our fortunes and that's fantastic and thank you julia but now you've got the uplift now the commercials are heading in the right direction success begets success and now you have a genuinely great opportunity to find the next person to take you on to the next stage so uh we'll see yeah and i mean the the fundamental reality of arsenal is that it's run by josh and stan end of story does anyone think richard garlick is running the club i mean of course he has an important voice i you know i don't want to suggest he doesn't but stan and josh are the decision makers right they they run the club and to the extent that the club is successful or not successful the people that have the most impact on that players the manager and the owners.