Andre Ward & Roy Jones Jr. Breakdown the Canelo vs Crawford Fight

0:00What up, it's your boy Roy Jones Jr. I'm hanging out with my man, Andre Ward. We threw Hall of Famers to bring y 'all a new show called A Hall of Game. A show where we discuss boxing, sports, life, and entertainment from our view. How much better than that can you get? Me and Roy don't always agree, but one thing you will get is a Hall of Fame worth a game. Man, we coming off of a tremendous fight weekend. A big day for the sport of boxing. A lot to talk about. But before we get into that, we got to start the show on a bit of a sadder note. Ricky Hatton, nicknamed the hit man from Manchester, England.

0:45We got the news the day after the big fight with Terrence Crawford and Canelo Alvarez, September 14th in the early morning. there was a welfare check at the house of Ricky Haddon and his body was found lifeless in that house and there's no signs of foul play and an investigation is still going forth but man Roy what did you think and how did you feel when you got the news about Ricky Haddon? Very heart touching man I had just seen him not long ago I had an event we were all at I think matter of fact it might have been the hall of fame or something like that and you know it was a very tragic situation for me because I've been knowing Ricky for quite some time now and we share a mutual friend and Dennis Hobson who was basically his promoter at one point.

1:33So it's kind of rough for me even feeling bad for Dennis because I know how close he and Dennis were. So yeah, it's a touching situation, but I mean, we lost another good one. We lost another good one and condolences to Ricky Hatton's family. He survived by several children I believe it's one son and two daughters. He also had a grandbaby and his mother and his father still living. So just condolences to the Hatton family. A devastating news. You know, my father died the same age as Ricky at 46 years old. We don't know how he died, but in a similar fashion here today, gone tomorrow. It's devastating to say the least.

2:17The boxing community, if we get nothing right, We know how to rally in these types of situations and moments. And it's been a blessing just seeing everybody from all over the world show love and respect to Ricky and his family and to really just go over his career and start to relive some of his big moments. And I just want to take a moment to talk a little bit about the first time I really started to take notice of Ricky Haddon. I had been watching him and hearing about this guy in England who wasn't always technically sound, but the man was ferocious in his approach. He lived and trained and fought the same way.

2:58He was on go at all times. And when I saw him face Ricky, excuse me, when I saw him face Costa Zoo in 2005 at a sold in at a sold out Manchester Arena. And this is Costa Zoo. This is a guy that, you know, can can can really hurt you with that right hand. Very physically strong. And you just saw Ricky Haddon apply that. Ricky Haddon approached, mauling, brawling, relentless, not giving you any time to rest. That was the first time that I really took notice of him. But one of my best memories of Ricky was when he fought Floyd Mayweather, sold out MGM Grand Arena in 2008. And at that time, Floyd was going back and forth between Dancing with the Stars.

3:46And I'm thinking in my mind, as we're watching the 24-7, I'm like, brother, you better lock in with Ricky Haddon. This ain't the guy to be playing with and Floyd eventually got eliminated from the show finished his camp but I remember Floyd being in his locker room and you could hear the crowd in the arena it's almost like the MGM Grand Arena was shaking because you hear all these fans from the UK screaming there's only one Ricky Hatton. And that thing was, it was lit. It was loud. And you can see Floyd processing what he was getting ready to get into. Floyd had never fought in front of a crowd like that before.

4:30So those are one of my fondest memories of Ricky. And up to that point at that time, I had not seen a fan base travel for their guy like that. That meant a lot. And that shows you what he meant to a lot of people because he was the first one i think to ever bring that magnitude of people from that side of the world over to this side i think he brought at least 20 000 plus fans with him from the uk to the usa and we would never be able to get that many fans leave the usa and go to the uk but 20 000 plus came all the way across the pond for ricky hat that showed you the kind of support, the kind of love, and the kind of humility he had amongst his people.

5:15People always talk about, like I said again, legacy and currency, but when you have a legacy where that many people will follow you, it says more about you than what currency ever could say. Ricky Hatton was truly a great man, a man that was loved by his country, a man that was loved by his peers, a man who meant a lot to the sport of boxing because of how much he was loved. he brought things to the sport that nobody else brought i mean he was a rugged guy no he wasn't the best boxer no he didn't have the best iq but he was so rugged and he bought the best of what he bought to the table he made up for it you understand his work ethic overruled all the technique and the technicalities you know i mean that work rate overruled all of that so he dominated in fights that most people would have thought his skill level should have never his skill level should have never beat Costa Zou.

6:04But that determination and that heart and that grit, it beat Costa Zou because he showed you that his grit was stronger than most of anybody we've ever seen. He was like, to me, he was a lighter weight version of Joe Frazier. He wouldn't stop him for nothing. He had a little bit of Roberto Duran in there too on that inside game. Yes, he did. Getting that position, moving that, clutching that arm, moving that arm, getting position and ripping them body shots. I'm going to say this last point on Ricky before we move on. you know i i appreciated his approach too because he didn't take himself too serious you know he was the hit man but but his fan base also called him and he called himself ricky fatten this is a guy that was at 140 pounds then eventually 47 this is a guy that would get up to over 200 pounds yeah and it was well publicized his time spent in the pub in manchester playing darts doing what they do and you know he said i like to drink and i like to eat and he would get that weight off every camp and boil down to 140 or 147 and go out there and compete um and it became a whole thing with his fan base and i just appreciated his approach to the game very very tough blow for the sport of boxing especially coming off a high like canelo and crawford uh Again, condolences to his whole family.

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8:35I want to get into this weekend. I want to get into this experience that we all had this weekend in Las Vegas at Allegiant Stadium. What a way to break in a new stadium. Yes. There'd never been a boxing match at Allegiant Stadium. Even early on when there was talks about this fight being moved to MSG. We love Madison Square Garden. That's the boxing mecca. We get it. But it felt like the fight should be at Allegiant Stadium. I mean, just looking at that stadium from the outside in, it just feels like that's where that fight should take place. And before I get into the business that happened in the ring, I want to get into the business that this fight produced outside the ring.

9:15The gross revenue is being reported at$47 ,231 ,000. That's the reported announced live gate. The attendance was 70 ,482 fans in the building. I'm looking way, way, way up before they turned the lights out. Couldn't see no empty seats. None. So it's a sellout and it's the highest grossing single day event in Allegiant Stadium history. The second biggest boxing attendance indoors in the U.S., surpassing Ali Spinks, too. And it's the third highest behind Mayweather and McGregor. These boys did business outside the ring before they even stepped in the ring. But as I saw both fighters walk to the ring, obviously, both fighters have been around a long time.

10:08Canelo's fought over 500 professional rounds, been in mega, mega fights for, you know, most of his career. Terrence Crawford has had his fair share of big events. And it's always interesting seeing those early moments going into a fight, the ring walk, body language and you get in the ring. To me, there wasn't Terrence Crawford didn't have the wide eye look. In fact, when he stepped from behind the tunnel and came out, he seemed to come alive when he saw the crowd. He looked up and he saw those people. And even though it was a pro Canelo crowd, it looked like it woke him up. And then when I saw Canelo, what I noticed about him was that brother look a lot different tonight than he did yesterday in his face.

10:53he was full faced his body looked like he put the weight on and it's interesting because during during that first round I mean the first two three seconds they touch gloves and Crawford flicked two jabs at Canelo and kind of stood his ground and I said okay we're gonna have a real fight tonight what was your early feel all the stuff I described how did how was you feeling in them first right before that first bell run it's a lot to say and I guess I'm gonna go along with you at this, but I do want to first say before I say it, before I forget it, I got to take my hat off to Canelo. He's one of the most gracious champions that the sport is ever going to see.

11:33He bowed out like a true champion should. He made no excuses. He just told it like it was. And that gives me even more love and respect for Canelo than I already had. And I had nothing but the utmost respect for him already. But the way he bowed out graciously without excuses gave me even more respect for him. But now to the good stuff that we got to go through. The thing that got me, Dre, was not even before the walkouts. But I didn't go into it and didn't want to elaborate too much because I didn't want to sway one side or the other. But in that stare down that we talked about when I told you either he's not ready for this or he turned a little boy, but he wasn't trying to look what Bud.

12:15He really was afraid. Well, not afraid, but he was worried about Bud. And Bud knew that. And Bud being the older guy, Bud kind of looked him in his eye and made him turn away first. That was a victory for Bud. That was Bud's first victory. Anytime that happens, if something else don't come around or something else don't happen to undo that, you got a problem. For me, when I fought John Reese, I went to the press conference, that same press conference right before the fight. He beat me in that press conference and that's the first time i ever lost in a press conference but he beat me in that press conference so so i had it well he dressed up as a pimp you know and i had i had no clues that none of that was coming and he said i was gonna be his little beat you understand me he got you with a shot and i had i had no comeback you understand what i'm coming from right so i had to pray to god for a comeback and sure enough god gave me a comeback you know but yeah at that point at the fight took place right after that he might have won the fight because he had me he had me a little bit shook because he outdid me at the press conference.

13:10I've never been outdone at a press conference. You understand me? Never been beat at a press conference, but he got me that time. Caught me off guard, but he did get me. So when I saw Bud stare at him like that and he turned away first, that sent shivers down my spine. I didn't want to say nothing, like I said, because I'm not here to take sides. I like both guys and boxing needed this fight more than anything else. And so I didn't want to manipulate and tell what I thought like I thought it because I wanted to stay in the middle because as a sport, this is one of the best things that could have happened to our sport right now.

13:40Two real fighters at a real time fighting one another. You understand me? I'm so appreciative of what they did that I didn't want to truly give my opinion or give my what I really thought the way I felt it because I wanted everybody to enjoy the fight. You understand where I'm coming from? But when he turned away like that, I kind of knew he was going to be in for a long night. Yeah, that is interesting because you and I talked about that, and it's very easy to blow that moment off right it could be nothing it could be a canelo alvarez that's making weight because he had a probably i know probably he had a tougher weight cut than terrence crawford you're doing fight week festivities uh talking to the media doing grand arrival uh doing press conferences weigh-ins most of the time your mouth is dry bro yeah you're dehydrated and you just can't wait to make the weight that could have just been it like i'm not getting ready to tussle with you and be trying to stare you down at this moment it could have just been that but if you've been in this game you know it means something you just don't know how much it means so I agree with you I saw that me and you talked about it and it was very very interesting because I don't see Canelo do that with a lot of guys I've seen him do that with guys that he's sort of dismissive toward guys that he knows it's I'm going to get you tomorrow night thank you for taking a challenge but you know this is my show and some thought that was a kind of trying to little boy and trying to son terrence i didn't think that i just thought that to your point terrence won that moment and um those things matter i think the last time i lost a face-off nobody could tell but me was edison miranda that was my that was in my hometown and um we're at the weigh-in and you know Edison Miranda is a real dude and that was a big moment for me so we do the face off and this man put his forehead on my forehead and he pressed up against my forehead and I'm trying to press back against his forehead and I don't remember who broke first but that moment it kind of had me for a second I remember getting in my car after the weigh-in I was like oh he's serious he didn't come to lay down like he ain't scared he really believes he's gonna win and that was a moment i had to get myself together in the hotel room between the weigh-in and the actual night of the fight so it happens to the best of us you just gotta recover as best as you can man it's just it just is what it is but but what i'm saying though what's so what's so funny about that though, Dre, is if you know boxing or if you ever done this before, you kind of got a feeling of what that meant right there because I got to take it and go a little bit further with it.

16:32I always had to boil down and wait. You understand me? Even when I didn't have to boil down, when I fought Reese, I was not going to turn away first. You understand me? But when I had to boil down and wait, I was so angry because I was boiling down and you was the reason I was boiling down. All that was in my eyes when I'm looking at you. You may not hear it, but you see it. I am honestly highly pissed off because I haven't eaten and I haven't been able to drink the way I want to eat and drink because of you. You understand me? So I'm not looking away from you first. I don't care what goes on.

17:04So when that happened, when that happened and me knowing you had to pull down further than Bud did and don't get it twisted. At that point, you're so weak and tired. You probably couldn't beat nobody if you didn't get into a fight with them. You understand? But that ain't what you portraying. You got to portray what you feel in your heart right now. You got to be a chameleon. Your heart got to talk right now. You understand me? And that's why I'm saying that bothered me because I know you had to pull down further than he did. But now he going to look at you last when he's the reason you put it down.

17:34But go back to sleeping in them setting sheets, too. Sometimes you sleep in them setting sheets. That stuff doesn't really matter no more. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You start giving in in areas that you normally wouldn't give in. Yes. You know, he'd been in the game a very long time. big events. This ain't new to me. I used to feel that way, but I don't feel that way now. That's the slippage. We think slippage sometimes is always, oh, he don't have the reflexes or he's not the one enough punches or the way he used to. Sometimes that slippage is here. Hunger. Sometimes I don't have that. That fire is burning, but not like it used to.

18:09That flame ain't as big as it used to. That adds up in big moments against another real guy. Especially the guy that's hungry but going into this fight there was no way that knowing what I know about Terrence Crawford and knowing what I know about Canelo Alvarez over the years that either guy was going to punk the other guy there was not going to be a situation where intimidation was going to win this fight or you know you're bigger than me so I'm not going to beat myself I knew both guys would be themselves And I talk about that first jab that Crawford threw right after they touched gloves. It seems like nothing, but that was a small message.

18:51Standing his ground for 10, 15 seconds, letting Canelo know I'm not going to retreat right away, even though eventually Crawford started boxing. That's that alpha stuff. That's that dominant stuff that when you've been dominant for so long, you can't think of not being dominant. I don't care who I'm on the other side. Who's on the other side of the ring I'm against. And that's what I saw from Terrence early in this fight. You know, I saw Canelo doing what I thought he would do. He eventually started pressing forward, landing lead body shots. And I, you know, I was on a call with John Anik and Max Kellerman the night of the fight.

19:24And I said, man, Canelo starting early with those lead body shots. Crawford can't allow him to do that because that starts to add up. And there was a moment also early in the fight where Canelo tried to stick to the script. they were in a clinch along the ropes and Canelo kind of got Crawford off of his feet a little bit and that was a moment and then later in the fight you see Crawford try to basically yoke up Canelo Alvarez and let him know that's not gonna happen this time but when I started seeing Crawford block shots and then counter I knew he was gaining ground and he had been he had he was he was on the sun because you cannot just retreat from an aggressive guy you cannot just block punches you can't you can't just do that you need to do that but at some point you gotta stay in a line of fire look down the barrel block that shot and let that other dude know that if you get stupid if you get reckless I'm gonna hit you back yeah he did that a lot and uh first I was kind of worried too because he let Canelo kind of have his way the first three or four rounds I felt you He let him kind of come forward as he chose.

20:35And he waited his time, which was very smart. Let some of that steam get off of him before you make your mark. Then he finally hit him with a shot. And I think the shot might have messed up Canelo's eye a little bit. And I said, oh, there goes a shot right there. Now he got Canelo's respect. When I saw that, I knew that now we may have a different fight. When he came right there, I think at the beginning of that sixth round, and he left that combination right away, I said, okay, now Bud is in command. Bud has this rhythm now. Now Canelo finna have to deal with something because he's walking around, like I said, and I kept saying beforehand, he got to fight this way, not that way.

21:10He's still fighting this way, and it made it very difficult for him because as Canelo Alvarez has been a great fighter his whole career, people like Erislande Lara gave you the blueprint on how to beat him. People like Floyd Mayweather also gave you the blueprint on how to beat him. But Bud is more fierce, more fearsome and more angrier and more meaner than both of those guys. so you know if they showed you the blueprint Bud gonna go out there and take that blueprint and do even more with it which is what Bud did so it was never a question in my mind whether Bud really was gonna outbox me just if he could take the punch and right away he showed bam he could take the punch so I know from that point if he just slow him down which he did he'd be okay then late in the fight what other people still didn't see late in the fight Bud started hitting Canelo's body one of those body shots I think about a 7th or 8th round hurt Canelo I was like whoa Bud hit him in the right spot then he got Canelo's respect with that, too.

22:02Bud fought a very, very awesome fight. Fought a beautiful fight. Very tactical. Very controlled. Yes, it was a beautiful fight for boxing. Fan-wise, it was a little different. He did give you some combinations, too, so you got to see that, too. But if it was like fan and fan, the Mexican fans, of course, wanted Canelo to win, and other people wanted Bud to win. Fan for the magnitude of the fight, for what the fight meant. It was a beautiful fight for everybody. It was a beautiful fight. Like, you know, Bud got hit with some shots. He did. He did. He got hit with some single shots going out. You know, he's going out, and you know Canelo, if he has you trapped in the corner or along the ropes, it's typically one to two big shots.

22:41You know that if you've watched him. So you could tell Crawford, as he was going out, he knew the one shot was coming. And several times it landed. He even got hit with a two-piece. I don't remember what round it was. An uppercut right hand that Crawford took well. So when you started seeing him absorb the shots, if you're team Crawford, you don't want him to take that shot. But if you start seeing you started seeing that now, you know that. OK. And I think that's what gave Crawford the green light to stay there a little bit longer. Right. There was a go ahead. Go ahead. He smiled about it. He smiled about it.

23:16And sometimes that smile can be a lie. And sometimes that smile can mean what I think it meant for Crawford, which is, oh, that's not as bad as I thought it was. but and i'm gonna say this too i gave canelo and we'll get to the scorecard at the end but i gave canelo four rounds me too and i seen y 'all playing with me before the fight the canelo friends i seen y 'all trying to put the put the little meme up about uh me giving crawford everywhere i seen y 'all i seen that i just didn't comment on it y 'all y 'all y 'all underestimating your boy's professionalism and integrity, but I didn't give Crawford every round.

24:00I played it down the middle like I was supposed to, but I gave Canelo that first round. I could have went either way. I think he landed a few heavier body shots that made me just tick that box for him. The next two rounds I gave to Crawford and I gave Canelo four and five. Again, If you look at the official scores, a lot of those rounds early on, you got the pin up like this. If you're scoring and you just be like, man, he did two good things or he closed that round. Man, I think I'm going to give it to him. Those are not broad rounds by any stretch of the imagination. But that back half was primarily Crawford.

24:39And I expected it to be that because I don't think I think Canelo started to concede at a certain point. I think that point was around round nine. That's the round when Crawford in the Southpaw stance, got in a fighting stance and started to exchange with Canelo and got the better of that exchange. That got the crowd woke. That got Crawford woke to let him know I can sit here with this dude. I can take the power and I'm getting the better of it. That was bad on Canelo. That was a bad look, but I think that's the round, if I'm not mistaken, that he reached out and he conceded once again. At the end of the round, his glove went like this.

25:21He reached out for Crawford. I don't think either Crawford seen it and didn't want to touch gloves or he didn't see it. He turned his back. I looked over to Max and I said, hey, that's a big sign right there. That's a show of what, Roy? Respect. We both saw that because soon he did that, I saw the same exact thing. so it's like when you see a guy turn and reach his hand out like that and the other guy just turn away what are you trying to shake my hand for now? We fighting we ain't shaking hands to the zone literally fight right now what are you doing? You understand me? But I felt like when the boy came out I think about the 6th round I want to say it was around the 6th round he came out and he sat right in the middle of the ring and he hit him with about 5 or 6 punches boom boom boom boom boom boom it was 9?

26:04Well maybe my memory right now I do have a bad mind so I could be wrong but I thought by round six or seven, but you could be right. Anyway, that round, when that happened, I knew then that Bud was in control and that that was going to be pretty much the end. I said, now Bud has control. Now he's going to go downhill from here. And that's exactly what happened. But to be honest with you, because I'm like you, I'm a guy that's in the middle. I gave Canelo probably more of the earlier rounds than most people did because he was fighting his fight. He was fighting aggressively. He was doing what he wanted to do.

26:33He was letting him bigger shots than Bud. So I gave him the first three or four rounds myself because he was being Canelo. You understand me? But then after round five or six, and I gave Bud a couple of men there too, but after round five or six, Bud came out and started being Bud. And when Bud started being Bud, Bud took over from that point. And to me, he clearly kind of just took over the rest of the fight. So I thought Canelo won maybe four or five earlier I gave him. But out of that back half, Bud took at least seven of them last, took seven out of that last, probably seven. So after that I just thought that Bud took the most rounds In the late part and that's why I thought Bud Won the fight easily Because the championship rounds he also won And you gotta win the championship Round this is Las Vegas And Las Vegas Not gonna call out any particular Judge but Las Vegas Has a tendency to go with the Money fighter the guy that's bringing in The biggest fan base That's bringing in the biggest revenue in close situations.

27:35Crawford has been fighting for a long time. He was aware of that. And that's why you saw him stepping on the gas, being aggressive 11 in the 11th round. If Terrence Crawford loses the 12th round, that's a split draw. They would have had two judges would have had it a draw. And the only judge that would have still had Terrence Crawford winning was Steve Weisfield, which I think is one of the best judges in the game. He knew that. And his corner was saying box. I know conventional wisdom is saying you probably up. You should box. This type of moment, you can't go off properly. You gotta go take it.

28:15You gotta put your stamp on it just the way he did because if we got a split draw, we having a whole totally different discussion right now. Whole different discussion. And for me... So he did... He did the right thing because if you notice, like I said, the reason like a person like me, if I was a betting man, normally I would just say, hey, I'm going to bet all my money on Crawford because I thought late in the fight, I didn't think Canelo was going to knock him out with one punch because like I kept telling people, Canelo don't really do a lot of one punch knockouts to the head unless it's a guy that's not known for really taking a big shot like that.

28:47You understand me? He'll weigh you down over a time, then get you a shot to hit, but he's not a one-punch knockout guy, which is why I didn't think he really was going to knock Crawford out. But what I was afraid of was because you see the B-ball fight, I thought B-ball was up 9-3. And if B-ball would have lost that last round, that would have been a draw too. You understand what I'm coming from? So it's like when you notice this, like you just said, when you know how that goes, as a fighter, you know you got to keep stepping on the cast. You can't just stop and say, okay, I think I got this in the bag.

29:18No. Look what happened with Oscar De La Hoya and Felix Trinidad. Oscar, the one early rounds, I thought he had in the bag, took the foot off the gas, and they gave it to Trinidad. You understand where I'm coming from? So it's like, you cannot take your foot off the gas in no big fight. I don't care who you are. So that's why a lot of people were mad at me about the situation with Lomachenko and Devin Haney. You know what I said? But he took it, he beat him in 11 rounds. He lost the 12th round, though, bro. That's what did it. He lost the 12th round. No, no, no. I'm agreeing which I'm saying Loma did not close the fight.

29:50Loma lost the 12th round. If you win that 12th round, you might win the fight because them two championship rounds, you won 11 rounds bigger than anybody won any round in the whole fight. So if you win 11 and 12 like that, you might get it. But you gave the 12th round away, they're not going to get you that decision, bro. I'm sorry. And so it's like, I mean, Loma was one of my favorite fighters, but you can't go out there and take your foot off the gas. I mean, and then get mad about it. No. Crawford did what you thought he was going to do and he closed the show you got to close the show if you really believe that you are better than this man you got to close the show you got to do it for 12 rounds and leave no doubt because again if he had lost that 12th round we'd have been having a totally different discussion right now and right now Terrence Crawford it took him 17 years to become an overnight success now you see everybody oh have you heard about that Terrence Crawford he sure can fight and it's just like that sometimes for certain guys sometimes some guys catch early and some guys catch on late if you know boxing and you don't have nothing personal against the guy and you can think clearly about what you're seeing and you know what you're seeing Terrence Crawford has been the best fighter in the world for a very long time and he just showed it again Saturday night see great fighters they rise and them type of moments the pressure stick if you lose the fall out of stick the reward is is big and heavy um great fighters rise in their moments it don't mean you're gonna always win every fight but it means more times than not you're gonna rise in them moments and that's what we saw terrence crawford do and never had never seen emotion like that from him uh after a fight it was good to see that but i want to jump and talk about a point that you that you started with about Canelo's class and the way he dealt with that defeat.