Bill Haney: Floyd Not Calling Back, The 10-Man Hit List, Federal Prison & The One That Got Away

25:32You know, and so I vowed, you know, I had already had my son who was two years old at the time that I went to the feds, a little bill. and I vowed that, you know, when I got back home, that my responsibility was gonna be to him and not to the old Bill Haney, so to speak. And then when I got home, I got home and I was out, maybe about two and a half years, you know, Devin. Devin's mom got pregnant. And then that was another eye-opening, pivotal time in my life. You know what I mean? That now I have another son. You know what I mean? And I never wanted him to go in the penitentiary and have to see me like Lil' Bill did.

26:18And 27 years later, and I've never been to prison since then. So, you know, and to give up the streets. You know what I mean? I believe, and you know, you're a God-fearing man. And I think in so many different scriptures and sodas, it all says that you have to give up something, right? And I didn't really know giving up the streets, you know what I mean, that I was going to get so much after. You know what I mean? And that's why I always preach to, and not even preach. I don't want to say preach, but I do want to pound at home that, you know, that greatness for that guy that was Bill Haney is right around the corner, but you must give up the old for the new to come in.

27:11You know what I mean? And I always kind of laugh. They say, you know, boxing needs you, Bill Haney. And I said, I'm glad because the streets don't. You know what I mean? I don't need to be in the streets and the streets don't need me. And giving up that, I got something that was even better. You know what I mean? Yeah. And you got to lose your life so you can actually gain it a lot of time. You know what I'm saying? That's that scripture you was talking about. Yes. How hard was it though, man? Because you know, just because you make up your mind that you done, it don't mean that the streets is done with you.

27:39You're going to get the phone calls. You're going to get the questions. Hey, man, you good? You saw you on one? Did you get that when you walked out? Yeah, I said, B.H. the Great is no longer here. I'm out the game. Yeah. B.H. the Great is a mistake. Don't call me that no more. Yeah, no, and I put on my Instagram, it's no longer that. It's Bill Haney. You know what I mean? and I started working for my last name, which is, you know what I mean, for Devin Haney and Sean Haney and Arabella Haney and, you know, Lil' Bill. And you know what I mean? I found more peace and more, you know what I mean, drive and focus in my new present job than I ever had and anything else I did.

28:20When did y 'all make that shift? And what was the shift like from the Bay, from Oakland, to Las Vegas? Well, I left the bay for sirens just like that. Except they weren't outside, they were chasing me. You trippin' trippin', boy.

28:41Oh, they chillin', yeah, this the, uh... They got two ambulances right here. Oh, for real, like they just like... Bro, they got two ambulances and can't move. That's why you can't move to New York, Bill. Look at this. They got people in the back of this ambulance, and they can't move because of the traffic. Look at this. Man, that's crazy. I'm going to get up out the back of the thing and say, man, let me walk. Look, Bill. They can't move, bro. They got to get out the way or something, man. That's crazy.

29:15That's crazy.

29:20That's New York traffic, bro. You know, obviously born and raised in Oakland, you know, when did you make the move to Vegas and why Vegas? So moving to Las Vegas for us meant a complete change. I wanted my kids to have an opportunity that I didn't have. Unfortunately, I talked about, like, the circumstances that led me to do things that I knew I shouldn't be doing based on everything that was going around. And once you, as the big homie, because now I said, okay, I'm going to be a big homie to my kids and not to the streets, well, then I'm going to move them to a place that they don't have the pressures, they don't have the crutches, they don't have all those things, which to me is a lot harder for a kid to be uprooted, to put in another place that they have to fight for identity, purpose, and all those things, right?

30:13Then for me, when I stepped out, joined the gang and gang banging and neighborhoods and all that other stuff. So, yeah, I just wanted to provide a change, and that's no different than leaving Las Vegas and now coming to New York. Yeah, but even for you, though, the bank can get to Vegas easy. That's a quick 50-minute flight. Yeah, well, you know, I just... So even though it's a change, you still got to stay on point because the bank gets to Vegas, too. Yeah, well, I mean, I just knew that the 50 minutes was going to give them enough time to decide that they wasn't coming to do... Yeah, coming to do the right thing.

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34:19I was actually looking for something that fit, that he could be passionate about. So we did basketball. We did football. We did all the traditional sports. You did. Yeah. And in that, I found that he was super competitive. He wanted to run the ball. He wanted to throw the ball. He wanted to shoot the ball. He wanted to block the ball. Man, you want to do everything, man. And I'm an active coach, but I'm like looking at the other coaches like that. This is, he's like, you know, he's a super competitive kid. But then he's also competitive in sports, but he's fighting at school. And I'm like, champ.

34:57So I took away the sports, but then he would still fight. And on that last time that he ever fought in school, the principal called me up. Now, mind you, I'm like a dad, because his mom lives in the Bay, so he's in Vegas with me. I'm like, man, you keep having me come up to the school. And the last time I looked at the principal, and I swear he looked at like the warden from the penitentiary, from the feds. and he's looking at me and he's looking at Dev and he has that look like, is something going on at your house? Like, you know what I mean? He was questioning. I'm like, bro, we just moved from the bulls.

35:35Come here, right? And you agree that that took some effort on all our parts. Absolutely. Right? So I say, Dev. I looked at him, I said, so Dev, what's happening, man? And he looked at me and he said, he was about to hit me. I said, about to hit you. I said, sir, that's okay. we'll take the suspension and me and him, we're going to figure this out. Right? I got in the car. I said, man, now you know. Because you know as parents, especially back when we said, don't come to me, Tomo. You better get off first. Right? Get off first. So I'm feeling like, okay, now you done got slick with it. So I told him, he was looking out the window.

36:15And I said, man, you think you know how to fight, man? He's keep looking out the window still, not even talking to me. I said, all right, I'm going to take you to the gym. I'm going to take you around. somebody know how to fight. He looked back at me just like this and said, okay. I said, oh, I'm going to get your a** wet, boy. Went to the gym, the coach and everybody that was there. Because you don't, see, me not knowing, what I know now is you don't take a kid to go spar. And he does right off the rip. I took him right off the rip. Trying to teach him a lesson. Trying to teach him a lesson. and found out one of the coaches, an old-timer, said, your kids are natural.

36:55Yeah. I looked at him. He got that little mug. I looked at him. I said, oh, we got something. Yeah. And that's been one of them. That's the birth of Devin Hayden? That's the birth of him. And that's why my mission has been with other dads that have kids that are being misdescribed as bad, as fighting, as all. You might got something. You might got. And don't even know it. And don't even know it. Mm. It just, for my personal passion has been to support him in every way that I possibly can. And that's our story. Yeah. Man, that's powerful, man. That's powerful that you was able to see that the right way.

37:34Because if you just get on him, stop doing that, man. You know, you got these people calling me, and you just never explore what's going on, you might miss it. Yes. You know, so that's a beautiful thing. But when did you know that Dev was special, though? Y 'all on these amateur circuits, it starts locally. then you start qualifying for stuff, regional, state, national. When did you know, like, man, my son is one of the top amateurs in the country? How long did that take? I think that always I kind of noticed, you know what I mean, from all the little times, and he always had been an advanced kid on the set.

38:05I think one of the times that I noticed that he would be a future all-time great is the day him and Floyd sparred. Yeah. I think that was the day. How old was Devin? Devin was 16. Yeah, he was 16. Yeah, he was 16. Floyd, traditionally, this was after, you know, he had sparred Earl Spence. And, you know, it was going around that Earl had had a good day with Floyd. And legend always had it that if you had a good day with Floyd under the lights, I mean, if you have a good day with him in the gym, he was going to call you back, and he was going to put it on you. That was the thing. He was going to turn the clock off.

38:46He was going to turn it off, and he was going to do that. And, you know, so he moved around with Dev, and I yelled in the ring. I said, Floyd, it's like you're looking at yourself. He got mad, too, about that. He did. Yeah, he was dead, because he be talking shit. Every guy that he's in there, no matter what anyone says that he does under the lights, inside the gym, he does the same thing. You know what I mean? Nobody goes into the gym to get beat up on by everybody. You know what I'm saying? Especially somebody like Floyd. No, Floyd is a complete professional, so anything that you were able to do with him, you were able to do because you can't just...

39:22And I totally respect him. I always say he's not the kind of guy that you can just go do anything to, in or out the ring. He's like that. You know what I'm saying? So Devin had a great day with him, and we were expecting him to call Devin back in. You know what I'm saying? Right, sweet. I said, ooh, they gonna call, you know. Come on, Deb, let's work, man. Don't worry. You know Floyd gonna call you back in there. You know, and we didn't get the call back. Mm. Never got it. Never got it. So within that, you're supposed to have a certain high. You're supposed to as a team. You're supposed to. You know what I mean?

40:01They're supposed to. That's big. The opposite of it is... Yeah. Yeah. We like this. I said, shh. I said, oh, no, y 'all got to pay now. Yeah. Oh, yeah, y 'all got to pay. See, what people don't know about Floyd is, like, you know, people say whatever they want to say about his style. You know, he did not get hit, all that stuff. Floyd is a different, completely different fighter in the gym. He's not the same person. Vicious. Mean. He's aggressive. Mean. He's doing five-minute rounds. Sometimes just the clock don't stop. It's just doghouse rules, whatever. He's a totally different person. Like, he slugs.

40:36He'll take more punches with him because he got head gear on, bigger gloves. So he takes more risk in sparring. And I done heard about Floyd, like, ruining cats. Like, I'm talking about young dudes. Now, I don't understand that, but I done seen him do it. Like, Floyd is real mean in the gym. I done seen him. You are, too. You, listen, it's you, Crawford, and Floyd, the three meanest guys in boxing. I'm telling you. But Floyd ain't that mean in a real fight, though. Listen, you violate, he gonna demonstrate for sure. True that. For sure. True that. For sure. He's very calculated, I mean, about that.

41:08And I think that we've gotten a lot of him, a lot of you, a lot of, you know what I mean? And in that moment, there's more things going on in a fight in life than people understand. You know what I'm saying? And, you know, I think that what his mission was, he's an example of bolting to the finish line. Blinders on, this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to be 50 and 0. I'm about to do it my way. I'm going to the joint. You know what I'm saying? You had that, I'm going to punish everybody in front of me. You know what I mean? I'm going to let them all know what it is. You know what I mean? But within that, I think, you know, you find a fighter can find their own balance, who they are, their own identity.

41:50And so I see meanness in all three of you guys, for sure. Yeah, yeah, nah, I can't deny that. I can't deny that. How did the Floyd relationship develop? Like, when did you first lock your eyes on him and say, man, this is somebody I want Deb to be under? and how did that relationship start becoming what it was? Well, I mean, my vision of Devin could never fit under Floyd Mayweather, but I met Floyd through Floyd Sr., through Ruiz. When Floyd Sr. was training John Ruiz, the heavyweight, was it John Ruiz? It was a guy named Ruiz, and Floyd Sr. came in. In Vegas. In Vegas. And I said, I said, Senior, I said, if you don't mind, I'd like you to look at my son, because I think that I have something special.

42:41You told him that? Yes. I said, I think that I have something special. And Floyd Sr. took a look at him. He said, oh, yeah. And he says, come by my house. You know, the next day at 3 p.m., we was there at like 2.30, 2 o 'clock. and through that work with senior i learned who devon was not with work with floyd jr when working with floyd senior floyd said you got one you got something special just like i had and floyd jr you see what i mean so i never i never put the connection that Devin is gonna be up under Floyd I had that we had what we had Devin Haney promotions you know what I'm saying and I just looked at it that way that was division when Devin was young and that never changed you know I mean but obviously having Floyd come in during times that we were working with senior meant everything it meant everything for Devin and his confidence Floyd didn't always come in with strategy or come in dropping boxing jewels, but he was the perfect example of a black man, a fighter that was unapologetic, that worked extremely hard, you know what I mean?

44:03You know what I mean? And was focused. You know what I mean? So he was every example that we needed outside the ring that made him larger than life. And then I said to Dev, I said, Dev, you know, because I'm everything. I said, Dev, don't look at me. Look at Floyd. Look at him. You can do that. You don't have to be up under him. You can do just what he's doing. And I think that he's doing, Devin is doing that at 27 years old. He's doing the Devin Haney. He's doing the Devin Haney. Where's your relationship with Floyd right now? where's Devin's relationship at with Floyd right now after the Ryan Garcia fight.

44:46Floyd came out, had a lot to say. You got out of here. He had a lot to say. To say the least, he came out. See, Drayden told the truth. Floyd, you came out with Ryan Garcia and you've been gone ever since. I don't know where he's at. I ain't talked to him not on camera. Come on, Floyd. Come on, listen. On IG Live. I ain't seen him. He ain't came back since. You ain't seen him? I ain't seen him. You ain't talked to him? No, no, I take that back. I haven't seen him on camera. I haven't seen him in a way that he came looking for me. Like that. Because he came looking for me. Yeah. He was saying, we're Bill at.

45:20Yeah, we're Bill at. And he was talking about we don't do. Something that he was talking about. Man, come on, Floyd. You know what I'm saying? Boxing, that's part of it. I don't think that he did what he should have did is come out after Brian Garcia tested positive. being that Floyd, we watched Floyd be, before Devin, the biggest spokesperson for anti-doping. Usada, yeah. Yeah, right? At that time. And Usada and Bada, right? So for now, for Devin, till he come out and say something about the fight, but then find out that it was PDs involved and then not come back out publicly. We still waiting on you, Floyd.

46:01I seen you the other day, but we still waiting on you. Yeah. Where the relationship at? It ain't nothing. Make no mistake about it. You know what I mean? I'm with Devin Haney. You know what I'm saying? I'm employed by Devin. That's my son. That's where my heart is at. You know what I mean? And nothing else matters with me. You know what I'm saying? Any relationship, I don't owe allegiance to any relationship, any person, anything. You know when you see me that I'm here. I'm on behalf of Devin. You know what I'm saying? How does Dev deal with it, though? Because, you know, that's somebody that he looked up to, somebody he got real close to, and, you know, really supposed to be a phone call away, but in your worst moment as a professional, they speaking out against you.

46:45How does he process something like that and deal with that? Yeah, well, that's for him, you know what I mean, to speak on. I always try to reserve him and his voice to be heard and not me to interpret it. But, of course, you know, me, I'm like, you never was with us. You know what I'm saying? He never was. That's my thing. But that's fine. But tell the truth about the story that any father and any son that's dedicated didn't need you anyway. They needed to lean on what we leaned on on November 22nd. And that's the skills and the hard work of Devin Haney. Not the flash, not the pizzazz, not the relationships.

47:29That's the skills and the hard work. because when it came out, Brian Norman said, look at my jeans, look at my shirt. I don't give a fuck. He said, I don't have a car. I don't have... He said that. And he said he was coming to punish him with that. So at the end of the day, to all the little boys and all the little girls, the hard work is what it's going to come down to. Not what you're wearing, not who you're hanging out with. That's the vision that you see yourself and the work that you're willing to put in. and we didn't mind committing to work. We knew putting in the work was, if putting in the work was part of it and that's all you needed, well, we was on our way.

48:10That's one of the biggest things, man, that I, you know, I watch people. You know, I study people. I might not say a word, but I study teams. I study mannerisms. I study how they come and go, how they dealing with it when they on top, how they dealing with it when they trying to get to the top, how they deal with it when it's adversity. I just sit back and watch. That's just, you know, it's just how I'm wired. One thing I've always saw about y 'all, you and Devin, and respected about y 'all is no matter what people may say, always put in the work. Like, it's a real, like, everybody thinks because they go to the gym, they're working, all work is not created equal.

48:47Like, are you paying attention to detail? Are you on time? Are you staying late? Is your coach telling you, bro, that's enough, kill it. We good. We got time. I've always seen that about Devin, right? I've always seen that about you. And even how y 'all run camp, I respect it because, you know, even when you came today, it's like, is Bill going to be on time? I said, I've always known him to be on time. Yes. You know what I'm saying? You came early. I text you 45, 15 minutes before. You supposed to be here? I'm downstairs. I'm about to walk in right now. So I just want to give y 'all your flowers on that, man.

49:16Like, I don't know how that was developed or where y 'all got that mindset from, but y 'all really put in work, man, and you check all the boxes, and that's a large part of the reason why y 'all have success the way you have. Absolutely, but it's a testament to you and those real professionals, you, Bernard Hopkins, Floyd and all that, so detailed, you know what I'm saying? And a lot of times, to the younger fighters, that detail that you pay attention to, to your socks, your hat, your, you know, I watch you too, I study the greens, I study, and yeah, that's the detail when you find your passion, and I think that you know, it's about what you're passionate about.

49:56I have a daughter, she plays tennis, You know what I mean? I have my 15-year-old Sean who was playing tennis. We put in four or five years in tennis. And my faith and belief was tested when Sean came to me and he said, Dad, after five years of playing tennis, I want to be a fighter. Yeah. Yeah. Everything about me says that parents should follow their kid when their kid is passionate about something, right? I knew nothing about tennis, but I knew that that sport was a sport that the ball is going to go that way. And if you really want the money, go get it. In boxing, you got no choice. The game is coming to you.

50:42You know what I mean? So with Sean, and he came to me, he was like, Dad, listen, the chances of me getting to the top in tennis are slim. He said, but the chances of what my brother knows and what you know, if I listen to you and I work really hard, are better. I went back in there, and I called Dev. I said, this is my f***ing ear. It's on to something. Yeah, yeah. Dev said, well, give him a shot, Dad. Yeah. Give him a shot, you know what I mean? So as a team, you know what I mean? Now we're looking at Sean and what his career can be. Man, we talking about detail. And, you know, I try not to be, you know, the 40-year-old, oh, man, you know them youngsters.

51:34But they need to hear that too, you know, sometimes. Like, I think a lot, there's still some youngsters, man, I'm talking 20s and 30s, you know, that they get it. When we talk about checking the boxes and obsessing over the details. But a lot of what's in the game is the idea of success. I want the idea of what it is to be a champion. I really don't want to pay the price to be a champion. I don't want to leave my family for eight weeks. I don't want to go to a random state and city to go lock in. I don't want to get up every morning and do this. Like, I do it some mornings, but not every morning, right?

52:08And that's why the game is like this in terms of you don't have cats that stay on top six, seven, eight, ten years like they used to. Yes. Ten, fifteen, twenty defenses. Yes. It's you up, then you down, then you up. One bad fight, you step the competition up, we don't see them no more. Yes. So that attention to detail, man, that's everything. Yes. It's not talked about enough. You ain't gonna get no bright lights because of it. Yes. But it's gonna reward you under them bright lights if you commit to it. But that detail, man, from your how you living to how you moving, you ain't gonna do everything perfect.

52:42But, man, I'm trying to get this right, because how you do some things is how you do all things. Yes. If you sloppy on this end, you're gonna be sloppy when it matters the most. Right. So that detail is everything. Right, and I think that that was important in our meeting before the Brian Norman fight is that I wanted Devin and you guys to have the kind of relationship that those details, he could see those details in you outside of the ring. The professionalism that you bring, right? You know, just the detail. Straight up. The life detail as an older fighter. You know what I mean? And I think that it's important.

53:16Yeah, that older fighter thing, man. I'm still getting used to it, but go ahead. that Otafati thing because my brain telling me one thing and my body saying something else go ahead go ahead go ahead hey listen you can still do it I told you the last time you can still do it listen and I just want to say Anthony Joshua you are a friend of mine and I asked Dre I said I said just give Anthony a call I said don't call him out I did I said give him a call he said call him call him now what did you think Think about when you first heard the fight had been announced with him and Jake Paul. Because we didn't, up until that point, he never had an opponent or anything like that.

53:56Yeah, I knew it had been talked about, but then it got quiet. Yes. So I didn't know what was going on. And then Jake was trying to, you know, fight Javante. And then, you know, so when that happened, I'm like, okay, he ain't got nothing coming up. And then the fight got back on when that fight fell through. So, you know, I understood it. I understood what it was. Yes. Yeah, I understood what it was. Yeah. So what's next? Man, I'm living life, man. Of course you are. I'm living life. I'm enjoying life. I'm staying in shape, though. Yes. You know? And, yeah. Interviewing people like you, man. Absolutely.

54:27He can still do it. Coming up next, you're going to do something. I'm watching you. You're going to do something. The landscape is open. And you've always stayed in shape. Yeah, always. Got to. Because them youngsters, they always want to, man, let me see what you got, man. And I got to just, you know, I got to stay in striking range. 60%, 70%, you know? And it's just good, too, because, you know, just to be healthy is a lifestyle. How's Bud? He good. Yeah, he'll be here. You wear many hats. You know, I like to say I got range. Okay. You know, you can't box me. You can't just make me do one thing and be one person.

54:59You got that about you. You know, so you have, you know, been many things, but then you get into a situation where Dev, he's growing, he's becoming a top amateur in the country, and then you got a pro situation. You brought him to Floyd Sr. Floyd Sr. said, you got something. But now you get into a situation where you're not just father. you part trainer, part manager. Discover a spectacular island destination with crystal blue seas, endless sunshine, and the cool Bahamian breeze. Bahamar, located in Nassau, Bahamas, offers your choice of three luxury hotels, the richly refined Rosewood, the playfully hip SLS, and the stylishly modern Grand Hyatt.

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58:48Complete disclosures available at public.com slash disclosures. Right, you've gotten his career. How did you develop into wearing all those different hats for Devin? Well, I mean, I think that the biggest misconception is for one is that while Devin was learning from all these professors, Virgil, Eddie Mustafa, Floyd Sr., Roger, and the like, and many more, the biggest misconception was that I wasn't learning too. You know what I mean? So I think that, you know, when a person looks at me and they say, who are you? What are you? I say, I'm the guy that learned the game from some of the baddest Jokers to ever come through the game.

59:35They say father-son relationships don't work in boxing. I'm sure you and Dev had moments offline when y 'all got to work stuff out, but y 'all work it out. And then when y 'all get back online, it's a unified front. How have y 'all, you and Devon, been able to last as long as you have as trainer, manager, and pupil, and then also maintain a good relationship when you're not even around boxing? How did y 'all make that work? Well, I mean, the dad is smart enough to hire the best person for the job. And if that's not him, if that's Virgil, if that's you, if that's bringing in Mickey, if that's whatever it takes, you know what I mean?

1:00:17There's only one emotion from a dad, and that's that his father... I mean, there's only one emotion for a father, for a son, is that the son be better than the dad, and not one and the same. I want Dev to be better than me. I don't want us to be just a great team. I want to be part of the team that Devin is the best at. But that's a skill in and of itself, though, because a lot of fathers will say that, but then when it's time to walk it out and maybe create some distance and bring somebody else in or tell them, hey, man, I've told you all I can tell you. You got to walk it out now. That part is hard.

1:00:52So the father keeps both his hands on the kid. He don't let him breathe. Then resentment starts to build, and then that fractures the relationship, and they don't become what they're supposed to become because pops kept pressing him. So how do you have that? That's what I was asking about, you know, earlier about just even Dev moving around. It's like you see your son in L.A. You're like, man, I know what happened. I know what be going on in L.A. And, man, you see your son in Miami, it's like, man, hey, bro, be cool, be safe. How are you balancing that? Because it's hard to keep your hands off when you're a father.

1:01:19Well, absolutely. But as a father, when you want the best for your son, then you create an environment that brings out the best in him. You know what I mean? And of course, he has the checkbook. You know, he writes the checks. Anyone that he wants to bring in, we bring him in. You know, and anyone that he's not comfortable with, you know what I mean, we ask him out. You know what I mean? So I think just playing my position, and not necessarily every position, you know what I mean, has been essential to our relationship. You know, if Devin is feeling a certain way, he don't feel like training today, you know what I mean?

1:02:05As a dad, you might feel slighted. But as a coach, you understand that the psyche of the fighter, you know what I mean, can be in different places. So let's work on something else, okay? We don't necessarily got to work on that. Let's watch some film, you know what I mean? Let's go get a massage. Let's go do things that we can do. You know what I mean? But we don't have to necessarily do the one thing that the coach is an expert at, right? He's not a masseuse, but the fighter needs a massage, right? And there's another thing that I want to talk about with trainers when I'm being compared to trainers.

1:02:44There are coaches that... I don't have the ability to run a training camp. You know, they coach moments. You know, they coach, but actually being able to bring in the sparring partners, be able to pick the locations, be able to pick spots and times of travel, of this and that. You know what I mean? I think you got a chance to see me say, Brian Norman, where you at? Why you ain't here? Right? So. You mean in Saudi Arabia? In Saudi Arabia, getting acclimated. That was big. Because it's inconvenient to go to Saudi and train in the middle of the night, but you got to make the sacrifice two, three weeks out because that's when the money is going to be on the line, in the middle of the night.

1:03:30So, yeah, that's one of the moments where we got to be grown about this, be professional, and make them kind of sacrifices. So now I understand exactly what you were saying. So one caveat as a coach and a manager, right? And a dad, you're wearing these hats. So you're saying as a dad, I want the best for my son. As from a coach perspective, right, you're saying, okay, we can work here and we can work in Atlanta and we can work in Saudi Arabia. But from a manager's perspective, I said, no, let's get this money to this team so they can get out there and get comfortable and get acclimated. You see what I mean?

1:04:09So those are different positions in different spots that traditionally, they don't work in unison. They go different directions. But for us, you know what I mean, it's just me and Deb. So that's why we be kicking ass. Because we faster, smoother, you know what I mean? It's just... You know, Deb came up with a lot of guys that's good names, big names now. You know, but, you know, y 'all been crossing paths. Some of them fought, some of them didn't. But y 'all know each other, you know what I'm saying? The people just don't be knowing that people have a relationship. Of course. Tell me about the relationship with Shakur Stevenson.

1:04:43You know, obviously, you know, they've been in the same weight class at a certain time. Then, you know, they won't be in the same weight class. They both doing their thing in their own respect. And it's like, is that relationship like, you just got two young lions that can't really like... I can't wait for him to stop talking. Shakur is on the list. But that's what I'm saying. Like, is it just, we can't be really in the same space. We trying to get the same thing. we can holler later? Like, what's the relationship with Shakur? No, no, no. We've always, we've, out of respect of the fans, of the talent, asked and talked about the biggest and the best fights happened with the best fighters.

1:05:22Right. So you mean that when you say that? When you say you want Devin in the biggest and best fights, that ain't just talk? Just like when I walked up to you and told you that we were gonna walk Lomachenko's down. Yeah, you said it. I can't, and right in the ring in the middle of the fight, I mean, right when they've been, was it that the announcing or we just got in the ring? And I looked over and I seen Dre and I seen Tim sitting there. And I walked over. I said, it's too late for him. They was, Lomachenko and that was right there. I said, it's too late for him. Devin about to step to his mouth.

1:05:55Watch this. You said that. I said, yeah, it's too late for him. Boom. And when Dev, he came back and he said in the eighth round, he said, dad, he's on to it. He's up on it. I said, it's too late. Go press his ass out. Go press him. And in the 12th round, you know what I mean? Like the perfect getaway, we looked up in the rearview mirror. Now this ass wasn't chasing. Yeah. You heard what I said. I said in the 12th round, in the biggest fight for Undisputed, for Undisputed. That's what won him in the 12th round. In the 12th round, he wasn't there. So when everybody come back and say it was a robbery, if you ain't fighting in the 12th round, then what do that say about you?

1:06:41You know what I mean? So he has something to go cry about. That robbery talk, man, these folks don't understand. They just don't understand how the game went. And if you don't show up in that 12th round, in that moment, that's all for me, brother. What would a grown man go and cry about? Yeah. Disappointment. And himself. and himself. Anytime that I would, it would be out of, damn, you're not hurt. So as a man, what are you in there doing? You're not hurt. You know what I mean? Because you're disappointed in yourself. You know what I mean? And there were times that I know that there's only one man that ever came into my life and told me the truth, the 100 % truth, and that's with my dad.

1:07:27I'm the guy in Devin's life that I believe that will tell him 100 % of the truth. And there's been times as an amateur, and you know, where he gets back in the car and we ride, and he's like, so what you think? I was like, man, I was like, well, look at you. He was like, what? I was like, dude, look in the, I told him, pull down the visor. He pulled down the visor. I said, are you lumped up? Are you marked up? He's no. I said, are you tired? He says, no. I said, well, you didn't leave it in the ring. Ain't nobody to be mad at but you. You too. Mm-hmm. You know? So back to the Shakur thing, man, you, you, is it, is it, is it, is it peace or is it still up?

1:08:10Because y 'all around the same weight class. Um... And I don't mean personally. I'm saying competitively on a, on a boxing level. Well, of course. I mean, he, it's, it's always up. You know what I mean? So you retire. No, well, we put him on the list. You know what I'm saying? Um, he knows what being on the list means is up because he's not gonna put Keyshawn on the list and Keyshawn's not gonna put him on the list because they're friends right it's not up with us. Deb and Shakur was friends too at one point. But that's not it's always up you and boxing we're in around the same division you know what I mean and that's never changed you know what I mean of course outside the ring right we see Kaur we dap him up you know what I'm saying and all the stuff you know it's a No, no, of course.

1:09:00It's all business. And both of them, both of the guys quest to the Mount Rushmore of boxing because they both have a path to get there. It's not like Shakur is not going and trying to be the best, one of the best ever. Devin is trying to be one of the best ever. And in that pursuit, you have an opportunity to really show how great you are. And, you know, that's what that is. Mm-hmm. How you looking at this fight Saturday? Extremely competitive. I think there'll be times where Shakur breaks down from the pressure that Tiafemo applies. If Tiafemo is doing it the way that Devin would do it, the way that I'm looking at it.

1:09:48So that's, if it's me with Tiafemo, it's easy. Based on what I see, what Devin can do to Shakur. Easy. Like when I saw you and I told you Brian Norman was going to be easy. You said, easy? I said, easy. Right? Was it easy? Didn't I say it was going to be easy? Easy. But I'm saying what... I said Shakur is easy work for Devin. So I'm saying this. We just jumped from that fight to this fight, but we're talking about it. So go ahead. How? Yeah. You don't see it? No, I don't see it. For real? For real, you don't see it? I think that's a competitive fight for both of them. How? Just from what I've seen.

1:10:37Dev style, Dev's temperament, Shakur's style, Shakur's temperament. But help me understand. Listen, that's an easier fight than Lomachenko. I don't know about that. I don't know about that. Well, because you don't know where all the tools in the Home Depot warehouse is that we have. It's a whole lot of tools. You know, a few of them. It's a whole lot of shit in there, dawg. And the... Because I don't want to give away too much. Right? I don't want to give away too much because we are. It could be a possible fight next. You know what I'm saying? So I don't really want to say how. Right? We'll get back to this fight then, Saturday.

1:11:23How? You said, T.O., If he... If he pressing. I've never seen Shakur, as a professional, walk down, punk, and physically unable to, like, get somebody off of him. Have you seen it? I'm saying as a professional. Yeah, but I've not seen him fight nobody that I would even think is anywhere near no motherf***er Devin Haney. We talking about Taylor. No, what I'm saying is, you just said that, but you ain't seen him fight a motherf***er person. No, you just said that. Who? Shakur. You ain't seen him fight nobody, Drake. Come on, big homie. Tell me who he fought. That you would say that's a level that we should even look at that would be anything remotely to what the skills that Devin do.

1:12:03You keep comparing him to Devin. No, I'm saying this. But tell me who Shakur then fought. Shakur got a good resume, for sure. Like who? When you said to me... And not only a good resume, we talking about Tao. No, no, I'm saying... No, hold on. Just tell me the walk-down part. When I say I ain't never seen Shakur Stevenson walk down and punk and physically unable to get somebody off of him or box somebody? If you go look at the sparring with him and Dev, Dev was walking him down. But I'm saying, have you seen, did you see, was Dev walking him down? I didn't watch that. I seen clips. I ain't seen the whole thing.

1:12:36What about you? You seen it? Not the whole thing? You seen any part of it? So it's still up. It's still up. Who? It's still up. He's on the list. Yeah, I didn't know. What the f... Listen, listen to me. He's on the list. What do you think? Hear what I'm saying? Listen to me. Live with Andre Ward. Listen to me. The list is not fake. And Deebo is real. Listen to me. Listen to me. When I'm watching both of them, it's like it be up, up, where it's like it's active. The funk is active. And then they get quiet. And then the weight class, I know the weight class, depending on what's put on the table, that can ship, whatever.

1:13:12When I'm looking at it, I'm like, it's quiet right now. No, when you put Shakur Stevenson's name on the list, a guy that has a hell of a team, a guy that has a hell of a coaching, I mean, a hell of a management team and a hell of a coaching team, right? He has a hell of a fan base. He has all of the that, you know what I mean? Ain't nobody else put him on the list. So it's still a list. I ain't know it's a list. That's why we got to have him. I'm on Andre Ward. That's why we had these conversations. I didn't know it was still a list. What do you think happened to the list? We just knocked off Brian Norman, who was on the list.

1:13:55So what do you think happened to the list? That's why I got to ask these questions. The list stands, and that means you motherfuckers can't run from it. Nobody can run. Hold your hands up. Put your hands up. Freeze. Freeze. Tell me about the fight. How tail going to walk him down? Well, if he had a jab, he could. You know what I mean? You got to start with the jab. When you talk about Devin, you talk about the fighter with the best jab in boxing. He throws it from everywhere, up, down. You know what I mean? So, it's got to happen there. But I'll tell him after. I'll tell him after. If he want to let Shakur, if Dre come and tell you what to do, just think about it.

1:14:44I told him. Yeah. Yeah. I thought they was pushing peace, man. It's up. No, listen. It's been quiet. So I misread the silence. I'm looking. I'm like, oh, they seem like they, you know, I ain't saying they friends no more. But like, they seem like it's cordial. It's cool. Dev up here, weight class wise. Shakur went for. Okay. That's why I got to ask these questions, though. You follow me on social media? Did you see what I just posted? Dev reposted? Okay. Go follow me, BillHandy underscore, and you'll get a chance to see the latest heat coming from Deebo Deb. Huh? What'd you pop? Well, I mean, I just said that shout-out to Turkey Allashik, who's with Devin.

1:15:26There's no boxing protection programs. There are no narratives that fights can't happen. You know what I mean? And that is what it is. You know what I mean? with the WBO belt at 147 belonging to Devin, and I think T.O. has the WBO belt at 140, right? You're not able to tell a champion from 140 that they can't come up and fight you, right? You can't tell a champion at 154 that Devin can't come up from 147, correct? Correct? Can you come up and challenge from 147? I'm listening to you. 147. Xander Zayas live on here. If they don't want to get it, Devin will go up to 154 and put it on Xander. How about that?

1:16:12147 pounds, WBO champion. 54? Stepping up to 154. I didn't stutter. He will go up there and whoop Xander Zayas under the assumption of what I'm describing can happen for a champion in a division wanting to step up. Correct? I mean, I'm asking you because you've been around. You might back on me in this. Not with them belts, though. I don't play with them sanctioned bodies like that. I don't trust them. I don't believe in them. You know, it's just... Okay. Yeah, you would know more than me. Okay, so... Look, I don't go to the functions every year. I've never been to one. I've never been to one.

1:16:46So you can tell me more than I can tell you. Well, they did give me the manager of the year in 2023, so... The B.O.? The B.O.? Yeah. No, the B.W.A.A., Boxing Writers Association of America. But, in all seriousness, Dre, is it's to my understanding that a champion in a division as the 147-pound champion could petition to the same sanctioning body that he's a champion that he wants to move up and become the mandatory challenger. And still maintain his status at the lower weight. That's what you're saying? Not lose that belt when he go up? Now, that's what I might not be 100 % confident on my answer on that.

1:17:29You know what I mean? But it's so many moves for really know how to fight, man. It can really go. That has the style, right? Now, the one thing about Dev that's different is he fits everybody. And when I had the meeting, I said, this is going to be the last time these folks are going to bet that Devin's mentally ain't strong. This will be the last time they're going to bet that Devin's mental, Not skills. For Brian Norman, the question was, is he mentally tough enough to deal with Brian Norman? And I think we answered that. So what's the next question Fox and Hass? What you think about them questions, though?

1:18:12You know, mindset not being tough, can't take a punch. Like, it's always a narrative riding around somebody. You know, depending on who the fighter is, what they done been through. How do y 'all deal with those narratives? I know mainly it's by showing and telling, but I'm saying, when you hear that kind of stuff about your son, When Devin hears that kind of stuff about him, I had to go through it. What do y 'all do about them type of narratives when they floating around? I love it. I get excited about the campaigns of hate that they run. Campaigns of hate. Yeah, they run. You know what I mean?

1:18:40If it's top rank and they're reporters and they're writers and all that, and they'll run a smear campaign. No offense, top rank. We do business. Golden Boy, they'll run their smear campaign. And the other part. You see Eddie? he's out there smearing as much as he possibly can. Is he? Well, I mean, when they talk about him, he openly says that he's not allowed to, or he's not at liberty to say things that are inconsistent with him when a fighter is being promoted by him. Right? When a fighter is being promoted by him, he has one language and one verb that he uses, and then when a fighter is not promoted by him.

1:19:22So stop listening to Eddie Hearn. Promoters, they politic. Promoters in politics, exactly. I'm saying they politicking, they politic. Absolutely. But there's only one man in boxing that has an allegiance to the people. That's Devin Haney. Not signed to not anyone, right? When the check comes, it goes to him. It don't go to no promoter. It don't go to no manager. It goes to Devin Haney. He talks to Turkey. He talks to Dr. Rakan, right? And he already let them know, there's the list. While others, they hide behind the promoter. They say, well, the promoter is talking, or they say the manager is talking, or they say this, or they say that, the lawyer or whatever.

1:20:08I think that he's the only one that's changed that way of looking at boxing, of you needing a promoter or you needing that voice. I don't need to know any other names that's on the list unless you want to share that, but how many names are on the list? real names? Solid, viable options. You know how many names? Does anybody know how many names it is? I think it's about 10 on there. You know? It's about 10. It's the first time in history a fighter that came out and put all the names on a list. I'm surprised that you don't know it. I know that I think Tank is at the top of it. Maybe Shakur is next.

1:20:46Jerron Ennis. I think Connor Ben might be on there Towards the bottom You know what I mean? Because he was at 68 with Eubank Ryan Garcia is number 10 You know what I mean? Because we need to You know, he needs to get himself together a little bit You know what I mean? I know Brian Norman was on there Keyshawn Davis Yeah man, Keyshawn Davis is on there too He can get it too Like right now? Man, listen, I go in my email He be playing though No, he be playing. I've texted. He didn't even have to. No. Keyshawn, you know you didn't have to fight this guy that you fight right now. You know you could be fighting Devin next, right?

1:21:27Yeah. You know that, right? I'll show the email. I didn't know that. No, I'll show you the text right now, Witty. You know what I'm saying? You know, because with our game, it's DTC, man. Direct to consumer, man. You dig? No, we directly to. We going to DMs. Yeah. I mean, come on, man. And you know if you really wanted to fight Devin, you would call Dre. You know that's the big homie. Man, Dre phone as quiet as a mother right now. You don't think they want it? Man, you ain't heard it, Dre. You ain't heard nobody say shit. And you up around the baddest motherfucking young motherfuckers in the game.

1:22:01You done showed them everything. What they going to do next? We've been waiting. We got the list. They on the list. And I'm surprised they didn't even call you and tell you. What kind of motherfucking young motherfuckers Don't come not tell the big homie they on the list. They on the hit list. These across town got their name and all this on the thing. And tell them about if it's up or not. Ain't nobody let Dre. Ain't nobody did Dre like that ever. Put him on no mother list. You dig? You put Dre's name on the list right now, he coming to see you. You dig? So that's how disrespectful we is with this boxing.

1:22:40It's called this. Cold guy. Cold guy. Yeah. Take me to the, you know, dead on his belt 2019, sanctioning bodies, doing what they do, they elevated Loma to, what, super champion? No, so what happened was we were initially ranked in the WBC. We were going to fight Luke Campbell. Top rank petitions for a champion to fight for a vacant belt with the WBC. So he beat Luke Campbell, right? And then instead of fighting us, he chose to fight, I think he lost to T.O. He lost to Belster T.O. But before that, though, I think he was already elevated, no? Loma? To the super champion? He might have, okay, yeah, he, yes.

1:23:27I'm not sure. No, no, Dre. I think he did. Dre, 100 % right. He fought Luke Campbell, and then they elevated him to the super champion, which made him hands-off. We couldn't petition to fight him. Then he lost to Teofimo Lopez, right? Then Teofimo Lopez wouldn't fight us. He said that he had to fight as mandatory in George Cambosos, right? So he fought George Cambosos, lost to George Cambosos. George Cambosos said, Teofimo, if you rematch me, you got to come to Australia. Teofimo said he wasn't going to rematch him. So we went to Australia, whipped George Cambosos twice, came back with the belts, and on the plane, I'm riding on the plane coming back from Australia.

1:24:05And Dave said, I still want Lomachenko. I said, Dave, you're already undisputed. What do you want Lomachenko for? Right? Lomachenko, he ducked you here, he ducked you there. He did all, what do you want Lomachenko? He said, Dad, I just want Lomachenko. So we came to the fight here in New York City when Loma was fighting Jermaine Ortiz. Dave jumped in the ring, right? Now, I don't know if you can remember a time where a guy has fought for Undisputed, defended Undisputed against a guy you lost to in George Cambosos, then came back to the United States and defended Undisputed against a pound-for-pound great in Lomachenko.

1:24:54You see what I mean? So we had to do three fights to become Undisputed, right? because we were with Eddie, but Eddie couldn't make the fight happen with Cambosos. He couldn't make the fight happen because Cambosos. Oh, you call that man Cambosos? Cambosos. Okay. You sound like Bozo. No, no, no. Shout out to Cambosos. I mean, Cambosos and his father, man. Solid people. Yeah, they solid. They solid. But let me tell you, though. So Eddie couldn't make the fight happen, Because Lou DiBella had George Cambosos, and George Cambosos did a deal with the top rank to fight Devin. And they said that we had the side in the top rank, not for one fight for the Undisputed, but for three fights.

1:25:50So we did the two fights, and then we had the third fight would be Lomo. Well, it could be whoever they got. It could be whoever the top rank got. It could be Shakur. it could be Loma, it could be whoever. So it ended up being Lomachenko, right? So we come back and we say, for to give Shakur a fight for Undisputed again, now I don't know how many people done did that, but to do that, right, you're gonna get a flat fee. We had to sign for three fights and also all we got was flat fees. What's crazy when you get in charge on. But anyway, so look, So we tell him, get a flat feet. Nah, nah, nah. I want a percentage.

1:26:34Bro, percentage? You ain't a percentage of what? You ain't getting no percentage of nothing up until that point. Have you been on pay-per-view? Right. Has he? Right. Who that? Shakur. I don't know. How'd you get to Shakur again? No, I said, had he been on pay-per-view? Because what I'm telling you is how it's happened. Because we offered Shakur the fight. Oh, that's the part you... Okay, I thought we was talking about Loma, moving to Loma. from Cambosos to Loma. So we went from Cambosos to defending against Lomachenko, correct? You follow what I'm saying? That's three fights. Okay, now we went back to Eddie and fought at 140 against Regis Progray.

1:27:15Now during that time, right, after the three fights, Shakur wanted to fight, right? He wanted to fight for Undisputed, right? He wanted to fight. So what we said in that fight is that you take a flat fee for a chance at undisputed. Do you understand what I'm saying? Yeah, yeah. You left some details out. I didn't know you was talking about you. Yeah, okay. So within that process, right, he said no, that he wouldn't take a flat fee. I said, well, listen, Cora, in order that we, for everything that we've done to get to this, right, I don't want to do it, but I give you 25%. for Devin to stick around and to give you action at that.

1:27:58And remind you, he hasn't been in a big fight until now, since then. What? So when he didn't take an offer, we went up and did the deal with Eddie Hearn for Regis Progray. One fight. After Regis Progray, we went to Golden Boy for Ryan Garcia. After Golden Boy and Ryan Garcia, we went to top rank and, no, Golden Boy, we went back to Golden Boy for Jose Ramirez. And after Jose Ramirez, we went to top rank for Brian Norman. So that'll just show you what we've done and what we will do to make these fights happen. for Devin in a quest to be on the Mount Rushmore Boxing, where hopefully he see your face at, Drake.

1:28:52Yeah, yeah. I respect it. I respect it. Let me get back to the tote. You go to Australia, that's a fight you almost didn't make it to that first one. You made it over there. Dev did what he had to do, put on a great performance in front of what? How many? Well, 65 ,000. 55 ,065. First stadium fight. Came back, did it again. How many months later? It was a short time, four or five months later. Was y 'all trying to, even though y 'all was contractually bound to go back, was y 'all trying to get it in the States, though, the second fight? Of course, you know what I mean. We would have liked it to be in the States, but we were contractually bound to go back there, and the good people of Australia was putting up the money.

1:29:28Y 'all was treated well over there? Like kings. Yeah, yeah. But then the Loma fight, you know, in Las Vegas, tell me about that fight, that preparation and that fight. That's a fight that had been rumored and talked about for a long time. It's finally here. Tell me about that moment. I mean, it's a classic. You know what I mean? It's one of his best fights, most competitive fights, an all-time great, you know, with you and Tim sitting ringside and everything. Man, it's one that, you know, we'll never forget for sure. Yeah. I think that was one of Dez's best performances, man, for a few reasons, you know.

1:30:08He was making, he was having trouble making, was it 135? 135, yes. 135. and the weight for people that don't know, when you're struggling to make weight, I'm not saying being undisciplined and then having to crash weight off. I'm saying just, it's hard to lose all this weight and get back to this weight class. I'm really growing out of it type of thing. You can be in tip top shape and there's gonna be spots in that fight where you're gonna feel that weight cut. And most of the time, it's eighth, ninth, tenth round. Yes. And if you got that bite down in you and if you're in tip top shape, you can get that second win for that 11 to 12 or something like that and close strong, but you're going to feel the weight cut.

1:30:44I don't care how good a shape you in. But the way Devin, the way Devin boxing that fight, I remember going out and I was in the back and we came out to commentate. No, take that back. I was sitting ringside and the two fighters, they in the holding area getting ready to come out. And I'm listening to the crowd and I'm looking at the big screen. It's a lot of energy in the room. Yes. It's a lot of energy in the room. Yes. And it's the type of energy that if you're not right, it can drain you. Yes. It can literally drain you. You can start becoming a spectator to your own event like, man, there's a lot of people in here tonight.

1:31:20Yes. I don't care how good your camp is, you can lose it from the dressing room to the ring. Yes. You can lose it. Yes. Meaning you're not locked in no more, and you're going to go out there, and you're not going to perform the way you should. That can happen. But I remember listening to the crowd and thinking, this is going to be a big moment for Dev. It's going to be for both fighters, really. But I want to see how Devin responds to this because this is one of the moments when you're going to graduate or you're going to get sat down. Absolutely. Right? Absolutely. So boom, the fight starts. And the poise that Devin had throughout the fight, man, was impressive because Loma's doing that Loma stuff.

1:31:59Yes. He's doing the Matrix stuff. He's stepping around. Even when he's not doing something, he looks like he's doing something. Yes. But the type of punches he hits you with, It's not so much power. I'm sure he got power, but it's stuff you don't see. Stepping to the side, bing, bing, bing, bing. It can spook you. Yes. Because it's coming in different ways. You know what I'm saying? I saw Dev stick to the game, playing the body shots. You know, either side of Loma's body was red. Loma had moments. It's going to happen. Yes, of course. When you fight an elite guy, they're going to have moments.

1:32:28It's like a hoop game. You're going to have a run, we're going to have a run. We got to have more runs than you and try to minimize your runs as much as possible. So Loma had some moments, but Devin just stayed composed, even in them tough spots. And I never seen him panic. I never seen him get outside himself. Even when Loma had his moments, he stayed within himself. You coached a great fight. That fight, we could hear you in the corner. But the 12th round, though, that's the round. We don't have 13, 14, 15 no more. We got 11 and 12. Yes. if a fight is tight like that, you have to assume. I don't care if you Loma or Devin Haney.

1:33:09You have to assume I need that last round. Dev went and got that last round, man, and that fight elevated him. I'm not even saying stature-wise with your stardom. I'm saying internally. Yes. Mental. Like, I got some more stripes. Absolutely. Because I've been through something, and I came out on the other side, and I can talk about it. That's one of my favorite fights of Dev because being a fighter, I know the type of pressure that both fighters was under, but more so him being the guy that they like, yeah, you did all that stuff, but you ain't never fought him. You ain't never fought the Matrix before.

1:33:40You ain't never fought this guy before. Dev owned that moment. Right. I think a big part of that, I always lean into experience. We've been there before. No matter when you talk about adversity and you talk about a crowd, those days in Mexico, those days in the Dominican Republic where there was one time that we came out and it was the finals in a youth tournament. And I think Devin was, you know, like 15 or 16 years old. And it was in Monte Plata, I believe. And the whole stadium is surrounded. I mean, you know, crowded, I should say, the whole thing. And when we came out, you know, and they're saying all kind of things.

1:34:24They're saying obscenities. They're saying all kind of, right? Even to the youngsters, to the amateur? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But it was a calm that he was able to get when we talked about it. I said, do you understand any of this they saying? He was like, nah. I was like, well, come on, let's rock. You know what I mean? And at that moment, it almost has a different sound. And I think that you can attest to it. When you're hearing it, it almost becomes a chant for you when you're locked in. You know what I'm saying? So we've become road warriors. We've only fought one time at home. The rest of the time is in, you know what I mean?

1:35:09On the road, yeah. On the road, you know what I mean? So when you kind of lean on, you lean on the negativity as fuel, you're using it as fuel, it almost becomes scary when you're in an environment where everybody is cheering for you, how do you get the emotion, right? Because you need a different mindset. You have a different mindset because while they're waiting to cheer, they're quiet. But when it's an adverse crowd, they're booing, they're getting you to go. You know what I'm saying? It's just a different, it's a whole different atmosphere to me. And that MGM that night, it was electric. It was electric.

1:35:47It was a big night, man. Powerful night. I seen the same thing when... But even in Vegas, they came to see Dev lose. There was more people there to see Dev lose. Right? And that's supposed to be considered our home court. You know what I mean? And in those moments, what Dre, you carefully described was that moment where you can either go here or you can go there. Got two options. We went. We went there. And we continue to have that, you know, about us, even when you put us in those moments. We fought in the bubble. We fought Saudi Arabia. We fought in Australia, MGM, you know what I mean, Madison Square.

1:36:29You know what I mean? So there's not an environment that we're going to lean on the environment for support. We're going to lean on the work and the skills that we put in. He got a stadium fight. He got two stadium fights under his belt. Most Americans don't have no stadium fights under their belt. Yes. Most, they're going to hit to 20 ,000, 22 ,000, 15 ,000, 18 ,000, whatever it is. Most of us ain't going to get a stadium fight because our structure here ain't built like that. So that took him up too. But I noticed even in the Cambosis fight, I knew he was ready, and I knew he was going to win when he was in the tunnel for the first fight.

1:37:00He looked around, seen the crowd. I'm like, all right, about to see what he about to do. He started smiling, and he started jumping up and down, and he just ran to the ring. I said, oh, he ready. Oh, that was fun. He ready. He ran to the ring. I said, he ready. Oh, that was so much energy and juice because I'm right there winning, and he popping like this. You wasn't supposed to be there. You almost didn't make it. No, I wasn't going to be there. And you know how you get that jump as a fighter? So I'm watching him jump, but then I see him kind of move. And then he just took off, like, to go to the ring.

1:37:28He was focused. That's a made-up mind. Yeah, that was a made-up mind that that's what it was. Yeah. Let's shoot to the Ryan Garcia fight, man, in 2024. And keep it 100 with me. And I still don't know, and you'll know better than me. Worst shit in the world to talk about, actually, but I'm going to keep it 100. Come on, Drake. Keep it 100. Worst shit in the world, man. We're going to get through this real quick. We're going to get through this as quick as we can. But we got to talk about it, though. Yes. You know, 2024, like, Ryan was on some other stuff, right? Like, in terms of his approach, you know, I don't know if he was really crazy, playing crazy.

1:38:07But the buildup was awkward and different. During, while y 'all was in training camp, it was awkward and different. And it's the type of thing where if you're not on point and if you don't tune him out, you'll start questioning, like, man, is dude getting ready? Right. Is he preparing? Right. You know, did any of that creep into the camp for this fight, getting ready? And how was y 'all keeping that stuff back? Because you've seen the antics every day. Every day it was something new. Obviously fighting him six times in the amateurs. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. We kind of got a sense of, you know what I mean, he is a talented fighter.

1:38:48I think in that fight, it was a lot of strategy in it that from using the PEDs. Now, this is what my take on it, how I feel. I think that he was using the PEDs and he didn't care if the fight was going to happen or not. It was just so happened that they didn't get detected until he lost the weight and he was bone dry. and now, you know what I mean? You know how you're pissing out everything that's really there. You know what I mean? And, you know, but that's not Dev's fault. You know what I'm saying? That falls on his team. That's part of it. That fight. That's why I said it's the worst thing in the world because it's not Devon's loss.

1:39:35It was a loss that happened at the management level, at the business level, at the, you know what I mean, signing the fight. Devin always because he agreed to the fight but I didn't have the fight out in enough time that Ryan shouldn't have came in there On the PDs you should have pushed it I should have pushed the drug testing back more that you know I mean he wouldn't have been allowed to have none of that in there You know what I'm saying? And I think that when When we encouraged that that next fight, which would have been the rematch Raleigh Romero benefited by the long drug testing, and he got a Ryan Garcia that was more likely on nothing, right?

1:40:22More closer to himself. But to Ryan Garcia now, I don't know, Dre. The man looking like he might be. That's the elephant in the room. See, that's the thing is, when this was happening like that, when it was happening to us, like it's happening to Mario Barrios, we laid back and Mario was training just like Dev is training but it actually falls on Mario's team to figure what that is and how that's gonna play out that fell on me that you know I mean because I put Devin in there with a fighter that was on so you don't attribute none of that what happened in that fight to skill, Ryan being better in any category.

1:41:09But my guy didn't have a fair one because we as a team let him down and had him in there with a guy that's awesome. You know what I'm saying? So we got to stand up and be accountable for what our actions was. I mean, like I can say, we pitched a hell of a performance in Brian Norman in the fight. We did great in the negotiations. We did great in the Lomachenko, but I didn't do a great part in the Ryan Garcia fight. My guy stayed down with me. You know what I'm saying? Because he knew I did the best I could. But learning on the job means that sometimes we got to push the fight out. And one thing I did with Brian Norman is I said, okay, so as soon as y 'all want to announce this fight, we got to go.

1:41:57We got to go. And I caught a lot of flack for that. But it was the right thing to do based on what I had already experienced. from a business perspective. Now with Ryan Garcia, his fight didn't get announced to one month out, right? But when they did the full final announcement, it was like a month away from the fight. So what does that say about when they started drug testing? Yeah, I can't call it. Yeah. But I wanna stay here a little bit longer, man, because I do think, Bill, it's important, right, to like, talk about the youth, you talk about the youngsters, they gotta hear how y 'all navigate through these choppy waters.

1:42:35You know what I'm saying? We sell them a dream that it's always going to be a mountaintop if you work hard. Now, you can work hard sometimes and still not make it up there. Or you're going to hit some rough spots on the way up, and you might drop a little bit, and you got to dig your way out of there and come back up. So I think it's important, man, if you can, to really, you know, as we talk through this fight, because, you know, people need to hear how y 'all got through this. You know what I'm saying? Like, even how you coach Devin through that fight. Like, how are you separating being a father?

1:43:01That's my baby. I don't care how old you are. How many titles you win versus this? I need to coach you through this. You know what I'm saying? Dev got hurt early in that fight, right? I think he got dropped, what, three times? Yes. And one thing I respect about Dev, never, never, never turn. He could have easily leaned in and said, I can't do it. Yes. And I believe you would have stopped the fight. Yes. As that fight is playing out, what are you thinking? What are you telling him in the corner? Because they didn't go to the corner very often, from what I remember. How are you as the coach and the captain leading him through these waters right now that he's dealing with?

1:43:36Obviously, he chose to fight a style, right? Because you know that you can have a game plan and a fighter might see something else. I'm saying Devin has a whole warehouse. He's the boss up in there. We go in there with a game plan, but the game plan sometimes isn't executed, you know what I mean, to the fullest that you have to adjust the game plan based on when emotions get involved. He became real emotional about the fight. He wanted to stop him. He wanted to stand there. He wanted to be in the pocket. He wanted to do certain things that's not consistent with who he is. Was that because that's how he felt?

1:44:16Because you could walk up them stairs and decide no, I'm finna fight tonight. Even though you've been training the box. Was it that or was it everything that Ryan had been saying and doing leading up to the fight? Well, and just Listen, my experience, and you can tell me if it's wrong, is I've never experienced sin or a part of a fight where it starts out boxing and then they start fighting first. Now that happens. But where it starts out a fight and then they start boxing. It's hard to go back to the boxing. It's hard to go. You see what I mean? So once that switch clicked and he started fighting.

1:44:50It's hard to go back. It's hard to go back to boxing. Everybody is watching. They say, oh, he's boxing now. He's running. Right? Most guys don't want to switch it back to there, but you can start out boxing and then for a minute fight, but then go back. But if you start out fighting, it's hard. And then you had early trouble too, so you're trying to play catch up. You're trying to let them know I'm still here. So you ain't got the luxury to really, you can box your way back into the fight, but you really feel like you need to, you're feeling like you need to fight your way back into the fight.

1:45:20It's one of those kind of things, though, that in every fight, I think that you learn something about yourself. You know what I mean? And it was a great opportunity for him to know, you know, learn how tough he is. Right? And as a family, right, I came out the next day. I was like, man, I'm proud of him, man. You know what I mean? Down three times, back up. You know what I mean? Then gave everybody a hug. No finger pointing. You know what I'm saying? Man, y 'all, whoop, whoop, whoop. Right? I mean, so I just got a chance to see, man, a real man's man, you know? And that's how y 'all got through it over the next six months, five months, whatever it was.

1:45:56that was a big blow. Well, I mean, it was what a leader does more so than what we done, right? As a leader, he stepped up and said, okay, this didn't happen, but we're going to move on. He didn't go through on the tour, on the explanation tour, you know what I mean? I think he came and talked to you after that fight, right? He came and talked to you after that fight. So, you know what I mean? It just really showed what kind of guy he is, and I couldn't be more happier, you know what I mean, serving in his army. Yeah. Yeah. That's a fight y 'all trying to get back? Of course. Is he on the list?

1:46:36Of course. Of course he's on the list. Of course. We fought him already six times, so I don't think he's a name that won't never go off the list. You know what I'm saying? But is that something you actively want to do? Absolutely. Yeah. My guy's the best in the world, though, and everybody is just stay busy fights. Yeah, I heard you the first time you said it. No, I mean, I just didn't know if you needed to hear it again. I got you. I got you. Tell me about one thing I noticed before the fight. Have anybody, matter of fact, have anybody said to you that they want to fight them? Said to me? Yeah.

1:47:11I mean, Shakur has always said he want to fight. He said that publicly, not to me, but to publicly. I think they both have said that. Why you mentioned Shakur again? That's the only one I can think of. Okay. You asked me a specific question. I'm trying to get your answer. I said no, and I thought about it. I'm like, nah, it's recording. I said, you know, I think both of them. That's why you're on the list. Yeah, that's why you're on the list. And you're going to stay on the list until we make it happen. But tell me this. Did I see this right? Before the fight with Ryan Garcia, the locker room was packed.

1:47:42Then I seen the cameras following back after the fight. There wasn't that many people there. Yeah. Is that what you saw? Of course. You know, I was in the delivery room with him. I don't know where all these people came from.

1:47:59So, you know what I mean? It's always a sight, you know what I mean? I'm super excited to see all the people, right? But I'm also super excited to see him when he's alone. You know what I mean? What you mean by that? Well, it was a great opportunity for him to recalibrate who he is. Right? Yeah. Because you can be a young guy and you never have that kind of attention, you never have that kind of fame, you never have that kind of support, and then I could be feeling a certain way. You know what I mean? Because I feel like, damn, I know Sean, my youngest son, he wants that, and I hope that he can have it.

1:48:38You know what I mean? Right? But then also, there's times when nobody is around and you have those moments when you can recalibrate the essence of who you are. You know what I mean? Because all this is happening because of you. Not because of all of them. You know what I mean? So we're here enjoying it. We're here supporting you. But it's your show. Coming from the element you came from, you understand the treachery that's out there. Right? And it's gotten worse. Oh, yeah. It's gotten worse since the early 2000s and 90s or whatnot. For sure. You see Dev moving. you know, they know Dev make a lot of money.

1:49:18They see the shine. They see him, you know, he not really hiding it. You know what I'm saying? You're not living in the same city with him no more. You know, y 'all move around. You know, he growing full grown, right? How do you sleep at night? What do you tell him to say, son, make sure you're moving like this, man. I understand what's out there. What is that balance between letting him be a man but then protecting your son and your baby as best you can? Say, look, bro, don't do that. Don't do that, because it's sharks out there. What's that balance? Well, as I've matured and gained wisdom, I understand what my mom and dad used to go through with me.

1:49:56You see what I'm saying? But only solace I have in that is understanding that he's not doing what I was doing. You see what I'm saying? So I'm saying it's okay. Well, you know what I mean? Allah is the perfect planner. I have to lean on the fact of what I've done as a dad and raising him, what the community, you know, of men that we have, you know, that he's encountered with, he's learned from. You know what I mean? And I kind of just lean on that, lean on the fact that he's a sharp young guy. Mm-hmm. And that allows you to sleep at night. Absolutely. But I told him this, though, and every dad needs to know that there is that time when Sean and Lil' Bill and Dev, you have to break away from your dad.

1:50:43Because I'm not going to kick you out. So as a man, okay, you ready? Well, go. You don't need no announcement. But as long as you're there and as long as you're around, I'll continue to support. I'll continue to give you advice as a dad. But when it's that time as a man that you're making that move and you have that vision intact, and it's your vision alone as a man, then you must follow it. You know what I mean? So that's kind of like my take on it. Yeah. What's next for Team Haney? I know it's a list out there. You just naming names. I know y 'all always... Tell him again, Drake. Tell him again.

1:51:20In your words. There's a list. There's a list. I knew a list, but I didn't know it was that deep. There's a list. I didn't know the list was that deep. Yeah, you name drop it on a list. You name drop it on a list. But what's next? Well, I mean, the names on the list are the biggest and the best names in or around the division. I think, you know, Devin is the name right now that's moving the needle in boxing in terms of you can make it happen. You know what I mean? We can get that fight. You know what I mean? So, uh... We'll see. I think this interview is going to help a lot. I think you're gonna help a lot, and I think we might see something that we weren't expecting before I came on the show.

1:52:01Yes, sir. I think we can leave it right there. B.H., I appreciate you, bro. You know, you're welcome on the show. Yes, sir! Yes, sir. Give me some, team. Bless you, bless you. I appreciate you, man. Keep doing what you're doing.

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