Katie Taylor: The Olympic Gold That Stopped Ireland, A Hall of Fame Career & The Serrano Trilogy

27:17And so that in itself would keep me very, very humble. I know I would not be in this position if it wasn't for my faith, if it wasn't for God in my life, and if it wasn't for my family as well, the support system around me. And, of course, there's probably times where I did get a bit prideful, maybe, but for the most part, I think I realized that I'm not in this position by myself. Yeah. In 2012, that was the first Olympics where women were able to be a part of it. And that was your gold medal Olympics. Yeah. Talk me through that experience from the beginning until the time you won the gold medal.

27:54Yeah. Well, my first official fight in Ireland was when I was 15 years of age against Alana Murphy. It was a history-making fight, the first fight ever in women's boxing in Ireland. Wow. And so myself and Lana shared a piece of history together. And we became great friends after we traveled the world together on the amateur team. And this is still at a time where women's boxing wasn't included in the Olympic Games. And I was campaigning very, very hard for that. And then I got invited by the Olympic Committee to fight in Chicago to showcase whether women's boxing was up to the standards. So this is a huge fight for the future of women's boxing.

28:34I wasn't fighting for myself that day. I was fighting for every single girl that dreamed of fighting in the Olympic Games. What the Olympic community wanted to know was that do these girls have what it takes? So I had to perform. I felt a way to that. Thank God I won the fight, but more importantly, women's boxing was included in the Olympic Games after that. The qualification system obviously was a tough process as well. people thought it was a foregone conclusion for me that I was going to win a gold medal but I still had to qualify and if you look at my record you might see other dominance but if you see in the fights you see five or six lightweights just challenging each other there's maybe one or two points in between those fights as well very very close fights the margin for error was so so thin in those fights and that's something that people didn't see that the line between winning and losing is very, very close.

29:35Very, very, yes. So the qualification system was very, very tough, but I had the weight of a nation on my shoulders going to those Olympic Games as well. I was expected to come back with a gold medal, but I felt like the nation just came behind me. I was everybody's daughter, everybody's sister that day in Ireland, and the whole country literally came to a standstill. And it made it even more dramatic that the final was so, so close, and we had to wait for a couple of minutes for the scorecard. Yeah, that was probably the quietest Ireland there's ever been. Followed by a roar that went into heaven.

30:12It was very, very special. Special for me, special for the nation. And just my childhood dream come to pass. Were your parents, were they able to go? Yeah, yeah, my dad was in my corner. He was my coach, yeah. And my whole family were front row. Amazing. Just an amazing moment for me and my family. I still got goosebumps, like, looking back at those clips. My whole title was based around this one dream. And talk about a pressure situation, but so, so special. I watched your Olympics as well, by the way. I think I was 16 or 17 years of age when I watched you win your goal in 2004. Amazing. It's nothing like it.

30:54Nothing like it. Very, very special. Fighting for your country. It's nothing like it. Yeah. Because, like you said, that was the first big goal. that we had, you know, it was Olympics. It wasn't about money, it was just about representing your country. The honor, the pride, yeah, that you feel just, yeah, fighting for your country, seeing your flag going up, hearing the national anthem. Just goosebumps. What was the reception like back home? Oh, it was amazing. We went through my hometown, Bray, and the hundreds of thousands of people out there, that was our only gold medal that year. Oh, wow.

31:30Yeah, so we don't win many medals. Obviously, it's a very, very small country. Boxing is always our best sport in those Olympic games. And so we won one gold medal, a silver medal, a few bronze medals, all from boxing. And so, yeah, but like I said, the whole country came behind me. And the support I've gotten from everybody at home was being special. So you didn't, turning pro wasn't an option after that? I didn't even think of turning pro, to be honest. You weren't even thinking about it. Yeah, I wasn't even thinking about it. That was maybe in the late LA years. It was, as I say, women's professional boxing probably lacked a bit of strength and depth.

32:13That's true. I wasn't even thinking about the pro game, to be honest. My sights were fairly fixed and just retaining my Olympic Omen in 2016. But that obviously didn't go to plan. Yeah, the ups and downs of sport, they can be cruel and exhilarating all at the same time. And I went into those Olympic Games, just obviously believing I was going to win again, but I lost my first fight to a girl I'd beaten many times previously and just wasn't going in probably with the right mental or physical preparation that I would have liked. And it was a very difficult time for me in my personal life as well.

32:54and so After the loss? Before the Before the Rio Olympics Really? My dad was my coach at the time I had to step away from my dad due to personal reasons and I was going into that competition without my dad in the corner for the first time I wasn't my preparation was a nightmare That's tough and but still believing I was going to win and the way the way I played I was very very difficult to lose in the first round for competitions was awful and it's hard to over say how heartbreaking that is for an athlete with my kind of mentality where winning is almost everything it was very very difficult and the ups and downs of sport but then I look back and I see what that loss meant and what that loss produced and I'm absolutely certain that I wouldn't have went pro if it wasn't for that loss I wouldn't have had the privilege of making an impact in the pro game and disrupting pro women's boxing the way I have done over the last eight or nine years.

34:01So, yeah. What was your, if you don't mind me asking, what was your dad's response to when you got home, being that he wasn't with you for that and then that you lost in the first round? I mean, I don't know, to be honest. I'm obviously very, very close to my dad before that, and I am now, but during that time, it was very, very tough. I'm sure he was looking at that heartbroken that he wasn't over there with me and he knew that I'm sure he knew how heartbreaking that was for me in that moment because he knew the mentality that I have and he's the one that brought me to the gym he's the one that taught me how to fight with that he's a phenomenal coach and so he knew how I would have felt during that time so my dad never stopped being my dad I just had to step away from him professionally but I'm sure it was tough for him as well, watching from a distance for the first time.

35:01And, but, yeah, that was just an awful time for me personally and professionally, really. I'm glad I've gotten over that period. Yeah, man, that sounds tough. I couldn't imagine being the father and, like, seeing my baby girl. Yeah, yeah. Not just in the Olympics, but, like, not being able to be there. So I know that was very difficult for both of you guys. Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. But one of the highlights I've had throughout my professional career was getting my dad involved in my last fight against Serrano. It was like a full circle moment. He was in the gym with me again for the first time in years.

35:36I know, that felt good. It was amazing for both of us, I think. Very, very special for both of us. You know, being from Ireland, how did you view the United States? Was it like, I need to get over there in order to really make it as a professional, or did you not feel that way? Yeah, I mean, I thought there was going to be lots more opportunities over here. And I think the Americans overall had a real pro style, didn't they? All the best professional fighters come from America. Every gym over here, it's based around professional boxing, whereas every gym in Ireland is based around amateur boxing.

36:11It's very, very different. And so I knew I needed to get over here, and that's when I first contacted my coach, Ross Sass, and could have come over for a training camp. this is after the Rio Olympics. He didn't know who I was. He had no idea of my amateur accomplishments. He did not? I don't think so. Then he just got a phone call from you saying, hey, can I say hi there? Nice to meet you. I just want to introduce myself. My name's Katie. That's great. I had a bit of a tough year as an amateur boxer. I'm thinking of turning a pro. I'm wondering if I could have come over for a training camp. That's a heavy coach's dream.

36:47Yeah. to get a phone call like that from somebody like you. Yeah, well, thankfully he applied. He let me come over. That's when I was over in Connecticut for the first few weeks, and that's when I got the fire back again. I got the hunger for my sport back again. And I was in the gym with all these pros, and I fell in love with my sport all over again. And that was everything for me. I just wanted to enjoy my boxing again. And that's when I first contacted Eddie Hearn as well. So you reached out to Eddie? I reached out to Eddie while I was here in Connecticut saying, just telling him, I can't remember all I said in the message, but I told him I was thinking I'd turn a pro.

37:26And I feel like I can do in a pro game what I did in the amateur game. And I think he could sense the hunger in that. I think Eddie could too. And he basically just responded with let's meet. And the rest is history. Wow. Yeah. Wow. So you're reaching out to these guys. Yeah. Looking for opportunity, but you're also giving them opportunity. I guess so. We didn't really know how this was going to go though. This was at a time when women's boxing was non-existent. Nobody really cared about women's boxing and less than ten years later we're headlining Madison Square Garden. We're headlining these big shows.

38:01It's amazing progress in one generation. It's incredible. Man, it's powerful. So you turned pro right after that 2016 Olympic Games, the second Olympic Games. and you won a world title in your ninth fight against Victoria Bustos. Over the next five fights, you begin to unify the lightweight division. And in your 15th fight in 2019, you become a two-division world champion. Why the move up and why did you just stay champion in both weight classes, the lightweight and super lightweight? I think it was just the opportunity rose. And they asked me if I wanted to become a two-weight world champion.

38:38And I said, that sounds amazing. Yeah, why not? I don't think moving up and down the weights is too important in women's boxing because we don't punch as hard as a man. So it's a lot more difficult for men to move up and down the weights. But for women, you see lots of female fighters actually doing that. I fought the likes of Jessica McCastle. She moved up to welterweight and became one of the super champion. I fought the likes of Natasha Jonas. she moved up to maybe like middleweight and became world champion. All these girls have been going up and down the way just to get these different opportunities.

39:15It's not as important or as difficult. And I'm probably the smallest lightweight in the history of boxing. I walk around at maybe 140 pounds. I never felt the need to actually kill myself making way for these fights. So you don't like, talk to me about that a little bit because I hear the phrase, like, weight bully, weight bully. And I feel like, you know, as long as two fighters make the weight, like, it's a fair game. But why don't you worry too much about weight? Because some fighters believe the old mindset, which is boil down as much as you can for the advantage. But I feel like if you're a good boxer, like, you can pretty much, you can deal with whatever.

39:56Yeah, it's not about size, it's not about skill. Skill, yeah. Yeah, exactly. So I never felt the need to kill myself making weight. Even as an amateur boxer, I was the same I was never the biggest lightweight in the world and I know that you were the same as well even for those 2004 Olympic Games you were probably the smallest the smallest middleweight in that competition but you're the most skilled player in the competition and that's what it's all about but yeah and those guys what I noticed too is like in the Olympics I know you know but you fight like every 3-4 days and I would watch like my teammates and other guys in other countries, they were not able to eat that much.

40:39Yeah, exactly. So they fight a tough fight and then because my weight was low, I was eating. I'm hydrating. I'm like, I'm fine. That was the same with me. And these guys are starving. And then as the tournament progressed, they got weaker and weaker and I stayed strong. So it's actually an advantage. It is, yeah, absolutely. And I actually got better as a competition with my dog. That's for me, yeah. So first fight was a bit flat maybe. Second fight was a bit better. But the time the final came around, I'm flying. I'm flying right now. And so when you have to starve yourself for a whole week, that's not good for anybody's body.

41:11But for me, I was able to eat during those competitions as well. So young fighters out there, listen to her. Listen to what she's saying. That's powerful stuff. Fight at the right weight class. You don't want to be 20 pounds overweight. It's not an advantage. It's a disadvantage. Trust your skills. And even if the fighter looks bigger, your skills can offset that. Exactly. Yeah, it's all about skill. I've been saying that for years. It's not about size or anything about... Yeah, look at Crawford against Canelo. It's a classic... You just have to be strong enough. Yeah, it's a classic example, isn't it?

41:47So, yeah. You won your first undisputed lightweight championship against Delphine Pursun. I think that was in the middle of the pandemic, like 2020. I actually fought Pursun and MSG and an athlete Joshua undercard. But then the rematch was during the pandemic. The first fight was a very, very tough fight. And it grew a little fight, actually. But thankfully, I removed all day on a rematch. The second fight was for the first undisputed championship? The first fight was for the undisputed championship. So this was the rematch to try to... How did that feel to actually win that first undisputed? Like, you keep taking it up the ladder.

42:26Like, first it's championship and it's unification. Now it's undisputed. You're undisputed lightweight champion. Yeah, amazing. What does that feel like? Incredible, because I had to win every single belt individually to get to that undisputed title. So, obviously, very, very special. That was on the AJ versus Andrew Ruiz fight. That was a huge, yeah, that was a huge upset. Obviously, a crazy night. and yeah, just I think that might have been my first fight in MSG maybe. Obviously an undercard fight, but amazing to become an undercard champion in Madison Square Garden in a grueling 10-round fight.

43:07It was a very, very tough fight and to come true on top was very, very special. I hold all those belts. Yeah, incredible. We don't like the sanction fees, but it's nice to have the best. No, it's the sanction fees. Let's not talk about the sanction fees. We don't want the sanction fees. Oh, my goodness. I can see if I fly Mayweather did what he did, right? He didn't fly for any of the belts near the end. He became bigger than the belts. I still have bad thoughts about the sanctioned fees. Even today, I think about, oh, my God. I gave him so much money. I know. Oh, my goodness. I'm getting flashbacks already.

43:42Between the sanctioned fees and tax. And the taxes. Man. But anyway. I'm getting flashbacks. I've got to stop. A couple years later, in April of 2022, in steps Amanda Serrano for the first time. You know, she's a tough, skillful Puerto Rican fighter. You guys are fighting at MSG. What did you know about her going into that fight for the first one? I knew how Amanda, when I first turned pro, she was, I guess, the most experienced women's professional boxer during that time. She had over 40 fights. Kickboxer, too. I think she did kickboxing. Exactly, yeah, exactly. So I knew of her, and I obviously knew of her sister as well.

44:28I fought her sister three years ago. You did, you did. Years ago as well. So, yeah, I knew of Amanda. But when the fight was made, I was very, very excited. The fact that we were headlining MSG was one of those moments where I think, oh, my gosh, we've actually made it. In the space of maybe seven or eight years as a pro, a first-term pro, the females were making pennies. That's great. Nobody really cared about women's professional boxing. It was non-existent. And then a few years later, we're headlining this most iconic arena. And even heading into fight week that week, you know, your face on billboards everywhere.

45:11It's crazy, right? It's crazy. I mean, you just knew that this was different. and it was just one of those moments of, oh my gosh, wow, we actually made an amazing moment for the sport and for me personally. And, yeah, the fight itself was an instant classic as well, it was iconic. And I feel like I just had a really bad couple of rounds in the middle of that fight, but overall, I thought it was a very good performance and the atmosphere itself was electric, the Irish and the Puerto Ricans got together. The only fight that was, I think, more electric than that was the last fight. Like, you didn't think you can get more electric than the first fight.

45:53And then, you know, we'll talk through the second fight, but then the third fight, that was different. But we'll get there. We'll get there. So in this first fight, fourth round, you get cut. Like, there were epic moments just like there are in epic fights, right? There's back and forth. You have an advantage. And then Serrano seems like she's having an advantage, but you get cut in the fourth round. You had been cut before. What were you thinking? Was it not a big deal? I mean, you're not happy about it. I don't even remember getting cut in the fourth round. So you weren't thinking it wasn't that big a deal?

46:21It wasn't. Like, I caught in that fight, I don't even remember that, to be honest. So you don't really think of it during the fight. You're just, that's part of the process of the sport, isn't it? And I have been cut before in fights, so I don't think that was an issue for me. Yeah. Some people panic, though, when they see their own blood, and some people get mad. Some people just have different reactions. Yeah, yeah. But that led into two epic rounds back-to-back that you guys had in the first fight. Round five and round six. Let's not talk about round five. All right, let's leave that alone.

46:50Let me just ask you this about it. In those type of moments, though, like when it's not going your way or it's 50-50 moment, 60-40 moment, what are you thinking? Like in that moment, what are you thinking? Because it's a lot going on. There's obviously a lot going on, but people talk about the heart and stuff and the grit and determination, but I didn't feel like I had to show a lot of heart enough. I felt like I was clear-headed going back to the round during the fifth and sixth round, and I actually came back and I actually won the sixth round. So to get hurt like that and to come back and actually win the sixth round was very, very unique, I think.

47:32But just the will to win, I guess, kicks in, doesn't it? You're not thinking about anything but winning the fight and winning the next round, you have to adjust, and every great fighter adjusts. And that's what makes the likes of Fly Mayweather Pro so great. He's able to adjust yourself so great. Shakur so great. You're able to adjust and just change things up and get through those tough moments. Because every single tough, every fighter is going through those tough moments at some stage. But let me see your heart. let me see your will to win, let me see your grit. And you don't just show all of that during the fight, you show all of that during training camp every single day.

48:16You're beating your body into submission every single day for moments like that. And that's why I trained so hard to recover from those big punches. I was definitely hurt in that fifth round, but I came back stronger in the sixth round and actually won the second half of that fight. And that's what we wanted to fight. I think you when you got hurt you like fought harder you know and I in those moments like whatever you have in you that's what's going to come out you can't fake it yeah exactly that's the thing about boxing is like it's going to reward you in the biggest moments but it's also going to expose it's going to tell on you too if you're not prepared or if you're not really like that in those tough moments it's going to show yeah but I was also very impressed with your coach Yes.

49:04Your coach, in that moment, a lot of even experienced coaches, they can panic. They can start giving you too many instructions, the wrong instructions. He was very clear. He was very concise. I never saw him get too high or too low. No. I was very impressed with him. Yeah, he's fantastic. Ross in the corner. He's absolutely brilliant. Very composed all the time and just gives you clear instructions, like I said. One or two instructions per round. very very precise instructions and even in sparring for example he's the same, he's very very good and it's amazing that even in the last fight you're looking at the difference between both coaches, sometimes in those tough moments the coach makes the difference and I'm very very grateful that, I'm going back to a fantastic coach, he has a great mindset a very smart coach and that has been the difference for me in many, many fights.

50:03I feel like for an elite athlete, like you know what to do, but you just need to be reminded of certain things. Exactly. You need that vote of confidence or that little injection of confidence that, hey, this is what we came here for. You just need those moments. Exactly. And they can obviously see something different than you can as well. And even one of my earlier fights against Natasha Jonas, I came back to him after the seven rounds, eight, nine, ten rounds. They're championship rounds for me, and I needed those three rounds. And he just looked at me and said, Katie, I was exhausted in that fight.

50:39I actually went into that fight with a torn calf. I went into the fight not sleeping. I didn't sleep great during fight week. It was a very, very... People have no idea sometimes what the fighters go through. It's tough. They haven't got a clue. And he just said, Katie, look at me. you can do this, you can do this. Just a simple encouragement like that. I went down and won the last three rounds. I needed those last three rounds to actually win the fight. It's those moments that people don't see or people don't realize. Just a simple instruction, Katie, look at me. You can do this. You can do this.

51:13And that's all I needed. Man, stay there, because I was just talking to, we were talking to, I was talking to Shakur and a few other people last night about that, about you get two weeks before the fight, you get seven days before the fight, your sleep gets disrupted. You're thinking about it in your sleep. Every waking moment is on your mind. Did you have to experience that as a fight? Was it the week of the fight? Did you lose sleep? I think every single fighter goes through a bit of a mental battle, don't you? Professional boxing is amazing because the fights are made two or three months in advance.

51:49And for those two or three months, you're just thinking about this one person every single day. day after day after day. And obviously the fight gets closer. If you're in fight week, you have all these media obligations, you have press conferences, you have weigh-ins. It's a very, very busy week. And so even the mental fatigue that you have from doing loads of interviews, people don't realise how tough that can be as well. But it's part of the sport. You've got to manage that. It's not that it's not going to happen, but it's how well you manage it. You won the first fight, obviously, 96-93, 97-93, 94-96.

52:31Anytime there's a fight like that, there's going to be controversy. You're going to have people say one thing on both sides. Were you able to enjoy the moment being at MSG, doing what you did from a numbers standpoint? Were you able to enjoy the type of fight that you put on and then the victory? Were you able to enjoy it even though there was controversy? Yeah, I don't think about the controversy, Tim. because every fighter is going to be faced with criticism. But I have very, very honest people around me, and it was very clear in my eyes that I actually wanted to fight. So I was able to enjoy it for sure.

53:06And I knew there was probably going to be a rematch. I was very happy about that as well. But I was definitely able to enjoy the fight, enjoy the experience, and look back on those moments and say, well, what an iconic moment for the sport. and won an iconic fight as well. So I definitely enjoyed that moment. Why didn't you guys do an immediate rematch? Well, I wanted to, but you can ask Serrano about that. Because I've heard you say that. Yeah, yeah. But you definitely, if you could have had it your way, you wanted to go right back? I think we signed maybe four or five different contracts over the years to fight Serrano.

53:42And we obviously fought three times now. But yeah, I would have had no problem fighting her straight away. Yeah. So you didn't do the immediate rematch. You went to defend your titles. Mm-hmm. Did you go up for Chantel's titles or did you try to defend her? No, I actually had a fight. In between. In between. And then you went to move up to try to face her. That was your first loss as a professional. Your first loss since the Olympics in 2016. How did you deal with that at that level and at that stage? Yeah, I mean, that was my home-calling fight as well. And it was at home. Yeah, so it was definitely a tough loss.

54:29But again, it wasn't a great training camp. I had that torn calf again. The same one? The same one. My manager was trying to convince me to pull out of the fight. How many weeks before did you tear to get? It was just there throughout the whole training camp. I was trying to manage it, so I wasn't able to move. But at the same time, I'm not making any excuses. You want to fight fair and square. I'm not making...

55:00That was just about the way it went. But a very, very tough loss. But I had... That fight was on a Saturday. I had the Sunday and Monday. I was back in the gym on Tuesday preparing for the rematch for that fight. and I knew it was going to be different for that rematch. You knew it. I knew it. I was so excited for that rematch. It was the longest six months ever. But you got the rematch. I got the rematch and it was a very, very clear victory for the rematch. That was in Dublin, Ireland again? That was in Dublin, Ireland again. Three arena? Yes. What is it like fighting in that arena for you? Amazing, yeah.

55:38The atmosphere again is electric. huge pressure in those fights as well. You're boxing at home. You have to perform, obviously. It's a different kind of pressure. It's a different kind of pressure. People expect you to win. Exactly, and people are turning up for you. But, yeah, it was amazing to get that rematch back. The wait was worth it. Positive affirmations and all the hard work. The keys to your dream home from the vision board have been secured. I see you. A whole new future awaits your planning. From top-notch decor, but on a budget, to the late-night backyard summer cookouts. Life feels good.

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1:01:33AT &T Arena, Dallas, Texas. Yeah, exactly. And I was saying to my manager, I really want to be on that card. Imagine being on a card with Mike Tyson. He's such an iconic figure. And he was working with MVP then to try and make that fight happen. And I got a phone call maybe a few weeks after that saying I was on the card against Amanda again. And, yeah, amazing. I couldn't believe. What kind of world are we living in, by the way? Jake Paul is fighting Mike Tyson. Who would have thought? You guys are right there, co-featured. Yeah, crazy. But live on Netflix as well. Such an amazing platform. And Netflix.

1:02:10What's the difference between, and it's not AT &T Arena, it's AT &T Stadium. but what is it like, what's the difference between like maybe, you know, an American stadium like AT &T or Wembley or the one, you know, fighting in Ireland? What does that feel like, the difference between the crowd, noise, pressure? Yeah, I mean, the pressure and the noise, I mean, the noise is obviously very, very different, but you're not really focused on that too much, aren't you? You're just focused on the actual fight. Sometimes the crowd can be so loud, but you're only focused on what's in front of you. You don't, you're not even aware.

1:02:45You hear it, but you don't. Exactly. You're not even aware of what's going on around you. But just an amazing moment, though, to be on the same card as Mike Tyson. Crazy. And all week being surrounded by Mike Tyson, every time we were walking by each other, he's like, it's us against them, it's us against them. Absolutely, Mike, it's us against them. I'm on his side, so I thought it was pretty cool. Walk me through that second fight. Another epic fight. Just back and forth, ebbs and flows. And the referee took a point for you, I think, in the ninth round or something. You think it was warranted?

1:03:21That was a crazy decision. Talk me through what you remember about that fight. Yeah, again, I thought I was landing the cleaner shots. In comparison to her pillar power punches throughout the fight. I thought it was a clear victory. And every judge had it the same way, even with that ridiculous point decision. I think it was 95, 94, three times. Exactly. But the problem with the second fight was that people were so influenced by the bias commentary, which included Amanda's Puerto Rican friend, Rosie Perez. People were so influenced by that commentary, and that made the fight controversial. But it wasn't controversial at all.

1:04:00If you watched that fight with a sound off, it was a clear victory. and so, and I actually stood the toe with a man on purpose. I wanted to show her that I could stand there and fight with her. Might not have been the smartest news, but I wanted to stand there and actually fight with her and prove that I wasn't hurt in the first fight. And it was a clear victory though. Because you have a style where you can box or you can fight. Yeah. But you have a very nice style where when you get in your rhythm, it's beautiful. The punch is coming off. The offense, defense, I really like it. But you can also toe that line too and fight punch for punch.

1:04:44And sometimes you can enjoy to fight a bit too much because you're standing toe with a person and just the physicality of it and the heart that evolves. and I actually love that type of fighting as well. But it obviously takes a lot more discipline to actually box on the outside. People don't think, they don't realize that. To use your feet and to stay disciplined. Yeah. Sometimes when I'm tired, you can take the easier option to stand there and fight. Exactly. It takes a lot more discipline, obviously, to actually stick to your boxing, move on the outside, use your jab, feint. and it's very, very difficult to keep that going for 10 rounds, but sometimes you can tend to be a bit lazy and actually just stand there and fight, but sometimes it's enjoyable as well.

1:05:35Your coach was trying, though. He kept trying to redirect you back. You got to box. We can do that, but we got to do it smart. He's always saying to me, make the fight born. Yes. Let's get out of here with the victory. Yeah, exactly. You want people to start booing during the fight because it's so easy for you. You can actually, he's saying to me throughout the whole training, you can actually win this fight easy, make the fight born. Use your legs, use your feet, use your jab. You can easily outbox her, but, yeah, thankfully I did that in the last fight. It's tough. It's tough. I mean, you guys had 74 million people watched on Netflix, most viewed women's boxing match ever, 72 ,000 in AT &T Stadium.

1:06:18Just groundbreaking stuff. trailblazing stuff that you guys did and just powerful. Yeah, no, amazing. Who would have thought? This was the first trilogy in female boxing history as well, myself and Amanda. She's also a great person, by the way, Amanda is. We're sharing history together. Our names are always going to be associated with each other. Then the last fight was obviously an all-female card. Who would have thought that women's boxing was ever going to be the place where we're holding an all-female boxing card? So a very, very special event. And to complete the first trilogy in female boxing history was incredible.

1:07:03Before we get to the third fight, what is life like? I know you're in the States now, but whether you're in the States or whether you're back home in Ireland, it's different now for you. You are Katie Taylor. You know, people are calling you an all-time great, a legend, and you keep doing greater and greater things. So how does it feel to be you getting all this attention and having all this stardom? Well, I live a very, very quiet life. I don't think in my day-to-day life has changed too much. I'm just in the gym constantly like I've always been. Like I said, I have a very quiet life. and I got married a couple of years ago.

1:07:45I have a family life now. Congrats on that. Yeah, thank you so much. And so life is pretty good. But in terms of my day-to-day, I don't really, you know, I can look back and I'd probably appreciate a lot more looking back on things now. Now that I'm at the end of my career, I can look back and appreciate headlining the Madison Square Garden. I can appreciate those moments a lot more. I think, and I'm also thinking of the word legacy a lot more as well, and open up that door for the next generation of female fighters so they can see further, they can do greater things, they can be greater than we've ever been.

1:08:25I think that's what legacy is all about, trying to open the door for these next generation of talents who can do even better things than we've ever done. I think that's what it's all about. and so I can look back with a lot of pride and the fact that I can be called a pioneer alongside the likes of Clarissa and Leila Ali. Many others, yeah. Many others were part of this pioneer class. Lucia Riker, Christy Martin, these kind of women who have done amazing things for a sport, Deirdre Golberti. Just incredible to be part of that Pioneer class. And I can look back on that with great fondness and say, I can't believe I played a nice role in this.

1:09:15And I'm definitely very, very proud of that part. Anne Wolfe is another one. She's done her thing throughout the year. Anne Wolfe, incredible, yeah, absolutely. She was a real knockout artist, wasn't she? Crazy story, man, that she's overcome too to be where she's been in life. But when you get attention, though, are you like a person like, I don't really like it, Like, I know how to flip the switch on and be polite, but I really don't like attention. Are you like that? I think people are very nice and very supportive, aren't you? I mean, I think it can make people say when you actually sit there and actually have a conversation with somebody and look them in the eye and actually ask them a few questions as well.

1:09:51But it's obviously not something that I think of too often. I'm just having a conversation with someone. I don't think of myself as any greater, better than anybody else. and just sitting there and actually conversing with someone and being interested in their lives as well. So let's get into this third fight. Leading up to the third fight, the promotion was a little bit chippier. Yeah. Because now we have two close fights. Yeah. And you have Serrano and her team saying robbery, dirty fighter. You know, she's got the backing of, you know, Jake Paul. Did that ever concern you? like his influence possibly on the judges or anything like that going into any of these second or third fights?

1:10:35It can be a concern for sure, but it's never good to focus on that thing. I can't do anything about the judges. I just have to do my job and just pray for fairness in the fight and that the right person wins the fight. But I was super excited about the final fight because I was able to remove all doubt from everybody's eyes. And I knew I could do that from boxing and not brawling. I knew my boxing ability was far superior than hers and I didn't mind making it a boring fight the last time. I was able to get on my toes and box and actually make the fight a lot easier and to remove all doubt. I wasn't as iconic or I wasn't an instant classic.

1:11:21I wasn't, you know, like the fights before, but I didn't care. I got my hand raised. You guys had already done that. You guys had 20 rounds of that already. Exactly. We already done that, like I said. And it was great to be able to complete a trilogy and to remove all doubt and also, yeah, just shut everybody up, basically. How do you, I've been called this. Like, I just interviewed Carl Fratch a couple days ago and he was saying it again. how do you feel when you hear whoever fans, media, opponents call you a dirty fighter I think you've been called that as well haven't you at this stage it's nearly a privilege isn't it we must be doing something right exactly that means does that mean that you can't bully me is that what it is or you know I don't understand if you think I'm a dirty fighter make the fight dirty yourself do something about it it's a boxing match Exactly.

1:12:21Don't be complaining about it or whining about it. You have to do something about it. There's never been a case in my whole career where I've complained to the referee about something. If I think someone is going to be a dirty fighter, you treat that fighter in the same way. I'm going to be dirty back. This is the fight game at the end of the day. So you're not going to be able to bully me. That's for sure. If you want to call me a dirty fighter, fair enough. So it's ridiculous. All the accusations were ridiculous throughout the last fight especially. And I did speak up a small bit in the press conferences, but probably for the first time I'm usually very, very quiet.

1:13:03I never usually say much, but this time I just had to shut them up a small bit. At times it was like a circus of delusions sometimes, dealing with the other side, but who cares at the end of the day. Nobody remembers. Nobody remembers that. If you win, nobody remembers. But I was going to ask you about that. So in the press conference, she comes there with that headgear on, right? She's, you know, doing her thing. But I saw the switch that I talked about earlier for you, I saw that switch flipped on, where I was like, oh, Katie's responding differently than I've ever heard. You were more direct.

1:13:44I just heard you speak up more than you normally have, to your point. You felt like you had to do that just based on some of the things that were being said about you? I think so. I just had to, I guess, put them in their place as small. But sometimes there's a time to stay silent and there's a time to speak. And I just felt like this is my time to speak now. I'm not going to let you guys throw these accusations without me giving you what I think. And even about the treatment of rounds and about this. You're not in a position to dictate anything. I'm the champion here. They're not. and even about the head clashes.

1:14:23Yeah, I went in. I also got cut in that fight. It wasn't obviously as bad as her cut, but her head also hurt my head. It's not a... And sometimes that happens against a southpaw fighter. You know, that's just the way it is. But it was nice to be able to speak up and put her in her place as well. How do you feel about that overall, just the 10 two-minute rounds versus maybe 10 three? Like some women are like, we want to fight three minutes. And then for the third fight, you're like, no, we're going to keep it where it is. Like, where are you at with that? Three minutes, two minutes, or should women just be able to choose?

1:15:03Yeah, I'm not convinced yet that it's a good idea for the three minutes. First of all, we still get paid much less than a man. So we're asked to work harder and risk much more, even less pay. and I think one of the biggest arguments is that you'll see more knockouts but I don't think that would be the case. Yeah, I thought that too. So maybe when you have an up-and-coming fighter against a journey fighter who's there to be knocked out but is that what we want? Our records feel with meaningless knockouts. I don't think that does a sport any justice and I don't think we will see more knockouts in proper competitive fights and the few fights I have seen with treatment rounds they've actually been quite boring to watch.

1:15:48And I think one of the reasons I've been involved in so many exciting fights is because of the sheer pace and the sheer total action. Two minutes. Which is made possible because of the two-minute rounds. So the urgency to go. Exactly. It's a different fight. You have to... Just the sheer pace alone is very, very exciting to watch. And I will likely change my mind if the pay is better. You will see more knockouts. and if the fights weren't born. But right now, I think it's something worth keeping in the CML game. What do you think about it? I feel like the women should have a choice if they want to have a choice.

1:16:27You know, boxing as long as I have, I do a different type of math. I'm thinking about that's more punches that both fighters are taking. Yeah. You know, and if the pay isn't equal, why would you do that? But I do respect the women that want to do it, but I respect the ones that have the opinion like you. So I just think if both fighters agree, give them the option. But if they don't want to, then, you know, they shouldn't be forced to or feel like there's something wrong with their fight because it's only two minutes. But it is. It's less pay and there's more punishment you're taking. And the women are used to fighting, too, so the pace will slow down.

1:17:02Yeah, exactly. So I'm kind of torn on it, but I probably feel more the way you do than any other opinion. This is a, like, never fought a trilogy, but in rematches and in trilogies, it's all about adjustments. You knew that you could have fought a different fight the first two fights, but you had a point to prove. But you made those adjustments in the third fight. MSG, I mean, you know, the Puerto Rican fans were out, the Irish fans were out. I mean, it was electric. Called that fight ringside for Netflix. And, I mean, I was just looking up at the crowd before you guys came out, and it was just, it was electric.

1:17:41Like, it was an all-time great, like, moment and scene. It felt like something out of a movie when you watch a boxing movie. Yeah, yeah. And it's like they're trying to make the fight big. Like, that's what that was. But you came in there, and you fought a different fight. Talk to me about the adjustments you made and why you were able to stay disciplined for the third fight and not get drawn into the same type of fight. Yeah, like you said, it is all about adjustments, isn't it, in the rematches and for the... I always laugh at my coach now, Ross, I'm always saying I actually finally did what I was told to do.

1:18:16The coach was like, thank you. Yeah, exactly. I actually stuck to my boxing and this is something that we were preparing for all of all-trail camp. Really? Just staying disciplined. Even in a sparring session when you're tired, you have to stay disciplined and you can have a tendency sometimes just to be lazy in the spars and whatever, I'm just going to stand here and fight today. But I was actually switched on a bit more during this training camp and I was actually being a bit more disciplined even in the spars. I'm going to continue to move my legs. I'm going to continue to faint and stay disciplined.

1:18:52And that's obviously how you prepare for these fights. And yeah, so I'm so happy that I was able to showcase that. And I heard the crowd be doing during one of the rounds. I was like, yes, it's actually working. Yeah, but they don't have a right to boo, given what you guys have already given. And it wasn't a boring fight to me. It was a different fight. It wasn't a boring fight. And it was cool seeing those adjustments, knowing what the first 20 rounds were. Yeah, exactly. It's like, wow, they have more in their bag. They can actually do something different. So that was powerful for me to see that adjustment, knowing the history, knowing the things that were said, going into the third fight.

1:19:33Like, as a fighter, you want to fight. and shut the other person up and prove something. But I respected that you proved it in a different way. Yeah, absolutely. And I was able to stick to the game plan very, very well. I stick to keep my job going. It was a very, very cagey fight. Nothing much happened, really. No big punches really landed during the last fight. But I think everybody knew that it was a clear victory. Yeah, there was no hospital visits. My head's not hurting for the next week. Like, you know, it's a good night. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, exactly. You're getting out of the ring untouched and still getting paid.

1:20:11I like those nights. Yeah, exactly. Those are good nights. Exactly. Did Amanda say anything to you after the fight? Did you guys have conversation? Like any real conversation? Not really. We have a lot of respect towards each other. You believe that as genuine respect? I think so, yeah. I think it's quite mutual. Like I said, we share a piece of history together. And I'm very, very grateful for Amanda to have someone like that in my ear to share these big moments with. Yeah, very, very grateful. And like I said, our names are always going to be, I guess, a match for each other throughout history.

1:20:49Yeah. This is my last one for you. You know, you said it earlier that this is the end of your career or it's getting to the end of your career. We just talked about it earlier as well. You've been doing this since you've been a kid. Yeah. Very, very driven person. Fighters, when they fight, they have a mission. Like, it's always a mission. It's something next. Okay, I did that. Now here's the next mission. And that helps you to keep the fire burning. That fire's not going to go away when you retire. No. So what have you been thinking about that? And what are your plans to, like, feed that fire?

1:21:32and still be Katie Taylor but not be a professional fighter anymore. How do you think you're going to deal with that? I think I'm going to deal with it very well. Actually, I think I'm very excited about this side of my career also, this season of my life. The thoughts of not getting punched in the face again is very nice to have to put your body through torture for months and months for training camp. But like I said, the drive is still there and I'm still going to be in the gym every day training. Wow. Yeah, so I still love to stay fit. I still love the gym. Yeah. So you're not going to be one of those fighters that we see?

1:22:11I don't think so. In six years, 50 pounds overweight? No, definitely not. Yeah? I'm not going to be like, I hope not anyway. Yeah, yeah. I love the feeling of being fit and being in shape. And I'm just going to enjoy life, enjoy the fruits of my labor. and I don't know where my life is going to be. I don't know what I'm going to do. I think it would be strange to separate from the sport altogether. I think I'd love to stay involved in some way. I'm not sure what that's going to look like right now, but I would still love to stay involved in some way because this has been my life since I was a 9 or 10-year-old.

1:22:51What about yourself? How do you keep yourself? You've obviously had this podcast going for the last couple of years. For me, it's been interesting. You know, I think retirement has been one of the greatest things that I've experienced, but it's been also very tough because I'm also very driven. I also have a fire. But I think, number one, my relationship with God, like knowing that boxing is like not my full identity. Yeah, exactly. There's other things that God has me doing. and I've just learned to take that same drive, that same work ethic, the same mental lock-in that I get and just apply it to other things.

1:23:31My family, my relationships, business ventures, you know, stuff like that. So that's been very, very helpful for me. And then, like you said, staying close to the sport. So like commentating, mentoring young fighters, that feeds me. Yeah, yeah. So I'm not getting in there anymore, but I'm close enough now. I'm not taking any more punches. Yeah, yeah. But I'm close enough where it still feeds me and it satisfies me. And then the other thing is, you know, like you said about legacy, like, there's not a lot of fighters that walked away on their own terms. Yeah. And when I was young coming up, I would look for them like, man, is he going to do it?

1:24:05Yeah, yeah. Is he going to do it? And my coach, he said, baby, it's just not a lot of, he said, there's not a lot of fighters that did it, but you're going to be one of them. And I just want to stay true to that. I want to be one of the ones that fighters can look to and say, man, I want to try to do it like you did. Yeah, absolutely. Because I remember you speaking about Rye Jones before and saying he went too far. And it's tough to see. It is tough to see because Rye Jones could have been considered the greatest of all time. But when he took the... Which fight did he take? He took a few, yeah.

1:24:37A few, yeah, yeah. But yeah, I definitely want to be one of those fighters where I get out of the sport on top of my game. and yeah but like that I'm very very excited about this aspect of my life as well and like I said my relationship with God is everything and I think if you're building your life on accolades and achievements you'll soon find out that's not a strong enough foundation to build your life on so I'm very very grateful that I have this relationship with God and that's basically my whole life and you're going to church, you're hearing the word of God, you know that my identity is in, I'm actually a daughter of the Most High, the King of Kings, the Lord of Lords, and I'm his kid, and that's my identity.

1:25:29And it helps you make sense of everything, doesn't it? It helps you make sense of the world, and it helps you to know the limits of success as well. It's not everything it's all. There's so much more to this life and this world. And like I said, it is a worldview. You view the world through the lens that God is real, that Jesus is a real historical figure who lived, who breathed, died, and rose again. And that's an amazing foundation to live your life on. And I'm so grateful for this relationship I have with him. It's powerful stuff. But one more question. I'm glad you reminded me of this how have you balanced faith in boxing people outside of boxing they're like how can you be a believer but yet you hit people and I've tried to explain it to them but how have you balanced faith but also being a warrior well I believe that this is a gift that God has given me and so and that's where my motivation comes from as well I've always had a deep conviction probably instilled by my parents you only get one shot on this side of eternity and you want to make your life count not for achievements or accolades but because I'm a healthy, fortunate woman with gifts and talents and like I said earlier on it would be an insult to God to sit back and be lazy with the gifts they've given you and so I don't know about everybody else but I'm going to make this life count and it's a sport.

1:27:08It's a very rough sport, but I love it. I love this journey. I love what it teaches you and the sacrifices that you need, the character it builds. You read the Word of God and look at the life of David, for example. Look at the life of these amazing disciples. They're just, they're hardcore, they're excellent and willing to die for what they believe. Willing to die for, absolutely. And it's so inspiring to read about those stories as well. And I get strength from that. And one of my favorite scriptures is Psalm 18. This is the psalm that I read on my boxing year. It's one of David's psalms. David's one of my favorites in the Bible.

1:27:55He's known to be a man after God's own heart. But I also love his warrior's heart, his warrior's spirit. And God who arms his strength, He makes my way perfect. He makes my feet like the feet of the air. He trains my hands for battle. My arms can bend above bronze. You give me a shield of victory and your right hand sustains me. And you stoop down to make me great. And I first read that psalm as a 17-year-old. And my tears were rolled down my face as I was reading. And it just really resonated with me that God can stoop down to make you great. And I just really felt like God was giving me a platform to display my gift.

1:28:33and I think it's important to God what you do with the gifts that he's given you. And he wants you to excel. He wants you to work hard. And, yeah, I want to live for him. Man, that's powerful. That's powerful. I'm getting goosebumps. It's powerful. Champ, you've earned the right to do whatever you want to do next. We'll be watching. We'll be supporting you. And, you know, boxing is just a small part of your life, too. You know, once boxing ends, the next phase is going to begin, and that's when it's going to get fun. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much. You've already had impact, but it's going to be impact in a different way now.

1:29:19Yeah. So continue to stay faithful to God. Continue to stay faithful to your beliefs, man, and great things up ahead. Yeah, thank you so much. I appreciate you. Yeah, thank you. Thank you so much. Thank you so much.

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