RING IV: Boxing’s Most Stacked Lineup of the Year + Mayweather–Pacquiao II On The Way?

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2:23What up, this is your boy, Roy Jones. I'm hanging out with my man, Andre Ward. We two Hall of Famers will bring y 'all a show called The Hall of Game. A show where we discuss boxing, sports, life, and entertainment from our view. How much better than that can you get? Me and Roy don't always agree. But one thing you will get is a Hall of Fame worth the game. I want to welcome to the show a young man who was a five-time two-division world champion, former undisputed world champion, and a man who was looking to become a six-time three-division world champion, November 22nd against Brian Norman. I want to welcome to the show Devin DeDream Haney.

3:05Yes, sir. Thank y 'all for having me. You knew it. Man, brother, I appreciate you coming in and tapping in with us for a little bit. I know you're in the middle of training. How you feeling for this camp? Every camp is the same, but also different. Yeah, no, I feel great in this camp. Obviously, I went up in weight, so I'm feeling much more healthier, much more stronger, much more comfortable, more of my natural self. I'm very happy with the way that this camp has done. All the hard work is put in. I'm satisfied with the work I put in over these months. I trust in the work. I trust in my team.

3:34And now I just got to go in there and execute. As your mindset shifted, as you get deeper into camp, you start camp one way. But as you really get into it, as your mindset shifted, do you feel mean or do you feel more confident? You feel like, man, I'm ready. Yeah, I'm definitely a lot more meaner. But, you know, it just comes with it. You know, being locked in, you know, it's so much at stake. And I just want to go in there and put on a great performance, execute my game plan. So, you know, I'm making sure that everything is on point. Everybody around me is on point. And I'm not taking no point right now.

4:12Man, I feel it. And I've also seen you move camp a lot. You've got Denver, high altitude, LA, New York, now Saudi. Why a lot of movement in camp? I went to Denver for the high elevation. And then I went back to Los Angeles for my body to recover from training at the high elevation. I went back down to sea level. And then I went to New York just to break up the long flight from LA all the way to Saudi. So I didn't want to just fly all those hours straight. So I wanted to break it up a little bit. And I knocked out some media while I was there as well. You feel like this weight cut, not having to cut so much weight, you feel like that's going to be impactful here during this fight?

4:53Yeah, I mean, in my past performances, I think that I was handicapping myself. People say this weight bully stuff. I don't really believe in that because I think that I was hurting myself more than helping myself at those weight classes. And I was only staying there because it was just so much at stake. you know um fighting loma and then you know going up and then defending you know making a big fight versus ryan so you know i was staying at them weight classes for for a reason but i think that i should have been at 147 a while ago but you know god is a perfect planner and uh here i am that's awesome yeah we talk about this stuff a lot man that that weight bully stuff i don't believe in it either you know people people get it twisted they think you could just push a button and just be the bigger fighter they don't realize that that the that the bigger fighter is a guy that's losing more weight and he's got to deal with more on fight night because he drained himself more so people don't really understand that yeah i mean and and i think that that's that that that's that that would be the case um in this fight i think that uh you know brian has been at 147 his whole career you know since since he since he turned pro and um i think that he's going to be more on you know the the he's going to be more focused on cutting weight and which which obviously, you know, is boxing.

6:13He's been doing it for a while. But I just think that going into this fight, he is going to be the one more focused on weight. And I mean... So as far as experience, do you feel like your experience is going to play a major role in this fight at all? Yeah, I mean, experience is... It matters at the end of the day. You know, we can all say that, you know, it doesn't. But, you know, experience matters. You know, not only just in the actual fight, but just, you know, leading up to the fight, You know, I'm here in Saudi Arabia. I've been here for eight days now. You know, Brian Norman is still not here.

6:45But, you know, it just comes with, you know, being in big fights, you know, fighting overseas, knowing that, you know, you got to get there to acclimate, to get used to the time. Just, you know, those little things matter, you know, and it just comes with experience. And at the end of the day, you can say what you want. You know, I've been in these big moments before. I know I know what to do. so you think the experience factor may be one of the biggest keys in the fight what you think yeah i mean i think that um you know i think that skills play the bills obviously but i think that that you know experience does play you know a big key in this fight you know on top of everything i think everything matters you know skills experience weight cuts all these things you know all these things matter and uh you know i'm just trying to you know get as much of an edge with everything as as I possibly can.

7:35Very smart. How have you been handling, Bev, just, you know, after the fight, the Ramirez fight, and even at camp, right? Because people still talking. How have you handled the noise around that fight? And how do you look at that fight looking back? I looked at it like that's a guy who went through a tough fight against, you know, Ryan Garcia, and you still got some residue and you still trying to figure it out. I've been there, Roy been there. That's what I looked at it as. But how do you, what is your takeaway from that fight being so far removed from it? No matter what, it's all noise. You know, rather they saying that, you know, I put on a great performance and I did what I was supposed to, or they saying that I ran or I didn't put on the best performance.

8:13You know, at the end of the day, it's all noise. And it's the same. Rather they saying good things or they saying bad things, it's noise. I can't focus too much on it. That's one fight. And now I got to focus on this fight. What I did in the Loma fight, it don't matter in this fight. I can't take that with me. You know, what I did in the Ryan fight, I can't take that with me. What I did in the Ramirez fight, I can't take that with me. I got to perform on November 22nd. And that's just my main focus on performing. Is it real bad blood between the Haney's and the Normans? It's been a lot of talk.

8:43Is it just building the fight and just competitiveness because we getting ready to get it in? Or do y 'all really not like each other? It don't matter to me. At the end of the day, he can say what he want to say. I'm just going to go in there and do what I'm going to do regardless. He can do whatever he's going to do regardless. He can go in there and try to execute his game plan. And I'm going to do the same thing. So it don't really matter. I don't really pay attention to, you know, what goes on outside the ring, because when I get there, it just doesn't matter to me. Like, I don't even think about that type of shit.

9:09So it don't it don't matter. So to build up pops going back and forth, his pops talking, you can you can engage in it. But you saying when you step through the ropes, that's no longer an issue. Yeah, I mean, it's just I've been doing this for a long time now. And, you know, I've I've had a lot of back and forth in the sport. and for not getting a ring, it just don't matter. You can go in there, you can say what you want to Lomachenko. He don't even understand you. So it don't matter. These things do not matter at this top level. So it doesn't matter. He understood that damn push. I bet you that.

9:47Right, right. Let me ask you a question about Turkey. It seems from afar that you got a good relationship with him. It's a man that shook up the game. He's bringing a lot of money and capital to the game, and he's putting on big fights. What has been your relationship with Turkey Alashik since he's been in the game? We got a good relationship because, you know, I'm not the type of fighter that's looking for the easy fights or, you know, I'm looking to just get some easy money. I'm looking to fight the best fighters in the world. So I think that he respects me for that. You know, a lot of these guys, they're trying to pick and choose and trying to, you know, just trying to milk the game.

10:21But, you know, I want to fight the best fighters in the world. I want to prove that I'm the best. So I think he just ain't got no choice but to respect it. And I respect you for that because I've been respecting you for that since you went over to Australia and took the belts from the Australian at such a young age. So I do respect you for that, and I respect you for taking on challenges like a brand normal because you didn't have to do that, but you're doing it. So you are proving that you're trying to bring the old-school style back, the best fight the best, and you want to be the best. So that says a lot, and I do respect you for that.

10:50Thank you. Now, they say when you're dealing with Turkey, it ain't really a lot of negotiation. He normally bring a number that's hard to say no to. And then it's a quick transaction and y 'all move on. Is that true? Yeah, I mean, I'm happy. I'm happy with everything, the business part of it. But like I said, none of that matters. The only thing that matters is going in there and winning on November 22nd and looking good doing it. The business is already taken care of. All that is behind me. now the business in the ring is what i need to take care of now how has it been having mickey bay back in camp man that's that's my olympic teammate good brother of mine great trainer how's it been having mick back in camp with you yeah no it's good um you know we come from the same teachings of floyd senior so um it's good to to to have him you know back in camp and uh like i said i'm happy with the way the camp is going um and i'm ready you feel different dev at at this higher weight you feel different physically your punch yeah physicality i think uh i feel i feel better um you know my i'm punching harder i'm sharper mentally um i think my punch resistance would be a lot better um i just think that i'm just i'm just more of my more of my natural self i think that you know i would be in camp and i would be super super duper sharp and then um you know the weight would you know handicap me and i would i wouldn't be the same me on fight night that I would be in the gym.

12:17Right now, I'm normal. I'm the same. It's insane. I'm still, you know, it's no different. Deb, without giving up too much, in your mind, when you play this fight, because I know you've played it in your mind hundreds of times, how does this fight play out? I think people are going to be very surprised with how I beat this guy. I don't want to give away too much, but I'm going to beat him. I'm going to beat him all around the board. I think they're going to be surprised. they're gonna be surprised for sure i know that it's not even i don't think i know they're gonna be surprised because i'm just all around complete fighter and i want to show that i'm gonna fight when i want to fight i'm gonna box when i want to box i'm gonna do what i want on november 22nd and he's not gonna be able to stop it i could tell him what i'm gonna do and he's not gonna be able to stop it sound like you ready to fight good brother i appreciate the time man we wanted to get you out of here on time and uh thank you for stopping by for a few minutes on the hall of game I want to welcome to the Hall of Game a young man who quickly became the best prospect in the sport of boxing now he's a top contender in the sport of boxing now he's trying to become the best fighter in the sport of boxing I want to welcome to the show Cleveland's Own, Abdullah Mason Abdullah, I appreciate you taking the time I know you at camp, brother but thank you for taking some time with us today I appreciate y 'all for having me on here it's amazing to be able to be on this podcast with you and Roy you know thank you the wait was worth it positive affirmations and all the hard work the keys to your dream home from the vision board have been secured i see you a whole new future awaits your planning from top-notch decor but on a budget to the late night backyard summer cookouts life feels good now comes time to fill it with memories what will you host first maybe a movie night game night stories that make us laugh in space tournaments that make us cry first you need to get movers and new furniture and what about party favors will there be a theme of course it's a theme because you're always doing the most oh yeah the food to cook or to order out don't forget to put it in the group chat so everyone can already see who all gonna be there all the planning can be stressful but ensuring your home shouldn't be and that's where state farm comes in because state farm agents can help you choose the coverage you need just call go online or check out the app any agent is ready to help so you can focus on showing off your new home if you know you know Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there.

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17:08But everything is kind of more the same. Every time I fight is like another step closer, every fight is my biggest fight from from the moment I turn pro until now. Every fight has been like my biggest fight. So I think this is going to be the same thing. But the main takeaway is just staying focused, just like every other fight, not doing nothing different. Because with the same focus and the right preparation, you know, everything, you know, turned out how it's supposed to turn out. I'm going to get one more and I'm going to let Roy jump in. Sam Noakes is in a similar position as you, but in the UK.

17:38Prospect, now contender. He's got a lot of excitement where he's from. When did you first start getting wind of Sam Noakes, possible WBO title fight? When did you first start hearing about this title fight? I started hearing about this, the fight week of my last fight. So the last fight, you know, I don't remember if it was right after or right before, but fight week, I know that he was ranked number two in a division. I was ranked number one in the division. And then you had the title holder. So now I'm ranked number one. He's ranked number two. And the title was up for grabs. It's only right.

18:10That's good. So when you rate yourself amongst the top guys around that weight class right now, how do you see yourself? Do you see yourself at the top of it? Number two, number three. how you feel about it oh absolutely um as far as all the active fighters you know in in my division i feel like i am you know the top of my division so we just got to keep fighting and keep proving that you know what time is going to show after you win this title this will be your first title and for me that was my best my favorite accomplishment was becoming world champion but after that i quickly wanted to be the best in my weight division and only way you can prove that Canada is by going and collecting all the other titles if they're available.

18:49So if that's a possibility, who would you take next? I don't know who I'll take next. But right now, you know, this puts me in the position to be able to face those other title holders. But the first thing's first is to grab my world title and then, you know, go back in there with the team and, you know, figure it all out from there. Awesome. Now, maybe I may come out here and ask you some more questions about how you did it yourself. I'm always here to answer. Abdullah, when you see Sam Nook, when you first turn on his fights, what do you see? What jumps out at you about him? Durable. He liked to punch.

19:21When I say that, I mean he liked to put his power behind his punches. He liked to come forward and let his hands go. He's definitely durable. He walked through some punches that I've seen, some other fighters touching him. He'd get hit with some clean stuff, but he's pretty durable. And when he let his go, he liked to shoot with his power. You faced some adversity. Some would say, well, you know, Mason has only gone six rounds. Now he's going 12 rounds. How is he going to fare if it's a tough fight for a 12-round duration? But you have faced some adversity against Johan Vasquez. And, bro, that was a crazy, crazy fight.

19:57Crazy round and a half or two rounds. Take me back to that moment where you're in the corner in the first round and you actually were defensively sound. you talked about before the fight landing the uppercut because Vasquez you know leans over his feet a lot and he kind of lunges and that's that's one to me in my opinion one of your best punches you throw is that left uppercut you were trying to land that you actually had your hand up you actually were doing the right thing but somehow his wild left hook snuck through and hits you on the chin down goes Mason when you hit the canvas what are you thinking at that moment that's me being a fighter in there you know at the level that i'm at you know and uh what everybody see for me it was definitely shocking like you know standing up from that and a ref counting like whoa the ref he actually counting you know not for him but i'm down i don't know that right right yeah it was definitely even another you know realization of where i'm at like you know as far as you know what i'm ready for in a pros you know the preparation that we go through for that to happened to me to come back the way I did you know and get him out of there in the next round you know it just lets me know that everything we're doing is right so we just got to make sure we stay and focus on it and we still learn as we go but you didn't just get him out of there in the next round you dropped him shortly after you got dropped then he dropped you again right and then you got him out of there in the next round brother like that's probably one of the worst things that can happen to a young prospect but yet one of the best things that can happen to a young prospect all at the same time.

21:31Is that how you and your father and your team took that when it was all said and done? Yeah, when it was all said and done, it was definitely something that added. It added more to my game than anything. You know, that's something you got to bounce back and come crazy off of. And that's what I did, not just during a fight, but in the coming fights after that. The main takeaway was just make sure I'm listening to my corner. You know, the main thing that they've been telling me was, you know, watch your opponent, slow it down, keep your eyes on them. And that's the main thing I just had to do then.

21:57And so it just put me in position to remember that for the rest of my fights and all the fights to come. I just thought that was a great experience for you. To have that experience early before you even get a title shot makes it good. Because now you know what that is if you have to face it again. So I think that was a brilliant move. What guys fail to realize is that the better you pick your opponents, the better they're going to have you prepared for when this opportunity comes. So I think that was a great preparation for what you're about to face now. Because now most guys don't deal with it until they've got to build around their waist.

22:27you dealt with a lot of it so you know what to expect so that's a beautiful thing i think yeah i agree with that you don't know what you have until it's tested you can think that you're him you can think that you know i can walk through anything i've done this in a gym as y 'all know gym is a lot different than a real fight under the light small gloves no head gear obviously it's not scripted anything can happen so i think that that is on paper boxing people look at that like oh there's a question mark they start having a chin question and they don't realize that anybody can go down if you get touched right on that chin or get touched right on the temple or wherever but the response that you had that's championship caliber type of stuff in here and in here and i agree with roy that that's that's one of the best things that could have happened to you going into a fight with a guy like notes who you know can punch and it's going be very, very durable.

23:21So I think that came right on time. Absolutely. Tell me this champ. I know you have your brothers in camp. I know you have your father in camp, who's the head of everything. What's the average day for y 'all in training camp? Who decides the schedule? How many rounds you you spar? How many miles you run? Everybody puts in on it. You know, everybody pushes me, you know, in training camp. So I would say we have like a, we would have like a regular program. And one day somebody might ask them, yo, let's do this today. And you know, we do that. I'd be like, all right let's let's go ahead with that and you know but everybody adds in a they two cents and even me i push myself in training camp you know sometimes i might go a few extra rounds or whatever but um it all comes together because i have them and they see what they see and i see what i see you know i feel the way i feel we all kind of know what pushes me and what makes me feel better so we all just kind of just it's it's a few different eyes you know i got four or five different pairs of eyes looking at one person so that's right you know it's definitely a plus are you a mean guy in camp i used to get mean i used to not every day days with jay don't want to talk today like are you a guy that's like that are you happy and can't what type of person are you in training camp in training camp it's pretty much the same person but um sometimes when i start my boxing workouts it you know uh i lock in a little more you've also not only had in-ring experience but you spar with a lot of tough guys, champions and his whispers in the boxing game.

24:48And, you know, man, Abdullah, man, he sparred so-and-so, man. And guess what happened? Oh yeah? What's some of the best work that you've had when you got out of the ring and you was like, man, that was good work? Off the top, I would say Tony Harrison. He was great work. I was in there with him for a few training camps and he gave me exactly what I needed. But I didn't spar too many world champions like that. You know, as everybody knows, I was in camp with Shakur. That's before I turned pro. And then I sparred Haney once and a few other pros. Like in the beginning, when I kind of first started entering the pro scene.

25:20So for me, it kind of just more solidified where I am in my career, right? With the skill set that I had and where I could go. You know, being in the ring, sharing the ring with them. I kind of seen the level that I was at. I'm like, okay, yeah, I can take this pretty far. Well, I'm not going to share no intimate details, but I will say this. I've heard that you are not a guy that takes it easy in sparring. You're a guy that gets to it, and, you know, you give just as much as you get, man. So, brother, we're excited about this fight coming up. We really appreciate you taking the time out to spend some time on the Hall of Game.

25:56We're excited to talk to you after the fight because, you know, it's going to be a little bit different when you get that strap. You're going to be moving a little bit different. You're going to be sounding a little bit different. and you're going to be feeling a little bit different. So we want to tap in with you at that time, brother. Thank you so much. Send love to the family. Send love to your brothers and your father, man. Thank you so much. Absolutely. Thank y 'all for having me on. We're going to have a lot of fun. It is. We're going to have a lot of fun. It is. November 22nd. It's around the corner.

26:18Yes, sir. Bro, that was a great interview with Abdullah Mason. I'm excited about this fight, his title fight. It's always a beautiful thing to see a young guy like him. He's a blue chip type of guy who has star qualities getting that first shot. but I want to shift gears. I want to talk about something that seems to be more than a rumor. It's been confirmed even by Manny Pacquiao, but it's been confirmed by, by many credible sources that a potential Floyd Mayweather, Manny Pacquiao rematch is on the horizon. Floyd Mayweather is 48 years old. Manny Pacquiao is 46 years old. And when I interviewed Manny on the art of ward in a summer this year, I asked Manny about Floyd Mayweather, and it seemed like he still wanted a lot of smoke with Floyd.

27:09Like there was unfinished business. And initially Floyd came out and said, no, it's not going to happen. But you know how it works with the money, man. And you know how it works with most fighters. If the right network gets involved, if the right numbers start to get talked about, all of a sudden something that didn't make sense starts to make a lot of sense. So what's your read or your take or your feel about a potential Manny Pacquiao, Floyd Mayweather, two at this stage in their lives at 48 and 46 years old? Like you just said, if it makes dollars, it makes sense. You saw what Mike Tyson did at 58 with Jake Paul.

27:50It made sense, which made dollars. So this fight will make dollars, so it makes sense. That's how I see it. But the actual fight, do we get a better fight because the fighters are older and I'm not moving as much and we got to stay in this phone booth more? How do you see a rematch playing out now? Yeah, I think we get a little bit of a better fight. It's kind of hard to say because Floyd always stays in pretty good shape himself. Manny got in pretty good shape for his last fight, so we make it a little bit more of an interesting fight because of the fact that everybody can't move like they used to.

28:25but outcome probably should still be the same now the fight is is rumored to be somewhere around april it's all rumors at this point nothing is is concrete potentially at the sphere this would be the first boxing match at the sphere and netflix is reportedly involved i think that would be amazing i think everybody including floyd may with them any pack y 'all have seen how pay-per-view is dying or that's a um you know that's a format that that that is dying so to speak and the streaming service the broader audience like a netflix can put you in front of more households casual fans and hardcore fans alike many pacquiao and floyd mayweather initially fought in 2015 now that's a fight that that many felt was long overdue it was many said that it came too late.

29:19It was the fight of the century. Showtime had to come together with HBO. I think the only other time that happened is when Mike Tyson either fought Lennox. Was it Lennox? That was Lennox Lewis. The only other time that I'm aware that this has happened with HBO and Showtime was with rival networks is Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis. And to your point and to my point, again, if it makes dollars, it makes sense. So don't tell me that we hate each other so much that we can't come to the table. many Pacquiao Floyd Mayweather happened in 2015 I'm not of the mind that it happened too late we just had a dollars and cents conversation when the fight was initially brought up the numbers that they were talking and the money that was available was far less than they made in 2015 is it prize fighting or is it prize fighting if i can make 100 or 150 floyd may with is rumored to have made between 250 and 300 manny pacquiao maybe 150 to 200 maybe that's a 40 to 80 million conversation and a 30 to 60 million conversation for manny pacquiao because floyd got the lion's share i believe it was somewhere around 60 40 i think the fight happened when it was supposed to happen?

30:36What say you, Roy? For the prize, yeah, I think it happened when it was supposed to happen for the prize, but for the legacy, no, it happened five years too late. Just as simple as that. But like I said, he is money made whether he ain't fighting for the legacy, he's fighting for the prize. And he said that himself. So I understand that. And I respect that because he did tell the truth about that. Anytime a man can tell the truth about that himself, I got to respect that. He said he didn't fight for legacy, he fought for currency. And he did the right thing if that was the case because that's what my argument was to me was I said, I could have never done that because I was too crazy about legacy.