Roy Jones Calls Ryan Garcia “The New Canelo”, Fury vs. AJ News & Crawford Faces the Boots Noise

24:08But just for the record because I don't know who won the amateur fights between him and Shakur? Shakur Stevenson, Ryan Garcia fought one time. Shakur came out on top. That's what I wanted to know. And Devin Haney and Ryan Garcia, I believe, six times. Fought six times, yeah. 3-3, yes. So, it's a lot of smoke that still needs to be had. And I don't know why some of these fights are not getting made. I don't understand it. Like, I understand it, but I don't understand it. Like, sometimes... He can't fight everybody at one time. You gotta fight them one at a time. Ryan. So if he fight Pitbull next, that's totally understandable.

24:45The other fights, you got to understand that some guys play the Sugar Ray Leonard game. They play the weight game. If you're not here or I'm too light, like you said, like Triple G did with you, eight pounds is too much, but you're telling me how great he is. You understand me? I mean, it's just hard for me because I don't understand that. When I want to fight somebody, I don't give a damn on what they weighed. It's not even just a pound. It's you. You said out your mouth. You feel me? I'm going to go to this weight class. I don't care who it is. If he good, y 'all think he good. But the wrong guy picked up the phone.

25:18Well, it happens. So. The wrong guy picked up the phone. Said, okay, really? The wrong guy shouldn't pick up the phone. And then they hung up the phone. Exactly. So if you're going to go to that weight class, oh, you trying to do it. Yeah, yeah. So what they probably, if they say that, they should. You're right. They should have, they should have meant that. You understand where I'm coming from? So if you're going to say that, you should have meant that. You didn't mean what you said. And that's why I'm saying if you don't mean what you're saying, shut up. You ain't got to say it. Shut up. You feel me?

25:43When I was in my prime, I gave my phone number. I don't care who it was. Y 'all call. Don't even call my manager. I'm a promoter. Call me. We're going to wait to have. You feel me? Holler at me. But I want to actually get into the Ryan Garcia-Connor-Benn fight. He defended the WBC welterweight title against Great Britain's Connor-Benn September 12, a few weekends ago at T-Mobile Arena, a packed arena, a very lively promotion for the fight. Both guys talk. Both guys have a big following. And a lot was made about how big Conor Ben gets in between fights. And to me, I don't understand why the weight bully conversation is as big as it is.

26:33And last September 12th in that T-Mobile arena between Ryan Garcia and Conor Ben, that proves the point that I'm trying to make. Conor Ben does a lot of scale photos and a lot of flexing and a lot of different things talking about how big his weight is. That is not a flex. You being 20, 25, 30 pounds overweight, all that means is you're going to have a harder weight cut. You're going to shock your body when your body should just be prepared to go to war and your body should just only have to focus on taking the punches, delivering the punches and making sure that the conditioning is where it needs to be.

27:14That's it. The body's in survival mode, trying to understand what just happened. We just dropped 30 pounds over a 12-week period and you were just 10 pounds over in a 24-hour period. You just put that back. Then you want me to go perform the next night and be at my optimum. These big weight cuts are not a flex. I don't know who started the weight bully conversation as if it's a flex, as if it is a built-in advantage that you're guaranteed to win by. And we saw in the fight with Conor Benn and Ryan Garcia that you can get clipped on your chin, you can get hit in the body, You can get touched on the temple and everything can be over in a matter of seconds.

27:55And then you can go back to being big again because the fight is over before you even had a chance to show what you got. Counterband is historically big in between fights. And don't talk to me about the rebound either. If you rebound 20, 25 pounds the night of, I think Ryan Garcia, if the weight was true, the night of, he was only a couple pounds over the 147 pound limit. If you know how to fight, if you got a brain in there and you know how to use it and you got an IQ, I ain't saying you got to have the best IQ. I'm saying you got to have a workable IQ, something where you know I can make some adjustments.

28:29And you see a hard charging guy coming in and doing what he likes to do. I don't have to let you put your weight on me. I don't have to stand there while you hit me with a big shot. And then if something happened, they say, see, that's the way to bend. I'm going to make you miss. and that speed that I got because I'm not sluggish, because I didn't have a big rebound in my weight cut because I wasn't 20, 30 pounds over the way, my stuff going, my punch is going to come through like a whip-wop, just like it did with Ryan Garcia, and we saw what happened. Ryan Garcia put on a masterful fight, and it's hard to say anything with a fight that lasts that long.

29:01Only two things that I pointed out that, again, Bro didn't like, but he going to have to figure that out, is the chin was a little high in that fight, and Conor Ben, that's the only shot that he has. The way that I'm wired as a fighter, the way that I'm wired as a commentator is I just don't look at what a fighter does good. You got to balance out the skills. I'm looking at what you do good. Like I can walk and chew gum at the same time. I can talk about what you're doing good and how you dominate in this space. But then I can also see that one little crack in the door and I can give a warning and I can have some foresight to say, look, but you better do this or tighten this up because this is what your opponent is looking for.

29:35Obviously, Conor Ben, and the other thing was Conor Ben had Ryan moving his feet extremely fast. Ryan was giving up a lot of energy. It wasn't a controlled movement. If that fight goes mid to late, that's going to be a problem. How do you know? Because I've been boxing longer than most people. And it's called an adrenaline dump. And you learn to be calm under pressure. You learn to mask your movements where my body want to jump out the way, but I got to slide out the way. because I got 12 rounds to have energy. I got to have 12 rounds to have my strength about me. So those are the only two things that I saw that Ryan was doing wrong that could have caught up with him if he didn't land the beautiful shot that he landed, and that's Connor Ben's fault.

30:20Connor Ben made a rookie mistake against a guy that everybody knows is extremely fast. We talk about the left hook, but the right hand is getting developed in a, almost as good as the left hook at this point. And that was a technical mistake that cost you. Great fight for Ryan Garcia.

30:47Take the victory. Enjoy the victory. But here go a championship mindset. A champion, I'm not saying a guy who just won a belt, Roy. I'm saying if a fighter wants to put his flag in the game, I'm not talking about social media right now. I'm not talking about this. I'm talking about as a fighter. Like, I'm really like that. You want to put your flag in the game, and you want to put your flag in a particular weight class, you look at what you did right, and you acknowledge that. But that championship mindset, that mindset you need to defend a title, and keep a title for a very long time, is you hard on yourself about the mistakes that you made that didn't catch up to you tonight because everybody watched the fight, and that's what they're going to be trying to get to catch up to you the next fight.

31:40And I can't afford for the next fight to not look as good as this fight. In fact, the championship mindset tells you, I got to have the next fight look even better than this fight and be even more dangerous than I look tonight. You know why? Because I'm never satisfied until I hang the gloves up. So don't get mad. Don't get offended. Just get better. And the last thing I'm going to say, and I'm going to let you take it, Roy, about this fight, championship mindset, don't get offended because somebody points out a truth or a fact. Championship mindset, don't get emotional because somebody points out a truth or a fact.

32:17Championship mindset, say, man, you right about that, man. I got you. and I got to get better on that because I plan to be here for a very long time. So great fight for Ryan Garcia, a great event, a great promotion, and tip my hat to him, even though my hat is on backwards, I'm going to still tip my hat to him because he backed up the talk. He promised big and he delivered even bigger than what people even expected him to do. I don't think anybody expected him to get it over with that early, and now he's in a driver's seat and he can call a shot. So respect to him. Terms of kind of being, I don't really know where he goes from here, Roy.

32:55That's tough because now the pre-fight antics are going to be less believable. Now the other opponents in and around your weight class, they're going to have less respect for you when they fight you because they just saw what happened to you. And that's how fighters roll. We're very courageous. We got a lot of heart, most of us. But when they see weakness, it's blood in the water. And most fighters will be emboldened by what they saw from kind of being on Saturday night, September 11. So did you say something about his chin and he got mad at you about it? I don't know. I just commentated. Okay, because I feel like something's happening.

33:37You feeling something? I'm feeling like I'm feeling like I'm feeling something from how you keep saying that y 'all kind of have a beef because of you probably saying somebody's chin no beef okay okay well at the same time what I'm saying I was going to say because I know if he did say something or if he feels a certain way he's saying that because he feels like you and Bud and Shakur are all cool and he wants to fight Shakur so I know that's what the problem would be if anything is being said so it's not like it's not like it's not like he taking it personal, but because it comes from that side and he knows y 'all are all friends, then he feel like, okay, so you trying to say that he can beat me because my chin high.

34:18So he's going to now take everything you say offensive is what the real deal is probably. You understand what I mean? So it's like, I don't know that for a fact, but I feel like just looking at it, that's kind of how I saw it. You understand what I mean? That's interesting. I feel like that's where, if any kickback or any way, by the feeling the kind of way it's going, that's where it's coming from. Because one time I said Shakur should not jump back so far. He should just step back and counter. He took that the right way. He said, you know what, I'm going to go work on that. Because the OG said, I may be jumping too wide of range.

34:50I got to short my range and I'm going to go work on that. And that's how some guys would take it. But I'm not, I wouldn't hang out with Ryan or like this. So he knew I wasn't saying it because of any other fight. He knew I was just saying it strictly for him. But Ryan, on the other hand, he'll probably feel like you saying that because you saying that's a way for Shakur to expose it. And that's why he probably taking it that way. So if it is, that's what that is. If he taking it that way, Roy, he giving me way too much credit because I ain't think that far up here. I'm just saying, though. I'm being given way too much credit.

35:25But let me say this, though. Let me say it, Andre. Remember you just talked about championship mentality? Mm-hmm. Championship mentality, if you feel like it's coming from over there, and they all over there, you're going to feel like that's being, that's offensive to you. And that's how he feels, I think, if he acts a certain way. Yeah, you might have to ask him when you see him, but... I ain't going to ask him. That's what y 'all. It ain't got to do with me. I don't, Roy, I don't, I don't, I don't do... Only beef I had in boxing was people that I fall with. That's real beef because you're trying to come in and you're trying to hurt me and all this kind of stuff, man.

36:00A lot of these guys are young, man. I got sons. 20 years, mid-20s. I'm not, we don't do that. What I'm speaking to is just the mindset. And if the shoe fits, you got to wear it. I'm speaking to a mindset of individuals that, you know, we got to stop using this word, hate, so loosely. Hate on what? What is anybody hating on? Right? Like, if a person has to say that you're the greatest talent to ever walk on the face of the earth, and you the greatest generational talent of this. If that has to be said in order for you to feel okay, that's a you problem, not me. Because at the end of the day, you cannot reign.

36:44You cannot be a boss. I ain't talking about social media, bro. I'm not talking about them numbers. I'm talking about what's going on inside this square circle. So when I'm speaking about a flaw that I see, I'm going to be honest. and if people can, if you can get past whatever a person may feel about me personally, right? Because a lot of times the hate thing, you hating, a lot of times that stuff be a lot of deflecting and that stuff really be coming from the other side so people accuse you of doing something that they doing. And it's also a lot of times, not just speaking about Ryan, but just in general, when you say something that's sound and something that's truthful and a person overreacts to it and they say you're a hater, a lot of times what that is, Roy, and this stuff been going on for a very long time in sports just in general it's an attempt to discredit you to the fan base because I know you be speaking truth and I don't like the stuff that you say and I want to discredit you so the next time and I know it will be the next time you say something that's true or something that I feel makes me look bad I want my fan base to jump on you and say oh he hating again they do it to me all the time they do it to me all the time and if people would look at my history as a broadcaster or a public figure or somebody that speaks publicly I'm pretty fair and equitable, man.

38:01I really don't let a lot of personal stuff get in my way. There are times that I don't have a relationship with a particular fighter. Maybe there was some history where something was said. My goal is to never let personal feelings get into the way of my commentary. Let the internet tell it. Me and Canelo don't like each other. That's not true. That's some fake thing that they made up because we fought a common opponent. But when I called Crawford Canelo, right? Oh, Crawford's his boy. Why is he even calling a fight, right? Right? But I was so fair that even Terrence got mad and say, bro, he called me after the fight like, man, man, you was giving Canelo everything.

38:46I'm like, brother, no, I wasn't. I was trying to shoot it right down the middle. And it's hard. You know, it's hard, bro. You know, Roy. It's hard to commentate thing. Everybody sit at home and think they would know what to say. When that red light comes on or you in the middle of a fight and you got two other broadcasters doing their thing, giving their perspective. And then you got to shoot and give yours and it has to sound right. You have to articulate it and it has to make sense and it has to be fair. It's hard. Right. I got the other guy that I'm supposed to be. Right. I'm supposed to be favoring him, hitting me up like, bro, he was giving Canelo everything.

39:18And I'm like, no, I wasn't. So at the end of the day, man, everybody not going to be happy, Roy. But whether it's Ryan Garcia, Shakur, Devin, whoever it is, the elite ones, the ones that's going to be standing when the smoke is clear, they can take a little bit of you didn't do this right. You got to do this better. That's a light shoulder because it's a lot more things that could be said. But that's a light show. You got to be able to shoulder that, put that on your back and say, I got you. Man, next time you're going to see me a lot better. That's all I'm going to say on that. All right. I'm going to leave it at that too then.

39:48But I don't know what you're feeling. You said you was feeling something. I don't know what you're feeling. Yeah, because I hear you keep saying, so I thought something was happening because it's like, why he keep talking about Ryan chin up and why they keep, is it a debate about that? Did he say something and they got mad about it? What happened? Because I know what you said. There's a lot of stuff said out here these days, man. There's a lot of stuff said. Yeah. That's what I was saying. There's a lot of stuff said. And sometimes I don't try to get into the specifics that are being said. I just try to just address the cloud that's out there.

40:16And I just try to move on from there because I ain't got time for the back and forth, man. Like, listen, I got a job to do on fight night. And we have put ourselves in a position where we know a little bit about the sport and we're going to speak on it. And a lot of times this stuff be really, if you look at it the right way, we're really trying to give you some gain. Like, I know you're going to listen to it. That's exactly what we're trying to do. And Roy, it's going to be a next time, right? Right. The smart ones grabbing and say, oh, I caught what I caught what OG was putting out there. I'm picking up what you putting down.

40:48The other ones that are he. OK, well, you're going to miss it. But guess what? Just because you didn't like it don't mean it's not true. And just because you didn't like it don't mean you're not going to have to face that situation in the future, because we've seen you face it in the past. And my thing is, if I see a fighter make a mistake and I'm like, man, he does a lot of things great, but that's like one or two things he got to work on. it's in my nature. I come from a man in Verge who he doesn't sugarcoat. He's going to always talk about what we do, right? And he's going to remind me that, man, you the boss, you the top dog out here.

41:20But son, look, we got to tighten this up. That's how I'm wired. So when I commentate, that's the cloth that I'm cut from. I'm not cut from a sensitive cloth. I'm not cut from a thin cloth. I'm not cut from, don't tell me, man, why are you saying that to me? Huh? Because you in a fight game. You can lose your life. You can lose your reputation. Your money can get messed up even though you've made a lot. Your money, your pay skill can get messed up if you get clipped out here. That's why I'm on you like that. Being on you and not letting you get away with nothing because that's how Virgis said. I ain't going to let you get away with nothing because I love you enough to keep it real with you today so tomorrow we don't have to have this conversation while you're hanging your head.

42:01That's how I'm wired when I look at boxers. I understand, but I feel you addressing that crowd. So I knew it had to be a crowd because if it wasn't a crowd, I wouldn't hear you addressing it that much. You feel me? You might be right because even when you wrong, Roy, you ain't way wrong. You ain't never just fully wrong. If me and you disagree, I may not agree, but you ain't all the way off. You just might be a little, in my opinion, a little off. So when you say something, man, a lot of times, it's a lot of validity of what you're saying. The Ring Magazine champion and the guy who many consider to be the best cruiserweight in the world, Jai Opatia stopped WBC Cruiserweight world champion Noel McAleen in the co-main event.

42:42Good fight, slow fight that slowly built up. And I knew that going in because McAleen is a guy who's an older fighter, very, very crafty. And he's not going to just let you do what you want to do. He's going to slow the game down, slow the fight down, and he's going to make you fight at his pace. And I thought Jai did that in a decent amount of spots where I'm thinking, step it up, man, you got to step to him. And he allowed McAleen to fight his fight, even though Jai was winning and was successful. Jai got buzzed with a shot. But then the power came through later in the fight for Jai Opataya, man.

43:23And it was a devastating shot. And Noel McAleen, you know, he couldn't continue. and shortly after that, the Mexican monster was ringside. David Benavidez, Jai called him up. At first, security wouldn't let Benavidez in the ring or his father, then they finally did. David Benavidez moved up to the Cruiserweight division not long ago. His punching power seems to still be there. His conditioning still seems to be there. His punch count still seems to be there. And to me, that's the fight that needs to get made in the cruiserweight division, David Benavidez and Jai Upatai. What do you think about Jai?

44:01What have you seen of him? And then talk to me about the potential matchup with him and Benavidez. I like Jai Upatai. I think he's a very good puncher, very good boxer puncher. Uses his feet well. Did start slow in that last fight. That kind of surprised me. But that also was an experience game for him because he hasn't had a lot of experience against guys that really can fight. The guy he fought really can fight. So that was a big experience game for him. and I think it was the kind of experience game that he needed before he goes in the ring with the David Benavidez because David Benavidez has been getting experience for a long time.

44:33He's been sparring with all these guys. He's been over in the United States or Mexico wherever he needs to be to train with people like the last guy he beat for the title. So he's seen all these things that Obertai has not seen. Obertai was on the other side of the world developing. Now he's finally coming to this side and he's getting to face some competition and face things that he's never seen before. So I think that was a great learner for him, I should say. It was competitive, but it was a great learner for him to get him more prepared to face the monster. That don't mean he's going to beat the monster, but he's more prepared to face the monster.

45:07Can he beat the monster? He can because he has the kind of shock in his punches that if he can land the right kind of punches, he can put anybody down or put anybody out. So he can, but I don't know if he will because the monster is so overbearing with his punches, but he usually neutralizes your punching power with his overbearing, with how many punches he throws. So that's going to be a really good fight. Now, what I said in the past before this happened was, they asked me who I thought the monster should fight next. And I said, if Usyk kept the titles, he should have went straight to Usyk, because he could come back to Opetai.

45:39But now that Usyk is gone, Opetai is definitely the next best fight for him, because now he probably can try to become the unified champion as a cruiserweight, which would be great for him, and then And he'll be looking at somebody for a heavyweight title. So that'll be a great thing for the monster if he can put it off. But this is a great fight. One of the kind of fights that boxing needs and boxing wants. So I can't wait for it to happen. Yeah, it's a pick-em fight for sure. Yep. And without going too deep into the analysis, I think early on it takes a lot of skill to slow down an offensive guy like David Benavidez.

46:19is. And it's not just skill, but it's toughness too, because he's only going to respect you hitting him. You're going to have to get your respect at a certain point in time, but you also can't get drug into throwing 100 and 110 punches around whatever it is that he throws as a cruiser way. You can't get caught up in that because that's not your game, but you got to do enough to let him know I'm here. You got to land enough to let him know that I'm here. Oh, and you got to try to stay up on the points as well. So I think for Jai, he's got to find a healthy balance because he's got good legs. He's got to understand where to be, when to be there, what angles to take, but then also instinctively know when to stand and rumble for 5, 10, 15, 20 seconds and give David what he likes and then go back to doing what he does.

47:03Easier said than done. And for David Benavidez, I just think he needs to continue to be David Benavidez. David Benavidez can box when he wants to, but I think that obviously he's got that drive in him that there's a certain fight that he likes. Like I can box, but I really want to let both my hands go. That's where I feel the most comfortable. And most guys, none of these guys can deal with it. Even the guys that try to hang with him for three or four or five rounds, you see them go off a cliff because they don't train at that pace. They definitely don't fight at that pace. And now you're dealing with a guy across the ring who's physically strong, tough, and he's got a high offense, high work rate.

47:39So great fight for the cruiserweight division. and that's a fight that we need to see and it's a fight that we definitely want to see. But I want to go one division north briefly just to talk about what's been going on with Anthony Joshua, Tyson Fury. This fight has been rumored for many, many years. These guys are both from Great Britain. As far as I know, they both live in Great Britain and for whatever reason, they have been unable to fight. And now it looks like we might get the fight and there's some contractual differences going on between Eddie Hearn and Dana, between where the fight should take place, should it be in the UK or should it be at Madison Square Garden?

48:16I personally think that's a fight that's naturally suited for the UK. 80 ,000, 90 ,000, 100 ,000 fans. Both guys are older. This is their last hurrah, I guess at least against one another. Maybe they'll do it again if it's a great fight, but I think that this is probably a one-and-done situation that just needs to happen before its expiration date. Some people say it's past the expiration date. I still want to see it. I'm excited about it. Sometimes when you're a little bit older, Sometimes when you're not getting out the way of punches as good as you did, it makes for a better fight because I ain't got time for all that ducking and dodging.

48:46I'm going to try to implement my game plan, but I really just want to hit you and hurt you. And I think that's what both guys are. Roy, where do you think a fight like this between Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua should be held? I'm so glad that it's getting held over there in the UK and Wales, brother. But the fans, they're deserving. Looks like. Cardiff, yeah. Cardiff, Wales. Yeah. Cardiff, Wales. Because the fans there deserve it because they're some of the most loyal fight fans ever. You know, when Ricky Hatton came here in Fort Floyd Mayweather, over 20 ,000 of them came over here to support Ricky Hatton.

49:16They traveled. You could never get 10 ,000 Americans to go to the UK to support no American. You understand me? So it's like those are the most loyal boxing fans on planet Earth. If anybody deserves that fight, they deserve it. Not just to support the boxing, but the people of Great Britain or Cardiff, where they deserve it because those people would go anywhere to support their man. And this time, both of them happen to be their men. So why should they have to travel somewhere else to see two of their own guys fight? It don't make sense. Now, expiration date. Yes, the expiration date has passed.

49:56But it's like it passed, but because they're still kind of in the same place, we still should get an even fight. A fight with both of them. They're at the same place. It ain't like one guy's on top of the world and one guy's not anymore. Both of them have fallen down a step. Both of them fell under the Usyk era. So they're still in the same place. And like people say, and I'm not calling these guys two mules by no means, but two mules are a great race. So if they're in the same place, it's the only reason I'm saying that, in their career, they're still equal. It's not like one is up here and one is there or one is going that way and one is going that way.

50:32No. They're on equal ground still. So if they're both on equal ground still, we in for a great fight. Why do we not want it now? So there's no expiration date when it's even ground. If it's not even ground, the expiration date matters. But when it's even ground, there's no expiration date. This fight is no expiration date. I think it's going to be a great fight. Yep. Because I think the dislike and the vitriol is real. Like, I don't believe that Ryan Garcia and kind of Ben really disliked each other. We only dislike each other for this 12-week promotion, 10-week promotion, because you're getting on my nerves.

51:07You keep talking like you're going to beat me. I feel a way about that. You're on the other side of the ring, and you just get tired of looking at a dude's face when you sign a fight. I don't want to hear your name no more. Every day, if you're in a Ben camp, it's Ryan Garcia. Ryan Garcia. Garcia does this right. And if you're in the Garcia camp, you bend this and bend. I think it was just boxing, agitation and irritation. But these guys, I don't really think they like each other at all. I think that's going to cause for a great fight. And even though they both have slipped, man, they haven't slipped enough where they can't fight.

51:39They can still fight and they can still deliver a shot. They still got a lot left in the tank. Hope we get the announcement soon. I think the UK, I know that the UK will be a spectacle. It would be a spectacle anywhere, but, you know, 20-something thousand and 100 ,000 is a totally different ballgame. I want to end this pod today. I want to talk about retirement just for a little bit, Roy. I've had my journey. You've had yours. There is no script to this thing. It's easy to say what you're going to do until it's time to do it. And life circumstances, depending on where your fire is internally, depending on what you think you still have left or things that you feel are unfinished in your life is going to drive you in different types of ways.

52:26So but the retirement conversation is always a polarizing one. It's always an interesting one. And as I mentioned at the beginning of the show, September 21st, it's the nine year anniversary of my retirement announcement, which is hard to believe. I feel I really feel like that was yesterday. It's just it's a it's a it's a watershed moment in my life that is just going to be always fixed. I remember how I felt. I remember my kids being around me in my living room. I remember. Creating the post that I put out and just the reaction throughout the day, how I felt just a moment, man, that I'll never forget.

53:01And but I want to talk just briefly about another fighter who retired December 16th, 2025. and Terrence Bud Crawford after he beat Canelo Alvarez in September. And it's an interesting thing going on. And I dealt with a lot of this stuff over these last nine years. You know, Terrence Crawford is one of the generals in the game. You one of the generals in the game, right? It's guys who have been at the highest level, not just a shooting star. I've been there, stood there, stayed there for an extended period of time. Generations know me, right? Like my legacy is stamped. And Terrence Crawford is one of those guys.

53:48But now, because he and I retired the way that we do, what I noticed was some of it was real love from fans saying, bruh, come on, man. Like, dang, your retirement hurt me, bruh. Like, man, it was abrupt. I didn't have time to prepare for it. Are you sure you retired, man? you sure you don't want to fight this one and that one and this one? Some of it is genuine love and I just want to see you back, you know. But then some of it is, again, I don't know what to call these guys, but guys who have pages, sites, cameras that are like picking at bro about coming back to fight Boots Ennis. And I know they had the exchange on the zone and, you know, people made more of that than what it was.

54:29oh, you know, Jerron Boos in a step to butt, man, Terrence Crawford is calling. He's sitting at a desk. So because one man walks up on the desk and the other man is sitting down, doesn't mean that the man that walked up stepped to him. It was mutual respect. People are overly reading into the body language about what Jerron did, what Jerron didn't do. Listen, man, you can't fight everybody in your career. You cannot fight every soul that's in and around your way class. There are times when I fight everybody to get in a position. I get in a position and now I have to think like a businessman, not just like a businessman, because you're still going to get smoked.

55:09I still got to continue to stamp my legacy and I'm a competitor, so I want to fight you. But then there's certain ones that, hey, man, this guy, Jerron Boots, in this man, he just came at the wrong time. Some people feel like I go back and forth with Max about this. Oh, he should have fought him. And then that would have solidified him. No, he's already solidified. The Jerron Boots Ennis fight at the time didn't make sense for Terrence Crawford from a marketing standpoint. If you have Canelo, you don't go back to a Jerron Boots Ennis. There's no disrespect to Jerron. He passes the eye test, all the stuff.

55:40The boy can fight. We know that. We ain't talking about that. But where you are in your career, dealing with injuries, dealing with the do I still want to do it? You don't go back and fight a Jerron Boots in it. So naturally, there's a conversation that's going to continue to be had between these two. But what I see is, is now people that say they Terrence Crawford fans or people that have never been Terrence Crawford fans, they start to pick at you. Well, why are you talking so much? Because he can. Because he's a general in the game. And if he wants to weigh in on a situation or a particular fighter, he can do that.

56:14We fought enough rounds. We don't have to fight anymore. Well, if you're going to talk, then you should come back and fight and not taking that bait either. Because people say that they want to see fighters go out a certain way and our fighters get messed up and they got to stop that. But do you really feel that? Because what does him talking have to do with him coming back? We shouldn't be talking if he ain't going to come back. Well, he's a general, one of the generals in the game, and you've earned a right to weigh in when and where you want to weigh in. So I don't know if you've seen some of that.

56:41I know we talk about this stuff. And, you know, I know you said you stay away from it because some of that stuff gets you agitated or frustrated. But I've been where Terrence Crawford is in terms of the early stage of retirement. And I was shocked at the amount of people that either tried to rewrite history and have revisionist history about who I ducked, who I didn't fight. Or you retired because you didn't want to fight B-Vol and better be it. Well, hold on a second. How are you going to fight the number one guy but duck five and six? or six and seven, depending on what ranking system you look at.

57:14How does that work? I dealt with that. I dealt with the pools to come back. I'm already dealing with my own stuff internally about retirement. Now I got y 'all baiting, baiting, baiting. Well, hey, he look good tonight. I wonder if we're going to do. Terrence is dealing with a lot of the same stuff. And Terrence is not a guy that's going to be silent, so he's speaking out. And I feel like it's causing a large conversation. So what do you say about Terrence retiring less than a year ago? is Terrence just dealing with retirement? Is he bored? Does he just have time because he's retired? Like all the talk around Terrence Crawford retiring, who he ducked, not fighting boots.

57:48What do you say about all of that? I'm going to go two things. First, I'm going to go back up to where you was the last topic. Other thing, the difference between Conor Benn and Ryan Garcia and Joshua and Fury. Conor Benn and Ryan are from two different countries. These two dudes are fighting for country supremacy. They're fighting for neighborhood. backyard supremacy. Supremacy. This is going to be big. You understand me? You understand me? Forever. Who was the best of that place? You understand me? So that's a different animal. So you got to factor that in. As far as the retirement thing go, man, it's like retirement depends on solely the individual that you are and what's at stake and how much you consider what's at stake.

58:31So what I'm saying is this. If I'm in his shoes, which is I'm not, but if I was in Terrence's shoes, When they talk about booze, I say, yeah, he look good. And it would have been a great fight. Well, too bad. We're not going to see it. Like Sugarhead played him with Marvin Hagler. He said, oh, it would have been a great fight, but unfortunately, we're not going to see it. But he was just playing the whole time. He knew first chance he got right. He was coming to get Marvin, right? Because that's just how some people are. If you're Terrence, you got to take from those days and you got to play on it.

58:59Because when you let people lure you into talking, they start twisting your words and start making different things out of stuff that's not really there. So the best thing you can do is say, hey, in my time, but my time is done. I'm not in his time right now. It's his turn. It's his time now. So how he does it, cool. I'm cool with that. Would I have beaten him in my prime? I think I would have. I think it's levels, and I think I'm five levels above that. But I'm not in my prime no more. My prime is beyond me. This is his prime now. So it's not really fair to say or fair to know because I don't know.

59:33You know what I mean? But at the same time, if I talk too much, now they're going to say, well, if you do all that talking, don't you come show us. You feel me? So it's like you got to know what you're doing and you got to know what you're dealing with because people want to lure you into conversation because they know what it took to make you the best, what it took to make you him, is still in there. That don't go nowhere. You understand me? That's not retired. That fire is not retired. That don't go nowhere. You understand me? So you have to learn how to tame that fire. You can't let them throw wood on that fire because that'll make that fire burn again.

1:00:04So you can't let people throw wood on the fire. You got to answer with the mentality that, hey, I'm retired and I want to stay retired. So how do I do this without sounding weak? Right? Well, the way I do this without sounding weak is saying, hey, man, dude look good. Now, he's in his prime right now. If I was in my prime, I don't know. I don't think he could have dealt with it. But I'm not in my prime no more. That kills all that. That kills all that. You understand me? So that lets that go. But if you don't know how to do that. Wait, wait, wait. It's that last part that's not going to be said.

1:00:39I'm not in my prime. Well, it's not going to be said, but age, age, age, age, age is undefeated. You're not 32 like he is. So you're not in your prime like he is. He's in his prime. So right now he has a physical advantage because he's in his prime. Now you might still can beat him. That don't mean you still can't beat him because he's in his prime. But you're not matching prime for prime. I'm talking, if I'm going to match myself, I'm going to match prime. If I'm not going to let you match me now and him now, because he's in his prime now, I'm not. And that's where you have to understand that.

1:01:08That's the difference. That's why it's called retirement and active. Retirement means you think you're beyond your prime, you're not at your best no more, so you retire. He's still at his best right now, so he's still active. So it's like, when you understand those things now, do I think in my prime he could be? No. Really, sometimes, and this is the problem boxers have, I had a problem still. Even though I'm older and beyond my prime, some of those guys, if I could get in the right shape and got in my mind, they still probably couldn't beat me. And that's how we think. That's how we feel. But we can't share that with the public because they're going to turn that around and turn that into the, okay, well, if you say you can do it, come show us.

1:01:50Most of those are haters. I don't know how many times I heard you concede that in your prime, I'm not in my prime, but in my prime, I could have did this. I never seen that from you. I don't think I heard that. You got to share that clip with me. Well, I think I did. I don't know if that, maybe it's out there. I can't catch everything, but maybe that's, I never heard that. I think I said it a couple times, my prime. I say it in my prime for a reason. Not that I don't think I can now, but I know in my prime, they had it. I seen you signing to fight guys that they was like, he fighting him. Of course.

1:02:22So, well, I'm going to say this about what you said about Terrence. Terrence did say that. He did give Jerron Boots Ennis that credit and said, man, it's his time. And he did all. Everything you said, he said, right? But the problem is, is the cage keeps getting rattled. So now I can give you your credit and say, great fight. But then when you sit next to me now, and I'm paraphrasing, but the announcer, you know, the host is sort of agitating the situation. Hey, you got Terrence Crawford right there, man. He said this, you said that. What do you think is going to happen? Of course, you're going to stand up.

1:03:00You ain't going to lay down. You're going to stand up. Ain't nobody going to be PC and say, well, you know, congratulations, man. I just want to say in my prom, I could have got you. But I can't get, that's not going to happen. This man ain't even been retired a year. His brain don't feel retired. His body probably happy he retired. But that fire, you like, listen, bro, the right situation, you can get it. Now, I don't want to do it, but you can get it. So it's a hard, it's a hard thing to tell that man to do when a man, he said the, it's his time. He said that. I think he tweeted it. I think he said it verbally.

1:03:31But when you sit next to me and you got a host sitting right there agitating it, well, you're going to get what you're looking for. And he also said, but I'm 10 levels ahead of you, so I'm 10 levels ahead of you. That means you still can't beat me. That's that other stuff coming out. That's that other stuff coming out. Exactly. That ain't going to go nowhere. But I do agree and I like what you said, man. I think Terrence will get to a point. It's not there now. It's too early. I think he will get to a point where he can hear a lot of the noise and really feel like he's retired. He's retired, right?

1:04:04And I think he's going to stay retired, in my personal opinion. But the body don't feel like that. His body is used to fighting once or twice a year. And his body right now is saying, when are we going to camp? We used to have an admission. We used to have an admission. When are we going to camp? And he's fighting that. He may not realize he's fighting that, but he's fighting that urge to say, hey, man, I see a bunch of other lions around here. It's about time. His body has a natural reaction to even if it was no fight on the books. I'm still in the gym three, four days a week. I'm still getting bumped.

1:04:40I'm still hitting the mitts. I'm still sparring. I'm still doing my thing. So that's what he's managing right now. And I think he will get to a point where this stuff will be laughable and he can let it slide. But brother, listen, he just he retired December 16th. It is September. Excuse me. He retired December 16th. It's September 21st. It ain't been 12 months yet. You're not going to let that slide. If a man is sitting next to you and the host is agitating the situation, not in a disrespectful way, but he's trying to get some conversation going. Well, you got what you was looking for. I think the part that Terrence is working through is the perception of what happened on that set.

1:05:21Oh, man. You let him step to you. Oh, look, you were sitting down. And he walked up. Look, he put his hand on your shoulder. He put his hand on your chest. That's what bro dealing with right now. And bro is a dog. Bro ain't liking that at all. Yes. So I think these guys that, you know, cover this sport, You know, they, I just think they, they trying to have a field day on a man, but I'm going to say this. You may not like what Terrence is saying. You may not like everything he's doing, but I don't, I don't necessarily think he's doing anything wrong. I think this is a process that not many men have walked through.

1:05:58I'm being one of them. I know the struggle. I know the battle and to not give into the battle and to not pick up that phone and say, Hey, one more. that takes a lot of strength and it takes a lot of self-control. And there's going to be times when you speak on a situation that, you know, your name is involved and you're going to have a natural reaction like a fighter. But I will say this again, Terrence Crawford is one of the generals in the game. And I don't agree with guys that are covering this sport telling him stop tweeting. The man, you're going to tell a grown man to stop tweeting. He can tweet when he wants to tweet, and he can say what he wants to say.

1:06:38That's his business, and he's qualified to say what he's saying. You may not like it, but he's qualified to speak on it. Yep. What I'm going to say is that when you do that talk, though, know that— You just got to know what's coming back. Yeah, exactly. You got to know what's coming back, and you know that's going to put you on the front line of saying, okay, well, if you're talking it, walk it. And that's what we do. We talk the talk, and we walk the walk. So don't talk if you're ready to walk it. That's all they're saying. And I do understand that part, too. But Boyd can do anything he wants to do.

1:07:03He did so much for the sport of boxing. He accomplished so many things in sport of boxing. If he wants to stay happily retired, he can. If he wants to come back, he can. That's why he don't owe nobody no conversation. He don't need to tweet. He don't need to talk. He ain't got to do nothing. He can just be cool and say, hey, man, listen, I said I'm done. And that's that. If that's what he want to do. But if he decides I got time today, he could do that too. That's all. Like I said, he did enough in his game that he deserves to do whatever he wants to do. And I would be the last person to tell somebody, oh, you should retire or whatever.

1:07:36You do what you want to do. You love this game. You hear your stake in this game for a long time. You do exactly what you want to do. That's what this game owes back to you. And he is. Chop Chop fighting. Chop Chop finna fight again at 52 years old. Hold on, bro. Chop still fighting? Chop Chop finna fight again at 52 years old. Chop Chop finna fight. Chop finna fight Chop finna fight again At 52 years old Why I saw it on the post yesterday I got a post on my phone I'll send it to you Chop finna fight At 52 years old I'm about to pull this up Right now Before we get out of here Come on I gotta see it to believe it Hold on Chop being quiet I thought Chop finna fight Chop finna fight At 52 years old Let me see Can I find it DeMarcus No no no I got you I'm about to pull it right now DeMarcus Corley Man DeMarcus Corley Chop chop Corley is, y 'all don't know him, do your research.

1:08:31Do your research. 52 and 36 with a draw.

1:08:4152 and 36 and a draw. That's 89 fights. So he's going to be fighting his 90th fight. At 52 years old. Hey, man, more power to him, bro. I can't do it. I can't do it. That's a different claw. I ain't cut from that one. I was just telling you, that's how it is in this game. I ain't come from that one. But I respect it. I respect it, man. Hey, we're going to get out of here. Once again, y 'all know how we coming, man. We're going to have fun. We're going to talk real talk. And we're going to talk about it, man. Appreciate y 'all tuning in to another episode of the Hall of Game. We out.

1:09:29Thank you.