AI Insider Warns of Risk To Humanity

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0:43All right, well, let's get to work. Behind the scenes secrets and more from every episode. That was smoldering. It's going to be iconic. All my dreams are coming true. Dancing with the Stars official podcast. New episodes every Thursday on Disney Plus and Hulu and wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to The Beat. We begin with what many are saying has become a clear flop. Donald Trump retaking the stage for the doubleheader, as we discussed last night. When you have a really good music festival, you don't usually have the headliner repeat night after night, but here we are. It will be a rerun with whatever else Donald Trump can do to make it more interesting at the convention tonight.

1:22A video from inside the arena showed that they could barely fill it last night, even during the big speeches. Trump was on stage, and reports said he was basically humiliated by glitches with an empty MAGA crowd. The upper decks are empty, Reuters reports. Large stretches of the side section remain sparsely filled. Even the Trump on stage arena, even with him on stage, I should say, clearly not at capacity. And so what you have there is something that is real, even within the planned showmanship, that actually gives you a metaphor for whether they will have the same problems turning out a larger number of voters in November if they couldn't even turn out the faithful for this much publicized Trump convention.

2:04Trump's desperation was also evident on substance. He has at one point said he doesn't care much about the midterms and sort of used this line about, well, maybe they'll lose them anyway. But now he's also pitching an illegal scheme, if he actually carried it out, to pay people for votes. That is against the law. We'll just briefly tell you. The sitting president literally said that he might be able to give out$5 ,000 per person if Republicans win. But this is a playbook by someone who has offered all kinds of freebies that aren't free, that aren't true. He has welched on so many people, even those he knew personally, former contractors and lawyers.

2:42Even over on Fox, there were questions about the supposed announcement. I can hear the critics' heads exploding. They're saying out loud, I guarantee you, the president is bribing voters to vote for Republicans to take over the House. And then he's bankrupting the country because the deficit and debt is huge and inflation would come back if this comes into play. So how do you answer those criticisms? If you keep us in power and allow us to continue to do these things, then you're going to share in some of the benefit of this incredible wealth. I don't think it's a controversial idea.

3:21You can imagine how Mr. Vance or others would react if their opponents were talking like this. Their opponents, though, are not actually telling people that they need to be illegally paid in order to vote for them. In fact, when you look at issues like the war and the high prices, plenty of people want to vote just to try to change the trajectory of the United States under Trump. Dems holding their own events in Dallas, top Senate hopefuls, including Tallarico, going after the economy.

3:50They were celebrating Corrupted Paris Billionaire tax rates And a new world That are all Blind and cross Shouldn't be this hard To afford a second Bag of groceries Shouldn't be this hard To pay your rent Or believe you're going to hold Shouldn't be this hard To see a doctor In the richest Most powerful country In the world We're not from the right We're not from the left We're working class people From the bottom And people are going to be Surprised Come November 3rd, that working class people are going to take back their government. That's part of the message, not left and right, not red and blue, certainly not on the cultural war, but more about what it takes to get ahead in Trump's America and the bottom fighting back.

4:31New polls in Maine and Michigan show tight races in the House. If you ask this question as a general matter, people want the Democrats by 11 points. We're joined now by Joe Crowley, former New York congressman who served as chair of the Democratic Caucus knows all about this kind of midterm home stretch that we're in. And Jelani Cobb, dean of the Columbia Journalism School and a staff writer for the prestigious New Yorker Magazine. Welcome to both of you. What do you think of how Democrats are hitting there? So right now, I think this is a slam dunk for them. Whoever put this convention together, if this was The Apprentice, he or she'd be fired.

5:05And so I think Democrats are looking at this as an opportunity. Once again, it's about all about Trump. And as much as these candidates don't want to be about him. It's going to be a lot about him. And you're right, when you talk about this bribe to pay off people, only if Republicans win will you get this money. It really is reflective, again, of his not listening to the American people, understanding right now they can't afford their groceries. Groceries, by the way, is a new word. He's never heard that word before because he's never had to go to a grocery store in his life. The price of gas, almost$6 for a gallon of diesel.

5:40I mean, this is killing farmers. His base is getting killed here. So I think there are a lot of openings here for Democrats. Look at this. And again, the poor showing at this convention, the poor ratings on it, it's just, you know, it's overwhelming. Yeah. I want to play a little more of just what we heard, Trump, who is the sitting president in this time where so many things are being normalized, talking about this, about giving out this money.

6:05A new concept where we give 20 % of the Doge savings to American citizens. We're thinking about a rebate because we have so much money coming in from tariffs. We're going to issue a dividend to our middle-income people and lower-income people of about$2 ,000. We have so much money coming in from tariffs that we'll be able to issue at least a$2 ,000 dividend. Nearly 1 million hard-working Americans in 30 states will soon be getting refunds of$500 each. Number one, it's illegal to condition anything from the United States government for votes. I just want to be clear. We're not normalizing the illegality here.

6:46Two, in addition, he never pays. Okay. But three, and I give this to you, Jelani, if we took this as a logical promise, when you're the incumbent government and the best thing you can tell people is not that the policies work, that it's good to live in the country under this government, that the Trump administration's foreign policy or domestic policy is already good for you. Don't you want more of it? Instead of offering more, two more years, he's saying, forget all that. Maybe there'll be magic money for you. Well, I mean, let's just start illegally. This is illegal. So not advocating this. But were I of such a mind mindset, my question would be, I voted for you two years ago.

7:31Why didn't you give it to me then? Yeah. You know, what's the angle? And you controlled both houses. Yeah. And you controlled both houses. And so, you know, we saw earlier the line about not being concerned about the midterms. You know, nothing could be further from the truth. And he actually sometimes slips up and kind of gives away the plot, you know, because he said a few weeks ago that if Democrats take back the House, then you have to be worried about impeachment. He's Sure. Impeached twice. Now, that may or may not happen. You know, who knows what a Democratic House would cite as their priorities.

8:04But there are other administration figures that should be very worried. Pete Hexf should be very worried. Todd Blanch should be very worried. Members of his cabinet can be impeached with a lower bar and lower political costs for that to happen. And so there are a lot of reasons why the administration would be very nervous about this. Hence the$5 ,000, you know, bounty that's being offered up here. And Joe, just briefly, we've seen him do this before where, oh, it'll happen later. It'll always happen at a later date. This is on the war's end. I think the war will end immediately after the election.

8:47A negotiation could possibly happen, but it's not something we're looking at. This war will end immediately after our election. That would be convenient if people believe that for him. He might be taking a page out of what happened to Jimmy Carter, though, where they held the hostages, and Iran was in this game as well back then. They held back until Ronald Reagan was elected as punishment. You know, we don't know where this war is going to go at this point. We only know it's not going to end anytime soon. Iran seems to be digging in even further. And we know that the Straits of Hamus, whether we're going to call Trump's Straits or not, it's irrelevant.

9:24They're closed. And it's causing economic havoc, not just for the region, but for the world. Yeah. I'll also play some of the Democrats who are in Texas. They're doing the counter-programming. But they're feeling like this has become a close-up that's benefited them. Take a look, Jelani. You can take a look at the arena last night and you can see the empty seats. It shows they are failing. He is weak. His numbers are plummeting. Look, Donald Trump is a known liar. The dividend is not happening. He promised a dividend on tariffs. That didn't happen. He promised a dividend on Doge. That didn't happen.

9:57He promised some strange new dividend from Air Force One, what, six months ago? That never happened.

10:06More of the same. But also, here's the thing. I mean, if you have a hustle and the hustle is working, why would you ever stop that hustle? It sounds, Filoni, like you're saying you can't knock the hustle. You can't knock the hustle. And so if we're going pop culture here, by the way, here's the Iran, you know, Bronx tale analogy here. You remember the famous scene where Charles Pachaz Pomeneri is the mob boss and he has the bar and the motorcycle gang comes up and they want to come in and they're being very disrespectful. He asks them to leave and they won't leave. And then he goes over and locks the door.

10:45And he said, first I asked you to leave. Now I'm not going to let you leave. Now you can't leave. Now you can't leave. Right. That's where we are in Iran. Like we had all these kinds of situations. But now Iran has no incentive to want to seek a peace. They're like, we've been preparing for this kind of conflict forever. Now, if it's convenient for you to leave, so what? Yeah, I agree. I think that looking at what they've already sacrificed, you know, I hate to say this, but we as Americans don't really know what it's like to go to war. The Iranians do. That's very true. They understand sacrifice.

11:19They understand death. They understand catastrophe in ways that we couldn't even imagine happening in New York or Washington or anywhere in this country. So, I'm not saying that we couldn't rise to the occasion as a country if challenged to do so for the right reason, but the president has never laid out that cause or plan for why we should be in that, except when he said we were there to prevent them from having nuclear weapons. I thought we did that last year. I thought we bombed them and prevented that last year. So, it does seem to be like an endless war. what he promised he would not get us into.

11:52Jelani, on the coverage and the reaction, do you think everyone's wise is up to this? I mean, Trump has so many rabbits out of the proverbial hat. We were covering just this week his struggle to even get Fox to cover his election lies the way he would like. Right. Which they admit that the Trump folks are angry about it. They say it in public. And so, you know, whatever you say, oh, it's always three-dimensional chess. Well, no, sometimes they're just flipping over the chessboard in a panic that suggests they know that at least if the midterms were held today, it wasn't looking good. Yeah, and I think there are a couple things at play here.

12:25You know, one is people talk about that kind of rock-solid portion of the Trump coalition. The people who go through all sorts of—suffer through all sorts of privations, all sorts of difficulties, and they will grant him just waiver after waiver. They never associate any hardship in their life with any policy that he enacts. Even if there's a one-to-one ratio between those two things. But neither of those groups, neither of those elections, rather, could have been swung simply by that set of people. He had a coalition of people who were very, very much kind of like lightning strike circumstances to bring together the populations that delivered him to the presidency both times.

13:09And what you see now, and same thing that you saw in the midst of the pandemic, was that those portions peeled away from him. And you see those groups now, because they're not asking about, are you going to give me$5 ,000 on the other side of it? They're looking at what they're paying for gas. They're looking at what they're paying for groceries. They're looking at the expenditures that are going out of the national coffers in Iran. They don't understand what any of this is about, especially since he was a candidate who was critical of the way that the U.S. had become entangled in military situations abroad.

13:42And they don't want any more of it. And that is what I think is driving the concern and consternation on that side. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. And that's sort of why we're seeing this shakeout here, that the convention has become a funny kind of focus for their problems. Jelani and Congressman Crowley, thanks to both of you. coming up a story i mentioned that is only getting hotter the white house angry fox news fighting back even ousting a top maga ally the murdoch civil war we're going to get into that and tonight i have a live interview with the ai insider who's been driving all this anthropic news quitting in protest over what he says could be lethal danger that's later tonight and I'm back in 90 seconds.

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16:02We're back and we're going inside the midterm convention with MSNOW's Vaughn Hilliard on the ground in Dallas. Tell us what you're seeing. It's never ever worked. Yeah, Ari, for you and everybody that wasn't able to make it inside of this arena here in downtown Dallas, we're going to show you kind of what we're looking at. We anticipate Speaker Mike Johnson making his way here to the stage. Senator Ted Cruz of Texas just got off. In terms of the messaging, one of the lines that Ted Cruz just delivered was that 25 years after 9-11, communists and Islamists are coming together as one. This is a moment here where the president of the United States is trying to galvanize his base of support.

16:39You can see up in the rafters that just like last night, there's thousands of seats that remain empty despite the president repeatedly yesterday in his hour and 45 minutes worth of remarks saying that it was packed. It was just not. Tonight, he is going to be speaking right after J.D. Vance delivers the keynote address. We are told by the RNC that they are going to be, quote, unforgettable closing remarks. This is where each state has had a group of activists, folks that are not doing official party business, but there's actually an RNC fundraiser that is happening behind the scenes that Donald Trump just arrived for.

17:12It's a$250 ,000 per roundtable, $68 ,000 for a photo with Donald Trump here. So this is much more of a fundraising event, if you will, here. But we anticipate hearing from RFK, the health secretary here later, as well as J.D. Vance. We saw a number of the vulnerable House and Senate candidates already speak. I talked to Michael Watley, that North Carolina Republican that is running against Roy Cooper in North Carolina, Ari. And I asked him, I said, is it an advantage for you to be here? And he goes, yes, it's an advantage. I said, well, why? And then he went on to tell me, he said that it's my opportunity to speak to North Carolinians.

17:52Of course, I'll let everybody else make the determination of the extent to which this event, which had limited coverage in terms of reach, networks were not taking it on primetime last night, actually had that sort of an impact. But one in which there's a recognition that Donald Trump still controls the Republican Party and having his money and his support still means something if you're trying to win an election. Yeah, really interesting. Von Hilliard on the ground. Thank you so much. Now we turn to a related midterm storyline, but one that also reflects this issue Trump has had with waning power even in conservative circles.

18:27He's facing outright criticism on Fox News. You start by not gaslighting. The president made a mistake, in my opinion, last week saying we've got the greatest economy in the history of the world. Gasoline prices and mortgage rates, they're pissed off and they have every right to be upset. Continuing to bomb Iran and hope that it would force the regime to wave the white flag, it would flush the entire Trump agenda down the toilet. That would not only be a political tragedy, it would be really, really stupid. The Republican Party right now doesn't have it. No swag. They've lost their mojo. not a swag deficit.

19:12That's just some of what we've seen. And while the network, to be clear, is largely still very pro-Trump and Republican Party, there are cracks in the open view now with an escalating feud because Fox actually ousted one of their most pro-Trump voices, Maria Bartiromo. She, of course, spread debunked 2020 election misinformation. That was one of the issues that led to the historic$787 million settlement Fox had to reach over basically election defamation. And she was just fired after basically being seen by Fox as too close to the White House to the point of breaking their rules, sharing private editorial guidance.

19:55This made a lot of news because she shared with the White House that they were instructed to stay away from covering parts of Trump's new election claims in a primetime speech that could be misleading. And this all came about because White House aide Peter Navarro got that message circulated in the White House and then it got back to Fox. He says they're trying to muzzle her. These are cracks in MAGA and they speak to Donald Trump's political weakness. Forget whether he can fill the seats at the midterms. He can't even keep his MAGA allied voices on air at Fox News. And when he makes noise about it, he ends up losing an ally rather than the pressure working, at least the way they want it.

20:34And that brings us to a very newsworthy set of developments, including what Peter Navarro told us here at MS Now with a special guest, Margaret Carlson. Next.

20:52The firing of Fox host Maria Bartiromo after a Trump White House intervention has caused a huge rift within the party faithful. Trump trade advisor Peter Navarro just joined us to discuss what he's been saying, including calling for the firing of Fox's CEO. And we got some new disclosures out of him along the way. Here's a little bit of that new interview. I'll let you continue. Censorship. You say there's muzzling and crackdown about a time when you were away. Let me finish. Let me finish. Where you were on Fox News saying the thing. Now, whether there was feedback, yes, this is America. there's going to be public feedback.

21:32It's partly a retaliation story. What I'm hoping to achieve is to have Fox News cover the news correctly. Your claim, Peter, your claim is that it would... Hang on, let me just finish the thought. All right, just one second. Finish the thought. Fox, shut that down. Here's a short question. That is shameless. Here's a short... Do you want to live in a country, really, Peter, where the government is deciding what's on the air? From a constitutional view, they say, what kind of America is this? That's just some of our exchanges. I'm joined now by semaphores Margaret Carlson. Welcome back. Thank you, Ari.

22:09Nice to be here. Great to have you. This has been quite a story. It was in the New York Times and other big outlets because it's very unusual to have the government this involved. You had Fox pushing back. That's not a headline many people are used to seeing. Trump complains and Fox says, actually, we are going to completely fire and take off the air the person that you were sticking up for. So it's really been a strange one. I want to start with what we learned. So this is on the facts, not the law of what Mr. Navarro claims happened. Take a look. When she sent this to you, was it was her expectation that it would be confidential?

22:49There was no expectation of confidentiality. There was an expectation that the White House would be informed. What we had was a situation where Fox internally decided to do two things. Initially, it wasn't going to even live stream it. But more importantly, Ari, it sent out from Ralph Giordano, who's the executive producer, a dictate, basically, don't cover it, don't talk about it, we're not covering it. The only reason why it aired is because Sean Hannity, who's the bravest one at Fox, pushed hard to have it done. She ended up getting ousted. So did you kind of fail at the effort to support her within Fox?

23:34What I'm hoping to achieve is to have Fox News cover the news correctly with integrity. Margaret, what are we learning here about the Fox-Trump White House tension? Well, a few months ago, none of this would be happening because Fox News was doing what Peter Navarro would have it do, what the White House would have it do. But now we're in the upside down as far as they're concerned, which is what Fox News is deciding that should be covered is not what the White House in this instance thought should be covered. and therein lies the crime as far as Peter Navarro is concerned. And on Rhea Bartiromo, he ended up, whether he wanted to or not, he ratted her out because she got fired because of what he did.

24:30He owned up, Ari, like a lawyer, the lawyer you are, and like the lawyer I might have been but could never be because I couldn't have grilled him that way. he just kept sticking to a story that didn't that it was preposterous uh that he's saying the white house should cover the news with integrity i mean the white house yes the white house should decide the news but fox news should cover it with integrity but now it doesn't have integrity and suzanne scott should be fired not maria bartiromo i i mean i i i won't even say it again. It just it just doesn't hold water. And yet. Well, we'll show that that other part.