In short
Episode topic: Democrats’ election sweep (New Jersey, Virginia, and other races) is framed as a repudiation of MAGA/Trump, driven by pocketbook anger and strong turnout—especially among young voters and young women—plus a warning that Republicans may face wipeout in upcoming midterms.
Guest backgrounds
Molly Jong-Fast is a New York Times writer and MSNBC analyst, host of the Fast Politics podcast. Sen. Ed Markey is a Democratic U.S. senator from Massachusetts. Rachel John Faza is a researcher/writer focused on youth, culture, and politics; founder of The Up and Up.
Key claims
Republicans are panicked and underestimating voter anger; statewide shifts show counties moving more Democratic; polls underestimated youth/women turnout; Trump’s affordability message failed due to tariffs and high prices; shutdown/benefits and healthcare failures intensify backlash; Democrats can win by adopting youth-focused, authentic digital outreach.
Notable examples
71% spending more on groceries/utilities; 59% blame Trump for rising prices; Virginia counties “shifted blue”; SNAP funding ordered by a federal judge; young NYC voters boosted mayor-elect Mamdani (with ~78% of 20-somethings voting for him).
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Chapters
Tap a time to open that second in VORepublican Party's Electoral Disaster
0:43 to 2:53
Discussion on the recent electoral defeats faced by the Republican Party.
“their election lies, this sweep that began Tuesday is so clear and decisive that MAGA leaders are not trying that route.”
Analysis of Voting Trends
2:53 to 4:59
Analyzing changes in voter demographics and preferences favoring Democrats.
“The emphasis, though, in whatever colorful language you hear, on the right is facing their troubling reality in order to change it while they still have a chance.”
Statewide Races and Their Impact
4:59 to 6:46
Exploring the significance of statewide races and electoral data.
“Megyn Kelly talks about whether the Republicans have their, quote, daddy.”
Voter Sentiment Towards Trump
6:46 to 9:16
Examining how Trump's policies are affecting voter sentiment and behavior.
“Now, if this map were replicated in other states or around the country next year, it would be lights out for MAGA and the Republicans in the midterms.”
The Future of MAGA and GOP Strategies
9:16 to 12:30
Discussing the implications of recent losses for MAGA and GOP strategies moving forward.
“Grocery prices even jumping NPR reports, that frustrates consumers.”
Polls and Predictions: Understanding Voter Turnout
14:01 to 16:39
Learn how polling methods can misrepresent voter sentiment and turnout, particularly among youth and women.
“Cheryl added seven points to that, winning the state by 13.”
Economic Policies and Voter Sentiment
16:39 to 19:30
Discover how economic issues and Trump's policies influenced voter behavior in recent elections.
“In our in our report tonight, we showed that it's a big if and a year is a long time.”
Congressional Response to Voter Anger
19:30 to 22:10
Examine how Congress is reacting to the upset regarding healthcare and economic policies following the elections.
“The House of Representatives, under Republican leadership, they've been in a witness protection program for six weeks now.”
The Legality of Trump's Tariffs
22:10 to 24:22
Understand the legal arguments surrounding Trump's tariffs and the implications for Congressional authority.
“We are united in our opposition to Trump, Trump, Trump economics.”
Youth Engagement and the Future of Politics
27:35 to 28:00
Analyze the rise of young voters and how their engagement can reshape political landscapes.
“And usually across most of American history, young people do lean a little more left than right.”
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Youth Engagement in Elections
28:00 to 32:25
Explore how young voters impacted recent elections and their concerns.
“but they turned out in higher numbers, meaning they changed the entire electorate and made it a higher turnout race.”
Youth Engagement in Elections
33:22 to 33:50
Explore how young voters impacted recent elections and their concerns.
“Guard outdoor protection plan starting at$49.99 a month.”
Economic Concerns of Young Voters
33:55 to 42:01
Discussion on young voters' economic struggles and their electoral impact.
“Young people in particular are just unsettled.”
The Importance of Authentic Political Speech
42:01 to 42:51
Learn about the necessity for politicians to communicate authentically and effectively.
“But what you're saying is really important.”
Nancy Pelosi's Legacy in Congress
42:51 to 44:24
Explore Nancy Pelosi's historical role and significant achievements as Speaker of the House.
“I will not be seeking re-election to Congress.”
Pelosi's Leadership and Impact on the Democratic Party
44:24 to 46:06
Understand how Pelosi's leadership shaped the Democratic Party during critical political moments.
“And so while her tenure would have been historic with the Obama era alone, when Trump came along, she was seen as someone who could not only go toe-to-toe, but meme for me.”
Transcript
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1:12their election lies, this sweep that began Tuesday is so clear and decisive that MAGA leaders are not trying that route. Instead, they're facing the voters' rebuke as they sift through the wreckage. And Republican politicians like Ted Cruz clearly know their party will face this similar electorate in one year. And he also knows something very simple. Winning campaigns tend to address voters' realities, which right now are very negative on MAGA, rather than denying those realities. How are you feeling this morning? Like, yeah, I can relate. Look, last night was a disaster. Last night was a total and complete disaster.
1:59It was an electoral blowout. The results in New Jersey were disastrous. The results in Virginia were terrible. The margins are so large and Republicans lost across the board everywhere in every race. There's really no good news. You destroyed you, destroyed the Republican Party for a generation. The Republicans like to lose. They enjoy losing. Republicans did not have a good day. So anyone says, well, not really that, but no, it was bad. Republicans don't know how to win. They don't know who to run. They don't know what to do when he's not, when daddy's not there to fly them across the finish line.
2:37I don't think it was good for a Republican. The Republican Party needs to get it together. A-S-A-P. Get your blank together, quote unquote, because they don't know what to do when daddy's not there, quote unquote. There you have it. The emphasis, though, in whatever colorful language you hear, on the right is facing their troubling reality in order to change it while they still have a chance. Republicans are not just concerned that they lost those couple states or the races we've told you about. They're concerned about something much larger, something national, something that could wipe them out in future election or elections, plural.
3:19They are worried that these trends are real and will continue and wipe them out. In Congress, the Republican Party, remember, as I showed you earlier, is defending this tiny, narrow margin. That's all they got out of Trump on the ballot last year. He did win by a point and a half, but over in the House, he won so narrowly, and they've since hemorrhaged further in special elections, they can only afford to lose two seats. And this week, they lost races by double digits. Some Republican partisans first were trying to deflect, sort of on Tuesday night, a little bit Wednesday morning we heard this.
3:56They would argue that those governor's races were in blue-leaning states. Well, that talking point didn't have a very long half-life. It has now died by Thursday. Because the data comes in and people take a minute to sift through it. And the headlines you see that we go through on TV and the newspaper, underneath those headlines is a lot more data. And we will synthesize it for you. But it shows that basically the Republicans have a big problem. And that Democrats are doing much better with voters than they did just one year ago, specifically with the voters that decide national races. Democrats winning with dramatic gains among the people who have drifted back to the Republican Party last year.
4:40And that includes, as Axios points out, black, Latino and young voters. Dems also won a majority of women voters and nearly half the men who voted. Okay, so you take half plus more than half. Well, that's everybody. Okay, but it also is important because it cuts into the gender gap that had hurt them last year. Megyn Kelly talks about whether the Republicans have their, quote, daddy. That's the way she phrased it. Well, without their, quote, daddy, as she would put it, or without, as I would put it, the president on the ballot, they have a gender gap that's going the other way. Now, the other thing that we saw was while there were some select races, like I told you about the race in Mississippi, local races, the other thing about anything statewide is it matters more than a house district or a special election.
5:30We've had, remember, everyone said, oh, this week is the first big set of races, but we've had some other races across this year, but they were in specific districts. districts, as you know, are drawn. We have these debates about gerrymandering and redistricting. It's a small pocket. When you get statewide data, though, that's a whole other thing. And the night of, we're telling you about the wins. We tell you double digits. But as the days go on, everyone, the politicos, the data nerds, the journalists, everyone starts going in. And statewide races give you a ton more information. They explain why someone like Ted Cruz is so panicked because here's some statewide information.
6:10Almost every single county in Virginia went more blue. Now, this is one of those charts that's a little wonky, right? It's not as dramatic as a red-blue map of the whole country, but the arrows that are blue are good news for the Democrats. And in a different year, like last year, we would have had a lot more red arrows and it would have been a balance. What you see here, if you don't want to call it a blue wave, you can call it a blue shift in that state in just about every county. You can see those shifts across the terrain. They say numbers don't lie. But in electoral politics, maps don't lie either.
6:46Now, if this map were replicated in other states or around the country next year, it would be lights out for MAGA and the Republicans in the midterms. That's if the trends hold. Now, White House Republican veteran Karl Rove notes that the voters' decisions Tuesday were certainly a result of their disapproval of Trump. Several people close to him had been saying privately the warning signs are everywhere, Axios reports in their behind-the-curtain coverage. Before the election, polls showed a clear, consistent backlash against almost everything Trump is doing. Politico reporting it bluntly, Trump enters his lame duck era.
7:34Oh, snap. If the term lame duck is familiar, we have reported on the perils of lame duck Trump on this program, On the Beat, for weeks. And the reason we've reported on that is based on the evidence. There were signs that he was fading. There were signs that Republicans, including we saw Steve Bannon, were nervous about this. And there were signs in the way that our constitutional system works, much as Donald Trump might not like it, there will be no third term. It's unconstitutional. So he is a lame duck who's not going to be on the ballot again. And our constitution breaks up all of these different races on purpose.
8:16So senators serve a longer term than the president. They serve these six-year terms. which means they are incentivized to look at their own job security and careers for what politics will be doing not just this week or in the midterms but in the years ahead beyond this term of this lame duck president and what they're seeing from Ted Cruz to Megyn Kelly to Steve Bannon to everyone I showed you is it's going down and it may not have bottomed out yet then there are Trump's broken vows he didn't campaign on masked ICE agents he talked about going and getting criminal immigrants, but he didn't campaign on mass dice agents or troops in the street or a lot of the other stuff he's been doing.
8:59It's only been a year, but it's almost forgettable that he spent last year in the home stretch, September, October, and this ending month of November, promising to get prices under control to fight inflation. And a year in, voters think he failed. Grocery prices even jumping NPR reports, that frustrates consumers. You can't hide that. You can't spin that. Gas prices, just as high as they were about a year ago. Trump is out making false statements about all that, and I'm not airing those in this report, but even his rush to mislead on those topics tells you those topics are important, and he wants to change the narrative around the truth that high prices matter, and the mass ICE agents and the federal troops, with all the attention they get, they don't make people think the prices are lower.
9:47I told you numbers don't lie. I showed you where the prices are. Now back to why they don't lie. 71 % of people say they're spending more on groceries and utilities than a year ago. By definition, that includes a ton of people who voted for Donald Trump last year. 59 % more specifically blame him for the rising prices. Remember, he came in at about 49, 50%. 59 % blame him for the prices. They lose the midterms if that number is even 52 or 53 nationwide against Republican policies a year from this week. Now, when Trump saw that Republicans lost, he bemoaned the shutdown. And we're now seeing growing delays, lines at the airports, that grinds on.
10:28Trump administration planning to further reduce flights by about 10 % at the major airports in the country. Utility bill prices may go up further. Federal funding is on hold for a$4 billion program that helps people pay heating bills. And when you look at how they want to play the shutdown, Trump was trying to only release a minority, if any, of the food aid. So more people might go hungry. Well, late news, late in the day today, a federal judge rebuking Trump, ordering them to fully fund those benefits, at least for this month. MAGA leaders who thought they were on the rise or they had some new permanent alignment, who thought Democrats were going to continue to shut down, who thought even that the autocratic efforts by Trump to censor and change how people learn about the news from gas prices to mass agents, who thought that they could silence or scare the comics, cancel some shows, buy some media, and all of that would change the fundamentals to say nothing of the law firms and universities.
11:28Well, here we are a year later, and suddenly they're learning a Ferris Bueller rule over at the Trump White House and beyond. Life moves pretty fast.
11:44Yep. I said it before and I'll say it again. Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while. You could miss it.
12:01Oh, yeah. Life moves fast. The young Mr. Bueller may have been talking about appreciating what's going on and why sometimes you got to take a day off and enjoy yourself. Well, right now, Democrats look like they're going to be taking a lot of days on because they have a new formula and blueprint that even the biggest MAGA voices say could wipe them out sooner rather than later. We'll be back with our guests and you. I'll be back with you in just 90 seconds.
12:34The Democrats swept all the major races across. Let's just say for Trump, it was a huge kick in the ballroom. You know what I'm saying? Today, Democrats are walking around with a spring in their step like a divorced mom in her 40s whose new haircut just got her carted at two different bars. That's the vibe. Late night on the election results. We're joined by Molly Dongfast from The New York Times, an MSNBC analyst and host of the Fast Politics, podcasts talk about life moves pretty fast. Yes, it does. You see? That's right. It all fits in. I mentioned the talking points that died quickly this week because there was a little, you know, stutter step in politics.
13:14Sometimes people say, well, you know, you want to act like you're winning at the end. You want to act like if you lost, it wasn't that bad. That's not what Megyn Kelly and Ted Cruz are saying. They're acknowledging this is a problem they got to fix for their party. They got shellacked. You know, it's funny because I was in New Jersey covering the Mikey Sherrill race and I was talking to a national political reporter who was saying, well, you know, the polls are tightening. She's just not an effective candidate. And I said, well, the polls show her up seven to 10 points. So where are they? But you did see some like and you see this with sort of these Republican, more Republican leaning pollsters.
13:52Sometimes they'll flood with junk polls. And some of the polls had her up just one point or two points. Now, you'll remember in New Jersey, Harris won by six. Cheryl added seven points to that, winning the state by 13. Yeah. And look, polls are a prediction about who's going to turn out. Right. So if you have a national approval poll, I always remind people, and we don't show a lot of these horse race polls because we don't find them to be very reliable. If you have a national approval poll of all Americans, then you have a relatively small margin of error. And you're saying Americans are against, for example, this current president.
14:27He's mired below 40. As soon as you start polling the state of Virginia and then you say, let's sample it, meaning change the numbers for who we think will turn out. Now you're basically in a statistical prediction. It's not the same as someone making it up, but it ain't, like I said, a pure poll. And so you're pointing out that the reason Democrats here were under credited in those polls was most pollsters didn't think that youth turnout and and some of the other women turnout, et cetera, would be as high. Yeah. And the youth turnout. And I think this is really important because when we talk about the New York mayors, there's he has a huge youth coalition.
15:05But when you look at actually Virginia, New Jersey, we had that, too. We had a lot of youth turnout. And the story of the night, of course, is we spent so much time focusing on young men and young men going to the right. And and but young women are a force to be reckoned with. And they do not like Donald J. Trump. They don't like Trump. People don't like the Trump second term. That's quoting the numbers we showed. And then you have this sort of reaction thing. You know, Trump has been under polled in the past. But boy, when there's a mistake, he sues the pollster. People freak out. You look up three months later and on your algorithm, you still got people complaining about it as if he was wronged by this poll.
15:46Are we going to have three months of that for these Democrats? Because they were underpolled. Right. Well, and I also think it's important to realize, like, Donald Trump came in like he had some kind of huge mandate and he started doing stuff that was remember, he ran. He said, I'm going to make things cheaper. I'm going to run on affordability. I mean, that was his message. Bacon. Remember the weave? He would do this weave on bacon. And what did he do? We love the weave. Right, the weave. But what did he do? He came in and he put tariffs on, which made everything more expensive. And then, I mean, and it was like, and just from there, he went on to, you know, bombing boats in the Caribbean.
16:20These are things nobody wanted from him. You know, he had said he was going to run on affordability. And I think that, you know, then demolishing the East Wing, you know. Didn't help. Didn't help. Didn't help. Hang with me. I want to bring in from the Washington perspective here, Democratic Senator Ed Markey from Massachusetts. Good evening. How are you? Great to see you. Thank you. Great to have you. How is this playing in Congress? In our in our report tonight, we showed that it's a big if and a year is a long time. But Republicans seem panicked that if these trends from Tuesday held, they would be wiped out in Congress.
17:01they would be totally wiped out. We would not only win the House of Representatives overwhelmingly, we could very well win the United States Senate as well. That's what happened on Tuesday night. There's a complete underestimation by the experts of how angry the American people are right now. Their health care prices are skyrocketing. Their electricity prices are skyrocketing. The price of food is skyrocketing. The price of clothing is skyrocketing. People went to the ballot box, but they voted with their pocketbook. These are kitchen table issues. And Donald Trump and his economic policy were completely repudiated on Tuesday night across the country, across all demographics and across all of expert opinion.
17:47They just did not see this happening. And so, yes, this is a preview of coming attractions for the Republican Party. if they refuse to come back and talk about health care, talk about affordability, talk about the issues that the American people really care about. And so far, what Donald Trump is saying is we have to talk about affordability more. That's what he said yesterday. Yeah, he's talking the talk, but they're not walking the walk. And the American people can see that. And that's how they voted on Tuesday night. Yeah, and affordability is sort of the big stuff, the macroeconomics. There's also just straight up what the government can do.
18:23and we saw what voters kind of wanted on that. This is now going to be the longest shutdown ever. He was fighting, the president was fighting to have more hunger, not less, to have food insecurity rather than food security. He's now lost this court battle. I have a headline, could change because people know there's appeals, but a federal judge ordering Trump to fully fund the food benefits and rebuking the administration for trying to basically do partial benefits. What do you see as the outlook on the shutdown? And what do you say to your Democratic colleagues who might waver? Because Trump himself seems to think it hurt them on Tuesday.
19:05So you are right. A federal district court judge in Rhode Island ruled today that Donald Trump must feed the 42 million Americans who need the SNAP benefits. and Trump so far has been refusing to do that. If you kick him in the heart, you're going to break your toe. The same thing is true on healthcare. That was completely repudiated on Tuesday night, the healthcare policy of Donald Trump. There are 22 million Americans who are going to lose their healthcare coverage or see dramatic 25, 50, 75 % increase in their healthcare premiums that they have to pay without the tax credits that are still out there with the Republicans refusing to negotiate on.
19:48The House of Representatives, under Republican leadership, they've been in a witness protection program for six weeks now. They refuse to even come to Washington to talk about this health care crisis that's looming. I talked to a man in Natick, Massachusetts on Saturday. Right now, he pays$30 ,000 for his drug coverage for his cancer. He will pay$300 ,000 a year if the Republicans don't come back to Washington And there's 22 million other Americans just like him. So that's what they're facing right now. Anger across the board because of the Republicans' refusal to deal with the real issues that affect real people in their kitchens.
20:26So, Senator, you sound committed. You sound energized. And from what I can tell, these are a bunch of the topics you want to talk about tonight. This is the beat. So sometimes we ask politicians about topics they don't want to talk about. But your leader, Chuck Schumer, never endorsed a Democratic candidate in New York City. You know, that's unusual. That candidate is now mayor elect and changed the turnout model. Young voters, highest turnout in the city since 1969. We know it's a big 10 and people disagree. But what do you say to Chuck Schumer and the parts of the Democratic establishment at this point who seem to be resisting what is part of the process.
21:08In other words, you might disagree with him on a bunch of issues, but if a candidate wins the primary, they're the nominee. Then they become mayor-elect. And it seems like Schumer and perhaps others, you tell us, are kind of behind the step of the voters here. Does that need to be sort of right-sized? Well, I endorsed mayor-elect Mondami myself. Sure. I congratulated him on his victory back in the primary, and I've endorsed him in the general election. But do you think your leader was... I'm all on board. But you think your leader... And I will say this. Do you think Chuck Schumer... I'll refine it.
21:42Do you think Chuck Schumer was out of stats? Look, we're united. The Democratic caucus is united. We're taking on the Republicans on health care, on affordability, on the tariffs, on electricity prices, on every one of these issues. We are united. We are taking it to them. And when John Thune brings that vote out tomorrow morning to open up the government without dealing with the health care crisis, we are going to vote no once again. We are united in our opposition to Trump, Trump, Trump economics. We are going to get to tariffs. I'll get to tariffs as well. Division. But we run out of time. I have to say, fact check.
22:26I don't think Chuck Schumer and the mayor elect are united. They're from the same state. And that's gotten some attack. I mean, this isn't a media thing. That's like a real thing. But we got your answer on that. Before I lose you, I know that you and others are fired up about the tariffs. I want to play what sounded like skeptical questioning. Take a listen of the Trump plan in the Supreme Court. We have never applied it to foreign affairs, but this is a tariff. This is a tax. It is a it is a if I may, it's a foreign facing regulation of foreign commerce. The vehicle is imposition of taxes on Americans, and that has always been the core power of Congress.
23:04What would prohibit Congress from just abdicating all responsibility to regulate foreign commerce, for that matter, declare war, to the president? So in the minute we have left, your views on that hearing, and is the White House wrong? Is this a tax? Is it a bad idea at this point? A revolution began in Massachusetts 250 years ago. And what the colonists were saying was no taxation without representation. We want to have a vote. We want our congressmen, our senators to have a vote. We don't want King George deciding what the T-tax is, what the SAMP tax is. So that was the revolution. And we are now having a latter-day revolution against Donald Trump's attempt to illegally usurp power from the Congress to tax.
23:54And I was over there in the Supreme Court yesterday. I sat there. The arched eyebrows of some of the Republican-nominated justices, they were going so high they were hitting the ceiling, their arched eyebrows. So the skepticism towards the Republican Solicitor General was absolute. No, this is a tariff is a tax. Only Congress can impose taxes. And Donald Trump does not have the legal right to do so. So he should be ready to get a kick in the behind from the Supreme Court because it's arriving in the very near future. Yeah. Senator Markey, on more than one topic, thanks for joining us tonight. Great to be with you.
24:36Thank you. Absolutely. Appreciate it. Molly Jong-Fast stays with me. We turn to Nancy Pelosi's historic career as she finally takes a bow.
24:48Best speakers, the House of Representatives of Everhead, Speaker Nancy Pelosi. That's by the end of the hour. But up next, we turn to that same friction, that excitement, call it even a tension that you saw with the senator there. This man, he may not be the face of the Democratic Party, but he's the mayor-elect of New York, one of the youngest politicians in the country to lead a city. We're going to talk about him and his playbook for young voters that could help the Dems in the midterms next.
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27:31And some of it was valid because Democrats had clearly lost a step. And usually across most of American history, young people do lean a little more left than right. But the economics, the other things that were going on, a lot of it looks different a year later. And it's clear that young people and even young men are not signing up with everything MAGA has to offer. Look at the shift. New York City is, of course, a liberal place, but young voters turned out in droves not only for now mayor-elect Mamdani, but they turned out in higher numbers, meaning they changed the entire electorate and made it a higher turnout race.
28:11That's something that Trump benefited from once upon a time, but Democrats might adopt the playbook. his rise buoyed by a savvy campaign. It was cultural, it was online, and it was always, pretty authentically speaking, inclusively, to include the younger generation. Hey guys, it's Tuesday. Please sign up to Canvas. We are doing a scavenger hunt across New York City tomorrow. Freezing. You're a wreck as the next fairy of New York City. Let's plunge into the detail. it's not just a question of who's on the ballot but what's on the ballot take the most expensive city in the united states of america and make it affordable if you're a young new yorker it's easy to feel like your voice doesn't matter politicians don't take you or your concerns seriously and to quote another young man who was at least a young man once upon a time the times they are a changing so for folks watching those videos saying i i don't know why he's jumping in the water or the polar bear thing or other things.
29:13That's fine. It's not necessarily for everyone. There are still traditional debates, traditional TV interviews. Mr. Ramamdani did plenty of those. But there are also now other ways to communicate. And the Times reports on that because this campaign faced Gen Z loneliness. These young people, whether they like it or not, are often, quote, addicted to their screens, also strapped for cash, spiritually unmoored, socially stunted by the pandemic. Young New Yorkers needed a reason to get out of the house. They found it. And this mayor will run. And they write, the social buoyancy of his campaign wasn't just for show.
29:46Young people turned up and voted. The final weekend of early voting, seeing nearly 100 ,000 voters under 35, and the votes mattered. Early election polling shows 78 percent, I mean, that is bananas, of people in their 20s voted for Mom Donnie. And again, And a point we showed you earlier in the week, Cuomo, who has a history in Democratic politics and with this city of New York and the state of New York, of course, he still won all voters over 45. There are other years where the turnout universe is more older voters. And in a year like that, Cuomo might have won. That's an important point that has still not fully sunk in.
30:26We were just talking about this with a Democratic senator who backed Mom Donnie, even though the Democratic leader, Schumer, in his home state of New York, never did. And there may be many reasons that they disagree on many things. But I don't think they disagree on the fact that Democrats will need more voters to turn out than did a year ago. So if you compare the Harris coalition nationally to what happened on Tuesday, not just in New York, but in the other states, well, Democrats want this week's version. Young voters turned out for those Democrats in New Jersey and Virginia as well. and many of those, of course, are more moderate and have less baggage rhetorically than the New York mayor-elect.
31:03These younger voters, whether you call them 20-somethings or Gen Z or soon-to-be Gen Alpha, many of them, just like you, if you happen to be older than them, or just like the young Bob Dylan I mentioned, many of them, however they communicate and how much tech they have, you'll find a lot of them are concerned about the exact same things that other people and sometimes other liberals have been throughout the years. I'm here to represent the younger generation. Be out here, vote, you know, practice your rights. Rent is too high, and it's just like everything costs way too much these days. I'm first generation, and honestly, like everything, it's just not right.
31:47I'm hopeful for Zaron's campaign. There's pain and anxiety out there, and there's also hope. Now there's a Gen Z reporter, Rachel John Faza Who notes that Mom Donnie, like Trump last year Did resonate with some young voters Because in a world that feels broken Young people want something to vote for Not just against To resonate with Gen Z You need a clear vision for the future If this election proves anything It's that listening and truly understanding Where your community is at is key Rachel, that writer I just quoted Joins us next along with Molly Jong Fast We'll be right back
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34:15Otherwise, we're going to lose them. I think that there are some warning signs here for young voters for 2026, even 2028, depending on the performance of the Trump administration. Young voters up for grabs. We're back with Molly Jong-Fast and Rachel John Faza, a researcher and writer who focuses on the youth, culture and politics, and does the research firm The Up and Up. She's the founder of that online publication. Welcome. Thank you for having me. What happened? So when you look at the data from the exit polls from Tuesday night, my glaring takeaway is that the story of the night was young women.
34:48And on the whole, young voters, yes, back to the Democratic candidates. But we know that this gender divide exists and Democrats did perform better with young men than they had in 2024. But the margin by how much young women supported the Democratic candidates as compared to young men is stark. That's my main takeaway. Yeah, I mean, it's funny because we spent so much time with these like young men going to Trump and the story of like young men going to Trump. And Trump did. And I was watching that montage before and I was thinking about like the things Trump promised young voters. Remember, he did sneakers.
35:24Right. He did crypto. He went on podcasts and he worked at McDonald's. So it wasn't like he promised them deliverables in any kind of way. I mean, I guess he said he would make things cheaper. But I do think the affordability message resonates, especially in a country that has so much inflation. Well, in fairness, he he did promise them gold sneakers. You just had to buy them. Right. As with so many Trump promises. I want to show the headlines, though. I take your point on on women and Democrats have historically done better there. But young men did go towards Trump in 24. And maybe, as I mentioned, maybe it was overhyped.
36:00But you had the Manosphere, you had the podcast, Why Gen Z Embrace Trump. They were talking about it months later. That's a March headline from the Journal. You turn to these races, and again, not just in New York City, where it was 67%, so that was especially high, but the Democrats in these other states, this is a majority of male voters under 30. Yeah. So I've written these headlines about young men in Trump, and this was a very real thing in the 2024 election. But I hold listening sessions with groups of young people across the country. And what I'm hearing from young men is that they're really frustrated by their economic situation right now.
36:36They were also frustrated by it in 2024. And at the time, Trump promised that he was going to fix the economy and make it better. And, you know, we're here we are now a year later. And that's not the case. And so I think really the story of Tuesday, beyond the fact that young women showed up in these strikingly strong margins, is that across the board, young people are feeling really pressed economically. They're struggling with affordability, rent. They're looking at the job market. They're being told that AI is coming for their jobs. And they're really scared. And they're looking for answers.
37:09And the Democratic candidates ran on that across the board here in New York City, but also in New Jersey and Virginia, too. And it worked. And anyone, any candidate who's looking to resonate with young people should take a learning from that for 2026 and 28. Right. So that's what they're going through. And if anything, that relates heavily to other age brackets as well. Yep. Then there's how they perceive life. We know they came up as the so-called digital generation. They're on their phones more. They're using traditional media less. Where does that figure it? Because we can't ignore that Trump in his way and Mamdani in his way both seem to, I mean, I say authentically, it's hard to say a reality star is authentic, but he was consistent and he got a lot of internet attraction, Trump did.
37:57and here you see the person popping up isn't just some old school populist. It's someone who, as we just showed in our setup, was quite adept at the screens that are their home base. Yep. I actually think there are a lot of similarities between the campaign that Trump ran and the campaign that Mom Donnie ran, and I've written about this a bit, but they are both promising at the end of the day to make life better for young people, and you mentioned the various ways in which they're doing it. Similar to Trump, Zarn Mom Donnie went on every show. So he took every opportunity to connect with all people, but young people in particular.
38:30And he was willing to have the conversations. He went on some of the same podcasts that Trump is, like the flagrant podcast. And he was great on it. And he delivered a master class in traversing the digital ecosystem. So let me jump in because Trump likes that. There's evidence that he would rather be doing interviews than work. A lot of Democrats were very hesitant. And in 24, it was considered a big deal when Harris even dabbled in a friendly young podcast, which so what? But they didn't really get her out in the other ones. And as you say, Mom Donnie, to his credit, engaged all kinds of folks.
39:04He also did Fox News, some folks may remember. Do you think the Democrats should heed his example? Because that would involve changing the sort of D.C. Schumer-Harris axes. 100 percent. The number one thing young people want is to feel like they're talking to a human being who can relate to them, who can sit across the table and have a real conversation or a couch if it's a podcast or, you know, just like film a normal video on their phone. And a lot of times the Democrats have come off as very rehearsed, very staged, very scripted. And that's not what Gen Z is used to. Gen Z is used to really off the cuff.
39:37I talk about how there's two Gen Zs, Gen Z 1.0 and 2.0 split by how old you are. There's always a 2.0. It's us. But Gen Z 2.0 grew up with TikTok. And TikTok is the point is that it's off the cuff. It's clips. It's pithy. It's punchy. There's specific language that's used on it. And if you're not if you don't know how to do that, if you're not using it in a way that is authentically you, you're not going to resonate. And they don't have to try to use the language that Gen Z uses. They have to just be themselves, but be on the platforms for Gen Z. No, I don't think echoing language you don't know how to use is very effective in any room, let alone in politics.
40:13Molly did have a question that she was sort of embarrassed to ask, so she wanted me to ask it on her behalf. Okay. Molly wanted to ask you, though, when it's all said and done, did the Mom Donnie campaign slap? Yeah. Yes, I always am asking about things slapping, and I am always a little embarrassed, so I'm glad you— So then she had a follow-up in journalism, and that's quite common. And then she wanted to know, was it lit? Well, I think maybe that word is not used as much anymore. So Molly, so that's out. So lit is over. However, I'm a little... What word is used, would you say? Glazed. No, that's different.
40:52That's different. No, I don't... Are we embarrassing you? No, I mean, the word of last year was riz. You could say that Mom Donnie has riz, but that's kind of not really used anymore either. We don't want to romanticize him per se. I mean, that's... It's not romanticizing. But he has charisma. He has a charismatic gut. I got one. I got one. I heard that the polling was high enough. It could reach like six, seven.
41:19Do you get that one? Yes, I do. Because I have kids. Hold on, Ray. Don't listen. You have to stand up and say that was lame. That's not how I see it. Yeah, go ahead. Do it. No, no. Go do it. You're not going to do it? No, but look. I know we're old. No, you're not. I think that everyone just like in trying to use a language that you think Gen Z uses, like everyone, this is not a monolithic generation. Everyone talks a different way. What people want to see is what feels real and authentic. And it's not some canned, this is what you're supposed to say to resonate with Gen Z. Here's a meme. And you're not on this show all the time.
41:53But also, I was joking. He was joking. And he is hilarious. But also. Well, you don't have to go that far. I tell a lot of bad jokes. I find him funny. But what you're saying is really important. It's something that Ari and I talk all the time about, which is this idea. It's all we talk about. Is the veepification of speech. We need politicians, especially Democratic politicians, to speak English sentences. Look, I'm going to just, because it's television, we don't know who got it or didn't. I was doing a meta commentary. Yes. Hang on. On that. Yes. Correct. But when it is authentic to the person, it's great.
42:28Yes. And one thing we noticed, not only about his campaign, but just several of the winners, they went out and did their thing. Right. So if you're a woman veteran and you're tapping that and explaining why that people like, OK, I learned about I respect that. And that sounds very different than I mean, I hadn't seen anyone jump in the freezing cold water into the polar bear swim. If you can pull it off, it's it's arresting. Now, we're out of time. Molly, Rachel, thanks to both of you. We'll be right back. Yeah. I will not be seeking re-election to Congress. With a grateful heart, I look forward to my final year of service as your proud representative.
43:08Nancy Pelosi making it official there. The former speaker says she will not run for office again. She was the first female Speaker of the House in the history of the United States, taking up that position in 2007. And then she won the gavel back in 2019 when Democrats took the majority. And over four decades, she made her mark in many ways. In January, Nancy Pelosi will become the most powerful woman in America. She will assume office as the first ever female Speaker of the House. Today, with the passage of the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, the bill is passed. One of the best speakers the House of Representatives have ever had.
43:53Speaker Nancy Palacios. Democrats in Congress sending President Biden a critical win. The motion is adopted. Capping a string of legislative victories. You definitely are the most effective speaker we've ever had. The hours come for a new generation to lead the Democratic caucus. Remember, Democrats in Washington aren't known for always saluting their leaders. they often kind of eat their own. What you heard in those brief quotes there was repeated a lot. Many saw Pelosi as uniquely able to not only lead the party, but evolve. And so while her tenure would have been historic with the Obama era alone, when Trump came along, she was seen as someone who could not only go toe-to-toe, but meme for me.
44:39There were the videos of her putting on her sunglasses after walking out of the White House, bringing the energy. There was a clip that launched so many more memes because, as you know, in the internet, people take the glasses or the way she seemed to ferociously clap at him with a hint of petty. And then, as if outdoing her own internet resonance, she lets you know exactly what she thought of the speech as prepared, ripping it as she stood behind the president. There was also her challenging Trump in real day-to-day work at the White House. That's beyond the memes and the symbolism. She fought him on women's rights, on human rights, on immigration, on health care.
45:27She mixed the type of necessary communication we were just discussing earlier in the program that matters in an internet culture with real hardcore political and policy strength. Pelosi's departure also is something of a sea change. There's been a lot of talk about a changing of the guard. Three of the four politicians known from the now very famous New Yorker cover about aging politicians who are at their walkers but staying in office. You'll notice three of them have now officially stepped aside. The one in the back, well, he just got a rejection from the voters, but he remains our elderly elected president.
46:06We'll be right back. Thanks for joining.
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