New Trove of Epstein Files Released

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0:44Or Kelly and Jana, who were way overdue for a night out. Because sometimes comfort comes from having another woman with you. Request women drivers with women preferences on Uber. Learn more on the Uber app. Welcome to The Beat. We begin with these new Epstein files. Thousands of new pages past the deadline. We have covered the illegal cover-up since most documents have not been met by the deadline. But what we have now are new emails, investigator notes, new witness accounts, as well as material that goes well beyond some of what was in the DOJ's first release. Before we get into any of the context and the wider legal ramifications, Let me tell you highlights of what are in these files.

1:29New flight records, newly revealed prosecutor notes, documentation of Donald Trump traveling with Epstein to a degree that even the people inside the DOJ at the time, people with knowledge of the case, found to be a, quote, surprise. More jet travel with Epstein than they knew at the time. A subpoena that was sent to Mar-a-Lago during the Maxwell probe. It was seeking records. That itself is not completely incriminating for Mar-a-Lago, but it's new. You could see why they wanted to hide it. Here's the Washington Post headline on what is now another day of Epstein file dumps. Quote, second batch of Epstein files with many mentions of Trump.

2:10Here's a conservative paper, the Examiner, that says some of the new files include Trump's name, which is putting it mildly, or Mediate, which is read widely in East Coast media circles, the five most shocking Trump mentions in the latest batch of Epstein docs. This is Shaking Up DC. Overnight, under pressure, the Department of Justice releasing thousands more Jeffrey Epstein files, the most substantial dump of documents so far, tips about President Trump's degree of involvement with Jeffrey Epstein. Then this email mentioning President Trump from a federal prosecutor on a flight that Trump and Epstein were on.

2:49A flight that Trump and Epstein were on. Would be two possible witnesses in a Maxwell case? In a Maxwell criminal case. This group includes an awful lot of references to Trump in the paperwork.

3:04Reporters, other people interested, obviously the members of Congress who demanded this by law have been going through this. At MSNOW, we had people burning the midnight oil, even though it is, of course, a holiday week, as they went through these files trying to verify, trying to make sense of it. Again, we're going to go through these new documents that include that subpoena I mentioned. It was in 2021, pretty recent, that it was sent to Mar-a-Lago and was part of the open case against Maxwell. Of course, the investigations of Maxwell have traversed multiple administrations. There's a photo of Trump with her.

3:35We don't know the context of that, but there it is. There are emails from a federal prosecutor about Trump flying on the Epstein jet, writing, Trump traveled on Epstein's private jet many more times than previously has been reported. That's Jan 2020. And they note Trump was listed as a passenger on eight flights in the 90s, including four flights where Maxwell was also present. They noted a flight in 93, Trump and Epstein were the only two listed passengers. On another, there were three passengers. The other individual besides the deceased trafficker Epstein and the current President Trump was a 20-year-old, name redacted.

4:14Now, you can see why a politician might not want any of that spilling out. On the other hand, those pieces of evidence, those references, do not in themselves implicate Donald Trump in a crime or wrongdoing. And that's important to note, given all the interest and some of the salacious details here. The files also have a letter that is purported to have been written by Epstein. So it's in these files to a serial sex abuser, Larry Nassar. I want to tell you tonight, Trump's DOJ says that while the letter was in the files, right, the letters and emails in these files are not obviously automatically true.

4:52And we've had more disclosure than usual in this case. And one of the things we've mentioned, our guests have mentioned, is sometimes people think when something is overexposed, that means guilt by association. That's not always the case. Now, some of this was reported by 2023 by the AP, but not in the same detail. This is postmarked three days after Epstein's death, August 2019 there. MSNOW hasn't confirmed the authenticity. So what I'm telling you is this is in the files. You may hear about it, but that doesn't mean that it's a true thing. Just as we've had past emails from Epstein and others making accusations about Trump.

5:28That is not itself criminal evidence of wrongdoing. It tells you about what's in some of these files. It might tell you about threats or blackmail that aren't based on the truth. And I want you to know the statement here, they've confirmed the alleged letter from Epstein to Nassar, is, quote, fake, is what DOJ is saying tonight. Again, this is how transparency is supposed to work. Let the people see and add context. Some of these documents contain untrue and sensationalist claims made against Trump, they go on to say, discussing that as unfounded and false. Now, Trump's DOJ can, of course, add that context.

6:03What has been requested and now mandated under law is more information, not less. more documents, not hiding documents, and then you can add context. The DOJ's handling of this release is peculiar. Those files posted yesterday were available for hours, then they were removed at 8 p.m., then they were reposted around midnight, which gives you an idea of what it's like to work at Trump's DOJ in this Christmas week. The files also reveal an email from an investigator who said they had a photo of Trump with Maxwell while searching Bannon's phone. Again, that's interesting to state the least. The investigator included the photo, but that was redacted.

6:36There was an uproar over the photos removed from the DOJ's website, which were also then restored. If you see from the headlines and the point here, this has been a bungled operation and at times an illegal cover-up. That's just the facts tonight. Now, one of the photos was inside Epstein's home and it had that Trump image as part of a personal collection. You see it there. Of all the things that have come out in this Epstein story, what you see the arrow pointing at is not exactly the worst thing for Donald Trump in terms of public embarrassment. And yet they took it down and then put it back up.

7:08Survivors have been speaking out. I am no longer supporting this administration. I am so disgusted with this administration. I think that Pam Bondi and Kash Patel both need to resign. And I would love to see number 47 get impeached over this. We went from, you know, very happy, very excited where we've reached somewhere to now being very disappointed. It's come to the point where we can't even trust our government. Those are the voices of survivors. They can't trust their government even after they led a actual movement, I don't know what else you would call it, of survivors and their allies and others interested in truth in the story, as well as a bipartisan coalition in Congress.

7:53And that movement went from, hey, you're never going to see anything and get a vote, to forcing a vote to forcing the president to sign that law because they already had a veto-proof majority. The voices of the survivors you hear have achieved a lot this year as we end in this odd Christmas week, this Epstein document dump week. They've achieved a lot, but you can see their work's not done. They're still pressing because what we're witnessing in real time, as we've been reporting since Friday night, is an illegal cover-up in plain sight, a bungled cover-up, problems with posting, taking down, reposting, redactions, putting up slices of material and then adding real-time tweets about it as if they haven't had all this time to prepare.

8:38And so what you see there is a DOJ and more widely a Trump administration under pressure. It doesn't look organized because it's not. It doesn't look honest because as we've reported on the evidence in many times and cases, it has not been honest. And the survivors and the Congress that has pushed this, they've made it clear they are not done with this administration, even if everyone takes a couple of days off at the end of the year. We've got Molly and Margaret here when we're back together in 90 seconds.

9:09We're trying to get justice for all of them and all of us, but it just seems like every time we think we're in the right step in the right direction, the government goes and does something else and lets us down. And this should have been cut and dry once again. And it wasn't. And it's just a circle of abuse. And I think everyone also forgets that when we're going through this continuously, that this is an emotional and re-traumatizing all the time. And this is not just re-traumatizing of what happened to us. We're being re-traumatized by our government.

9:47We have been hearing from many different survivors there. That was on Lawrence O'Donnell's program. Important points we wanted to make sure you heard. I'm joined now by New York Times writer Molly Jong-Fass and semaphores of Margaret Carlson. Molly, your thoughts tonight? Yeah, I was glad that victim talked about being re-traumatized because I think that's a real phenomenon we're seeing happen here. And the truth is the federal government should be protecting these women. They have been failed by five different administrations, nonpartisan. Both Republicans and Democrats have failed these women.

10:20And it feels and again, we don't know, but it certainly looks like the DOJ is spending a lot more time protecting Donald Trump than protecting these women. And I think that even just that fact is so damning because their job should be to protect these women, to find justice for them, to make sure that the men accountable are prosecuted. And that's it, period, paragraph. And I think because this DOJ seems so partisan and so much at the hand of Donald Trump, it really has created a feeling that they are not acting in the best interest of these women. Understood. And Margaret, we've covered many issues where the government may be somewhat secretive.

11:07There are entire committees and reviews about government secrecy. This, on the evidence, goes farther. It looks corrupt in the nature of the secrecy. It's illegal, as I've emphasized since they blew the Friday deadline. And also very important, it suggests that they are more interested at the DOJ in helping Donald Trump avoid whatever it may be, embarrassment or worse, than complying with a federal law that's trying to deliver justice for survivors. I want to read from the new files because, as I've told viewers, both things are true. There's an illegal cover up. There's also new information in the new information, Margaret.

11:49we see a reference in 2019 to Epstein's, quote, 10 co-conspirators and their locations, three in Florida who have been subpoenaed, another in Boston, one in NYC, where, of course, he kept a big townhouse, one in Connecticut. And, Margaret, we can now square that, which is credible contemporaneous pursuit of many Epstein co-conspirators, which makes sense from what we already know, to what appear to be misstatements or worse coming from Trump's appointees. Here's Kash Patel. Who, if anyone, did Epstein traffic these young women to besides himself? Himself. There is no credible information. None.

12:37If there were, I would bring the case yesterday that he trafficked to other individuals. And the information we have, again, is limited. So the answer is no one? For the information that we have. In the files? In the case file.

12:54Fact check, misleading at best, or false. We don't know exactly what Patel knew, but we do know that he, Margaret, had access, if he wanted, to this information, because these are DOJ-written records of not one or two, but 10 co-conspirators. If ever there was a time to have a special prosecutor, this is it. And today, with the latest release, it's even clearer that it's got to get out of the hands of the DOJ. When I'm reading along sometimes, Ari, I see DOJ and I think, oh, well, good. The cops are here. No, it's just the opposite. The DOJ is that is the cover up of the of the crime is there here.

13:41There's both the cover up and a crime. So somebody's got to do something there. The White House isn't going to appoint a special prosecutor. So it's only up to Congress. What are they going to do? I don't. Senator Kennedy, you just showed us, I don't think the Republican Senate is going to come forward. If I were a victim and the clips of those girls, every time you see them, you say, how are they ever going to get justice? Epstein's suicide was another crime to them because they didn't get to go to court. There was no time for them to have their day. And so I read this and I say, we're in a really bad movie where there's the cops are on the take.

14:33Yeah, and you refer Epstein was found dead in his cell, and that's been corroborated. The federal government at the time and the Bureau of Prisons was overseen by the Trump administration, which ruled it a suicide. Brunel, who we're learning was another sex driver who flew on the plane more than previously known, also was found dead in a prison in Europe. It was ruled a suicide. So we can report fairly and precisely which government authorities have said what. Then, Molly, the questions remain because this very Epstein Transparency Act asks for more information about that. And the questions are how their credibility over the long haul squares with what we're learning.

15:17Then there's the incompetence, which is also part of this story, Molly. If one was a total conspiracy theorist cynic, which I don't recommend, neither for learning the truth, nor is it a fun way to live. But if you were that, you'd say, well, we're never going to learn anything because of this whole cover up. Right. The truth is messier. I alert you, Molly, to headlines today. And we've seen this on social media. Epstein files that were redacted and released within the last few days getting unredacted by people online who have better tech skills than some of the Trump DOJ people. File redaction can be undone with Photoshop techniques or highlighting text to paste into a word processing file, which gives you the sense, Molly, that there's also some incompetence over there.

16:04Yeah, I think that's a pretty good bet. And look, the good news about Trump world is that they're very incompetent. And we've seen this before. They had files they put up, you know, this there were a group of files that then they took down. And we've seen a lot. Right. We were talking about that before. So we've seen certainly a lot of back and forth. And if you wanted a story to go away, this would absolutely not be the way to do it. No, I think the good news, right, is, I mean, they've just the drips and drabs, taking things off, putting them on. But I think the good news is that Oversight, the ranking member of Oversight, Robert Garcia, Oversight has a ton more photos and videos and stuff.

16:47So they have a lot of information they got from the Epstein estate. Plus, we have Thomas Vasse and all of the people who did that discharge petition and Ro Khanna and Marjorie Taylor Greene, and they are talking about getting Pam Bondi to testify. So there are, you know, as much as this feels just so terrible and you feel for these women, there are, you know, public pushback is a powerful thing. And that's what we've seen with the discharge petition. And I think that's what we're going to see here. You know, Todd Blanche said there were more than 1 ,200 victims. That is a lot of women. And these women are very angry as well they should be.

17:29And the public needs to come to their aid and fight for justice for them. Margaret? You know, I worry, listening to Pam Bondi's testimony when the oversight for her nomination, I don't think she was truthful then. It worries me, relying on Congress to cross-examine in a way to get to the bottom of what these people have been doing. I mean, since the moment she said, oh, the files are on my desk, and that's months and months and months ago, and here we are, and still somehow, here's the file. No, that's not the file. We're giving you the file. No, we're taking it back. And we have tech bros who can do it better than our own Justice Department.

18:17And I know when you say tech bro, you mean tech bros and gals. Oh, I do. Definitely. I'm just not one. I know you. So I know you do. I mean, it's like anybody. Yeah. But my tech sisters. Yeah. Go for it. Tech sisters. Well, Margaret, anybody who knows their way around a computer, people have different skill sets. But the DOJ is supposed to be better than this at it. And some have pointed out they've lost some of their competent ace people in this year. Oh, they haven't. And the FBI is the premier place to go for this. But when you look at Kash Patel, he's not your guy. So, you know, we we've been taken over.

19:01You know, there's seen in the movie Witness where the camera goes and the person on the phone is the police captain. He's the one running the whole thing. You say, oh, my God, everybody's in on it. None of the none of the adults are straight. What are we going to do? So I'm hoping, as Molly says, we can rely on Thomas Massey and others to organize a set of hearings where the Republicans aren't in charge. I mean, if oversight is in charge, we're not going to get anything. So it's going to have to be a special committee. Right. You're both speaking to how it's requiring checks and balances, which at times have been under attack by this president.

19:44and this law marks a check, they're fighting it. And they clearly think at DOJ that if they can do a couple days, it's not like what they put up today they didn't have on Friday. They think that they can drag this out and then move on. And that's going to be a test of whether people, the public, the press, and the Congress, all the levers of checks, care or not. There's a lot of signs people are going to care well in the next year. We'll be on it. Molly and Margaret, thanks to both of you. Tonight, I have Bob Woodward coming up as we look at following the money and learning from people who've done that.

20:16And the revelations on Trump with a reporter who wrote the book on this next.

20:28A new batch of Epstein files out today, which shows again how even the things they are willing to release are hurting the Trump administration. A long ways from Pam Bondi vowing to release a client list from her desk. The DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients? Will that really happen? It's sitting on my desk right now. Then Bondi backtracked. She said there was no client list, contradicting herself. She ruled out the idea that Epstein ever blackmailed people for closing possible investigations in that lane and seemed like they didn't want to pursue anyone. Trump claimed he didn't know anything about anything.

21:11Is that the best one? Did you call your name a few years ago? Did you give Epstein files ever? No, I was never, never briefed. Did she tell you at all that your name appeared in the file? No, no, she's, uh, she's given us just a very quick briefing. Trump is in the files, though, and whatever happened at that so-called briefing, his own number one aide recently telling Vanity Fair she'd read what she calls the Epstein file. Trump is in the file. We know he's in the file. She just said he wasn't involved in any crimes. I'm joined now by journalist Barry Levine, the author of The Spider Inside the Tangled Web of Epstein and Maxwell.

21:49Thanks for joining. Given how long you've worked on these issues, I'm sure some of the new documents are things you would have liked to have earlier on. What stands out to you about everything we've learned since Friday? Okay. Well, Ari, what stands out to me is the fact that there were many, many missed opportunities to apprehend Jeffrey Epstein going way back. And when you think at the time when this was going on, Jeffrey Epstein was bringing in at least three minors a day for these sexualized massages. In essence, he was raping three minors a day. So you think about the opportunities to have apprehended him.

22:34And that's what has been missing. And that is what is so upsetting to me in looking at these files. We see, for instance, the Palm Beach. Just to push you on that. Yeah. Which files, which new information speaks to that? Well, what speaks to it, Ari, is the Palm Beach police. we know from a memo, began an investigation in December 2001 when they were alerted that Ghislaine Maxwell, Jeffrey Epstein's co-conspirator, was paying college girls from the Palm Beach athletic campus$200 a day technically for answering the phone. Three of the girls that the Palm Beach police apparently talked to at that time said they had been touched inappropriately by Jeffrey Epstein.

23:21Okay. So they were, Epstein and Maxwell were on the radar of the Palm Beach police going back to 2001, which is a new revelation. Right. Which we know that the actual, I'm just going to, I'm just slowing you down. So we've got a government story, an official story about, oh, what they found in 06 and the defenders of that, including a former Trump cabinet member have said, well, that's really as far as we could go, even if you'd like to go further, Sort of the too-big-to-fail bank defense, where we heard from prosecutors, you can't do more. Sometimes that's true, by the way, in certain legal situations.

23:55Seems false here. You're saying the docs show they go back to 01 in Florida. The farmer doc, newly revealed Friday, goes back to 96 for the feds. And we're waiting on, I'm going to put these memos up and let you continue, the co-conspirators memo, which I mentioned tonight, needs more detail. a corporate prosecution's probe memo, a discussion of another target. Go ahead and factor in any of this if you if you care to. Yeah, let's talk about the report involving the FBI with the Crimes Against Children Human Trafficking Unit from July 9th, 2019, where they named 10 possible co-conspirators. You know, this is an investigation by the FBI that should have been done in 2008.

24:43Why is it, you know, more than a decade later that they're just listing the names of these 10 possible co-conspirators? I mean, this is what is so upsetting, is that all of this was hiding in plain sight. The Palm Beach police could have gotten onto this much earlier. The FBI was handed this case by the Palm Beach police in 2008. And he gets, of course, the slap on the wrist non-prosecution agreement. And then we don't hear anything for the most part until 2019 after the Miami Herald series, Perversion of Justice. And then they began investigating Jeffrey Epstein again. In fact, it was only a few weeks after that series that they began investigating him.

25:26And all of this evidence was getting pulled. This goes to something else I want to ask you. I'm the lawyer, so I keep interrupting. I apologize. But I did want to ask you before I lose you. the Epstein plot was to use and abuse money and connections to pull so many people into his orbit many of whom we know according to what we have weren't present for some of these horrific crimes but to pull so many people in that he would be too hard to get now he's dead and it seems that some of that still worked in the sense that when Pam Bondi says nobody else to charge because she's worried that any of this could affect her boss, Trump, or others may have been worried about the Clinton photos, who cares, or any other people involved.