Trump Opposition Hits New High

26 Mar 2026 · 42 min · 14 chapters

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In short

The episode argues that opposition to Donald Trump is rising sharply, driven by broad voter disapproval and backlash over the Iran-related “military operation,” especially as gas prices climb. It cites a Fox News poll: 59% disapprove overall, 72% among Hispanics. It claims Republicans are panicking, Democrats are winning even in Trump-friendly areas (special election flips in his home district), and Trump’s messaging about not calling it “war” won’t change public costs. It also criticizes Trump’s hypocrisy on vote-by-mail, calling his fraud claims “coded racist talk,” and discusses court losses and alleged DOJ/FBI misconduct. Notable examples include oil price impacts, Strait of Hormuz comments, Mar-a-Lago-area seat flips, and a DOJ payment to Michael Flynn.

Guests

James Carville (Democratic strategist; former Clinton aide) and John Flannery (former federal prosecutor and congressional counsel). A later segment features Baz Luhrmann (filmmaker; Elvis in Concert project).

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Trump's Political Crisis Overview

1:25 to 4:09

Ari discusses the implications of polling data related to Trump's presidency.

“Trump faces scrutiny for failing across the board.”

Republican Response to Trump's Policies

4:09 to 5:25

Ari explores Republican concerns regarding Trump’s foreign and domestic policies.

“And it might even be more colorful than that.”

Discussion with James Carville

5:25 to 8:14

James Carville shares insights into political dynamics and election results.

“And I'll tell you, James, right off the bat, I appreciate you being here.”

War Impact on Politics and Polls

8:14 to 13:05

An analysis of how current military operations affect public opinion and political strategies.

“And then you ended up losing that district.”

Trump's Hypocrisy on Voting by Mail

14:44 to 18:12

Analyzing Trump's contradictory stance on mail-in voting and its implications.

“You were in Tall Beach, sir, the last few weekends.”

Upcoming Discussions

18:12 to 18:31

Previewing upcoming segments on Trump's legal issues and special guests.

“Remember, inflation is supposed to go to 4.2%.”

Upcoming Discussions

20:21 to 20:46

Previewing upcoming segments on Trump's legal issues and special guests.

“If you're a parent and want to help set up your child for success, then IXL is right for your family.”

Trump's Legal Troubles

20:55 to 28:00

Discussing Trump's ongoing legal battles and implications of recent rulings.

“when he had an attorney general who actually followed the binding DOJ rules.”

Trump's Legal Struggles and Systemic Injustice

28:00 to 34:00

Explore the themes of Trump's legal issues and the implications for justice in America.

“How do you see all of those losses and and sort of outrageous complaints tying together from Trump?”

Upcoming Discussion on Overcoming Fear

34:00 to 34:10

Preview of discussions around overcoming fear and community action.

“I want to tell folks what's coming up because we're going to look at how you can overcome fear.”
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35:10 to 42:00

Delve into Baz Luhrmann's creative journey and his new Elvis concert film.

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Insights from Baz Luhrmann

42:00 to 44:41

Learn about Baz Luhrmann's approach to storytelling and creativity.

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Insights from Baz Luhrmann

45:00 to 45:28

Learn about Baz Luhrmann's approach to storytelling and creativity.

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1:15That's the highest across both terms. Among Hispanics, it's far worse. Disapproval surging to 72%. And that's a group that he had actually made up some ground with in the last election. Trump faces scrutiny for failing across the board. It's not one failure like prices, and people say, well, presidents don't have sole control of the economy, or just on foreign policy, or just on the ICE tactics. It's basically disapproval across the board. On immigration, well, people don't like what they saw, especially over the last few months. Gas prices are now a dollar higher than a month ago, and that is a choice that is a direct result.

1:55Donald Trump made the choice to start the Iran war. Very few Americans were prepped for it or thought it was necessary, and now they're paying for it, quite literally. White House officials reportedly examining what the continued spike in oil prices means for the broader economy, because Bloomberg, a nonpartisan finance outlet, is reporting on how this could lead to a wider recession, which is something that even from a self-interested perspective, Trump doesn't want because it would hurt him further in the midterms. As for the war, take a listen. I won't use the word war because they say if you use the word war, that's maybe not a good thing to do.

2:31They don't like the word war because you're supposed to get approval. So I'll use the word military operation, which is really what it is. It's called a military decimation. A verbal or superficial approach to these problems is not very appealing according to the polls. Donald Trump's suggesting it's about words or branding, but real Americans are dying over there. And using different words for that doesn't change that. Privately, we're hearing that Trump still wants a speedy off ramp or an end. The Journal reporting on that. But of course, wanting that and actually getting things at least back to the status quo, meaning less bad than after Trump started the war, is a challenge.

3:11Republicans are anxious. We have an oil problem now because of the war and the problem in the Strait of Hormuz. Take one Alabama Republican who chairs the Armed Services Committee discussing the last Pentagon briefing. they need to be able to give us more answers. And I know we know they have more, but they're being very tight-lipped. And I think that's being directed. We just wanted them to tell us what's the plan, and we didn't get any answers. What's the plan? They have no answers. That's from the hawkish Republican MAGA voice, and that's in public. You don't have to be a political expert to imagine what he's really saying in private, in that private briefing, or when he calls into the White House and says, we're doing what we can, but your failed war with high gas prices that's unpopular needs an end going into the midterms.

4:09And it might even be more colorful than that. The point is, the outer edge of opposition is already negative from the MAGA side to say nothing of the broader polling I showed you. Speaker Mike Johnson made up an award to give to the president. Take that for what you will and take a look. He is the suitable and fitting recipient of the first ever America First Award. We can think of no better title for what that is.

4:43That's this beautiful golden statue here. The SNL cold open writes itself. We have a president talking about how maybe if he doesn't call his war a war, people won't notice we're at war. They've noticed. And we have the Speaker of the House, who I'll remind you, is a very important position in line of succession to the presidency, taking time out of running the country or trying to stop the airport madness and lines or reopen the DHS or reform ICE or deal with the war. No, he's taking time away from all that to give out what he admits are made up golden awards. I want to bring in our guest, James Carville.

5:24He's a legendary political strategist. He's no nonsense. And I'll tell you, James, right off the bat, I appreciate you being here. We don't have a fake gold statue for you. Okay. OK, man, my feelings are hurt. I can't believe I mean, you got to give me something. We just got to give you something. Can you speak to this contrast? Because these would be bad numbers if we weren't at war. These would be bad numbers if people weren't paying at the pump. But it seems a lot worse. Well, we have the polling in this universe. By the way, the Fox poll in election analysis is actually quite good. I got to give them a little credit.

6:01They have a definitive wall there. But I'm really opposed to looking at election returns. And not just the Trump's Mar-a-Lago district. I'm looking at a state senate district in Florida. I'm looking at races in Pennsylvania. I'm looking at races all over the country. And you're seeing the same thing. And the stunning thing, all right, from a political professional's viewpoint is there's no geographic to it. It's all the same. They lose between 10 to 14 points. It doesn't matter where it is. And I think that speaks a lot to the really precarious political situation that the Republican Party is in right now.

6:40Very, very precarious. You say it's not just Mar-a-Lago, but it now includes Mar-a-Lago. We have some of that. Take a look at the reception to that flip.

6:53Democrats scored two major victories in yesterday's special elections. They flipped a state house seat in President Trump's home district. That includes Palm Beach County, where President Trump's Mar-a-Lago home is located. It's surprising in the sense that Donald Trump won this district by 11 points in 2024. They're able to win in Donald Trump's backyard, which is a real kick in the golf balls for Mar-a-Lardo. James? No. Well, let me talk about the Mar-a-Lago seat. There was a state senate seat that also flipped and farted. And the significance is it was to fill a vacancy because the governor appointed that state senator to be lieutenant governor.

7:34You don't have to be a genius to figure out he was going to appoint somebody to a safe Republican seat. That would be the equivalent of appointing somebody from Indiana to the Senate. You know, you're going to like, they lost that seat. And I thought, I think that's even more significant to them, the same symbolism. Yeah, let me slow you down because you're so versed. I mean, I don't know how you remember every district in the country. You know, I guess that's what some of the presidents have liked about you on the Democratic side. But you're making the point that they had a choice and they said, OK, we'll do it in a red area that we will automatically win.

8:10And you're saying they still lost that. Right. That he goes and the Republicans say since then, Democrats have a seat. So great. Well, that's great. We can't lose that district. And then you ended up losing that district. Which tells me that we're going to penetrate pretty deep into into red areas and come come November. It's pretty clear that that's happening right now. On the war, you have Americans here about the policy. And look, in contrast to most past wars, there was no presentation to Congress. The public wasn't brief. There wasn't really any civic process. I know I sound old fashioned.

8:47So folks have gotten their information on this wherever they get it, including obviously at the pump. 42 % of people say this makes us less safe. 20 % say no difference, which means not worth it to pay higher prices. Only the 35%, that would be sort of the sub-MAGA core, says more safe. What does that tell you as a polling and public opinion expert about a war that's only just gotten underway? Well, at some point, most every war is popular at one time. I mean, even a Vietnam War at one time, the golfer talking or something, They came up with the Iraq war was popular. This war has never been popular from the start.

9:26I mean, it just started in a bad place, and it's in a bad place. And I had a crusty aunt who was very outspoken, and she told me when I was a young man, she said, son, let me tell you something. You know what? Wars and affairs, you know, they have in common. I said, no, ma 'am. She said, easy to get into, hard to get out of. And people just remember that. Anybody, you can start a war. That's fine. Then how do you end it? That's quite another, that's the more difficult question. And I suspect he's just going to walk out of there. Remember what you saw he did today? You know, remember the movie, Gunn?

10:05The guy said, you don't think we're just going to pull up and walk out of here, do you? He said, yeah, that's exactly what you're going to do. You're going to pull up and you're going to walk out of India. And that's exactly what they did. He's just going to walk out of there. Boom. Well, it sounds like you had a wise aunt in the Carvel family. The president, the president. You know, the president has pushed a lot of lies and disinformation, and it does seem different in war than other domains. He lied about the available intelligence, about whether the U.S. had hit that school in Iran. That's a major thing.

10:43He now is lying geostrategically, if you want to say, about the oil over there. I mean, I don't know who he thinks he's fooling, but people know that gas prices are up and people have some understanding of the Mideast has this oil. And that's part of the strategic import to the United States. I mean, you know, you don't have to be a news junkie to know that. And yet he's here claiming, oh, well, maybe it's fine. And maybe we don't need basically the oil that's coming out of that region. And everybody knows, James, I mean, I rarely speak this broadly, but I think everybody in America knows that if we didn't need any oil over there, we wouldn't be over there at all.

11:19So here he is lying about the Strait of Hormuz. Take a look. The amazing thing is we don't need the Hormuz Strait. We don't need it. We don't need it at all. We have so much oil. Our country is not affected by this. We have twice the amount of oil as Saudi Arabia or Russia, and soon it'll be three times the amount. We are affected. A lot of policy planners say we need it. Indeed, it was one of the points, as you know, and there's been plenty of articles about this, that in multiple administrations, James, our best minds, NSA, CIA, and Intel said, you can do a lot again they're on from the air.

12:01But they have these economic oil countermeasures. My question to you on the presentation, on the politics even, if you want to call it that, is does it work when he lies like this about this? Well, I'm partly Daniel Yerkin, an energy expert, but it's insane. Oil has a world price. So maybe we don't get the oil that comes out of the Persian Gulf, but it affects the price of it. So it ends up at the bank because it's a worldwide commodity. Two different things is WTI and Brent. But forget that. When it goes up, it doesn't matter where you get it from. And I actually think he's that stupid that he doesn't understand.

12:40I don't think he's just lying to try to save his political self. Of course, he's doing that. I think he's too stupid to understand that the price of oil is a worldwide commodity and it's set in world markets. and if it goes up somewhere, it goes up here. It's that something that's not going. Right, that it's all, as you say, global supply and demand, interdependent. James, stay with me. We have our shortest break, 90 seconds, and I want to get into some of this vote-by-mail next.

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14:59Because I'm president of the United States and because of the fact that I'm president of the United States, I did a mail-in ballot for elections that took place in Florida because I felt I should be here instead of being in the beautiful sunshine. You were in Tall Beach, sir, the last few weekends. That's right. That's right. James? You know, that he's a hypocrite is hardly news to anybody. I think the majority of them voting in, like, Utah, Colorado, Oregon, there's all kind of vote by mail. And what he's really doing is trying to say people, non-white people are trying to steal a country from you by voting by mail.

15:41But that's, come on. And that's, he knows that better than that. Everybody knows better than that. That's just, to me, that's just coded racist talk, plain and simple. There's about that much election fraud in this country, and they keep bringing it up, and it's just a way that they can say a certain word without saying a certain word. To me, that's all it is. Period. Yeah. And what he's saying, if you're white and you want to vote by mail, that's fine. So I hate to say that, but I really believe it. And that's what I really believe. And I really believe that's what he's trying to tell us. It's OK for you and I, but not the other people.

16:23Right. And I know you hate to say it because you hate to make any inference about a sitting president trafficking in racism or voter suppression. But he's already admitted that he's posted racist ape videos. We didn't show them on this program, but he's he's he's in all that. So I take you to say patriotically you wish it weren't so. Go ahead. I know. We know it's true. And when you come to the point where you know something is true, but you can't say it and you know it's true, well, of course you can say it. And let me tell you, I don't think there's 5 % of the nonwhite people in the country that would disagree with me.

17:03And this is what he's really saying. And this is when they put this out. This is what they really mean. because the problem of voter fraud in this country is minuscule. And whenever you want to say the word without saying the word, you talk about voter fraud. And that's his coded message to, I don't know, his supporters or whatever you call them. But, Maury, you've got to understand, 35 % of people in this country will believe anything. But the fact that 65 are not fooled is a celebratory number. That's a good number. I like 65. And it makes sense, although you've got to keep in mind 72 % of statistics are made up.

17:46You know, I mean, you know, large figures lie, but, you know, if you see the consistency of election returns, they're not made up. And those are the results of the people. And as we see, the people, the story doesn't say the same. The people have moved. It's not November 24. There's a supermajority, as I mentioned in this week, against a lot of what Trump's doing. James Carville, on more than one topic, always good to see you, sir. Thank you. I enjoy it. Remember, inflation is supposed to go to 4.2%. If that happens, the Republicans are going to fall under 42%. There you go. It's the inflation, stupid.

18:24Thank you, James. Appreciate it. Coming up, John Flannery is here on Donald Trump's losing streak, which has him lashing out against judges. There's also outrage over the million-dollar-plus payout of your taxpayer dollars to Michael Flynn, who pled guilty in that Mueller probe. And by the end of the hour, we have something special for you tonight. The acclaimed director Boz Lerman makes his beat debut. He's worked with some of the top Hollywood stars, Elvis, Great Gatsby. We're excited to have him. Bring that bass up, Jerry. I wish to promote you, Mr. Presley. I believe I can be great. Ba-da-ba, ba-da-ba.

19:03Some people want to put me in jail. So I was moving. I will tell you God's truth. God's truth about myself. But I had the uneasy feeling that he was guarding secrets.

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20:47Visit IXL.com slash 20 to get the most effective learning program out there at the best price. Donald Trump is losing a lot in court, even though he's made the DOJ more partisan this term than during his first term, when he had an attorney general who actually followed the binding DOJ rules. That led to the appointment of Special Counsel Mueller, for example, who just passed away last weekend, the end of a legal era. That's relevant because the current DOJ and FBI leaders blatantly break rules. A.G. Bondi accused of breaking the Epstein law of lying to the public of misleading Congress. The FBI director, you see there, his behavior kind of speaks for itself.

21:26So she and the FBI are going after Trump's enemies list, probing and indicting the people that Trump publicly demands. You can see the results here. Now that can be illegal itself, but they've done it so incompetently that they keep losing. The green stamps showcases that have already fallen apart and been tossed. Trump's DOJ has had these cases stumble at early stages, lose. Sometimes Bondi's chosen prosecutors actually fail so badly, they've lost their own entire DOJ jobs in the process. Courts disqualifying them because they didn't get the required Senate approval to hold the job permanently.

22:03Now, that's bad. DOJ keeps losing. They should be chastened. They should follow the rulings and the law. But instead, A.J. Bondi has been going full Aaliyah. If at first DOJ don't succeed, dust yourself off and try again. Try again. Bondi is trying again on the losing quest to convict former FBI Director Comey. The news tonight is they've ginned up a new subpoena. That's after Trump's current AG and FBI Director failed to bill a valid case against him before, let alone win it. Keep in mind, the current FBI Director under Trump is literally trying to jail the former FBI Director on thin, sometimes meaningless, baseless charges.

22:51Ditto for New York Attorney General James, the feds trying again, Aaliyah style, after their last case was dismissed at the start. Evidence suggests these cases are illegal selective prosecution. And it's not just this lane. Trump is also losing cases on policy. His signature tariffs, of course, smacked down by the Supreme Court. That included his own appointees ruling that he was powerless under law to do that kind of trade war without Congress. That's just the law. Trump responding by saying he's, quote, sickened by those judges' independence. Basically, that because they're doing a judicial job, what they're supposed to do, rather than being his blind partisans, that's a problem.

23:33And he falsely claims the judges have become some kind of criminal if they rule against him. We got rogue judges that are criminals. They're criminals. What they do to our country, the decisions that they hand down and hurt our country. And not that it matters, doesn't matter at all. But two of the people that voted for that, I appointed. And they sickened me. Doesn't matter at all, but he's giving a speech about it. It doesn't matter, but he's sickened. You're seeing failure and loss in public from someone who's, for all of his vaunted PR tactics employees, He's currently maybe not very disciplined or effective at holding back the conflicting message, the anger, the loss.

24:23Now, he's gone beyond just that complaint. He's pitching an actual bill that would try to target what he calls rogue judges, while Bondi's deputy blames judges for their losses and admits plans to try to move cases to more friendly MAGA areas. We see our most activist judges That we lose to every single day Are without a doubt Nothing more than an extension of the partisan arm Of which they came from There's a lot of ways that we can work within that To get some of our cases where we want them to be Where we're going to have a judge that we know is going to be fair So he admits they're losing and they want a judge shot The DOJ is also now paying former defendants from the Mueller probe.

25:10Mueller, of course, back in the news this past week with his passing. They are handing over a million dollars to a Trump that you might recall, Michael Flynn, claiming that Mueller wrongly prosecuted him over false statements. Of course, Flynn was a grown up and he pled guilty in that very case. The payment, an extraordinary effort of relief for Trump allies. The New York Times notes. Now, does Trump really suddenly care about getting some money to a former aide? It's your taxpayer money, by the way, but we're talking about someone, Donald Trump, who's long stiffed his own employees and aides when it comes to money.

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25:44Or is this more about setting a precedent to enrich himself, to get that kind of payment to himself? We keep track of this, even if sometimes it's all a little bit of a blizzard. So let me remind you To his great shame and loss Donald Trump tried and failed to ram through a plan To pilfer a whopping$230 million of taxpayer money this term Using a similar format as this brand new Flynn payment That the DOJ should reimburse him For his own mistakes that led to those probes Now Trump failed to get that done so far Even his partisan DOJ opposed approving something That was a legal conflict of interest That judges might quickly block Experts, if you're curious, also said that the federal law they were citing actually bans that kind of large punitive damage payment, if you're keeping track.

26:34And Republicans viewed it as a kind of political suicide to take that much money from the public and put it in Trump's pocket while he's the sitting president. No president's ever done that. And yet now the Trump DOJ seems oddly interested again in pushing a similar MAGA-enriching legal theory. Dust yourself off and try again. if you will. So when will the people be mad enough that they don't take it anymore, as the old saying goes? We will ask veteran prosecutor John Flannery next.

27:11Why is there objection to sending ICE officers to polling places? Illegals can't vote.

27:20It doesn't make any sense. Why is there... Well, they can vote. They just shouldn't vote, right? Amen. That's right. I mean, listen, what is the objection? Your deputy attorney general, using what in law school they call the Socratic method, but in this case is just kind of a BS straw man question to suggest that maybe he will allow something that is barred by federal law, ICE agents doing voter suppression. I want to bring in former federal prosecutor and congressional counsel John Flannery. I just walked through how Trump is losing a lot in court, but lashing out and then floating new payments to Mike Flynn after he failed to get himself paid.

28:02How do you see all of those losses and and sort of outrageous complaints tying together from Trump? Well, I think your presentation was excellent. And the question is, how do you synthesize it? but there are common themes that exist. We just saw a deputy attorney general who has a bar license supposedly railing against justices of the court, two associate justices appointed by his boss, the president, Trump. And he thinks that he can just ignore that fact and say that the judges are wrong and rogue when he's taken an oath to respect the law and he knows the avenues by which you test the law and he's not doing that.

28:43The simplest way I think I can describe it is that we have an injustice system with the current battery of people coming down from Trump who is flailing and is flailing about what he can say and should say. And I think we have an amazing situation in which we have justice has become a coincidence of the system, not a consequence of it. One of my heroes, Justice Breyer, spoke strongly in various books and speeches that he gave. And he says the law in America is dependent upon the people trusting the decisions we make to be right. Trump every day gives us reason to know they're not right, that they're wrong, that they're selective of certain people.

29:30And it's not just to hurt those people. He also goes after the function of that office. But who does he get to do it? He gets a deputy attorney general that apparently can't find the law on his hindquarters. And we have these people going into court who have no idea how to present a case. They just are going to do the bidding of a president who's outside the court. The conflicts are just amazing. When Trump says, I am your retribution, he's talking about everybody. And retribution suggests that there is something that happened that was wrong to him. Everything that's happened to him has been lawful, just as was true of Flynn.

30:12What happened to him was lawful. And so you have a president perhaps paving the way to get money himself by giving money to this fellow who doesn't deserve it, who, as you said, pleaded guilty in the case. Yeah. And again, we have to look at the evidence we have. There's no record of Donald Trump being concerned about getting money to his aides, government or private professional employees. So that's an aberration. Then you add to that that people might forget that when he tried to get 200M, he couldn't even get that out of the very partisan leadership at DOJ. And then you add all the court losses.

30:50So the volume is high and they almost want people to think it's not going as badly as it is. But here are more headlines. Judge sides with New York Times against the Pentagon under Trump. Supreme Court on the tariffs I mentioned. U.S. must allow those deported Venezuelans to return for hearings. Trump ban on wind energy actually was unlawful. You know, people can understandably be busy living their lives and worrying about gas prices that they don't realize or know that while there are many problems and I don't minimize them on this in this reporting, this is the greatest string of losses in just over a year of a president that we've seen.

31:29Right. And one of the clearest examples that I think the people can understand well is because they've seen it, that the head of the Federal Reserve is going to be brought into an investigation about funds spent on upgrading the buildings in which they exist. And the judge, when dismissing the subpoenas, said there was no evidence of the underlying offense, which is the predicate for the grand jury subpoenas. that says several things. It says we started with a frivolous case. We did a selective prosecution for political reasons, not for any other reason. And we hoped that we would succeed at it, and we'll probably try again.

32:10The same with the attorney general from New York, the same with Comey, the same with all of these people. I mean, it's hard to believe that Fauci is still listed among the people that's compromised for what he did that was good for America, to squeeze him at his advanced age. This is an administration that believes in the power of the fist. And with that fist, they hope to scare anybody who's not already named of the 467 different approaches. So all the different people that have schools, the law firms, you name it, they're everywhere. And all the people who have been, if you will, platforms for resisting a government that is autocratic and tending toward monarchy and a government that's going into wars and affecting us in a military sense, in a domestic sense, at home as well with how we take care of the airports, how we take care of the election day.

33:05And so the question is, do the people get it? Watch this Saturday. Millions of people are going to come out again. They know what's happening. Look at the polls. Those are real numbers. By the way, Those are people who vote on those things, who say this is not working. The people of America are better than our government. And at some point, we're going to hit the breaking point. And when you are attacking Garrett and Gorsuch because you don't like their decision, you no longer have the people on your side, from your view, who will give up their judgment and do whatever you want and play the fool.

33:39And that's where we are. So I think America is pivoting. And the question is, will our, quote, president get so desperate that he'll put us at more risk than we already are because of his misconduct in office? Well, and you're bringing it to the fundamentals for the people, by the people and up to the people, which, as you say, is part of what people are going to do exercising their rights this weekend. John Flannery, always good to see you. I want to tell folks what's coming up because we're going to look at how you can overcome fear. The beat debut of a great artist, Baz Luhrmann. Next. And have my lips as in that they have took.

34:15Sin from my lips? Oh, trespass sweetly urged. Give me my sin again. You kiss by the book. You see, I've forgotten if they're green on the moon.

34:38My next guest is an auteur at the summit of his field, considered one of the great living filmmakers. Baz Luhrmann is the Australian director, writer, and producer who's done it all. He's worked with legendary stars across film, music, TV, fashion worlds as well. He's considered the most commercially successful Australian director if you're keeping track by country, two-time Oscar nominee, Golden Globe winner, with iconic films and a signature style you recognize immediately. A thousand times goodnight. A thousand times the worst to want thy light.

35:15I'm Gatsby

35:21Baz Luhrmann I love you Thank you for believing in me In those moments that I didn't even believe in myself It was the greatest condom attraction I'd ever seen I will love you I will love you Until my day

35:49His new project, Elvis in Concert, out now features new discovered footage that came from the process of the 2022 Legend film. Baz Luhrmann is here. Welcome. And I'm going to let people behind the curtain. You just went into our control room to direct our opening. So let's get into that. I couldn't help it, Ari. I just walking by, I see a crew. I start waving my hands around and things happen. It's not my fault. And you wanted a close-up of the Elvis video. Well, I thought we started like an ECU here. Pull back, nice and slow. Good. Let's get tight. Let's get tight. A little tighter. A little tighter.

36:23Tighten up. Tighten up. We went in here. This is good. Even tighter, do you want? Really tight. Let's go ECU. Yeah. Yeah. Tighten up. All black. All black. Tight, tight. And holding. Simple. Pulling back. Real fast. Now jam back. And let's do an epic slam back. Okay, pan right, go on to Ari. All right, pick it up and go to. Okay, see, that's how it's done. I love it. Welcome. On this new project, you started in a salt mine. It's an accidental film because I was working on Elvis the Movie. I'd heard from a guy called Ernst Jogunsen about this mythical one reel of the showroom in Vegas that I thought I might use in the film.

37:01You'd be able to go down, send someone down the salt mine. And go down, and it's a bit like Raiders of the Lost Ark, you know, bang, doors open, dust. And there were 65 boxes, some with material missing, some misnamed, but 65 boxes of Elvis in his prime. You find this one audio tape of Elvis, really unusual, talking about his life, unguarded. And that was the light bulb to say, what if we made a film where Elvis just tells you his life story and then sings about it as well? That's kind of how it came about. And then you say, actually, now I've got what is essentially a documentary or a concert film.

37:42You'll tell us more. Let's take a look, though, at Elvis coming out on stage.

37:51I see people of all different ages and things out there. If I do something good, they let me know. If I don't, I don't even know that. Whether it's six or 6 ,000, it doesn't really matter. They bring it out of me, the ham. Elvis was a myth maker. He came out and embodied his fantasy. Yeah. And then people put their projections onto him. For sure. You brought him back, and to a new generation, one could argue. It's happening. With a fictional film. Yeah. And now you're back to the real Elvis. How do you keep track and what's different about the image versus the man? Yeah, well, I'm glad you bring it up.

38:27You said it really well. He says it. He says, well, it's very hard to live up to an image, right? The image is one thing and the man is another. Does being sensitive make you a better artist? I think all artists in some way or other are kind of self-medicating through something that is inside them, something that is problematic that comes from childhood. When we sat down, we were talking about your work with Jay-Z. Yeah. And I had to almost stop you just to get the camera rolling. I want to show a little bit this Gatsby. I want to show Gatsby where, again, you mix. It's not even right for me to say you mix the old and new.

39:07It's more than that. You draw on both to show us the appreciation. Let's just look a little bit of Gatsby. Carter, New Kennedy, no ordinary jokes. You will remember me. A lot of the lobsters decorated with truffles and fine herbs. No prohibition from a coalition. I need a hundred bricks on them, a hundred rocks I got a hundred drops, a hundred cots, a hundred dollar bill I see you got the hope Oh, I did, yeah, yes, sir Yeah, Jay was amazing because I went to him, I said, look, Fitzgerald put in the text a black street music called jazz Yeah And at that time, it was so radical and edgy and people were like, why are you doing that?

39:51It's just going to be a fad Now, I love jazz, but it is kind of charming. You know, it's hard to get people to feel what was that like. And I said to Jay, you know, like, that would be like your music, rap music. You know, you make that kind of music. And he didn't even, I didn't even show him the tape. I think I might have shown him my eye. He just said, we're doing this. It was a two-second conversation. We are doing this. And that journey with Jay on translating, that's what it is. I'm translating a classical text. It's not just what it was, but what did it feel like? Tell me, correct me accordingly, but is it that you're saying by weaving modern, what some people consider modern rebellious sounds into this older story, we now can see the characters as they were in their moment?

40:38That's right. It's exactly what I'm saying. It's exactly, well, it's not what I'm saying. It's what you're showing. Yeah, doing. It's my job. My job is to take like, you know, classical material. It's interesting you talk about what's classical. I would say the Beatles are now classical. Which is funny, right? In a sense, right? But they are. They're so great. They've moved through time and geography so much that we can now say that that music is eternal. Some of that music they wrote, from the moment you hear Blackbird, you go, oh, hasn't that been around forever? I find you very high energy.

41:10It's almost contagious. I read that someone said you make coffee nervous. And now I'm getting it. Well, I do drink a lot of coffee. That doesn't surprise me either. I think coffee makes me nervous. You look at these big hits and some people, I guess with Elvis, they say, oh, you've discovered someone. But when you look at Tom Hanks and Leo and Nicole and people want to do these kind of shows with you, what are you doing behind the scenes to make that happen or it's natural? I mean, it's a really good question, Ari, and I'll try and explain it simply. I don't work in a traditional way. I mean, even from finding the actors, I do workshops.

41:46I don't do auditions. I actually say, what can I learn with you in my room? My job is to get you this role no matter what anyone thinks. And what can I learn from this scene? I have a privilege of having you in my room. Let's work for three hours. Let's work for a day. What can we find out about this scene? Forget whether we do it or not. That's one thing. Second thing is to be that free, to play. It's called play acting, a screen play. We play an instrument. Children play brilliantly, but if they're frightened, they can't play. So I create a world around the movie where fear is kept away and we can play.

42:21So I keep fear out of the room and I build a world with the actors and we build it together and we share it. And I'm kind of captain of the storytelling, but I'm not fearful of anything. I know the story so well that if an actor is free to play, I say, yep, let's do that. The final round here is going to be easy for you, but also hard for you. It's a lightning round. I should try to be fast. It's in a sentence. Okay. Okay. Uh-huh. Tom Hanks is? Oh, the finest human being and actor one could wish to be around. Elvis means? Humanity, heart, empathy, kindness, decency, and a voice like Orpheus and a body that shakes a building.

43:17America or Australia? Well, I say dream in Paris, have fun in London if you have money, dance in Brazil, get lost in Japan. Australia is home, work in L.A. now and then, but kind of live in New York. Writing or directing since you do both? There is no writing, directing, editing. It's all just one act In the act of telling a story Best advice you've gotten? Uh, don't wait for permission Get on and do it Failure means? That after the pain You will grow Success means?

44:07if you think you have success you probably don't we've dubbed you a maverick here in esteemed company thank you series am i being knighted you were being knighted yeah yeah it's uh the thing about uh live television or television news is you know we just say it we don't have any ceremony then we're done it's faster that way that's you've been knighted i i've I'm actually genuinely honored. I think a lot of people could both be inspired by and learn from how you've done your work and your art. So thank you for being here. I really enjoyed it, man. Me too, man. And I love your merch. I love your merch.

44:43Take some extra merch. Oh, man. Baz can take all the merch he wants. You can see more at ms.now.com. We'll be right back.

45:00We don't always get to show you inside our MS Now control rooms, but take a look, because when you have a director who demands to come inside, well, we let him. And Baz Luhrmann was as intense and serious as he looks right there, along with some members of our team, as you can see. There's a wider shot. That's the news screens. And Baz, of course, gave a little advance prep. And then if you saw the last segment, we did it. He zoomed in and shot it more dramatically than we sometimes get to do on the news. So that was fun. If you want to check out more of the interview, go to ms.now.com or go on social and we'll have clips.

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From the publisher

March 26, 2026; 6pm; MS NOW’s Ari Melber reports on President Trump’s plummeting approval ratings amid the Iran war and rising gas prices, and is joined by legendary political strategist James Carville. Plus, iconic director Baz Luhrmann joins Melber to discuss his new project “EPiC: Elvis Presley in Concert,” working with Jay-Z on The Great Gatsby soundtrack and more.

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