Trump’s Epstein card leaks: Damning card shows 47 knew Epstein’s "secrets"

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0:54Find Disclosure Day on major digital platforms now with no subscription required. also in theaters. Welcome to The Beat. We're live from Washington. These Epstein revelations are rocking the White House and the town. Congress has proven they can use their subpoenas to get new information. And we have Bob Woodward tonight on the power of this evidence, the Epstein scandal, how journalism still matters today, his views on a lot of interesting things we're going to get into. That's coming up. We begin with this new reality. Protesters outside the White House with a banner confronting Donald Trump for his word.

1:29They're saying not a hoax because the evidence has rebutted, confronted and really debunked some of Donald Trump's claims about these Epstein files, which he is in, including allegedly the card that now has been released by the Epstein estate. This card is all the way back from 2003. It is exactly what the Wall Street Journal said it was, which undercuts Trump's denials. And it went from the Epstein estate to the House Oversight Committee. And you can see the drawing and the poem or inscription, which we've read before, which suggests that the man who signed this card, Donald J. Trump, knew all about what Epstein was up to.

2:08The White House continues to deny that this card is from Trump, a denial that obviously is contradicted by the evidence from the Epstein estate. They have been holding on to this thing along with other documents. They handed over under subpoena. No one has come through with any kind of rational explanation to explain what this is, if not what Donald Trump gave to the Epstein then household, now a state. And this morning, Trump just announced he doesn't see this as a live issue anymore. None of this type of denial is working. If he didn't sign these, if you said he didn't sign the birthday card, he didn't do this, he also didn't do the check.

2:51Those were in documents from the estate. So what is the working theory as to why he's in them? The Epstein case, would the White House support a professional handwriting expert review of the document released yesterday? One of the other documents released by the House Oversight Committee contained a photo of Jeffrey Epstein holding an oversized check. Does the president, will he meet with the victims? on and on it went like that as we saw there we're showing you the journalists with all these questions not necessarily the answers some of which were not newsworthy or don't pass sort of our standards review for the facts because donald trump has no good answer to this he just sued the wall street journal and he denies it but of course we have the hard evidence from the epstein estate and republicans don't know what to say look up this birthday card to see if it's legit or not.

3:44The president says it's not. I take the president's word. Clearly, the birthday note for President Trump is a fallacy. This was just a disgusting human being that I don't think anybody that ever wrote him a card letter for a 50th birthday. I think it's just a foolish red herring that people are trying to look at for political divisiveness. Do you think the Trump birthday note to Epstein is real? I don't. They say it's not. The question is not whether people think it's real, because people in politics can deny anything they don't want to deal with. The question is about the veracity of the evidence, something we've reported on for you, that it came from the Epstein estate under subpoena by independent executors under the color of law.

4:26You can get in a lot of trouble for tampering with that type of evidence. And there's no rationale. No one's put forward a motive for why someone, the lawyer or executor of this estate, would take those risks, nor any evidence of that happening. So the real question is, why did Donald Trump know so much about Jeffrey Epstein's scurrilous activities, whether they've been convicted or not at that point all the way in 2003? How many people, Donald Trump included around Epstein, knew about his activities or his outright pedophilia and sex trafficking and either looked the other way or didn't mind or made jokes about it at a minimum?

4:59That's before you get to the question of whether the Donald Trump administration in the first and second term has committed malfeasance or worse with regard to the case. And some Republicans have joined the Democrats on this push to get even more evidence. Here's one MAGA podcaster. Now, it's not more people covering it. He just has to do one thing. Stop calling it a hoax. Agree. Stop, you know, trolling this topic because you're turning your own team against you. that's your own team saying, stop turning you against them, right? Now, there's also a photo of Epstein holding this kind of novelty check that they joked or suggested with some sort of payment.

5:42Of course, it's a novelty giant check. Looks more like hijinks than the actual changing hands of money. The Wall Street Journal reports that the man there is a Mar-a-Lago member, Joel Pascoe. The note reads, Jeffrey's showing early talents with money in women's sales fully depreciated. a name is redacted, to Trump for$22 ,500. Now, the image also released from the Epstein birthday book, you see this cartoon of Epstein giving balloons and other assortments to what are clear to be children, those are girls, 1983, and then flash forward 20 years, and there they are as cartoon images, multiple people, semi-nude, massaging him, and you see the inscription, what a great country.

6:26The point isn't to get into all the prurient back and forth. The point is that a large part of the denials from Donald Trump and other elites was that no one knew this was going on. And later when they found out, they made changes. That's been one of the cover stories that is detonated by some of the details in the book. And as we've been careful to point out, someone's link or socializing with this now deceased sex trafficker does not automatically mean they were doing any convictable crimes. But it does detonate and explode many of the defenses that said people didn't know what was going on, just as Donald Trump's birthday card, which is strong evidence that undermines his case against the Journal, suggests that he was well aware that Epstein had all these sort of activities and all these references to things being young and staying secret.

7:14Meanwhile, Democrats are on offense. They were boys. They were like, like, no question about it. If Republicans don't want to engage in a cover up of pedophilia and this pedophilia ring, they should go sign this discharge petition. The Epstein saga is perhaps the nastiest example of a trend that infects his entire presidency. This idea that he wasn't close to him is crazy. But I do think that is going to be so important for us to really dig in. All of those are fair questions. There's also word that a bipartisan group of congressional investigators want to meet with Epstein's estate lawyers tomorrow.

7:51And remember, a lot of this got kicked up and escalated and elevated by people who claimed they wanted to get to the bottom of the Epstein scandal. Those people at one time included Donald Trump as a candidate, his attorney general, Pam Bondi, Mike Johnson, who you saw there saying he doesn't believe anything, He's not interested. The president now saying it's a dead issue. That is a tell. It doesn't mean they were all part of the crime circuit, but it does suggest that when they said they wanted to get to the bottom of this with evidence and the truth, they were lying. And now that there's opportunities to do so, that they are in power, that there are subpoenas that can be used and documents that the DOJ has under the control of Donald Trump, that they don't want that material out.

8:35So that raises the big questions. Why are they so scared for people to know that they knew what Epstein was like, some of what he was up to all the way back in 03? Why don't they want people to know what Maxwell was involved with? Why are they giving her leniency here in the second term? These questions are not going away. They are only escalating. And it is one of the few issues where there is some bipartisanship with Democrats and some Republicans to push on. That apparently scares President Trump. We're joined by Maya Wiley, a former SDNY civil prosecutor, human rights expert. I say all that, Maya, because it's easy to lose the thread with so much going on.

9:15But the thread was people who claimed they were going to get to the bottom of this becoming part of the cover up. Where does that stand today as you see some, not all, I'm careful to note, but some of these top Republicans, certainly the president, trying to shut this all down? I think it shows that they are certainly making themselves appear to be people with something to hide and something to worry about. You said it really well, Ari, when you said the question is why, right? But when you're looking at what you just walked us all through, what so many Americans are now seeing in their news feeds, when you see the image of that card with little girls with balloons and then that naked image later of what we know victims have said happened to them.

10:07Victims who have come forward survived, because not all survived, as we know Virginia Giuffre took her own life. That said, these are the kinds of things that happened to them. And then to have elected officials say, don't believe your lying eyes. We're just going to call it a hoax. I mean, we're just going to say it can't be believed. This is a pattern where the American public has said, wait, what? Why and why aren't we shining a light on what happened here and something that was literally federal crimes of sex trafficking that includes minors and where we have a history of powerful people not only engaged, but even in his first prosecution, helping to tamp down the serious nature of the alleged crimes so that we know in the future more crimes were committed from an administration.

11:06that is telling us all right now is it's threatening to violate the rights of Americans and people and residents in American cities because of crime, that he will not actually suggest that there is any legitimacy to investigating what and being transparent about the very allegations that there were powerful people potentially engaged in crime and crime that included children. It is simply outrageous and one that I'm just shocked by one thing. How can anyone who support the president just say, stop calling it a hoax? What about stop refusing to be transparent about sex crimes? What about that? It's criminal behavior we're talking about.

11:56And stop giving leniency in the prison assignment to his co-conspirator. I want to play the top banker, Jamie Dimon, very important person. The bank was basically exposed for bending over backwards for Epstein in the Times account this week. He gave his first big response today. Take a listen. You totally regret ever having to visit that man. But we always get better when we do. So when you talk about cyber safeguards or anti-money laundering or bad guys in the system, we're always trying to improve that. And it'll never be perfect because the bad guys are quite smart, too, about how they go about it.

12:36But we're among the best in the world. Doesn't mean we don't make mistakes. That's Diamond's response. It speaks to, again, the seriousness of this issue. People say, oh, is this conspiracy theories? Is this D.C. politics? This is hitting a lot of different places that have tried to be secretive. And while Mr. Diamond says they have these these programs, including AML, anti-money laundering, the Times account showed whether or not Diamond knew about it. They didn't they didn't find that in writing. But it showed that other people, top people at the bank, did know about it. The AML flags were waived.

13:13They just gave an exception to this horrific deceased sex trafficker. Let's just remember what the New York attorney general had been investigating as civil law violations around how Donald Trump and the Trump org utilized their financial records to manipulate and get access to loans. I say that because part of what we saw even in that case was at least the suggestion of powerful bankers kind of giving him a pass, bending over backwards. And I think this is actually at the heart, whether you were a Trump supporter or a Trump supporter or are someone who thought Trump should never come to power, that the common thread here is powerful people should not be able to abuse systems that should be working for all people in equal ways.

14:06And when you start to see one kind of abuse of power or one kind of pass that's given by the powerful private sector, when we have so many struggling people in this country, so many people who would love to get a bank loan, who are discriminated against by banks, for example, and then you hear these kinds of behaviors and then it escalates into actual physical and violent crime because that's what sexual assault is. That's what rape is. That's what and doing it to children. So it's like anything. Everyone wants to be safe. Everyone wants a fair opportunity. And central to this story, no matter where you are on the political spectrum, is power and privilege can lead to a failure of public safety.

14:53And in this case, a brazen refusal to listen to the survivors who have are traumatized and have come forward anyway and said that they will put their own list together. Yeah. Maya, you've been very clear on this. We're not letting it go. And we're trying to cover it on the evidence of the substance. I want to thank you, counsel Maya Wiley here. I want to tell everyone coming up here, we have these Epstein scandals, many of them surrounding Trump. They're driven by hard evidence from these new documents to the New York Times report. And so next, we turn to one of the country's greatest practitioners of investigative journalism, how to weigh this evidence.

15:30Reporter Bob Woodward is here with me in 90 seconds.

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17:12More new evidence ties a sex trafficker, Jeffrey Epstein, to Donald Trump, who's been busted for submitting that birthday message to Epstein and these materials released by the Epstein estate, which undercuts Trump's rather loud denial and then lawsuit claiming that no such card exists. The one you see with your own eyes, which puts scrutiny on Epstein's links to Trump over the years, his death in custody of the Trump DOJ, Trump's secrecy about it all. This scandal continues to drag down Trump's second term with more evidence coming out. And now here on this big news night, we turn to a journalist who knows all about reporting out a big story.

17:51Joining us now, Pulitzer Prize winning reporter, Washington Post journalist, author Bob Woodward. Thanks for being here. Thank you. Great to have you. We have so much to get to. I want to start with investigative reporting and new evidence. We have this rather salacious birthday book from Jeffrey Epstein. This is something that President Trump denied submitting a card to. But now from the Epstein estate, which is quite a source, it has been released under subpoena to the Congress and now to the public. What is the import, in your view, of getting the hard evidence like this? What does it tell us?

18:27There's nothing better than a firsthand source or a document or contemporaneous notes, something that has an automatic validity with readers and viewers. And so this this is compelling and is is a mess for Trump. And what I know about it is not a whole lot, but it sure looks like a lot of young women were abused in a way that is so appalling, so awful, so leveraging the seniority and the masculine identity, which Epstein was a practitioner of, I guess. I mean, he's now dead for six years, so he can't be interviewed. But this, my heart, quite frankly, goes out to the women who were abused in this way in such a massive, ugly way.

19:41Really ugly way. And what the birthday book, which is new, shows was a high degree of awareness by multiple people, including Donald Trump, what has been called the body or lecherous references, the drawing. legally, and we have it here, it doesn't mean Donald Trump committed crimes with Epstein, but as evidence, it means he shows an awareness of some of what Epstein was doing, as do other entries. A fascination with it and a kind of participation in some of it. Now, it's not yet conclusive, but if you're looking at this as a reporter, you say, wow, Trump is, as they say in poker, all in on many of these phases that are now known and documented.

20:42And you've done this type of reporting with so many different politicians going at people in both parties. You were also sued by Trump at one point. He sued the Wall Street Journal saying there was no card. Now, as opposed to last week, we have the card from the Epstein estate. What should that tell us about how to assess these types of denials and even lawsuits from him and politicians who play this game? Well, in the case of the lawsuit against me, the judges dismissed it and given Trump an opportunity as he should, or as lawyers to come back and raise new questions. And that's what happens.

21:25But that's been dismissed. And it's about the publication of Trump's voice in interviews I did that Trump did voluntarily, acknowledged it was being recorded, acknowledged it was on the record. So it's very much a clear case. And I think the judge understands this. But again, you never know what's going to happen in a court case. But with Trump suing The Wall Street Journal over something that's now been highly corroborated, how do we take that lawsuit? It's all for show? Well, there's a lot. I mean, Trump definitely thinks that if you sue somebody, and it's not just his supporters, but I think there's, ah, well, somebody's suing, there's at least a question.

22:20And it is a way to gain the appearance or the reality of leverage. And then we see some lawsuits. I mean, you know this as a lawyer that in lawsuits, sometimes it's good at answering questions And sometimes it's terrible because it gets settled or it goes off on some side issue and so forth. So this will play out. The other reporting this week from The New York Times is deep investigative work, interviews, documents, some material that had been under seal to show that this big bank, J.P. Morgan, really did look the other way. while these crimes were occurring and had some of its bankers allegedly involved in some of the very business Epstein was up to, which is a conflict, if not worse.

23:22I wonder what you think we should do with this kind of reporting in a time where - Well, we should appraise it. It's a masterpiece. I've read it twice, I think, of that kind of in-depth reporting, and it takes a new angle. J.P. Morgan, what did they know, and when did they know it, and what did they do? I salute the New York Times, because that clearly took a great deal of effort and investigative chops and experience and probably editors, or I'm sure editors, what about this, what about that, go back to so-and-so. And how is that different from the world we're in where everyone has an opinion or a conspiracy theory about Epstein versus that kind of dogged reporting?

24:19Well, we need more dogged reporting and, you know, old theme and I'll rip it. There's nothing like a firsthand witness. Somebody who is a reporter can sit with and say, what happened? When was it? Do you have any notes? Are there any documents? What do you think this means? The last question is always, who else knows about this? What's their phone number? How can I get in touch with them? Have you spoken with them? And again, the variable in all of this is time. As somebody who's worked for the Post for over 50 years and done, what, 23 books, I have the luxury of time. No one says you have to turn it in now, even a book.

25:16If I say I need new time, more time, the publisher, Jonathan Carpet, my publisher, Simon & Schuster, yes. I mean, take it, but then you're putting yourself out and say, you know, it's going to be worth waiting for. You mentioned that you had the president on tape and that was agreed to and that was part of the dispute. I want to pull from some of that, as we've done before, because it's this evidence of how he was thinking then in the White House in the first term. Some things he was thwarted. Now he's back and we've seen what the second term feels like. Here he was saying, when asked about achievements, what he wanted to do to people in government.

26:01Take a listen. I will consider this one of my greatest achievements. getting the scum out of government and its scum. It's the lowest form of human garbage, these people. And I don't mean FBI people. I mean top people in the FBI. What do you hear there, and is that part of his agenda today? Well, I mean, it's retribution. It's vengeance now. And people who have investigated him or people who have crossed him, He will say things like that and make judgments. But that's his style, and he thinks it's worked for him. And is it worse? By which I mean, is it testing or crossing legal and governing lines more in the second term than the first, when he did seem held back by some?

26:55Well, people say that, and there's some evidence of that. I don't know if you can make a full comparison, but, you know, let's see. I mean, in the Epstein case, you know, it came up a couple of months ago, and now all of a sudden there is this avalanche of new evidence, including drawings and allegedly Trump's signature, and a kind of it's the old boys club meeting and talking about girls. And it's the undertow. And on the surface, some of it's pretty racy and sexist. Sure. And there's been sex trafficking crimes convicted there. All right, Bob Woodward, stay with me. And we'll be right back.

27:56President Trump has claimed so many powers, the Supreme Court is extra busy. The news tonight, it will review this case rejecting Trump's effort to seize emergency tariff powers that a court found he didn't have after intervening to give him more leeway in cases where other judges had trimmed his power grabs. And this comes as the court faces really a backlash for granting a number of emergency rulings for Trump, including green lighting ice tactics. Overall, today's court is more Trump friendly, but the Supreme Court is usually the last check on White House power. Past presidents like Nixon learned how the court can upend an entire presidency, which is something Bob Woodward found in his Watergate reporting and then later studied in his own journalistic account of the high court.

28:39So let's start there. I was thinking about your book, The Brethren, which covered the Supreme Court at a different time. And you write there from your observation that those justices, quote, were horrified at the prospect of major decisions being reversed in a year's time. The court would appear to be political, its decisions less rooted in the law than in the personalities, politics of the individual justices. I wonder how you compare that to now, where the fairest way I can say it is the Senate's process for picking justices has gotten far more political and partisan than even then. Well, I mean, the president's pick justices.

29:22No, but the Senate, the way the Senate has dealt with the process, the litmus tests, you know, what they want vis-a-vis the president has gotten, I think, more partisan on both parties. And then the Republicans, more on their side than the Democrats, have been able to effectively get more judges onto the Supreme Court, famously not going through the process for Obama. So that's what I would call a very partisan act. They didn't even hold the hearings. And then, of course, Trump got several justices on the court now. They all insist they're independent. But I'm going to put up a bunch of cases on ICE raids, on an approach to government firings.