Who is Natalie Harp? Trump's "Favorite" Aide

19 Aug 2026 · 42 min · 15 chapters

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In short

The episode mixes two threads: (1) midterm politics, focusing on primary results and what they signal about voter fatigue with “establishment” picks and Trump; (2) the “Natalie Harp” story—why a Trump aide became a major media target after being name-checked in a John Ossoff campaign speech.

Guests and backgrounds

Reverend Al Sharpton (host of Politics Nation; longtime civil-rights/political organizer via National Action Network; has hosted top Democrats at NAN events). Bill de Blasio (two-term NYC mayor; worked on police reform with Obama; previously ran in the Democratic presidential primary). Joan Walsh (National Affairs Correspondent for The Nation; wrote/covered politics for years). Rhapsody (Grammy-winning hip-hop emcee; cultural storyteller; album Guy Gotta Get Afro and Gold Hoops).

Key claims

Florida’s Angie Nixon win reflects affordability-focused progressive messaging and broader anti-establishment energy; Trump is losing influence inside his party. For Harp: she’s a “trusted aide” with unusual access (including situation room) and heavy involvement in Trump’s online output; her closeness and Trump’s personal reactions are framed as symptomatic of distracted, vanity-driven governance.

Notable examples

Nixon beating Alexander Vindman in Florida; McCarthy warning Republicans lack a clear economic message; a Lindsey Graham sister debate clip where she says “national security is not my thing”; Ossoff’s “ballroom”/“Natalie Harp” jab; Harp being called onstage by Trump; Harp allegedly linked to online/social-media “garbage” and Truth Social content.

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Chapters

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Primary Night Insights

1:06 to 4:03

Ari analyzes the trends and results from recent primary elections.

“It's another primary night in America, folks.”

Shifts in GOP Dynamics

4:03 to 5:28

Discussion on how GOP voters are rejecting Trump's endorsements.

“The Post headlining that loss of a key witness from the Trump impeachment days.”

Guest Introduction

5:28 to 5:56

Ari introduces guests Reverend Sharpton and Bill de Blasio.

“Presumably, he sees the problem and the failure, and so do a lot of Republican primary voters who I just showed you are often now just rejecting to Trump-endorsed candidates.”

Political Realities in Florida

5:56 to 7:51

Sharpton and de Blasio discuss implications of recent Florida election results.

“who squared off against Trump and worked with then-President Obama on police reform.”

Coalitions and Progressives' Future

7:51 to 9:39

The need for coalitions among progressives and civil rights leaders.

“Republicans and Trump voters have seen their gas prices gone up.”

Upcoming Challenges for Democrats

9:39 to 14:03

Discussing the importance of voter engagement and issues in upcoming elections.

“need to say we may not agree on three things, but we agree on seven.”

Moderate Voter Appeal Strategies

14:03 to 14:55

Explore how political candidates can appeal to moderate voters.

“But in Florida, we may achieve some of that.”

Lindsey Graham's Sister in Senate Race

16:33 to 20:26

Discussion on Lindsey Graham's sister's qualifications for the Senate.

“We're back with our Power Midterms panel.”

The Natalie Harp Phenomenon

20:27 to 24:24

An analysis of Natalie Harp's relationship with Trump and its implications.

“The president sleeps through his meetings.”

Trump's Priorities and Vanity Projects

24:25 to 28:00

Examine how Trump's focus on vanity projects affects governance.

“and build the ballroom than do your job as president.”
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Understanding Trump's Relationship with Natalie Harp

28:00 to 29:36

Explore Trump's complex need for admiration and the role of Natalie Harp in his narrative.

“We witness a leader who is undoubtedly powerful, rich, and famous, but who remains enraged that right now, as he clearly knows, he is so unpopular before a nation of Americans that know him quite well.”

Joan Walsh's Insights on Trump's Aide

29:36 to 35:38

Joan Walsh discusses the influence Natalie Harp has on Trump and the implications for his administration.

“We're back with Joan Walsh, National Affairs Correspondent for The Nation magazine.”

Discussing the Fall Back List

37:16 to 42:01

Rhapsody and Joan Walsh share their thoughts on societal issues and the importance of knowledge.

“Back with us is Joan Walsh, of course, veteran journalist, correspondent for The Nation magazine, co-produced the documentary The Sit-In.”

The Cultural Impact of Hip-Hop

42:01 to 45:56

Explore the power of hip-hop as a unifying force in culture and politics.

“There's guns, there's sexuality, all in those things.”

Natalie Harp's Background Check

45:57 to 46:28

Discuss the implications of Natalie Harp's security clearance situation.

“We report on that, and now there's some new reporting from MSNOW that she declined repeatedly to get the routine security clearance usually obtained by West Wing staffers.”
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Transcript

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1:19We are celebrating more than just a primary victory. We are celebrating the return of a resiliency, the renewal of a hope, The belief in each other once again. A big upset. The Democratic Socialists, Angie Nixon, won her party's nomination. This is a major victory for the progressive movement. They look at this movement and they call us extreme. They call us radical. But I think people see from that. I won't let them define me. And I know you will always know where I stand. You heard those references to upsets. you know, primaries can often come down to just the party faithful and they have often lower turnouts.

2:01But this year, we're actually seeing two key trends across several of these primaries, higher turnout and interest, which Democrats say could build towards a blue wave in November, and voters in both parties rebelling against establishment picks, especially those that are trying to be offered out of Washington. Now, think about this. The political media often covers that point I just referenced and that trend by focusing on leftists and democratic socialists who are winning some primaries. And they are bucking more establishment candidates, including last night. That's happening. But interestingly, we see a similar trend right now in the GOP primaries, where Trump is now an unpopular establishment figure like a Biden or a Bush when their approvals waned.

2:45And voters are starting to reject his endorsed candidates as well. That's what voters did just yesterday. One report noting the GOP spurned Trump's endorsement in two House races, even in Florida, of course, home to Mar-a-Lago. It's where Trump now calls home when he's not at the White House. And that's six Trump candidates losing just this month alone. It shows the limits of his influence with sagging approval, even among Republicans, the Hill reports. While Democrats backed a progressive for senator in Florida, a Democratic socialist who you just heard from there, Angie Nixon. which suggests that in some places Democratic voters are hungry for what they perceive to be new strong leaders.

3:26And this goes beyond just fighting Trump because, you know, I always try to keep it real with you. Let's just say few people outside of Florida have been tracking every single candidate in the primary there. But I will remind you or tell you that Nixon actually beat someone who was once the face of standing up to Trump, someone who did risk his career for it. She beat veteran and former star Trump impeachment witness Alexander Vindman. Now, he had the kind of resistance credentials that many Democrats have coveted in past election cycles. But it wasn't enough yesterday. The Post headlining that loss of a key witness from the Trump impeachment days.

4:09Other outlets declaring that this sort of era of anti-Trump resistance heroes is over. Mind you, the grassroots interest in fighting Trump is high among Democrats. But handing over the keys just to someone who stood up and was sort of a resistance hero, that might be ending. At least that's how one article notice put it. Meanwhile, former Republican Speaker Kevin McCarthy, who was run out of Congress by his party's right flank, warning Republicans today. The midterms right now, I'm worried because the generic ballots over six. So that's advantage to the Democrats. I'm worried that I'm not seeing the clear message from Republicans.

4:51What is the plan of why you should stay in the majority? What is your economic plan going forward? What are you touting as the successes that you've had already? I'm worried about certain states. You know, he was a speaker of the House at one point, but he could just as easily have been a diplomat because everything he was just saying was basically Trump failed, Trump sucks, and Republicans who are trying to avoid that have a problem. I'm just translating it for you. Maybe I'm Kevin McCarthy's Trump anger translator, although it's not a job I'm applying for. But he said it, of course, without trying to further antagonize Trump and the right flank that ran him out of office.

5:27But he did say it on Fox News. Presumably, he sees the problem and the failure, and so do a lot of Republican primary voters who I just showed you are often now just rejecting to Trump-endorsed candidates. Now we're going to turn to our midterms outlook to start the show tonight with two guests who know this terrain very well. Politics Nation host Reverend Sharpton has actually been hosting top Democrats at his National Action Network convention, really chopping it up and learning where people stand. And two-term New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio, who squared off against Trump and worked with then-President Obama on police reform.

6:04This is not a problem. simply of Ferguson, Missouri. This is a problem that is national. The president referred to what each of us feels that gives us a sense of urgency. You see the two of them there together at the White House. Both men have also run in the Democratic primary for president looking slightly different in their younger days. Rev looks better and it's great to see you. Yeah, thank you. Very diplomatic. You handled that beautifully. Well, diplomacy seems to be a theme. Mayor, we showed you working at that level because you have been in it. What do you see in both the warning signs for Republicans and what I mentioned that I think might be different than some of the D.C.

6:50narrative, which is both parties are actually sick of business as usual. There's no question. First of all, I want to just tell you, Ari, I have been waiting my entire life looking at those Florida results. I've been waiting my entire life to vote for a candidate named Nixon. Okay. So I'm happy to say I hope she does great. No, look, I think your thesis is right. I think the reality in Florida, that idea of the resistance hero being yesterday's news. Yes. And people don't want to hear anti-Trump. They want to hear how are you going to fix our reality at the kitchen table? What are you going to do?

7:27Bring down the price of gas, of health care, raise wages? You know, Angie Nixon spoke to those issues. A lot of the progressives have been just extraordinarily disciplined about staying on affordability. I think Mom Donnie did a great job last year setting that tone. So the Democratic establishment in Washington has been trailing behind that reality, finally starting to catch up with the progressives. I think that is a reality. At the same time, there's no question that Trump is losing his own party, not only because folks have felt the effects, right? Republicans and Trump voters have seen their gas prices gone up.

8:02But also that air of inevitability is gone. A year ago today, if we were talking about Trump, we'd be talking about how much power he had in his own party and he's on a roll with his executive orders. he doesn't have a vision anymore, especially starting with the war. And I think his voters see it too. And they realize this trip is over. I definitely feel that that is correct, because you should not underestimate the fact that Nixon was a state legislator, was working on the ground talking about the issues, and even said, I may disagree with some of the DSA stuff, but I agree with others. Running against a guy who basically had no campaign and basically was playing as a celebrity who stood up to Trump, and he should be giving credit for that.

8:47But do you put him in the Senate for that? And I think that's what the candidates were saying. The other thing I think that the Nixon win is good for is it's time for the socialists and the progressives to come to terms with pulling the Black community and interest in, because affordability is also race-based and a lot of the issues. And I think her winning and being there is a good thing. We're having a big march on Washington on August 28th. All the civil rights leaders are joining Martin Luther King III. We've invited Bernie Sanders and AOC to come and speak, because if you merge the progressive movement and the civil rights movement and the deportation movement together, you can't lose anywhere.

9:36They need to separate us. And we need to say we may not agree on three things, but we agree on seven. And we need to take the win. And I think that's the kind of campaign that Nixon ran and she won. Well, and you're referring to the legacy that, of course, you've devoted your career to, which is figuring out how what they broadly call the left and the civil rights community works within electoral politics. Otherwise, you're always on the outside. You don't win anything. You know, people at one point criticized you of going to the inside. I know I've talked to you before. So you say you do both.

10:10MLK, at the end of his career, and a life cut short, was working on union organizing. That was after he went into being anti-war and people said, hey, you got enough problems just being a widely sometimes reviled black civil rights leader. Why get into the war? And he said, well, they're linked. And we have a war today that a lot of folks on the left, center, and right opposed. And yet on the electoral piece, I'll go to first you, Reverend, back to the mayor. At least the prognosticators are saying, actually, with Nixon being the nominee, they think, and Florida's been read, it now becomes, quote, Crystal Ball from Sabato says, Florida Senate race now safely Republican.

10:47Your reaction to that too soon? I think it's too soon. I think that we need to see what kinds of coalitions they bring together. And I think that the fact that you're going to have Trump dominating that race, because if there's one that plays the chief disciple of Donald Trump, it's the gubernatorial candidate, Byron Daniels. And he's going to out-Trump Trump. And I think that may help drive a vote out. If I were the Democratic Party in Florida, I would get Byron on every show they can. I would get him on everything you can because he's going to sing Trump. He's going to have Trump aware on. Well, he's been on this show.

11:32I don't know if he'll come back and cycle. He came on my show. I don't think he wants a rematch, but he's welcome because I just want him to talk. And the more he talks, the more they have a chance. And for the mayor, let me show you a little bit of last night. the Democratic nominee, who some of our viewers will recognize, full disclosure, was he's now independent, but previously was a contributor on this channel, as well as he's got a background. Let's take a look at this exchange. Is this a state, Florida, that can elect you as governor, but also elect progressive Angie Nixon for the U.S. Senate at the same time?

12:08Well, we're going to find out. We're going to find out. Look, I reject the DSA. I reject socialism. I'm a capitalist, and I think capitalism provides the greatest amount of economic mobility. I have been with Angie on the trail, and I'll tell you this, she's a fighter. She leaves it all on the field. She goes in every room talking about what I talk about. This is going to be fascinating. I don't think we have a scenario like this previously. Jolly former Republican Democrats, he should have some real appeal to moderates and even Republicans who are fed up with Trump. And we now see that's a substantial and growing part of the Republican Party.

12:43uh, Angie Nixon should be able to reach deeply young voters, progressive voters, African American voters. That combination could add up to something really interesting. They might help each other in some powerful ways. By the way, does that work? Because as I mentioned, I mean, our viewers remember Jolly was on here as a former Republican who said, well, you know, the party left me for Trump. Right. Um, and we've got other Republicans, Michael Steele's like that. Now he's saying, okay, he went all the way in to becoming a Democratic nominee in his state. Yeah. That's a hard move to pull off. Do you think that helps him, though, for the reasons you said that there are basically.

13:19Indy and centrist Republicans who are done with Trump in Florida. He is a great candidate, I think, for those voters. But I think he would have alone struggled with these other pieces of Democratic coalition that we need. Well, Democrats, look at 2024, Ari. We did not, in many parts of the country, where we needed a strong black vote, it wasn't there. People were not excited. They were upset to see the Democratic Party not speaking to their issues enough. We certainly saw a big number of young voters stay home over Gaza and other issues. you've got to get it for our party to win. You really have to have strong allegiance from black voters, progressive voters, young voters.

13:59There's no reason that can't correlate to a candidate or other messages like affordability that also have a lot of appeal to more moderate voters. I'd love it. It was one candidate all the time. But in Florida, we may achieve some of that. You're talking about the coalition. Yeah. Rev, I want to ask you, and this may sound like a leading question, but whether if you are a NEPO Republican candidate with no real basis or foundation, does it work to say at a debate, I just don't know anything about that? Is that good enough in these midterms? I'm going to show the clip and get Rev's answer when we're back in 90 seconds.

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16:33We're back with our Power Midterms panel. And as promised, I was going to cue this up for Rev Sharpton. This is Lindsey Graham's sister who was sort of pushed in by the party on family name to run for the Senate. Here she was in this kind of debate oops moment. I'm just going to be honest here. I'm not on national security. I'm not that informed on national security. But I do support the military. My brother was in the Air Force for 33 years. So I will do everything I can to support the military. My dad was in the army. I'm not a polished politician up here. National security is not my thing, not my area of expertise, but I do support the military.

17:20Rev, is that good enough? If you want to be a United States senator, vote on the war. We got this going on in Iran. It's great that her family has this history. I think that's great for her family. But is that good enough today? No, I don't think it is. When you're dealing with the fact that not only are we in a war that we shouldn't be in, we're paying for it. You've got people right there in South Carolina that are paying exorbitant prices for gas. And you're saying, I don't even know about the root of the problem, which is a foreign policy. It also shows a lack of real political acumen because an average politician would have known how to pivot to something else.

18:00I mean, I ran for president, he ran for president. And you get in debates. There are going to be things you may not be as clear as. I never was. I didn't have some idea what you're talking about. But you know how to take your strong point and move on. She did not do that. Yeah, she said, let me read it to you. She said with a yellow pad, which was really. I've never been at a debate that they let me bring the notes. I got my notes here, but I'm not running for office. But yeah, she looked a little disjointed. I just want to read it back to you. She said, quote, national security is not my thing.

18:31Right. And therefore, a lot of voters could say, so the U.S. Senate is not your thing. I mean, if national security is not your thing, how are you running for the U.S. Senate? Now, to be fair, a quote like that that's even worse was Donald Trump when he said, I don't care about inflation. Right. Right. So, I mean, this is troubling to see a candidate for U.S. Senate look that out of place. But I just want to note, you've got the president of the United States saying with bravado, he doesn't care about the number one issue that people are dealing with. And this is what I think the Republican Party just does not have a way out of this trap when their leader, who is their entire brand, does not even want to talk about the cost living, let alone offer a substantial plan for addressing it, doubles down on war.

19:19It can't find a way out of the war. The war is making the prices go higher. And then admits that lack of concern openly. How many times is that going to be played in the fall election? Right. I mean, they are in an extraordinarily troubled state and they don't have a way out and they don't even know how to challenge their own leader when he's wrong. Right. And if the if the out of touch dodging, it's not my thing, answer has become normalized. It's not clear that everyone else is going to get away with it the way Trump used to, and certainly not in this economy. Well, I don't know that Trump's getting away with it now.

19:50Anymore, yeah. Because there was a lot of pushback on that. And so he comes back the other night in a rally and tries to say that you've got to pay a little bit more because we've got to keep the atomic bomb out of their hand. He tried to play that fear. And that was him trying to step back a little bit from what you can't take back. I agree with Bill. it's going to be on everybody's commercial in November, unless they are malpractice people in terms of... He said it. I mean, he gave you one right up the middle. He said it jauntily. Yeah, happily. My thanks to both of you on our midterm power panel.

20:26Next, we turn to the harp story that is getting Washington talking. And somebody said she's here. Are you here, Natalie? Where's Natalie? Will you come up here, please?

20:48The president sleeps through his meetings. He wants to build his ballroom and travel with Natalie on their apparently defenseless flying palace gifted by the Emir of Qatar.

21:01Democratic Senator John Ossoff name-checked Trump aide Natalie Harp in that campaign speech, which attacked Trump on several fronts. But what you heard there, that brief reference, clearly upset Trump the most. It set off tons of coverage in serious outlets from the Times to the Journal, big headlines. Now, is this kind of a media frenzy in a summer lull? Or did President Trump break his own PR rules by clearly overreacting to an attack which lets opponents define the topic for once? Or is there something odd and potentially substantively revealing here? Well, we do know some facts. Harp is a trusted aide with a somewhat vague portfolio.

21:42She has the access of top Trump advisors like Stephen Miller. And she is involved with Trump's online posts, really acting more as an amplifier than any kind of filter. And that could be part of her close tie to the president, because he certainly posts a lot online. But of course, there are other aides who hold titles that are higher than that in that portfolio, like running digital and social media. So the Harp-Trump relationship has gotten more attention lately. You can see them interacting behind the scenes in this film. How many people are watching? Can we tell how many, Dan? How many people are watching?

22:23She's talking about how great San Francisco was before she destroyed it. The things of which she complains. Things of which she... That's sort of them kind of doing political work. and she's part of typing up what he wants to tweet or post. Another film from Fox presents one moment when he called her up on stage. And somebody said she's here. Are you here, Natalie? Where's Natalie? Will you come up here, please?

22:56It is rare to be called up on stage and get that kind of shout-out when you are a staff member. Nowadays, we know Harp spends more time with Trump than basically any other aide, and she reports exclusively to the president and no one else. That's an unusual reporting structure, the journal notes. She sits on key meetings, including in the National Security Situation Room. Now, some White House aides bristle at her access, and you could say that's just a normal kind of political competition. Others are downright mystified by the warmth of the professional relationship they have and how that has spilled into public view.

23:33Harp wrote to Trump in a letter, you're all that matters to me the Times reports and Trump tells people about her affection and quote love for him that Harp is the only one who loves him as much as his wife and children he recounted according to the Times his other staff will go off and make money Trump would say but quote Ms. Harp will never leave him in another one of those letters she wrote I want things to always be right between us I also know I've been distracted all week forgetting to eat throughout the days, even forgetting to sleep, and only catching a couple hours at a time, she explained to her boss, signing it with all my heart, Natalie.

24:14If Trump is taking any of the varied criticism he faces very personally these days, it appears to be on this topic. Mr. President, yesterday, John Ossoff said you'd rather travel with your aide, Natalie Harp, and build the ballroom than do your job as president. What is your response, John Ossoff? You mean Pee Wee Herman? Pee Wee Herman lookalike? Trump and his allies have seized on that nickname That was not off the top of his brain That's something they've tried to roll out To brand Ossoff with a kind of negative visual comparison To the controversial TV personality Well, I'll tell you, we will skip any pics of Pee Wee Herman tonight But here is one of the talking chairs from his show If you want to think about where the president's mind is But those attacks have only added fuel to this story and driven headlines, which is a dynamic that Trump knows.

25:09The U.S. is facing major problems while Trump's approval has crashed to an all-time low. And every other president usually makes a public point of focusing on domestic problems. The Harp Saga does also fit a wider pattern where Trump puts his personal needs, ego, fixations, political revenge, and often questionable and corrupt profiteering above even a pretense of publicly governing this nation facing all these problems. And when you look at the few cabinet meetings Trump has held, which are, of course, a rare vital time to coordinate every federal agency together and set the agenda and do governing, many have devolved into bizarre efforts at praising Trump rather than doing any work.

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25:58This is the greatest administration. I want to thank you for your vision, for your courage. Thank you for doing the work of the free world. I don't know of any American president in the modern era that could have made this possible. I'm grateful this holiday season for you, Mr. President. Mr. President, it is my distinct honor. The greatest cabinet ever for the greatest president ever. This is stuff for the history books. this is stuff for legacy. That happens at a bunch of different cabinet meetings, not just one, presumably because people figured out that's what Trump wants and they do that instead of working.

26:37That was across more than one. The last actual cabinet meeting was about three weeks ago. And Trump, we know, has been focusing on pricey construction, vanity projects, saluting himself. Even as judges have limited his power to unilaterally remodel the White House, which is a permanent public building, not his personal property, or renamed the Kennedy Center after himself. New York Times reporter Maggie Haberman has been one of the few reporters on the Trump beat since back in the New York days before he was president. She's interviewed him many times. She has access, and she says quite seriously that she estimates those vanity projects now take up the bulk of his mental focus.

27:18If you looked at, like, a chart of his mindshare, like, this I will say about getting into his mind, like, 70 % of it would be on his renovations.

27:32What? So Washington's interest in this particular saga over this Trump aide does link out to this broader problem in governing, which the public is clearly aware of. this is what Trump's second term looks like. It is totally different from what he promised. And we see the vast power and fortune of public service being turned into a petty private profiteering of a apparently upset lame duck. We witness a leader who is undoubtedly powerful, rich, and famous, but who remains enraged that right now, as he clearly knows, he is so unpopular before a nation of Americans that know him quite well. And so he digs into insisting that he must still be loved.

28:21Trump observers noted that his tributes to Ms. Harp don't focus on her for her work or her talents on the job or her as a person. They focus on her view of him, the only one who loves him like a wife, the only one he says will never leave him, as the Times reported in that somewhat odd passage. Those words sound less like an affirmation of a person and more like rank narcissism, where pathological needs for excess admiration are usually linked to low empathy, which could sound familiar. In that old myth, Narcissus was punished in a spell by the goddess of revenge for his, what we now call, narcissism.

29:08But this ain't mythology. This is real life. The polls show most Americans think the Narcissus-in-Chief is actually punishing the rest of us with these distracted governing failures amid a slumping economy. So where do we go from here? Well, we've invited Joan Walsh to walk us through this next.

29:37We're back with Joan Walsh, National Affairs Correspondent for The Nation magazine. Great to see you again. Your thoughts about what this whole story touches off? Oh, it touches off so much, Ari, as you know. I mean, it's a real story because she is this person feeding him undigested garbage that he puts out on social media. She's the person who brought him the picture, allegedly, of the Obamas as apes. She's responsible for a lot of the garbage. And, you know, aides who have more experience, there aren't a lot of them. I mean, he doesn't have the finest cabinet. But, you know, there are other people who you can tell feel that they should be in more of that position.

30:17And she's crafting truth social with him late at night. I mean, it's a real job. She makes$150 ,000 a year. She's 35. She's not a child. And, you know, all this insinuation, it's really his people who've made it or who made, you know, Senator Ossoff's funny comments into something kind of dirty or perverse. But that's not what he said. And that's not what I think. I think she's the human binky, the human blanket. I think she's the nurse. She's not the mistress. whatever however she feels i don't know it may be just affectionate for an older man um but i i think he needs that kind of loyalty and he also needs that kind of love basically sent back to him and then you know constantly printing out i mean it's just so bizarre printing out twitter posts etc.

31:13You know, it's just like she has a lot of control over his mind space, such as it is. Yeah, I mean, you hear when we talk about IRL in real life. Yeah, IRL. This is someone who lives a lot of his mental focuses online and on the vanity projects, according to the New York Times. Sure. While everyone else has to suffer, as I put it, with the IRL punishment, unlike the Greek myth. She spoke at the 2020 Republican Convention. Let's take a look. You see, Mr. President, you've done so much more than your promises made and promises kept. For numbers only tell part of the story. We are the rest of it.

31:56Facts with faces of Americans who would still be forgotten if you and our favorite first lady hadn't given up your own wonderful life so we could have the chance at one. That's sort of the talking points. There's an almost sort of messianic quality to the way she casts him. And again, staying on the substance, that's not how the public feels. This is the highest disapproval he's ever had. Right. And it keeps climbing. Based on what people feel is that their lives are harder and that he lied and that he doesn't even try. I mean, we're in the media. We know how it works. You want to show that you care about high prices.

32:34One of the things you do is you hold a high prices related event every Monday. Right. In different parts of the country. And it's your way of saying, hey, I'm flying out to here to show you I care, even if you don't move the prices. Right. They don't even do that. And I know you wanted to talk about what David Axelrod argued, which is he said, oh, basically, this Ossoff comment could have been done better. The two words with Natalie seemed unnecessary. They distracted from the power of the message. John Ossoff drove the news cycle not only with those two words, but they contributed to it. John Ossoff is emerging as the single best critic of Donald Trump in every way.

33:13I'm doing a profile of him. I followed him to Savannah. He talks about his constituents who, you know, are having to give up chemo because they've lost their medical coverage. He is on the ground. He is indicting Trump for what the tariffs are doing to prices, what the Iran war is doing. He eviscerated Pete Hegseth a couple of weeks ago. He is the best at this. And I think what David Axelrod, all due respect, accomplished a lot, he and other folks like our friend Jim Carville, they don't understand how angry the base is. I'm not a democratic socialist. I am a progressive. But it's not even necessarily about John Ossoff is a progressive, but he's pretty much a centrist.

33:59It's not about the policies necessarily, but it's about the passion. And to your point, he's a winner of a statewide race. Yes. In Georgia. In Georgia. Which is not California. Which is not California. He has amazing, even Republicans praise his constituent services. Even Republicans are endorsing him. So I just think David kind of missed the moment. And there's so much centrist people bashing progressives and left people. It's incredibly destructive. And it really will not help us in November. So I would like him to step back. Yeah, interesting to hear you say that, as well as about Mr. Carver, who, like you, appears on this show.

34:42I'm well aware. I like him. Hello. No, but our minds are broad enough to hear all sides of these debates. And it speaks, of course, to what happened this week, which is even if many people had never heard of this particular aid, we've heard of Trump being this off the priorities of the public and then supplanting that are in the place of doing the job are these cabinet meetings and this thing. And he may be president, but even the president can't schedule a 9 p.m. cabinet meeting every night to be praised, to your point of the role she plays. I know you're sticking around. So Joan stays and we'll be right back.

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37:15It's summer and we are making time to fall back. And check out our great guest. Back with us is Joan Walsh, of course, veteran journalist, correspondent for The Nation magazine, co-produced the documentary The Sit-In. Harry Belafonte hosts The Tonight Show. She's written several books, including Corporate BS, exposing the lies and half-truths that protect profit, power and wealth in America. And making her beat debut, the Grammy winner Rhapsody, an emcee widely celebrated as a cultural storyteller vital to hip hop. She, of course, had that breakthrough feature on Kendrick Lamar's The Pimple Butterfly, other big projects like Layla's Wisdom and Eve, and a legendary catalog of collaborations.

37:54Too many to mention, but we have Black Thought, Lil Wayne, Erykah Badu, Queen Latifah.

38:09The winner is, for Lyricist of the Year, Rhapsody.

38:20I don't make female hip-hop. I rap. But everybody, you get it or you don't. Bars. Rhapsody is back with her fifth studio album, Guy Gotta Get Afro and Gold Hoops, which drops this Friday. Congratulations. Welcome to both of you. I'm happy to be here finally. I know. We've got to spend more time together than to get you on the show. Usually I have the opposite. I like Fat Joe's on the show and then we hang later, but I'm really glad to have you in. Likewise. We hung first and now I'm on the show. There we go. And nice to have you two together. Yeah. Really great to meet. Yeah. Yeah. Well, Joan's done this before, so I'll start with you.

39:00What's on your fallback list this week? I would like the people who invented and are distributing these, the ice gloves that harm people, that are meant, that are designed to harm anyone they grab, to fall back and never be heard from again. And in fact, Ari, you know me and I'm not a violent person, but I would put those gloves on and I would take those people and I would have them fall back physically because this can't be going on in our country. I mean, we know it can. We know we lost Renee Good and Alex Preddy in Minneapolis. We know we've lost so many people. But this is torture. This is legalized torture.

39:38And we're supposed to just stand by and say, oh, it's just another law enforcement tool. No, it's not. It's torture, it's cruelty, and it's got to be stopped. And you see Trump's agenda pushed more through ICE than other things. Yes. There are other problems that we've been covering, but you don't see this at FBI. They really, the masks, the gloves, and sometimes the disappearing of people, it's all run through ICE these days. It is. And CBP, it's really, it's his operation, and it's cruel, and it's harming American citizens. It's very important that it's harming non-citizens. It's not like we're more important, but they're just they just don't care about the law and they harm people in their way.

40:20They harm people who protest. They harm people who reach out to help their neighbors. And I don't think we're doing enough about it, to be quite honest. I spent I spent a lot of time in Minneapolis and I'll go back. You know, they led the way and we need more. Yeah. No, I appreciate you bringing that that one to the table. Rhapsody, again, welcome. What's on your fallback list? My fallback list is fallback on banning books. You know, there's so much truth. There's so much history. There's so many codes and messages. And a lot of times it's the uneducated and those that don't know, you know, that hold these atrocities, these policies, because it's just a lack of knowledge.

41:00So I think we need to not ban books and give everybody access to information and truth. What do you feel as an artist is so striking when, you know, most rap is poetry? Yes. and so you take poetry but if it's over a beat or it's coming out of a certain community people are so threatened by it they act like it's the problem i always say you know they say oh look at look at the guns in hip-hop and violence is an issue but i say you know uh hip-hop artists they don't create guns right they didn't manufacture the guns they didn't pass the supreme court precedent that made it easier to get the guns right and so i'm I'm curious how you feel as an artist that words are really under attack, at least in some of these efforts.

41:43Exactly. Hip hop is a powerful medium. It's a powerful tool. And I think that's what it is. It's always been a place of truth. It always put a mirror up to the world. It's a microcosm of something way bigger. You know, we like the point of finger at hip hop, but hip hop is just shows you what the world is at large. We don't talk about movies like that. There's guns, there's sexuality, all in those things. So hip-hop has always been a truth-teller. It was always either a mirror or a window. And some people don't like to look through either. And that's why I think it's under attack, because people know how powerful it is.

42:17It brings races together, religions together, people that don't speak the same language together. And unity was never what anybody wanted, because there's so much power in that. There's so much power and division in dividing us. That's what it's all about. And so I love hearing you say that. And I'm also appalled by the banning of books, the banning of knowledge, the banning of history, the messing around with the Smithsonian. You know, it's just unthinkable. And yet we've got to think about it because they really are doing it. And it makes you understand how dangerous our knowledge is, our artistry is, and our unity is to them.

43:01So we've got to keep all three up. Yeah, you know, Rapsi, it's funny because I feel so two ways about it. Like, the negative is this effort to control and censor. Right. The positive or the power that scares some of them is that culture matters. Right. Cool matters, however you define it, right? And, you know, we have a president, we have a political party over there that's like, oh, what they really want most is to be cool. Exactly. It, like, bothers them that they don't have that. That cool. as you see they they use the music even in their ads right like sure you know it's it's crazy like i want to use it to benefit my agenda even though my agenda hurts the very community that i want to steal from you know like that's always been it they they take from cultures they steal but they try to use it for their own benefit um and hip-hop is always the voice to say absolutely not you know still well what unites both of the fallbacks you guys brought up is you mentioned that uh they think they're being clever when they're really being mean or trolling, they call it, where they say, oh, we have this anti-immigrant, anti-diversity, uh, ice tactic.

44:11And we put it, as you said, against the music from an artist that may have a black or brown background. And they, they, they think it's like this, this trolling. And it's more like, actually, even, even when they're mad and trying to be negative, they know that that song is the song people actually are listening to. Right. So they, they, have to use it, even though they're opposed to everything about it. And they don't have any culture of their own. And that's what's so difficult for them. They just really don't. And we do. We've got the good musicians. We've got the good writers. There you go.

44:45I'm sorry. If it's a culture war, it's just which both sides play. Tell us a little bit with a minute left about your new project. Yes. I have a new album, God, God of Afro and Gold Hoops. I went to Ghana in Johannesburg. I was really inspired by my trip. It was supposed to be one of culture and history and knowledge. And I'm over there and I'm listening to how much westernized culture and spirituality has co-opted these places. And it made me think about here in America. And so I approached it as if my album was a banned book. Because if my albums were books, they all would be banned. And I said, I have to write it.

45:22And if I want to leave you truth and codes and message, what am I saying? And I want it to be joyful. and I want us to be soulful and funky and urgent, you know, and rebellious all at the same time so we never forget really who we are. We don't allow our history to be whitewashed or rewritten, you know. So that's why I got an Afro and Gold Hoop. Respect. I appreciate you making your beat debut. I hope you'll come back. I want to. Thank you for having me. Great to have you, Joan. Thanks for coming. Again, Rhapsody, thank you. We will be right back.

45:56President Trump has been responding to that reference to his aide, Natalie Harp. We report on that, and now there's some new reporting from MSNOW that she declined repeatedly to get the routine security clearance usually obtained by West Wing staffers. That's important because she is close to the president, including in situation room meetings. Apparently, with his backing, she got away with that for a while, but ultimately did get the background check in recent months. There were complaints even from fellow Trump colleagues in the White House. That does it for us. Say you've always wanted to have a backyard oasis.

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Aug 19, 2026; 6pm: MS NOW’s Ari Melber reports on new results and signals emerging from the primaries, including bruising losses for Trump-endorsed candidates. Reverend Al Sharpton and Bill de Blasio, former New York City mayor join. Plus, who is Trump aide Natalie Harp? Melber breaks down her role and influence.

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