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28:47Right. But when exploitation movies that I don't know anything about are retailing for$34.99, and I'm like, I should get that. Right. I'm trying to get away from that as much as I can because it's not healthy and it's not good for your bank account. But I have a widening understanding of movie history and I'm trying to continue to fill it out. And I want to be able to have access to stuff at any time. And like I just read this morning, the oldest movie that's available to stream on Netflix right now, guess what year it is? 1963.

29:21It's 1973. It's The Sting. That's the oldest movie that is available to stream on Netflix right now. That's fucking terrifying. There's 50 full years of movie history, of like Hollywood movie history, that comes before that movie that the biggest media streaming service is not making available, at least in the United States. That's not good. So when I read something like that, I'm like, I'm on a great mission. This is a great hobby. Sure. Okay. I even that I don't I I still think that I am picking books and curating books in a different way than you are in that and there's something the collector's mindset well we'll come back to it okay it's a it's a theme to revisit throughout the year that's all fine the arguing that that looks good they look like shit it is like it's just it's straight up ugly like I just I have to tell you it's ugly and Tracy to his credit pushed back immediately but I don't agree with Plastic does not look good.

30:21This is, at some point, film is an aesthetic, like, you know, is a visual medium. And we need you to understand some absolutes and that the rows of the plastic boxes don't look good. And Bobby, you're out here all of a sudden dropping indie, you know, label titles for Blu-ray releases. I don't like where this is going for you. Oh, no, no, no. That was just, I was trying to contribute to the hundreds of beavers discussion. I don't actually buy any of these things. Okay, but I was a little alarmed that you were even aware of the release. Do you know what I mean? This is just, yes. I was inspired.

30:56Thank you. Part of the algorithmic experience of the internet now is that I just get force-fed these things because I have a general interest in film. I just wanted you to know that I noticed. And I'm watching. Okay. All right. Well, now that I know I'm on Amanda's watch list, I'll tread very lightly in 2025. Nothing gets past me. That'll be one of my goals. Exactly. And I don't think plastic is beautiful. Fair enough. I grew up going to video stores and I loved video stores. And having a video store in my house is incredibly cool and visually relaxing. The video stores at least displayed the covers out.

31:28Some did. And I may get to a place if I ever get a bigger house where I would display in a different way. But for now, I'm doing the best I can with a limited space like I can in a garage. Which is like an entire garage with wall-to-wall shelving. That's correct. I would kill for that level of shelving for our books. Like we don't, you know. If I ever get another house, you can't imagine what I'm going to do. I'm going to build an incredible great room. I think the alarming thing is that I can. It's going to be so great. And you know what? You guys are invited to come over and watch films anytime you like.

31:59That's really nice. The setup will be amazing. There will be movie theater seating. It's going to be so special. But like the really good movie theater seating. It's my dream to do it. My dream is to look at the Martin Scorsese personal screening room and to try to design in that mold. If I'm spending all this money on physical media. What are the chairs like in his room? they're classic red red velvet movie theater seats they're not like Dolby room you know recliners I don't know I don't think there are photos of it online okay yeah I mean this is just images of screening rooms that wasn't a very good Google search I guess AI isn't working okay just so you know by talking about the construction of it on this podcast you've now signed yourself up to do a YouTube series like extreme home makeovers of you building this if someone wants to pay for this If there's like a Discovery Channel show that designs movie rooms.

32:48I will be involved. I'll give so much feedback. I am ready to be bought and sold when it comes to designing my home theater. I'm dead serious. If you're listening to this show and you want sponsorship and you make these things, fucking in. No question. It syncs so naturally with everything we're doing. And then I'll make the plastic more beautiful for you. I'll display it more elegantly. Again, see the Brutalist and let's talk. Okay, I'm going to. I have a ticket. Okay. Okay, number three. Not so sure about this one. Well, I just, it's more a report of what's really been going on in my household and what I've really been watching, which is that my son has discovered Paddington.

33:29The concept of Paddington, Paddington the character. You have books? The bear. We have the book. We have the bear who is one of his best friends. And Paddington the bear closes the curtains in his room every night. That's very cute. And turns on the noise machine, but it has to be Paddington. I really like that. Yeah, no, I do too. And I think it was my mother-in-law and sister-in-law, hi, Ruthie, went to London and they brought Paddington and the book back to Knox. Got it. So it's gone from there, as all things do. And we did, in October, when we had an infant, start exploring the movies. So Paddington 1, Paddington 2.

34:10And I got to tell you, this week, we started doing Wonka. We're just fully in the Paul King hive. So he watched Wonka. He loves Wonka. He requests Wonka. Listen, he also loved Paddington 1 and 2, which I have now seen. And I'm like part of the Paddington dad hive. Like what wonderful stuff. I was just also like weeping through half of both those movies. Obviously, I was in like a deeply emotional postpartum state. But like basically, it's dangerous to watch those. There's also some Amanda touch points there, right? You've got the dad from Downton Abbey. Yeah. The father in those films. You've got Nicole Kidman, obviously, in the first one.

34:49Sure. And Hugh Grant in the second one. You've got some big stars. Those movies are good. I've talked about them before. I will be teaching my own YouTube course called the Mission Impossible Influence on Paddington 1 and 2. Oh, 2 especially with the train? Yeah, but also in 1, there's like the overt. They actually, they play the theme song, I believe. And Nicole Kidman does the Langley. I haven't seen more in a long time. Nicole Kidman does the Langley drop. Maybe I should revisit it for our Nicole Kidman episode. Or for Paddington in Peru, which is coming out soon. And which I've got to... Oh, have you seen it?

35:19No, I haven't seen it. I was just going to say, notably not a Paul King movie. Paul King, the director of Paddington, Paddington 2, and Wonka. Now he's moved on to Wonka. So, you know, we'll see about Paddington in Peru. Anyway, that's what the kids are into in my house. If Knox loves something, then I love it. Okay. That's how I feel about it. That is nice. and also The Nutcracker, the Macaulay Culkin version, which we watched several times. That was a revelation for us. I did not know that was available. It's really well filmed. I watched it when I was like 11. This came out in 1993 and it's just, I believe it's the New York City Ballet version or maybe it's the American Ballet.

35:55Will you Google that for me? Balanchine production of The Nutcracker and filmed very well. But it's obviously because it's, you know, the primo Nutcracker production. The costumes and the sets are really... New York City Ballet. New York City Ballet, yeah. I've always wanted to go to the Nutcracker. I was in the Nutcracker as a small child. What role did you play? I was one of the toy soldiers. Okay. And I was on the taller side, so I was one of the toy soldiers carrying a saber. But we watched and I was like, Noxie, that was me. He did not understand that at all. Okay. But it is really beautifully filmed.

36:29They do a great job, right? Yep, it's an incredible production. You have anything else you want to share on the kids watching front with me? There was one you said yesterday that you were saving. Well, we've been watching a lot of live action movies. And I think some of it was related to Wicked coming along. Okay. And the wave of The Wizard of Oz becoming important to us. But she just, from looking at Disney Plus as we scroll to find the movie that we want, it's revealed that there are these live action adaptations of these classic films. So when you say live action movies, you've been watching the live action Disney films.

37:03Correct. And not like... I've been showing her Sicari. Yes. no, no. I mean, we watched the live action Cinderella, which I'd never seen. We watched the live action, actually Beauty and the Beast. Yes. Which I'd never seen. Um, we watched the live action. What else? I mean, she saw the trailer for the new Snow White. And she was like, I need that immediately. She's literally the only person in the world. I agree. Um, she has interestingly not asked for the Lion King or Mufasa. We have not seen the movie Mufasa. Oh, I have seen it and I did not think it was very good. And, uh, is just a tremendously disappointing Barry Jenkins two-year experience.

37:41I can't wait for him to get started on something else because I was watching actually The Underground Railroad recently out on the Criterion Collection. Right, right. Tracy brought this up when we were talking and I was thinking of it too. And what an amazing series that is. And I just look forward to his next non-Disney project. And yeah, these live-action movies are like somewhere between fine and horrendous. Yeah. And we've talked about a bunch of them over the years. we talked about Aladdin we talked about Maleficent 2 has she seen either of those? has not seen either of those we haven't gotten like that far down the chain but the one that she wanted to see recently was 101 Dalmatians which is like the OG live action with Glenn Close from the early 2000s which is pretty good I thought surprisingly good and also I had a take for you which is that Miranda Priestly that's just a rip off of Cruella of Glenn in that movie the hair for sure the whole the affectation the designer The designer aspect of it, you know, where like Cruella is a designer who's trying to get the fur for the puppies.

38:39Right. I mean, I like. Is this cited? Has this been discussed? You know, I don't think that Anna Wintour is, you know, ripping off Cruella. Are you sure? I'm actually not sure. The hair is very spot on. But no, Meryl has said that her inspiration for Miranda Priestly is actually Clint Eastwood. Seriously, she never raises his voice. That's like a real thing. Cruella raises her voice for sure. Okay. So, but yeah, that's a good movie. I mean, Glenn Close is good until she was in Hillbillyology. She admits the bad stuff. Let me see what else Alice has seen over the break. Was there something else that I mentioned that you want to talk about?

39:13Yeah, you said that there was something that was like unforgivable that she had learned about outside of your influence. Yeah, fucking super kitties. What? Whatever kid told her about super kitties at school, how dare you? What? It's like we have broken. What is super kitties? We have broken containment on the curated parental experience. And now culturally, we are just aware of things that are just not what I want her to be seeing. Now, obviously this happens to every parent. What is super kitties? It's just a 30-minute Disney Plus show for morons about cats that are superheroes. And it makes me want to gouge my eyes out.

39:47No disrespect to the fine people who make super kitties. That is better than Paw Patrol, at least. It is, but like how far are we from Paw Patrol now? I don't know. But you need to learn that we don't have that at our house. Unfortunately, it was identified while scrolling. You can't be scrolling. I mean, it's true. It happens to us all the time. I don't want to pick a fight in my home, but this was not something that happened to me. It's something that happened to my wife. And when I came in the house and saw that that was on, I was mortified. I have some feedback for the people who designed the Apple TV homepage because Knox can find the remote now and turns it on himself and then is like, I want that.

40:25And sometimes he tries to watch Deadpool and Wolverine or whatever, you know, their advertising. That's actually pretty cool. Silo, he tried. He says so many times. He's like, I watched Silo. I watched that. I watched that. No. He quit after one episode like so many others. I'm happy to report that Top Gun Maverick is just, it's like a huge passion still of our, but. Your husband shared with me that to soothe him at a time when he was frustrated recently, he just, he needed a little Top Gun. Oh yeah. We had to go to urgent care for an ear infection and we sat there waiting for the, it wasn't even Top Gun Maverick the movie.

40:58I just played the Top Gun theme song on my iPhone. Um, and we just sat there listening to it. Uh, and he knows how to rock out when the guitar solo really gets going in minute four of the Top Gun theme song, which is something maybe only he and I know about. Um, no, but loves Top Gun Maverick. The interesting thing though, uh, the moment where he loses interest in the movie is, um, Tom Cruise and Jennifer Connelly's quote unquote night of passion where he's just like, I don't care about this. Okay. That's when Tom Cruise checked out as well. He loves the boat. But as soon as they get back to Connelly's house, he's like, no, no, no.

41:31Start it over. I want whooshes. So there we go. Man of taste. Okay. What's next? The final note and the thing that I want to address. And this is also, you know, I hear from listeners, other people in our life. And this is a recurring question, just observation. We just want to check in on the monopods and how you doing. What do you mean? You know, you spend a lot of time alone in a dark room talking to Bobby on a screen, but really to yourself. And I want to know how you're doing. You know, do we need to check in? I mean, honestly, I feel as though I found my calling. I feel like what I want to do is connect directly.

42:22Okay. I want to look beyond the void and find connectivity. Okay. And so I've loved being in Studio 5. So that's been a point of connection for you? You feel closer to people? Yeah. All my unboxing boys. We did this great syllabus. That was Bob's idea. Yeah, no, no. I know about the syllabus. That was cool. And we'll be doing many more syllabi in the future. I, you know, I missed you dearly on the show. Sure. And I had fun with other co-hosts. Yeah. But. So that was like a. I'll tell you what. Here's the thing. I've been watching a lot of YouTube over the last few years, like many other people.

42:55And I'm just like watching people do that. And I'm like, this is super funny. And so what I'm trying to do is some version of it that is like 50 % sincere and 50 % that is self-parody. I understood that. And I hope it's funny and also informative. Yeah. And I'm enjoying it. I've been thinking a lot about what I could do in terms of unboxing videos. But my unboxing is like touring Luca Guadagnino's hotel in Rome, you know? You should do a whole teacup series. Just teacups of the world. I did Zach got me Sofia Coppola's Augustinus Bader lip balms for Christmas and it was a wonderful gift does any of those words mean anything to you?

43:29I know who Sofia is okay I know what lip balm is okay Augustinus Bader is the the body cream from Challengers that I keep talking about yeah yeah yeah and their their face cream is like their product but Sofia Coppola did a thing with them was that like roughly$27 ,000 I actually yeah he got me all three so it was it was like quite an investment. But it's a lovely gift set. Thank you so much, Zach. I like doing the videos in that room. People are like, the lighting is weird. I think the lighting looks good. It does kind of look like you've passed on to the next, you know, like to the great cinema in the sky.

44:04Exactly the essence I'm going for. I am the spirit of movies. Okay, I had two sub categories on this one that I wanted to check in. The first I added right before we started recording because you and Bobby have a very different perspective on the Mets in 2025 than what I took away from Juan Soto and the fact that you guys absolutely waxed the Phillies, which that was like the first week Cy was born. Like Cy was born right before that series. And so we were like, I was just at home and we organized our life around those Phillies Mets games. And that was a terrible decision. So I was sort of starting to fear the Mets.

44:52Well, I don't mind sharing this. When game one of that Philly series happened, I was on a text chain with CR and your husband, and there was a first inning home run in game one against Kodai Senga. And it was a risky move to start him in that game. And your husband came right out of the chute with some shit talking, right out of the chute. And I made a decision to not talk shit. And I didn't talk shit when the Knicks beat the Sixers earlier this year. Let's just say that when it comes to New York sports teams, we own Philly. We're not talking about the Sixers. I can't let that into my fucking life.

45:25The darkest time of anyone's year is coming, and that's February when the Sixers are on NBA League. They're attempting to recover their season right now, too. The Knicks, on the other hand, hottest team in the league. The Mets went on to win that series handily, one of the great baseball series of my adult life. I loved it I know Bob loved it I know Jack loved it the Juan Soto signing pure relation like magical something you never would have thought could be possible for this team when they were owned by the Wilpons obviously great I screamed about it on the pod since then they haven't done a whole lot and so I'm not criticizing them because I think they're doing the right thing right now but what I said to Bobby before we started recording was as of today I don't think that they're a playoff team that doesn't mean I think that they won't be a playoff team this year it means they have a lot of work left to do.

46:17For example, Pete Alonzo is unsigned or someone who will fill his role. For example, they have five guys who I'm not totally sure are going to be good competent starters in Major League Baseball this year lined up to start for them. It's a little iffy. Would you sign Pete Alonzo? I mean, grand slam aside. For the three years and 90 million that was suggested was an offer that they made in a heartbeat. I love that deal. Anything beyond that, I don't think is a good idea. And I don't think it's something that David Stern, their general manager, would want to do. Yeah, but it's like right up until the Grand Slam, there was no way he was getting.

46:48I think 0 % chance he was coming back. In fact, I think I might have tweeted like moments before that happened. Like, send this guy to The Hague. Okay. Even though I love Pete Alonzo and I've always loved him. So, you know, I don't know. Bobby, do you think that Pete will be back? Oh, I don't. I do think he will be back. And I think neither side will be fully happy, which is the definition of compromise when you're an imperfect free agent. Okay. probably like four years maybe four or five years with a lower AAV I don't know I just want to say don't let me in with his doomerism I was going to say I want your tongue check okay you're feeling okay you're feeling grateful and open in 2025 he's saying like as of right now the Mets would not be a playoff team it's January 2nd as of 50 games into last season they weren't going to be a playoff team and they still turned out to be magical so I think we just got to like we got to let go of all of that the worst thing will definitely happen what law is that I don't really I don't know I don't follow these things That's beautiful We need Science Corner for that Okay Let go of it Leave it behind Okay We're a quarter of the way Through this century Sean They will definitely win A World Series this century Will you and I be alive?

47:51I don't know Yeah I don't know A lot of people lived and died Without seeing the Red Sox win A lot of people That's true A whole lot of Boston fans So I guess I was alive technically When they won Bobby has never been alive When they won We'll see They're gonna be fine I think I trust Steve Cohen I trust David Starnes I really need baseball season To come back I'm very excited. Because I finally figured out my Dodgers situation. Yeah, let's go. Baseball is back in a big way. I've been waiting for this. Culture's finally boomeranged around. It's only January 2nd. We have so long to go and so much garbage Philly sports before then.

48:24Okay, final thing that I, subcategory that I want to check in on. So you published your annual best of 2024 list. I did. This is the first time in several years that I haven't been like with you while you were hiding in another room. That's true. Publishing it, which I did like have a moment of reflection. Yeah. How wonderful. Yeah. What were the circumstances in which you published this list? Well, like you, it's been a gauntlet of parenting over the last 12 days. So I literally had to beg off and be like, can you give me one hour? I just like to go do this so I can keep my tradition up. You have done that every year.

48:56Yeah. Yeah. But this year was different because it was like more high stakes. Got it. Because it was like, there's no cavalry. There's no Amanda coming in to entertain Alice for an hour. Yeah, that's true. I mean, we were in the same boat. Yeah. So, yeah, no, I just said, can I have an hour? But I was more diligent about navigating it all year. Okay. And so you've been arranging this and ranking this. So this is a ranking, right? It is a ranking, yeah. They're just, honestly, I respect it. You know, I look forward to this every year, if only to disagree with it. But there are a couple of things where I'm like, you're a real one.

49:26And I'd just like to let you know. Please. I really appreciate that you've got Goodrich at 65 above, a film I still haven't even seen, above The Beekeeper, above Transformers, above Saturday Night. Can I tell you something about Goodrich? You made a lot to me. You really liked it? I really liked it. I know everyone really likes it. I just haven't gotten there. The person who made Home Again and the person who made this movie, it's like two different people. Yeah. Well, I don't know. It's really well written. Michael Keaton is phenomenal. I mean, it has like, it's obviously very like familiar and tropey.

50:00Yes. But as someone who, you know, can respond to an elevated version of that, I think you'll really like it. Yeah. No, I'm sure I will too. Also, I love Michael Keaton. By the way, condolences to that whole family, Charles Shire. Oh, Charles Shire. Yeah, their dad. No, no, no. To the Meyer Shire family. And you know, I certainly don't want to make light of this in light of their loss, but it's hard to not watch that movie and not think about the fact that the woman who made this movie has made a movie about her father or a father of some kind and her relationship to that father. And, you know, it just kind of hit me in a new way.

50:32And I thought it was very good. We're talking about Goodrich is the name of the movie, which is available on VOD now. Haley Myers-Shire's new film, which got a very limited release and probably would have been like a conversation topic if you were here. So when you see it, let me know. I will. Gladiator 2 at 100 is really funny. Yeah. That's just years of magazine training. No, I know. I know, but it was really good and I wanted to let you know. I'm not, it was not a huge fan. Yeah. And then there were a couple other things where I was really, I was proud of you for Trap at 26. Thanks. And a couple other things that were lower than I expected.

51:05and that seems rude to shout them out but I'm proud of you for I thought this was a good list. Thanks. It's very sincere. I mean I haven't seen your numbers one and two and you put Civil War at six but that's okay. CR put it at number one. I know I know and I got many shout outs and that was really funny. I really enjoyed it. That was a great podcast. Thanks. You guys did a good job. It was fun. We did miss you on that episode but it was nice. Okay. Should we pivot? Yeah. Okay. So we did talk about this quite a bit in 2024 at least three or four times and we're definitely going to do it. We're going to do 25 for 25.

51:36We're going to count down across this year, the 25, our favorite movies of the 21st century. The best, I think, is a little bit pointless. I think it's always the... This is an emotional duopoly, is how I would describe this show. And so we will make common cause to reveal, I guess on a semi-weekly basis, one movie from the countdown. We'll go in order from 25 to 1. I'd like to do this starting after the Academy Awards in March. Are you on board with that? I am. And you've shared your long short list. I just shared with you this morning a longer list. I haven't looked at it yet. The rules are minimal.

52:21Tell me how you feel about them in real time. Because we have not in person had a chance to discuss this. So, one, as I said, this is an attempt to capture our favorite movies of the period, which represents essentially our adult lives. Yeah. You know, I graduated from high school in 2000. You graduated from college in 06? Correct. So, you know, we're looking at a pretty significant transformational period of movie watching. One film per filmmaker, which for us, a tourist that we are, is very hard. Big challenge. And then the movies must have just been released between January 1st, 2000 and December 31st, 2024.

52:59Some people might quibble and say the 21st century did not start with the year 2000. It started with 2001. Yeah, we can be a part of it. Those are pedantic discussions. We're going to say January 1st, 2000 is when this all begins. I think that's it. Is there anything else we should add to the framework of this project? No, because I tested this out with you over text. You know, I think emphasizing that it is our list as opposed to, you know, definitive, all-encompassing. because there are movies that even you, Sean Fennessey, have not seen. Tons I haven't seen. Obviously, we are both American.

53:36So we probably, we are, International's on the table. Documentaries are on the table. Everything is on the table, but we're going to have our biases. And we're very Hollywood focused on the show. Yeah. So it's not pedantic to point out that it will, if you get mad at us for having like a very Hollywood American list, but like. That's what we do. That's what we're doing. Okay. so we're not trying to speak for everyone we're speaking for ourselves and then I agree that like if I hear anyone lecture me on centuries I'm muting them agreed so it'll be an interesting project you still feel okay with one per filmmaker?

54:13no but I think it's a good rule to have in place so it's not super samey I mean you're going to find me arguing with you about whether or not we need a third or a fourth David Fincher movie and that's just boring that's not a very compelling list but you know Fincher and PTA right off the bat It's just, you know, impossible. Spielberg, Scorsese. Spielberg's funny. You pick. I saw your suggestion. I won't reveal it. And that's an interesting choice, obviously. Well, what else is there going to be if you're only doing 25? I don't know. His last two movies are spectacular. They are. But are we putting them in the 25 of all time?

54:47I think that you and I are a good fit for this project for a couple reasons. One, obviously, we have very specific, discreet taste. Two, we have good intersections on our taste. Right. Three, we were editors for like 15 years. We're very strategic in thinking about what makes a compelling list. And so I think what I'm going to try to do is respect the presumed canon, respect my personal taste, and have some fun. I'm trying. You saw. I had some fun on my list. You did. Okay, I'm excited to look at yours. Okay. That will start, yeah, at some point in March. I'm also scheming on a two-week break where you will be hosting the show without me.

55:27so we can talk about that as well. Oh, really? Yeah, so start thinking about your co-host. Well, I'm also, there's going to be a month where I'm, yeah. Yes, I expect that, but I need a siesta, I think. It was very fun to be a civilian. I could use it. I mean, it wasn't fun in the sense that what I was doing instead was emotionally rewarding, but also exhausting. I'm not taking sigh for my two-week siesta, just so you know. He started smiling, though. At me. I know, it's really nice, yeah. We have some good, also the side-by-sides of you with Baby Knox and you with baby Sai are very cute. It's like sitting with little Amanda and little Zach.

56:01I know. All right, should we do Golden Globes? Sure. Do you feel like interested in this show? Which we should say is hosted by Nikki Glaser. You know, new owners. This is, I think, the third year of the Todd Bowley ownership crew. Some shenanigans going on. We don't really need to spend any time on that. It's become a much more critically oriented show. A lot of the voting body, there's some 300 people, I think are a little bit more high-minded. than they used to be? Did you pay close attention to the nominations when they were released? I did. Well, I read a list on my own time. I didn't wake up.

56:36And I listened to your podcast, which I thought was very good with Joanna. Thank you again, Joanna. Joe is going to join us on Sunday, by the way, to talk about the show. I have been thinking a lot about how they are the kind of, the Golden Globes now are the most kind of milquetoast consensus let's just skim off of what all the pundits and everything have been talking about but also whether it's well put they are whether it's all just like sort of confirmation predictive bias that is gonna they both have no perspective and also like matter a lot now I totally agree and I don't know whether I don't even think that's just because this year has no front runner I think they may matter to pundits more than voting bodies.

57:25Okay. I think I think BAFTA SAG DGA are more influential on the outcome of the Academy Awards. I think Globes is more influential on the way that we will discuss the Academy Awards for the next six to seven weeks. Now, it doesn't mean that they won't match. Because I think in the past couple of years, they have matched more because of what you located, which is like, it feels like the voters are kind of looking at what the critics groups are saying. Right. And saying like, oh, yeah, we should nominate the Brutalist in seven categories. Like, in what universe was the Brutalist being nominated in seven categories in the Globes 10 years ago?

58:04Like, something has kind of shifted there. It also wasn't even nominated at a lot of places, including Independent Spirit Awards, Gotham's. The Spirit Awards. Yeah, bizarre. The Spirit Awards thing is weird. It feels very pointed that that movie was passed over. Anyway, setting aside even my taste and my interest in The Brutalist, that was an odd one. But part of it is just because the Globes has so many nominees. They have six nominees in every category, plus they cut drama and comedy. So it just seems like you're getting every movie. Yeah. Like, our snubs were like, sure, there were a couple of meaningful snubs.

58:37Right. But not a ton of people on the cutting room floor there. So it just feels like they're kind of, like you said, bringing everything in a big pot and then saying, like, let's pull out our onions and our garlic and see if this tastes good. The Erivo. But I like watching them. I do, too. Except for the TV awards, which seems like kind of a way. I guess it's kind of like a buffer time to eat. Yeah. You can just eat a lot of Twizzlers in that time. I might get a lot of Twizzlers on Sunday. Can we order sushi now that I can eat sushi again? Yes. Okay, great. Where would you like to get it from?

59:09I don't know. I just like, you know, mom's night out. Maybe You Know Me Handroll will be open. We can get that. Okay, that would be, no. I don't. Like I said, I've been. Fucking phenomenal. Yeah, shout out You Know Me Handroll. I wasn't really doing that for a year. No, so that part's nice. I just had to Google who Nikki Glaser is. So is that something I'm supposed to know about? Who she is? Yeah. I recognize the name, but like. she's a roaster extraordinaire yeah that sort of seems like that's not one of your things yeah she's hilarious on the Tom Brady roast I would even encourage you to just watch her segment I did hear about that and I think she got booked in part on that I think she did she host FBoy Island too?

59:47FBoy Island? according to her Wikipedia page yes yeah which is a series that my wife has seen every episode of really? yeah I leave rules I think she's very very funny I think she's also a good fit for the show okay because she's like pretty loose and cutting and brings that kind of a medium between Ricky Gervais and Tina and Amy. Okay. You know? Great. So hopefully it goes well. She might drop a couple of like extremely mean jokes though. Okay. Which will be interesting to see how they're received in 2025. Do you think Blake Lively will be in attendance with Ryan Reynolds who is nominated for Cinematic and Box Office Achievement?

1:00:23You want to start there? Should we start there? With Cinematic and Box Office Achievement? Yeah, because then we can get that conversation out of the way. It's a really stupid category. Now, obviously, you guys have been covering this on Jam Session. Yeah, well, so we covered the first round. There were twin New Year's Eve lawsuits that we will be covering next Monday. Okay. So, It Ends With Us is not recognized in cinematic box office achievement. Right. Which just seems crazy to me. Yeah. Given the size. I think that movie made$400 million internationally. And it's, you know, based on an extremely popular novel.

1:00:54But that doesn't mean anything. Popular novels bomb at the box office all the time. So the films that are nominated here are Alien Romulus, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Deadpool and Wolverine, Gladiator 2, Inside Out 2, Twisters, Wicked, and The Wild Robot. This is obviously a stupid idea for an award. It's just an attempt to get movies like Inside Out 2 and Twisters and Alien Romulus. And Deadpool and Wolverine. And Deadpool and Wolverine. Starring Ryan Reynolds with a cameo by Blake Lively. Yes, in a Deadpool costume. Sure. I assume Ryan Reynolds will be there. I assume as well, but who knows? He was not nominated.

1:01:29And like I said on the show a few months ago, Old Globes probably would have put him in here. I did notice that Rob McElhaney is presenting, or it was on the list of presenters. Ryan Reynolds is not on the list of presenters. They're the Wrexham people together, right? They are the Wrexham co-owners. It's that Inside Sunny guy? Yes, yes. Okay. Yeah, I don't know whether they'll show up, but it might. I think they should, is my opinion. Just means they're going to have to talk about it in some way, right? Will Nikki Glaser make a single joke about it ends with us? I wish if they're in the room, she will.

1:02:06But I do. I welcome that moment. Yeah. Would it be at their expense or would it be at Justin Baldoni's expense? I assume the latter. Yeah, so do I. So in that case, I'm like, well, it seems like a win. What a sordid tale. Some of the accusations are pretty awful. All of the onset stuff, which has then been somewhat buried by that. I think like fascinating and very useful breakdown of the alleged smear campaign. Well, that first piece is not even about the allegations. It's about modern media tactics, which is telling, I think, about where we are in the world, where I think the New York Times piece written by Megan Toohey about this kind of thing seven years ago would have looked a lot different.

1:02:44A lot different, yes. Nevertheless, if you listen to our episode about It Ends With Us, you know I'm not an expert in any of this stuff, and I don't really know what I'm talking about. So I have no opinion, frankly. Right. Well, I mean, it is interesting how both that story coincided with it. It ends with us being available on Netflix. I, you know, I don't know whether that was intentional, though it's probably not not. Though some of it seems... There's a lot of very strategic people. Yeah. And a lot of it seems to be with filing at the end of the year. And I don't really know. I'm not that familiar with California law and statutes of limitations and whether there was like a legal reason that it all needed to happen in December or whether they just didn't want, whether they wanted to news dump it, especially like the two New Year's Eve suits.

1:03:32But anyway, yeah, what a mess. That we were also kind of like, what's going on here at the time? We did. But then also what's amazing is that no one really seems to have seen the movie but us and the 400 million people who are not opining online about it. Just enjoying their Colleen Hoover books. I mean, yeah, I guess so. But it is really funny. As we identified, like, Justin Baldoni adapted this book, softened the abuse stuff, and then cast himself as the abuser. So, you know, that text was right there on the page. Yes. Also, literally the host of a podcast about, like, modern masculinity and how to be a better man.

1:04:12That was something that he was doing. You know. I think that regardless, it feels like we are often living in a simulation when you start seeing things like that. Very strange story. Cinematic box office achievement. My prediction is that Wicked is going to win this category. Oh, really? Yeah. I was going to predict The Wild Robot. You can predict it. Okay. I think that would be a nice win for it. Okay. I like that film. This is not right, but I'm going to say it. it felt to me like that movie actually underperformed just a little bit at the box office. The Wild Robot. Yeah. Now, it's excellent.

1:04:47I think it's in my top 20. I think it's in the top 15 on my year-end list. I'm a huge fan of it. I think it has a very strong chance to win animated feature. But given how well-liked it is, given that it is also based on a very popular book, given that it's made by one of the most successful animation filmmakers of the last 25 years, its box office is not gigantic this is not like an 800 million dollar movie it does feel I do feel like parent core and family core are really jumping on it as it's available it's a movie that honestly but what is this award for? is this for making money or is this for being good?

1:05:27well that's why it's a stupid award cinematic and box office achievement what does that mean? this movie made 324 million dollars I would guess this is the lowest grossing movie on this list. Okay. Just off the top of my head. In fact, I'm almost certain it is. So, we'll see. So what? You think that Inside Out, I mean, I guess you think that Wicked will win. I think Wicked will win because they'll say that there's a challenge there. It's a musical. It is, you know, a different kind of IP. It's speaking to an audience. It's not speaking to the same audience as Deadpool and Wolverine that shows out for these kinds of things.

1:05:59It's not a sequel. I guess it's a prequel of a sort. Okay. That's fine. Rock with your prediction. That's great. we're gonna get this stuff wrong because who the fuck knows with Globes I mean I have no idea I also just I don't know what that award means that it's stupid but continue I thought it would be fun then to go to supporting performances okay just to get these out of the way these are slightly more interesting categories than some of the other stuff we'll go through so best performance by a female actor in a supporting role the nominees are Selena Gomez and Emilia Perez Ariana Grande in Wicked Felicity Jones in The Brutalist Margaret Qualley in The Substance Isabella Rossellini in Conclave and Zoe Saldana in Emilia Perez To me, this is between Ariana Grande and Zoe Saldana.

1:06:38And this is where I think I'm going to go Globes-y and say Ariana Grande. So I went Zoe Saldana. I like that we split. But I think you're right. It could go either way. I've been percolating on like a weird Globes goes all Brutalist Galaxy take. Oh, okay. Which I don't think is right. Yeah. But if it's like Felicity Jones, Guy Pearce, Adrian Brody, Brutalist wins Best Drama, I wouldn't be shocked. Okay. I'm just saying... I wouldn't be shocked. Then I'm not going to have a lot to say on Sunday night, but that's okay. That's fine. I mean, it will give you some indication of how the Globes is different now.

1:07:12Has Felicity Jones been campaigning at all? I don't think... Well, she's done a lot of group stuff. Okay. With Brady, with Adrian. I haven't seen a lot of solo stuff. So she has been out there, because I just haven't really... She has. You know, you'll see in the movie, she has a very specific role. She's the wife. Yes. And we're challenging the ideas of what the wife does in the movie. Yeah, sure. Okay. I didn't say that. Yeah. No one said that. Okay. So I'll go Zoe. You'll go Ariana. Yeah. Best performance. What if Margaret Qualley wins? I think it'd be great. It'd be super fun. You put substance at 10 on your list.

1:07:47Yeah. I didn't know that you were writing that high. It's a great movie. I love it too. But you were like being petulant about it. What do you mean? I think it was. The only thing I'm petulant about is whether or not it's really competing at the Oscars. Okay. The movie itself? Yeah. Loved. Great. Super fun. Is it 20 minutes too long? Sure. Yes. Yeah, whatever. But that's the point, you know? If it gets into the Oscars, forget it. I don't know what I'm talking about anymore. The Oscars are totally different. If everything, everywhere, all at once wins Best Picture. It definitely will get into the Oscars.

1:08:17It's just how many. It could get two nominations. It could get five. Makeup and hairstyling feels like a lock. Everything else, we'll get there. We will get there. Mark Qualley would be cool. That'd be a cool win. Okay, supporting best performance by a male actor in a supporting role. Stacked category. Truly. A lot of my guys here. A lot of your guys. Yura Borisov, Anora. Yes. Kieran Culkin, a real pain. Edward Norton, a complete unknown. Guy Pearce, the brutalist. Jeremy Strong, the apprentice. Denzel Washington, Gladiator 2. Now, historically... Too much. This is a... You haven't had a chance to speak on Denzel and Gladiator 2 yet.

1:08:56Maybe you will right now. That's all I'm really, really going to do. historically this is a funky category for the Globes you may recall when they gave Aaron Taylor Johnson the win for his role in Nocturnal Animals some years ago when Michael Shannon was the clear supporting performance that should have been nominated and then I think was at the Academy Awards and Aaron Taylor Johnson was not even nominated I think they also nominated Jared Leto for his performance in Morbius no isn't all the small things that's a Blink-182 song Oh, and that's also, isn't that the name of, what's the Killian Murphy movie that he, that's maybe also called All the Small Things.

1:09:40Anyway. Small Things Like These? Well, yes. Yeah. Which I saw over the break. It was okay. The Denzel Washington. The Max only movie. Yes. Whatever it is. He played a serial killer. He was okay in that. I mean, whatever. Okay, great. it appears it's called The Little Things The Little Things sure thank you that's a movie that everyone loves Bobby do you know the song All the Small Things I mean are you serious I don't listen that's a blink boy right there well I just you know I don't know when it cuts out so I'd like to check in with you no like pop punk is like firmly my scene okay Vans Warped Tour like that's my shit yes I'm in there love it okay good one of my worst takes is that I think Dude Ranch is the best Blink-182 album.

1:10:26I don't think that's one of your worst takes. I think that's a defense. Because everybody loves them from that point on, but Dude Ranch, that's kind of my thing. Which one is that one? It's their breakthrough, I would say. But it's not the mega selling. It's the one with Damn It. Oh, okay. Sure. 1997, I was 14 when this album came out. Sick. Okay. Not like it was targeted at you or anything. Yeah, it hit pretty good. Kieran Culkin is going to win this? He is going to win. He's going to win every award all the way down. I want to ask you how you feel about that. I too liked Succession. I guess everyone did and didn't get a chance to vote for him because they are movie voters.

1:11:10Like, what are we doing? Didn't he win Emmys for Succession? Sure. But I guess, you know, if you're in the Academy of Motion Pictures, maybe you're not an Emmy voter as well. I don't know. Like, he's great. I love him. I thought he was good playing himself in this movie that I liked, but I'm not as high on as you and Joanna. Okay. No, I mean, I think it's, it is good. And I had a nice time watching it. And there was something reassuring of like, oh, they're still making Sundance movies like this. Yeah. I think there are some obviously fixed limitations to that movie. I think with movies like that, it's about as good as we get these days.

1:11:49And I felt that the first, for me at least. And I felt that the first time we saw it. And it was very much when I have listened, you know, Jesse was on the show and then listening to Jesse a lot, doing the rounds, promoting the movie. It's clear that, you know, he keeps identifying himself as a playwright. And it's very much a play. Yeah, sure. You know, it's got six characters. They're on a journey. Right. The scenery is not everything. Obviously, there are a couple of places, the film visits, that are essential and crucial location-wise. But if you think of it in this kind of contained way, I think it works a little bit better.

1:12:21I agree that Kieran Culkin, if not playing himself, is playing a very familiar Kieran Culkin archetype of like nervy, talky, little scary, little sad, Motormouth. Like that's what he does. He's the best in the world at it. He's literally, he's Kieran Culkin, right? Everybody likes him. Everybody thinks he's good. He carried Succession at times. All of these other performances to me are fascinating and great in many ways. All of them. I think that even Edward Norton who I like to joke about on the show sure but who was like basically my favorite actor from 1995 through 2005 I think is like fantastic and complete unknown Yoroborosov we raved about and Enora he's like the soul of that movie yeah Guy Pearce I'll wait for you to see it I think it's like I think it's him doing in many ways a culmination of like his on screen persona Jeremy Strong Did you see The Apprentice?

1:13:19Not yet. I was, as I was looking at this, I was like, oh, I got to watch it because I didn't want to, you know, it came out two weeks before the election. You and Brian did an episode about it, right? And you were like, you know, more innocent times when you were like, will this matter? I forgot to thank Brian who did two episodes with me too. Yeah, that was a while ago. Yeah. He liked it more than I did. Right. But both performances are great. We'll get to Sebastian Stan in a minute too. And that's a very transformative, method-y kind of performance. you know and then Denzel who's just having a ball who carries that movie I mean I don't even imagine the movie without him now I yeah I guess it's time to talk about that movie since we're not really going to talk about it you were keeping the faith for a long time that it would be good yeah well I wanted to have fun and I did have fun you know I went at 10 a.m.

1:14:07by myself like you know mom's morning out and it was like incredibly sloppy just just both which doesn't make sense in the sense that they had a playbook for what that movie was going to be and it was the first Gladiator. But yeah, just everyone's in a different room at some point like talking and I guess they edited it all together. I also did not know that those were intended to be baboons until I listened to you and Chris talking about Gladiator 2. You thought they were just ancient monsters? Yeah, I thought it was like a weird like mythical mammal that had since gone extinct or was like Ridley's imagination of what an animal would be but so that's tough CGI I'm general I'm out on CGI animals okay 2024 and in 2025 we should make our in and out lists for for 2025 let's do it for a future let's do it on the anticipated movies episode yeah but Denzel was very good I agree he's very also I think that you guys were a little too hard on Paul Meskel terrific actor who I thought was miscast.

1:15:18Oh, you know, I was rooting for him. Okay. Cool. He's just like, he's just like in a jail cell with a folding chair. If this guy - That they got at Ikea for like two hours. I was just being like, whoops. I was on a text chain recently with some friends talking about this and whether or not he was right for the movie or not. And my suggestion was, and this is going to seem a little absurd, but do you know who Alan Richson is? No. He's a reacher? He's the new Jack Reacher on Amazon. Oh, you want to see that guy? The guy from Fast X. If that guy could do a credible fake British Roman guy accent. Yeah, but then that's just 300.

1:15:58Paul Meskel is just looking a little scrawny in there to me. Wow. I mean, did Bobby get to you bulking-wise in the new year? Yo, I don't agree. I think Paul Meskel, the build looks it. It's just his disposition is small internal. Because he's like a sad boy. he's like a boy Russell Crowe is a man obviously Alan Richman but he is a boy he's you know he's Connie Nelson's son he's Lucius he's a boy he's the prince the prince of Rome as he yells like 45 times yeah Alan Richman's body looks like too manicured and bodybuildery to be that yeah I don't like it that's not part of my Russell Crowe like he looks like a guy that obviously he's absurdly jacked in a gladiator but he looks like a guy that you could run into on the street same with Paul Meskel I think that their bodies look pretty similar.

1:16:44Okay. Yeah. I really disagree with that. Even though I am, I am trying to join the protein club in 2025, Bobby. I thought you already, you're already in the club as far as I'm concerned. No, I am, but it's like, you know, it's so depressing. You turn 40 and then you go to the doctor and they give you the speech about like, you know, it's like, it just clicks. And suddenly I have to do resistance training and I got to like get up my protein, you know, for like bone health or whatever. That's fine. I'm thriving. But I was in the protein club, but now I am making it a point of focus. Yeah. Yeah, well, sure, it was the holidays.

1:17:21But here's the thing. I'm not doing any powders. I don't believe in that. I believe in naturally occurring protein. Okay. What about cocaine? You're starting to sound... What is... Does that sound... Am I a little seed oily? Not necessarily. I think a lot of people believe in the whole foods being better for you. that's probably pretty proven science. But if you go too far down this road, you might be in the Yossi Salik zone, which as Sean can tell you is a dangerous game to play. I've heard tell. Yossi still and I haven't been on a podcast together. It's happening soon. Okay. It needs to happen.

1:17:53Maybe we can just have Protein Club. I believe she specifically requested joining you to discuss the new Bridget Jones film. Oh, wow. Which is a big interest of hers. Do you know what happens in that movie? No, I don't know. You haven't read the book? Do you want me to tell you? In what universe have I read like the fourth Bridget Jones novel. Have you read the first Bridget Jones novel? Have you not? Would you read it? Would you read it for me? What just got into you just now? Like go back 90 seconds. What did you think was happening? Did you think I was going to say, of course I read it. I loved it.

1:18:25Oh my God, Bridget Jones 4? Incredible. Okay, I guess not 4, but you really haven't read the first one? The first Helen Fielding novel? No. If I give it to you, we read it before Bridget Jones's... I'll read 12 pages. No, you have to read the whole thing. It's a lovely book. No. It's really funny. I've seen the film. What? It's different. I like the film. It's different. I almost put it on my long list, by the way, but then I found another movie to fill the slot that I think is more important. Bridget Jones' Diary because it's 2001. Well, that's an example of a kind of movie I would love to keep in the mix.

1:18:58Well, but there's another movie that actually needs to be in the mix instead. Okay. I think I know what you're talking about. You should read Bridget Jones' Diary. I'll give it to you. I mean, I'm not going to do that, but I hear you. Okay. I got you. Salute to you. Yeah. Congrats. And then Yassi and I can talk about protein. Yeah. She has a couple other things she wants to discuss with you but I'll let you guys sort that out. You guys are either going to be like the best friends of all time or maybe like eye gouge each other. We'll see. Should be interesting. Best motion picture animated. Okay.

1:19:31Flo. Inside Out 2. Memoir of a Snail. Yeah. Moana 2. Wallace and Gromit Vengeance Most Foul and the wild robot. Fowl with a W. F-O-W-L. It's about chickens. It is. I've seen the film. So how many of these have you seen? Two? One. One. Inside Out 2? Yes. You haven't seen Wild Robot? No. That could be like a good Knox movie. It's not, because it's not like junky. Everyone says that it's like really emotional. It is very emotional. Lots of crying. It's such a crazy parent movie. No, but, and I'm still so. Yeah. It would hit you hard, I think. You know, all of the. It's really well done. The protective layers are really off the first couple of months.

1:20:10So I don't think I'm ready for it. But I mean, obviously I'll have to see it before the Oscars. Okay, so you're kind of flying blind here. Yes, you know. Which in some ways is just being my most honest self. Wild Robot again? So I picked Flo. You picked Flo? Now, this is probably my biggest reach. And I think I'm reaching towards kind of in that brutalist galaxy brain hive where I'm like, it could happen. Are the globes a little bit snootier than we think they are? And if they choose Flo I think that will tell us a lot about how they think about some of these things. The wild robot feels like the safe choice and probably the right choice but I'm going with Flo.

1:20:46Okay. Have I hedged enough? Yes. Best motion picture Flo is about a cat. Flo is about a cat and a series of animals. Right. A dog, a capybara. Is it going to make me cry? Uh I don't think so but it's very interesting. it's essentially silent there's no dialogue it's just the animals would Knox like it? he would be entertained by it yeah it's just not antic and crazy animation which I know you appreciate like it's much more experiential there is an aspect of it that is almost like a screensaver which is good and bad that might really work for Knox you should try it it's a beautiful movie I think I'm going to have the filmmaker on the show later this month best motion picture non-English language.

1:21:32So you're a little behind on these as well. I've only seen Emilia Perez. Okay. So the nominees are Emilia Perez, All We Imagine Is Light, The Girl With The Needle, I'm Still Here, The Seed of the Sacred Fig, and Vermilio. Emilia Perez. That's what I chose as well. Yeah. The movies that are the like official chosen international features this year that are competing in all the awards races didn't really hit with me very well. And there are a bunch of international films that I loved from this year but for whatever reason this crew this crop the girl with the needle is quite interesting very very very hard movie to watch and i'm not sure it's a good time for you to watch it okay that kind of needle it's worse than you can ever imagine honestly um it's very grave made uh it's a from denmark but the the cinematography in it black and white is beautiful i wouldn't be surprised if it got like a little bit of a nudge over the last couple of months even though All We Imagine is Light and See the Sacred Fig are very, very well reviewed and the Brazilians love I'm Still Here and they're pushing forward very hard on social media which you will find out soon when you start sharing on Blue Sky.

1:22:38Okay. Oh, the Brazilians are? They're a spirited base supporting the film I'm Still Here. No, no, no, no, no, no. They are big on Blue Sky as well? I think all social media. Well, I mean, I know that. Anywhere where the international feature film race is being discussed, they are there. Okay. best original score The Brutalist Daniel Bloomberg Challengers Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross Conclave Volker Bertelman Dune Part 2 Hans Zimmer Emilia Perez Clement Ducal and Camille and the wild robot Chris Bowers so one Dune Part 2 is not eligible to the Academy Awards right but Wicked is but Wicked is okay I don't totally understand that people insist that there's a lot of new music in Wicked maybe that's the case I don't know okay I went with Daniel Bloomberg for The Brutalist I know you've been talking a lot about how beautiful it is it's just massive okay and more is more and it helps the movie it thrusts the movie forward and it's a very long film that being said I could see anything winning here yeah I'm I'm sort of at a loss um we rewatched Conclave over the break and I was like right the score's really good pretty good And it does have like the three or four note motif similar to the, is it the same person who did the score for All Pride on the Western Front, which was a very good score.

1:24:05And you could see a world in which Conclave is like clearly on everyone's minds, but maybe they throw it a bone. Yeah, where does it win? Could be some Killers the Flower Moon situation there. Obviously, Challenger's score is the score of the year for you and for me. Agreed. It absolutely rocks. Did I tell you I got a tennis racket for Christmas? I heard, yes, from your husband. Right, because then we had to get one for Knox. That's why I heard, yes. I got like a nice tennis racket, and Zach was like, Knox, you may not touch it because you can't ruin it. Did you get a Tosche Duncan official racket?

1:24:43No, I don't even know. I should ask him what the make is, but it's what Roger Federer uses or used. past tense, which is sad. Anyway, yeah. So I'm going to try to take tennis lessons. I fully support that. Maybe you should just choose challengers with that in mind. Okay. You want to go with challengers? You don't want to talk more about my tennis lessons. I actually need a tennis instructor. Do you think that there's a like a tennis pro who listens to the big picture who lives in Los Angeles? You're about to find out. Like seriously, I can't, I, I literally cannot serve. So you have to be really patient.

1:25:15I'm also, I'm told like not a great student. No. What? Especially when I'm bad at things, but I would like to try. Okay. Okay. I wish you luck. Challengers. You're going Challengers. Okay. I'm going with the Brutalist. Best original song. Our favorite category. Here are the nominees. Beautiful That Way from The Last Showgirl. Compress Repress from Challengers. Which one is that? It's like the last song. Before Matchpoint? Yeah, it has lyrics that were written by Luca Guadagnino. It is a Reznor and Ross production. El Mal, which is one of the songs from Emilia Perez. Which one? It's the one that, I believe it's the one that Zoe Saldana performs at the beginning of the film.

1:26:00When she's sort of walking through the streets. Sure. And everyone. Actually, no, maybe. Or is it the awards dinner? I think it's the one at the gala. Yeah, I think it's at the I think it's that one. Okay. Forbidden Road. They're not going to have her do that again at Golden Globes, are they? I hope so. Okay. I mean, listen, Zoe Saldana can act and can dance and like, it's a show person and I have known that since center stage, but continue. Okay. Forbidden Road, which is the song from Better Man. Was this, actually, was this, I think this was removed from eligibility because it had been previously used elsewhere.

1:26:39So I'm going to take this off. This is the Robbie Williams song from Better Man, but I don't think this is eligible anymore, so they've taken it out of the mix. So it's not eligible at the Golden Globes. I believe so. Okay. Oh, no, no, no. No, maybe it is at the Globes, but it's now taken off the short list. That's what it was. Sorry, I've gotten that mistaken. And then Kiss the Sky, which is the centerpiece song from The Wild Robot by Maren Morris. I chose Kiss the Sky. Okay. From The Wild Robot, which is frankly a banger that we play in our house. I think I'm a Maren Morris fan. Okay. She's good.

1:27:15I guess I'll go with El Mal just to make it interesting. Great. I like that choice. I have to say the songs were not my favorite part of Amelia Paris. I think they're mostly bad. They're really bad. Yeah. I think the choreography in that movie is pretty good. Yeah. Yes. I would agree that it's at least of using the camera and... and setting a mise-en-scene. What'd you think about the sequence in the hospital? Oh, right. When they're singing about... I mean, that was funny, at least. Or maybe not funny. I mean, it was a little funny. It was very camp. Very camp. And over the top. And, you know, it's like, oh, you're doing a thing here.

1:27:57Yeah. Which, to me, made more sense than, like, Zoe Saldana just, like, being a lawyer, singing a bad song about being a lawyer. or whatever or you know and then there was a lot of that and it's like a lot of times kind of being like is this like random lawyer gonna figure it out through bad pop songs I'm not sure turns out no okay yeah okay best screenplay okay nominees are Emilia Perez Anora the Brutalist A Real Pain The Substance and Conclave The Substance really I think that this is where they'll give it their thing well this is one it can and that's the other I wouldn't say it's screenplay is it's strength no I would agree with you okay but again like throwing a bone to something that they like and the idea of it and there are others who are not us who think that it is a a searing insight into the problems of 21st century femininity I suppose okay I went with a Nora okay I mean that's the other one that makes sense you know this is kind of a funky category I think A Real Pain could compete here Sure You know Conoclave is an adaptation so I find that to be kind of an odd nominee in this category but anyway Okay best let's get into the heavy categories now Best performance by a male actor in a motion picture musical or comedy Now this is a funky one because I'm not sure if any of these people are going to end up in the Oscar race and this happens sometimes The nominees are Jesse Eisenberg for A Real Pain Hugh Grant for Heretic Gabrielle LaBelle for Saturday Night Jesse Plemons for Kinds of Kindness Glenn Powell for Hitman and Sebastian Stan for a different man which I'm pleased to hear you enjoyed Sebastian Stan won at the Gothams the Gothams did he win at the Gothams or did a different man win at the I know it won maybe a different man won best feature yeah Jesse Plemons won best actor at Cannes Hugh Grant is winning my Instagram algorithm really really great stuff you haven't seen this one yet right No, I watched it.

1:30:05You watched it? Oh, no, you did. You did. You told me on Christmas. Yeah. And you enjoyed the first two thirds like so many of us. Sure. Yeah. As I said to you, I think it was a little less revelatory for me because I do consume all of the content of Hugh Grant just being weird and charming and talking a lot. And that movie is him talking in rooms. Is he lecturing people about Radiohead, though? uh no primarily about uh the traffic patterns in london and though and how the the tory government failed the uk which seems to be true okay so um really really really good twitter feed and then also doing shots with travis kelsey at the heiress tour um that's what he's talking about okay and uh and how much he likes being a dad that's nice yeah i can relate to that um who What do you got winning here?

1:30:56I think I read this last night, got stumped. It was like, I don't know, I'll wing it, and then didn't think about it again. Jesse Eisenberg? That's who I have as well. Okay. I think he's going to win, and that's interesting. Yeah. Because does that mean maybe he has a chance to get nominated? How much does the Academy like this movie as something? I have no idea. I can't really tell either. I'm surprised by how out there he is for this movie, Which is possibly not surprising in the sense that he wrote and directed it. And you want to sell something that you're proud of. But I always, I haven't thought of him as like promo guy.

1:31:32And he's in every junket. He was on Table Manners, which is the Jesse Ware and Lenny Ware, her mother, wonderful podcast. But like he's doing everything. He is. His WTF episode is excellent if people like that show. You know, he's obviously a brilliant guy and a great talker. but you're right that he doesn't usually go out of his way to flood the zone. My suspicion, I have no fucking idea. My suspicion is he was very happy to see the positive feedback for the film out of Sundance and was like, okay, I'll put my weight behind this because he's very happy that people seem to like the work so much.

1:32:06And he's written a lot of screenplays, he said, and he's only directed two movies. So him winning here would be, there could be some interesting knockdown effect on that. Okay, best performance by a female actor in a motion picture, musical, or comedy. Amy Adams in Night Bitch. Cynthia Erivo in Wicked Carla Sofia Gascon in Emilia Perez Mikey Madison in Enora Demi Moore in The Substance and Zendaya in Challengers it's maybe the last time I'm able to say the word night bitch on this podcast I saw night bitch yeah and you were what on it? I liked it more than I think you or I thought I would I would say that our expectations were below this table because historically I have not responded to the films of Mariel Heller or Amy Adams or MomCore or dogs.

1:32:54Yeah. So. Wow. Wow. Kind of a tic-tac-toe-toe for you. You and Joe and Rob did a great episode. And I agree that like the genre, the dog thing, just it didn't work. It didn't land. I also didn't totally understand the setup besides like the librarian is a mom dog too. Anyway. um I I thought that the parent and the mom stuff was insightful and and as you said like comes from I I recognized it and I recognized some of it in the you know there's a great monologue where she's talking about I know that everyone will tell me that I shouldn't have hold it held him when he was a baby because now he won't sleep by himself but he was just so cozy and something And I had all the moment, I'm like sleep training right now.

1:33:45And I was like, yeah, you should not have helped him. But then how can you, you know? So it was definitely engaging and very specific. You know, I've been at baby music class too and felt the way that she felt. So I give it credit for that. I like, well, I said it on the show, but there's just not a lot of movies about this. And it's something that millions of people experience every day. Yeah, you said on the show, you theorized that it's because people just don't want to be around it. And once you've done it, you don't want to revisit it. Memory hole, yeah. I mean, I'm so glad to be here and not for the same thing.

1:34:25So I think that that had a lot of truth. The last thing that I want to do is watch or make art about. I think one aspect of it, too, is that a lot of women who want to make films don't want to be put in the box of you're making a film about this thing that men don't understand or don't relate to. And, you know, for many years in the movie business, like, women had a certain kind of a job. Right, yeah. And they were trying to break convention and they could hang with the guys or whatever the expectations were. And so now we're in a time where, like, in theory, there's a little bit more balance between couples in parental relationships.

1:35:03And so this is, like, this kind of movie can come to the surface. but like I couldn't think of any other movies that are about raising toddlers. Like look who's talking. Like there's no movies about this. Here's the thing other also is that it's not totally about raising a toddler. As you pointed out, as Eileen, your wife pointed out, like that is a basically angelic toddler. The toddler is too good. And Joanna made a really great point about how this is really the woman version of how do I like be an artist and the struggle of being an artist. Kind of a brutalist sequel. Sure. So, you know, and I understand everything that you said about female directors not wanting to be siloed.

1:35:47And so you don't even want to touch this actual topic. You would have to metaphorize it. But I'm still waiting for the great toddler as a demon. I mean, I guess it is like every horror movie. It has been shunted off to the imaginaries of the world. They are just... They can be tough. It's amazing. Yeah, they can be tough. I mean, I love my kids. Yeah, yeah, no, no, no. But it's just, it is like another otherworldly figure like takes over and you're just like, wow, this is insane. We're getting through it. Yeah. Best performance by a female actor in a motion picture drama. Mikey Madison. Yeah, I have Mikey Madison too.

1:36:23I think she's going to win. I, if you told me Demi Moore won, I wouldn't be shocked. Yeah. She has the coveted Gwyneth Paltrow defying Academy rules endorsement in order to post on Instagram. I don't know whether Gwyneth has been sanctioned. By whom? The Academy. And how would that happen? So Gwyneth was one of the... Like, would she be banned? It was Gwyneth and your beloved Edward Norton who were patient zeros in the Andrea Rysborough affair. Yeah. But that is like literally... And honestly, I do think that Gwyneth's Instagram post about Andrea Rysborough was from a private screening and Demi Moore was also in the picture.

1:37:06So, and then she posted on Instagram recently being like, get this woman a nomination for The Substance, which you're not. Listen, we read the rules. I'm not supposed to do that. Yeah, but Gwyneth is too powerful and I love her forever. Okay. Demi Moore could win. I think Mikey Madison's going to win. I think she's on a track to run the table here. We'll see. Female actor in a motion picture drama. The nominees are Pamela Anderson for The Last Showgirl, Angelina Jolie for Maria Nicole Kidman for Baby Girl Tilda Swinton for The Room Next Door Fernanda Torres for I'm Still Here and Kate Winslet for Lee so unlike the male acting categories I think you're getting a little bit of column A and column B mixing drama and comedy or musical how many would you say out of the drama nominees will make their way to the Academy Awards if you had to guess two maybe two Maybe two.

1:38:00Now, my pick is indicative of who I think is going. So I'm choosing Nicole Kidman to win. That's exciting. That could be way off. I don't really know. I do think I have Nicole Kidman on my big bet because with the Oscars, the money is always bet on Nicole Kidman. I still haven't seen Baby Girl. I'm so excited. I was supposed to go and everyone in my house got sick. I'm going to see it before we record next week I mean Harris Dickinson like I just we don't need to talk about it there's a lot to report on we don't need to talk about it but I haven't seen it now there's certainly a world here where Angelina Jolie wins yeah and she continues on in a very kind of like focused tight campaign which is what she's doing sure you saw also that there was a New Year's Eve divorce settlement I did not.

1:38:57That's finally done. The Angelina Jolie-Brad Pitt divorce has been legally— I didn't know that. And they announced it on New Year's Eve as like a dump. Okay, great. Anyway. I'll read through all that documentation when I finish this episode. There wasn't any documentation. It was just a statement from her publicist. Okay. Closed matter. Her campaign continues to pace. I think Nicole Kidman is going to win. Who do you think is going to win? I really don't know because I've only seen Maria, which I'm really embarrassed about. Do you like Maria? No. It's so boring. I also, I liked the apartment. Uh-huh, yeah.

1:39:36Great production design. Yeah. There is a conversation to be had there and about Angelina Jolie's performance, and maybe we can have it if she does get nominated. Should we do it off mic? No, if she actually gets nominated for an Oscar. Do it in a quiet alleyway where no one can hear us. With me on, like, every single pain medication. and known to men all at once. And giant glasses. Yeah, I mean, I think... I mean, but listen... I think she's good in the movie. I like the movie, but I like that project. I'm interested in that project. The, like, museum piece of 20th century women. I like the project as well, but the Wikipedia page that I read during the slow parts of the movie was way more interesting than whatever was in the movie.

1:40:20Okay. I think it's meant to be dramatizing a woman in a daze. yeah but he's done that several times and the first time was good primarily because of Natalie Portman's just absolutely insane voice and then Peter Sarsgaard Peter Sarsgaarding as a Kennedy in the corner both great yeah I'll take Angelina Jolie just for interest okay great best performance by a male actor in a motion picture drama this is Bloodsport the nominees are Adrian Brody for The Brutalist, Timothee Chalamet for A Complete Unknown, Daniel Craig for Queer, Coleman Domingo for Sing Sing, Rafe Fiennes in Conclave, and Sebastian Stan for The Apprentice.

1:41:03Now, I think the first five names I just read are the nominees for the Academy Award. A lot of really good performances here. A lot of people really working for their Oscar nomination. So Adrian Brody, of course, has been out in full force. shirtless on the cover of New York Magazine he's promoting he was on this show last week Daniel Craig doing what he does he's also promoting the movie pretty aggressively not a lot of people have seen queer but that there are high marks for his performance as a kind of William Burroughs stand-in he is now like the one of the faces of Loewe which is Jonathan Anderson's one of Jonathan Anderson's brands and Jonathan Anderson did the costumes for both queer and challengers and is a major designer Coleman Domingo the Sing Sing campaign has restarted it's being re-released this month I told you it would you did I think obviously he's beloved in the community as well Ralph Fiennes has decided to start campaigning with Andy Cohen and Anderson Cooper on the CNN New Year's Eve special like you do sure it's very funny he did the Demir meme and was hilarious I think he was also on Watch What Happens Live with Juliet Binoche he also went into the Criterion closet with Juliet Binoche oh they were doing reunion stuff yeah well no they're in a new movie together oh they are yeah which is called the return but is about a very focused segment no i'm not kidding of the odyssey um we didn't even i forgot to mention this yeah you didn't respond to that text message both well the first it was a day where you sent one text message that was just incredibly hostile that i was not going to respond to but then the second one was a good one but then i was just busy.

1:42:43Okay. Christopher Nolan is adapting the Odyssey. Yeah. Now, I would say roughly 80 % of the episodes we made while you were out was about what Christopher Nolan was going to do next. CR cooked often. Turns out what he cooked was spoiled rotten because he was wrong on all accounts. This is not a helicopter movie. It's not a vampire movie. It's not any of those things. So you don't know that there are no helicopters involved in this telling of the Odyssey. You don't know. I don't know. You don't know. It could be a modern day telling of the travel across land, time, Scylla, and Charybdis. And then he has to fix it?

1:43:18Yeah, it's possible that that's his boat. But I think more likely it's an ancient tale. Okay. You think it's set in... It's contemporaneous with Homer. You know what? I'm not ready to say. I don't really know. Is Tom Holland Odysseus? I assume it was Matt Damon. Okay, good. Right? I mean, I hope so. I feel like he's at a good age for that, actually. Yes, but you know. And then I guess maybe Tom Holland is Telemachus. Precisely. That's what has been suggested. So I would say I'm... Who's Penelope?

1:43:58Not Zendaya, not Charlize. Is Charlize in this? She is. Oh, interesting. Or Lupita. Oh, either. Lupita and Youngo is also in this. Okay. so many fucking people in this movie okay there's like a ton of movie stars in this movie and I'm playing the Cyclops super excited I what if they just put them in it's universal right what if the Cyclops minion is the Cyclops oh that's a good bit that's really good somebody's gotta yeah you should save that for their marketing department I'm looking forward to it you know I hope it's good Christopher Dolan you know sometimes it's great sometimes it's not

1:44:41I was surprised. This is really in your like core realm of interest. It is, but I don't know whether... In fact, you gave a book of mythology to my daughter for Christmas. I did. A beautiful book that I know you were raised on. If you don't know the Dallaire's book of Greek myths, it's really, really very beautiful. We zeroed in very tightly on Aphrodite, as you might imagine, given Alice's interest. So we've read that page many times. Yeah, but I mean, I still can see that art in my head. It's so beautiful. I think it would be cooler if this actually were a helicopter version of The Odyssey. A modern day.

1:45:17Yeah, in my opinion. If he is doing his swords and sandals, searching for my wife who is alive this time. I mean, the ultimate wife guy. Or dead wife guy. Yeah. Well, I mean, there's another thing. I don't know. It might tweak the parts of Oppenheimer that I found insufferable. for me. Okay. But we'll see. Well, let's talk quickly about Timothee Chalamet. So, obviously, he's on a press run for the ages, right? He's been on College Game Day. He has been doing meme content. He had help with that, right? I mean, an incredible performance. Here's what I'll say. I think he's making a lot of choices based on personal taste.

1:46:03I think showing up on Theo Vaughn, I think, I watched last night his appearance on Nardwar. Am I familiar with Nardwar? Yes. And you know, I'm a long time music journalist, hip hop head. I've watched many a Nardwar interview in my day. This is among the best ones. There's a moment early on when Timothee Chalamet is handed a vinyl copy of an early Common single. Okay. I used to love her. Just his ode, his metaphorical ode to hip hop. And hearing Timmy explain who Common is and what he means to him and what he means to his heroes who were musical artists who were, to quote him, Kid Cudi and Lupe Fiasco.

1:46:47Okay. And what that era of Chicago hip-hop was was, like, just fucking fascinating. Like, just... There's no way that he, like, showed up on the Nardwar show with all of his Bob Dylan, you know, micro-knowledge, which is what he brought to the show, and his New York hip-hop kid thing and his theater kid thing and his like nervy, shout out to this guy, shout out to this guy. Like all of that, I could feel him doing a thing that he was comfortable and excited to do. Yeah, of course. So he did a bunch of things like that. And he's clearly been a consumer of the show. Yeah, so is he a huge college football fan?

1:47:24I don't know. Obviously a lot of people have said it's not hard to memorize stats when you're an actor. But most of the hits that he's done, he's either been super high energy and funny, or it was that really funny interview he had with Saoirse Ronan. I don't know if you saw it on social media where they like did a screening together and then they sat on stage and talked and told stories. He's having a ball there and Saoirse is clearly over him in many ways. And there was one other one that I just watched one with I think Vanity Fair. It was James Mangold, him and Monica Barbaro and they were breaking down a scene.

1:47:55Right. And he doesn't say anything with the first seven minutes of a 10 minute video. And then in seven minutes he just like takes over and I was like, whoa, he really is he is the chosen one now like he is he's holding like $5 ,000 sunglasses and he's wearing a polo rugby and I was like oh man like it's not Leo but it's like it's a contemporary version of that thing and he has been like for I know I know I've been calling that for years I've just been feeling it so deeply now with this press run and he's obviously I mean you'll see the movie but as well as you can do it I think he did it yeah so I think he's gonna win do you think he's going to win the Oscar or are you talking about your Golden Globe tradition?

1:48:38I think he's winning the Golden Globe I do as well I think he's going to win the Oscar you think it's him for the Oscar? I mean there's obviously a Ralph Fiennes it's time case to be made and Ralph Fiennes is charming he's very good in Conclave very good which is a movie I've seen twice and that's kind of where that's my summary of Conclave it's a movie I like it's a movie I like if you were like Adrian Brody's winning again I wouldn't be shocked right but he has already won he's giving a major performance but he's already won So I'm going Timmy. I am as well. Okay. Best director. Jacques Audillard for Emilia Perez.

1:49:09Sean Baker for Enora. Edward Berger for Conclave. Brady Corbet for The Brutalist. Corley Farge for The Substance. And Pyle Kapadia for All We Imagine as Light. I picked Brady Corbet. You did? I did. Okay. I, for whatever reason, think that this body is going to be more pro The Brutalist than the Oscars. Interesting. I don't know why I feel that. I think because it's more of a critical group, and The Brutalist has obviously done very well with critical groups, it is a big statement. It's not necessarily a comforting Oscar film. So, and I think just the idea of, like, kind of what he, how he pulled this off and how he mounted this big movie and this grand statement and did it independently.

1:49:53And it's a movie full of choices. and not that the substance isn't or all we imagine is light isn't, but it feels like the, that feels like the pick for me. I don't think I would say that about the Academy Awards right now. I think if I was picking the Oscars now, I would probably pick Sean Baker. Yeah, I think I'm going with Sean Baker here. Okay. In part, just because it's not fun to pick a movie I haven't seen. Yeah. And also because it is, it's so weird that Enora is consensus and then, and also is starting to have that tinge of like, we've been talking about it for so long and we think it's the presumed frontrunner for so long that now we're like looking for other angles.

1:50:29Totally. You know? Totally. But I'll stick with Sean Baker. Okay. And a movie I love. Best motion picture drama. The nominees are the brutalist, a complete unknown, Conclave, Dune Part 2, Nickel Boys, and the first time we were saying this movie's name, September 5. I keep forgetting to watch that. I need to watch that. I think you can see it at home. Yeah, no, I know. It's pretty good. Yeah. I'm gonna watch it. That's one that I would watch with Zach. So we gotta find it. I think you guys will enjoy it. Yeah. I don't know if it's on the level of these other films that are in this category. This is, these other films here are the best movies of the year.

1:51:03You know, I'm a little lower on a Complete Unknown and Conclave, but like Nickel Boys, Dune Part 2, and The Brutalist. A Complete Unknown is 63 on your list? That might have been a mistake. Okay. Yeah, because, again, I haven't listened to the episode because I don't, I want to see it first. I'm way lower on it than Kristen Mallory. Way lower on it. You are. They really, really liked it. But even I thought you were kind of like, huh. I think I was just shocked at how not a mess it was right I think it's it's barely a movie okay it is a tremendous platform for those songs yeah and Chalamet and Barbaro okay terrific and Norton too no I mean Brutalist Dune Part 2 and Nickel Boys I think that's like that's three of my five favorite movies of the year yeah and the other three nominees are darn good so you're gonna do Brutalist here I am okay Should I do Brutalist or should I do Conclave?

1:51:55I don't think Conclave's gonna win. It could. I mean, it could. It could. I think it's absence in other categories. Like, it's absence in supporting actor, for example, is a little iffy. It is in the screenplay category. But they only have six spots for only. Yep. Who would you choose as the supporting actor? Who is your favorite supporting guy? This year? No, in Conclave. Oh. Well, I, you know, Tucci is doing great work. It is a war. I needed a little bit more of that from him in the movie. Yeah. I mean, I wanted a little bit more of the politics for lack of, you know, and the scheming. And I wanted a completely different ending.

1:52:40I mean, I just don't know what it was, respectfully or not respectfully. Someone at a brunch yesterday that we were at suggested what if the big reveal at the end were revealed much earlier in the movie and that revelation was in the mind of the Ralph Fiennes character, which I thought was a cool idea. That's obviously different from the novel that the film is based on. Yes. But I really liked that concept of how differently the movie would play if you had one character knowing the truth and that driving the narrative. Right. Unfortunately, what the truth is feels a little... It's a little silly.

1:53:19silly in terms of what it just I don't like I don't know what that that book thinks that it's trying to say about gender I don't but that's like you know in movie form it is just like ta-da like and then we're out yeah and because of that you can't even really reflect on it in any way you can't even really you have to kind of like sit on it and think hard about what it wants to be to mean right whereas if a character was doing the exact thing I just described I think it might have worked better for me? Totally. I definitely would work better. But then, you know, I think my preference would be just to rewrite the book and then the movie so that it's a political conspiracy.

1:53:58You know, I like I kept thinking the twist because I knew there was a twist because you guys kept talking about some twist. And my mother, who is a book reader, who she's not a book reader. I mean, she does read books. But in this case, I mean, she has read this book. Yeah. Almost spoiled it for me, which I think I'm really hearing my mother try to explain that plot twist is just not something that I needed to experience. You experienced her being like why would I see a movie? I've already read the book so that's what we're working with. This is a tough moment. Yeah. Well, you know. Hard five minutes on Christmas.

1:54:30But I thought the twist was going to be that like the Pope was evil. You know, I thought we were doing like Nazi Pope again or something. Yeah, yeah. I just wish Edward Berger would remake The Da Vinci Code. That's kind of where I am. Okay. He's got a Netflix movie coming out. Pretty soon. That sounds good. Is it the Da Vinci Code? No, no. It looks pretty good, Conclave. You know, when all the popes have umbrellas? Oh, the staging and the way it's edited is like, it's a silly movie, but it looks amazing. Yeah, it looks great. The whole like, I'm making a Renaissance painting in modern times thing.

1:55:01That was just a good idea. It looks great. Okay, so I've got the Brutalist. You are going to go Conclave or no? I guess so. Okay. I will go Conclave because I still have not seen the Brutalist. Best motion picture, musical or comedy? This is our last category. Okay. The nominees are Anora, Challengers, Amelia Perez, A Real Pain, The Substance, and Wicked. I've chosen Wicked. You're going to do it? I have. I don't feel good about it. Okay. I hope. Maybe, you know what, I'll do it with you. I'll do it with you because I maybe will do, I did Sean Baker for director, so maybe they'll do that. The split.

1:55:37Yeah, they'll do the split. I have no confidence in any of my picks. Will they give drama out last or comedy or musical out last? It's a great question. Historically, they do drama. But this year? Maybe they'll do comedy. The Golden Globes are totally made up, even within the context of made up awards shows. They can do whatever they want, as they have made it clear year after year. So sure, put it last. Will there be more nominees for Best Picture in musical or comedy or drama? Let's see. So you've got one, two, three, four, and probably Nickel Boys. So you've got five out of six in drama. I agree with you guys that Nickel Boys right now, again, I haven't seen it because I got to see it in a theater.

1:56:23But it does seem like it's trending. It needs a little bit of a boost. It needs a little bit of a boost. Like I said on the show. But it's rolling out, right? It's rolling out in New York and L.A. right now.

1:56:37It's going to play really well with the director's guild. I don't know about the group at large because it's hard to sit through. And I think it's going to be hard to stream. So if you're watching on the portal, I'm not sure. The idea of Nickel Boys and the Substance being two versions of narrative extremity that are very unlike anything the Academy ever recognizes makes me think that maybe there's something else going in there. And we're not thinking about it. I could be wrong. But that's always where we're wrong. The last few years, for sure. and the more avant-garde or you know more frankly original movies do get in at the expense of your A Complete Unknown they have they have I was thinking recently of how like Michael Hanukkah's Amor had like four Oscar nominations and how you know like you're right that these things do sometimes remember how Zach and I went on an early date to see Amor I was just thinking and now you'll get to die together that's so great I mean but you know I have told that story several different times on this podcast but it is like Like, you know, the Step Up series or whatever, where like you check in with that story every five years.

1:57:39And every five years into our marriage, it really means something quite different. So. Let's circle back in five years on that one. Yeah. Musical, Wicked. Let's see. Anora, yes. Amelia Perez, yes. Two. Wicked, yes. Three. I really do see a world where substance goes in. So to answer your question, still more films from drama. But I think it could be. So you don't think a real pain is going in? oh I forgot about that yeah one two three four it could be five and five and just challengers on September 5 are the the ones that are left holding the bag I mean once again comedy here is doing are any of these movies comedies I guess a real pain which is a deep a movie about deep trauma um The Substance might be the funniest movie out of all these movies yeah that's true I know her obviously has that screwball thing in the 30 minutes in the middle which is great but like what a fucking gut-wrenching movie at the end.

1:58:35That's true. Okay. Well, those are our picks. We'll be back Sunday night. I could go 0 for 20. I don't really care. You think you'll be fired if you do? I don't know. Will I? Just call Bill. Is Amanda out if she goes 0 for 14? I would honestly, we should do that. That'd be exciting. It's a good little segment for us. I'm going to see Bill shortly. I'll ask him. Okay. Welcome back. Thank you. We really missed you. I missed you guys. I'm thrilled to be back. Bobby, thank you for your work on this episode. Happy New Year, Bobby. Happy New Year, Bobby. You're very welcome, Amanda. It's great to have you back.

1:59:13Thanks to Get Howe for filling in. It's been a lot of work to be a figment of Sean's imagination. He's just been talking into an empty screen for the last few months. So it's great to have you back here. That's not true. I was speaking to you and with you. That's what you thought, you know, but I'm not real. Yeah. Sometimes I do think that about this whole show. From cinema heaven, yeah. Sometimes I'm like, is this really happening? I thought I was fairly normal. On this episode? Yeah. Oh, I agree. Yeah. Yeah. I think I need to be medicated in some ways. I'm just like physically falling apart.

1:59:43Mental health is weakening by the day. There were definitely, I would say, between eight and 15 times during this episode where I went to reach for a word and the language just wasn't there. Yeah. Remember those days? well that's sort of been like a three month project for me but it's coming back kind of a prequel to Amor yes okay well great stuff we'll see you guys on Sunday thanks for listening