The 2000 Movie Mega-Draft

4 Jun 2025 · 2 h 8 min

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Episode Information

  • Title: The 2000 Movie Mega-Draft
  • Description: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins are joined by Ringer all-stars for a mega-draft of the best movies from 2000.
  • Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins
  • Guests: Chris Ryan, Van Lathan, Mallory Rubin, Joanna Robinson, Rob Mahoney, Bobby Wagner
  • Producer: Jack Sanders

Introduction

  • Announcement of a live show in Chicago scheduled for July 21.
  • Hosts and guests introduce themselves with playful banter.

Draft Overview

  • The draft revisits the year 2000, compared to the previous year (1999), which is considered stronger in terms of film quality.
  • The participants express mixed feelings about the 2000 film lineup, calling it a "hangover" year.

Draft Categories

  1. Classic
  2. Comedy
  3. Action/Horror/Thriller
  4. Oscar Nominee
  5. Original
  6. Blockbuster
  7. Wild Card

Key Picks and Discussions

  1. Gladiator (Mallory Rubin - Oscar Nominee)
  2. Highlighted as a consensus pick and considered a classic, despite debate about its overall quality compared to other movies.
  1. Almost Famous (Rob Mahoney - Drama)
  2. Considered a personal favorite for many, showcasing the allure of music journalism.
  1. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (Sean Fennessey - Blockbuster)
  2. Recognized as a groundbreaking film that achieved commercial success.
  1. You Can Count on Me (Rob Mahoney - Original)
  2. A heartfelt story about family dynamics and personal growth.
  1. Bring It On (Amanda Dobbins - Comedy)
  2. Celebrated as a defining teen comedy and a cult classic.
  1. Bamboozled (Van Lathan - Original)
  2. Discussed for its audacity and commentary on race and media.
  1. Meet the Parents (Amanda Dobbins - Comedy)
  2. Emphasized as a significant comedy of the year, showcasing a strong performance by Robert De Niro.

Other Notable Mentions

  • Love and Basketball - Mentioned by Mallory as a significant film reflecting on love and sports.
  • Billy Elliot - Joanna's pick for original film, resonating with themes of family and ambition.
  • Final Destination - Highlighted as a horror classic, with conversations around its unique premise involving fate.

Conclusion

  • The draft concludes with participants reflecting on their picks and the overall cinematic landscape of 2000.
  • Discussion of the impact of various movies on their lives and the importance of original storytelling in film.

Final Thoughts

  • The episode showcases the camaraderie and fun nature of film discussions, with participants sharing personal anecdotes tied to the films discussed.
  • There is a general sense of nostalgia for the year 2000 and the films that shaped their experiences.

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0:00Hello, Big Picture listeners. In case you didn't hear, we're headed to Chicago for a live show at the Steppenwolf Theatre on Monday, July 21st. we couldn't be more excited. If you'd like to join us, this is a friendly reminder that tickets go on sale tomorrow, Wednesday, June 4th at 12 p.m. Central Time. We hope to see you there.

0:30I'm Sean Fennessey. I'm Amanda Dobbins. And this is The Big Picture, a conversation show about 2000, Or as Conan O 'Brien would say, in the year 2000. CR is here. We are drafting again. Who would sing it, though? I don't know. Who says that? In the year 2000. That's what they do, right? Yeah. Yeah, come on. You wanted to bring energy to this podcast. Bring it. I'm relying on our special friends to bring the energy on this podcast today. We have reconvened a septet. What's seven people? The High Council of Cinema? A septet. This is one year later. one year ago we did the 1999 movie draft that was a year ago was it a year ago in june it is june do i know but was it last june we're off to a great start i believe it was june was it not june in in the erstwhile bill simmons studio i just didn't know what was happening you're good you're good okay uh rob mahoney is here joanna robinson is here malia rubin is here van lathan is here amanda dobbins is here cr is here I'm here we're talking about 2000 1999 who won that draft?

1:35I thought I did Joanna won okay says who? yeah according to which yeah was there the voting system did we have a vote? yeah I won Van got second Mallory got third whoa the ringer's crew ran the board I don't know about that okay that's been held over our head ever since so well I think you've won the last 19 house of our hype drafts yeah that's true that's probably true and we thought maybe I won Tom Cruise right? We didn't think that. You looked at the subreddit dedicated to you and came to that conclusion. That's not what happened. I just thought I got a vibe from people. Everybody was like, damn, Chris crushed it.

2:12We did vote, but we didn't get results. I think the scuttlebutt was Bill. Well, I think Bill was kind of putting that out into the universe. He was. So it did come back to him. But he did have the turn, which he thought was bad and was actually good. Which was fine. We did give him a couple of breaks. Who will win today? I don't know. Not me. I'll be finishing last. Okay. I've been hearing from people, pre-record, that this is very much a vibes draft for a lot of people. Okay. Is that because we don't like the movies? Let's have that conversation. Let's do it. 2000? Yeah. It's not as good as 99.

2:44What movies were? Yeah. It's definitely not. 99 needed seven people because it was such a powerful movie year. 2000, a little bit of a hangover. And yet you've added a category, so we will be selecting more movies. Well, maybe I'll remove a category while we're doing this. No, hell no. No? You want to do all seven? We must forge ahead. Okay. Now, it was actually sobering to see the amount of movies that I was just kind of like, ah, it's a very TNT on a Sunday afternoon movie. It is. That's the vibe. It is. Yeah. It is before the basketball game cinema. Yeah. Before the basketball game. 99 was easy because in addition to there being, you know, whatever, 15 out now classics, The next 30 movies were also a lot of fun, a lot of personal favorites.

3:29I think there's a pretty strong upper tier in 2000. Once we get into the B tier, it'll be interesting. It's a little outside the general Amanda zone, I would say. Some of the all-time classics. I think Dobbins is going to thrive in the later rounds. Listen, please don't put anything out there, okay? I do have a strategy. I said to Chris before we started, I did some prep, but we might be winging it a little bit. I'm trying me yeah the royal yeah sure but you know I don't know if I think the top tier is as strong as other years and then the rest of it is weird so you have to go searching for value okay Rob I'd like to start with you the year 2000 who were you what was your relationship to movies I was 11 years old very important year for me it was the year I got really into Green Day oh hell yeah And so I would say it was the year that like my taste as a person started to develop outside of my family for the first time.

4:28Is that warning? Was that American Idiot? I got really into Nimrod. Nimrod. It was the album. I don't even know if that was the newest one, but I went camping and a dude was playing Time of Your Life on an acoustic guitar. And I was like, that's what I want. Yeah. You're set. Is that Hitchin' a Ride? What was the, what else is on Nimrod? Hitchin' a Ride. What else is on that album? Green Day Draft. Nimrod's kind of when I jumped out. Nice Guys Finish Last, I think, is on that one. It's like a banger of an album. But I would say it applies just as much to movies. Like this is me finding some stuff that I'm into, that my parents aren't into, that my friends aren't necessarily into, that my brother's not like handing off to me.

5:02Like I'm trying to find my stuff at this time. Jo? I was in college. I was working at a movie theater this year. This is the one only year I worked at a movie theater. Learned how to clean the butter machine among the people. That's an Amazon show. The one only year I worked at a movie theater? You really are at your creative peak right now. Yeah. Yeah, opportunity everywhere. That's a great little summer thing there. I like that. Yeah. Were you seeing a new movie every day? Yeah. And a lot of them, I've seen the end of a lot of these movies so many times. Because you just walk in with your broom and your bucket waiting to clear up the people's popcorn.

5:39And you watch the end of Almost Famous 900 times. Okay. But did you see the beginning as well or no? Yes. Okay. So can I ask? Sorry, raising my hand. uh what is the i'm channeling 2000 amanda what is the etiquette and like how many movies do you get to see a day like in full when you're working at a movie theater how are you if you're on shift yeah you don't see any in full while you're on shift okay but you can see unlimited when you're not working but is that kind of like a lifeguard doesn't want to go swimming after a shift like did you want to get out of the movie theater no oh yeah so would you go early or would you stay late I had the closing shift a lot because I was also in school.

6:20And so I had the closing shift a lot. But on my days off, I would just go to the movies all the time. This is the show. Okay. I told you. It's a love story. Sure. Between you and cinema and a young cinephile. Every time you go in to clean the movies up at the end, there is a young black. Okay.

6:47It's our story. A young black kid who's sitting there. Yeah. He's watching all of these movies because he's running away from a fraught home life. Okay. He's explaining the movies to you because you can't afford and don't have the time to see them at any other time. You guys just love Blossoms over film. And that's the entire film. Jungle Fever meets Cinema Paradiso. Jungle Fever, Cinema Paradiso. A little Adventureland in there, I feel like. A little bit. Who's the black Kristen Stewart? How are we doing this thing? Here's a key factor. In order to win my heart, this person needs to not just leave their trash all over the ground.

7:25He helps you clean up. What's the vibe on that in general these days? Do you guys pick up your stuff at the end of the movie? Yes, of course. I'm just asking. Take your shopping cart back to the little shopping cart holder in the parking lot. I know you guys have heard the Code 50 story, right? If you do one thing help the code 50 at wherever you are by taking your shopping cart back it is a grueling job in the summer i was a walmart code 50 for an entire summer around the parking lot you grab the carts on a saturday in baton rouge it's 95 degrees and you get all the carts they're lined up like little ducks in a row and all of a sudden five minutes later they're all over the place It's a never ending job.

8:16What if, let's just say hypothetically, a person has an insane screaming toddler and you need to get them out of the cart and into the car and get out of the parking lot as quickly as possible? Is there an allowance for not returning the cart to the space where they belong in that instance? It is tough. I think you got to keep the toddler in the cart, park the cart, and then carry the toddler back. Are y 'all looking for permission or forgiveness? I'm just speaking hypothetically. He wants to know when he witnesses behavior like this, how he should respond. Also, another thing that you could do is that if you are parking your car and you see someone having the issue that Sean or I may hypothetically be having, you take the car back on your way.

9:04Can I make another suggestion? Sure. Live a more continental lifestyle and only buy food for the meal that's next. Wow. Kind of like the Italian or French style stopping by the market on the way home. Chris does not shop at Costco. And then why don't you just bring it on over to my house when you're done shopping for yourself? I don't have children and I don't cook, so I can't comment. Can I put one more button on this movie theater thing? Yes. Which is that it's not on our list, but I believe, my memory serves, there was an Exorcist re-release this year and it made people very ill in the cinema.

9:34And that is something that we had to deal with. Oh no. That sucks. Oh, whoa. You were mommy? did you hold a mop that's terrible yes oh i'm sorry that's cool mallory in 2000 did you hold a mop uh it's possible that at some point my my mother set some chores and said you know swiffer that fucking floor fold the laundry iron it it's entirely possible yeah does that explain your fastidiousness to this day i think my husband has some feedback recently on the the tidiness level in our home. So Chris can ask him about that as Adam texts him every day with new 4K links and they discuss their passion for physical media.

10:12It's beautiful. The brotherhood just froze. Really thrilled for you guys. Adam was at 2000, as Sean knows, DVDs for years, just waiting for other people to talk to him about this. So he's delighted. In the year 2000, I was, let's see, eighth grade into ninth grade. So end of middle school into the beginning of high school. So it's an interesting stretch in my movie history where like this was a big time for middle school, early high school movies, right? I don't know, 800 sleepovers where we watched center stage, for example, right? Like there were some movies that just feel inextricable from thinking back to those years.

10:49I was also still seeing movies with my parents. Like I definitely saw Meet the Parents with my parents, not together because they split when I was two, but that's for another podcast. What did you guys say? Like, American Psycho? Right, and then that's kind of the third bucket of, like, I'm an adult and I am becoming my own person and I will engage with mature cinema. How old were you again? 13? Okay, because you're like, I was an adult, but I'm having sleepovers and watching set of stage. Oh, you know, love a sleepover. Excuse me. And some of these movies that I discovered later in high school, you know, some of these movies were a big part of my life later in high school or even in college.

11:24So, The Formative Years, I mean, very similar in that sense to 99. Man, 2000. I was in the wilderness film-wise because this was a banner year for me. I had left Louisiana Tech and transferred to Southern University. You hit the portal. I did. And when we got on the yard, me and my friend Ryan Davenport, my very best friend, known him since the first grade, when we got... But you were his best friend. I thought so too. Yeah. Brutal. I'm sorry about that. When we got on the yard, on Southern's campus, HBCU, Baton Rouge, we couldn't concentrate on anything else other than what was going on in the yard.

12:06What was going on? Female. Fulgur. Yep. Couldn't concentrate on, like, I'm looking at this. And did you say it like that, just like that? Female. Yeah, yeah. We actually didn't say it. That's actually the PC version. Did you see any films that year? I saw films. I saw films, but so many of these movies were DVD rentals of all of us hanging out for Hanna. So many of these films are DVD rentals. You know what I mean? I'm looking at some of these movies and I wasn't in the theaters as much as I was before because at Tech, I was going to the movies all the time because there was less to do, but we was on the yard.

12:52What do you mean by less to do? Tech was, you know, it was up there in Ruston, so I was going to the movies a lot, but man, on the yard it was a Kappa party, it was a perfect ten party, you know what I mean? We had Harambe, we had all different types of... Would you say Harambe? Okay, so Harambe is not just the name of an ill-fated primate. Yeah, well, he's one of the defining characters of Amanda's wedding to me. Harambe is also the name I knew as soon as I heard that word that's where we were going I just read each other's salon.com headlines about Harambe when you celebrate your wedding anniversary do you pour one out for Harambe?

13:39you visit his grave site and what was the Thunder team that night? that was through Klay Thompson game 6 crazy wedding yeah a lot of people watching basketball on their phones at midnight before they all stood up on chairs and started throwing things around wait who's the other Harambe Harambe is a multicultural festival that happens between LSU and Southern where everybody comes out and there's a step show so I was just I was locked in so but I saw all of these movies at different times but a lot of this stuff is in bedroom in living room viewing later on in the year I noticed as well or females females Amanda I mean hard to follow that one especially with where I was I was thinking on the way in in many ways maybe 2000 was like peak performance Amanda like I turned 16 got my driver's license oh wow state champion cross country I mean I was not number one but the team was absolutely smashing those APs you know fives only so it was like it was like I was you know

14:54I tripped the SATs that went okay like have I gotten back to that we're not doing that we can all put the scores on the table you're gonna talk your shit talk your shit I haven't gotten back to that would you describe yourself as like a cool No, like literally nothing I said was just cool, right? Like I was taking the SATs and AP classes, you know? But like in terms of what I was built to do, like maybe that was it. And the rest has just been... You peaked in AP. Probably, yeah. I mean, I don't think that's true, but AP Lit? AP Psych? AP History? No, AP Psych. What was your favorite? AP Music Theory.

15:45AP French Lit. AP Chem. AP French Lit? Yeah. Translated. Translated. This is what I'm saying. I went to Publix. AP French Lit. I took AP Spanish Lit. It's a thing that people take. Real. And just reading Flaubert and writing essays about it? Yes. In French. Do I remember anything? God bless. Yeah. World history. Did you ever cheat in AP French Lit and secretly buy the books in English? Because that's what we did in AP Spanish Lit. Wow. A lot coming to light here. Just outing yourself. We wonder why higher education is crumbling now. I mean, we had to write our essays in Spanish. Maybe we did with Camus.

16:21Yeah, maybe I read The Stranger in English. Yeah, there's like some of them you're just like, Marquez, I need some help. Yeah, but I mean, you know, you had to write the thing in French. I doubt my essay was very good. Blue Books, remember it? Oh, I do remember the Blue Books. Yeah, children. Chris, tell us about your APs in 2000. I was 22 turning 23 in 2000. This is the 2000 AD, but three BSF before Sean Fentasy in my life. That's right. I just moved to New York City. That's how I mark time too. Adorable. Really touching. Yeah, I moved from Boston to New York in 2000 and was writing about music.

17:01And I would describe my relationships to film as an activity rather than a passion. I think the cinema of the time kind of like it kind of gave into that kind of behavior because it was like a fun thing to do on a Saturday afternoon before I went out at night or like if I had time to kill or whatever if I was walking by a theater I was like oh I actually checked it out and it was playing but it wasn't like I was making lists and I'm making I'm thinking about it and I'm reading a lot of criticism and I'm trying to figure out like what are the hot movies it was just kind of like oh is this a movie about stealing cars I'll go watch it you know uh right and so that was my that was my kind of movie vibe back then but like were you you were still in college were you you haven't talked about your relationship to females in that year what was it and also your ap scores well no i was out of college i know so i was just taking ap tests for fun really boston into new york so this was the big strawberry strawberry uh ale era and this is when you were getting tatted up you were in a b if memory serves boston i okay i moved on from strawberry ale those were like the freshman year beers i was on newberry street the other day and That's where I was spoken for five years.

18:06Did you leave Boston because of the racism? Yes. It became too much to bear? I just can't take this legacy. And the strawberry ale memories. Yes. I moved to New York with a girlfriend at the time. But she then left and went to London to be an au pair. Another show. Wow. Another show. Well, that's Emily in Paris. Emily in Paris. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Chris in Brooklyn. Yeah. What was your girlfriend's name? It's like girls, but it's a guy. What was your au pair girlfriend's name? I don't want to talk about it. She was from Canada. She was a very nice girl. Did she leave you with the lease? She was Juliette Binoche.

18:44Liz Hurley? Got it. In 2000, I graduated from high school and started my freshman year of college. We just thought we were so fucking cool that we were graduating high school in the year 2000. It didn't mean anything. It is meaningless. At that time, I was pretty much the same as I am now. Obsessed with movies. Kind of straddling the line between tremendous loser and normal person.

19:10Were you wearing the Grey Goose vodka hat with the fishhook in it at this point? That was in college. There's not been talk of that in some time. It's always on my mind. Have you ever seen it? I actually believe I might have emailed Eileen once and asked for a photo, but did not receive one. Yeah, I did wear a Grey Goose vodka hat with a fishhook on it for many years. Do you feel like a fishhook? Yes. What's the fishhook? Like the actual hook? Through the bill. Yeah, for like a fishing hook. But why? Sending out a message to the world. This is really what I'm about. Careful, you may become scared.

19:42It's my favorite fact about it. Here's a really important question. In the 99 draft last year, we learned canonically that 99 was the year you became the Nuzzler. Oh, yes. Sure. Was this the year of the Nuzzler 2? Also an Amazon series. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that's... Eileen and I got together in 99 and stayed together. Yeah. And we are together today. Yeah. So... Right. The Nuzzler 2 is still nuzzling in 2000. It was really more like an extended series rather than individual films. It was kind of my one lone dip into television. Otherwise, it's been all movies for me. Got it, got it. So 2000, you know, I saw a lot of movies in 2000.

20:23A shit ton of movies. I think 99 also supercharged a native interest. And it was just like, so are we just getting like the Matrix and the Sixth Sense every year? Like, is this what movies are now? Reader award. We did not. Isn't actually what happened. So this is a pretty fascinating year. Very memorable Academy Awards because of the dominance of, I would say, two figures. Maximus and Steven Soderbergh. Those to me are the critical. Yeah, by Maximus. This is the Steven Soderbergh MVP season. I agree. As he's working his way through the bench with like out of sight and he's having a fantastic rookie year with Sex, Lies and videotape and all of that stuff.

21:04This is the MVP season. This is finally when he grabs the thing. I'm the guy. I have a take that both of these movies are now underrated because they came out in the same year. I agree. Definitely. Even by me. I've made a lot of podcasts about Steven Soderbergh over the years. Yeah. One yes. I think the classics from this year had like a long period of time. Soderbergh's and also I would say some of the other more well-regarded movies from this year had a period of like out in the wilderness. Like nobody's really talking about them. They're not being revived at all. And then they've had a nice little run recently.

21:39Like what? I think I've definitely like come to love traffic, for instance. Gladiator, I think, got a bump from the sequel and from just the sequel not being as good as Gladiator. Bill Simmons single-handedly has kept Castaway in the public consciousness for the last 15 years. So there's a lot of stuff going on. Having just recently revisited Castaway after not caring about it for a very long period of time, Bill was right. Pretty good movie. Pretty amazing movie. I don't know if it's the single film that I would dedicate my life to thinking about. No, I wouldn't either. I do want to frame this conversation very specifically because my thinking about it dictated some of the category decisions that we made here today.

22:25So the thing that jumped out to me when I put together the list of all the movies that qualify for the box office category is that there are only two sequels in the top 21, no, 22 movies from this year. Originals. That is crazy when you look at the history of movies. And obviously in the last 25 years, we've talked a lot about sequelization franchises. But if you go back to the 80s, there's usually four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten sequels. So the thing that we always drone on about on the show, which is like make original movies. This was the year. Like they did it. And we have to ask ourselves, is this actually what we want?

23:01Because in some cases, it doesn't always turn out right because it's a risk to do an original. Okay, so original storytelling bad actually. Didn't say that. Okay. But it's fodder for discussion. and so with that in mind we have changed a category i'll go through the seven categories we'll be drafting from today so most of the classics drama comedy action horror thriller oscar nominee that means any movie that was nominated for an oscar released in this year and then in lieu of sequel we will do original so that means we will pick an original movie not based on any ip whatsoever because there are so many options to choose from now we can have a little bit of a spirited debate about what qualifies and what does not in a moment and then wild card is our last category no excuse me blockbuster 100 million dollar threshold and then wild card so seven categories seven drafters 49 films 49 films this is a lot we got to make we got to be succinct in our picks yeah the original question now i got a a late text message and no and a post 10 p.m.

24:05text message from Mallory Urban last night. Oh, okay. From who? From trying to find who would dare to violate the boundaries of working for surprising questions. It was former President Barack Obama and he said, I heard the 2000 draft is coming. I'll have you know, I was a junior senator from Illinois at that time. Was he a junior? He wasn't a junior senator. He wasn't yet. Wow. What was he doing? He was still a congressman. Local government? Yeah. He was a state senator. State senator. He was just watching NCT. So, Mall texted me and I won't say the title of the film but it is a film that is based on true events but fictionalized.

24:36And she said, does this movie qualify for original? And I don't have a strong feeling. I think it's worth discussing. I was following up on what I realized some eight to 12 hours later in the day was a note from you that I had not absorbed or understood in full, which was like real life figures count as in this exercise IP. That would make a movie not an original movie. So if it is a historical adaptation, if it is based on a book, if it is based on a play, if it is based on an older version of the movie, we're saying that it being based on real figures is the same as being an adaptation of a book, which to me is ludicrous.

25:18I agree. That's insane. Absolutely absurd. It makes the category almost impossible. But it's your draft. Is it? Jesus. Let's be legal about it. Is something being offered? it's like if it's a book, if it's a biography, if it's a, I don't want to give anything away, but a piece of journalism, you know? Memoir. Then that is IP. If it's just, you know, life rights. Right, and what if the figures are inspired by, but it's not a direct one-to-one based on this person's life? You guys are legitimately making Shauna comfortable right now. No, I think we should do the pornography rule. I think he wants to be pushed.

26:00I think we'll know it when we see it. Okay, so people, I'm fine with that. Make the pick, try to pick it in that category if you want, and then the group can say no, and you adjust. That's right. Original. I made a list of potential originals and came up with quite a few. It's a lot. I think there's a lot here that even if you remove the docudrama element, there's a rich tapestry of picks to choose from. Now, are they exactly the movies that you want on your draft board? Probably not. It's going to be hard to get all the movies you want with seven drafters in seven categories. We just went through this with Tom Cruise.

26:32You know, some not so great movies were drafted. Some absolutely brutal stuff. I had to take Interview with the Vampire. I would have taken it. You had the honor to. That movie sucks. That was only funny because you talked about how you didn't want it. We got to talk. We got to do the Interview with the Vampire. The show has just riddled and degraded the movie to me. I can't do the movie anymore. The movie's not nearly as good as the show, but it's still... Yeah. Okay. Before we draft, we need to set the draft order. For the very last time, Bobby Wagner will be helping us set the draft order. Bobby!

27:08Bob, do you want to weigh in on this original debate? Nope. Not my job anymore. You guys figure that out over there. I'm just here to set the order.

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27:21Selecting first overall will be Mallory Ruben. I didn't want that. Honestly. Nobody ever wants where I pick them. You get first, you get last. Everyone's mad all the time. This was the burden that you carried for many years. Yeah, now it's not my responsibility anymore. Second overall Rob Mahoney.

27:48This is a lot of tiles to pick out without Sean even vamping. Sean third? Sean. Sean. Third. Wait, who was second? Sorry. Rob. Yeah, Rob. Hmm. So you have like a hierarchy of picks. You're like, this is my personal relationship. I talked about this before. I go through the list of films released in the year. I write down everyone that I know I saw. You're fourth, yeah. Fourth is Chris. And then I do like basically a power ranking of them. Okay. But then I put them into their appropriate genre categories or their appropriate categories. I see. Yeah. And you order them by preference. Yeah. But then I, at the moment, when we walk in here.

28:29Joanna 5th? Oh, Joanna's 5th. How did you do it with Seabiscuit, since you haven't seen the film? That was more about my relationship to horses in general. And World War II bond raising, you know? He was not racing during World War II. Van is going 6th, which makes Amanda 7th. You have the turn. I have the turn. Okay. Fuck. 5th? 5th. Second, second, first. Did not want the first pick in this draft. Well, Mallory, you have the honors. Bobby, we love you. Bobby. You did it, bud. Thank you very much, Bob. Farewell to Top Gun. For the Top Gun hat. Good luck, everyone. Thank you, Bobby. Let's go Mets.

29:13Let's go Mal. It's more appropriate. It's your turn. I saw them lose recently. Yes, I know. You got to see Dobbins pitch. I did. Dobbins start and then walk off in the top. for the Sox. Yeah, not for the Orioles. Wasn't there a Norris? Yeah, I sat through it in the first inning, but we made it. All right. I didn't want the number one pick because in a draft this size, it's just so long to wait for the second pick, and I think that's going to be a challenge for me. So take your time up now, yeah. But, and I kind of knew what I wanted to do in the two through seven range, but I do feel like I know what I want to pick, and I'm curious to see if you guys agree and think there was a consensus or if this could have gone a number of different ways I will be selecting something that has been on all of our minds recently because of a sequel that was not as good and made us appreciate this film more what we do in movie drafts echoes an eternity I will be taking Gladiator which I think is the closest in in do it Oscar nominee.

30:22Interesting. I will be taking Gladiator an Oscar nominee. Interesting. I think this is the closest to like, yeah, this might have been number one on most people's boards, but I won't be surprised if that's not the case. You know, it was, and then I feel like Sean did a whisper campaign about how Gladiator's not that good. Did he? Did you? Did I do a whisper campaign? Have you been kind of like, this movie's not actually I feel like we all saw the second one and thought, you know what? That first one was even better than we realized. Well, I think both things can be true. I think it can be not my favorite Ridley Scott movie, and I can also acknowledge that it has greatness in it.

30:56It's just not. It's interesting because Gladiator is an original movie, but I think there's a through line with the original movies that we have in this year, is that they're all super familiar concepts. You got your sword and sandal movie. You got your big time comedy where you're actually meeting. There's all things you can glom onto. so Gladiator feels like a movie that you've seen before and like it takes you a while to realize that you're watching something that has historical figures and it's the whole nine that's like a throwback Spartacus type film so people knew what to expect when they were sitting down.

31:32It also does feature real life figures in Marcus Aurelius's world and then also the inspiration for that movie is based on a book about Colosseum fighting but then nothing is really taken from that book other than the idea of Coliseum fighting being the platform, the stage for the movie. So if it were to go into the original conversation, I think that would have been the most interesting debate that we could have had. Is that what you're asking about? There were, it actually wasn't the one I texted him about, but it was the thing we had discussed during the day yesterday that then I was reflecting on later.

32:04And I was like, wait, now I have a question about another movie. I feel good about this pick. This is a solid movie to have on my board. It's a great pick. I think it's the consensus one. On the gladiatorial front. Every time I watch this movie, I want more time in the minors. Like, Gladiator AAA is my favorite part. The train is like... Like, you gotta prove you can do it in Rochester before you get to Rome. And I feel like we fast forward through that stuff way, way too fast. I have a Starz show for you called Spartacus. And guess what? Guess what? I loved every second of Spartacus. A lot of dicks in that show.

32:33A lot of dicks. Blood and sand show. And so we've again. A lot of dicks. Gladiator 2 had the same problem. Where it was like, Paul Meskel was a warrior and then a slave and then he won one fight and they were like, you are now entering the Roman Coliseum. But he had familial kind of claim to the church. He was really bad at speeches. He had a lot going for him. Gladiator 2 is fucking unwatchable. First Gladiator rules though. I didn't think it was unwatchable. I watched it. I tried to watch it again. I watched it. Gladiator 2 sucks. What about... I thought Denzel was very entertaining. I thought Denzel was great and I thought the...

33:14Syphilitic Emperor's I saw it What about the monkey? The monkey The first time I saw it I was like Hey you know This is kind of cool The second time I watched it It's a fucking mess You know I've only seen it once So maybe I don't ever Have to answer that question Same Alright Rob Rob Mahoney has the Number two pick I feel like this is pretty easy I'm gonna take Almost Famous Yeah That was the other one I considered at one That would've been my number one It's really tough It's really tough Pretty undeniable I don't know why I thought that was gonna fall to me Yeah Mallory cannot betray me hell.

33:45I kind of figured it would go at one, so I'm thrilled to have it at two. Watching it at the time, I'm very much like goner for Penny Lane watching this movie. Sure. Now I watch it and I realize - Goner or Gooner? No comment. Now I watch it and I'm like really identifying with Frances McDormand. So, you know, we have - Oh, man. We have crested into a different stage of life. Yeah, life comes at you fast. I'm feeling that deeply. She's making a lot of great points. Maybe not like full on record confiscation points, but other than that, incredibly charming, undeniable movie. It's so hard not to get swept away in it.

34:16It's a classic, I'm going to pull up this one scene and I end up watching the back, I don't know, hour and a half of this movie. It's the best. What category? I'm going to take it, so can I make the argument for comedy? Is almost famous enough of a dramedy to be a comedy? I think so. That feels like too much hesitation. I think it's in, I bet in Wikipedia it describes it as a romantic comedy. I find that fascinating because I think this is actually a great year for comedy. So I'll allow it just in that very specific respect. This is what I texted Sean about last night at 11 p.m., by the way. Yeah.

34:48Yes. Almost famous was the question as to would this be considered because neither William Miller nor the band he is profiling are real people. But Led Zeppelin exists in this world. Stillwater is real to me. You know what I mean? Ben Fong Torres is here. Ben Fong Torres, of course. Lester Bangs, of course. Lester Bangs, of course. We've got real people. But by changing... Was it the Eagles or the Doobie Brothers? what was the band that he was sort of like loosely basing his experience it was the doobie brothers the doobie brothers yeah um so i was like uh obsessed with music magazines when this movie came out and my life's goal was to work at a music magazine when this movie came out and i was obviously already a huge fan of cameron crow folks have heard me talk about jerry mcguire many times on the show um i was like is this really happening when this movie came out like i was electrified by this movie and didn't maybe totally even understand what cameron crow's life was and the fact that he He was like, yeah, I'm 16.

35:40I'm on the road with a band. Fuck. I find it still has the magic. That's how I feel like the upcoming HBO show task. Is this really happening? Mark Ruffalo, for me? This is like a, you guys can weigh in on this too, please. If they didn't score that to Guns N' Roses' Patience, would that be a good trailer? But they did. It's a good trailer. Yeah. You know what I mean? Because Guns N' Roses' Patience, like that's over here. That's a five out of five. You can't get better. That is music. That's like, this is what we're going for. That's on the mood board. It's interesting that you're holding your arm up to say that's over here because it does allow me to say that Joanna Robinson, who's with us today, has an almost famous tattoo on her wrist.

36:18And yet Rob Mahoney took this movie before she could. Yeah, you know what? Not a thing that I did to her. I think that we have learned over time that Rob Mahoney takes no prisoners. It's true. I made my piece of this. I was like, if I'm not a number one or two drafter, I'm not getting it. But this is a movie that changed my life. It's the reason I got into journalism. It's a perfect movie. Well, you know what we said. that Rob's fucking. All right. Well, I'm in the complicated position of number three. Yeah. Hmm. Well, I think I'm going to take a blockbuster and I think I'm going to take one of the most exciting blockbusters of this year and the fact that it was a blockbuster is a remarkable thing that happened.

36:59Taking Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, Angley, Masterpiece, this movie. It's hard to communicate what a phenomenon this movie was. Yeah. released by Sony Pictures Classics by a filmmaker who'd never made action cinema like this, who really did not indicate that this was like, I guess, pushing hands, maybe one of his first movies showed that he had an interest in martial arts, but extraordinary movie. Michelle Yeoh, I think for many people, the first time they saw her, and now we have a huge relationship with her in the last 10 years of movies. Just a gorgeous, worship film. I think Winyo Peng, who did the choreography for The Matrix, also worked on this movie, and so you have that like incredible wire work and this movie made like$130 million.

37:42You could make an argument at number one. Absolutely. You could make an argument at number one. It was a phenomenon. It was like everybody was talking about the martial arts but then also when you saw the movie you got swept up in this beautiful story. It's a gorgeous beautiful story. It's a great movie. I can't see the screen. You see the sequel to this movie? I didn't Crouching Tiger 2 I didn't when did that come out? 2016 something like that I haven't seen the sequel popped in the 4k if this puppy over the weekend fuck yeah looks beautiful this was a movie that had maybe the highest approval rating of people coming out of the theater in this year just anecdotally like I remember seeing it walking out as a theater were you also I remember you were vomiting also Joe festooned in a cube he's like did you like it?

38:34yeah

38:37Okay, number four. That's me. By the way, Crouching Tiger would have applied to like six of these categories. Which category did you take it in? I took it in Blockbuster. Oh, okay. Blockbuster, kind of a weird category. You know what I'm going to do? I'm going to do something a little funny here. In original, I'm going to do You Can Count on Me. Wow, that's a great pick. That's a great pick. Just because you're thinking about Mark Ruffalo always. I am always thinking about Mark Ruffalo. Kenneth Lonergan's directorial debut. So good. Really like the first time I had ever really seen Ruffalo. I think this is his first big role.

39:10And probably like Laura Linney's breakout, I would say. One of the most amazing portraits of family love that I've ever seen. And what happens to families over the course of their lives as their parents get older. And it's like everything happens. And is tender and funny and heartbreaking. and is probably the movie that I take with me the most from this year. And with all the legalese surrounding original films this year, I thought I'd grab one. Smart. And I'm also happy to walk away with it. So that's good. That's a really good one. Perfect movie. This is a rare, if memory serves, four and a half stars for the Sean Fantasy letterbox.

39:50Did I give it four and a half stars? I think you did. Don't be doing less. He sent us the letterbox list, and there are a number of four stars, but I only saw one four and a half. One of the greatest last scenes in a film too. I don't know. Incredible cello score. It does. It's a very good movie if you have a sibling. That's what I'll say. If you've ever had a complicated relationship. No offense to all the onlys but this movie gets something very right about having siblings. I have an only in my family so no shots of the onlys. This is my movie I was dumb enough to think was going to be there in round three or four.

40:27so I'm heartbroken that you took it there's a lot of stuff in a lot of other categories and I just I'm like a little freaked out by original same okay it's Joanna Jack made a helpful little rubric Joanna that'll be very helpful to look at okay Jo I think you're right that we have to like dig into original while we have it fuck I kind of feel like I'm going to throw up right now just say it wow um well i'm inspired by chris since my number one is off the board i'm kind of spiraling so um i will just go with my heart and i'll say actually one of the most important movies to me also in this year is billy elliott wow okay all right i don't have to throw up this is my prediction um of course then turned into a stage musical which gave us tom holland among other things in our lives but uh i have watched this movie one million times uh incredible young jimmy bell performance uh wonderful great movie if you've got uh dad issues great movie uh if you love if you have anger and frustration and use art to get through it um great movie if you love regional dialects uh in the uk and uh this is one of those you know those um the soundtracks that had snippets of dialogue on the CD or on the tape, like little scenelets, and then you listen to that soundtrack so many times, you have all of those little moments of dialogue like in Pulp Fiction memorized.

42:05This is true of the Billy Elliot soundtrack for me. I listen to, it's got all these great T-Rex tracks and then all these great scenes from Billy Elliot. And I cry every time I watch this movie. Joe, you're taking this in original? Yes. What is the verdict on, this is based on his own play, that then he adapts into the movie but then he re-adapts into a different play. Rob, did you take Almost English from me and now you're trying to take away Billy Elliot? Take Billy Elliot from me? I would love nothing more than to give you Billy Elliot from being honest. a loophole that the person adapting all this stuff is the same guy?

42:37Yeah, it's original. The whiplash theorem. But if it's based on their own life, it's not original? I didn't say that. Well, I think that we're still negotiating. Oh, well, we can still negotiate that. Okay. All right. Feels like we're waiting for allowing. That was a very beautiful tribute. I'm slightly concerned that from a rules perspective that would be in a different category. So I don't know enough about this. I'm on Joe's side. Re-explain what transpired here. Again, you'll have to make like several hundred hours of podcasts with Joanna for the next 12 months. He's the nicest guy and he's a fucking assassin.

43:12He's an animal! He's not nice. Every time you get to the core of who Rob is he's a sociopath. I'm calling HR Lee Hall wrote a play called Dancer that play gets adapted into the movie Billy Elliot that gets adapted into the play Billy Elliot it premiered as a rehearsed reading in 1998 at the live theater so it wasn't even a full production leave Jill alone I think that that's I don't like this if this hasn't been staged then I think that that is a loophole okay thanks Amanda rehearsed reading I mean I'm just reading box office but I agree really came through for me so if you're a person out there Newcastle upon Tyne also.

43:49So, you know, like not the West End. Who has a ticket stub to Billy Elliot, then Joe's draft is invalidated.

43:57This is really dicey territory because like every movie is kind of based on an idea that someone had at any given time that then went into a series of development. These are the pitfalls of this category. I'll make an allowance for Billy Elliot. Sure. Oh, wow. That's really big of you. How does that sound? I'm team Joe here. So generous. Thank you. You're going to talk to him. I mean, there are plenty of rehearsed readings for all sorts of original things. Yeah, they've rehearsed, you know? Hatefully, you know? They certainly did. That was also an original. Wait, so you thought I would do Almost James first, Billy Elliot second?

44:28Yeah. Mallory knows my heart. It's really sweet. That's beautiful. I had a theory, because I just, the love of the musical. Yeah. And the dance. The art of dance. The end when he's in Matthew Borg, Swan Lake, and his dad cries and gasps when he makes the leap. I forgot about that. It's good. Oh my God. Okay, Van, you're up. All right. So for my first pick, it's going to be symbolic because I know I'm going to get the movie that I want after Amanda's two picks because it's coming right back to me. So I'm going to pick Bamboozled in original. Oh, nice. Wow, originals. There's a run. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to pick Bamboozled in original.

45:02It is the single movie that I watched the most this year. It's blown away at Spike's audacity. I think it was partly the audacity of the movie that makes it one of Spike's lesser lauded films. Because as far as him just writing a movie that has the same ending issue that many Spike Lee movies have, right? Where he kind of drifts into the supernatural slash absurdist slash whatever. And people go, you know, whatever. Throwing the basketball. And then having a guy catch it at the end. having Chittlesworth catch it at the end if he got game or the wake up from the end of school days where people are like, it's more of an allegorical ending.

45:44This one kind of has the same thing. But what a kick in the nuts if you are a 20 year old black man and you are endeavoring, wanting to endeavor into a career in entertainment. When you watch this movie, it completely reorients the way you look at yourself and the way you look at that entire industry. Just like a sublime absurdist tragedy. Love the film. Your favorite character was Michael Rappaport. Yeah. That was sort of peak Rappaport for me. The corporate PR satire stuff in this movie is like way too fucking applicable. The playbook of just like name check Martin Luther King, say the word community a lot, wear the kente cloth.

46:30It's like, oh lord. He tries, he literally tries to do the one idea that he thinks is too far that will surely get him fired and it's the one that makes him into who he was it was just i still watch it's fantastic to me the one thing about this movie that was at the time kind of revolutionary and now is interesting to look back on is that it looks like it was shot with a potato right and because it's that early dv that you get like with 28 days later and there's a couple of movies that were shot with this really early dv style oliver stone u-turn did he do that kind of like there's like parts of it that feel that way or maybe even just different film stocks Yeah.

47:06Which actually just makes it feel like surveillance footage. Like it being a lot of handheld. And so you're like in those boardrooms where Damon Wayans is explaining his ideas. And you're like, is this like a candid camera episode or something? That feeling of disorientation. It works really great for this movie. Fantastic Tommy Davidson performance as well. Yeah. Like just, I love the movie. Okay. Great pick. We're down to Amanda at the turn.

47:32We cheer and we lead. Yeah. Yeah. You hate us because we're beautiful. But we don't like you either. We're cheerleaders. Yeah, cheerleaders. Okay, I went to sleep last night and praying that I would get the turn so that I could do a Kiki doubleheader. Obviously. Everyone is really being themselves so far. Thank you so much, everyone. Number one pick in drama will be The Virgin Suicides. Okay. Sofia Coppola's directorial debut, which premiered at Cannes in 1999, but it was not eligible for the 1999 draft, as I made Rob Mahoney very aware of. Because it did not premiere in the U.S. until April 2000.

48:13This is an absolutely beautiful movie about being a teenager and not understanding things and like deep sadness and the power of Josh Hartman 25 years ago, which remains today. I didn't get to go to I have some good questions but otherwise yes Fountaine? How dare you? Oh come on first of all when he's like walking down the hallway to Magic Man and then obviously with the heart and she jumps into the car and they start making out that is some powerful stuff. I didn't get to go to the academy screening with Kiki and Sophia which like was okay with me. I don't like I don't know if I want to be that close to greatness but I did think Kiki looked great.

48:54Anyway that's drama comedy yeah bring it on which like i honestly i was a little nervous that joanna was gonna take bring it on for me at some point um this is you know i was i turned 16 in 2000 one of the great teen comedies an incredible kirsten dunn's performance great gabrielle union gave us spirit fingers gave us you know one of the great movie openings of all time which i do have memorized in full. I just gave you guys a snippet there. You're welcome. The floor is yours. The floor is yours. Continue. For the moves as well. You also take an AP class on the film Bring It Up. No, but do you know actually that at a pep rally at my high school, the actual cheerleaders did perform that opening?

49:39I was not a cheerleader, no. No, I was on cross country. Were you a cultural appropriator? Also not that. Though I did live in Atlanta, so, you know. Really, really funny like smart teen movie. Great. I prefer this to Ant-Man. Thanks to all of you. And I feel great about getting it. It's bonkers to me that Bring It On was not a blockbuster. Because speaking of movies that did numbers on the sleepover circuit, I don't understand how this wasn't a bigger theater hit. Were you bumping Bring It On? Yeah, it was a big one. Oh, yes. This movie was everywhere. You could not avoid it. In Reisterstown, Maryland?

50:17It was kind of an instant cold classic. Yeah, it was. And now a queer classic. now a queer classic as well um okay Van we're back to you it's the only time I'm torn oh I felt like I know something I thought you were like I'm gonna get this I know but now I'm thinking about another movie that I would really love to have but I'm gonna go with my first heart I'm taking traffic off the board and I'm so interesting wow interesting that isn't what I thought you were gonna do um no because there's another film that I wanted but I gotta take traffic off the board for what category Oscar Oscar Oscar. I'm taking an Oscar.

50:52Baton Rouge. The only time I'm going to get to draft Baton Rouge is this. Steven Soderbergh, Baton Rouge. But more so, I love the movie from the moment that I saw it. Ensemble cast. It seemed like a very important film to watch at that time. That it was saying something really important and turning you on to something that you kind of didn't realize what's going on. So first time I was really thought of drug cartels as being Mexican and not like Colombian. You know what I mean? Like the movie was saying something and like diving deep into a world and took me in the middle of the world that made me uncomfortable.

51:36Particularly the Amanda Seyfried, like all of that stuff. Erica Christensen. Put some respect on Swim fan. Look, two blonde from the same. Don't you hate that though? Like when you're promoted to drug czar and then Topher Grace gets your daughter hooked on crack. And then Topher Grace has the temerity to be like, whoa, whoa, whoa, back up, man. Back up. What would it be like if 100 black guys went into a white neighborhood asking for drugs? I felt them. But even that portrayal, like, I'm telling you, this was mind-blowing if you were watching that 70s show, by the way, that he showed up in this form.

52:08Yeah, yeah. So, and OJ, he's like, I'd like to take a hit. Here's what I'd like to try. Let's have sex and take a hit when we both come. Yeah. How did I know you were going to quote that directly while looking me in the eyes on this podcast? The way this movie got sold to me, because the way this movie got sold to me is like one of my homeboys was like, hey, yo, Chris Rock has been beaten. And I was like, what? He's like, he's not the number one crackhead no more. When you see the white girl in traffic, that's the number one crackhead ever. And I had to go see the number one crackhead. Check it out.

52:45And so I went and saw the movie. Fantastic. A movie that holds up is as good today as it was then. Let's just shout out a couple of things in this. Cliff Martinez score. He blacked out. It's amazing. It's just gorgeous. The fact that Soberberg's running Michael Douglas up and down these streets with a handheld camera. Clifton Collins is incredible. And this Benicio, obviously amazing. Don Cheadle. Cheadle's amazing. Have you seen Phoenicians Game yet? And this is my favorite Catherine Zeta-Jones. Yeah, Catherine Zeta-Jones. I have not seen this. The peak of her career. That's disrespectful to Ocean's Eleven.

53:14Benicio's amazing. and so when this movie came out i had the same reaction as you i was like this movie is important and i had that classic like reddit conspiracy brain of like it is all connected the drug goes all the way to the top and then all the way down you know when you're 16 and you're like this has revealed something really profound and then you know for the intervening 10 or 15 years i was like this movie's like a little overrated and it feels very schematic and i can feel the screenplay when i'm watching it and then i would watch it again a few years ago and i was like actually no this is he's right everything is all connected the performances in the movie are incredible like this is some of the best acting i think sordawick's ever gotten so yeah great pick tough for cr tough for cr yeah joanna rough um do you know what i'm picking next i actually have a theory i'll be honest about whether i'm right after you make the pick okay so for a long time i would walk around talking about my top five i knew it this is my prediction for your draft is that it would be very musically inclined because there are a lot of great music movies.

54:12What am I picking? You're picking High Fidelity. Oh, I'm not picking High Fidelity. Oh! What a big switch with the top five. I know. But top five, I do understand. Way to throw it out there. Now somebody else is going to grab it. By the way, that was the other movie. It was between Traffic and High Fidelity. I'm shocked that that's not what you're picking. Okay. What other top five? I would talk about my top five favorites of all time. Two of them were from the year 2000. Almost famous in this other one that I'm going to say. Another one was from 2001. And then it was a rotating other two. I don't know if it's just because I was working in a movie theater or whatever.

54:45Anyway, point being. Requiem for a Dream. It's O Brother Where Art Thou. It's O Brother Where Art Thou. It's one of my dad's favorite movies. I'm taking it in an Oscar. Great fucking pick. I love this movie with my whole entire heart. I think this is my favorite George Clooney. This is where I was introduced to one of my favorite people, Tim Blake Nelson. Yeah. this is an incredible Coen Brothers joint we're basing it off of myth we're changing everyone's relationship with bluegrass music and it looks like a million bucks and I I love this movie I did know that this was a favorite of yours it is also a favorite of Barry Rubin's My Beloved Father you guys have a lot in common as we frequently discuss yeah Barry and I are one of them it does still fit the Joe is gonna pick movies with songs in them yeah it's a musical so yeah great pick love it you're really you look perplexed Sean well because I had a vision of how this round was going to go and Van and Joe completely chopped it out because you were going to be able to pick those two I'm like the knight Imani Christ that's how I feel this is how I feel every time I draft with CR because you pick you can count on me and I was like no one's going to pick that I got that one easy and then CR's like I thought I was going to get O Brother in this round so I'm going to do a little bit of and I was just making sure that I was right about something which is that shit yeah Perfect Storm was nominated for some Oscars.

56:10Thank God. Thank God. I should have been nominated. I did not even put it on my list because if anyone but you got it, I was going to be... Yes, do it! Come on! I feel like now I've lost touch with the actual monologue where it's just about... It's Diane Lane's letter to Mark Wahlberg as he gets killed. By the gigantic wave at the end. By the gigantic wave. She's like, Bobby, you and me, a fresh start, two curtains up in this little pattern. Really strong stuff. The denim cutoff shorts as you were saying that. This movie rocks. Clooney, Wahlberg. What? Wait, you're picking this as your Oscar nomination?

56:48Yeah, sound editing. Diane Lane is probably your deepest bag. That is... Nothing but respect for that. She's also up in the crow's nest just crushing PBRs in Narragansett. Your dream. Your dream. I don't think Narragansett was around the beer at that time. Was it? I don't think so. Narragansett? Don't they drink that in Jaws? I don't think so but maybe they do I actually think that they probably do Narragansett Beer I don't think they just invented Narragansett Beer in like 2003 You think it's like a fake 1890 in Cranston, Rhode Island You think Diane Lane's his deepest bag and not the sea? As a mess It was also nominated for Best Visual Effects Yeah, so double Oscar nominee And honestly, in terms of my heart I've never understood this movie Why not?

57:41It is such a fucking bummer. Like a ridiculous bummer of all bummers. When I seen this, I did not know that they were going to die. Yeah. And then I got to watch his dumb ass be in the water at the end of the movie. Like, just, I'm like, so I'm wondering like what's going to happen, right? His stupid ass is floating around in the water at the end of the movie. Yeah. Doing the whole thing. I'm like, oh, so they just, they fucking drowned? They died? Yeah. And I still can't make my peace with it. Like why? What was the point of me watching? Fishing. They had to get the good tuna out there in the cold water.

58:14I get it. I watched it. I've tried. They had a black guy with them? Yeah. This nigga got fucked over for no reason. You guys can laugh at that. It's okay. They all signed up with the gaffes. I get it. But that's the type of shit that you watch that and you go, nah, if it's three white boys and me going out, I'm not going. I'm not going fishing. There was only one boat, though. I get it. But I've tried. Because they said, I remember somebody saying that this movie was like. It's based on a real story. Right. But it was going to be like, it was epic, like Titanic or something like that. I went out to see.

58:48It was Titanic for dudes. Yeah. Okay, cool. Guys being dudes on it. Like it's Glenberry Glen Ross on a boat, but dumber. Titanic's not Titanic for dudes. I think Titanic's Titanic for everybody. But for dudes who love deep sea fishing, this is Titanic. How do you think you would do on a sword boat? I'll never find out. I'm not like a big boat guy, honestly.

59:09I'm going to draft a movie do you have anything else left to say about Perfect Storm? I think I've said it all I've drafted it like 15 times in original I'm taking Unbreakable which is what I thought you were going to take and I guess there's an original run going here and I rewatched this movie last night this movie is amazing this movie looks amazing obviously M. Night Shyamalan immediately after The Sixth Sense follows this up with uh an original story that has deep roots in comic book storytelling i forgot about this whole the structure but no just the whole um like explanation the title cards in the beginning of the movie about comic books and comic book collecting and storytelling um but just a fascinating movie like one of bruce willis's best performances easily one of sam jackson's best performances he's amazing as glass i'd forgotten how like chilling that opening sequence is when Glass is born and his brother is like holding him and Eamon Walker comes in who was on Oz at the time and I was like this is probably the next great American actor.

1:00:09I don't know what the hell happened to Eamon Walker. I don't even think he's American. Is he American? Eamon Walker was like your Boyd Holberg stock. He was. I was like I truly If you watch him in Oz because he was the leader of the Muslims right? He was. He was powerful. Super powerful. This is my second record podcast. I don't understand why he's not a huge famous actor. I can't believe it. We're only Tuesday. On the ringer, while we stay away from Oz. Oz is a very impressive television show. I loved it. Bill would start like a dedicated Oz feed tomorrow. Bill and I were talking about a completely different show on Prestige yesterday and he's like, let's talk about Oz for a second.

1:00:42I think Oz might be one of the first things that Bill and I connected on because we had like, I visited the set of Oz when I was in high school as well. That's so fucking weird. Something that my uncle won. You did what? I visited the set of Oz. You did what? You just go there, you see some guy-on-guy assault. We didn't... There was no, like, chillinger crucifying anybody on the day I visited it. But it was like every other episode. Yeah, it was. Yeah. Oh, my God. Emerald City, I'll never forget it. I saw it in person. Okay, that's my pick. Unbreakable. I have a super hot take that no one in the world agrees with.

1:01:15About Unbreakable? Yeah. After all of these years, it's his best movie to me. Oh. Okay, so no. Do you think Trappist? So it's his best movie. I'll tell you why. The power of Josh. If you go back and you watch The Sixth Sense, The Sixth Sense is like. Don't take that. It's a diamond. It is. At the same time, from start to finish, from start to finish, Unbreakable is a superior movie. It tells, to me, a more brooding. The script is tighter. The character development is more direct. and I think whereas the twist at the end of Sixth Sense is all time movie stuff the twist at the end of Unbreakable just to me solidifies the entire mythology of the movie it's operatic high drama when you watch it now it's a really good take I don't buy it but I don't agree but I expect it we've also heard you make this take about science like I feel like you make the claim that a lot of Shyamalan movies are his best science is his best yeah people are allowed to change do you guys like that happening?

1:02:15no with the trees? Tell you what, it's gotten better over the years. When I first saw it, I didn't get it, but I watched it maybe like three or four months ago. I probably saw Unbreakable in the theater seven to eight times. It's extremely good. It was a craze. An absolute craze. Seven to eight times? Yeah. What movie have you seen the most? Revenge of the Sith. How many times? In the movie theater. No idea. Couldn't possibly tell you. Couldn't possibly tell you. Well, Mallory, you can tell us your next pick. Nope. Rob. Sorry, Rob. Don't take the movies that I want to take. The movie I'm going to take is Erin Brockovich.

1:02:50I'm going to get my inner girl boss on a little bit. Oh, Jesus. Why not your inner boss? You really have arrived with a very particular energy today. She's not really a girl boss until the end of the year. They won't let her be a girl boss. But once she starts shouting down lawyers, I think we've entered the zone. What category, Rob? I'm going to take it in Blockbuster, which feels a little flimsy to me at this point. I love how obsessed Soderbergh is with process like we talked about with traffic what makes this movie great to me is the same thing that makes Ocean's Loving great which is like deep process, obsession with process, but also incredible charisma, like you are in the well with Julia Roberts pulling up dead frogs and shit and it's like who would you rather spend a movie with than that in my opinion, so I feel great taking this off the board I don't understand what's going on with biker, babysitter, fairy godmother Aaron Eckhart in this movie There's a lot of bandana work.

1:03:43I think it's all perfect. If I go to Turkey and get a hair transplant, I'm coming back with the Eckhart from this movie. Yeah, the bandana. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no. You can pull it off. Did we not think that Aaron Eckhart was going to be the biggest thing in the whole world? He is magnetic in this movie. He had a couple of starts and stops, though, because it was this, and then he was a little down for a while, and then... What's the one where him and Swank go to the core of the earth? I believe it's called the core. That movie scared me. The core of the stars and stops. It was in the company of men.

1:04:10you may recall Neil of the Year is in the company of men maybe Neil of the Year will come up again three movies a month which one is in the company of men is that also Toby Topher Grace no no that's him and Matt in the company in the company is a banger to me I don't care what you no that's your friends and neighbors before it was a TV show right hmm Rob do you have another pick I want to before we go I want to shout out another environmental movie you guys ever see 1998's A Civil Action of course yeah of course that's kind of the end of the super respectable John Travolta run and then he goes off and makes several insane movies in a row I only know about this because on a text chamber we were talking about Swordfish and Swordfish was when Travolta was fully deranged and there's also a fully deranged Travolta movie in this year there sure is

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1:05:28refresh your good vibes. I know what I'm doing here. There are three movies that I would really like to be able to pick here. I can only pick two of them. I feel pretty confident Rob is going to take the one I'm not picking. And I think Rob's draft is really good. So I'm a little bit bummed about that. But I have to follow my heart. I'm about to pick two. And this is not hyperbole. Two of my ten favorite movies ever. Legitimately. So I just have to do it. Two of your ten favorite movies ever. Yeah. Wow. I guess you got two of your ten favorite movies in the end of the second year. When I say them, you guys are going to be like, yeah, I know that is true about you.

1:06:00You're not going to be surprised by what I picked. You definitely won't. be um okay in original so relieved to pick an original this was really stressing me out okay um a lot of things were happening late in high school in young men's basements yeah what a lot of things were happening in young men's basements in Meisterstown Maryland were you there I was okay you know some okay the parents are upstairs but like sure it's time for a blowjob and then watch it snatch watch it snatch i am taking snatch as my original

1:06:47when i think when i think back so were these happening at the same time often sequenced yeah often sequenced i mean which comes first phrasing which comes first I kind of want to explore what you're talking about but also really do not well you know it's a safe space today among friends and I'm being sincere when I think back to late high school I think about watching Snatch and my high school boyfriend's basement and all the other things that we were doing down there it's true I will be taking that original I will not be naming him either I will be going with the Chris Ryan rule and I will not be naming him do you think he married Chris's then rule?

1:07:24are you not good about invoking this and your dad's name in like pretty quick succession. Totally fine. Totally fine about it. They're totally fine. We got, I bet the thing is like we got the picture without it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I bet. I love Snatch. I've seen this movie a thousand times. I think that picked Lockstack when we did that draft. Like I just, I love. You're a guy rich girl. Yeah, I just love these movies. They're endlessly entertaining to me. I love that you're going to try and talk about this movie now as if that's specific. You like, you like thugs? this is like weirdly my favorite Brad Pitt performance ever not actually maybe but I just love it this movie is sensational like the bullet tooth Tony you know the fact that it says replica down the side of your gun and mine says desert eagle we were just walking around in high school quoting this movie to each other endlessly it has like a real place in my heart I rewatched it recently, still fucking holds up you know what Mal, I really wanted this movie but in so many ways I thought you were going to take it 100 out of 100 % chance I was getting it.

1:08:27And I am shocked. I thought for sure one of you was going to take it in this round. I thought for sure. I almost took it. Yeah, okay. My next pick, and this is one that I don't think anyone will be, it's a fucking great movie. You kind of ruined it forever for me. I won't apologize. Even Hans Daly's never watching it again. I'm sorry. That was funny. Thank you, darling. You're welcome. For my third pick, here on the turn, I will be taking, as recently discussed, on a memorable episode of Rewatchables, my favorite comedy ever. Best in show. I fucking loved this movie. This I thought was going to be your first pick.

1:08:56That's where I thought you were going. I don't know why my strategy kind of changed radically when I got the number one pick. If I had been late in the first round, I probably would have taken this in the first round. So the fact that I have the opportunity to take it here is a real delight to me. This movie, I have a vivid memory of watching this with my dad for the first time. He still quotes Harlem Pepper to me all the time. Nothing makes me laugh. Nothing is like a sure bet to make me crack up. like rib agony laughter than watching Cookie try to walk after she twists her knee. It's just the best.

1:09:30I love Christopher Guest and this is my favorite Christopher Guest movie so I'm thrilled taking that in comedy. I think it's going to be a debacle for me when we get to the rest of my picks though. Well your first three picks are bangers. Your first three picks are bangers and you certainly won the anecdotal Olympics. The breakout is the social breakout is set I think. Yes. Oh man. We have one hour to complete this draft. Can we do it with all of these picks? I believe that we can. Rob, you are the first person. Don't suppose we have time for a bathroom break. I think people can get up and go and come back if they need to.

1:10:01Wow, that's actually quite fascinating. We've never done that before, but I actually would support it. I wouldn't dare. Well, I'm going to do it after I pick. It's kind of like getting up for the bathroom when you're seeing a movie. I also wouldn't dare. Oh, you mean while people are... I didn't have to clean the bathroom. Well, you said you had a mop when people vomited. you know it's that much of a reach thanks for your support okay Rob are you flummoxed by these last two picks I'm a little flummoxed just by some of the relative scarcity in some of these categories or whether to go with the movie I like more or the category I need more I'm gonna go with American Psycho and I'm gonna take it in drama wow okay is that a drama well it's become a comedy it definitely is a comedy and is a thriller I'm not sure that you can qualify as a drama I'll take it in thriller that's no problem Is there any disagreement there?

1:10:48I mean, I think it's a dark comedy. I'm okay with that. If you wanted to take it there. It's a drama of the soul, you know? It's a man's long night. I agree with Rob. I think it's cross-category. One of the greatest meme movies. I actually don't think that it's comedy. It's very purposefully designed as a satire. So I would argue it's not a drama. Absolutely fair. The best Brett Easton Ellis, no? Adaptation? Adaptation. I enjoy Rules of Attraction. Rules of Attraction. This clears it. No, this is not one. I think this is the best one. Yeah. Wait, so where did you take this? Is Luca going to remake this?

1:11:20He says so. He says so, yeah. I don't know if that's necessary. This is really good. It's not exactly the book, but it's pretty, it gets a lot of what is so funny and so smart about the book. And lives on as a reference point and a life of its own. Bale is unreal. I think riffs on the things in the, like sands down some edges from the book, heightens some other things, takes the rodents out of it. There's some stuff that just needed to be out if you're going to put this on screen. Okay, that's a good pick. that puts me in an interesting spot. Shout out to Hugo Lewis. Shout out to Chainsaws. I didn't sing the Terrier song from Best in Show.

1:11:55But, you know, this really is a musical draft. Yeah, absolutely. The Terrier song. In the year 2000, we started off on a musical. Sweet little winky. I will take a film that was referenced earlier. Another movie that I was like, I can't believe this is happening that maybe at a time seemed great. Then maybe it was like a little problematic, but I think it's circled back to being amazing, which is High Fidelity, which is an amazing Americanization of an English novel about what it's like to work in a record store and what it means to be defined by your stuff. I'm sorry, Joanna, you're looking at me like I just killed something.

1:12:29No, no, no, no. This is the origin story of Joanna. The book was better Robinson. Like I remember when I read the Hornby book and I was like - I mean, most Hornby books. Yeah. I don't even disagree. Yeah. The two most important Robs in the world though, Rob Mahoney and this Rob. We got to stick up for each other. He's kind of a douchebag sometimes, but that's also kind of the point. I think he has some redeemable quality. That character is me. Van, you're kind of a douchebag sometimes. It's true. Don't do that to yourself. I swear. When I saw that movie, I was like, that, for all of the flaws, that character is me.

1:13:06For the white boy deal, I connected so much to that character. and still, like, I make no apologies about it. Like, a lot of the stuff that he does in that movie, I would do. I don't think I've realized, though, like, how smart the movie is about what a dipshit Rob is. When I was a teenager, I just didn't really, I got it in the book. And the movie, I think, because they kind of, like, trick you with the Cusack casting. Because Cusack is usually this person that you're like, I'm so emotionally with the Say Anything guy. Even if he's a little crazy, I'm with him. but he's so um lost in the sauce misplaced righteous indignation thinks he knows everything knows nothing has everybody on his side so they know the whole story yep but him selling beta band to people in stores insane that is one of the great flexes and i mean you're you're you worked in record stores i did no no love for this movie i love this film i i think i actually am more partial to the book the book is better the book is better but it was like this was also like a very cool like late period 90s like it almost had like a lot of its roots in the 90s but to see a lot of the chicago indie rock scene in this film is a real real hoot would you reconsider your rob rankings if i submitted uh yeah zoe kravitz's rob from the great hulu adaptation of you know i feel about zoe that season was so good i enjoyed it a lot i mean wonderfully connected to the movie.

1:14:31It's one of the most fantastic cancels. I thought all the changes they made made sense. I thought it was blissfully contemporary in the way they went about it. All the performances were great. I don't know what happened. I do not know why they canceled that. That was like one of those COVID things where something got lost in it. And it had her. They had a legitimate movie person star and they didn't continue to do the show. It was just an odd decision. I'm taking this movie in comedy, by the way, Jack. I love, I like, really love that TV show. Yeah. Yeah. It was very good. Divine Joy Randolph dancing to Come on Eileen.

1:15:09Yeah. Just so good. Beautiful stuff. Okay. CR, you've got a pick. In Blockbuster, I'll take Castaway. Had to do it. Yeah. You know, at the time, I think I saw this and I was like, that was pretty cool, but this is one of the TNT ones for me. Yeah. It's like over the years, just be like oh cool this 20 minute section that 20 minute section incredible ending the the set pieces are amazing um and it's an incredible hanks run here and this is how many people could carry this film you know i think it's the best plane crash sequence in a movie yeah i think how about the most meaningful relationship we've ever seen between two figures on screen him and Wilson correct I fucking when Wilson how many basements do you have I mean I can't I can't it's very emotional watching Wilson bob away his feet it was probably emotional for him too he had to let go of Wilson to be free though man Wilson was the last thing to connect him to the island painful you know what the other scene that jumped out to me when I watched it last year was when he tries to swim out oh I thought you were going to say lancing the tooth with the was it all the FedEx Bon Con.

1:16:20That didn't bother me. That didn't bother me at all. Okay. Joanna. I'm going to run it. This is really tough because Blockbuster's getting quite spindly.

1:16:35So I think, I mean, I don't mean to be too on brand for our podcast, but I think I'll just take X-Men off the board. Interesting. It is an incredibly important comic book movie. this is Patrick Stewart Ian McKellen the origin of Hugh Jackman as Wolverine a role he is still playing to this day is that right okay vibranium is what Black Panther but which is stronger Amanda what do you think vibranium or adamantium I have no idea it's a debate for the ages it's okay that you don't have the answer hopefully we'll be able to talk about this for roughly the next 10 years I'm yeah very excited This is where a young Kevin Feige, who was working as an assistant for Lauren Shula Donner, got his start and his connection to the Marvel world.

1:17:26So this is the origin story of Kevin Feige in Marvel Studios. And it's, you know, Marzen's a great, you know, a great Cyclops. The jawline. I was just talking to somebody about who the next Cyclops should be. I do, I want to have a huge... Well, Amanda's boy is like firmly rumored. Which one? Harris. Which one? The Lordy? Harris. Harris Dickinson? oh really a lot of rumors about that some Patrick Schwarzenegger rumors I've seen the Schwarzenegger that's who it was that's who it was he was born to be Schwarzenegger his life away to the Beatles he can't do both yeah I don't think I love this movie that came out I was so happy after 10 years of reading Wizard and dream casting in my mind and them getting Ian McKellen and Patrick Stewart I was like this is crazy how good this is and I didn't even really know who Hugh Jackman was and he obviously was fantastic Chris X-Men is off the board So Chris, sorry, you can't take another Bryan Singer film.

1:18:18I know, devastating for you. Tough one for you. Van, you're up. You really peaked with Valkyrie anyway. So I was going to take...

1:18:28I was going to take X-Men. Blockbuster is anything over 100 domestic, right? Yep, correct. So I'll take Remember the Titans. That's what I almost took. Yeah. Delete. Not too much to talk about. very affecting movie. I was shamed outside of City Place Theater, Baton Rouge. Me and Gino went to see Meet the Parents and when I left we saw some of his friends, his frat brothers and they was like, man, y 'all didn't see Remember the Titans? And we was like, nah, we went to see Meet the Parents and they made us feel less blind. And you were, to be fair. For that night. Because we was like, damn, we was like, man, you know, can you deal with this?

1:19:15You know what I mean? They treated you like the black guy in a perfect storm. Right. That guy got drowned. But yeah, so remember the Titans. Not much to say about the movie. Great movie. Great film. Yeah, wonderful movie. So yeah. Wow, blockbuster run here. Incredible musical sequence with Ryan Gosling and yeah. A lot of young stars in it. A lot of young stars that we would hear from years to come. Okay, blockbusters are flying fast. Amanda, you've got two picks here. I do. It's not going to be a perfect game for me, but I am going to go three for three in original. I will be taking center stage.

1:19:51You are entirely yourself today. Are you kidding? One of the great dance films. I have to say, I didn't know what was going to happen if any of these three went to someone else. Nobody would have dared. Well, you mentioned center stage at a sleepover. Right. Or check on the room. I've seen it to a sleepover. And the temperature drops. and you were like, no. Okay, so there were two. It's not Julia Stiles. That's Save the Last Dance. No, no, no, no, no. But there were two ballet movies. Yeah. One was The Company and then the other one was Center Stage. Right. One was with Neve Campbell. That was The Company, right?

1:20:26This is Zoe Saldana. This is Zoe Saldana. Oh, yeah. Now he's going to. Okay, that's fine. Oh, great. Oh, congratulations. Amanda, you've got another pick, I think. Thank you. Yeah, I do. So this one, Oscar nominee is actually also getting pretty thin because so many of the Oscar nominees have gone in other categories. Rob took my number one pick, of course, because he's, you know, undefeated. You don't know how to kill you. Yeah, at ruining, I was going to take Aaron Brethovich. Man. So I'm going to do Wonder Boys. Oh! Oh! Right? A forgotten big deal movie. A forgotten movie. I love it. I love it.

1:21:06I love it. I love it. Yeah, I think so. And, you know, Michael Douglas, obviously. Young Katie Holmes. Which character you said? Oscar? Yeah, Oscar nominee. And by the way, do you know what Oscar it won? Wonder Boys? Yeah. I'm pointing this right at you. It won original song written by Bob Dylan. Bobby D. Bobby D. Yeah, this is like a, I guess they still do make like, you know, East Coast academic, you know, in trouble movies because they're making one Luca Guadagnino coming in the fall. um but yeah for an example uh great picks but it seemed like i saw this at the right age you know like if i saw this now had you read the book before no it's a michael shaman book right yeah yeah um i was impressed i another like oh i think i'm very grown up and i'm a and i'm a grown up and i'm watching like grown-up movies matters of the heart and such with with real this book was like pre um like do a digital highlight on your kindle and you know still the analog obviously you know turning over a lot of pages like these are profound thoughts yeah i need to remember now i'm too old and brain dead to actually recall but yeah because there was a lot of those yeah in this tome uh excellent robe goals in this movie the fluffy pink robe oh yeah come on michael douglas wears for most of the movie i mean his life it's not actually what i want it gets a little messy but uh it does you know you'd like to i was at the age where i was like oh is that what adults can do with their lives.

1:22:34If I ace all my AP classes. And then you did. Fives only. Fives only. And then you did. Fives only. Bam, we're going back to you now, man. So because I... I didn't get to go to the basement, but you know, I should get fives. Because I should have seen it that night and comedy is about to get very contracted. It's not that many comedies off the board. I'm going to take Meet the Parents. This is a great movie. Yeah. I'm going to take Meet the Parents. Oh, fuck. I missed Wonder Boys. You did. We had a great time. We all had a great time talking about it. It's great. Any comments? I just watched it yesterday.

1:23:09It's a wonderful film. It's so good. Shit. Yeah. You know what's a great idea for a movie? Sorry to interrupt you, Van. When it's just like, this guy's having a bad weekend. Yeah. That's just a good idea for a movie. Exactly. And it's Michael Douglas. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'm sorry. I don't have much else to say about it. I was unprepared for how hysterical the film was going to be when I saw it. It was really funny. Yeah. You know, it was an era of great comedies that were aimed right for my demo. Milner's Fokker, Robert De Niro, career resurgence right there as a comedian coming off the heels of analyze this.

1:23:43But no, I love the movie. So big deal. Meet the parents. Easy. A lot of blockbuster getting super thin. Yeah, that was comedy. Yeah, that was that was one of the things. I have not taken a blockbuster, so I am concerned. Okay. I'm going to take a Blockbuster that no one will care to take didn't you already take yeah you already have a very true you can still take another Blockbuster I am going to take another Blockbuster that was the hell sticker if you did that to Mal alright okay Joanna you're up oh okay so this draft isn't going very well for me so I'm just going to be purely myself do it and say in comedy I would like State and Main yeah that's what I love yes if I couldn't get one Philip Sumer Hoffman movie this year I'll take the other so I love this movie.

1:24:29This movie is awesome. Really good movie. This was Mamet. What had he done like right around this time? Like is this after? The Winslow Boy. Yeah. But this is after Spanish Prisoner and stuff? Yeah. Talk about a good movie. Spanish Prisoner? Yeah. She loves a con. The language. I love con men movies. They don't make them enough. We've talked, I've talked about this before. I just talked to my guy Nick Cage about this. What about a con man who's having one bad weekend? Now they just make them like into girlbots Netflix. Yeah, like so you think they keep telling about the one on Apple a couple years ago.

1:25:08Sharper. That one was pretty good. Yeah. But, you know, you didn't like it? I think she's just concerned that I really need to go to the eye doctor. Now I can't see anything and it always concerns me. I just can't see anything. She was squinting afar and she's squinting near. I just haven't been to the eye doctor in like 14 years. Yeah. Oh, okay. Yeah, but like, are you afraid of it? So you haven't had your hair cut in 13 months and haven't been to the eye doctor in 14 years. Don't ask. I see it again. You can't see that screen. I support you on that one. It's fine. You can see that screen. She can brush and keep gloss and you'll be fine.

1:25:37She's beautiful and luminous. I can make out like hues. Can we do a fake pod taping where we bring in an optometrist to meet Mallory? Yeah. How do you watch the films? Not an issue of the basement. With passion and conviction. Their TV is really big. And two feet from the screen. It's sitting very close to our television. Okay, stay in Maine. great pick cr you're up i will take scream three in action horror thriller uh the one set in hollywood and one of the more delightful kind of like uh i think it's decisive entries into this fantastic franchise one of my favorite franchises um you've got patrick dempsey playing a hollywood cop you've got parker posey doing her amazing uh lampooning of uh scream queens just an awesome movie the whole like lance henriksen backstory and stuff 30 70s hollywood everything so scream three is an easy pick for me here all right i'm missing a few key categories and oscar nominee is getting very thin and so i'll take one of my favorite very favorite movies from this year a contender yeah yeah yeah um written and directed by rod lurie a sort of a reaction to the Lewinsky scandal about a woman who is put up for vice president that has or maybe doesn't have a salacious sexual basement snatch style history I was going to say if you didn't make the snatch comment you know incredibly memorable cast both Joan Allen and Jeff Bridges were nominated Jeff Bridges one of the all time great movie presidents I think in many ways Barack Obama watched this movie and watched how Jeff Bridges acted in this movie and absorbed some of those tendencies He's not such a dick.

1:27:22He has a dick. So you're saying Obama got his swag from a white man. Look at you. No, I didn't say that. That is what you said. Those are words that you put in my mouth. I said the phrase I used was absorb some of his tendencies. Fucking shark steak sandwich. I love this sandwich part. Fucking shark steak. This is a very smart and entertaining bit of ridiculousness. ridiculousness and if you accept it in that way and not as like an adequate representation of our politics i think it's a lot more fun also uh gary oldman who really did not like this movie because of the way that it was changed in in the editing process who also produced it yeah um is actually quite good in cooking as an awful southern senator christian slater is good in it it's funny that he was so like vocally unhappy about it given how amazing he's awesome yeah he's so good and obviously closely modeling on the like Strom Thurmond, Lindsey Graham style Southern right-leaning senator.

1:28:23Okay, Rob, you're up. You terrified me when you brought up Oscar nominee. There's really one Oscar nominee I want that's left on the board, and that's Dancer in the Dark. Oh. Holy shit. Wow, okay. Like, I don't know that there's another human being who could have starred in this movie. Some upbeat pics from you here. Yeah, Rob, you're in a cheerful mood today. But you know what? Half of this is a shiny musical. A real delightful time at the cinema. The rest of it, not so much. I kind of get why Bjork wasn't nominated for Best Actress for this movie because it's not very Academy-coded, but this is just one of the best performances of the year.

1:28:57Unbelievable movie. And I'm especially glad to have it because I think the rest of the Oscar nominees are pretty bleak. Unless you want The Emperor's New Groove, which I support any of you who do. Don't knock it. It might be the worst-looking Disney movie I've ever seen. A lot of younger people vote on these drafts and they love Kronk. So you're just new groups. You're just whipping votes? Kronk and Hizma? Yeah. Oh, do you think that's what mine? Do you think I'm pandering to the younger demographic with state and Maine, Rob? I thought Billy Allen, you're going straight for the ballet craft. I don't know if ever his new group is going to get picked, but if anybody is interested in Disney history, the development and production of that movie is really interesting.

1:29:33Oh, the way it was a completely different movie. It's completely changed from being like an Aztec-inspired kind of mega epic and turned into a goofy comedy. Anyhow, Mallory, you've got two picks. Okay. I'm like afraid that something's wrong with this movie and I don't know that. And that's why it's still here. So let me know. Did you watch it in Lad's Basement? That's my question. That's actually a good pod. In a fashion. That's a good pod. Lad's Basement. Lad's Basement. I mean, to be fair, that's most pods. You could rate the movies by duration. That's most pods. enthusiasm I thought this was going to go really high first two rounds this is a classic normally I'm like I'm so elated to have it and I am but I'm also like what am I missing here?

1:30:26how is this still here? I will be selecting with joy in my heart and also terror in my heart I will be picking my action horror thriller movie here I'm taking Battle Royale why is that still here? What am I missing? Nothing. Okay, I thought this was going to go in the first two rounds. The reason why it's there is because I fucking forgot. Okay. This movie's not only incredible and obviously deeply harrowing and stylistically inventive and memorable, haunting, it's so influential on the pop culture that came in its wake. Go Squid Game about this movie. Mallory, this is a great draft. Squid Game.

1:31:00Hunger Games. Like, we don't have a lot of these dystopian society has fallen. I totally fucking forgot about it. So this movie was actually, as far as I know, never theatrically released in the United States. Rob and I did talk about this and a handful of others. And so anytime a film does have a U.S. distribution, we go with that date. If a movie doesn't come out in this country, we have to go with the year that it is released, which is 2000. It probably didn't really make its way over to the States. It was also banned in many countries. I mean, I saw this way later than 2000. This was considered like a really kind of a very rare case of 21st century.

1:31:33this is too depraved for the public kind of outcry that you found a lot more in the 60s and 70s. So there was a point in my life where I was playing Marvel versus Capcom 2 competitively. That's a show. You were taking AP tests and we were playing. Okay. I know we're on the clock. So when you say you're playing it competitively, can you just set the scene for me? I was traveling around to different cities. Okay, but so where are the tournaments held? There's Texas Showdown in Texas. No, no, no, but like in a... Houston. Hotel ballroom. No, no, in an arcade. It's an arcade. It's an arcade game, so it's in an arcade.

1:32:12The Astrodome. It's in an arcade. Go down to New Orleans, go to different places. I was watching. There's like all kinds of hierarchy in the video game world and all that. And after one of the tournaments, somebody put on this fucking movie because this movie is very after a video game tournament coded. I watched it. and I was fucking blown away by Battle Royale. Cool. Was this before or after you were a professional pool player? It wasn't professional. Well. Okay. But it actually leads right into that. Is that my pro? Okay. It goes, the obsessions, they keep going. It's right after pool, Marvel vs.

1:32:47Capcom 2. Playing competitively. You really are Forrest Gump in so many ways. Mallory, you have another thing. Okay. I'm making a decision to kind of punt on Blockbuster, which I assume I will deeply regret later, but I just, I'm going, there's a movie here that I'm excited to get to take. So I'm taking my drama now. I know you love this movie. I feel sure a lot of us love this movie. Here's some things I love. Spending time with you guys. Love stories. Sports stories. In the passage of time, I'm taking love and basketball. I knew that you white motherfuckers weren't going to take that movie. I was so sure.

1:33:30no way I'm sorry if I would have thought that there was any chance you want to fucking draft if I would have thought that there's any chance that that movie would be drafted I would have taken it I'm feeling good crazy draft draft yeah like if I would have thought this is a really good draft this is a really good draft I would have took Love and Basketball I'm sorry I feel bad this is like the thing I had two things and I was like could I three things could I possibly do it to another person Almost Famous with You Bring It On with You yeah and Love and Basketball with Sean I cannot believe You, I think, we can survive.

1:34:02This was going off the board next if you didn't pick it. I know. It's a little disrespectful that it's the fifth round. Now my draft is going to get really weird. I can't wait. That's a tough beat for me. I'm sorry, buddy. Great movie. Great fucking movie. Gina Prince, by the way. It's an amazing film. Okay, Rob. I'm going to go with a drama. I'm going to take the Taiwanese masterpiece, I.E. also next to my list this is fascinating it's just like it's like he's like a scanner he's just like reading your maquins and blowing your brain up well that's two in a row that were like right that were anyway well if you know how to talk about this movie on a podcast I encourage it because if I talk about what this movie is about it seems very small if I try to tell you how it makes you feel I'm gonna sound like I'm trying to convert you to a cult and I fucking am mostly I want everyone to watch this movie it is like I just think it captures the enormity of everyday life in a way that basically nothing else does.

1:35:03And the idea of like, what if we made a movie that made regular life feel like the most important thing in the world? Shouldn't be as revolutionary as it is, but then you watch this and you're like, holy shit, this is revolutionary. It's a wonderful pick. Okay. I need drama, thriller, action, horror, and wild card. So in drama, I will take... My Friend James Gray's The Yards, starring Mark Wahlberg, Joaquin Phoenix, Charlize Theron, Faye Dunaway, Ellen Burson, and James Caan. What a cast. This is a very clear homage to a certain kind of gritty, hard-bitten 70s crime thriller that is basically the defining notion of my personality.

1:35:49Extremely normal thing to say. This film, co-written with Matt Reeves, Gray's friend. Yeah, I've heard of him. And now the arbiter of the Batman. One of the Batman. One of the Batman, for now. We'll see what happens. This is one of the great Wahlberg performances. Really focused and engaged Wahlberg. Not manic I'm half trying Wahlberg. And Joaquin is outrageously good as Willy Gutierrez. This is a beautiful film. The way that it's shot is absolutely amazing. Harrison B.B. Cinematography. And got stuck in the Harvey Weinstein zone and was a big bomb. And was a$25 million movie that made less than a million dollars.

1:36:27but if you've never seen this movie, highly encourage you to check it out. It's excellent. Can I ask you a procedural question about it? The movie goes to shit when Joaquin is like at the yard and trying to bribe the security guy or whatever with Knicks tickets. Presumably like 2019 and then Knicks tickets. Security guard's like, no, that's not good enough. There's a 2025 Knicks ticket for the playoffs. Avoid the whole movie. The tough thing about that, I mean literally in the movie, is that obviously they had just gone to the NBA they find it. Yeah, they went to the finals. So like, it actually isn't plausible.

1:36:59Yeah. But when James was writing the movie, you had to be like, we were kind of low in 1997. Yeah. We were not the same team that we were in 1994. This is why it's really hard to make sports references and then have them stick throughout the time. It really is. In 2025, yeah. I mean, you could, I think you could like buy Tesla for two front courtside next tickets at this point, right? No? Okay. A Tesla or all of them? The whole company, I think. In comedy, I'm going to pick a movie that I think we should almost get an award. Sometimes I've, I've accidentally seen this 20 times. The replacements.

1:37:34Keon Reeves sports comedy with Gene Hackman. Chris Iphans is incredible in this movie. This is a fuck. Yeah, dude. This is the, this is absolutely, because you can't have love in basketball. You flip to fuck. Yeah, dude. I'm fucking pissed.

1:37:51But this is the, I'm sure one day I was walking down the street. and it was too hot and I was like, you know, I'm just going to go to the movies and what's playing and I saw The Replacements that day and then I have seen it like in some part like countless other times on cable television and it's a really, really solid sports comedy. Yeah. Okay, Joanna, you're up. I'll just keep it brief and I'll say I'm picking a movie that I don't think is great but I think was Indelible of the Year which is The Cell in action thriller. No. Hell yeah. No, I should have known because you're a fall head. Yeah, the fall head.

1:38:24Tarsim. Tarsim Singh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't understand it. No! You don't have to understand it. You just have to let the visuals take. It's visuals. This was my all-time J-Lo time, man. Yeah. Yeah. Everything. What? What? I would say her performance leaves a little something to be desired. But D 'Onofrio makes up for it. He does. This was J-Lo time. She was very powerful. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Really good pick, and you just kind of fucked up what I thought my board was going to be. So well done by you. Van you're up I'm gonna take now I'm just drafting from the heart the Patriot Jesus Christ Mel Gibson yes in what category I'm taking problematic faves no problematic faves I can't remember what category you took American Beauty last draft I love American Beauty I don't understand you yes Basie and Gibson the Patriot I fucking love this movie wait is it is it So it's Revolutionary War, right?

1:39:23No, action. Action. I'm taking it in action. In action. Yeah, that's good. It's a great Jason Isaacs performance. Oh, yeah. Great Jason Isaacs performance. I actually once talked to Jason Isaacs at the gym about it. He was at the gym. So I know we're on a clock, but is that what you lead with when you see Jason Isaacs at the gym? Yeah, he was very nonplussed that I did that. But in the future, it would be Tim Ratliff? But this was years ago. But yeah, Tim Ratliff. We have 15 picks to make in 25 minutes. He just said he was talking to Jason Isaacs at the gym about the Patriot. That's journalism.

1:39:54You got to ask one follow-up. Amanda, you have two picks. I do, and I'm doing exactly what I want. In Action Horror Thriller, I will be taking the 2000 Classic and Carmen Diaz's best recorded performance, Charlie's Angels. This is the most Amanda board I've ever seen in my life. I'm in awe right now. This is the funniest she's ever been. When she hears the Bird Cop song and she's like, they're in Carmel. It was very important to me. Did we let you make seven picks in a row? Would you basically have this roster? I told you. Yeah. No, because there are a couple. No, I wanted American Psycho in this and I wanted Charlie's Angels in Blockbuster.

1:40:30But it's okay because I have an amazing backup Blockbuster, which is, of course, one of Sandra Bullock's greatest recorded performances, Miss Congeniality. Speaking of TNT before baseball games. What were you guys like? I don't know what you were doing in 2000. I was at the cinema watching people be funny and also be undercover for the FBI. Candice Bergen thank you for your service okay excellent picks Van you have another pick just remarkable stuff Boiler Room fuck off come on dude great one god damn it what category in drama oh yeah drama I'll take Boiler Room fucking A over the top I'm liquid I'm liquid Ben Affleck rivaling Rivaling Alec Baldwin's one scene heater in Glengarry Glen Ross Let's Almost Take the temperature down just a little bit I'm just saying Comes in fucks leaves Into the basement Out Yep Alright I like this movie against my own better judgment Yeah So Alright Joanna For drama I'll take Ghost Dog Oh shit God damn I was really banking on that one I gotta admit.

1:41:48Oh, Lordy. I didn't know that. It came out in 2000. Way in a samurai. Yeah. Your man purse. March 3rd. Fuck. My life. God. Very good pick. Now, that's a vibes pick. You just got double shanked. I feel like I'm an Oz. Chris, you're also missing a drama and a wild card. What are you going with? I'm going to take in drama Christopher McQuarrie's The Way of the Gun. Sure. Oh, shit. Yeah. Yeah. Sounds right. Sounds right. I forgot about that movie. There's a very talky drama film. And there's some comedy, and then there's a lot of violence at the end. But if you thought his Reacher film was a grimy B movie, watch Ryan Phillippe kill dudes.

1:42:35Have y 'all considered Garbage Elmore Leonard? I feel like Way of the Gun is really good. That is something that we have completely lost to television these days, too. We just don't have movies that are like that. You do really like Ryan Phillippe. no I well you know when you really think it through when he he's a big birds fan I think that's that seems right and he was good in full intentions great what was Moushaw in courtside defense are you gonna revoke his card no I'm not getting into that okay he's a real I didn't give you any any grief about that I didn't give you any grief about anything I've been sending you like really thoughtful texts and you're like talk to me about the post season Do you want to tell us more about Jason Isaacs?

1:43:21I do want to tell my story. I'm saving for Midnight Boys. I'm taking a pick. I need to take an action horror thriller. I'm running out of credible titles, but there is one credible title that I quite enjoy left. It's called Pitch Black. I love Pitch Black. This is a banger of a movie. I love this movie. I am a known Vin Diesel hater, except in the instance of this movie and Boiler Room. You can make an argument for him and the original Fast and the Furious 2. This was when he was... I wouldn't make that argument. What about Private Ryan? He's solid in Private Ryan. In Pitch Black and Boiler Room in this, he is on his fucking wavelength.

1:43:56Pitch Black, very cool, kind of mid-budget sci-fi movie about a guy who's being transported to a prison that crash lands on like a dark planet and all the creatures that move in the dark. Starring the great Rodda Mitchell. Rodda Mitchell. Great Rodda Mitchell. Cole Hauser. Great information about menstruation for people watching this movie. Keith David in this movie. It's funny. So last night I was watching A Quiet Place, and I realized that A Quiet Place is a shadow reboot. It does. It's pitch black with sound. It kind of inverts it. And also the creatures don't look wholly dissimilar. Is that the same?

1:44:28Yeah. Very good point. Yeah. Okay. Next pick is Rob. I'm going to go straight to Wild Card. Straight to Wild Card? Well, I mean, I only have two picks left. What's the other category? Originals, my last category. I'm kind of like in a range of originals where it's like, there's a couple things I'm okay with. There's one wild card I would really like. You never broke a sweat in this draft. I'm scared. Some rounds I am Malcolm Washington in the Criterion Closet and I want to talk about the ways that our great artists are in conversation with each other. And some rounds I am John David Washington in the Criterion Closet going straight for that Jackie Chan box set.

1:45:02And I'm going to take Drunken Master 2 aka The Legend of the Drunken Master as it was released in the US in the year 2000. Don't at me. Maybe the best Kung Fu movie ever made. so uh wonderful pick but you did not go shanghai noon here just so i'm gonna skip past that it's in the box set but i'm probably not gonna watch it understood drunken master 2 is sick uh all right mallory you've got two picks to close out your draft you are presently missing wild card and blockbuster and a wild card yeah and then we will have six consecutive charlie's angels and I'm just congeniality away from you on Blockbuster.

1:45:39You did. Blockbuster is thin. There's one on the board that I could see working for you. There are actually two on the board for Blockbuster. And it's underrated. Undrafted Blockbusters, let's just say it, since you're about to pick. How the Grinch Stole Christmas, the number one movie of the year at 261 million, beloved Jim Carrey classic, directed by Ron Howard. Mission Impossible 2, widely considered the worst of the Mission Impossible movies, at least on this podcast. what women want yeah has gone undrafted thus far yep Nancy Meyers semi-classic and a huge hit the fifth highest grossing movie of the year for Van who loves Mel Gibson yes then we go all the way down to what no scary movie what lies beneath dinosaur where my dinosaur head's at Disney fans not a one of them here and then of course Nutty Professor 2 The Clumps I saw it in theaters and laughed Big Mama's House Chicken Run and Gone in 60 Seconds so where are you going Mal?

1:46:33I'll be taking my wild card. What? I'll be taking my wild card. I have two picks in a row. And just as a matter of principle, based on the quality of the movies, Sean just read, I need that to be my last pick. Chicken run is good, by the way. True, true. My wild card is a movie that I would say shook the Franklin Middle and Franklin High community. Are you sure it was this movie that did that? Some other things as well. Not Lad's Basement? I am taking Requiem for a dream as my wild card. This was like a seminal thing to watch when you were a young person. Pun intended. Did you recreate any of the sequences from the film in the basement?

1:47:13In Lot's basement. It's right there. No comment. Even I have a line. Even I have a line. So that's my wild card. I love that movie and saw it a lot when I was younger. What? What? What? How the fuck did you say it a lot? My favorite thing to do when I was like late in high school. I have no idea what's coming next. I have absolutely no idea. The wild card one. So, okay. That's my wild card. My blockbuster, which is my final pick. I'm only actually considering two things here. I'm considering because of my deep and abiding love for Harrison Ford. Yeah, obviously. And I am considering Mission Impossible 2 because while that is, I agree, easily the worst Mission Impossible movie.

1:47:54Maybe the most Mallory coded Mission Impossible movie. Also the one I have seen without question the most. Yeah. I watch it all the time. It is immensely entertaining, albeit quite poor. And Anthony Hopkins saying, what? Take a man to bed and lie to him? She's a woman. She has all the training she needs. It's just very memorable to me. I honestly, I don't think I've ever seen him say that. I was showing someone Fallout the other day and they were like, oh, Tom Cruise can't climb that cliff. I was like, canonically, he can climb cliffs. He can climb that cliff. Canonically. oh boy this is tough do i i kind of want to take mission impossible too should i take what lies beneath do mi2 i do love harrison ford so much but i don't like horror movies honestly i don't it's not really a horror movie it's more of a hitchcockian yeah domestic drama i think you should take mi2 since you've seen it a lot and can remember anthony hopkins i'm gonna do it that's my blockbuster let's fucking go great representation for john woo i appreciate it Rob you've got another pick you've got to take an original an original film I'm going to take but I'm a cheerleader an original okay damn that was 2000 2000 yeah that's a wow Joe for some reason I thought that was a little bit earlier did he just get you again yeah I'm sorry Joe wow you know some movies dare to ask isn't conversion therapy kind of gay yeah and they really follow through on that it is very weird seeing Natasha Lyonne play basic like normal everyday high school girl very very startling but funny sweet i love the like dollhousey zine aesthetic of that movie but i'm a cheerleader uh great pick i've got a pick i wouldn't say this has been my best draft so i'm just gotta gotta be really really true to who i was at this time and in wildcard i'll be selecting the 2000 documentary backstage chronicling the 1999 hard knock life tour featuring punch it in come on Jay-Z and Method Man and Red Man.

1:49:58I didn't know we could do documentaries. I didn't know that. In Wild Card, yeah. In Wild Card, they're available to you. Or an Oscar nominee. One could say this is a great drama. I tell you, it is. Backstage. Remember the Dame Kevin Lyle scene? Dame and Kevin Lyle scene. It's like one movie. Very well.

1:50:17This was the number one thing I was interested in when this came out. And this being like right post volume three. Yeah, if we got jackets, would they be Ringer jackets or Spotify jackets? They would be Rockefeller chains, obviously. This is after the Metham Red Blackout record. It is, yeah. This was a very good time in American music. Beanie Siegel on this tour. If you guys don't know. Ja Rule and Ja Rule was okay. Ja Rule, yeah. Dame Dash was pissed off because they got Def Jam jackets, and they were supposed to get, he wanted them to get Rockefeller jackets. Yeah. Crazy scene. Okay, who's next?

1:50:54CR is that me yeah last one if you're just going Jedi just blast shield down I'm picking road trip okay

1:51:06Todd Phillips fucking going pro Wreck-It-Meyer yeah Wreck-It-Meyer I want to give him that please what about Tom Green Tom Green was in this blast shield down were you not a Tom Green guy I wasn't a huge Tom Green guy but who watched the Tom Green documentary he made his your band Freddie got figured no he and Drew Barrymore yeah they got married they were in love I didn't even say Drew Barrymore's name when I can I just say it's cool you watch Road Trip and you can tell Todd Phillips like has something right it's like it's like it's like that little bit better than what that movie could have been I'm not even joking it's his best movie I think it says more about Todd Phillips than Road Trip but I'll take Road Trip Road Trip came out in 2000 when I enrolled at Ithaca College this film takes place at Ithaca and everyone was very intent on recreating as much of this movie as they possibly could when we were at Ithaca.

1:51:59Also, Amy Smart is like my Diane Keaton kind of at this era, you know? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Her run that she was on here. Outside Providence. Culminating with Crank. Oh, Crank. Rout race. Outside Providence. That Crank scene is crazy. Yeah. That's basement quality. When are we doing the Crank draft? That is basement quality. That's lads in basements. Yeah. Okay, Joanna. Now that you've been stymied multiple times with your final pick you are taking? I'm going to take a film that I specifically did not see in 2000 because it caused a divorce between one of my favorite actors and his cherished director.

1:52:35I can't believe you didn't take this. And it is The Beach. Wrong. Which I think has aged incredibly well. I watched it last year and I actually think it was considered a big flop for Leo, a huge rift for Ewan McGregor and Danny Boyle. but a great Alex Garland story and Tilda Swinton is fantastic in it and I think it actually really and they don't come back together until train spotting like T2 Judgment Day on McGregor but this kicks off Garland and Boyle this is also a case in my opinion of book is better than the movie I think the beach confused people it's that shit it's a crazy movie in a good way For him and where he was in his career, I think a lot of people went to the beach thinking it was going to be a different movie.

1:53:27Oh, 100%. Yeah. Yeah, I agree. It's a movie that I always loved in theory and never loved as much watching it. Yeah, watching it last year, I was like, this is, yeah, really worked for me. Okay, Van, you have got a wild card pick ahead of you.

1:53:45You can choose any film released in the year 2000 in the United States. Final Destination. I can't believe it went this long. I almost picked it. Final Destination. The thing is, it's FD2. As Chris and I chronicled on this podcast. Right. FD is phenomenal. Right. I'm not nagging your pick. Yeah. But you are. FD3. You're definitely nagging me. You're definitely nagging me. The original Final Destination is the one with the airplane. Yeah. But not the logs in the truck. No, that's FD2. That's true. I support you, Ben. So this is my deal. So this is my deal. When I watched Final Destination, I realized that I would never see another Final Destination movie ever.

1:54:25Ever, ever, ever, ever. I cannot watch a movie where death is the villain. It's just, it's too, it fucks with me too much. Okay? I can't do it. I was in the theater, freaked out. The only other movie I thought about taking here was Proof of Life. Another one. I've said everything I have to say about that film. It's a masterpiece. yeah I just I wanted to throw give flowers to some other filmmakers in this can you name the director of Final Destination is it like Jim Levitt no James Wong no oh who was it I think it is James Wong yeah James Wong cause he does one three three who did two John Ford yep wow yeah yeah I think that bruises the best one yeah okay Amanda you've got one more pick.

1:55:14This draft has one more pick.

1:55:19oh shit just just so you know you have to materially comment on this material to include the Leanne Rimes version of the song from the hit film Coyote Ugly. This is astonishing stuff for me. What else was I going to do? Are you kidding me? I don't know. I'm still there. Art is being made in Coyote Ugly too, okay? She's a songwriter. One of the worst movies I've ever seen. Wow. that's disrespectful to john goodman still here that's disrespectful to maria bellow who is hosing people down you know we learned you ever go to coyote ugly i did uh like in the middle of the afternoon uh and had some links yeah no i was not working there i did not get up on the bar but there was um i think that you all forgot what it was like to be 16 and going to the movies and I did not and I saw this in theaters and I had this on many running playlists for many years can't find the moonlight Leanne Rimes can sing yes yes can Piper Parabo sing so no no what women want for you no ultimately no I went with my heart it was funny yeah what women don't want what women don't want is uh when we rewatched it for the Nancy Meyers Hall of Fame I think you and I were both charmed by it.

1:56:50I enjoyed it. And it obviously, its success allowed Nancy to do a lot of other things, including Something's Gotta Give, which is a masterpiece. Why would I not take Coyote Ugly? Because it's a bad movie. It's a really bad movie. John Whitman, he works at the toll booth and then he gets all the toll operators, you know, to make the tolls go at the same time because she's nervous because she has stage fright. I will say the guy that she dates does not have the most charisma. Talking about the English guy? Yeah. Yeah. I mean. He's Australian. He's Australian. Yeah. Okay. It's going this bad. Sorry.

1:57:27This guy's already watching podcasts. Yeah. He's moved on. Yeah. Well, this has been exhaustive. Yeah. I thought we did a really good job today, man. That was fun. Declarative. Yeah. I think some people have significantly better draft boards than others. I mean, that's. Do you want to say on the record who you think those are? I don't want to say out loud what I think. I'm very impressed with Van's draft. Frequently busting out the Patriot in the fifth round. That was an interesting choice. Hey, fuck you guys. I'll tell you straight up right now. I love that movie. I got to be able to pick the movies I like, guys.

1:58:03You do. What exercise was Jason Isaacs doing when you spoke to him at the gym? He was on the basketball court. Oh. And he was over on the basketball court. And I walked over to him. I said, you were great in the Patriot. and he said, I'll never forget, he goes, I kill a child within the first 10 minutes of the movie. It's not hard to be evil when you do that. That's exactly what he said. Honestly, it's a great response. He was on the basketball court. He wasn't playing basketball. He was sitting on the bench. Maybe he had just played or something. I walked over. I told him that. He was like, I kill a kid in the first 10 minutes of the movie.

1:58:36So he's like, it's not hard to see. So you don't have the scout on Jason Isaacs? No, no, as far as I tell you what, though, the scouts on Englishmen on the basketball court way down. I can imagine. There's other people that have been out there terrible. What are you most surprised didn't get drafted? Well, we can, yeah, we can do a kind of quick honorable mentions. I mean, there's a handful of like really well-liked critically films that didn't go, like Chuck and Buck didn't go, Mike White's and Miguel Arteta's movie. Croupier, which is Clive Owen's breakthrough, didn't go. Wait, I just looked, okay, I looked that up while we were, oh, okay.

1:59:08Is it not eligible? I think it is. I almost picked the Croupier, but then I double-checked it and something I double checked said in 1998, but I guess that was maybe like UK. I think the US release is 2000. Anyway, I would have picked Clive Owen. That's a very good film. David Gordon Green's George Washington was this year. I like that movie quite a bit. Adam Sandler's Little Nicky, a little different from George Washington. Talk about a classic. Relevant film. A huge Tarantino, huge fan of that movie. Brian De Palma's Mission to Mars, undrafted. Mission to Mars is Coyote Ugly level movie, is how I feel about that.

1:59:38You mean Coyote Ugly level? and also a great Leanne Rimes theme song to Mission of Mars as well Neil LaBute's Nurse Betty which before it came out I was like this will probably be the coolest movie of all time and then it was not that it's kind of weird yeah but it was like a good move for a Zellweger huge hit the whole nine yards didn't talk about that I was actually expecting you to drop that that's a blind spot because I really do that's a cool movie Ineritu's Amores Peros was released in 2000 I think that's probably his best movie U-571 submarine movie I thought Chris I mean seafaring scary movie I was going to pick it earlier but I went with Meet the Fox instead Sam Raimi's The Gift which as I've noted is one of the very few movies ever made about ESP you never when did you know that before is that a thing you like to know on this podcast at a certain point talking about Sam Raimi probably to you but you remember saying that I do wow should we make more movies about ESP?

2:00:44what's that? very fond of all of you I'm glad you said everyone's so weird the last basement Laura was born what about 13 days? oh yeah I do like that movie it's not Patriot the Patriot is good I don't give a fuck what y 'all are talking about when's the last time y 'all seen the Patriot before? it's been a minute I genuinely do like the Patriots. What about Billy Bob Thornton's cut of All the Pretty Horses? Well, that's unavailable to us, as you know. Maybe just some of you. Gone in 60 Seconds? Undrafted? I can't believe it, honestly. A movie that's more cool than it is good. The trailer for that movie, you're like, this is going to be the best movie of all time, and then the movie itself is actually quite poor.

2:01:31The Family Man, starring Nicolas Cage, was this year. Vertical Limit with Chris O'Donnell and Bill Paxton. Yep. Apex Mountain of Apex Mountains. Chris O'Donnell. What happened? I think we know what happened. Yeah. He can't act. Finding Forrester. That's right. Wow. But he opens the pizza place. I think it's... I'm sorry to Chris O'Donnell. He's a terrible actor. It's just what it is. He was being shoved down our throat for eight years. And I was like, why is this guy in these movies? He was fucking everywhere. And also he was on, I think he used his NCI whatever money. What was the most recorded movie line from the year 2000?

2:02:11And was it Sean Connery saying, you're the man now, dog? You're the man now, dog. From Fighting Forrester. We all remember the soundboard famously on the, is it YTMND.com? Does anybody remember this? Yes. If you just went to that, is that even available to us right now? You'rethemannowdog.com? he was on that yeah this is the best I think you've ever been dot com one of the five best picture did not get selected Chocolat Chocolat yeah I've never seen it I was oh I've seen actually book was better the book is really good big episode from the book was better do we have to review our yes let's very quickly read off our picks so Mallory since you went first you go first okay in order from do whatever whatever you like round one I took I took Gladiator as my Oscar nominee.

2:03:06Round two, I took Snatch as my original. Round three, I took Best in Show as my comedy. Round four, I took Battle Royale as my action thriller horror. Round five, I took Love and Basketball as my drama. Round six, I took Requiem for a Dream as my wild card. And round seven, I took Mission Impossible 2. Rob? In drama, I have E.E. In comedy, Almost Famous. In Oscar nominee, Dancer in the Dark. In action horror thriller, American Psycho. In blockbuster, Aaron Brockovich. In Wildcard, But I'm a Cheerleader. Sorry, in original, But I'm a Cheerleader. In wildcard, Drunken Master 2. In blockbuster, I've got Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon.

2:03:50In original, I've got Unbreakable. In comedy, I've got High Fidelity. In Oscar nominee, I've got The Contender. In drama, I've got The Yards. In Action Horse Thriller, I've got Pitch Black. And in Wild Card, I've got Backstage. Chris? In Original, I got You Can Count On Me. In Oscar nominee, I have The Perfect Storm. In Blockbuster, I have Cast Away. Action Horror Thriller, I have Scream 3. In Comedy, I have The Replacements. In Drama, I have The Way of the Gun. And in Wild Card, I took Road Trip. I love that. I love how all of our drafts ended this day. I've got Billy Elliot contentiously in original I've got Oh Brother Where Art Thou in Oscar I've got X-Men in Blockbuster I've got State in Maine in comedy I've got The Cell in action horror thriller I have Ghost Dog in drama and I've got The Beach in wildcard in original I have Bamboozled in Oscar nominee I have Traffic in Blockbuster I have Remember the Titans in comedy I have Meet the Parents in action horror thriller i have the incomparable the patriot uh in drama i have boiler room and in wild card i have final destination amanda in drama i have the virgin suicides in comedy bring it on in original center stage in oscar nominee wonder boys in action horror thriller charlie's angels in blockbuster miss congeniality and in wild card coyote ugly i can't have no one has ever been more themselves than Amanda is on this draft.

2:05:27It's another pretty classic draft for me. Yeah. This was fun. Thank you guys. Nice job. Thanks everybody. Really nice work. Thank you to our producer Jack Sanders for his work as well. So thanks to Bobby Wagner. We love you Bob. Later this week on the show we're digging into Wes Anderson's The Phoenician Scheme and I talk to Wes Anderson. See you then.

2:05:55Thank you.

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Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins

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