The 2025 Golden Globes: ‘The Brutalist’ and ‘Emilia Pérez’ Usher in a New Era

26:43We want people to like get excited, but like, or is that era over? And should we just lean into, you know, honoring the movies that really say something and do something and not worry about, well, what will the wide appeal? Because the massive everyone's tuning into the Academy Awards moment seems to be I feel like gone forever we're not getting it back so instead of trying to grasp at it should we just lean into Amelia Perez and the Brutalist etc etc you know well just to that point then let me just say the names of the films that won awards tonight okay because I think you're pointing out something insightful here, Amanda.

27:22Emilia Perez, a real pain. Conclave, Emilia Perez again. The substance, a different man. Flow, the brutalist. Challengers, Emilia Perez again. Wicked, which was a box office win. I'm still here. The brutalist, the brutalist, and Emilia Perez. So, So, 824, 824, 824, 824, Netflix, Netflix, 824. setting aside the original score win for the for challengers is conclave the highest grossing film and maybe the substance is the highest grossing film on this list i it might be you know that's kind of fascinating yeah now obviously this is not voted on by a very large body it's only 300 or so people that are voting and they're mostly journalists and critics they don't represent what sag does or dga or bafta or any of these other bodies that we'll see in the next two months but it's fascinating that for this big fancy TV show that like fucking Flo won Flo this tiny Latvian animated feature a win for cat people yeah which is up against a Pixar billion dollar movie and the Wild Robot which is a big sensation and Wallace and Gromit which is one of the most celebrated animated like story types like that we've had in the last 30 years and fucking flow one.

28:46So this is the Globes. Right. But it's the new Globes. It's quite strange. It's the new Globes. And like Amanda's right. Of course, Amanda's right perfectly. And it's a great point. But I guess my question is, should I, I'm kind of tired of worrying about that. I'm not worried. I do think it is extremely notable though, in part because last year, I don't know if this is going to be true this year, but last year the template felt very set, but the Globes more or less exactly predicted the Academy Awards. And if this is the Academy Awards this year, I'm going to be like, yo. Strange, yeah. The thing that we have been talking about and saying like, oh, well, we got to keep people involved and how do we get back to 40 million people?

29:29Like, then the book is closed on that conversation. Like, closed, closed. Like, we shouldn't even, I shouldn't even bring it up to you anymore. I want to be clear. Don't put it in the newspaper that I'm mad. I'm not concerned. Yeah, yeah. But, you know, I will say This is an interesting awards year because for the last three months when the season really starts heating up, I have been on the sidelines and I have been catching up and sort of participating as a civilian and listening to you guys and trying to catch up. So I do feel like I'm coming to it slightly more. Like a civilian. Yeah. A woman of the people.

30:06As I always have been. Sure. Yes. Speaking for everyone. Yeah. A populist. it's not that I feel turned off. I'm just a little like, huh, okay. You know, and I thought that that feeling was because it has been such a scattered awards year. And I think it was a scattered movie year. You know, like we all had our things that we really loved, but there hasn't really been a center. And, or maybe because I was like, well, when I catch up, I'll understand. But maybe it's just kind of a strange year and that's okay. And it's like, it doesn't, you know, the Golden Globes will live or on and the Oscars will as well, but it's all a little strange.

30:44It is a strange year. It's, of course, a strange year post-strikes and there are a number of other factors that are contributing to it. I think one thing that is probably worth citing, and of course I'm always in some sort of doomsaying mode because I'm inherently negative as a person, but just because we're awarding... Should we get you a girdle? Yeah. Would that help? Like literally, what do you think a girdle does? We're in perilously close to holding my arms in front of me territory. That was the Golden Globes last year. It was, yeah. I better not say. What movie? I just watched a movie and someone was saying that they were.

31:18Oh, I think it was Nick Holt had to wear a girdle. No, Aaron Taylor Johnson wore a girdle every day during the production of Nosferatu because it was meant to show the posture that a man of his stature in that time period should have. Or was he trying to gain just a little bit more height to get closer to Nicholas Holt? Yeah, well, he should have gotten some lifts to make that happen because he was a solid five inches below. So we stan Nicholas Holt, our favorite cop. We love Nicholas. Joanna. Okay, so the thing that can happen is, fine, Jack Nicholson, he's gone, Meryl Streep, Denzel, that's never coming back.

31:52Denzel was in the room tonight. They showed him for like one second during his category. We know that era's over, right? We're in a different time. Netflix has all this spending power. Streaming has messed with movies. People don't care about movies as much as they did even 10 years ago. It's all settled. what still will happen which is of course the foolishness of award shows and all of our investment in them is that they'll award smaller films and in theory better films but then they'll also just give their big prize to Amelia Perez and like so that's a movie that nobody saw and nobody Joanna knows or I know think is good so then you're like alright so we're obscure but we're also not giving a Nora or or the Brutalist the best picture either You know, so it's a bit of a conundrum in terms of justifying its own existence when the films are small and bad.

32:47I'm not saying that that's what's going to happen at Academy Awards. If Amelia Prez wins Best Picture, I'm not going to be pumped. I'll be so confused. I'll be confused. And I guess I will just have to eat my words that I said on this podcast several weeks ago about Netflix never crossing. The fact that they would cross the finish line with Amelia Perez. Totally. And not all the other great films that have almost gotten there for them in the previous years. Roma or like Mank or whatever the case may be. It goes back to the spirit that you were conjuring while Amanda was out though, Joanna, which is that if it does win, it is that international thing.

33:23It is Jacques Audillard who is a widely acclaimed French filmmaker who's won the Palme d 'Or and who I said while we were watching the show, I'm like, this guy's made some great movies. I can't believe this is going to be the movie that he's going to get celebrated for in America. This is so strange. It is on Netflix where it is available just widely to everyone immediately. So in some ways, it's like a proof of distribution as much as anything. I mean, I will also be surprised. I think we got one step closer to Zoe Saldana performing El Mal at the Oscars tonight. And you all know how I feel about that.

33:58I'm pro that, especially if she's like, what if she stands on the chairs like she does in the film? she stands on the tables. What if she goes out into the audience and starts pointing at the people in the audience? I think it would be better if she did it with choreography than if she just stood on the stage and performed it. Because I would say, despite the very handsome couple who won a Golden Globe tonight, songwriting is not one of Amelia Perez's strengths. That was the other moment when Amanda completely disrobed during the telecast. It was when Clement Ducol appeared on screen. No, that's not the other.

34:34There were several other moments. I did. Listen. How many layers did you bring? They're a very handsome French couple. You know? They just showed up. She had great hair. She had like great European hair. She had French lady hair for sure. When Trent and Atticus won, I was so excited. I was dancing. I was thrilled. And that was one where the announcer kept talking over. I believe that was Match Point that played during, because that's the one that I run to. That's on my running mix. The tune. That was the name of the song. Yes. Trent, Trent, Leisner and Atticus Ross won for their score for Challengers, which we all love which is amazing and is frankly a not I guess Trent Reznor is very famous so you could say it does have the veneer of old globes but you know the guy who sang Head Like a Hole is not exactly Frank Sinatra so there's something unusual in even these more obvious choices to me it all felt very online and I know that you were you were like no this is more about serious clout chasing for a lady who is awfully online I'm online and then I'm offline but you know what sometimes it was my only portal to the world for the last three months.

35:40So, you know, I liked seeing what the kids are up to. Yeah. Uh, you were like haggard old Demi in the kitchen watching Margaret Qualley on the talk show every night. Wow. Like I basically watched. We all are. That's the problem. That's why that movie works. We're all Demi. But I think if we, if we were awarding very online, like it's very online award punditry and not very online. Like all the kids are talking about Nosferatu right now. Right. Or, you know, I, the movie that would solve all of this that came out this year is Dune Part 2. And the fact that a movie that is, was extremely popular and critically acclaimed and has great artistry going for it is completely vanished is one of the biggest mysteries.

36:26I mean, I understand why it's Part 2. I understand the whole sequel question. But Wicked is here and it's a Part 1. So that doesn't like fully fulfill the prompt for me. And maybe it's just that it happened at the beginning of the year and that feels like a million years ago and one whole presidential election ago or something like that. But Dune Part 2 just completely vanishing is such, will remain an awards season mystery to me. Was Denis Villeneuve even in attendance tonight? It didn't look, it didn't seem like it. He's not nominated. Zendaya was at the Luca Guadagnino table, which is where I would have chosen to sit, were anyone curious.

37:01Yes. No, actually. Did you not get invited to that table? I think I would pick the Conclave table, to be honest. Those guys are having a great time. Rafe was having a ball. They were like right next to Suchi. Yeah. You know, and then Lithgow, they were like one, two, three. That looks like the front table. Yeah. But so that table was right in front of the Complete Unknown table, which is where Timmy was seated next to Kylie Jenner, by the way. I just want to note for everyone that he brought Kylie Jenner as his date. Right. I know that. But it's like they haven't walked. They attended last year at the same time.

37:32They attended last year and that was like a whole thing of them whispering to each other. You know, it's not like they're. Do you think they're in love? I hope so. You know? Cool. He's a wonderful actor. I just, I am desperately curious what they have in common. And I would like to know. And maybe I'm just. I believe they have Riz in common. Yeah. Listen, and that's great. But will it last a lifetime? I would guess that they have spent 120 hours together. Total. Like, that's it. And that's not even like this is a fake relationship. This is just like, do you understand like their celebrity lives?

38:08I'm so back in on Timmy. I'm not. I'm back in on Timmy. Who? No, but my question is, are we underestimating Kylie? Yes. That's my question. The interviews I've seen with him, I'm like, this is my guy. This guy is pure comedy to me. My time measurement is not a judgment on either of them. It's just that they're both really famous. Yeah, they're busy. Like, celebrity relationships are not like our relationships. They have not. What do you think is Kylie's favorite Dylan record? I mean, which... Do you think, you know, Desire is celebrating an anniversary today? Do you think she's into Desire? When he was prepping.

38:43Can I throw a Dylan take at you? Yeah. One more cup of coffee is what everyone thinks knocking on heaven's door is. Bang. I do this for a living. Wow. Standing ovation. The listeners at home just loved that take. I promise. I just... I saw that movie. I still got my fastball, you know? Three-year-old in the house, doesn't matter. I'm still cooking. It's 9 p.m. Feels like roughly 4 a.m. right now. I have to tell you, so I saw the movie, and then I listened to the A Complete Unknown podcast. And you and Mallory, once you start going into the history, like minute 90 of that podcast is some really intense stuff.

39:21You wept because of how sincere and thoughtful our takes were? And you, no, I listen. I am glad that you guys love something. and that also you're way more sincere about everything with people other than me. I know. You bring out the worst. I know. No, it's just the difference. I disagree. No, I agree that he's more sincere, but you obviously, obviously clearly bring out the best. I know, but you're just like warmer and nicer and like just like sharing your feelings about Bob Dylan with everyone, which was like a little much, you know, it's just a movie. You wouldn't have allowed me to do that, you know?

39:54I liked it very, very much. And I think I agreed with you most of the three. Like it's really just some performances. Well, did we talk about it, Joanna? I don't know if we talked about it. You and I have, I think, talked informally about it, but I don't think we talked about it on the pod that much. You did like it, though. I did. I did like it, but I didn't love it. It's not great, and it's not even as good as Walk the Line is. Amen. That's interesting. You agree with that, too? Yeah. But I thought Timmy was really good. I think they're very different movies. They're interesting together, obviously.

40:21They're two representations of Cash. I actually think Boyd is a better Cash. I mean, but he also, he just gets to be the foil, and charisma and he doesn't actually have to do the whole like. But you said you were listening to the soundtrack and there's a version of Big River that Boyd sings and I'm like that's fucking Johnny Cash man. He sounds like Johnny Cash. Joaquin does not sound like Johnny Cash. I wasn't listening to the soundtrack. You just said that. You said you pulled it up. No. I listened to the podcast. Oh the podcast. And then I played Highway 61 for my son. Is this a podcast? I played Bob Dylan not Timothy Chalamet.

40:54They're different but they're kind of the same in that like Mangold was sort of trying to recreate a lot of Walk the Line inside of this Dylan company. I think all of the love triangle stuff feels very much reaching for Walk the Line. Totally agree. And even to the point that he repeats a song that he uses in Walk the Line that is like a song of a duet of tension in Walk the Line is repeated again in this, which was like a wild. And the way that Dylan and Joan Baez meet in A Complete Unknown is exactly the way that uh, crossing paths, Cassian Carter. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And kind of like the banter from the stage.

41:31Um, speaking of Joan Baez, I just, why are we not talking about Monica Barbaro? Why was she not nominated tonight? Like what are we, listen, as you said, we really needed to nominate Selena Gomez. That's why. Elle Fanning being winning an award for that performance is one of the wildest things. I was watching and I was like, wow, she's very good. They have great chemistry. She's so beautiful. This can't be her singing. That's okay. You know, you can't have it all. And then like, she's singing? That's her? She's unreal. What are we doing? I said it when we did the episode. I was floored. Also, as you said that...

42:08That's the hardest voice to nail. There's not a harder 20... I mean, I guess Maria Callas is the other person who would be the hardest 20th century woman to nail. And as we know, Angelina Jolie did not perform those songs. But also, you said that you went to a Q &A and she said that she didn't she learned to sing, which I just like, does that mean like, is that, is it a learnable skill? Like, can I be Adele if I, if I try hard enough? It's not too late for you, What's going on? And I support this new dream of yours. And, I mean, I can't. I think she was amazing, but what are we doing? I learned how to sing and that's what came out.

42:45I agree. If Colin Farrell can win an award for wearing prosthetic makeup, then Monica Barbaro can win an award for singing. I'm so sorry to tell you, the Penguin is great and he's great at it. I started watching it over the break and I've been enjoying it. Let's just say. It's really good. And Christine Milioti should have won in her category. That's a fun part. You love her. Palm Springs. Yeah, I'll never watch that show, but I'm happy for all of you. And I thought his acceptance speech was very charming, as is the way with Colin Farrell. Just to put a button on this conversation, I thought Timothee Chalamet was going to win.

43:16So did I. And Adrienne Brody won Best Actor in a Drama. Now, for whatever reason, I've been telling myself that this won't happen again. You know, Brody won. He was the youngest winner ever in that category. Everyone agrees he's a great actor. This is a big upswing moment for him in his career. And, you know, he is magnificent in that movie. There is no movie without Brody basically turning his soul over in the performance. So it's not like it's a good win. It's a notable win, I guess. And this is something that does happen with acclaimed actors is they have these waves in their careers. They win once when they're in their 20s.

43:49And, you know, look at Denzel Washington. He wins for Glory. And then many years later, he wins for Training Day. or did he win? He did win for glory, right? Yeah. Yes. Yeah. And it's not unusual, but I just thought maybe just because I was so gobsmacked by how solid A Complete Unknown was and how terrific Chalamet was that the tides would turn on this. And the run that he has been on. There has been just like absolute coronation. He is our new Leo. Right. Right down to sitting next to Kylie at the Golden Globes. So we both predicted it. Were you thinking Chalamet was going to win, Jo? I definitely thought to me it was going And like the thing, um, I, you know, I don't think it's, it's not sewn up that now Adrian Brody is going to win.

44:31It's just like, it's not, it was a big step forward for him and his campaign. It was a moment for him to create a narrative, which he did when he said, I never thought I'd get the chance to win something like this again. And then talked about, you know, the, you know, his family, the immigration angle and stuff like that. Like that was his moment to create a narrative that Timmy has like, Timmy has the coronation. narrative, but he doesn't have the comeback narrative, which has proven to be the most potent award season narrative, which of course, Demi Moore made a meal of in her acceptance speech, which was, I think, inarguably the speech of the night.

45:09But Zoe Saldana similarly gets up and creates her narrative, which is like, you know, I've first of all, I've made I've made you all millions and millions and millions of dollars. I've done all of your pirates and Marvel movies and all of that. And this is something I care passionately about. And don't I deserve to be here? And so that feels so much more solid than it did before. But yeah, to go all the way back, sorry, to best actor. I think it's interesting now. And I wonder what Timmy can do because Timmy is running. He's he's running. Yeah. And the interesting like Amanda rightly so sort of we were going back and forth while watching was talking about like all the people who are crying over their golden globes and sort of an overwrought way but like when zoe sold on it had her initial reaction to the win to me in my head i'm like she knows she's gonna win an oscar like the they read out her name she was at the front of the pack but not cemented kieran was cemented she was sort of like almost there they read out her name she's like i'm this could happen i could win an oscar for this And similarly, when Adrian Brody won, Timothee Chalamet gave a sort of like, well, which is I have a lot more work to do, I guess, sort of reaction.

46:23Yeah, I was going to ask you, you rightly identified Adrian Brody, like figured out his angle. He has, you know, if we're continuing the campaign narrative, he has a stump speech. Do you I don't know if he nailed his audition tonight, though, like this speech kind of took a while to get. get there. There was some Georgina Chapman in there where I was like, oh, okay. You know, he landed it. Yeah. Yeah. He landed it. I midway through, I texted a friend of mine who covers award stuff. And I was like, Adrian's not nailing his audition. And then he finished the speech. And I felt like he really sort of brought it back.

47:02He did not nail it the way that Demi and Zoe did. But I think he made the case for himself. Demi for me was the strongest. And that to me, this went from I don't know if she's gonna get a nomination which in retrospect was stupid to that and that was my mistake to she could she could win she could win tonight yeah and that happened tonight that hadn't occurred to me until tonight either um Zoe Saldana was a little I think I agree that it kind of solidified tonight but I was like are we peaking too soon here uh and that might just be because of the amount of tears um as I texted it was a lot like we have to stop crying over Golden Globes.

47:41They're not Oscars. I don't even know who she's up against in this category. Ariana Grande is going to unseat her? I don't think so. I mean, I guess not. I said it to you earlier tonight. When I saw Emilia Perez in the fall, my immediate reaction was like, not so sure about this movie. I'm a little iffy on it. It's a lot of movie. I think that's a phrase that I use. But no matter what, Zoe Saldana is amazing. I had no idea she could do this in this movie. That was my sincere reaction. and I think that's how a lot of people are watching the movie they're seeing the movie and they're like whoa the choreography, the singing, the rapping and then shifting into hard dramatic performance in the middle of a movie like that which is an often silly movie is pretty impressive I don't even think she needed to do I think she could have given a completely banal speech and it really would not have mattered that much personally because I don't think that the competition is as stiff in this category as it is for Demi Moore and as it is for Adrian Brody I agree there were just other little narratives bubbling like the Isabella Rossellini narrative was like bubbling for a little while.

48:41The Ariana Grande narrative has been there, but like not, didn't ever really feel like solid. Did Zoe Saldana, who was like, Isabella, I stayed at your house once. She did. I had dinner at your house. I had made it. Yeah. I had dinner at your house. That was good. That was good. It was still too much crying for me. We're all Jennifer Lopez, not winning her Golden Globe, you know, in the documentary. Do you think before you die, you'll win a Golden Globe? And in what category? I don't know. Will you buy it for me? I wouldn't be winning. I think the closest competition she has in this category right now, actually, if the brutalist narrative catches fire, is Felicity Jones.

49:22Because the brutalist sort of narrative could spread to, it's not going to touch supporting actor. To the wife, but it's not. Yeah. Yeah, it's the wife, but it's not the normal wife, right? Well, let's talk after you see it. Yeah. Let's have a conversation after you see it. I suggested that possibility to Amanda on Friday on the show. And I think I was just talking up my brutalist fantasies a little bit. Because I'm not sure if there's enough there. And obviously people have more issues with the second half of the film. Which is really more on the Felicity performance side. True. But it's not unreasonable.

49:55The Isabella Rossellini win would be quite silly. It doesn't mean that she doesn't give a good performance in Conoclave. She does. She's just really not asked to do a whole lot. She's barely in it. Yeah. Yeah. It would be a thanks for your career. Oscar. She Googles extremely angrily and extremely memorably. She stands and she glowers a bit. So the two Oscar memes that I need that I don't have yet are number one, Isabella Rossellini pulling something up on a computer and leaving the room silently, which is like me during what I wanted to do during every podcast. And then has no one made a complete unknown like gazing face mashup of just like flashing at everyone's like really fast over and over again.

50:39Can I commission that? I haven't seen it but I'm sure you could get a fan cam going. Yeah. What Bob's tune should be played over that fan cam. Right, but then it's just like speed of light. All of them all at once just looking at him like, oh, I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. I love you. It's a trope that is used also in Walk the Line but exceedingly so in A Complete Unknown. I get it as a strategy. They all look very beautiful while they do it. So that's okay. The gift that I would like to commission if we're just, you know, putting that out into the ether, and we do it sometime on House of R, so I approve, is if anyone has Willem Dafoe grabbing the cat at the end of Nosferatu, I would like that.

51:16That's a good one. Please. Okay, other notable awards. I mean, we mentioned that Demi Moore did win for Actress in a Musical or Comedy defeating Mikey Madison, who you and I both predicted, who has been the headlong frontrunner for months and months, Onora going home empty-handed, and Wicked going home sort of empty-handed as well, aside from its box office achievement victory and no acting performances being recognized either, is interesting. And I don't really know what to make of the best actress race because on the drama side, we've got Fernanda Torres from I'm Still Here, and that is another win that feels, on the one hand, not Globesy at all, and then on the other hand, we learned, or we were reminded that Fernanda Montenegro, her mother was nominated 25 years ago for another Walter Salas movie, Central Station.

52:09So there is that classical kind of Golden Globes. We are a generation of generations of movie makers and artists, you know? And, you know, is Fernanda Torres a Nepo baby? I'm not saying she is. I do also. But I'm not saying she's not. Right. Yes, you know, Miss Golden Globe forever. I do also think that, I believe it was Rebecca Ford from Vanity Fair who noted that someone from the Golden Globes Association told her that there are a lot of Brazilians on the voting committee. And as you pointed out to me, Sean, the Brazilian contingent, film contingent, is very proud of I'm Still Here. They're very passionate about the film.

52:47A film I have not seen. The Brazilian people, I will just say, in my like, let me paint it with a wide brush and I'm so sorry to Brazil, but I'm about to compliment you. Are the most passionate fans I've ever encountered in my life in any genre. When they care, they care vociferously. And so, yeah, I mean, the Fernanda Torres narrative has been zooming around, but it was more like, let's get her nominated, not let's get her a win. So I was shocked and excited. I thought we were going to get like a classic Globes, like a Kidman win. That's what I thought it was going to be. That was my prediction as well.

53:27and neither Angelina Jolie nor Nicole Kidman winning in that category is a real like these ain't your mom's globes. These are different globes. And that's a good thing. I mean the Fernanda Torres film I'm still here to Stop slandering moms. What do you mean? These ain't your mom's globes. These ain't your granddad's globes. Okay, thank you. I'm here speaking for everyone but also the moms. I'm a mom guy. I don't know what you're talking about. I love moms. The Fernanda Torres win is interesting. I'm Still Here didn't really work for me as well as it has worked for other people. I've said like the four films that were anointed as the international films that everyone agrees on this year, which I think is like All We Imagine Is Light, See The Sacred Fig, Amelia Perez, I'm Still Here.

54:09I just, I couldn't get in any of those four films. And this one too, which I felt like... Not American enough for you. No, no. How dare you? Just kidding. No, but I, it's fascinating that like these awards races are just changing so much that someone like Fernanda Torres would not just win at the Globes, because I'm not sure that that means anything, but we should be seriously considering her for a Best Actress win at the Academy Awards for a film that very few people have seen in this movie. I don't think it has gotten more than New York, LA release at this point, right, Joanna? I mean, no, but I think there's still a chance that she might not even get nominated.

54:46No, for sure. But Demi is definitely getting nominated out of tonight. I will do something. once again I don't know one is Paltrow patient zero of your insubordination you know your surprise best actress nominees so let's explore that right because when for best musical or comedy female actor performance I feel pretty good about Cynthia Erivo Carla Sofia Gascon Mikey Madison and Demi Moore being nominated do we think that those four will be nominated for best actress Carla is the only question for me but after tonight maybe it's not a question at this point yeah and she got to have the big closing moment of this show which is notable.

55:26So then there's four. That leaves one spot from the other women who were nominated in motion picture drama, unless there's another wild card out there that I'm not thinking of, but Pamela Anderson, which I think is unlikely. Angelina Jolie, who's been in the race hard the whole time. Nicole Kidman, who's, I would say, has been right on the outside of the top five for the last couple months. Tilda Swinton for The Room Next Door. Fernanda Torres and Kate Winslet. So if you're choosing one of those people, who is it? if it's me, it's Fernanda Torres. But like, I could see it being Nicole, you know?

56:03Yeah. I mean, I think Fernanda Torres is smart, again, from the international, you know, voting base. But then there's the part of me that's like, Kidman always finds a way. She does. She really does. She does in so many ways. Wait till you find the ways that she finds in Baby Girl. I'm tomorrow. She finds some new ways. Oh, you haven't seen Baby? Oh, my God. I can't wait for the Amanda Baby Girl take. I mean, I'm... I'm excited. I'm extremely excited. Coming soon to this podcast. Harris Dickinson was not in attendance at the Golden Globes tonight. Alas. Or at least he was not on camera. The Demi...

56:38Okay, so the Nicole Kidman thing, when I was sort of reading through people's predictions for the Globes, a lot of people were mentioning that Nicole Kidman had such a good TV year. And I was like, what do you mean? Expat was terrible. But then she had a Netflix hit and then she's also in Lioness. And so like she is around on the TV front. And then I was thinking about for my sins, for my friendship with Mallory Rubin, I have just in the last week watched all of Landman, which like I really wish I hadn't. But next week is the finale. And they're setting it up for Demi Moore to have like a big finale moment in Landman, which is a massively popular show.

57:19And so in terms of like her momentum, I was thinking about like the Matthew McConaughey, True Detective, Dallas Buyers Club year. Like if you have a big TV year, it can really push you over the line if you need a little push. I was just saying that on the playground this morning with my daughter's parents, friends' parents, Landman was the talk of the space. Yeah. At the monkey bars, it was all about Landman. Everyone's watching Landman. It's a terrible show. It's a really bad show, but it is. You will have to speak to CR about that. I have. We have been texting about it. I will say Allie Larder innocent, no matter what.

57:59The only thing I want to say in response to that is that Demi is having a big TV year, but Nicole Kidman's also having a big Netflix year, because in addition to the Netflix TV show, A Perfect Couple, please do not forget A Family Affair. Of course. A Netflix film in which Nicole Kidman. Cinematic masterpiece. Falls in love with Zac Efron. Yeah. Right? Yes. And it's one of two times that she plays a best-selling book author. Before we get too far into this episode, I'd like to mention my favorite win of the night, which is Sebastian Stan winning for Best Male Actor in a Motion Picture Musical or Comedy.

58:37Which is, again, not something I would have ever predicted. and another symbol of a somehow changed Golden Globes. This is a very, very small movie that not a lot of people have seen. Obviously, he was also nominated for his work in The Apprentice. And he's a great actor. And he's, of course, a very famous guy. He is Bucky Barnes, after all. But I thought he gave a good speech. That was a great speech. Yeah. I'm now like, could this happen? I don't know. Could this nomination happen? I don't think so. Because it's definitely Adrian Brody, Timothy Chalamet, Coleman Domingo, and Ralph Fiennes, right?

59:17Agreed. Yes. And so then it's either Daniel Craig or Sebastian Stan, right? I think that's right. And so... Daniel Craig is more famous and more beloved, but queer is not as beloved. Is there someone outside of the box beyond those two that we're not thinking of? Well, I was wondering if there could have been a Jesse Eisenberg push, but he did not win tonight. That was something I was thinking of. thinking about as I was making predictions. And a real pain just didn't feel like the Kieran win is the Kieran win, but a real pain did not feel like it was present otherwise at the ceremony. Right? No, not really.

59:50It didn't really have any other moments. And even the Kieran moment didn't feel like, I thought actually he spoke nicely of Jesse and the script and the movie, but another movie that not a ton of people have seen that I guess probably is going on Hulu pretty soon. If it's not already there, is it even, is it even there now? And by Hulu, I mean Disney +, which is where all Hulu content goes now. It's not also on Hulu? It is, but everything is on Disney +, now. They're like, please watch Shogun on Disney+. Oh, so I don't need to have my Hulu app anymore? I don't think. Is there anything that isn't available on Disney +, at this point?

1:00:28I don't think so. I think all of Hulu is over on. The thing is, I'm not really using it. That's not true. I do use Disney +, for Mary Poppins. there's a so there's Hugh Grant which does not feel like a possibility as much as we love him girdle or no girdle there is you know Bill Simmons was asking me on his show on Friday if Heretic could get into the awards race at all here I was like I don't think so I think if it had any chance it would be screenplay but I don't think it does have a chance of screenplay yeah I don't think so either the main issue with Daniel Craig versus Sebastian Stan. And I was talking to our friend of the show, Kitty Rich, about this.

1:01:07So I was like, you don't, she's like, I don't think Sebastian Stan's getting nominated. And I was like, tell me why. He just gave this wonderful speech. We love Sebastian Stan. He's a Marvel star and he's tremendous in these two films. She's like, he's competing against himself. So Daniel only has to represent queer, but Sebastian Stan might split the votes on his own two performances. Yeah. Didn't stop Steven Soderbergh from being nominated for Traffic and Erin Brockovich. Sure didn't. But, you know. And you know what happened there? Ang Lee came through. Right? The Golden Globes. And just snatched it away.

1:01:39Split the vote. Okay. Tough one. Hate when that happens. But if we get Oscar nominee Sebastian Stan, I will be thrilled. That would be very exciting. That would be wonderful. Daniel Craig's been working very hard. And wearing a lot of Loewe. And so, I've really enjoyed press tour Daniel Craig. So, I'll miss that. but I'm sure he'll keep getting hired. Let's quickly talk about best screenplay. Okay, this was weird. This was Conclave's Soul Victory. This is the only movie I believe that is an adaptation. Is that right? I guess Emilia Perez was an opera. It was an opera, yeah. I haven't read the novel.

1:02:22Your mother's read the novel. Maybe we should call her. I don't know how much of a... It sounds like it's very similar structurally. to the novel, from what I understand. Are you asking the question, like, how much should we credit this adaptation versus the source material? I just don't know. It's unusual when it sticks out like this alongside a bunch of original stories. Anora, the Brutalist, are real pain in the substance, which are all originals, which is something that I tend to overemphasize on the show. And they don't split adapted screenplay and original screenplay at the Golden Globes.

1:02:55Why? I have no idea. The Globes are doing whatever the fuck they want to do. Why are there only six nominees for supporting actor and actress and 12 lead actor. I have no idea. Why is this the rules? I don't know. They're doing whatever they want to do. The Conclave win, I thought could have meant one of two things. When it won screenplay, I was like, oh, interesting. Well, sometimes that's what happens. They'll match a screenplay win with a drama win. Or you'll have screenplay and then you'll have best actor and then you'll have drama. You see a lot of tic-tac-toe formations. Historically, it turned out that the tic-tac-toe formation in this case was actor, director, and best picture for The Brutalist.

1:03:26so I'm not really sure where Conclave stands I will say I read a Megyn Kelly tweet which was very scornful of the film Conclave and when I read that tweet I thought to myself that smells like a best picture winner someone who a film that the far right hates that will become a cause celeb in an awards race we've seen this story before but now and you know the Globes may not be impactful in that respect but um just one win felt a little scant to me yeah I know we keep saying, um, no, I don't think, I think conclave is, is dropped in its, yeah, its chances, but in terms of its screenplay chances, or this is a screenplay win.

1:04:08I was reminded that Aaron, I know that we're talking about this is new globes, not old globes, not your grandfather's globes, but, um, Aaron Sorkin has won three golden globes for film screenplay. And this was like such a Sorkin II type of story that it seems like sometimes it reminds me of um when the the movie sometimes the movies they get nominated for sound or win for sound or the movies with like the most sound or the movies with the most editing so like is it the movie with the most talking that uh you know is going to win a screenplay award sometimes occasionally if if it were old globes i would have expected conclave to be kind of the has the feel of prestige and fan and you know his fancy and renaissance paintings and you know celebrated actors but it's kind of a trashy airport book dressed up with hats great hats should we we should we wear hats for the uh the cardinal hats yeah i want tedesco's vape that's what i said you in a tux yes sean in a gown and sean as tedesco and then and then cardinal hats yeah Okay.

1:05:22This is a war. I was so happy when I saw that they used that scene to show Peter Strawn's writing in the film Conclave. I love that scene. I wish Tucci could have had like five more scenes like that in that movie. Yeah, I don't know what to make of where Conclave stands. I guess it does feel like it's falling a little bit, but it's also like, it's impossible to know how indicative the Globes are in any given year because last year they were wildly indicative. The year before that, a little bit less so. The year before that, Fablemans won drama and not Everything Everywhere All at Once won comedy.

1:05:56I can't even remember what it was, but they didn't predict that race at all. And so both of those administrations were the new globes. So it's a little bit hard to say. I think obviously we'll learn a lot more as we get SAG, PGA, DGA, and then BAFTA's winnows down its list. Can I ask you how you feel about Wicked right now? Should we, you know, is the... I don't think a lot has changed. it's a good question is the good witch here in the room with us Galinda show yourself Amanda wants another chance to unload on Wicked no I just I think old globes we have been like well that's over because now this is a critics group now that's what this is and Wicked is not a critics movie it's a populist film and the thing that is going for that is good for Wicked I think is that at the Academy Awards, there are a lot of other categories where Wicked will be recognized.

1:06:52On the flip side, costume, makeup and hairstyling, production design, it's going to be on down the line. It's probably going to get six or seven, maybe even nine nominations. But the film that won Cinematic Box Office Achievement last year was Barbie. And this could very well be Barbie. In fact, it probably is this year's Barbie. And it should be. That's where Wicked should be. Barbie is better than Wicked Joanna Barbie is way better than Wicked I love Barbie you know that let it you know say it again Barbie is better than Wicked there we go very easy for me to say no problem there it's not it's not hard for me to say either I didn't like love love love Wicked I liked it better than I thought I would is how I feel about Wicked but did you know the animals sing?

1:07:38I did I did did that was that is that what broke you? it's so early to break you in the film when I didn't know it was coming Yeah. And I will also say that was a goat, right? I thought the goat was Rupert Everett. And then when I found out it was Peter Dinklage instead, I was, I thought, I think it would have been cooler with Rupert Everett. What a compliment for Peter Dinklage's terrible English accent that you thought it was an actual Englishman. It was ridiculous that they just had him teary and all over again. That was ridiculous. It was someone being a goat, you know, I didn't think like Rupert Everett was putting his whole heart in it.

1:08:11That's fair. Phoning, really phoning it in for the goat role in Wicked. Yeah. I'd just like to cite two very funny joke moments from the monologue that I enjoyed. The first was the Selena Gomez-Beni Blanco's genie joke, which was mean but great. And the second was the Adam Sandler, Shallow May! Which I just... That's a... Nikki Glaser is a woman or the woman who... The person who wrote that joke is a person who understands Adam Sandler. And Adam Sandler is a person who understands the moment and knows how to come through. The fact that Sandler like came in on the bit is what made the bit to me.

1:08:50Absolutely. It was like slightly floundering and then he came in and I was like, this is the best. This is wonderful. There's no one better. I thought it was a good monologue. Again, this is my introduction, Nikki Glaser. Good job. Very successful comedian, Will you explore her works? I don't know. I mean, this is good, right? Like we have something. You're settled? We have something nice. We have fond memories. Okay. You heard it here first. Drop dead, Nikki. thing yeah we had one great date why why have another yeah you know we'll hold on to the memories but it was it was it was never fully mean it was a little sharp but never mean most of the targets were like industry streaming service that sort of things as opposed to people and that and the people with the exception of a couple you know diddy jokes that i don't know if we needed them.

1:09:36A little soon. Yeah. Or just like, was it that funny? I don't know. Even the glancing ones were amusing. Like whatever the Ben Affleck joke was about things, you know. Things he called out in bed. Yeah. Yeah. That was funny. You know, and Ben Affleck can handle that. He can take it. I need to call out a very important cultural moment, which is when Vin Diesel acknowledged The Rock and The Rock just shot daggers back at Vin Diesel. This was going to be my closing discussion point. Thank you for perfect timing. No, perfect timing, Joanna. No, if you want it to be closing, it's not closing. Joanna and I have one more moment.

1:10:13Okay, why don't we do Dwayne and then we'll do Andrew. Drama and then comedy. Is that what you're saying? Vin Diesel presenting the cinematic box office achievement. If it is a knowing gesture to his works and then him coming forth and saying, I'd just like to point out that I am the man who has worked with Steven Spielberg and Sidney Lumet and many other great filmmakers. And while dunking on Dwayne Johnson, sitting in the crowd, who I guess is there to promote Red One, I got to tip my cat. Moana 2. Moana 2. Well, that movie's coming out in like 11 months. We're going to get another Dwayne. We're getting the Smashing Machine before we're getting Moana 2, right?

1:10:51Moana 2 is out. Oh, I'm thinking of the live action Moana. Oh, yeah. Moana 2. You're right. Moana 2. I guess that's true. It's not playing in your house? You know what? she hasn't called for a viewing of the film at home. Oh. Because we do have a screener. Okay. She calls for them? Does she like call you? Yeah, she rings a bell. She says, Master, come down. Please turn on. Yeah. That is how it feels sometimes. Okay, sorry. You're talking about... I mean, Vin dunked on Dwayne Johnson. Yeah. And like Vin Diesel just sucks. Like he's terrible. And he makes bad movies. The Fast franchise is horrible.

1:11:28I hate it. But like he kind of won. That introduction alone was like 45 minutes. It felt that way. It went on and on and on. He fell asleep on stage twice. He was incredibly self-important. And yet he was kind of victorious in that moment. In that one moment. I think he won briefly. Did, you know, one of my favorite award season thing is they bring people out to like promo their new thing. Were there any upcoming projects that you were like a little bit more interested in because you saw the stars of it present an award tonight? You were like tingling when you saw, heard about the gorge. And I explained the premise of the gorge.

1:12:07You were like, good God, this is like the last time I saw Michael Keaton. I feel something extraordinary. I was honestly looking at Miles Teller and was wondering like whether he got dressed, like what his Sunday was like and where he watched the Eagles game and how he fit that into like his prep. He definitely had Vikings Lions on his iPhone in between presentation. Yeah, no question. Go birds. Sadly, I did not. Hi, Miles. That's right. Yeah. Big Eagles guy. Yeah. I don't think there was a single thing that was being promoted that I could. I'll go back to Seth Rogen and Catherine O 'Hara and say the studio on Apple TV+.

1:12:47I am excited for that show, for sure. And that whole bit, Seth and Catherine O 'Hara are favorites of mine, but it felt like they just wrote it together instead of the Golden Globes writers. 100 % they wrote that. This is Seth's comic voice coming through in this bit. So yeah, I'm looking forward to it. That's a good point. I'm looking forward to that show. There's a few moments of that. Nate Bregazzi definitely wrote his bit, and they gave him a stand-up mic to come out. you know like a you know they let him feel comfortable on his own so there are like a few moments where it was clear that the people actually wrote the bit not you Kate Hudson and Mindy Kaling but but Seth Rogen and Catherine O 'Hara just like really I gotta tell you Kate Hudson delivered her half with gusto yeah but Mindy I mean I'm with you yeah should we talk about Andrew Garfield so I actually was in the bathroom yeah Sean was in the bathroom so he missed this.

1:13:39He missed it. Did you show him the video I sent you? I've seen it many times now. So you've watched it. So let's start with the glasses. A very good place to start. Put some context around what you're talking about. You're making it sound like it's a recitation of the Bible or something. It's like an actor got on stage in an award show. What was he presenting? I couldn't tell you. It was Demi because he was in the background of Demi's speech. That's part of the whole thing. Right. So he gets out there and turns to the very close camera, finds his light, as he does, and pulls out the frames. I don't have an ID on the frames, but, you know, I'm sure.

1:14:21All of her people's reading glasses. Yeah. Born-rimmed at the very least, right? Yes. Yes. And looks, he doesn't, he's not looking directly in camera, but he knows he has his angle to put on his reading glasses. while he is fiddling with the button of his shirt to make sure it's properly undone to show half of his chest and his pendant, which I have been reliably informed as a David Yurman pendant, in case anyone was curious. The green pendant that matches the emerald green. And by the way, emerald green, really the color of the night. A lot of green suits on the guys, some great green gowns. That's just my Vanity Fair coming through.

1:15:03A glowing emerald around Rachel Brosnahan's. that I noted with interest. I was going to give you a moment to talk about Rachel Brosnahan if you wanted to. She looked wonderful. I made an old man comment while I was like, hello, Lois. How are thee? Exactly. She looked amazing. I can't wait. So you understand how we feel. You understand how we feel. How you felt about Rachel Brosnahan. But I also feel that way about Andrew Garfield. I also will make out with Andrew Garfield. I'm on the record about that. Let me be very clear that part of my reaction is like the Andrew Garfield experience these last three months, which I was on the sidelines for I just, the whole We Live In Time press tour of the horse the chicken date Elmo, oh my god The Elmo is when I sent him Incredible Yeah, the modern love, the crying My guy is out here and it has really been something to behold and the level of self-knowledge and intention with which he angled that pendant right into the camera and then put those reading glasses on.

1:16:08Like my guy's having a great time at the parties tonight. I want to shout out very on brand for Big Pick. I think his stylist is Warren Alfie Baker, who is also Glenn Powell's stylist. And like he is maybe my favorite. Like I actually don't follow a lot of stylists, but like the work that he has done with Andrew Garfield and Glenn Powell has been extraordinary. and you can kind of tell his work when he works with other people but when you re-watch Demi Moore's speech which you should because it's a master class in Golden Globe speechery please watch Andrew Garfield realize when the camera is on him and watch him adjust his stance and sort of be aware that he is in the background of a shot he's an actor, okay he knows where his light is and he finds it and we love that for him good for him I'm very happy for him he was up for no awards whatsoever.

1:17:02And yet he won anyway. And yet he won. He made a very memorable appearance. A related important question I need to ask Amanda. Emma Stone's hair. Yeah. I mean, she looks beautiful. You know, if anyone was made to do the, you know, the pixie. Yeah, the Gene Seberg. Exactly. She looks fantastic. I loved the dress, like the styling and everything that went with it, I thought. And the color. So very pro. Reportedly, because her head is shaved in the film Begonia. Right. The new Anthemos movie coming out next year. Is she going to make movies with anyone besides him? No. Okay. No. No, I spoke to her.

1:17:39She said 48 more Anthemos films. That's cool. And they're all sequels to Kinds of Kindness. I'm just going to tell that story for another 50 or so years. Did not see Jesse Plemons once on the screen. Was he there? Well, Kirsten Dunst posted a photo of her getting ready and her hair being done. I hope he's having a tall whiskey right now. I didn't see him on the screen but I saw him on the red carpet. Okay. And he looked nice in a tux but suitably rumpled as he always does. Did I miss all the awards for Civil War? Was I in the bathroom? You were in the bathroom. Yeah. Shoot. It's a shame. Too bad.

1:18:15Any closing thoughts? Will you return to the Golden Globes again next year? Sure. Hoping to win? Yeah. It's my year. Listen, I'm available to be a seat filler. You know what's going to be really painful? What? When you defeat Jennifer Lopez at the Golden Globes. That will be your ultimate triumph. Wow. Did you see Soderbergh on his annual culture list? He watched both Jennifer Lopez's musical length, music video, whatever. Feature films. Sure. On Amazon. It was 40 minutes long. Yeah. And then he watched the documentary. He is a completist. Have you seen those, Joanna? I have not had the pleasure.

1:18:56Okay. Would you recommend? Joanna, you really need to watch the documentary. You think so? I would say you don't. You actually, I mean, there is a lot more access than I would have given, especially where I bet Affleck. But he's in there yelling about cameras. So it's quite something. And Steven Soderbergh has seen it. If it's good enough for Steven Soderbergh, is it not good enough for you? Can't we all agree that that's what the Globes should be? Yeah. What you're describing of the Jennifer Lopez documentary is what the Globes should be. The Globes were famously like a drunken, like free for all where the booze was not flowing the way that it needed to be.

1:19:35I don't know. I don't know. Yeah, it was a little stayed. And then I and also I don't have any idea where the Oscar race is going to go. Do you think Fernanda Torres is shit faced right now?

1:19:50Somewhere clutching a globe. That's a social clip, guys. Please clip Sean saying, do you think Fernanda Torres is shit faced right now? Joe, anything else? I mean, do you think this is actually going to impact the Oscars? I guess that's the thing that we're going to end up talking about. You do. I think you should be feeling really good right now, Sean, because I think The Brutalist is in a really good position. Hmm. Oh, congratulations. Well, I don't know how to feel about that. That's interesting. Your takeaway isn't, though, that Emilia Perez is just coming for everything that isn't Demi Moore's Oscar?

1:20:22power positive thinking I'm going to say I would rather The Brutalist over Amelia Harris so yeah hmm so interesting you know The Brutalist does kind of sort of fit the mold of what I think The Academy is now okay kind of sort of not entirely because it's obviously gesturing at an old style of Hollywood film but it's also gesturing at a completely different European style of film you know I know it's just I think it's a little bit of a red herring about what the movie is. I think the movie is way more a European version or like a George Stevens movie from the 50s than it is a Coppola movie. But I could be wrong.

1:21:03People would disagree. You know. I think Brady winning director feels very big to me. Anyway. Yeah. I thought he did very well and as someone who is a big fan of that movie and I really liked talking to him when he was on the show I had the same concern that you did where I was like ooh don't Don't be too pretentious. Don't be too, you know, eyes agog with your own vision, you know. And I think actually reading his speech weirdly helped a lot. Yeah, I was nervous. Again, you gotta print these things out, everyone. You know, not on the phone. But I completely agree. No, no, no, I'm not gonna disagree with you.

1:21:40I'm gonna say Jacques Adiard getting out three pages of the paperclip made me so scared, but he only read the top page. But he was going for so long and he still had many more pages paperclipped together. and I was like, what are we going to do? It was in 72 font though, so it was okay. I was really worried. Yeah, who would you have said was the best director frontrunner before tonight in the Oscar race? Sean Baker? I think he and Sean Baker have been one and two the whole time. And both of them are the Vision peak guys. I think with Mikey no longer being necessarily the solid frontrunner, this was a real falter for Anora.

1:22:21and a real leap forward for the Brew List is what I would say is my takeaway. It was. I still think Mikey's going to win. I still do. I think this is a very different group. I think it depends how Demi plays the next few weeks. The next few weeks. The Demi win will feel like the Jamie Lee Curtis win in many ways. And then we'll look back and I think the Demi performance is superior to the Jamie Lee Curtis performance in everything or everywhere all at once but has a similar kind of framework. Like this person is kind of a genre legend and a Hollywood legend. Right. And were acknowledging their body of work.

1:22:56Right. It was all of this. Michelle Yeoh and Kewi Kwon like all of them. In the movie that is also doing that so to me at least it's like the project is the idea at the same time so if she wins the Oscar for The Substance about that I'm like okay. Right. It's it adds up. What was your favorite win? As I said I really enjoyed Colin Farrell that was for a TV show I will never watch so tanks and then and the and craft services Carolina that was lovely that was really and the coconut water yeah he's shouting out Andrew Scott in the movie we made 25-30 years ago you can't find on Betamax yeah incredible moment very charming that's my answer all my Irish homies love those guys Joe favorite win can I give you a TV win on this film podcast yeah of course please do you're a TV expert Tadonobu Asano Tadonobu Asano for Shogun his speech was awesome yeah it was very short and I think he said this is such a great gift or such a great present and it was like peace out yeah and I think that's how most speeches should be and his his translator came out with him but he didn't use her and he just like soldiered through and he was snubbed for the Emmy when he should have won so this is like a real Shogun won all you know all the same things that they won at the Emmys plus Taranobu and this is like I loved him he was wonderful so my favorite Great pick.

1:24:20What was your favorite? Sebastian Stan was my favorite. I think that was the most unexpected and cool. And I thought he did very well. And it would be exciting to see him get recognized because he is one of the only MCU IP actors who actually uses his powers for good and makes interesting, challenging films. And I appreciate that. I mean, Zoe Saldana, let's give her some credit. She did the same thing. She absolutely did the same thing. I totally agree. And did you see that we got like fact checked on our Chris Evans take, Sean? What was the take? That his two, like his upcoming projects, he's doing a Celine Song film and then I forget what the other one is, but he's got like a couple really good upcoming projects.

1:25:00He does. He's the star of Materialists, which is coming out later this year. Alongside Dakota Johnson and who's the third? It's a film about a matchmaker. Pedro Pascal, right? Pedro Pascal. Inspired by Celine Song's stint as a matchmaker. Wow. A professional matchmaker. That'll be an interesting movie. You're right, though. Chris Evans does have two cool movies coming out. You guys were a little... We were tough. We were tough on Chris. Chris Evans is your guy? Since when? Doing this show for years. What are your favorite Chris Evans performances? What? She loves the Marvels more than the other ones.

1:25:34She loves a Boston guy. Amanda loves a Boston guy. I don't know. I was listening to it and I was like, well, this is kind of mean. You know? Did you spend any time watching Red One? You didn't watch Red One. I was ghosted. no my husband did I opted out of that experience if you had you would have known sure we were entirely justified in our discussion we were okay but if materialist is great I'll be back on the train the whole point of that conversation was this guy was in Knives Out and Snowpiercer and Sunshine he knows what is good right make good movies that's all I want okay I don't want to end this note on dissing Chris Evans again yeah he's your guy you can call him pretty I would say a mixed award show In terms of the quality of the telecast.

1:26:17I liked the host. I thought she would do well. She did do well. Just a very high-minded and mostly very good set of awards. Yeah. This is just really funny. I really thought you were going to come on here and gloat, Sean. Because I really think... That's not what it's about. I'm not trying to exclude anyone. I think that that's a great film. And people should try to meet it where it wants to be met. I have no interest in lording any of this over anybody. Because nobody's even seen this movie yet. and when they see it and they understand that it's not me a sad podcaster like trying to do a bit it's actually a way more sincere and sophisticated story about pain then they'll understand like why it's winning awards like this but then again Amelia Perez won too so who the fuck knows that's what I'm like yeah who knows okay well we'll pick up this conversation again you're not done you were trying to insinuate somehow that you're like not coming back for the rest of awards season but you're definitely coming back and we'll find out when the right times are You definitely have to keep helping us power rank Best Picture nominees.

1:27:17You've taken us this far, Joanna. It sounds like a joy to me. Okay. Thank you for staying up with us. I really appreciate it. Lovely to see you. Listen to Joanna on the myriad of podcasts that she hosts here at The Ringer. We used to let her name them, but we won't do that tonight. Thank you so much to Jack Sanders for his video production work and the delivery of... And for a coffee cake. It's really nice. My last podcast before leave, there was a coffee cake from Bobby. and the first podcast was second podcast back but a coffee cake from Jack it's very kind of both of you and it's delicious Bobby was also a giver of this coffee cake as well thank you to Bobby Wagner our producer on this podcast for his work we'll be back very soon in just a few days we'll be discussing the film Baby Girl once you've had a chance to see it and we're going to build a hall of fame for Nicole Kidman and I'd like to tell you something I believe Nicole Kidman has made 45 movies this century yeah that's not a joke she's also starred in five television shows and she is the face of AMC in this century.

1:28:15And are television shows eligible? Well, I don't know. Okay. Oh, this is exciting. Because who has a bigger and broader and bolder CV than Nicole Kidman? I'm not sure if anyone we've ever talked about on the show does, but we will talk about it very, very soon. We'll see you then.

1:28:41Thank you.