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Podcast Episode Summary: The Big Picture - The 2025 Movie Auction
Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins Guest: Chris Ryan Senior Producer: Bobby Wagner Video Producer: Jack Sanders
Episode Overview In this episode, the hosts engage in an auction format to draft movies they are excited about in 2025. They reflect on the auction results and rules from the previous year before diving into this year's anticipated films, which include both blockbuster franchises and smaller indie projects.
Key Highlights
Opening Discussion
Narnia and Theatrical Releases
- Sean and Amanda discuss Netflix's decision to release Greta Gerwig's *Narnia* adaptation in theaters for a limited time, highlighting the shift in distribution strategies.
- They express mixed feelings about the adaptation, with Amanda displaying some cynicism about the *Narnia* franchise and its religious undertones.
Auction Rules Recap
- Each participant starts with $1,000 in fake money to bid on movies.
- Movies must be scheduled for a 2025 release or have a strong likelihood of being released that year.
- Each participant must draft five movies, and movies auctioned last year are eligible again.
- There are additional "triggers" that can help determine a winner, such as box office earnings and Oscar nominations.
Draft Results
- Amanda's Picks:
- *Megan 2.0* for $30
- *F1* for $256
- *The Phoenician Scheme* for $200
- *Marty Supreme* for $206
- *Opus* for $308
- Chris's Picks:
- *Sinners* for $270
- *Highest to Lowest* for $205
- *Jurassic World: Rebirth* for $100
- *Sentimental Value* for $110
- *Running Man* for $100
- Sean's Picks:
- *Mission Impossible: The Final Reckoning* for $390
- *28 Years Later* for $355
- *A Big Bold Beautiful Journey* for $50
- *The Battle of Bacton Cross* for $1
- *Eddington* for $204
Discussion Points
- The hosts dissect the potential box office success of the movies they’ve chosen and analyze the competition in the upcoming year.
- They discuss the implications of Netflix's theatrical release strategy and how it might affect the future of film distribution.
- The conversation includes humorous interludes and personal anecdotes, showcasing their camaraderie and shared passion for cinema.
Future Considerations
- There is a debate about the likelihood of securing Oscar nominations and achieving box office success with the drafted films.
- The hosts express interest in the upcoming Academy Award nominations, which are set to be announced soon, and plan to cover the results in a future episode.
Conclusion The episode encapsulates the excitement and strategy behind movie auctions while allowing the hosts to share their insights on upcoming films and industry trends. The dynamic discussions reflect their deep appreciation for cinema, highlighting both anticipated successes and the risks involved in the ever-evolving landscape of film.
Key Takeaways
- The evolving nature of movie distribution, particularly regarding streaming platforms.
- The importance of strategic thinking in auction formats for film enthusiasts.
- The lively banter among the hosts adds an engaging layer to the movie discussion, emphasizing their individual tastes and perspectives.
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Transcript
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0:42I'm Sean Fennessy. I'm Amanda Dobbin. And this is The Big Picture, a conversation show about auctioning. Chris Ryan, CR, the big-time auctioneering boy, is here with us today. It's January, which means we are auctioning once more on The Big Picture. Hi, Chris. Hi. What's going on? Not too much. Before we began recording, you said to us, let's talk about Narnia on IMAX. It's the only thing I care about. Huge news. There's nothing else in the news. We are pivoting away from national politics today on The Big Picture to talk about theatrical distribution. The Netflix Corporation, which famously does not like to put its movies in movie theaters, has acquiesced, reportedly, according to Matt Bellany, in Puck and on the Town, to put Greta Gerwig's Narnia adaptation November 2026 on 1 ,000 IMAX screens for at least two weeks.
1:31Up to a month. Up to a month until it premieres on the service, I guess, on Christmas Day. Yeah. Does that all sound right? Yeah. Okay, how do you feel about this? Like, I mean, you go, Greta, I guess. Okay. That's cool. Am I detecting a little Narnia cynicism on your part? Yeah. Okay. I mean, I read them. You know, there's a lion, there's a witch, there's a wardrobe. There's the three of those things. There's a closet. This is giving. What is her legend? You go into the closet to get to the other world. Yeah. and it's like all about religion and also it's about religion yeah but it's there are no like political ramifications I don't really remember let me ask you a question do you fear God yeah I guess so I guess so he seems pretty mad at us right now he does he does things aren't going well I thought this was an interesting thing that happened when in Matt's coverage of this story that has been going on for a while, he has consistently pointed to, I think, the most saber-rattling but smartest thing about this, which is what is the knockdown effect of this.
2:37It's pretty cool that a big spectacle directed by one of the great living directors under the age of 50 gets to put a movie in movie theaters for a long period of time, especially a movie that's spectacle-oriented. You turn 40 and you're immediately just bumped into the under the age of 50 category. What about under the age of 45? That's not really a delineation anyone cares about. You made us worship at your feet because you weren't 40 yet for such a long time, and now we have to throw a parade because you're not 50. I'll tell you what. She's also under 60, so it could be worse. Just help us out here.
3:06But I was saying to Bobby, you turn 40, and the switch flips, and you've got to do resistance training. I know. But are you doing it? Resistance training? Yeah, how is your mountain training going? I haven't done that stuff. let's just say I had a self-indulgent Christmas and it's bled into dry January are you still subscribed to the mountain thing or are you do you pause your subscription I still have a subscription to that okay that's good yeah talk to me a little bit about the precedent setting stuff do you think it really matters like I don't know will Catherine Bigelow be like what about my missile strike movie it's possible but she has less leverage if I was Rian Johnson I'd be pretty fucking pissed about this you know he only got to put Knives Out 2 and theaters for five days and that movie clearly would have made like$200 million at least if it had played in movie theaters because a ton of people watched it and loved the original.
4:01That was just okay. It doesn't matter. I know. That's not really the point. Look at the top 10 highest grossing movies of the year. Maybe it matters to me. Well, it's nice that you have a standard but this is a business conversation. No one gives a shit what you think about the movie. Great. I'm so glad that we just all put on our CEO hats this morning. Well, it's relevant to what we do here. My CEO hat. That's right. You and Phil Knight, two of the great leaders in this space. I don't know what the precedent is. I don't even know what kind of movies Netflix wants to make. This feels like the last kind of a movie that they would want to make given this new regime.
4:33They have new leadership in the movie studio. What is the point of making$300 million movies if you're Netflix when the same number of people will watch a$20 million movie? You know, Hot Frosty, how many fucking people watch that movie? It was made for whatever's in the back of my pocket right now. You do hold a lot of cash. I do. That was not an insult. Yes. I'm holding roughly 800 grand in my back pocket at the moment, which is why I have back problems, which we learned some years ago. I did. Don't put your wallet in your back pocket. Yeah. Because it creates an imbalance in your spine. Don't do that if you also plan on being on your computer 14 hours a day.
5:06Absolutely. If you are born with this posture, which I came out of the womb holding, not a good idea to put your wallet in your back pocket. Nevertheless, I just think it's weird that they still make these huge movies. Well, when did they agree to do this? I mean, it's like this has been… It was being negotiated pre-Barbie release. Right. And then I think it got, my understanding is, is it got kind of jet streamed after the mega success. Yeah. Right. But I think even, that is 18 months ago now? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Would you agree, like does 18 months, like now, would they agree to like a giant Greta Gerwig?
5:41It's a good question. You know, I think things have changed so much, even in 18 months. That's a really good point. Yeah. I didn't even know about that. You know? So if you're going to do it, you might as well make money off of it, I guess. Yeah, I guess they don't. In the past, they have not valued that dollar in the same way. And they've created this insistence on everything being under the umbrella. And the way that they're going now, between WWE, the NFL on Christmas, the Tyson fight, the way that the streamer is programming, it's just big ticket events. television and it's it's must see moments and so you're not it's not as must see if you're putting a movie in IMAX on a thousand screens out you know externally I guess well but if you're programming television then you're essentially imagining yourself as the cable company capturing so you add value to the thing that you make in theaters before you have it exclusively at home.
6:45Right. I mean, I agree that that seems like you gotta spend more money to make money and that has not historically, since the correction, been their MO. They want to spend less money to make the money that they have because they can. Yeah. But I don't know. Perhaps they know that all the kids on Red Note are talking about how Aslan is snatched and they just know that that's really viable. Is Aslan one of the characters from Narnia? Yeah, he's flying. I haven't read The Chronicles of Narnia. I actually was hoping to read it to my daughter. Oh, that's nice. Just like an activity. I bought it for her before she was born.
7:20But I've never read it. That joke failed on like three levels then. Aslan, I was like, what? Also, red note? What? I was going to ask you about, are you going to get into it? No. So this is on, okay. We're recording in advance, everyone. TikTok has been banned by the Supreme Court. Well, has it? Well, we are, when we're recording, it has been, yeah, but it is. This is up there with Hawk Tua. Yeah. Who knows? I mean, what do you think? Well, this is only two days in advance of release as opposed to six months. As opposed to four months. Hawk Tua is on Red Note talking about Narnia. Is that true?
7:50I don't know. I'm just joking. Can you explain something to me? What is Red Note? Oh, yeah. Red Note is like the Chinese, like in China, TikTok. Oh, I see. And now all the TikTok people are apparently signing up for Red Note and getting like, you know, they're just like President G. Everyone wants to suckle at the teat of China. Interesting. thing. Will you be joining Red Note? I'm letting go of TikTok, you know, even though I feel like it's going to be saved. Okay. Last minute. Saved. As though we're a kitten ready to be drowned. Relax. We don't need to save our platforms. It's okay. We don't either.
8:27I'm letting it go. I'm still on Instagram. Mark Zuckerberg is cozying up to the interests once again, so I guess it'll stick around for a while and I can keep, you know. If only there were a film about that. Not knowing how to use Reels, and that'll be cool. Have you ever uploaded anything to Reels? No, not on purpose. Cool. It's intriguing. I don't know. The Narnia thing, I think if you think about it from the context of the big picture and the movie obsessives, it seems like, oh, what do the precedent mean? Why didn't they do this for other movies? We can have that conversation. If you think about it from the WWE Tyson fight perspective, it's just an event.
9:08And it's just a standalone thing. And your point about not spending money, it's like they're not spending money on everything below the top 2%. But the top 2%, they're still spending a ton of money on. And it seems smart. I don't know. Those guys are smart. They know what they're doing. They have completely destroyed the industry that I have built my entire life around. But they have done an amazing job of making it feel like their service is the most essential entertainment commodity in the universe. And they won. Good job to them. Okay. I mean, that's interesting relative to the auction here because I wonder how many Netflix movies will be auctioned.
9:45You jumped right into the thing that I wanted to talk to you about. Segway kings. One of my favorite elements of this is now your triggers. I love all the little rules so that we can actually judge whether the auction was successful or not, aside from my very equal distribution of funds. Yeah, I have some issues there as well, which we can talk about. I allocated perhaps too much to certain titles last year. I think there should be probably a penalty at a certain point if you paid$350 for something that made$10 million. Okay, that's interesting. But we can get to that in the second half of the year.
10:17I did notice while going through the list of things that have been announced or at least heavily rumored for this year, how much of it was Netflix. And how do we evaluate the box office for something that is a Netflix film? Should it be a does it go to number one on Netflix kind of a thing? Okay, but we've seen what's on that chart, right? Well, that does add an intriguing wrinkle to the kind of movie you might want to auction. I think a lot of times when we're doing the drafts and the auctions, the feedback is always like, just draft the movie you like the most. And I'm like, we're playing a game.
10:49The whole point of this is for it to be a game. The triggers are part of a game. It's not meant to be like, we get to say what we actually like in every other episode of the show. So to me, in the gamified respect, trying to choose which Netflix movie will go to number one is a weird game to try to win. Yeah. So I don't know. I mean, it's a good point that you're making. I don't know that I have any Netflix movies at the top of my auctioning list, though, with the exception of the one we mentioned at the end of last episode. Correct. The Noel Baumbach movie. Right. I need them to rename that movie because I can't remember the name of it.
11:23I'm getting confused with Jay Feeley, the field goal kicker. Sure. and Jay Kelly is just too close to Jay Feely would Bombac get a month in IMAX if he had a Jay Feely biography not the worst idea in the world for Bombac to do a sports dramedy if you've never heard a movie auction before I'll give a brief outline of the rules and then we'll talk about how we did last year with our two sets of auctions so each bidder gets$1 ,000 of fake money to bid on these movies each film on our slate must have a 2025 release date or an almost certain expectation of release in this calendar year. Our slates must total five movies for this episode, five movies for the next episode we do in July.
12:03Bidders open with each new title in a snake fashion. We'll determine the order shortly. You have 30 seconds to make a new bid before the movie goes to the current bid holder, which we never hold to. Movies that were previously auctioned off last year are once again eligible for future auctions. We have a clock in studio now. Oh, we do. I mean, is it too, like, how can we reset it? Can we have Jack running it? Hi, Jack. I would press the on button. Oh, I've heard of it. Do you think you can do it? Can you set it up now? I'm coming right now, yeah. Yeah, come on in. Let's do it. This is podcasting, baby.
12:35Putting the clock on is going to really reveal to you how lenient I have been over the years. I know. Can we put the clock in a way that everyone can see it? You know what I mean? Okay. This is exciting. Well, let's talk about those category triggers that Chris cited. For anybody who doesn't remember from last year, we did add a bunch. To determine a winner and make yourself eligible for a win. Now, I don't know how we determine the winner after we go through the triggers, but the triggers that I set were at least two of your 10 films must gross$100 million domestically. At least one film must receive at least two Oscar nominations.
13:12Now, we haven't yet heard the Oscar nominations, but pretty good idea on a few of these. at least one of your films must hit an 85 meta score on Metacritic I did note that only 13 films hit that number in the US in 2023 I don't know how many did it in 2024 we could look that up and then no more than two sequels and I want to give us credit for what we did last time because last year was a very sequel heavy year in fact a lot of original stuff got pushed out of the slate in 2024 and we did pretty well by that everyone abided by the sequel rule now Now, do you want to individually recap how we did?
13:50Who wants to go first? Chris, do you want to go first? Sure. I did Dune Part 2. I spent$243 on that. It crossed$100 million at the box office. It was a sequel. We Live in Time for$375 and did Zilch. Wait, did you see that movie? No. Do you have to see the movie if you've watched it? I'm just curious because I want to talk to someone about it. But that should also be a penalty if you actually wind up not seeing it. Give us the Andrew Garfield revival of 2024 into 2025. A remarkable press tour. Yes. Concluding in the David Yerman pendant on the Golden Globes. Yes. I'm well aware of that part. Has that been replaying a lot in your home?
14:32Not on my algorithm. Phoebe is away. Gladiator 2,$380. Crossed$100 million at the box office. It was a sequel. Speak No Evil for a dollar. Did nothing. Horizon and American Saga for a dollar. It's the number one movie on Netflix for a while. That is true. Then I had in the second auction, The Instigators for$130. It was an Apple movie and did nothing. A Real Pain,$200, two Academy Award nominations in it. At 86 Metacritic score. Congratulations to you. That was a good pick. I don't remember you taking that. Blink twice for$50. Heretic for$300. Could get a Hugh Grant nomination out of that, I guess.
15:10But probably not. and The Order for$320. Which is the most Chris Ryan thing. But I actually love that movie so that was cool. You're speaking your truths. I feel like with a different studio that movie would have made more money at the box office too. Everybody I talked to who's seen The Order really liked it. Obviously it's a lot of guys who were like I'm into movies like The Order but they did all like The Order. I put it on my list at some point. To watch at some point. Yeah. That could get dangerous if it's like a bunch of guys being like I really like The Order. That is dangerous. In fact I think that's what that film is about.
15:40Okay. You want me to go? I'll go. Okay, Amanda, you go. Okay. So first I got Challengers for$150, which in some ways is the fucking deal of the century and also met none of the things, including the Metacritic score, which I object, you know? Like, I just, I think that's fucked up and critics need to look inside themselves. It could still get two Oscar nominations if it gets screenplay and score, right? It could. That is true. Oh, okay. So that would be nice. I got Maxine for 75 bucks, which was a sequel and I guess was funny to everyone and I saw Maxine. I watched it on a plane. Yeah, you know what?
16:15That's where they filmed a lot of Psycho. How did you navigate? A giant Bates Motel sign. Anyway, got Blitz for$385 which did nothing and bad on its own and also I think I could have re-bought it for less. So listen, when you fuck up, you fuck up and I fucked up. Twisters for$350 Sequel and across$100 million box office thank you so much and then I got The Bike Riders for$40 which is a film I enjoyed so that worked out for me then Conclave for$205 good get we'll get two Oscar nominations thanks so much Trap for$345 listen everyone else let me down the Metacritic score on this movie is not good well I think that this could have made money but people just don't have this, their strength of their convictions or an open mind and that's their loss.
17:13Interesting how you framed that. Wolves, everyone let me down and everyone let John Watts down according to him, I guess. Yeah. We should just do a pod where you just go down the box office receipts for every single film release. And say who let who down. Yeah. But place where the blame lies, yeah. That's Amanda's YouTube response to the syllabi. She just does that. Straight into the camera. Miklos Jansko's the roundup. You let me down. Hungary let me down. Queer for$225. I let myself down on this just because I haven't seen it yet. It also could get an Oscar nom. It could get an Oscar nom. And listen, I stand by Luca Guadagnino.
17:58I enjoy the work of Justin Keritsky's. I enjoy the work of Daniel Craig. I enjoy Mexico City, though I'm told they didn't actually film there. No, it was filmed in Italy. Well, I like Cina Cheetah. Well, I like Cina Cheetah too. And then I got Baby Girl for$5. That was good. I mean, that was good, but the critics aren't helping me. And the public is slacking on its duty to go see box office sensations like Trap. Yes. So sadly, you are missing one$100 million domestic earner. And you're also missing an 85 Meta Critic. I don't acknowledge the second one. you know like I'm sorry you don't acknowledge the second one what?
18:39I don't acknowledge yeah I'm just like that's actually bullshit okay and I'm creating my own world specifically because listen this is Monday January 20th that's allowed now so okay by the way it's 26 movies in 2024 that hit 85 or higher on Metacritic 26 so double from 2023 read them and I'll just give you a yes or no of whether they deserve it oh dear god oh my god okay okay yeah Daughters The Wild Robot I haven't seen him What's the dogs? Close Your Eyes The Seed of the Sacred Fig Dahomey A Real Pain I Saw the TV Glow No Wait Keep going Challengers doesn't get it And A Real Pain does Okay Keep going Why are you so mad at A Real Pain?
19:24I'm not the critics Flow Good One Pictures of Ghosts Hard Truths About Dry Grasses The Brutalist Green Border Sugarcane No Other Land La Chimera Onora Totem Soundtrack To Akudita Ryuchi Sakamoto Opus Nickelboy is here Here are coming in at number four Sean No not that here Boss Devos is here Not Robert Zemeckis is here All we imagine is light inside the yellow cocoon shell and do not expect too much from the end of the world Okay Now the thing is the challenge of this category Yeah Specifically or this trigger I should say is that very few of those movies got a wide release, which means that they had fewer reviews.
20:08And in fact, they're basically mostly art house films, international films, and documentaries. So this trigger means you need to identify... A small art house film. No, no, no, no, no. To me, it's about identifying the film that will kind of triangulate a lot of these things. Like, I'll give you an example. I picked a Nora after it won the Palme d 'Or. having a strong feeling that it would do that and in fact it has a 91 Metacritic score. I picked challengers having like a core belief system and most of the world agreed with it. The way that you talk is why the Crusades happened. I just want you to know that.
20:47Like this this intractability around your own beliefs. Edward Norton in Kingdom of Heaven just being like Okay, here's my lineup. For the first auction I got Hitman for$275. Film simply did not open in a box office. I selected Mickey 17 for$3. Not released. Now should there be a penalty for that is also a question we've talked about in the past. Furiosa, a Mad Max saga for$375. That is a sequel. Megalopolis for$345. Nothing there. Nosferatu for$1. Now that may turn out to be the steal of the draft if it gets to$100 million. domestic, which it might. I think it's at $86 million right now, so it's possible it gets to$100.
21:33Okay, so now I can't go see it in theaters. Because you don't want to give me... Fuck! Well, I already hit all the triggers. It doesn't matter, because I did hit the other triggers, but the second auction is where I hit all the spots. Yeah, but at what cost? Well, this isn't my best lineup. I'm going to share it with you right now. Anora for$410.91. So did we do the auction after Cannes last year? We did. because in cons in May we do the auction in like the first week of July so this is something to think about as we go to the next one too is sort of like do we get more aggressive in the second half of the year in addition to that Moana 2 I got for$1 which in a way is a good grab because it was a sequel but it crossed $100 million quite easily Emilia Perez for$150 I'd not seen the film at the time it was acclaimed out of can it will garner two Oscar nominations so it helps me really not a movie I love so that's tough The Wild Robot which did cross $100 million domestic and as Bob mentioned also had an 85 Metacritic score and then Night Bitch for$321 which is a movie that I have affection for but did not hit any of the categories I've thought about it since I saw it yeah yeah I yeah I mean it's too bad we missed out on a chance to really dig into that one that would have been an interesting discussion for us especially at this stage of your life so I did hit the triggers Chris did hit the triggers Amanda did not where do we go from here?
22:55what do you mean where do we go from here? Do we post it on Red Note? Like what's the move? Oh, like what's the award? Yeah. Who wins? That's a really great question. Should we, should we, should we sweeten it? Should we, should we throw like a loser buys dinner kind of thing? Not this year because you didn't know you may have drafted differently. That's fine. I can buy you dinner. I'm a working woman. Which is the sequel to the Jason Statham film coming in March. Working woman. She's going around buying guys dinner. Saying thank you for your podcast. I've gotten so much joy out of the watch I just have to take you to get a steak oh I've seen men make that offer to you in the past a lot of guys looking longingly into your eyes buying dinner I think is a good is a good way to go now do we get to choose where we eat yes the winners do okay yeah I mean I think that's only fair yeah where would you like to go Jumbo's Clown Room did they serve food there in a matter of speaking yeah oh my god I think they do, actually.
23:57I've not been to Jumbos before. Yeah. Have you been? No. Close to your house. Yeah, it's nearby. You know what would be a nice gesture? It's really close to the sauna. Cheetahs is right by my house, too, but I think that's close. Cheetahs, you and I almost walked into a couple times in the past. We never actually did it. Where it was real like, do you think the guy of Am still late in there? You know, like just trawling around Hollywood Boulevard. Cheetahs is still open? I can't tell. Okay. Yeah, it's the building is still there and the sign is still there. You been in there? No, I haven't. I parked in front of it many times.
24:25For Covell? I went to therapy in a building between Cheetahs and Homestead many times. So has many men. Many, many men have entered that therapy building. One of those apartment-looking buildings is actually an office building, and my therapist's office was there for a long time. That's cool. You know. Doing double duty? Day shift, night shift next door? I didn't ask. The way therapy works is that that office is the boundary. What happens outside. Yes. Outside. Oh, have you ever seen your therapist at like Sprouts or anything? No. I know that there's a discussion often with a therapist. It's sort of like, if you see me, you may acknowledge me or you may not.
25:02This is your choice. Right, right, right. My New York therapist once asked if we ran into each other at the beach, if she would be comfortable, if I would be comfortable with her saying hello and introducing herself to Zach. And I, she's awesome. Sylvia, I love you forever. So I said yes. But we had to ask. Did she come at me like, I know all about you. We never saw her. This one, am I right? We should, perhaps in David Lynch's honor, we should have dinner at Bob's Big Boy. You know what? I thought about going last night. Too much of a scene. Yeah, I bet. Too much of a scene. There was a lot of flowers and things that were there for him.
25:39Yeah, yeah. A lot of people left stuff behind us online. I'm sorry. My instinct is to close it. It's like an intimidation tactic, you know? It's like when a sheriff walks into a saloon and he reveals his holster. Yeah, exactly. It's the water bottle that pushed me over the edge. Okay. So I guess we'll post this online and people will say whether Chris or I won. Yeah. I mean, there are some basic... I don't know what else we could do. We could let Bob decide who had a better slate. Well... That's subjective. Are there any... Like, who met more of the markers? You know? Do Sean and I equally meet markers?
26:16I think I have two films that crossed 85, but that wasn't a parameter to have more necessarily. necessarily. What's your second 85? The Wild Robot. Oh, that's right. The Wild Robot to me is the kind of movie that you're like, not because it's animated, I'm not making a bit out of it. That's kind of what I'm getting at, where it's like, that's a movie that could potentially hit... In all likelihood, it's going to get animated feature, and it could get score as well. And so it could have two Oscar nominations, $100 million at the box office, plus an 85 Metacritic score. That's very difficult to accomplish.
26:47I would wager a guess that is it possible this is the only movie that will do that? Okay. You know what I'm saying? You might be right. I'm thinking about this differently now. You've changed my psychology. Okay. Yeah. That's great. That was part of the idea with the triggers. I was like, these are getting too bland. Well, it's also just like, let's not repeat anticipated movies. Let's try to like hit these. Exactly. All right, let's try this. Okay. Bobby, do you want to help us set the snake draft auctioning order? Yes, of course. Less consequential here. who actually comes out on top, but still matters.
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27:22Amanda, we will have you nominate first. Okay. Intriguing.
27:30And nominating second. Oh, we got Amanda again. Stay winning. It's my year. We'll be Chris. Do you feel like it is your year? You know, Sean, I really don't. You don't? You don't think so? I had one day back at work before things really went chaotic again. So listen, it's, I mean, I'm not complaining. I like, I seriously, I'm not, we're incredibly lucky, but like, I mean, so far the evidence would suggest. What would have to happen for it to be your year? Should have to be red-pilled. Yeah. You're really into the Ninja Creamy Reddit at that point. Yeah. I mean, I just like, what am I supposed to make of it besides ice cream?
28:18You know, like I looked. I think it's like what you're putting into the ice cream. It's like how much protein powder can you put in there? You really want one. Why? I like ice cream. I like the experience of eating ice cream, but I'm really sensitive to too sweet, like too much sweets. I just have kind of like a weak stomach for that. So it's not from a macro boys perspective. Well, it is from a macro voice because then I could kind of control better for what actually goes into it, you know? Okay. Yeah. But when I read it, it's just like they're putting in 45 different powders. Yeah. And as we've heard, protein powder has less.
28:53And at some point, I'm like, maybe the sugar is just better for me than this concoction of whatever. Of whey. I think it depends on what you're putting into it. I think a lot of people are going like Greek yogurt as well. Yeah, I know. It's true. And some people are like using it for fruit and you can make sorbets and stuff. Sorbets are not for Amanda. But anyway. All the macro boys are like, I eat 72 ounces of egg whites every day. And I'm like, I don't think I can do that. Because you're supposed to have a gram of protein for every pound of your body weight. Correct. If you're. And I do that.
29:22Yes. If you're like. If you're trying to get gains. Yeah. If you're just being a woman. Yeah. Thank you. I mean, but it's more. I'll tell you. You're supposed to get. Is it two thirds of your body weight? Yeah. Yeah, I think it depends on what your fitness goals are, but that's usually a good benchmark. Which is a lot. I know. I know. That's why I'm half chicken right now. Yeah. I mean, I had to throw out a lot of Greek yogurt last week. So you're up first. Oh, that's right. You know what? I think I'm going to keep it pure and simple and build a sense of community here at the table until we take it all away.
29:59And I'm just going to do Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning 100 bucks. I think that's the right way to start. Can we start at the clock? Or should we just look at it and get a sense of it? I have a timer here. I can just get my phone in. You're promoting both Nike and Apple today. It's amazing how you've been really two of the biggest corporations in America somehow working in unison on your person. I was actually self-conscious about that, so thanks for pointing it out. I didn't know. So when I came to Alice's second birthday, I believe it was. The clock is running. A hundred bucks. He was about to tell a touching story.
30:34of being involved in my life. That was 30 seconds according to the clock. So do I get it for$100? No, you don't. Hold on. Okay, well, I'm just saying. I tried to tell you guys that this is not how it's been working. $120. Okay, so Alice's second birthday. $125. And I wore Nikes with Adidas socks and Mallory made fun of me mercilessly for like 20 minutes. And I actually did broadcast to her that it wasn't really that fun for me to hear from her about this. You said it was hurtful. I was just like, it's like 100 degrees. we're at a child's birthday party. I grabbed a pair of socks and a different pair of sneakers.
31:07Like, nobody cares. And she's like, that is a huge foul. You broke a cardinal rule of streetwear. The auction is 125 right now, by the way. Okay. And I was like, I got very self-conscious about it. But then as I walked out the door today, I was like, man, I am a little Nike'd up. Yeah. I mean, is there something wrong with it? No. No. Are you a slave to capitalism? You are. Well, I got this hat because Tommy Fleetwood wore it. The golfer Tommy Fleetwood. Oh, okay. Who is it? We're at 125 to you? No, at 130 for me. 150. Nikes don't fit my feet. Sounds like a you problem. I mean, it is a me problem, but I'm just putting it out there for people who might feel excluded by this, you know, like a big Nike.
31:45This kind of circles back to our how do you know if you have beautiful feet conversation. But I mean, this, I at least know that it's like a Tobet. What did you say? 155. I'll say 200. Oh, okay. 205. It's like, yeah, it's about the width or the narrowness and the toe bed and I think there's also like a slant issue. I mean, I don't know. It's just not working for me. I'm sorry. It's too bad. I like Asics and I like, I recently have gotten into New Balances with the rest of my family. Can I tell you a story? Yeah. Just yesterday, acquired my first pair of Reeboks in my entire life. Oh, I like that for you.
32:19Just the classic all white tennis shoe. Yeah, those are cool. The club, clubity, whatever they're called. I've been thinking about a, what's basically like Euro Reeboks which are called Autrys. Do you guys know about those? 215. I don't know. Okay. No, I'm very interested though. Yeah, okay. They're like big in France. Oh. But they're like quoting, you know, it's like France's idea of America. Oh yeah, sure. Although I think they are American. I don't really know. I just, this is what I do for fun. Sort of the Amelia Perez sneakers. 215. Yes. 250. Oh, okay. 250. Yeah. Where are you at on Mission Impossible Dead Reckoning?
32:58I was like, the final record. I'm very excited for it, as I am for any Mission Impossible film. Macquarie coming out and saying they screened a bit of it, and the guy at the theater that they screened it at almost had a heart attack because of one of the stunts. Got me a little bit more hype. Okay. Just a little. I'm worried that too much of it will be like saying goodbye to Ethan and all he's given us. And it's just not really why I go to those movies. Did you say 255 yet? No. 255. Do you think that they should replace Ethan with Barack Obama in the next film? Seems like he wants to get kind of more in that world.
33:36Yeah. And he might have some time. A lot of rumors about what's going to happen. You didn't realize? I didn't know that's who you were talking about. Yeah. Because of the potential drama going on there. Why are you not saying Michelle Obama? Well, it's like, you know, I don't know when we're allowed to, because I'm not reporting, you know? No one thinks you're reporting on the marriage of the former president of the United States on the big picture. Well, at some point, there's just, there are legal issues, you know? You think that Michelle Obama, after everything that she's gone through over the last 12 years, would sue you?
34:11275. Okay. I hope not. Yeah, I hope not. You know, and I'm also trying to respect their privacy. I'm just saying, if they're trying to respect their privacy, give me a fucking break. Well, all I would say, and again, this is like we're podcasting in the future, 280, by the way. If I had an announcement of that caliber to make, I counterintuitively might make it right before the inauguration in order to divert attention from someone. Yeah. Okay. Just personally. Little do you know, it will appear as a stinger at the end of the final reckoning is the announcement of the dissolution of their marriage after many years and two beautiful children.
34:59Yeah, we're in a great place right now. So we're at 280. Where are you at? I'll go three just to see where you guys are at with this. This is an interesting one, right? This one's going to cross 100 million almost certainly. It could get a couple below the line nominations. You could see like visual effects, sound, stuff like that. that for Mission Impossible movies. It has happened before. So it's got some value in a couple different categories. Plus, we love these movies. This is one of the big events of the movie year for the three of us. So, I'll say 315. Okay. I'll say 330. I would not describe this as a sequel-rich landscape this year.
35:40Mm-hmm. Hmm. So that's worth keeping in mind. You don't need a sequel. I know. I'm just saying if you were going to get one. there's a ceiling on the number there's a cap on it yeah what are we at 330 did you say that I did I'll say 340 okay I'm interested in this film I'd like to see it yeah me too has the has the box office been lightly declining on these films yes fallout a bit of a parabola ah um charts because the last one was down relative to the previous film which was right which was I think a bit up but it was also the last one was like a week or two before Barbenheimer oh that's right and so got kicked off IMAX right it got kicked off IMAX and also I think the promo tour really got subsumed by the Barbenheimer marketing which was just going full all summer long Mission Impossible Fallout in America was was the highest grossing Mission Impossible film oh okay so good Dead Reckoning was the sixth highest so they initially presented this as what number are we at?
36:47330? 340. Yeah. I said 340. 345. 350. 355. I just want to say that they presented this as Dead Reckoning Part 1 and now it's just the final reckoning, right? Correct. Okay. But that's because the same reason that one of the other signature sequels of 2025 will be Wicked Colon for Good, not Wicked Part 2. This is something in the culture that we no longer want. Dead Reckoning already? Part 1. Part 1, yes. It was called Part 1 and then they just called it Dead Reckoning, and now it's the final reckoning. Correct. Oh, okay. They took the part one off the title retroactively. I'm out. Right, right, right.
37:24You're out. What is it? What did you do? Did I say 350? 355. 355. 360. 365. 370. This is not a parlor game. I want this movie. I'm just saying, sometimes we play a game, you know, and we're like, oh, you did this, you did this. I know. 375? 380. 390. I mean, should we just like... settle on a number? Yeah. You can have it. Really? At 390? Yeah, because you know what? That's really nice. You believe in the whole weird AI plotline more than I do, and you believe in underwater stunts more than I do, and you believe in, what's it called? The cruciform key. Yeah, there we go. Yeah, there you go. Two keys interlock to create one key.
38:13Yeah. Are they adding anyone to the mix? Which is definitely how all submarines are run. And also all AI. You know, cruciform keys. The Gemini is run by two keys and I have one of them. I don't really know if there's any, someone named Mariella Garriga has been added to the cast. She plays Marie. Oh, Hannah Waddingham. Oh. And Ted Lasso. She's kind of a fit. That's cool. Okay. She's kind of a fit for this. Is it my turn to nominate? Yeah, you go second. Yes, you're up, Chris. Sinners. Interesting. Michael B. Jordan playing twin vampires. Are they vampires or vampire hunters? I don't know. I don't care.
38:52It's going to be incredible. Ryan Coogler is back with an original film about vamps in the South. Yeah. And I'm going to... Well, I have a question for you. Are you sure that this is not a Dracula story? Because you famously said on our Nosferatu episode, in on vampires, out on Dracula. You're going to see my passion for this project, and that's because I stand by what I said on the Nosferatu podcast. Okay. But what if at the end of the movie, they're like, the reason we got vampires in this town is because of Vlad the Impaler. If it's at the end of the movie, that's great. If the movie is about a Dracula looking for real estate in Europe, then I'm going to be fucking pissed.
39:32He has twin real estate agents. Okay. Now, I am breaking a rule. I don't like it when an actor plays twins. I don't like it. Why is that? I just think it's stupid. I think there's plenty, like have brothers, have non-identical twins. The idea of an actor, and it's always like over the shoulder, body double, and then it's like, oh, hey. And then there will be like one cool, like we're hugging, but it's like how much CGI do you have to do? Just make it a different guy. Have you seen Nancy Meyers' The Parent Trap yet? No. starring Lindsay Lohan I know who's in it as both and aren't they making it again now?
40:10I thought that Kaya it's a sequel Freaky Friday are they making again? What are they making again? Freakier Friday? Freakier Friday That is a 2025 release Will Jamie Lee Curtis win her third consecutive Oscar for that film? Yup A run unlike we've ever seen? Shades of Katherine Hepburn If JLC wins three straight Oscars will you stop doing awards watch on the big picture? I will cancel the show I mean we've got three straight right? Who won? It would be everything everywhere. And then last year somebody else won. I was Emily Blunt for her performance in Oppenheimer.
40:45Yeah. I forget who was supporting actress last year. But the Brutalist that's not the same character at all, right? Because it complicates it. Right? You haven't seen the movie. Yeah, I know. You'll have to see it. Not my fault. So for Sinners I'm going to open the bidding at$180. Oh, wow. Okay. $190. I'm very interested in this movie. I'm very interested in it too. That's cool. I think it's going to be like a real programmer I'm interested but I'm not going to get in the mix with you guys like one thing I like about what I've seen so far is it's it's just a genre movie it's not like this is a movie about America and the tale we tell each other no this is a movie about stabbing vampires in the eye like that's what I want this movie to be I want it to be Michael B.
41:22Jordan wrecking shop on some motherfucking vampires and that's why I'm bidding 210 220 you're out on this? I'm not out on it but I don't know if I'm going to like get in the mix with you guys I'm excited I mean one thing I'll say Just in the interest of discussion, why you guys are bidding. So Michael B. Jordan playing two different characters. You know, some performances are incredible and some performances sometimes feel a little miscast. So if there are two, is he going to be cast correctly for both of them? I'm just putting it on there. But where Michael B. Jordan falls, Haley Steinfeld will carry him.
42:00Okay, there we go. What a run for her. You know? I think this the press tour for this rolling right after her marriage to Josh Allen victory yes will be very very interesting to me I think I'm picking the Bills to win the Super Bowl by the way oh okay this is being recorded before Bill's Ravens before Bill's Ravens all of Bill's Nation thanks you for you jinxing them something going on with Josh are they getting married are they engaged they're engaged oh congratulations yeah 220 is that right 220 yeah I'll do 235 I'm just gonna google this 240 Haley Steinfeld Josh Allen engaged now interesting conversation is do we think this is gonna make 100 million dollars they got engaged in November a big genre movie like this I can't imagine it crossing the Metacritic oh no now I'm seeing the engagement photo um no so there's like a whole a room number one self over here uh what he proposed to her and like they took pictures yeah with like 4 ,000 candles like a seaside vista and like a rose arch I did that me too it looks nice yeah okay wish someone loved me like that seriously do you?
43:12they seem like nice people I don't really have any notes on that this is like it's just like a little I don't know like photo you know professional photos like I get nervous I know no one's ever done a professional photo op for their engagement this is incredible what? this is so common now everybody does this now I know but I'm like this is just very this would make me I said 250 Yep. It's going to make me anxious. 260. 270. I don't think it's going to cross 100 million. I think it's just going to be a sick movie. Yeah. It's going to do okay. But we don't, we, you know, for better or for worse, we are not high-fiving each other because it's a sick movie, right?
43:48Yeah. You've kind of, maybe your triggers have kind of put us in a place. For better or worse, I've destroyed my closest friendships by making everything a game. It is what it is. Should we share? Yeah. there are a series of linguistic phrases that men and only men use. And these phrases indicate an insecure and weak soul. And if you hear me using them or you hear Chris using them, you can call them. Slap us in the face. Where is this coming from? It's a theory I've been working on. One of those phrases. This isn't like the photo things with like the lines. Like this isn't an internet thing. This is not original.
44:21No, it's something I came up with. Yeah. Well, I just was listening to someone talk on a podcast today and this person kept it. It was not you. This person kept leaning on these crutches. I have crutches too. We all have crutches. One of the crutches is be that as it may. My take is no woman has ever said those words in that order before. That's something men say when they don't know what they want to say next, but they want to say it as a segue. Usually when you're trying to not talk about what I'm talking about anymore. Be that as it may. That's not really in my quiver. I don't think. Okay. Oh, so you're saying you've looked into the abyss.
44:54I wasn't saying that in a hostile way. You're stopping yourself. I'm learning about the theory. It came up in part because Bob on a pre-recording, we were saying, Chris can have sinners, by the way, just so we can continue this conversation. Be that as it may, I heard someone say earlier today, Bob said it is what it is on the call. Now, obviously, that phrase lives on forever because of the Irishman, but that is a phrase that doesn't mean anything. At the end of the day. Okay. with that being said is a phrase that is if you say with that being said comma and then something I don't trust you you're not to be trusted okay but so like I just you guys are like was this at a the club meeting that I'm on it was literally five seconds you were getting tea no you were getting tea so this is what happens when like I can't find the hot water in the building there's a vigorous exchange of ideas between two men who love language that is what has happened Okay.
45:48That words are our currency. Right. And that every day we pay the piper by using words. The lion, the witch, and the wardrobe to each other. You are really passionate about this? Be that as it may, Amanda. And I just, I didn't know when this happened. Do you know? Like I, okay. It's fresh in my mind. There's a series. I support you guys on all of these things. There's a series of phrases that we can add to the list over time. Okay. As they come across. I have a lot of crutches. Sure. Here's a crutch of mine. Your mileage may vary. I say that all the time. Yeah. That one is helpful for me because it lets me say like, hey, I like this movie.
46:28You might not. You're a fucking idiot. But your mileage may vary. It allows me to kind of flow in the conversation. Be that as it may is nothing. Yeah. Okay. That doesn't mean anything. Yes. You agree? Absolutely. Thank you for coming on the journey with me. Okay. I love words. It's your turn to nominate a film, I think. I got sinners for... That was really, really intense. And I don't know why. I'm glad. I'm glad you felt... I was just focused on the flower arch and you just started yelling about language. He used be that as it made it to know my fire. I just want to say in my defense, it is what it is is different.
47:07That actually means something. That actually means you have to accept the reality of your situation. but it also means that's exactly what be that be that you know all those phrases they're just they're like cotton candy like they don't have any depth they don't mean anything they just are like you could just say accept it this is the way that it is it is what it is you know these I don't know what are they neologisms is that what they're called like they're you know I think also we watch too many no that well it is what it is is a tautology we watch too many sports press conferences oh I feel like our exposure to sports press conferences has gone up about 250%.
47:46I mean, I think that you could just start with, stop with, we watch too many sports press conferences, which is... I do. That's true. I watch Nick Sirianni talk. I need injury updates. Oh my God. Be that as it may, you got to know who's playing for the Eagles, right? Yeah. My next proposal. I'll throw out highest to lowest is this a sequel? it's not a sequel even though it's got highest to lowest? nope it's the numeral two in the Spike Lee sense of naming films this is Spike's new movie a remake reportedly of the Kurosawa movie High and Low High and Low stars Denzel Washington and Ice Spice and Ice Spice that's correct and Jeffrey Wright Jeffrey Wright.
48:37And A$AP Rocky. Yeah, and A$AP Rocky. I'm wondering, is A$AP Rocky the kidnapper? I don't know. Ice Spice could be a kidnapper. Maybe together. Or is Ice Spice the kidnapee? You know, in the story... An industrialist. His child is kidnapped, but accidentally his chauffeur's child is kidnapped. And then it's like, I have to decide whether or not my chauffeur's child's life is worth what they want. Right. It's a great movie. It's one of the best movies ever made. Yeah. I'm very excited for Spike Lee to be back in the director's chair working with Denzel Washington. So here's the thing about this movie.
49:11An Apple and A24 co-production. Right. What does that mean? Will this movie come out in movie theaters? I'll put it on the table for 75 bucks. Okay. Denzel and a Spike movie is an event. It's only happened a few times. Every time it's happened. Inside Man. He Got Game. Moe Better. Moe Better Blues. Malcolm X. So this is a big deal. Any word on this one? Any vibes? None that I can report. Okay. I would love to love it, and I would love for there to be a year of Spike. I think that would be overdue, never won Best Director. This is a thriller, so it's not likely necessarily, but the original film has big themes.
49:51So you're doing$75? So I'll do$75. I'm going to do$90. I'll do$100. Okay, I'll do$115. Now, could it be an Oscar movie? Could it be? Probably not a Metacritic movie. Spike, pretty divisive historically, especially in the last 15 years hasn't had a ton of movies that probably crossed that threshold hasn't made a movie since the Vietnam Netflix film right? yeah Defy Bloods any docs since then? don't think so wow don't think he's made a Klansman's after Defy Bloods? it is before yeah Black Klansman's 2018 I think Defy Bloods was 2020 okay and I don't think he's made a film since then so am I forgetting something?
50:32I'm not right? No, I just, I'm looking it up. So I have it at 115. I don't know if it's going to hit any triggers. 125. Okay. I'll go 130. I'll go 140. 150. 165. I think it's nice on the first movie for each person to throw out something that we all want to see. Yeah, I agree with you. Yeah. You know, and then we can get a little more arcane with our choices after that. 175 I hope this is good 190 do you have a like a like a lesser loved Spike Lee movie that is of interest to you um I mean I I weirdly mm-hmm kind of liked Girl 6 well that's the one that is the most lost yeah not on Blu-ray I don't think doesn't stream anywhere no one's he never talks about it I haven't seen it in forever that's an interesting one though I watched Get on the Bus recently great movie really interesting movie that feels very felt very urgent politically the way that we don't really have movies like that what's the World War II one called Battle of uh Sanana Sanana yeah yeah Miracle at Sanana yeah it's been a while I think I only saw that when it first came out didn't like that one 175 Chris has 190 I have 190 I'll go 200 that's my cap If you want to go past it, it's yours.
52:02I'll go$205. Okay. Great. I could have had$201, I guess, but I don't need four bucks. We all know how I do. You big tipper? Oh, my gosh. I don't want to talk about that. Because you don't believe in it? Like Mr. Pink? Well, no, but I would… I just… Yeah, I believe in tipping significantly. Yeah. I think that there are some places where we've instituted iPad tipping that aren't necessary. Aha. but I still tip I always I try to do the same I try to do as well yeah but I do agree and I also never really carry cash so I understand the necessity of the the added thing right yeah interesting you want to speak on tipping I try to tip well whenever possible yeah I try to tip well whenever possible when would it be not possible people should be paid more that's just well that's a fact yeah when I'm at cheetahs
52:58do I do I do I recommend suggest another movie we do in Snake right yeah we could I mean we don't have to you could just go back and order it because it doesn't really matter as much in terms of power play but okay I'm putting 28 years years later on the board 100 bucks 200 bucks man it doesn't care 200 bucks well I it's not that I don't care it's just he's suddenly you guys are just you know yeah it's going for it boys night out that's beautiful boys night out do you think you'll see this film in the theater? Yeah. Okay. She pledged that she would watch the first two. I'm a working woman. You know, I do my job.
53:29You haven't seen 28 Days Later? I'm a working woman? Is that what you said? It's a good bit. It's a good tagline. I do my job. You know? It's a good tagline. I'll go from 200 to... Does that happen during the NFL draft? I'll try. I'll try. I'll go from 200 to 300. Wow. Okay. Because I liked how you went up 100, so I'm going up 100. This is the third film in the 28 series. Do you think it's going to make 100 million bucks? boy, I think that they did a hell of a job with that trailer and got people really interested in it. I think they said it's the highest viewed trailer in Sony history or something?
54:03Or the highest viewed trailer of a horror movie? Some weird set. Whoa. I'm looking. 19 million views in a month. Just on one hosting platform. Yeah, on the Sony Pictures Entertainment channel. This is how I wanted to spend my time. When I woke up this morning, I was like, let's talk about trailer stream numbers on different platforms. What was the alternative? Watching the inauguration? Come on. Pep up.
54:31It's your ear. Let's go. Turn that frown upside down. Aaron Taylor Johnson is fighting for civilization. What are you doing? Ralph Fiennes is in this film. Listen, I said that I would see it in theaters. $200? No, I said$300. Oh. You said$200. Well, you know, I mean... Wow, you ended into penny-pinching mode there. Your voice changed a little bit. I'll do 310. Let's see what's going on. 330. 340. So this is you, huh? This is what you're all about. I gave you two in a row. Well, I'm not mad at them. I'm not mad at what I got. I'm trying. I got to start. I'm hydrating. I got to start putting up some Metacritic numbers, and I got to start putting up some box office numbers.
55:15We're not sure about Sinners. I want to believe in a world where Sinners gets to 100. I want to believe in a world where Denzel gets best actor for highest to lowest. It's going to be really funny watching Demi Moore being like, and the winner for best actor is Denzel Washington in highest to lowest. It's in play. Yeah. That exact future is in play. I'll say$2.25. $4.25. You already have$3.40. Yeah. I have$3.40. Don't give yourself a$120 discount. I'll say, I'll take it for$20. So you're at$3.40? $3.40. I'll do$350. So I've got the final reckoning at$390. This puts me in an interesting position.
55:59I'll say$355. You can have it and those are your two sequels, huh? Mm-hmm. Original content, Sean. I'll let you have it. Okay. So those are your two sequels for the whole year then. Yeah. Yes. But they're probably my$200 million grocers. True. So a tactical effort here. Yeah. You can wait on the 85 and the Oscar stuff until after the first festival season. Yep. In theory, if we're gaming it out. I just Googled movies 2025. So that's where I'm going. That's you. You're just looking at movies. I'm just looking at movies. We did an episode about this about a week ago. No, I know. But I don't, you know, I'm trying to think about box office and stuff.
56:45I see. Which I only slightly thought about. My budget is now down pretty significantly. Okay. You're down to... In the 250 range, right? No, you have 255 left. So... Okay, Chris, you've got to put one on the board now. Oh, is it my turn? Yeah. Okay, I will take... I will take... Jurassic World Rebirth. Wow. Which I actually think is going to rock. Good strat. Gareth Evans, director of Rogue One and the creator, starring Scarlett Johansson and Mahershala Ali. why would they make a bad movie? Is it a sequel or is it a reboot? This is something we don't know. Well, should we just recap for everybody what happens in the second three Jurassic World movies?
57:33In the Prattverse? Yeah, why don't you start and I'll follow your lead. So there's a velociraptor named Blue. He's been trained by Chris Pratt's... What's his character's name? Joel? Jim Pratt. Jim Pratt. He's in love with Bryce Dallas Howard. She's a really driven woman though. at one point he builds himself a house but she needs him to come back blue then there's like a thing where they get in these globes and they roll down the volcano while it's exploding and at the end I think the dinosaurs are like free to like just keep Costa Rica and they're like we're we're like you guys got this so what happens in Jurassic World Rebirth I just want to say real quick it's Gareth Edwards not Gareth Evans this is my bad I always get those guys confused Gareth Edwards who made the creator yes and Rogue One
58:34I'm gonna bid a hundred dollars for this okay I already have two sequels so if this is a sequel I can't bid on it it's definitely a sequel Sean it's called Jurassic World colon rebirth but is it a reboot like are any of the characters returning is this the same island the dinosaurs What are you fucking talking about? Yeah, but is it like, is it Blue? Will Blue be back? Yeah. I don't know, man. I don't know. Do you think there'll be a title card at the beginning that says somehow Blue returned? So is that what we're calling a sequel now? Is like only if like one raptor makes it through all of the films?
59:07There has to be some narrative connectivity. Are definitely sequels to the original trilogy. Well, is it all originated around the island that the industrialists built in the original film. Because the Jurassic World trilogy is connected to the original trilogy. Let me see if I can find the one. They're all canon together. But now are we saying there's a whole other universe where there's dinosaurs on this planet? A standalone sequel to Jurassic World Dominion, according to Wikipedia. There you go. Okay, well, but what happens in it? Five years after the events of Jurassic World Dominion, the planet's environment has shown itself to be mainly inhospitable to dinosaurs.
59:44The ones that are left live in remote equatorial regions with conditions similar to those in which they were formerly abundant. Zora Bennett, a covert operative, is hired to work with a paleontologist named Dr. Henry Loomis and team leader Duncan Kincaid on a top-secret mission to obtain genetic material from the three largest creatures in the world's tropical biosphere. There's a character named Dr. Loomis? Yeah, Dr. Henry Loomis. I think that's a commercial. From Friday the... No, that's Jonathan Bailey. Wow. Yeah, Jonathan Bailey. Rupert Friend is in this. I don't understand. Dr. Loomis is a character in Halloween.
1:00:21Is it spelled the same way? I guess it's just like those guys having a lot of fun. L-O-O-M-I-S. That's Dr. Loomis. I know, man. You can't do that. I don't know what to tell you. That would be like, this character's name is Charles Foster Kane. That's not... Okay, all right. Are they living on islands? Equatorial islands? Or how are the names of the characters? Yeah, I don't think they're like outside of one of the stories. Or is this like a Godzilla versus Kong thing where they've like... The inner earth. Yeah, the inner earth. No, I don't think there's an inner earth. I don't know. Have you even been anything?
1:00:52Like, did Chris get this seven minutes ago when he was still recapping the film? Yeah. So I got it for a hundred bucks? Yeah. Good job. It's a good get. It's a good get. Do you think it's going to be good? I do. I do too. I do. I do too. I definitely want to remember all the plot details too after we see it. Okay. Amanda, you can recommend a movie. Okay. Um... I guess I'll, well, I don't know. Should I just like try to outspend you? You know, wait until you don't have any money left. I don't have any movies. I don't know. I mean, you very graciously let me have the first film. And now you're talking about kneecapping me.
1:01:27Why don't you worry about, you know, follow your heart. Do something you want to do. It's your year. Right. But all the things that I want to do aren't blockbusters or sequels. With the exception of one sequel, which I just did some Wikipedia-ing while you guys were having dinosaur time. Avatar, Fire, and Ash. No. And I'm just really upset to learn that Megan only made 95 domestic. I bet I will make 100 this time around. I'm seeing a lot of notes from the fine people who work at the studios that are producing Megan 2.0. Not a prequel. Okay. There's also a reason why there's a three in the Megan.
1:02:06She's sort of the three series. Oh, they've upgraded her. Yeah. Well, yeah, that's what I said. But it is a direct sequel. Meth Regan, you know? Yeah. 2.0. Meth Regan. She goes off the tongue. I think 2.0 will probably make$100 million, but like, I'm not, you know. Not a guarantee. Also not a now and not a winter movie, a summer movie. Right. That was a January film. What kind of assurances would you guys need to not let Megan do any child care? Like, what kind of, like, percentage of, like, this thing won't turn into a homicidal maniac? I let my daughter hang around you, so, you know. I bet Megan's safer than I am.
1:02:51I would, I simply would not go for that. Let a robot raise your child. I wouldn't go for that, yeah. It would be helpful until it was harmful, but. Yeah, I'm sort of like, I think that my child at this point, my older child anyway, would listen to Megan more than he would listen to me, you know? it's like well he would have to otherwise he would be vanquished from this earth right that's true but you know even before there's just something about the third party like he snaps to attention very true that's very true Megan 2 point I mean I think you should go for it it's a fun movie we like the first one okay $30 great I can't bid on this one either it's a sequel oh that's right I'm okay there's other sequels $30 there you go so you got a chance at a$100 million earner but you've now knocked one sequel off your list.
1:03:38So you can only do one more over the next nine films that you acquire. Okay. Well. Isn't this a great game? You can put another film on the board now. Perhaps one of your highfalutin picks. Why don't you just let me do what I want? Okay, go ahead. There's several Guy Ritchie films that are coming out. That's really exciting. Did you guys talk about that? I anticipated it. I didn't catch that. No, you know we didn't. No. In the Grey? And then what's the other one called? There's a really, there's an exciting performer in In the Grey. Who is it? In the gray is... Oh, it's Cavill. Yeah. Oh, no, it's Gyllenhaal.
1:04:10Gyllenhaal's in the gray, and then John Krasinski and Natalie Portman play sibling treasure hunters in the other one that he's got. John Krasinski and Natalie Portman? Yeah. Are siblings? Yeah, Fountain of Youth. Okay. It's called. Interesting. And he also has two series coming. In the gray revolves around two extraction specialists who have to designate a route of escape for a senior female negotiator. I think that female negotiator is played by Aiza Gonzalez. A plus. What are you putting on the board? I don't know. This is so fun. Not as fun now that you can't just do what you want. You know?
1:04:51Yeah. Only child over here. I think that you've really... It's less fun. You can do what you want. Yeah, but then he's just going to be like, wow, the wow robot, you know, is not widely released. Look at her lashing out. As the world slips through her fingers, as she thinks of all of the mistakes she's made in this society, can't help but lash out. I haven't made that many mistakes. I just don't really care about... You stayed in this country. Well, that is true. Yeah. You could have been getting Autry's straight from the source. Yeah, you could have been in an equatorial island with the dinosaurs.
1:05:26Yes, but they are islands. Jurassic World, you're talking about? Yeah, Isla Nublar and all those islas are islands. I don't know where they've moved them, though. I would imagine that the... Your Spanish is... The number one condition of dinosaurs living on Earth would be there would be no Lambridge. You can't let a dinosaur into, like, Austin. You know? That literally happens in the second film. In the second one. Right. But never again. Oh, we're trying to avoid it. For sure. We learned our lesson. And then they made five more. Kima on the islas, you know? On those islas. Absolutely. F1,$100.
1:06:11There you go. Good, good. Because also, because of how we do this. There you are. You know what? You're back. I was waiting for you to come back. That would pay for the roasted nuts budget of one hour of this movie,$100. I'll say. One of the most expensive films ever made, right? I don't know. It's currently scheduled for June 27th, and so it wouldn't be eligible for the next draft. No. Oh, oh. Right, because anything that's released in the first six months of the year, yeah, once it's released, it's not available. Yes, very good. That's why one of your strokes of genius was getting Dune Part 2 last year.
1:06:49Because it was so close to being released, but not released. Because it would have been not eligible. Obviously, that's my thinking as well. So this is going into IMAX? Yes. Will it be wide released otherwise? Yes. Okay. Reportedly. I think that they need to make as much money as possible given the size of the budget of this movie. so I think it's going to get 4 ,000 screens every IMAX screen for what'll it be what's the I don't think there is a big July 4th movie this year is there a big IMAX July 4th movie is it Fantastic Four not I think the big July 4th movie is the Trey and Matt and Kendrick Lamar movie it's also Jurassic World oh Jurassic World congratulations maybe it only has a week if Jurassic World is getting those IMAX we celebrate our independence from dinosaurs today it's a day is Bill Pullman Be that as it may, these dinosaurs shall not tread.
1:07:42I do wonder if it'll move, because right now you've got 20 years later on June 20th, F1 on 27th, along with Megan 2.0, by the way. And then Jurassic World Rebirth on July 2nd, and then Superman on July 11th. And I assume all of those people want as many big screens as possible. so I would guess Superman's gonna take over for the until Fantastic Four comes along on July 25th okay cool another film coming but Superman and and and Fantastic Four neither of which are sequels we don't really have to bid on those right now if we don't want to okay but we can um okay how much are you putting it up for?
1:08:24you said a hundred? I said a hundred I'll say 150 I will say 200 I'll say 210 $210. $250. How much money do you have left? $255. Okay,$256. We're done. Chris, you don't want F1? I'm okay with F1. What is it about that you're not interested in? I don't really care about Formula One driving that much. I don't either. And that's a core part of this film. But I wouldn't have said that I really cared that much about fighter jets, to be honest, before I saw Top Gun and Top Gun Maverick. That's an interesting point, Amanda. I guess I always had a soft spot for fighter bucket jets. I would have said, I'm not interested in flesh-eating viruses until I saw 28 days later.
1:09:14So, look at us now. Okay, so you have F1, and you have... Megan 2.0, yeah. Well, Chris, you have to put something up now. Okay. So, I need some... What are we looking at here? I think we need something that will cross 85 or get some Oscar. okay now this is hard to do I wonder whether sentimental value is a good pick here I feel like Joachim Von Trier's no Von it's just Joachim is it? mm-hmm alright are you sure? not lying to you that being said you just be that as it made his name your mileage may vary on whether the Von is used there. I think you're thinking of Theo Von. I definitely didn't need to direct this.
1:10:09Theo Von sentimental value. I did not know what he looked like. Theo? Yeah. Not a road rules watcher. You are not the first ringer individual who said that to me. So that was startling. Yeah, that's what he looks like. I think I hit 85 here or I hit a Renata Reins best actress. Nom. Oh, okay. Interesting. Also very interested to see Corey Michael Smith. who I like so much in Saturday Night. I was just talking him up about that on the pod that we did about when I had the movie on my list. I'm very excited about this movie. Family drama about two sisters who are forced to deal with their estranged father following the death of their mother.
1:10:44So it's a laugh riot. And Elle Fanning is in it with Corey Michael Smith. I assume Elle Fanning is the sister. I don't know. I don't know. That's a bit confusing. I assume Stellan Skarsgård is the father. Yeah. He's in this film. Yeah. Never had a bad day in his life on a film set. You know how it seems that there's another Scandinavian actress I'm assuming listed here without a Wikipedia page who has a character name Agnes so I assume it's Renata Rensiv and Inga Ape's daughter Lilius You nailed it Thanks so much As Agnes Inga, that's a nice name That's kind of falling out of fashion Agnes is a nice name Obviously a huge fan of his work even though I added a middle name for him but I just feel like the The worst person in a world thing got just even bigger and bigger over time where like people reference it when they're doing like their letterbox.
1:11:38Like, oh, my four favorites, like that kind of thing. What are your four favorites? Jurassic World's Dominion.
1:11:49I don't know why that makes you laugh. I just, I need to interrupt this just to note that we are recording this on Michelle Obama's birthday. And Barack Obama has just posted a happy birthday message. Well, you would. You would. Exactly. But you would anyway. Yeah. Right? Happy birthday to the love of my life, Michelle Obama. 30 bucks. I'm so lucky to be able to take on life's adventures with you. Love you. 30 bucks for sentimental value. 35. 40. 50. 55. 60. It's hard to replicate what happened with the worst person in the world. Which is, we liked it a lot? Yeah. No, it just kind of, it elevated out of festival awareness into a kind of mainstream in America because of awards season and the introduction of a great new actress, Trier, who had been making movies for a while but became more of an international auteur who was well-known.
1:12:43And like, you know, went into the Criterion Collection, you know, nominated for Oscars. But isn't that like, I mean, couldn't you make the argument that that's how like Robert Eggers built his career? Totally. It's how Wes Anderson built his career. People started getting more and more excited about it. It's a test of, this movie is a test of that in some ways. So I'm betting. I'm betting on it. I like it. Okay. I respect it. Where is the bidding right now? Sean has it for$60. $70. $75. $80. $85. $90? I mean, I have some money, you know, but not that much. But I gotta, I gotta start getting some, some quality here.
1:13:18Some quality films. I'm, I'm, I'm good. I'm out. you're at 90? Mm-hmm. How passionate are you? 95? 100? Is there no, there's no ceiling for you. There's no limit. Like Mark Wahlberg and the gambler. Yeah, that's so true. I'm only, so I only made it like 15 minutes through your... The podcast or the movie? The podcast. But it was one of those things when I saw that you guys had done it. Yes. It brought me real joy. Thank you. Just like on the feed. But then... I'm glad there's one of you. And then I was listening and it was still in the we're taking Mark Wahlberg as an actor seriously portion of the podcast.
1:13:56So I'm looking forward to getting to like the gambler part of the podcast. Let's do$99. Amanda already bet$100. Let's do$110. Let's do$110. I have a good feeling about this. Okay. I mean I just have to decide whether it's what I want to do right now or I have a lot of other movies that I'm very passionate about the the 85 Metacritic is hard I think he gets it but I guess I can do it I mean I think that's true but I could also wait and try to do that later on those are rookie numbers for Joe Joe Buntrier
1:14:45the worst person in the world currently has a 91 score I met a critic 85 is a high number that you set that up it is that's why I did it so his previous film Oslo August 31st has an 84 that's Oslo's great Reprise has a 79 oh my god so he lives in that era Thelma is a 74 and Louder Than Bombs is a 70 he has a fucking condo in that Oslo August 31st was not his previous film but this was his first film second film I get it okay uh okay four movies now Sean has two Amanda has two interesting this is not how that usually goes I know this is also bad podcasting because then we're just gonna face off at each other and be kind of spiteful so don't so don't bid for a while so that you can stay in the mix I know okay alright I'm so happy to be here with both of you guys I'm also I'm not gonna finish my bid here and then not talk for an hour.
1:15:42Okay, that's true. Yeah. Also, did you know that Zinn has a rewards program? I just found out about that. That's horrifying. Is it called The Passport, just like J.Crew? The Zinn Passport? It says, collect, track, and redeem Zinn rewards. Okay. I'm going to put A Big, Bold, Beautiful Journey on the board for$50. Okay. This is a new film from Kogonada starring Margot Robbie and Colin Farrell. It's the first film since After Yang. I neglected to mention Columbus on the previous time I discussed it, one of my favorite movies of that year. Did people say, sir, you neglected to mention Columbus? Or you just remembered that you neglected?
1:16:23I just remembered I neglected to mention Columbus. I prefer Columbus to After Yang if I have to choose between Koganata films. Yeah. And this is, as Bob pointed out, a very mysterious logline in this movie, quite vague. It is coming out in May, so we would not have the opportunity to get it next time around. I'm just deeply intrigued, and I want it to be something special. And there's certainly a world where a movie like this gets awards recognition or crosses some sort of metacritic threshold, but I'm just curious about it. I just want to see it, and I hope for the best with it. It's what I'm in the business for.
1:16:56That's beautiful. Thank you. That's really exciting. So what did I say? $50. Okay. If I have to put a numerical value on my appreciation for the work of art and movies. Okay. sold to Sean for$50? Amazing. Yeah, there you go. Thank you so much. Okay, you're so welcome. You get another? Put another movie out. I just want to throw this out there. Yeah. A couple too many movies for my taste have very vague log lines that are like two people journey through time on an amazing adventure. That's not specific enough. Is the issue not enough dinosaurs in the description? Is the big picture a new mission statement?
1:17:32Is two people journey through time on an amazing adventure? Yeah. Yeah, two miscreants. But I wouldn't know that it's a movie podcast if I heard that. You know what I mean? Like, I want to know, is Coconut making a period piece? Is it a sci-fi futuristic piece? Is this movie about the Civil War? Which one? Alex Garland's? Abraham Lincoln's? You know? Well, they're both relevant. I don't agree with you, but there will be a trailer and marketing materials for this film, and we will find out probably within the next eight weeks. Okay. So I'm not too worried. Okay. Wouldn't you say? It's a movie that comes out on May 9th.
1:18:05I'd love to look forward to marketing materials. Something we discuss here on the show from time to time. We do. Okay, I have another movie to put out into the world. How do we circle the square in this conversation? How about the Phoenician scheme? Let's do it. I'm so excited for Michael Cera to join the Wes Anderson repertory company. Yeah. I feel like that's been something I didn't know I was dreaming, but I was. This is Wes's new movie. spy movie it's an espionage comedy category he's never really pursued before although if you look at his first couple of movies you can see his huge interest in those kinds of stories Benicio Del Toro Sarah Bill Murray Riz Ahmed Tom Hanks Benedict Cumberbatch Scarlett Johansson Charlotte Gainsbourg Rupert Friend Willem Dafoe Bryan Cranston it's a ridiculous cast as per usual now he's almost exclusively now working in mega ensemble almost all of his movies now have at least 10 notable names.
1:19:07Asteroid City has a 76 Metascore. I just, this is an abomination. Wake up, people. Wake up. Wake up. They got to wake up. I mean, I agree. Yeah, I mean, something has obviously happened with him where everybody is like, it's all the same now. We talked about it when we did the Asteroid City episode. And then I think we all rewatched Asteroid City and liked it even more when we rewatched it, which is the case for a lot of his movies where you come to appreciate it more deeply. But this one, like so many, co-written with Roman Coppola. You know, I assume it could be a Cannes premiere, could be a Fall Festival premiere, but it sounds like it will be out before the year is over.
1:19:47I'll put it on the board for 50 bucks. So tough one here. As you mentioned, Metacritic starting to be blind to his charms. Often he'll get like a screenplay nom here, an actor, supporting actor nom somewhere. but it rarely gets lavished. Yeah, it's overlooked. It's hard to imagine the Phoenician scheme making$100 million, but that's okay. Sometimes you want to just have a good slate. Yeah. So this isn't an effort to have a good slate. We can all agree on Wes Anderson and his greatness. Yes. So$50? Yeah. $100. Chris is out. You're out? I mean, you don't have to be. I'm out because I need a specific thing for my fifth to buttress.
1:20:33And I'm also out just because I love hearing you two talk. Oh, that's beautiful. I actually don't think that's true. Two people on a journey through time on a magical adventure. I do. What are you talking about? Do you? Oh, yeah. You guys? Sue, what do you need? You need a guaranteed Oscar? I think I'd like to get into the chin-scratching critic hive with my next pick. Okay. Yeah, you gotta look for another Von Trier film. Yeah. I will say, I do think Sean made a good point, is that it's slightly easier to do that in the second half of the year. I agree with you, yes. I'm just trying to share strategy with you so you can have what you want.
1:21:15This is me breaking my suggestion, obviously. I could have waited on this. No, and this is what I'm thinking. I mean, this could be Cannes. This could be early. Asteroid City was. Wes Anderson, a storied resident of Paris. I don't know if this movie has distribution right now. It will, though. But the fact that it doesn't means it's definitely not dated, which means it probably is the second half of the year. Yeah. So that's interesting. It's Indian Paintbrushes. The production company has always with all of Wes's movies, but usually by this point... Focus or whoever's. Yeah, or Sunny Pictures Classics or somebody's coming in.
1:21:48Do you think Focus is like, this one sucks? I hope not. That would be concerning. Although, they're probably beating their chest these days with the Nosferatu success. So, you know, how do they level up as a movie studio interesting question you don't care $100
1:22:05I don't really have a lot of money left to work with here so there's some challenges in that one and you also have you have two minutes left to fill it appears you have $714 left I can spend whatever I want okay I'll say 101 okay I'll say 102 202? What are we doing? Sierra, you're holding on to 315? Yeah, I could say I'm going to do... Can I get involved? Sure, why not? Okay, I'll do 150. Okay, I'll do 200. Okay. I think I want this. I think I would have brought this to the table myself. To the market? Yeah. Okay. I really love... You've got to gussy up the quality of your slate right now, too.
1:22:48I mean... You've got F1 and Megan 2.0. Okay. No disrespect, but you know. The work of Joseph Kaczynski means a lot to me and my family.
1:22:58So it's like, chill out. Has Nox seen Tron yet? No. I wonder if he would like it. The new Kaczynski Tron rematch. I'm seriously considering showing him a complete unknown. Because now he requests Bob Dylan. And the way he pronounces Bob Dylan is very cute. He and I can talk about Monica Barbaro in that film. I mean, I will also join that conversation. I spent a lot of time thinking about how beautiful she looks. But, you know, since it's mostly song performances and beautiful people, I think he would respond to that. Sure. He's digging on Bob. But, no, the Wes Anderson, how much did I bid? $200.
1:23:35$200. $200. One of my favorite filmmakers, I think we talked about how much we all slept on Asteroid City, even as we were like, what a revelation. I mean, it's… All the meta boys and girls as well. Yeah. Yeah. so and I like espionage movies it's yours and comedies you got it that's very exciting now it's your turn to recommend a movie oh great okay so I have Asteroid City so I have five no I misspoke it's Chris's turn I forgot Chris goes second so do we have like a are you like we have to get out of here soon no I'm here with you I'm feeling connected to you guys I kind of want to just talk about this movie I don't know I can't remember I don't think you did talk about it I'd anticipate it but I'm just going to throw it out there anyway.
1:24:19Running Man? Yeah. Yeah. Let's talk about it. Yeah. Do you think this will be good? Well, I think it's a very cool challenge for the two primary people responsible for it. Edgar Wright and Glenn Powell. Edgar Wright and Glenn Powell. Right. Because it is a big-time movie star part and it is a big-time franchise movie, which is something that Edgar has basically never done. You know, he did do Scott Pilgrim, which was IP in a way. but he's never had such a known property before. Two guys I love. Two guys whose stuff I dig. The Running Man is not my favorite story. It's not. It's not my favorite Arnold movie.
1:25:01It's not my favorite Stephen King thing. It isn't a thing that I love. I do think it was that story and the way that the movie is made is very prescient about the modern entertainment economy. I'm curious to see what they do with The Running Man now that The Running Man is pretty much like what you see when you watch television. Yeah. Yeah. Or look at your phone. Yeah. It's a little bit like people posting George Carlin clips on social media, you know, where you're like, he nailed it. He was there. Like he was. And people knew then. Just like when you watch The Running Man, you were like, yeah, okay, this is where we're going.
1:25:34So. Coleman Domingo, Josh Brolin, Lee Pace, and Michael Cera, and Katie O 'Brien is a great ensemble. Incredible. And even the idea of Lee Pace and Katie O 'Brien as the other like warriors go in to fight Glenn Powell is such a good idea. It'll be really, really, really well made and slick and stylish and energetic and cool. It's all about the script. I guess it's$100 million. What do you think? I don't know about that. I mean, if Twisters... Twisters made how much domestic? It did okay. It did like$200,$300, right? Yeah, over$100 for sure. Yeah, but Twisters is a phenomenon. But I'm saying like...
1:26:12Like Twister, the film, is like 10 years later and like a touch point for way more people. Right. The Running Man is like... Well, just because of time and... And it's a B Schwarzenegger movie probably. I'm going to go 100 just to get us started. And I think that this could be a box office hit. Maybe. So it's a November release. Oh, okay. I thought this was a summer release. It's November. It's an interesting November this year. It comes out on the same day as Predator Badlands. Oh, okay. Dan Trachtenberg's follow-up. That's going into theaters? It's going into theaters. Okay. Not a streaming release.
1:26:50You hear about this? It's like his last one. No, but like, sincerely, one of my favorite things is when you reenact Predator movies for me. No, you came in to my office for one of, like a 2018 one. Yeah. It was for the Shane Black one. So tell me what you know. Elle Fanning is in a Predator movie about two sisters running across, I bet, the Badlands. Okay. And probably being chased by Predators. Okay. Who's the sister? I don't know. Maybe it's Elle and Dakota. Maybe it's Elle playing twins. I have no idea. Okay. It would be fun if it were Dakota. Dan Trachtenberg has made a bunch of really good movies.
1:27:27I agree. I'm a big fan of his. Predator, Badlands, and The Running Man coming out on the same day is incredible bros smashing slushies together at the movie theater all afternoon situation. the following week is Now You See Me 3 the following week is Wicked For Good where are you on the NYSM experience I have loved talking to and hearing Jesse Eisenberg talk about how much he loves making those movies because he's like you might think I'm an idiot for saying this but let me tell you that character is nothing like the way that I am and so getting to be that guy that magician he's the most charming magician in the world and he's like I'm Jesse Eisenberg and a huge star made me more excited to go back and look at those movies.
1:28:12The new one's made by Reuben Fleischer, too, who's a director who I have a lot of time for despite some of his missteps over the years. I love Venom, obviously, and I really love Zombieland. So, you know, we'll see. Can I read you the run after Wicked for Good? Do I just have this for$100? You do. It has been like six and a half minutes. Utopia 2, Five Nights at Freddy's 2, Avatar, Fire, and Ash. and then something we're probably overlooking but Bobby can speak to it the Spongebob movie search for square pants I love some Spongebob movie but I don't think that's the one that I love hold on two sponges traveling across a landscape on a journey through time a big bold beautiful Spongebob that made me you know I know that the tentpole movies get dated first you don't want to be on the Spongebob episode I think I have seen some Spongebob from like a in a babysitting context sure what'd you think there's a really incredible Nosferatu Spongebob episode that's how I learned about Nosferatu okay that's cool that's great actually I like that and I know it means a lot to Bobby and his community so I'm happy for everyone okay you've got to put a movie up oh okay I guess so yeah Oh, I got my, I'm done.
1:29:36That's too bad. You also get$215 from Sean's back pocket though. So big win for you. That is nice. Okay. Got a lot more to spare. So. I've got two spots left. You've got two spots left. Right. We've got a combined 720 simoleons. Right. But you have$205 and I have$514. Correct. So I can just buy two movies that I want. If you'd like. But that doesn't seem really fun. Mm-hmm. But, like, do I want to be a real asshole and just take Battle of Bacton Cross from you? Well, we don't know if it's coming out this year. That's true. And I have been being like, I don't know about that. But, like— Battle of Bacton Cross is not going to cross any of the thresholds.
1:30:22You know, Leonardo DiCaprio can get a movie over$100 million just on himself. I know, but see, like, you're already, like, fidgeting because you look really upset. Well, no, I know. I see the narrative. Like now he, he creates these rules and then he gets in this situation and then the tables are turned and he's just, he's flustered. I'm not going to do it. I'm not. But like, I just want you to know that that's power that I have over you right now. You should do what you feel is right. That's what David Lynch would have said. That's what Paul Thomas Anderson would do. He'd say, Mike DeLuca cut the check.
1:30:55You know what, you know what David Lynch said? And this is advice you should take. Fix your heart or die. Okay. that's that's good advice I mean I'm not I look I just I want you to know that I could do that and I know could you imagine the things I could do to you you have no idea
1:31:16maybe I should have stayed in you were wise to get out when you did yeah the guy who's seen Den of Thieves right there this is why I told him to not do because then it just becomes really ugly are we getting two Bellany pills is this coming It would be ugly. I think it's coming out. I think I was fidgeting because I am annoyed preemptively by the PTA movie failed discourse. Yes. Okay. The Killers of the Flower Moon redux. I don't want to live through that. I think that's a huge waste of time. This movie, no reasonable person should give him $180 million or whatever to make a movie. It's super cool that it happened.
1:31:51Yes. And I will celebrate that fact. But from a financial strategy perspective, that seems weird. that this happened? I'm going to do Marty Supreme, 200 bucks. Great. Good pick. Okay, thank you. Josh Safdie's new movie coming up Christmas Day. About ping pong. About ping pong. About a real ping pong champion portrayed by Timothee Chalamet. Yeah. And co-starring Gwyneth Paltrow. Yeah. I only have$205, so I'll say$205, $204, because I need a dollar. I will say$206. Okay. So you take this. It's yours. I'm excited about this. I feel like this is a good movie for all of us. our interests great big picture movie and look at you yeah thank you so much a little slow getting out of the gate and then look at this look at this rotation was I slow getting out of the gate or was I generous to Sean and then just it seemed like you were slow I mean respectfully it seemed like you were just like yelling about vampires for 45 minutes you know it's her year and that's sick your podcast yeah that's really I liked the dinosaur bit so I really enjoyed that but I wasn't going to bid on that.
1:33:00So, you know. Okay. All right. What am I going to do? Should I do one for me? Should I do one? Wait, you said Marty Supreme and you bid on it. Do you have a, do you get to nominate a movie? No, she has two in a row. Oh, you have two. That's right. I'm going to, you know what I'm going to do because I can't get it next time and I'm going to spend all my money on it. Opus, written and directed by Mark Anthony Green, $308. stars Iowa Dibbery and John Malkovich. Yeah, but also it stars Iowa Dibbery and it's A24. I agree. I don't know if it's going to get to, maybe it could get to 100. I don't know.
1:33:37That would make it the first A24 movie to cross$100 million. That's fine. I, sometimes you can do things that you want and that's what I want to do. Absolutely. If you've proved nothing else about the world and yourself in the many years we've been doing this show together, it's sometimes you do what you want. I want to make a film that stars me about a man who loses his mind trying to recap Jurassic movies. And then you take it in an auction because you love me so much. You're just like$1 ,000 for Chris's. I will show you the life of the mind. But like, you know that just like your autobiographical project.
1:34:16Yeah. I would draft like every year for all the money. I appreciate it. I really think that there should be more content and art made about the Chris Ryan experience. Thanks. It's pretty boring right now, but I appreciate it. So you can do whatever you want and you're welcome. I guess I should have let you bid on Opus, but I want it. Are you going to take Havoc? You know that's actually coming out now. This is the actual Gareth Evans movie starring Tom Hardy. Tom Hardy fighting his way through the London Underground. Which I think was filmed in 1978. and they're finally they're letting it out of the cage now which is exciting for you why has this movie been on the shelf for four years I don't know okay any two movies I want from the entire movie your slate do it be true to yourself I'll take the battle of acting cross for one dollar okay a sort of inversion of the financial approach taken on the funding of this film Paul Thomas Anderson's new movie that I can't wait to see.
1:35:20This is the last time I will mention the discourse about that movie, by the way. I only brought it up because if you were to spend, say, a lot of money on this, if this had become like the first thing we threw out there and it went up to like$400, you'd be bummed out if it was like, actually, we're going to kick this to January, you know? That's true. I mean, that is literally what happened with Mickey 17, right? And it's the same studio. It's plausible that happens another time. Hmm. What is the next movie that I want? So let's just kind of look at your you get a Mission Impossible that's going to be a blockbuster 28 you probably get a blockbuster there A Big Bold Beautiful Journey that's the Koganada movie yeah so you're hoping for Metacritic there and possibly an Oscar Bacton no it was 50 bucks so I was hoping for a good movie that was honestly my thinking okay and also a movie that we're not gonna I would not be able to bid on next year and then Bacton you know there's a lot of things that could happen there it also could not come out so you need it's unusual for PTA movies to not get Oscar nominations yep just putting that out there yeah so I feel like I can at least lean on that Metacritic is a coin flip but if this is like a wacky inherent vice type comedy yeah more challenging should we just do the Metacritic game for Paul Thomas Anderson quickly sure he's got 5 over 85 that's a lot okay what are they Bob it's The Master Hoogie Nights Licorice Pizza Phantom Thread and There Will Be Blood yeah okay yeah um so any movie I want let's look at my list hmm now I could hurt you okay go ahead but I won't do it alright I won't do it because that's not what I'm about I mean I have not done it twice now I have been the bigger person times 3 ,000 on this podcast and you've literally no one would agree with that not a single soul would agree that you were ever the bigger person I gave you Mission Impossible and I didn't take Battle of Back and Cross from you I gave it to you you got it for one dollar John I did So, you know.
1:37:19Are these the tales you tell yourself? Let's pick a movie. I'm going to take my time. This is why we need you to hang in. Yeah, I know. I'm sorry. It's okay. You guys can chat. I was trying to bring Running Man up as like a conversation topic. Yeah, I'm just not. I kind of got distracted. I'm real, real mixed on Edgar Wright. You know, it can work for me or it cannot. I mean, there's some huge movies here, Sean. I love you, Glenn Powell. There's some what? huge movies that you can just get for cheap or you can be like I'm gonna I know I don't really need a huge movie at the moment well then is the thing I'm thinking about take Deliver Me From Nowhere brother I don't know what that is oh is that Bruce Springsteen yeah oh is that coming out I mean it's I think they're almost done shooting it I think you should try to get that next time around do you know that Inaritsu's movie is supposed to come out this year maybe no 26 but they already shot it started shooting in November 26 it's dated I think okay another Apple movie Tom Cruise Yeah.
1:38:17Talking about movies, they're good. Mickey 17, still available. And March 17th release. Man, that voice. Too much? Good? Nah. You don't like it? Not into it. I'm sure it'll be cool in the movie, but that's a tough beat. Where are you at on our pets? I like it. We know you love Twilight. Those are your favorite of these films. I'm really, really pro. Yeah, I know. I just want to restate that. I don't know. I was trying to participate in the conversation. Oh, dude. You know what I wish I had picked? What's that? Caught Stealing. Yeah, Aronofsky. You're back. Oh, yeah. Austin Butler is an ex-baseball player who's in the New York...
1:38:54It's really... It's like a deep conflict for me, right? Hmm. What's up with your boy David Robert Mitchell's new movie? It was pushed to 2026 by Warner Brothers. Flowervale Street, starring Anne Hathaway. I think it's about dinosaurs. I think they saw the Jurassic World Rebirth train coming. They said, we got to get off the tracks. Are you psyched about Catherine Bigelow's Missile Strike movie? I'm not not striked. I'm not not stoked. I'm a little bit concerned about the timing. Okay, so here's one thing I'll say to you. Okay. That was an example of what I'm referring to. Here's one thing I will say to you.
1:39:30You could just say it. I actually can't because you guys talk over me all the time. No, do we? So it's, yeah. It's not the case. Be that as it may, Amanda. As a working woman, I got to seize the floor. do you the schedule maestro
1:39:49anticipate drafting or auctioning before July 11th because otherwise it won't be there for you yeah we usually do run it the first week of July so you're talking about Superman I've thought about it what if I'm on vacation what if I strategically sounds like we got a two man auction coming vacation that's not an advice do you want to go away on vacation for Superman I'm helping you and also warning you all at once, you know? This only happened because I suggested that she go on vacation in July so that she doesn't have to talk about Superman on the pod. Is it that? Is that? So Superman is July 11th.
1:40:25So it would, yeah. Why are you so upset about Superman? She thinks she's like Angela Merkel or something where she's just like, I have allowed for all of these things to transpire. Like, we know, man. Well, I'm just letting you know if we auction on July 12th. Amanda I'll just put Mallory in your chair what are you talking about man see you're gonna try to okey dokey on Superman by going on vacation I'm not okey dokey you I can't take it I'm just letting you know is that what we're talking about here no but I don't want it in this instance I don't want it no delivery from nowhere probably not coming out this year I'll take Eddington this is Ari Aster's new movie is it a western or is it a contemporary road trip movie it's a western I don't know when it's set.
1:41:12I don't know a whole lot about it. There's not a lot about it out there in the world. It's got an incredible cast. Nice job, Hollywood. Just tell me when the fucking movie is set. You think it's a disinfo campaign? I just think they're doing a bad job getting people psyched about stuff. Do you think that the name The Battle of Bacton Cross will be the name of the movie? Do you think the movie will be called The Battle of Bacton Cross? No, I don't. I don't. What do you think it'll be called? You don't. It's going to be called like Shutter Island 2.
1:41:40what if it is Shutter Island 2 great you really brought it today you both brought it today great stuff guys thank you shall we recap our picks sure okay Amanda why don't you start okay I see that really stayed with you I have Miss Regan 2.0 how much for$30 somehow she started speaking Elvish which just to clarify is not a prequel because I got that wrong last time not a prequel yeah okay F1 for$256 The Phoenician Scheme for$200 Marty Supreme for$206 and Opus for$308 it's a good lineup agreed Chris Sinners for$270 Highest to Lowest for$205 Jurassic World Colon Rebirth for$100 Sentimental Value by Joe Akeem Trier for$110 and Running Man, Edgar Wright's Glenn Powell movie for$100.
1:42:47And how much did you leave on the board there? $215. Did I carry that over? That does not carry over, sadly. Should we start doing that? I don't think it's an issue of like, oh, I don't have enough. We should have done that. I mean, I guess we could do it. Do you know what I would rather do? I would rather be able to buy another slot. Well, what just happened to me could work to my advantage long term. Right. In the future. And it also would have kept us actually drafting. Yes. So maybe we should do it in 2026. We'll definitely be doing this show. We're learning. It's definitely going to last that long.
1:43:19We're learning and growing. Absolutely. Yes. We're learning a lot. We're growing a lot. I can't tell if this is a bit. I'm growing.
1:43:28I am growing in my appreciation for the Mission Impossible franchise, which I acquired for$390, The Final Reckoning, because Amanda gave it to me. 28 years later, I got for$355. A Big Bull Beautiful Journey, I got for$50. The Battle of Bacton Cross, I got for$1. And Eddington, I got for$204. I don't know. I'm quite curious to know how many, maybe we can circle back to this, how many Oscar nominations are in this first slate. That's a great, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think that the final 28 movie will be called At the End of the Day colon Zombies. Be that as it may comma zombies it is what it is.
1:44:15I don't think there are any Oscar nominations in our first slate. Challengers. I might get a couple. We'll probably get one. I guess Chris will have Dune part two. I'll get Dune below the line stuff. Maybe Gladiator 2 below the line. Yeah and I'll have Nosferatu below the line but not really any above the line stuff. Well Dune will probably get nominated for best picture right? It will. It will for sure. So quickly before we wrap Denis it looks like he's not going to make it right? Like you're the Denis guy. I am a Denis guy. Some might say the. Yeah. The. I would say that that my love of him peaked with Arrival though.
1:44:53Like you know what I mean? Like I've enjoyed this Dune experience. Peaked with Arrival and not Sicario? Well wasn't Sicario previous to Arrival? Like I'm saying like on the train up the mountain. The funicular up the mountain. You kept going from... But wouldn't... Sicario is your passion. Yes. And then it stayed at Arrival? Yeah. Like I love Enemy. I love Prisoners. I love Sicario. I love Arrival. And then I have appreciated the Dune movies, but I do feel like we've lost like six years of a great filmmaker just making cool shit. But Dune's great. I'm happy for him. So it peaked with Sicario, plateaued with Arrival.
1:45:31I suppose. Yeah. I don't really understand mountains. Thank you so much. I don't really either. Hmm. Okay. So you're like good and you don't deserve it, didn't you? That's what you're saying? No, that's not what I said. That's not what I said. What are you saying? I'm saying that we should see if we can change the academy rules to nominate prisoners for Best Picture this year. Prisoners, you know, it's got some flaws, Chris. What is it about that story that you connect to? Jake Gyllenhaal's character. Is that the... Why shopping for baby clothes? Oh my God. What you doing at the mall? Detective Loki?
1:46:07Yeah. I don't think I have an Oscar in my slate here. I guess I'm holding out hope for the Denzel one. Everybody thought he was going to win for Gladiator, and he's not. Did we pick him to win for Gladiator in our bets? We didn't, right? Remember we did the bet in September? Yeah, I do. I think I maybe picked Clarence Macklin. which would be incredible, but I don't really think that it's going to happen, unfortunately. No, Kieran Culkin is going to happen for sure. That's another thing where I'm like a real pain. Like a good movie that's taken up a little too much space. Okay? Okay. That's where I am with it.
1:46:49Everywhere you go, people are saying, ma 'am, have you seen a real pain? I just also, Kieran Culkin is very good in it and has won several Emmys for his work in Succession, which I might posit is indistinguishable from what he's doing in a real pain. And I really like him. I hope he keeps working forever. I enjoy his awards acceptance speeches. It's not who I would give this supporting actor Oscar to this year. You would give it to? Clarence Macklin from Sing Sing. In the big Oscar bet, Amanda, you did pick Clarence Macklin. And Sean, you picked Guy Pearce. Sight unseen, I believe. Yeah, but we kind of knew, you know?
1:47:28Yeah. You both had Kieran Culkin nominated. Yeah. I did love the potential narrative for Guy Pearce, which is playing out in the marketing and press around the movie. A lot of like, I think he's now been profiled in Vanity Fair and the New York Times. A lot of people being like, you motherfuckers forgot this guy. Circa LA Confidential and Memento was set to be the golden one and then was not for reasons because I guess some guy at Warner Brothers who didn't, like Guy Pearce, didn't allow him to be in Chris Nolan movies. That was one of my, Do you read that? Oh, wow. It was a crazy factoid that he shared in the Vanity Fair interview where he was like some guy at Warner Brothers said no to me appearing in future Nolan movies and so he just didn't show up in any Nolan movies after Memento which is just an amazing sliding door.
1:48:12Yeah. You could think of so many different parts that he could have played. Could have been Batman. Could have been any of the villains. Could have been in Inception. Could have been in Interstellar. You could have seen him in Dunkirk. You could have seen him in any of those movies. Yeah. Trying to think of who he would be in Inception. Tom Hardy. it's a very similar kind of thing not as burly obviously but that kind of charming darling thing you could see Guy Pearce doing that right? we would lose Tom Hardy in Inception though he could have been Joseph Gordon-Levitt in that movie he might be a little older but change the character of Smidge yeah he might have been a little old at that point I don't know could have been Kenneth Branagh in Dunkirk you know?
1:48:49yes why not? boom could have been Kenneth Branagh in Tenet that would have been a better movie oh oh yeah I mean And Kenneth Branagh's pretty good in both of them, to be honest. He's super hammy in Tenet. I mean, it fits the movie. Yeah, but it's like he's on like a yacht being arrested. He's Roman Abramovich. Yeah, he's supposed to be. Yeah. Who would he be in Interstellar? Damon?
1:49:14No. Interstellar. I haven't seen that in a long time. He would be... Yeah, honestly. I mean, unless you were going to give him McConaughey, I guess he would be Damon. Yeah, it's really the only choice. Is there no other male co-lead or supporting actor? You haven't gotten involved in the Interstellar revival? No, I watched it during COVID and tried to have as open a heart as possible. And I like it. I just don't love it. And I know that for many people, it is like the apex of movie making in the 2010s. But it's a movie that just does too much explaining for me. It feels very overridden. That's just me.
1:49:53I wish nothing but the best for all the Interstellar. I can't imagine if you got to another planet and Sean was there with a podcast set up. It was just you and him potting, waiting for me to come. Suggesting that's not what it feels like for Amanda right now. She goes home to the aliens and then she comes here with another alien. Yeah. Well, guys, thank you very much. Thanks for listening to The Big Picture. I hope you're having a wonderful Monday in America. Thank you to Bobby Wagner, our producer, for his work on this episode. Thanks to Jack Sanders for his work. Later this week, we will be talking about the Academy Award nominations.
1:50:26The Academy just sent me an email that says we are in fact holding our event on Thursday, January 23rd to announce they actually shared the order in which the Oscar nominations will be announced. Oh, wow. Who is presenting them? I didn't read that far in the email. Okay. Shall I pull it up again? Yeah, let's do it. Okay. Please hold. It does not say. Okay, great. Good job. I guess they're waiting. Or maybe they don't know yet. Do you think that they should have you and I do it with live commentary on each award nomination? Yeah. Do you think that would do well? So you can no-sell Kieran Culkin's nomination.
1:50:57Listen, I wish him the best. I really liked the profile of him in New York Magazine promoting A Real Pain and Emma Stone's, you know. Rule. Yeah, reverse psychology. That's all great. I just, I would give the Oscar elsewhere. That's all. Chris, where are you going after this? I have to go pick up some frames. Like some paintings that have been framed. It's been a long process. Some paintings. And I was going to maybe get a turkey sandwich. Turkey sandwich. Yeah. From? Cookbook. Oh, that's a really good turkey sandwich. And Marshmite. Yeah. Does that mean you'll be having sex in between those two acts?
1:51:36It's about 20 blocks between the framing store and Marshmite. Anything can happen. Cheetah's in that zone. What about you, Amanda? What are you going to be doing this afternoon? I was going to go see Hard Truths. Oh, that's nice. I'm going to see The Brutalist. Oh, wow. How many times is this now? This will be my third time. Okay. Can I just ask why you're seeing it? Or just because you're like, I have... The next time that we speak, barring another act of God, I will have seen The Brutalist. The next time we speak to each other? I'm certain that's not true. I'll be texting you in like two hours.
1:52:10Well, I was trying to include everyone who's listening this far. The next time you guys are talking together. Yes, it'll be the last time that we are all here together and that's the we that includes this wonderful community that we built here at The Big Picture. The royal we. I will have seen The Brutalist. Okay. I'm going to try my best. What do you think will happen after that happens? I don't know. What if I love it? I could. I would honestly be surprised if you were like, this is bad. I don't. I would be legitimately surprised. I'm not in that headspace. Banana! Thank you for listening to The Big Picture.
1:52:47We'll see you soon. Thank you.
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Sean and Amanda are joined by Chris Ryan to draft, in auction format, some of the movies they’re most excited for this year. They review the results and the rules from last year’s two auctions before launching into this year’s slate, including some mega-blockbusters like ‘Mission: Impossible—The Final Reckoning,’ ‘Jurassic World Rebirth,’ and ‘F1,’ as well as some smaller but still exciting indies like ‘Marty Supreme’ and ‘The Phoenician Scheme.’
Hosts: Sean Fennessey and Amanda Dobbins
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Senior Producer: Bobby Wagner
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