The 2026 Golden Globes: ‘One Battle After Another’ vs. ‘Hamnet’ Begins

26:42But she's kind of present in all of those. She's been very strong throughout that race. Yes. She hasn't been pushed aside. But Tiana Taylor has too. Amy Madigan was there sitting with Ed Harris and they were chuckling and also looking kind of like, what's going on? The way that we looked on our Instagram lives. So I really related to them. They actually are grandma and grandpa, though we're not. So they have an excuse of having lived. They also they were both wearing their reading glasses, which maybe it's time for us. Might be time. So, no, I think Tiana Taylor is very much in the mix, though.

27:11I agree that this feels less settled. I like this speech. And, you know, it kind of built in momentum to, you know, a tribute to all the other brown and black women and especially little girls watching this. And that was very lovely. It was moving. And she was like, she was pumped, you know. She was pumped. And kind of like danced off the stage, I believe, to my boo, Ghost Town DJ. That's right. Yes. So, yeah, you were mocking the music. But listen. Well, that was cool. I liked that. All right. And she gave a little, she did a little groove off the stage. I think I've said this before, but I think back on meeting Teyana Taylor in 2008 when she came into the Five Magazine office and she was like, I'm going to be a huge star.

27:49And I was like, who are you? And she may be an Academy Award winner. Best performance by a male actor in a supporting role. Right. Now, this was surprising. This to me was the lone true surprise of the night. Not that it was an unwarranted victory, but we both picked Benicio Del Toro to win. He has been the chalk pick in this category throughout the season. I was proclaiming that I feel like there's a strong chance that Jacob Elordi has a powerful upset in him in this category you were like I think this is gonna happen yes at the Oscars in a few months and maybe it's the other way maybe it's what happened tonight maybe it's Stellan Skarsgård for Sentimental Value I could see it I was kicking myself because when we were doing our predictions I you know I picked Inger Ibsen or Lilius from Sentimental Value and Supporting but I remember saying aloud oh but like maybe they'll do the Supporting for Stellan in Supporting Actor and that turned out to be the case.

28:42But there is a huge amount of support for Sentimental Value. I told you on our live that my husband watched Sentimental Value yesterday, absolutely loved it, and then was just basically like, Amanda, what's wrong with you? You know. A common refrain that's come in your direction. I'm working through it. I liked it, and I just didn't, you know, emotionally get there. So maybe I will. But I thought he gave a great speech. He gave a wonderful speech. You know, he spoke very briefly about the people who worked on the film with him and had brief remarks. He had a very amusing dedication to his wife that indicated some sort of sexual power.

29:18And his children. And his children, yes, who have been telling him what a bad father he's been in recent years. And he and Alexander Skarsgård have been on the trail together and they've been very funny together. But then he spent a minute of his speech talking about the importance of seeing movies in movie theaters. He said, let cinema be seen in cinemas. and he was the only person to talk about that all night at this moment when, you know, the Netflix executives are sitting nearby the Warner's executives, nearby the Paramount executives and there's this like, there obviously is this real sense of doom around theatrical movie going in Hollywood the last year or so and he spoke to it.

29:51Yeah. Someone else did give an acceptance speech about how they proposed to someone in a movie theater but I can't remember right now. I think it was another producer accepting which we'll get to. Okay. Best original song. So Golden from K-Pop Demon Hunter is one. We picked both of this. We're going to need to work on this speech before we get to the... It's okay. You know, it's your first time accepting. Not everyone, you know, nails it when they get up there, but we're going to need to work on tempo. We're going to need to work on focus. I want this for Golden. I just... We got to practice and economize.

30:30E.J.'s acceptance speech, one of the co-writers of Golden. And she spoke with a tremendous amount of sincerity and burst into tears. Yes. And she said all she wanted to do when she grew up was be an idol. Now, if you've seen the film and you've heard the song, You're Idol. Yeah. There's some acknowledgement. She quoted herself in the speech. I didn't have a - I think it was more the energy that was a little off. It was the energy. It was the pacing. Like I said, we got to practice and focus. It's okay to be surprised. but like we do need to prepare for the inevitable Oscar win. So let's, let's, we've, we've learned, we're all about learning and growing here on the big picture.

31:11You're not campaigning for train dreams from train dreams by Nick Cave. Uh, that was a perfectly predictable win. Yes. We both did predict that. Best original score. You mentioned Lovie Garansson from sinners won this. We didn't see it. You predicted this. Yeah. best original screenplay. Yeah. Best screenplay, period. Only one screenplay category at the Golden Globes. We both predicted Ryan Coogler. Right. Because I think we were trying to account for the, you can't just give cinematic and box office achievement to just sinners and that be the only award they win. They surely wouldn't do that, right?

31:49And also, because I do think we think it has a real chance in original screenplay at the Oscars. I think it's a frontrunner. Yeah. I feel it's a frontrunner. Obviously, one battle after another is considered an adaptation, but they were competing against each other in this category. Paul Thomas Anderson won for one battle. I love this speech. It was wonderful. He talked a lot about how he's a magpie and that he steals from everybody. And he cited stealing from Shayla McHale, also known as Jungle Pussy, who's in the film in a line from her, which appears on the note, that Tiana Taylor's character writes.

32:24Talked about Nina Simone, Thomas Pynchon, of course, whose novel he worked on. he adapted. So I thought that was a really, really good speech. Very low key. PCA was very subdued tonight. Very easygoing. He cradled both awards like little babies. Yes, he said, I got a GG. Yeah. That's cute. It was nice. It was a nice moment. I do think that he and Ryan Coogler are the strong front runners in those categories. Best performance by a female actor, musical, or comedy. Now you predicted Rose Byrne and she did win. I picked at Emma Stone because I was like, I don't know what's going on here. Maybe this will happen.

32:59And as we discussed, begonia is rising. Well, it's just been very consistent at all of the various guilds. And I was just talking with my wife, Eileen, this morning, and she just watched it last night. She was like, that begonia, pretty good. She was like, just like any other person I met, I was like, I like that a lot. Yeah, it's pretty good. It's very solid. And as you have pointed out, Emma Stone is in the Streep Zone. And if she's in a movie, people are gonna people are gonna pay attention she's really liked and respected in the industry Yorgos Lanthimos is also really liked and respected and Julia Roberts gave Emma Stone a kind of yeah kind of vague shout out like Emma Stone yeah you're here awesome you know I didn't even she didn't even know what to say after Julia Roberts got her standing ovation for just being Julia Roberts but Emma Stone you know working she's working she's trying to split the atom of Julia and Meryl yeah that's literally what she's trying to have in her career I love her Roseburn won though and I thought gave the speech in the night I thought her speech was sincere, nice, thoughtful, spoke to the film and how hard it was to make that film, which is a very small independent film.

34:02If I had legs, I'd kick you. And then just had some like daffy, funny stuff. I mean, I wrote it down. The last thing she said was, I want to thank my husband, Bobby Cannavale, who couldn't be here because we're getting a bearded dragon. And he went to a reptile expo in New Jersey. So thank you, baby. And then just walked it off stage. It was perfect. Very great moment. And also, you know, done with perfect comedic timing, even though she was, I think she was surprised and moved and like, but still found her way to talking about what it means for such a small film to win an award like this and the recognition and then, you know, Reptile Expo forever.

34:39She's been winning a lot. I know. Now, let's talk about it when we talk about Jesse Buckley. Okay. Yeah. I also love that movie. I think it's an amazing achievement. And it doesn't work without her, obviously. The camera is on top of her face the whole time. I thought her shout out to Mary Bronson was really nice. You can see Mary Bronson was really moved in the audience. To me, this is the good of award shows. It's like shine a light on a movie like this. Shine a light on sentimental value. Shine a light on a movie that you haven't heard of that you might be interested in. It's like, this is the upside.

35:10I have some notes for the Golden Globes that we can talk about at the end of this show about what their value is and what their purpose is. Historically, they've been very receptive to those. So I think you should give them. No, the problem is they've been too receptive. That's actually the issue is they've been listening and I'm worried about that. But we'll keep going through these categories. So best performance by a male actor, musical or comedy. I think this is where I was personally trying to manifest some drama. Okay. And I'm fascinated by there being not the drama I thought there was going to be.

35:40So Timothee Chalamet won. He did. In this category. And then he has given his second consecutive fairly mild mannered. Very subdued. Reserved, humbled speech. In this speech, he talked about how his dad taught him the importance of gratitude. Yes. He did, you know. Would you say that's something that you practice? I do. Do you? Yeah. I mean, I don't have. To whom? I don't have a journal or anything. To myself, primarily. Yes, of course you do. I'd like to thank myself for being myself. No, no, no. Being thankful for other things. But I don't really share it. I don't write it down. Do you keep a journal of any kind?

36:16Well, I have a dream journal in my mind. Sure. but you don't dream. So that's why I have it here. So when I'm sitting back and thinking of my dreams, I have to put them somewhere in the brain bin. He kind of made half a joke about like, if you told young me that I'd be thanking Mr. Wonderful from Shark Tank. Yes. That was at the end of thanking everyone in the cast. But it was, it was again, the energy has been turned way down. He's running from Marty Hauser. Yeah. He turned back into Elio from Call Me By Her Name. I'm like, what happened to all the swagger? He really, he turns it off. Once the movie was a financial success, he was like, this is about keeping my head on straight and being a humble young man in the face of all of this adulation.

37:01Seems like it's going to work. I guess so. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely seems like he has a very, very, very good chance to win this race. I think so too, yeah. And that is historically anomalous. It is extremely rare for a young man to win Best Actor. Sometimes you'll find guys in their 40s, You know, Cillian Murphy just won for Oppenheimer recently after, you know, amassing a pretty good body of work. More often, it's an older actor who's been waiting a long time and getting their due. Leo had to wait a long time. He did. And this would be interesting. We'll be talking about it a lot, obviously, for the next couple of months.

37:32But this is a big deal. This is a big win for him because, you know, he didn't win this last year either. Adrian Brody won this at the Globes. And we thought, oh, maybe, you know, Timothy's going to come from behind because he won SAG. But so this now he's got a Globe. He's got an actor award. and maybe soon an Oscar. No, Critics' Choice. He hasn't won. No, he won the SAG Award last year. That was his speech for greatness. Oh, I thought you meant this year. No. But I think, but he's... No, I mean, he won for a complete unknown. Right, right, right. So on his shelf now, he has SAG, Critics' Choice, Globe.

38:03But I do think for this year's SAG Awards, based on the nominees that we have, Vagnamore is not in the running because those are very American. So you can... that is maybe trending Timmy's way, I think. This race is turning out to be, I've been trying to manifest the Leo win because it just feels right to me in some ways. And maybe I'm just kind of responding to what I know about Oscar history instead of what the Oscars are now. But his kind of non-competitiveness in this race is kind of fascinating to me. The fact that I did share with you some odds over the weekend that I was looking at, which happened to be on Polymarket.

38:41Little did I know they would appear on the telecast tonight. And Timmy's way ahead. I mean, he's like 65%. Yeah. And I think Leo was at like 20 % over the weekend. So it's interesting. It kind of feels like the way we used to treat Leo in all these other races when he was nominated in the past where it was like, oh, he's not going to win. You'd be like, why not? Yeah. I don't know whether some of it is just that we are in like the Marty Supreme surge right now. And it's been the month of Timmy. And the awards and all of the critics' bodies did coincide with that. I think that's right. won battle and is is also like presumptive winner in so many categories that people are just kind of like yeah yeah yeah Leo whatever and sometimes it's that's just the timing of how these things shake out it did feel like maybe Benicio del Toro or Sean Penn may have fallen victims right as well cinematic and box office achievement yeah I picked Avatar I was playing fast and loose there sinners which was you know a completely inspired pick by you and was right thank you and And I don't love that being the only win besides score.

39:45You know, the one other win not being on the telecast. It's like, it's not, that's not good. It's deeply insulting. The concept of this award is insulting. The fact that this and score are the only two awards that Sinners took tonight. Yes. Is insulting. Well, there's something really interesting. And it's certainly ironic that a movie that was kind of like scolded and undermined around its box office potential in public by the trades and by box office analysts went on to win this award. But also it kind of indicates this sort of what feels a little paternalistic and it's like, okay, you got your box office now.

40:21Be happy with that quality. You know, there's no way to like definitively affirm that that is what is going on. But it feels that way from the outside when you see this be the only major award that this film, which is going to end up having a lot of Oscar nominations and is, you know, another kind of link in the chain of what Kugler is building. But like you saw Kugler on stage give his speech. He's the fucking man. Everybody loves him. Like him and Chloe Zhao shouting him out because they're old friends because they were worked at the Sundance Labs together like 15 years ago. He is a very beloved figure, but stuff like this where it's like a weird cabal of people and they're like, yeah, we'll give sinners this weird award.

40:54Yeah. Just kind of left a sour taste in my mouth. Agree. Best director. Paul Thomas Anderson won again. We both predicted this. this is not surprising. I was doing, I was trying to do a lot of math strategy around what this category is going to look like at the Oscars because we got all these guild results. So we talked about this on the pre-show. If you heard it already, I apologize. But at DGA, the nominees were Paul Thomas Anderson, Ryan Coogler, Guillermo del Toro, Chloe Zhao, and Josh Safdie. Yes. It was very exciting for Josh Safdie. We were pumped for him. We want him to get into this category.

41:31Joachim Trier, and Jafar Panahi were nominated tonight. Safdie was not nominated. And as you said, it was just an accident got blanked. Sentimental value only won one award. Joachim Trier made the shortlist for BAFTA, but Guillermo del Toro and Jafar Panahi did not. Yes. And so it definitely seems like there's a world where Josh Safdie gets in, but more likely, as you pointed out, DGA usually gets four out of five, right? And then there's usually an international film that comes in, but maybe it was just an accident. It's not as strong as we thought. Yeah. Maybe it's Joaquin Trier. Or maybe now everyone gets their, like, gets a bee in their bonnet and is like, no, no, no.

42:08What about, it was just an accident. What about Sentimental Value? Which has a lot of support. It does. Like, especially among, it was in all the directors' favorite movie of the year list. It was. Over and over and over again. So, until, you know, 8.13 local time tonight, I was like, oh, so maybe the four out of five will be... Paul Thomas Anderson, Ryan Coogler, Del Toro, and Josh Safdie. And then Chloe Zhao's out. And then, of course, you know. And so I know that's wrong. I'll tell you who's vulnerable right now. You might not think it, but Frankenstein had zero wins tonight. I know. It's very strange.

42:49And Del Toro not on the BAFTA long list, which is 10 filmmakers, is odd. Very odd. And him getting into DGA is not shocking because he has a tremendous amount of support in America. He's obviously a Mexican filmmaker, but he has been working in America for a very long time. And, you know, he has a whole community of other directors. He's like James Cameron's best friend, who's a filmmaker that talked about. James talked about that on The Town with Matt. And so that's kind of an interesting one to parse out. I look forward to seeing what happens on the 22nd with that one, because that fifth slot could be any number of films and might be indicative of other aspects of the race.

43:24PTA One gave a great speech. Lovely. you know he dedicated this speech to two people if you heard me talk about how one battle after another got made on our one battle mailbag episode about how his long relationship with Mike DeLuca yeah kind of allowed for a movie like this to come along some 30 years after they made Boogie Nights together he talked in depth about how DeLuca has been an avid supporter of his a kind of benefactor in some ways for many of his films over the years and then he went on to thank Adam Sumner to whom One Battle is dedicated. That's a longtime assistant director who worked with Steven Spielberg and PTA and a number of other people and died last year very tragically.

44:07And so I thought that was also a very nice speech by Paul. Best motion picture animated. The winner was Elio. It was really exciting. Congrats to the producers of Elio. Yeah. No, it was K-pop Demon Hunters. Oh, right. Yeah. Right. That's great. Ted Sarandos stood up, standing ovation for that one. Wow. Yeah. Thank you to Sony Pictures Animation as well. Best motion picture, non-English language. Mm-hmm. Now, you chose The Secret Agent. I did. I chose It Was Just an Accident. Yes. I think we both had the same thought, which is like, it was just an accident that has to get a big win here. Right.

44:47I mean, it was nominated in so many categories, and it did win the Palme d 'Or. It is sort of strange that it got blanked. Yes. So this was my thinking here. Yours also very sound. And The Secret Asian, of course, did win. It has now won the New York Film Critics Circle Award for International Non-English Language, the Los Angeles Film Critics, the National Society of Film Critics, Critics' Choice, and Globes. this is if you had told me the day after Cannes ended even though that this film won best director Klaiber Mendoza-Filio won best director and did Wagner Moore also win best actor Cannes?

45:23I think he did even still he did I would have thought either the Palme d 'Or winner or the Grand Prix winner would be the front runner in this race and the secret agent is the front runner in international right now and that is very interesting Klaiber gave a speech that I thought was quite good and just as it was starting to get going they started playing him off it was the only time someone was truly played off tonight yeah and that was incredibly rude really lame yeah I don't all of the choices to kind of like cut out the celebration of film and filmmakers suck tonight and they got to do something about that any other thoughts about secret agent winning Brazil yeah you fear it but you respect it I do I acknowledge it yes you know it's a large land mass underestimated at your peril.

46:10Yes. Do you think Neon will go five for five in this category at the Oscars? No. Okay. If I had to put money on it, I would probably put the voice of Hendra Job in this category. Okay, yeah. And say either one of Sirat or No Other Choice are out. Okay. But I don't know. All right. How do you feel? I think Neon is very good at this category. I think... And I do wonder whether this is like the conclusion of Neon Gaming, the international feature category, and then they redo it. But like, no disrespect. I love what they're doing with getting these films in front of people. It's really cool. I was mentioning they Know Other Choice did really good business this weekend.

46:49It was on like over 2 ,000 screens. It made almost$4 million. Like, it's doing really well. And I want for that. I do think it's a little weird to go to Cannes and just like buy every movie you think is going to win the Palm and be like, we're going to put all these out and it's going to be okay. And then they all compete against each other all year long. It's a little weird. I mean, I say that more as like we've talked about how they need to redo international feature as a category. And that it's... I don't think it should be one film per country. Yeah. I completely agree. But so, that, you know, maybe, you know, Neon's strategy has brought a lot of wonderful films.

47:21And I hope they keep doing that. And then maybe we also then redo that category slightly. Best performance by a female actor in a drama. Yeah. Jessie Buckley was predicted by both of us and she won. Yes, she did. She gave a nice speech. Mm-hmm. Very sincere. She seemed surprised, which is a little hard to believe. Yeah, she was visibly shaking in one of the camera angles. I think it is probably pretty stressful to get up in front of all of those people and know that you're being watched by millions more and have to give a speech. I see. I would find it stressful. You think you'll win a Golden Globe?

47:59I don't, actually. You don't? Because I don't really, I don't know if I have a spare five. Take a note of that. I don't have a spare, what is it? 5 ,000 or what? Oh, to submit? Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's going to preschool. I'm looking forward to being on stage next year. You'll be winning? What will you be winning for? Us three. Oh, wow. Oh, for best podcast. Ringer goes back to back. You think they'll be submitting us? Yes, and I will be the one accepting the award, of course. I fully accept that. I'm down with that, Jack. If we win, if we win, it is my solemn promise to you, you will be the only person who speaks.

48:34Okay. Okay. Sounds good. Buckley versus Rose Byrne. I mean, I think we know it's going to be Buckley, but I'm loving the Rose Byrne. I mean, if it's a sudden, I mean, this is not an exact comparison, but if, was it Olivia Colman defeating Glenn Close? Mm-hmm. You know, where it's at the last moment and then Olivia Colman just yelling, Lady Gaga is the last thing she said before she went off the stage. You know, there's a similar Coleman Rose Byrd energy to it. That's one of the great speeches. And she points at her husband being like, you're going to cry. You know, so maybe you could have a late breaker in that way.

49:20Okay. But you think, Buckley all the way down. I think at this moment, were I placing money, which I'm not allowed to do because I'm a resident of California. And also I do this job. But also an employee of Polymarket. Yes. I meant to say earlier, I'm pretty sure there's a legal wraparound gray area thing where people in California can play swagers on Polymarket. I'm not positive, but I think so. You mean Polymarket is going around the law in some way? I am saying that. Jack, I'm shocked. This is not a gambling podcast. The predictions are for fun. We're not advising anyone spend any money on these things.

49:58We are merely talking with very strained and often inaccurate expertise. I think one of the things I liked related to this category was Julia Roberts shouting out Ava Victor. That was also a legitimately cool thing. And another example of an extremely famous person showing love to a less famous person who made an indie film. She was doing it literally after the envelope had been opened. Yes. And she knew. She was really. She was Julia, I would say, in that moment. It's powerful. And we do. There's a reason that everyone stood up. I mean, I think we do all yearn for it, but she was like, really.

50:35Do you think they were standing because of the message of After the Hunt? They were like, thank you for being so brave to tell us. We all understood what that epilogue was about. If you had an affair with an older man as a young girl, you should definitely tape a photo of him to the bottom of your bathroom sink. That is the major takeaway. So when you have major ulcers and then are exposed and fired, you should go back to the Indian restaurant in New Haven with your nemesis and have an inconclusive tête -à-tête. What an insane movie. If the makers of that film came and they sat down next to us and they said, we think this movie is so funny and we made it as a very arch satire, I would accept that and enjoy it more.

51:23Okay. if there's any part of any of them it was like we made points some points were made as soon as Luca Guadagnino and Julia Roberts sit down in between us they've both been on this show I know but if they sat down together whatever they say about that movie we're like uh huh you're totally right you want them to sit in your bedroom is where you want them to sit I want to get drunk with both of them and then go shopping best performance by a male actor drama now you were right on the money with this I think I was Definitely searching for some sort of mystery. Again, that swerve that I was thinking of by choosing Michael B.

52:01Jordan. There's nothing in the math that would have told me Michael B. Jordan was going to win here. But I was like, another famous person to get on stage. This could be a cool moment. But of course, Wagner Mora did win. He did. Gave a very nice speech. Gave a Brazilian dedication at the end. You know, I think he's thought to be in third place in this race. if he had been nominated for a SAG award I would have said after this win he's in second place SAG not super predictive because of its bias against non-English language films I mentioned on the live show that for the ensemble award they have only nominated one non-English speaking one non-English language film in best ensemble in the last five years and that film was Emilia Perez so SAG is not predictive at all in these categories anymore so Wagner Moore is still in the game yeah gave a good speech looked very good like that suit oh yeah no he always looks amazing and like incredibly I was just looking Glenn Close did win for the wife in this category at the Golden Globes at the Screen Actors Guild I see yeah so you know it can still you just circled back to that seven minutes later well I'm just it's like there are people who win everything and then up comes Olivia Colman you know this is genuinely quite stressful.

53:21Wow, I don't know if I've ever heard you do British. What a moment. I've just watched that particular speech so many times I can remember the intonation. Oh, okay. That was great. Some voice work from you. My goodness. I won't be doing Wagner Moore's voice. He's too silky. Best motion picture musical or comedy. One battle after another was predicted by both of us. It was. It won. I don't think any other film had a chance here. How sad that Richard Linklater had to compete against himself in this category, canceling himself out but going to Marty Supreme no other choice we're not truly contending here I like what you said about Marty Supreme being we're being right in the thick of that moment though and I'm very pleased with how successful the movie has been it's really doing quite well at the box office I've loved the moment let's keep the moment going let's keep the moment going now let's talk about best most in picture drama okay yeah I predicted Sinners you predicted it was just an accident listen I was trying something by talking about how Hamnet won Hamnet won it did Hamnet versus one battle.

54:17You think one battle is still strong. And Hamnet won. And the first person to speak was producer Steven Spielberg, which I understand. You lectured me in the room and you'll lecture me again about how it's tradition that producers accept and give the speech for the best picture or best drama or whatever. Let's talk about the word lecture for a second. I merely communicated facts. This was not an extended monologue. Right. It was less than 30 seconds. It was less than 20 seconds. There was something in your manner. But there's always something in my manner. And that's why I always respond to you in the way that I do.

54:56I understand that this is the precedent. Like many precedents in our world, I think it's time to break it. And let's, we got to stop. Even though it's Steven Spielberg. The Federal Reserve is trying to uphold the rule of law right now. We're not breaking precedents, okay? The Senate needs to step up. They need to do what's right here. and you need to relax and let the Golden Globes continue to give awards to producers. I was happy to see Steven Spielberg. I like him as well, but it is a little disorienting also when it is someone as well known for his own body of work and someone who has received like a thousand awards to be up there accepting, the first person accepting an award for him.

55:36And I was just like, sir, let the other people hold a statue. Yeah. Anyway, I think I just... Chloe Zhao did get a chance to speak. She did. And she and she gave a nice speech. And as you said, she mentioned something that Paul Meskel had said to her and they had a very nice moment. He is he didn't even say anything, but he is just an emotive treasure. And I I'm a big fan. I would just I across all awards shows producers, you know, smile and let other and let other people speak. When Steven Spielberg won Best Picture for Schindler's List, the other producers were Gerald R. Mullen and Bronco Lustig.

56:15Yeah. And Steven Spielberg spoke first. Okay, well. Put that out there. Okay. I don't really think Hamnett's going to happen, but I think that there's a campaign to be run here for sure. Okay, and you are now in charge of it. You've been hired. Congratulations. By whom? You are Captain Hamnett. And why don't you tell people what your strategy is? To bring this searing work about the power of connection and ghost dead children to the world at large. These very cute little child. I'll tell you, I'll give you my tagline. Here it is. Love has no equal. That's exactly the kind of thing that they do.

56:55That is some chat GPT shit that I've never. One masterpiece after another. Incredible. You know what? We were on planes recently. We got to go. We can. We shared on the pre-show. Why are we in New York? New York for opening night of Bug written by Tracy Letts starring Carrie Coon on Broadway. It ruled. It was so wonderful. We were so lucky to be there. We also got to, I got to observe the plane watching habits of people to and from New York. A lot of sentimental value, a lot of weapons. But I also observed a new thing, which is people using chat GPT visibly on their computers and me just reading what they're doing.

57:34Because if you're - That's not new, but that's new to you, I think. Use it. Well, I mean, I'm always looking at what people are doing on their computers. If you're on your computer on your plane, it's not a secure. That's true. It's not secure. It's an open network. I'm sorry. That's just how it is. Stop looking at porn on planes, people. But just like I saw a lot of chat GPT usage on these flights. And it was always to be like, can you explain this news story to me? Sure. I was just like, this is we, we like, we have hit rock bottom. What's going on with these whales? Yeah, that's literally what it was.

58:07And then it was like a lot of images. I can't believe this is what people are doing. Anyway, yes, that sounds like a chat GPT slogan that you wrote on Plane. And congratulations on your Oscar, I guess. Right here with my extremely powerful mind, which many are calling...

58:27Yep. So you think there's a campaign to be run? I do, I do. I mean, to the point that we've been making about Shakespeare in Love versus Saving Private Ryan, the sort of like the masculine cinematic achievement, the like the longtime hero of bro cinema against a story of family and grief and the act of creativity, which is really what Hamnet is. Sure. Whether you like it or not, subjectively. Yeah, yeah, yeah. The ending is. They are similar and they are different, right? Their movies about families. Their movies about loss. Their movies about the absence of critical figures in your life and what comes out of that.

59:09Like what is born out of that kind of loss. And so they're this, you know, funhouse mirror image of each other. I will say something that I have been hearing a lot from just is like people I've been talking to and people who listen to the show are like, I'm afraid to watch Hamnet. Like, do I have to? I don't want to. Like, maybe I just don't have to experience it. And I do wonder if there is. Artists are not like that. Okay. I don't think. You think artists are like that? I mean, artists are like, lay it on me. Okay, like artists are like that, but artists and Academy voters, it's, you know, it's not like a one-to-one overlap.

59:41Yeah, it's interesting. Chloe Zhao's just general reputation is fascinating. She's obviously won Best Picture already and Best Director. It does feel a bit like Nomadland's kind of memory hold because it was the first best picture after, you know, in the midst of the pandemic. and that's a movie that I've always liked and have always defended and I like her as a filmmaker despite the Eternals debacle. There was a lot about Hamnet that I didn't like and there was a lot that I did like. And so to me, I don't view it as like the enemy of the season, but I have so much affection for One Battle and I loved Sinners too.

1:00:15And I was nuts for Marty Supreme. Right. And so like Hamnet like kind of, you know, mousing its way to the top is not what I want to see as a fan, but it wouldn't stun me. You have to see it's in the realm of possibility. Absolutely. Yes, it's in the realm of possibility. Again, this is not a gambling podcast but once I circumvent the rules of the state of California and place my polymarket bets I'm not putting them on Hamnet at this moment. Let me just think back to the year when Oppenheimer was the big dog. The musical or comedy winner that year was Poor Things which we never considered having a chance.

1:00:55And Oppenheimer was a total behemoth. And the other contenders that year, including Barbie, just didn't, were not really stacking up in the race. It has felt like one battle is obviously a lot like Oppenheimer. But Poor Things won in musical or comedy over Barbie. And Barbie got the comedy. So Hamnet is not on like the poor things of this year in that Sinners took the box office award and then they gave something slightly more quote unquote prestigious in corsets. Yes. The best drama or best picture award. I'm glad you framed that that way. That leads to kind of my entree, like our final discussion here, which is kind of what is this award show right now?

1:01:40because for three consecutive years, we've jumped on after the nominations were announced and maybe me more than you, but I've kind of consistently been like, so this is just like a critics group giving away awards to cool movies. And that is a good thing. And like I said, I love the idea of Rose Byrne winning on national television for a movie like If I Had Like I Kick You and if people go seek it out, that's wonderful. Ava Victor getting a shout out, that's great. You know, Ryan Coogler getting to speak at length on television, regardless of whatever award he's winning, that's great. but it feels very same same right now it feels very like yeah kind of one critic's body after another like a very like everything is very similar and this includes one battles you know epic success which I root for but I also think is kind of dull yeah and a lot of my picks as I said were kind of this like gesture of like can we break the wheel of how this season has been going and there were a couple right Stellan Skarsgård was a shift.

1:02:39Right. But aside from that, not a lot to inspire confidence that this award show does anything other than calcify rather than redefine. Yeah. I would put it a different way, which is that we're basically just platforming the award season now. And these things start small and with us and limited release and with critics groups and they start to get some attention. And then hopefully you get people in the, you get a sinners or you even get a Marty Supreme. But that this is the stage where you suddenly, you put, if I had legs, I'd kick you in front of a larger audience. You put Hamnet, I guess, in front of a growing audience.

1:03:21And movies only made$11 million. I mean, and it really is the show. We make a lot of fun of the show of the Golden Globes. I think rightfully so as like a foreplay, you know, a paid, a pay to play environment. And I mean, it is like it's it's everything is on display here, you know, and they've added, you know, more categories to just try to get more. There are TV people there just because you also want TV things. So it really is just like here are wares. And I guess the state of movies in particular are such that. I don't know, you you you get shiny things and then hopefully people then do also pay attention to the if I had legs, I'd kick you.

1:04:02and the sorry babies and the somethings of the world, but it's really just functioning as advertising at this point. Yeah, I think it always was, but there's no chaos, I think is the thing that I'm looking for. I think I'm looking, and chaos doesn't have to automatically mean Jared Leto and the little things, right? It doesn't have to mean something that's buffoonish, you know? Right. It could be this is a show where weapons wins awards. Okay. You know, it could be this is a show where F1 wins awards. that would be considered a little bit more ridiculous maybe. But like, I think it's an opportunity to change up and be a little different.

1:04:38And I guess last year was a little bit different, right? Because The Brutalist did win two awards and Enora was not as dominant and that ultimately had no impact. So I don't want to overstate my concern. But I think in terms of the films that are identified and supported, what the nominees turn out to be, the fact that there are six nominees in categories instead of five means the pool is really wide. There's kind of like very few people get cut out of these races now. Yeah. So what you're saying is you wish Kate Hudson had won over Rose Byrne. I didn't say that. But I like that movie. That's a small movie.

1:05:08That's not a big movie. I know. That's not Wicked for Good. That's a, you know, a family drama. That's something that we identified as like a classic, a Golden Globes of your win. It's Globes-y because it's like, you know, a gal you love singing in a movie. Right. That's why it's Globes-y. And it's kind of got like what feels like a sheen on it. But then you watch the movie and it's about like poor people living in the middle of the country trying to survive. Like it's not, it's an awards movie ultimately. So I like that they're identifying those films. I like that they're celebrating the movies that we also like.

1:05:36I hope this doesn't seem incoherent. I think it's just a little bit more fun when there's a little differentiation and I am starting to feel an agglomeration around awards season. And that may be why I think I just get a little bored through part of it. And part of it is because I'm thinking about it too much. Yeah. I think for most people, they're kind of logging on right now. And they're like, oh, okay. Rose Byrne made a movie? Yeah. Cool. I like her. What's that about? Is it like Neighbors? Sort of. In a way. Any closing thoughts on this show tonight? I liked the soundtrack. Do we know who DJed?

1:06:17DJ Khaled. Okay. It was DJ Khaled. He did a great job. I got to laugh out of Jack on that one. You got to laugh out of me too. I laughed. Thanks. Yeah, it was a really, really good soundtrack if you are the DJ at a pool at a hotel in Miami. Just absolutely perfect. No, they're playing like the Surratt score. Sorry, I met a senior citizen's hotel at a pool in Miami. At Amanda's 42nd birthday party. What are you doing for your birthday? It's eight months from now. Yeah, you'll be on vacation apparently, so. I'm thinking about it, yeah. It might be New York at that time. Okay. But what are you going to do without me?

1:06:56Yeah, you know, tequila shots and ushers. Yeah, you know, ATL, baby. Yes. When I think of ATL, I think of you dancing. So we have an auction later this week. We do. Our first auction of the year. Have you thought at all about the results of last year? Oh, yeah, I got absolutely hosed. And I didn't even get absolutely hosed. I hosed myself. Yes. And that's fine. Listen, we have to make choices. Okay. You're losing it now. It's coming apart. You were held strong for a while. It is 9.37 p.m. We spent the morning at a toddler birthday party. There was a bounce house. I went out last night. Yes, you partied.

1:07:41I was this close to Benicio Del Toro. You were in New York 48 hours ago. Yeah, but no. So back to the auction. I'm obviously in, you know, quiet moments. Hold it together. We're almost there. It's not about what happened. thought about where I quote unquote went wrong. Uh-huh. This is like a woman talking about her divorce.

1:08:06But, you know, just like to really bring it back. This is you in therapy, right? Where you're like laugh crying through talking after every event of your life. You think I ever cried in therapy? Then you really don't understand my emotional state. But to bring it back to like the Pinterest, you know, slogans or whatever, I wouldn't take anything back, you know? Yes, we know. You don't apologize for being an idiot. No, I had to make the choices I needed to make for me. I think all of us made mistakes. We will recap the mistakes that we made and the successes that we had with the auction and we'll auction off new movies.

1:08:42I do like the rules that we invented last year. I think we'll stick with those rules. Oh, I hated them. Okay, well, you failed at them, so that's probably why you don't like them. I know, but they all sprung them on me and then I was like, well, now I got it. you know I just like I don't care what all the Thunderbolts kids want to see or whatever like all the children who are like we're going to see that is not a sector of people you just made that up I just I want it I want to make my choice okay we gotta uh take Amanda back to the recharge factory. She just run out of gas. I want to live by my truth.

1:09:21Okay? Okay. Jack, what was your favorite moment from the night? Oh, man. Was it the five minutes when we talked about whether Kyle Tucker's going to the Mets? That was by far my favorite moment of the night. Okay. Yeah. That was pretty good. Do you think that's going to happen? Just put it on the record right now. Yes or no. Kyle Tucker to the Mets. No. I agree. Where does he play now? He was a Chicago Cub. Longtime Houston Astro. He's an outfielder. Okay. A very good baseball player. A cheater? I believe that predates his time with the Astros. Okay, all right. Or he may have been in the farm system at that point.

1:09:52Okay. Very, very talented hitter. And we sure could use him because right now we are dog shit. Mm-hmm. Okay. We can't really start talking. When's spring training? Six weeks. Oh, okay. That's nice. Coming up pretty soon. Less. Less than six weeks. Pitchers and catchers, 25 days. Wow. Right? Don't they need to rest their shoulders a little more? Well, the Mets have been sitting for some time. They did not qualify for the playoffs this year, so they should be ready to go. Thanks to Jack Sanders for his work on this episode. Amanda, thanks to you. Thanks, John. You stepped up big time. Hang in there, Mama.

1:10:26We'll see you guys later this week.

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