The 2026 Oscar Nominations: Snubs, Surprises, and WTFs

25:51My guy, Jerskin Fendrix, got in for Begonia. Yeah. And it appears that he took the one spot that could have been held for Daniel Lepatin for Marty Supreme. So no Marty Supreme. This comes a year after no Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross for challengers. Yes. This body, this voting group is on notice. It's past notice. Well, I mean, let's talk about what's happening here because Surratt was not nominated either. Yeah. And what that tells you is, is that electronic music is not where this group leans. This voting group is a classical group. the idea of Alexander Desplat's work for Frankenstein being recognized here after many, many nominations.

26:28Yeah. You know, obviously Ludwig Renz and I think kind of like makes that complex, you know, because he's using a lot of different styles and he's going to win in this category. He's a total master. Sure. Yeah. But, you know, this sucks. Well, you mentioned no challengers and no Seurat and no Lopatin. and I don't, I actually don't know, like as film scores, like kind of like the shape and tone of them change over time. How can the body maybe more adequately reflect the shifting styles is something that's interesting. On the other hand, like Train Dreams isn't here either and that's a kind of like more traditional score that you might find.

27:05But Gognier is a weird score. It is very orchestral, very string based, very, a lot of brass, but it's still weird. Right. It's more, you know Philip Glass John and like very much more avant-garde like modern avant-garde still classical as opposed to you know people who used to be on Pitchfork right yeah I would have liked to have seen Lopatin there who should still be on Pitchfork I don't really know what's going on on Pitchfork Pitchfork you have to subscribe now I see you guys couldn't tell me I think it's it's owned by Condé Nast that I know yeah which still will not give me an all access pass I see so despite the free work that I've done for them for going on 15 years.

27:47I'm not sure if they're totally aware of that free work. The fact checkers are, they call me. Oh, that's a good point. Yeah. Pitchfork, I used to write there. I wrote there for years. Six years, seven years. Yeah. Great experience. I wouldn't be where I am today without Pitchfork. Yeah. Different ownership. I think this is an abomination that Daniel Patten was not. An abomination? I'm this, I wrote in all caps, original score committee, you are on notice. Okay. you guys gotta have some meetings it's my favorite score of the year interesting that Johnny Greenwood still hasn't won and pretty much has no chance to win this year and to me this isn't my favorite of his scores which I've mentioned in the past okay let's talk about documentary real quick so this is a hard category to predict we did our absolute best and we're still pretty wrong okay yeah you've put this in snubs and I put it under what the fucks right so is it a snub or is it a what the fuck well because I just and it was the last one and all I wrote was whatever is going on with the documentary branch, comma, again.

28:49I find it hard to have a strong opinion about this because I haven't even seen two of the nominees here. And so I'm not going to pretend as though I have a definitive point of view about it. I do think Laura Poitras' cover-up, her portrait of Seymour Hersh not being here, is unfortunate. I'm not surprised that it didn't get in ultimately because it feels more like what gets left out now. Okay. Seymour Hersh is not Michael J. Fox. but it is a portrait of a man and a well-known person and the branch is just not as interested in that as it is issues-oriented or kind of dramatic portraits of the world in struggle and so the nominees in this category are the Alabama Solution which I predicted Come See Me in the Good Light which neither of us predicted which is on Apple right now if you want to watch it Cutting Through Rocks which I have not seen which neither of us predicted Mr.

29:40Nobody Against Putin which you predicted I did and then The Perfect Neighbor which is probably the most watched documentary of the year is on Netflix. Netflix probably struggled to get two candidates in alongside cover-up. And Perfect Neighbor is interesting. I think we probably should have a conversation about it and maybe this whole category. It's a movie that when I first saw it, I really liked it. And a film that, candidly, the more I read about it and the more criticism I read about it, the more misgivings I had about its approach. I think it's simultaneously a very vital and important film, but one in which it's, the way in which it was made makes me a little queasy.

30:11And so maybe we can save some space for that in February to talk through it a little bit more. It does feel like it is the front runner in this category because of the number of people who will have seen it. It is very watchable in a way that some of these others. And now this category leaves the branch and everybody will vote for it. Right. So something like Cutting Through Rocks will probably have less views ultimately than something like The Perfect Neighbor. I would assume. But we shall see. So the WTF nature of it is I generally agree with you, which is just like I don't know how to predict this race.

30:40and I know how to predict like every other race. I've kind of given up predicting it. Yeah. And certainly, you know, trying to watch everything to make an educated decision. It's too hard. Even with the shortlist, it doesn't really help because you don't know where things are going to go. Like 20 ,000 Meters to Androvka, the Ukrainian film, like I just assumed that that was going to be there because the filmmaker's previous film was recognized by the Academy and it's a very powerful, vital movie and it's not here. So it's like, I don't, I don't, I actually don't just don't know how to do it. And that's fine.

31:12That's actually a good thing, I think, to not have everything be so predictable. Let's talk about surprises. Yeah. Biggest surprise, I think, is Delroy Lindo. It's wonderful. It's great news. One of the best actors alive, a former guest on this show. He came on this show because he was campaigning for Defy Bloods. Really? During COVID. Ah, that's great. I'd forgotten that. It's a wonderful interview. For longtime Spike Lee and Congo fans such as myself, I have a lot of Delroy Lindo stock. I did not think he would get recognized here, but it is a kind of classical Oscar nomination where even if someone is overlooked in precursors, if they have a really strong body of work and they're really liked inside the industry, they will have a chance.

31:56Delroy Lindo has not just been working in film, he's working in television for a long time on what's that show, the spinoff of the CBS show that Julianna Margulies was on. Oh, right. Okay. the good wife but not the good wife then the next one with Baranski correct hold on I'm talking I'm talking and also googling but he's been on that show for a long time okay the good fight the good fight yes an industry veteran a terrific actor my favorite performance of his is probably in the movie Clockers he's excellent in Sinners he has that great moment where he's telling the story in the car in Sinners that is like your classic clip reel moment he did come at the expense of some people you want to talk about supporting?

32:39I mean, he came at the at the expense, quote unquote, of Paul Meskel, which who will be fine. He will be fine. Yeah. Paul McCartney. And I hope he'll still be there at the Oscars. I don't really care. Well, I don't know. Jesse Buckley says such nice things to him whenever she's on stage. I would like her to say nice things to me. Sure. I know. He's very he's reactive. Like he's a good front or second row Oscar guest. He's a young star. He's a true young star. But he was overlooked here. Yeah. And that's okay. I agree. I think it's okay. I think it's great that Del Rolando's and the other people in this category are Benicio Del Toro, of course, Jacob Elordi, Sean Penn and Stellan Skarsgård.

33:18Yeah. Feels like Elordi versus Skarsgård. And I do feel that the one battle guys are going to be splitting the vote. I think you're right. I think it's a bummer. It's interesting. You never know, though. You never know. I'll be so excited if they say Benicio Del Toro. I might be banging the drum for Del Roilindo. Okay. Can we make that happen? Why not? I mean Sinners has 16 nominations. That's what I'm saying. And Stellan Skarsgård and Del Roilindo are basically in the same spot. Neither have ever been nominated. They're both in, I think they're both in their 70s. They're both tremendously admired.

33:50They've contributed a lot to very discreet movements in cinema. And this is a long overdue thing. So it's fascinating to see them both in this category together. That's great. This is a good category. I like. It's not the best category. We'll talk about the best category, but it's a really, really good collection of actors. I really, really like four out of five. Okay. You hate Sean Penn? It's not that I hate him. It's great to have someone just smoking on camera in the middle of the Golden Globes. Yeah. He just looks like Wile E. Coyote, like exploded by TNT in every award show and interview he does.

34:23I would have used that spot for something else. Okay. Let's talk about best actress in a supporting role, because one of the other big surprises, as we mentioned, was Elle Fanning getting - in there, which I think is a great one. So two nominees in sentimental value in this category, along with Inga. We mentioned Amy Madigan. We have not mentioned Wunmi Masaku, which you predicted. I did. And I did notice more and more pundits getting around to the idea of predicting her in the last two weeks or so, despite not being like she wasn't nominated at the Globes. She hasn't really won very many precursors.

34:53I guess she was in a Critics' Choice. And she was nominated at SAG. At SAG, yes. Even though she held on to that, even though SAG just completely ignored sentimental value and seemingly all international or non-English speaking roles. Okay. Whatever, guys. Do you think that matters? SAG? Well, I know that SAG is effectively not predictive if your film is not in English. And that's fine. We can accept that as somebody who follows this stuff really closely. Is it important? Like SAG is an American guild. There are international members. but like I think about this all the time with like DGA and PGA and kind of what is their role in terms of what do they represent because the Academy has like tilted this stuff so hard where all of a sudden now, you know, the secret agent is just like absolutely competing in best picture.

35:41Yeah. It happens so rarely. That's an interesting thing but these guilds then they don't seem, they seem more representative of American filmmaking but not totally where like sometimes they'll tilt in a certain direction. on certain things where you'll be like, okay, so like Sentimental Value got in at PGA. It didn't really make any money at the box office. It was produced outside of this country. It's obviously a great movie and it's an act of producing, I suppose. Right. But why is that more significant than what The Secret Agent or it was just an accident? You know what I mean? Where it's like there's something kind of confusing about what is really being graded and where and why that I find interesting.

36:23It's not a negative. It's just it's a developing thing that is happening in this space. I mean, to your question of does it matter, I think not at all in the sense that these are all made up. What is the purpose of these awards? Is the purpose to be predictive? Then I think it does, you know. But that's not what's in their mission statement, right? It's to kind of like honor the best in the thing that they do. I guess so. But why are they honoring? I don't know. What is the point of that? You know, the SAG Awards has been touting the fact that they will be on Netflix this year. So they clearly want like the largest audience possible, which would mean a global audience.

37:00And Netflix obviously has an international reach. But so if you're going to do that and then pretend that you only have English speaking, you know, mostly American actors, it's not a long term strategy, I would say. Well, it jumps out, obviously, because of the four nominations for sentimental value in acting. Right. Including Ellen Inga and Renata Ranzva and Skarsgård. but to me the biggest example of it is Wagner Mora who is like in SAG was on Narcos for years like he's been in tons of American productions he's a very he's a well known actor yeah um people may not know his name but people just sitting at home like clicking tiles and streaming are like oh yeah that guy you know like the cartel king from Narcos so for him to not get recognized in some of those bodies it's just kind of it's a it's an interesting wrinkle in this yeah and we have similar um confusion points with BAFTA.

37:50And it's just a reminder that take some of these things seriously, but not too seriously. And as I should tell myself, go with my gut when I need to. Tiana Taylor is also obviously nominated in this category, and I thought she was going to win for the longest time, and I'm still leaning Amy Madigan now. Okay. I think that the two sentimental value noms does cancel them out. I agree. So then you've got Tiana and Amy Madigan. The fact that Chase Infinity did not get nominated does not really bode well for how the voters are thinking about the value of the female performances in one battle after another.

38:25Once again, do not. That is not my opinion. I am observing, not endorsing. I disagree vehemently. And... So you said you should at AK Dobbins. You're racist. You don't understand. Yeah. Okay. But yeah, I think you're right that the field might be clearing for Amy Madigan. Diane Warren. I told you. You did. I didn't text you when it happened. You know, that didn't, the dam didn't even break on that one. I was just kind of like, I had this, this. Another category where I'm just like, this is poppycock. It's been poppycock for decades. This is the worst category. It's complete nonsense. I predicted two Wicked for Good songs for no reason.

39:03Like, I don't know why I did that. That was silly. I predicted one. This is a silly, silly category. And, but Golden will win. And Golden is one of the only entrants in this category in the last five years that like is true to the spirit, which is a song written for the film itself. Yes, and also penetrated the mainstream in a way along the same lines as like, gosh, I don't even know, like the hustle and flow theme. You know what I mean? It's very rare that a song like breaks through and people are really into it from this category. Other nominees, so Dear Me from Diane Warren colon Relentless.

39:39That's a documentary about how Diane Warren is relentless. Highest to lowest from Highest to lowest, which neither of us predicted. And in hindsight, I don't know what we were doing there. We probably should have just predicted that because that's a movie that a lot of people have seen from Spike Lee. Yeah. It's the titular song from the movie. The film ends with its performance. It's the titular song. I Lied to You from Sinners, which we both had. Sweet dreams of joy from a film called Viva Verde! Exclamation point, which I had never heard of. Wait, so Highest to Lewis was nominated? I thought I saw Highest to 9.

40:08I know, and you texted me this earlier and I was like, I was doing my hair and I was confused. Oh, do I have this wrong? I'm just double checking. a jacket you can cut in. Yeah, you've got six. Wait, no. Did Train Dreams make it? Train Dreams made it. Okay. Well, I take it back Highest to Lowest. All right. Sorry, Highest to Lowest. It's the titular song, but it does not get an Oscar. I'm looking at The Hollywood Reporter Best Original Song list from this race. Okay. And Highest to Lowest is on it. And that's where I copied it from. They just had six songs there. Why can the Academy not just release a PDF?

40:40Is it because the PDF doesn't exist? You know, this morning, I guess I wasn't actually A PDF of all the nominations? Well, I think that's available somewhere. Well, it's not because everyone is just scrambling, typing things out as fast as possible. Yeah, well, that's what this is. This is a mistake made by The Hollywood Reporter that I then made on this podcast. Well, that's because. But seriously, though, let's just go back for a second. Let's rewind by highest to lowest take. Okay. I thought it made sense that this movie would be nominated because people have seen this movie. It's directed by Spike Lee.

41:08Yeah. But it's not nominated. And a song called Sweet Dreams of Joy from Viva Verde is nominated. Sure. What is Sweet Dreams of Joy from Viva Verde? What is Viva Verde? Thanks so much for asking. Viva Verde is what I think you mean. Not long live green. Not green. Yeah, but Verde, the composer. Here is what I pulled off of Google. We've been doing Spanish at home, so Verde is on the mind. Okay, great. An intimate glimpse into the lives of the celebrated opera singers and musicians currently living out their, quote unquote, third act, while mentoring international music students who live among them at Milan's unique retirement home, Casa Verdi, built by Verdi, the composer, in 1896.

41:47So did you listen to the song? No, of course not. I mean, it's an operetta. It's not even a song. I don't even understand. This is a very strange thing. This category is fucking broken. They should probably just delete it. I have been saying this for 10 years. I completely agree. It's terrible. They can give it to Golden and then we're done. Maybe there should just be like, they should just choose the winner every year. Like don't even do the nominations. Just choose the winner and be like, hey, it's obviously golden, guys. Like we're not even, you know, Lewis Pullman is like, hey everybody, good news.

42:15I'm able to give out one award here at 5.30 in the morning. Golden, step right up. That actually is not a bad idea to give out one award on nominations morning. No, not on Good Morning America. I have so many good ideas. Not on Good Morning America. Why not? We need to update. Why are we all up at 5.30? Like the news cycle is totally different. We've got to renovate this. Oscars, call me. I've got incredible ideas. We could be giving away best sound to F1 today. We don't have to wait two more months. Then you would be crying. That's like worse than showing the Sinners Golden Globe score win during the commercials.

42:48No, everybody on the telecast. This is the second biggest morning in the Oscars news cycle. The sound win is going to go completely overlooked when it happens on March 15th because there's going to be 23 other awards given out. If we give it out on this morning as a treat and it changes every year and we don't tell people what they're going to give out, but we tell the nominees so they come at 530 in the morning. And so that they have their glare ready. This is a good idea. No, it's a terrible idea. God damn it. No, everyone wants to be on the stage. Everybody wants to be Julia Roberts. On stage with Danielle Brooks.

43:20Okay. Right? And Lynette Howell Taylor, president of the Academy. I thought that Louis Pullman and Danielle Brooks did a lovely job. They did. They did good. That's all. Good job then. I don't need that many speeches from the Academy president at 5.30 a.m. Makeup and hairstyling. Yeah. So you have not heard of two of these films. Well, I Googled them. So now I've done my research. I have. I've heard of both of them that you're referring to. I have seen The Ugly Stepsister. Okay. Which is a Scandinavian horror reimagination of Cinderella. I mean, I gathered that from The Ugly Stepsister. Yes. That is very gross and good.

43:57I think it was a little oversold to me, so I didn't love it as much. And I actually never got a chance to talk about it on this show. It was in the midnight section of Sundance. It was, and it was picked up by Shudder. You can stream it on Shudder right now. It's a good film. Kokuho, which is a Japanese film. It was the Japanese entry for international feature this year, has had a very strong advocate in the public. And that person is Tom Cruise. Cool. He has hosted screenings and talked about his love for this movie. I haven't seen it. Okay. It is in theaters right now, in a precious few theaters.

44:25I think it's playing the Burbank 16. So I'm going to go check it out very soon. Other films that were recognized in makeup and hairstyling include Frankenstein and Sinners, of course, and The Smashing Machine, which we predicted those other three. Yes. As we went through. I think this is good. The Marty Supreme manicure not recognized. Neither the manicure nor Timothee Chalamet's acne. But it did make it in costume design, which I'm pleased about. Do you want to talk about costume design quickly? Yeah, Miyako Belize was nominated for all the incredible stuff in Marty Supreme. Let's see. Well, there's one really odd nomination that I actually kind of like.

45:04Avatar, Fire, and Ash? Yes, Avatar, Fire, and Ash got in there. Frankenstein we knew would get in. Hadnett we knew would get in. Marty Supreme we'd hoped would get in. Sinners we knew would get in. So a fairly predictable category. However, Avatar, Fire, and Ash, like, is this for dressing Varang? Yeah. Or undressing Varang, as it were? have I told you about the mind share that just the words Avatar Fire and Ash have in our home now you have like Knox just like whispers it in moments of like you know he's seen the images so in that sense the costumes which are blue digital makeup are very effective well I mean is this also the costumes for like the human characters I guess so Edie Falco's like big machine but that's not her costume oh interesting you think the power loader is being considered as part of her costume.

45:54Well, the Avatar Fire and Ash is not listed in production design. Yes. Best machinery is something we should consider here at the Academy Awards. We're coming up with some gold right now. What else? Where else do you want to go in this conversation? We've talked about the documentary branch. We've talked about costume design. We've talked about all of the acting categories except for actor and actress. Let's do that right now. the best category maybe in the history of the Academy Awards is this year's best actor race this is as good as it gets for the Academy Awards that's great I can't we've been we have been predicting for the most part this fivesome in part because I think we've hoped it would be the case we started talking about this way back when Sinners came out because we had hoped Michael B.

46:35Jordan would get in and you know what he kind of like locked himself into this race and has held in in every single precursor he's won nothing yeah he's won nothing but he has hung around here and he's here of course as our Timothee Chalamet Leonardo DiCaprio Ethan Hawke and Wagner Mora. Five great performances, five great movies. You still think Timothee Chalamet? I don't know. I'm working through it. Wow. I think so. What's going on? So what do I think is going to happen or what is my pick? Timmy Forever. Don't have the jacket. No, no, I know your pick. But what else? What's going on inside you?

47:10Give us a little bit of your interior monologue. We learned from yesterday and what we learned from waking up and coming to podcast every day with Sean Fennessey is don't be a coward, trust your gut. And my gut has been saying Wagner Mora for some time. You know, I trust my gut and also the people of Brazil and their love for cinema and their power and their advocacy. So I, you know, I'm, I'm trying to lean in to what I believe on the other. And the secret agent is strong, you know, relatively speaking. On the other hand, I'm trying to game out like the next two months. And there are appearances, I guess there's, you know, tea parties and the Oscars lunch where they all pose and all of that stuff.

47:59But I don't know how many opportunities Wagner Mora has to get in front of as many people as Timothee Chalamet has already gotten in front of. And he's not nominated. at SAG, a.k.a. the Actor Awards. So he won't even get like a... Wasn't that when Michelle Yeoh started to turn the tide against Cate Blanchett? And Jamie Lee Curtis as well. Exactly. So he won't get one of those. And Timothee Chalamet, if he wins at the Actor Awards, will have just given three acceptance speeches in front of people. And I do think that there's a lizard brain aspect to this at some point. so I don't know on the other hand I've just been thinking a lot about Olivia Colman Lady Gaga you know so you never know okay here's my here's where my my mind goes as I hear you talk about that okay if in fact Wagner Mora wins in this category which is of course very possible and I'm not saying would not be worthy as a win this will probably go down as one of those kinds of losses for Chalamet that we talk about on the rewatchables all the time which is like this was the best chance to recognize this person here.

49:10And now a long time may go by before they get a chance. And the person that I think about is Leonardo DiCaprio. Oh, no. Paul Newman. Oh. Paul Newman in the 1960s, starting in 1959, was nominated for Cat on a Hot Tin Roof. Yeah. And then three years later, The Hustler. And then two years later, Hud. And then four years later, Cool Hand Luke. Yeah. And he never won. He lost to David Niven, Maximilian Schell, Sidney Poitier, and Rod Steiger. None of those losses are like bad losses. Right. You lost to very famous actors, beloved actors, legendary wins, Pottier winning, Maximilian Schell for Judgment at Nuremberg, a really powerful performance.

49:46None of those are, like, bad. Yeah. But if you don't recognize the actor at the top of their game in their youth, you might have to wait 25 years. And, of course, you have to wait a very long time to win for The Color of Money. And he did win eventually. But the idea of Timothee Chalamet winning at, like, 59 is just very funny. Like, will Timothee Chalamet ever be 59? Exactly. it doesn't seem right will any of us be alive no it's totally possible will movies exist Timothee Chalamet could make a movie in 2028 that is one of the best films ever made and he could win for that film but we've seen this over and over again and so to game out that thing that you're describing is interesting this is how it happens is really what I'm trying to say he has always been the new Leo to me I mean just in the you know the career rise which is starting as a teen heartthrob and very very passionate Teen fan base expanding, working with a lot of great directors, nominated, but not winning.

50:45And, you know, they have encouraged the comparisons as well. And certainly now, like this Oscar race is like, you know, from Leo to Timmy. But Leo did not win until The Revenant. He had to wear like a bear skin. I said to our pal Joanna Robinson, who I saw in person in the office yesterday wonderfully. It's just so weird how Leo is not competing in this race. It's so weird because he's so present. Unbelievable. But I mean, this is a larger one battle thing. Once again, it's our favorite movie of the year. It's 13 nominations. And we have not really talked about it at all, even in this podcast, unless to say, you know, oh yeah, and one battle was nominated.

51:24I mean, it's going to win Best Picture. And we have a lot of time to talk about that. That's true. And I'm not going to concern troll and say, like, is this, you know, inattention going to extend to Best Picture? and I'll be just going to forget and forget. And I don't think so either. I don't. It got 13 nominations, which is now the third most in the history of the Academy Awards. So I think the film is still very strong. You know, we can talk about best actress now, given the Chase Infinity snub, because Jesse Buckley, Rose Byrne, the aforementioned Kate Hudson, Renata Reinsva, and Emma Stone are in here.

51:56It's been a Jesse Buckley steamroll through the season. We've seen this before, especially in this race. Someone is anointed and they carry it all the way through. There have been some diversions from that. You mentioned the Michelle Yeoh kind of late surge, given the admiration for her. I'm not sure if there's a candidate here that could do the same. Rose Byrne is maybe a little bit less experienced than someone like Michelle Yeoh. Doesn't quite have the same track record. You could see if it was 10 years later, Rose Byrne could do that. Yeah. Or if the movie were a tiny bit bigger. Yeah. And I love if I had Legs I'd Kick You.

52:26It was in my top five for last year. I think she's amazing in it. Amazing movie. I think even this like nomination as she said at the Golden Globes when she won for best actress in a drama like it'll get more attention which is which is good but it's it's not everything everywhere all at once it's not just box office wise so yeah I feel like Buckley is pretty much in place there that's another race where it's like how much can we really talk about this for the next two months let's talk very briefly about the screenplay categories okay Adapted we both predicted perfectly five for five Begonia, Frankenstein, Hamnet one battle after another in Train Dreams.

53:01Not as much on the outskirts there. This felt like the single easiest big category to predict. This is the one that they could have just handed out this morning. And I would have been okay with it because PTA is going to get other awards at the Oscars. And it's like, no one needs to spend the money on the outfits. No one needs to spend, you know, two hours in line at security trying to get in. So you think it's a lock that he's going to win here? For Adapted? You think they're going to try to throw a bone to Chloe Zhao and Maggie O 'Farrell? I don't think so. Come on. I don't know. Okay. That's fine.

53:39I have, I do feel that they could just FedEx this to him. I would like to hear his speech. Let's go back for a second then. So I don't want them to do that. Let's go back to director then. Do you think that that then means that PZA will win picture, director, and screenplay? I do. They did it last year. Is there, is that, is there anything wrong with that? No. Nolan didn't get this, right? He didn't win screenplay, as I recall. Yeah, that's because he wrote the third hour of Oppenheimer. That's incredibly rude. But it is becoming more common. And this is something that was very hard to accomplish for a long time.

54:12We often saw splits in director and picture to kind of like award multiple films and delineate the difference between those two jobs, I think, which is kind of hard to parse but does exist. As you have said, you don't want producers speaking at the Academy Awards. I guess he is going to win because I don't think that the other nominees are really all that strong and I guess that's the case okay original screenplay another very cool category with some very worthy nominees Blue Moon it was just an accident Marty Supreme sentimental value and sinners and we think it's just sinners as I said I don't know what they're going to do about getting both Trier and Panahi on stage what if Marty Supreme wins here I would be excited, but I would feel very bad.

54:59I think that this is Ryan Coogler's best chance at a speech, and I really want that for him. I think it's really deserving. I think this is the coolest award always to us. This always has the coolest nominees. It goes to our favorite filmmakers instead of Best Picture. This is where the real ones are. And for this film, which is about how white people have stolen black art for a century to then be nominated and win for screenplay would be great if someone else What would it mean if the white boy of the year won? Right. So that's also, you know, I just, let's, let's Ryan Coogler, you know? Like, it's deserving, it's the correct choice, let's just do it.

55:41I can't disagree. Yeah. Briefly, cinematography. Mm-hmm. Did we predict these perfectly? I think so, yes. I believe we both did, right? It's Dan Lautzen for Frankenstein, Darius Kanji for Marty Supreme, our pal David Sims pointed out that Darius Condry has three Academy Award nominations one of the greatest living cinematographers the French Iranian filmmaker those three nominations do you have any idea what they are can you even guess at all no you know well known for shooting seven has worked with some of the best filmmakers of all time he shot on cut gems his three nominations are Evita Bardo and Marty Supreme weird it's really good Michael Bauman for one battle after another Autumn Derald-Arkipa for Sinners and Adolfo Veloso.

56:23I'm feeling Autumn Derald-Archipa. Feels like she's going to win. That would be another place where sinners could be recognized. You never know. I could see Darius winning here. I could see Michael Bauman winning here. I could see Adolfo Veloso winning here. Train Dreams, that beautiful digital cinematography that is so hard to accomplish. The other nomination that I'm really excited about is Jack Fisk in production design. I talked to Jack Fisk for the show. You'll hear that conversation very soon. He was not nominated when we spoke, so we didn't talk about that. He's been nominated before, never won.

56:52his work on Marty Supreme is insanely good yeah a living legend I don't think he's the leader in the clubhouse for this award I will stump for this who do you think is the leader well the other nominees are Tamara Deverell for Frankenstein Fiona Crombie for Hamnet Florencia Martin for One Battle After Another and Hannah Buechler for Sinners right I do think Hannah Buechler is leading I do as well and she did win right I feel like she won Hannah Buechler previously for Black Panther correct me if I'm wrong let's see she yes she did she won so that's an interesting one I'd like to see Jack Fisk get one before Hannah B.

57:28Cooler gets two that's just me we'll see I would as well but this award does tend it's like not only do they favor period but like the more period the better like the further back in time you have to go you're right you're very right quickly film editing F1 got in here yeah we expected that we did Marty Supremo also got in here yeah One battle after another, Sentimental Value, and Sinners. Marty Supreme, the only film in which the filmmakers edited the film. Mm-hmm. You don't see that too often these days. And we mentioned casting. Yeah. And the confusion about what this category is going to be over time.

58:06I'm sure they'll clear that up for us. I'm sure they'll just, they'll release everything straight to YouTube. Question for you. Just a predictive question for you. How many years will go by before a film is nominated in casting that does not get a Best Picture nomination. Oh, interesting. I mean, that's hard because you have the 10 spots. I mean, four. Okay. I ask that specifically because when you look in a category like film editing, which is historically very important in the package for a Best Picture winner, F1's there. Yeah. And it did get into Best Picture. Mm-hmm. But I wouldn't have predicted that and I didn't predict it.

58:46And sometimes a movie will - Even though in your heart you did predict it. Even though I did know. Okay. Looking at the board in full again. And looking at best picture before we wrap up here. This is a pretty cool slate of nominees. Definitely, I would say a good morning for the Academy Awards. Nothing like embarrassing. True. F1 is, there will be some notes. Silly. A little silly. Kooky. Kooky is my word of choice. A little kooky. Okay. But, you know, as I say about, you know, can't mom and dad have fun? Like, can't the Academy have fun too every once in a while? I guess they can. yeah I think so this is for the dads that's for the dads F1 is a dad movie it's a dad classic instantaneously and dads can now tune into the Academy Awards we said that we think One Battle is going to win it's got the second most nominations we just mocked three or four potential Sinners wins too what film do you think will win the most Academy Awards on this night let's see so I have one two three for One Battle top line and that's it right And do I have any acting?

59:51No, right now I'm leaning Amy Madigan. Do I have anything below the line? Editing? Maybe editing. Maybe. And maybe. Yeah. So that's maybe cinematography. Maybe. No, but I think all of that stuff is going to go to Sinners. So Sinners, I have definitely score cinematography.

1:00:13Original screenplay. We got to do it. So that's three. Yeah. What else? costume production, maybe. Those are both in play? Yeah. So that's five, which is over four. So right now I think I'm going, I mean, some of this is just numbers. That's what I was going to say. Here's the thing about being nominated 16 times. You increase your odds of winning more awards. Exactly. They have 16 bites at the apple. And like, let's, I don't know how much we're going to talk about Sinners on Academy Awards Night. And we will talk about the movie again on the show. Yes. Because we're going to rewatch it and read and talk through like kind of what's great about it.

1:00:48You'll get finally get a chance to see the after credit sequence. Congrats to you. I'm going to watch it all, you know, in full as it was intended. But this is a movie that got really stuck in the discourse funnel. It had box office discourse. It had representation discourse. It had craft, you know, skill art discourse. Is this movie actually good? You hear that a lot of times now because it's like a vampire movie. and I think that will be a reaction to 16 nominations is like really this is the film that absolutely shattered the all time record for the Academy Awards some of that is a function of just kind of like what the Academy is right now some of it is a function of the number of people who've worked on this film who are now Academy veterans the Hannah Buechler's and Ludwig Garansons of the world

1:01:38like what did it all mean what was it all for like we participated in all of it you know like it didn't mean anything The movie made$400 million. It got 16 Oscar nominations. This is why you, Sean Fentany, need to stop posting. You know? No. Go outside, everyone. I will post right through it. Watch the film and then go outside. I guess that, I think that's actually the question I'm trying to ask. Yeah. Does the posting actually matter? Does it matter? Because when the discourse starts and somebody posts something annoying and everybody's like, shut the fuck up. That's wrong. And then everybody gets all really bent out of shape about what they heard, what they saw on a social media app.

1:02:12Can you actually win back the day by hard posting through it? Can Van Lathan win back the day by shouting down the haters? Well, don't you think that some of the, just like the confirmation in every category is all the rational minded people being like, stop posting. This was good. And I'm voting for it. Like it's an individual. So I think the takeaway might be the opposite. So you, so you think posting that? That's great. Look at Timothy Chalamet. I know. The posting works. I know. We're in an era of posting. Yeah. You know, sentimental value. Elle Fanning's just been knocking through X.com for months.

1:02:45Look at where it got her. Thank you to her. Did we even talk about the Mets trading for Freddie Peralta? Everything is going great. Okay. They did it. I don't know who that is. He was formerly the number one starting pitcher for the Milwaukee Brewers. Okay. Who won the most games in the NL Central last year. Yeah. He was traded to the New York Mets last night. Okay. Jack Sanders and I crying tears of joy. Wonderful. Thank you, David Stearns. You hath saved us. I'm here 5.30 in the morning, ready to go. I'm falling apart at the end of this podcast. Any final takeaways? You need to man up. You need to believe in your truth at all times.

1:03:24We're going back to F1, you know? Yeah, I know. I need to get some of that sunny energy. You need to stop posting and start believing. I know. And I've got all these young Oscar pundits coming for me. You know, they've all been watching. They've been learning. and they've been one-upping me. They've been like, I listened to Sean. He said F1. I'm predicting F1. And then I didn't predict F1. Yeah. Shameful. Yeah. There's shameful stuff. Well, we're going to keep talking about this award show. How much? I don't know. We'll find out. Together. How often? Who can say? Who can say? Thank you to our producer, Jack Sanders, for his work on this episode.

1:04:03We'll be back very soon on The Big Picture. See you then.

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