The ‘Final Destination’ Kill Rankings and ‘Bloodlines’

28:34but watching them in succession as I did, it's very clear that there is a very specific rhythm to how they show us these deaths. Final Destination Bloodlines has a really great fake out in the barbecue scene where there is, somebody has left a rake underneath a trampoline and multiple people are just bouncing up and down on this old worn out trampoline. And finally a character is just like, wait! And spots the rake. but it's such a tease because I really wanted to know what happens when you hit a rake while you're on a trampoline. It's a really good question. Does it just get your foot? Does it go flying out?

29:14I don't know. I think foot pain comes second to eye pain. You know, eye pain, the idea of like a needle going into the eye is terrifying, but then following by like a shard of glass or a rake going through your foot, that's a problematic one. The fake out is always followed within a minute by a gnarly unforeseen kill. Yes. And usually not the character that you were expecting it to be. This usually comes as well with a counterintuitively peppy pop song soundtracking the circumstance. I was reminded of this last night while I watched The Final Destination, the fourth film in the franchise, when Why Can't We Be Friends is blaring out of a tow truck while a racist is dragged down the street after trying to put a cross on a black man's...

29:55I forgot, Michael T. Williams. Michael T. Williams' front yard. again this was the fourth film in the franchise where they decided to introduce white supremacy so this is a fucking crazy franchise they're just like oh yeah by the way this you know B tier character is a hardcore racist he's in the KKK yeah and then just you know the number one signature of the franchise is wildly elaborate gruesome death that is the thing death after death after death you know you're watching Final Destination I have one more note just to characterize like to kind of just embellish on your thing about the mean-spirited characters and the guys listening to Biscuit.

30:32Some true Chester the Molester scumbag behavior on the part of the male characters. Guys who I feel like were early adopters of internet pornography. Yeah. And most of the first three films are like guys named Frankie Cheeks trying to take digital photography upskirts of women as they get on roller coasters. And be like, and then they get fucking killed so hard. But it's really funny to go back and revisit this level of like, of like commercial misogyny. Yeah. Not to sound like a snowflake about FD. I'm like, I actually enjoy it. It's not like anybody gets out of these movies. So it's pretty funny.

31:13Yeah. It's what is the name of the American pie character? Sherman. Oh yeah. Shermanator. Yeah. There's like, everyone is kind of the Shermanator on this movie. And that was an archetype. That was an archetype we were growing up, and they managed to find a way to kill all these kids. So let's go through the kills. Okay. So six films total. Do you want to just do... Let's idea our two favorites from each. Okay. And have a little personal vote. And then I think we should take those six and rank those top six from each film. Sound good? Yes. So FD1, of course, you've got the plane crash. Plane crash is extremely dramatic.

31:50It's easily the highest death toll in the history of this franchise. 287 people die on that plane in that opening sequence that includes a high school class that Devin Sawa and Ali Larder and Kersmith and a few handful of kids avoid right on their way to Paris. So there's one. There's a very famous bathroom choke out. I think this probably has to go in because of the elaborate nature of it. I think it shows you a lot of it's got the fake out. It's got the liquid on the floor. It's got a little bit of the like death is right behind him. He can't see. it kind of invents the franchise in a way. Because the franchise is always open with these big multi-person kills, but they're defined by the single act, the single, you know, mousetrap kill.

32:35This one's pretty good. Todd, R.I.P. Todd, R.I.P. Any other ones you want to cite? Just before we go off of Todd's death, that then concludes Todd and his brother have now been killed in the first 30 minutes of this movie. And we do get one scene with their dad being like, God damn you, Alex. And then he disappears, which is the same thing that happens in Bloodlines is that the woman whose entire family has been decimated like has never seen again. It's a good point. Yeah, the mom, Brenda. Yeah. Does she just go stay with her sister or something? All of her children die. That's a really good point.

33:13We never see her again just because she's not a part of the Bloodlines. And none of the other characters are like, we should check on Brenda. She's had like, probably the worst. Right, her husband and all three of her children are dead. yeah and she also revealed to one of those children that she was adopted out of wedlock that was a great twist too these movies are fucking great other deaths in one that I enjoy especially the train moment for Billy Billy Sean William Scott's character takes after a speeding train nearly misses Alex Billy is decapitated by shrapnel as the train races by moments before that He says he wants to live to see the Jets win a Super Bowl.

33:54For the record, the first film takes place on Long Island. I've never felt more seen than Billy being killed. Is he wearing an Islanders jersey the entire movie? I think he is. Just want to note that this film was made in 2000. The Jets have not been to the Super Bowl since this movie was made. Actually, I've been to the Super Bowl in 60 years. Oh my God. I really enjoyed Billy. And then the conclusion of the film is the introduction of this idea of like the end kill. you know the heart the fade to black kill which comes when Carter saves Alex's life the Devin Sawa character which means it skips Alex and then immediately Carter is crushed by a giant sign in Paris 294 deaths total the plane takes up a lot the plane takes up yeah there's only actually six kills in the movie otherwise which sounds like a lot but it's weirdly not a lot this is going to sound weird but this movie is almost a little bit more like thrillery like even the plane crash is like kind of finchery where it's like everything is insert shots of like a bolt loosening or like the vent.

34:56It's a really good job of depicting that feeling you get when you walk on and the plane is a little decrepit. Yes. You ever get on and you're just like, man, the carpet's not. Are you saying something about the flight yesterday? No, I just mean that you can tell sometimes when this is a plane from like 2006, you know, or 98 or whatever. Yeah. I mean, one other thing that the film, the first film does is every character is named after a significant figure in horror history. So you've got Alex Browning, the Sawa character, after Todd Browning. You've got Valerie Luton as the teacher after Val Luton, the famous horror film producer.

35:29You've got Billy Hitchcock, of course, a very recognizable one. You've got Terry Cheney, Lon Cheney. You've got, you know, lots of Larry Murnau. You've got all of these examples of great cinematic horror meisters being recognized in these films. And these films are weird. They're weirdly like they're junky, but they're perfect. you know? And that is also a great tradition of horror, the sort of like exploitation, low-budget movie that just kind of has something special in its DNA. Okay, so for the first film, Let's go. Do you say bathroom? Do you say Todd? I say Todd. Do you want to put plane crash or train shrapnel?

36:02I think plane crash has to be in there because it's so important. I agree. So the first two, Todd and the plane crash. Okay, Final Destination 2. Oh my God. I can't even really remember the plot of this movie very well. Obviously, it hinges on this extraordinary car crash sequence. Yeah, and because of where it takes place. So basically this woman, who's the main girl character, is it Nora or something like that? That sounds right. I don't know. But she has a vision as she's about to pull into a highway to go on a road trip with her girlfriend and two of the worst guys of all time. Yeah. Which I guess are their boyfriends.

36:38It's Kimberly. Kimberly, sorry. Kimberly Corman, named after Roger Corman. Now she sees this incredible accident take place where a logging truck has an accident, loses all of its timber. Everybody gets decapitated. There are people on fire who then get hit by trucks. There's a really bitchy ad woman who's smoking Virginia Slim. She dies. All this stuff. So the premonition brings together a very interesting, diverse group of people including the coked out guy. Is that Burke? What's his name? Thomas Burke. Thomas Burke. Yeah, it's an odd collection of people, very different from most of the other movies.

37:17It's like more of a ragtag. Because usually it's like, oh, it's a high school class that's brought together somehow. Exactly. And this one features, I mean, the logging sequence is, I think, the signature sequence in the whole series. It still is incredibly effective. And I think what I had forgotten is usually these characters have these extraordinary premonitions and then they see some of the chaos, but not necessarily all of the chaos. Yes. For example, in the first film, they see the plane crash in the distance through a window after it actually transpires. In the race car crash that we'll talk about from the final destination.

37:50Which is four, right? Yeah. They don't actually witness that. They only witness the carnage of people piling out of the stadium. And then one, the woman who's standing there and then the tire comes out. It's a tough beat. So for the logging, this is goaded Hall of Fame. I think everybody kind of agrees it's the best premonition. it's got a great follow up like button kill where they think that they've escaped everything and her friends are still inexplicably sitting in the jeep and another truck like just completely mows them down and kills them funny to see Justine Machado who has gone on to bigger and better things as like a random pregnant lady in this not a lot I would say with the exception of Ally Larder not a lot of and Sean William Scott of people going on to great things after a Final Destination movie well there's there's a notable exception in three well yeah we will get to her so the logging to me is a clear cut 1A additional kills the terrace ladder which is presaged by a dramatic escape from a burning kitchen in which several appliances go haywire this is also where that guy has his hand in his food disposal drain for like a solid two minutes where you're like, this is going to be so epic when this disposal somehow goes on.

39:11Yes. And he loses his hand and then whatever happens next. And it never happens. And they just fake you out. It's a perfect fake out. And then ultimately he escapes his burning kitchen only to be laid on his back as the terrace ladder in his building slides all the way down to within, I'd say, about a foot of his eye and stops. Do you know one of the craziest things about this country is that I do feel like anecdotally like when I used to go visit my grandma in Florida, I feel like the switch for the food disposal was real close to the kitchen light. Like that was in play that you could accidentally flip on the food disposal.

39:47I have one of those now. How close is it to like your kitchen light though? Not close. Okay. I think technically we used to get a little... Why would your kitchen light be over the sink? Okay, so you walk in, door, kitchen to the left, right? You walk and you feel over there. I think they only had like one panel for the electrics. do you like to have your rooms like cordoned off or do you like to have an open floor plan you like cordoned off you want to be like in the kitchen i like a warren of rooms a warren of yeah like a lot of rooms you know i don't like open floor plans i see so you wouldn't prefer to live in like sort of an ancient castle i think i think castles have open floor plans don't they you walk into great dining halls yeah they have a great hall but then they have like i want to series of tower rooms yeah the house from clue lots of secret passageways you know what i like as a drawing room?

40:34Wouldn't you like to have a drawing room? I really want to study. When I'll know that I've made it when I have a home that has a study. Will there be a TV in the study? Or will this film room be separate? Let's see how this YouTube thing keeps going. You know, like if it keeps, if we keep having success with this, then yeah, I'll definitely put a TV in my drawing room. Hot Rod Guy, he gets his eyes blasted out by a terrorist ladder. Yeah, that's awesome. Very violent, super fun kill. The Plate Glass Smash. so Tam one of the characters escapes the dentist's office where it looks like for sure he's gonna be somehow decapitated or have his mouth torn apart he's gonna show up to death because like a goldfish jumps in his throat that's right the goldfish thank you only to be crushed by a plate glass window that falls from the sky in front of his mom while being transported by a crane he dies in front of his mom and she's like no then she gets her head decapitated by an elevator door yes Yes, in the next scene.

41:33She literally is, her hair is caught by the men with the hook hands. Is that right? In a carton, she becomes trapped by the neck in an elevator and is decapitated. Super chill franchise. This is, that scene is preceded by, you know, nine strangers in a room being like, what do you mean? There's an order, you know? Then there's a car crash. So as a trooper and a pregnant woman swerve, gang comes into the rear side into a truck full of PVC pipes. So Eugene gets pierced by the pipes the ambulance pulls away a news truck springs a gas leak the firefighters attempt to free Cat from the truck but when the airbag releases she's impaled by the piping in the car seat Rory is then subsequently cut in three by flying barbed wire that is loose somehow it's pretty amazing because they this one is like the figure eight of death it's like wow you can't believe like they've brought so many different aspects of death into one scene I totally agree it's only two deaths but it has triple axle energy so I like that one quite a bit.

42:32And then the hospital oxygen explosion. Significant because this marks the end of Clear. Clear, yes. Clear finds Eugene in the hospital but also discovers a leaky oxygen tank that immediately incinerates her and him another two deaths. Allie Larder hasn't been seen all the way up until Landman. That was the, it was FD2, nothing for 23 years. She was like Terrence Malick. And then Landman season one. Somehow, Clear Rivers returned. She came back to do the thin red line. Is Clear Rivers the name of her character in Landman? No, it is not. What is it? I can't remember her first name. Is it Billy Bob Thornton's?

43:12You know, I got to tell you, Landman, one of my favorite shows that I saw last year, Angela is her name. Okay. Again, the characters are not that memorable in terms of their names. How is she doing? I didn't watch Landman. She is primarily focused on after she gets divorced from her ex and goes back to Billy Bob's Tommy character. Her and her teenage daughter spend a lot of time trying to reawaken the libido of people living in a senior care center. So they want them to feel sexually active again and take them to a male and female strip bar. Like stripper bar. Exotic dancing. True story. And meanwhile Billy Bob Thornton gets captured by the cartel.

43:58wait they split up in the show they're broken up when the show starts oh I see okay get back together she moves from like Dallas to move in with him or Houston I don't know and then like over the course of the season the way she's like kind of keeping herself busy is by like reaching out to the older community of this town in the Pyramid Basin how do you feel about the way that Taylor Sheridan writes sex scenes uh I feel like it's pretty vividly realistic. I think he's really in touch with the amount of like Viagra guys are taking. Not me personally. How would you know that? I think like the first scene Billy Bob Thornton is like shooting himself up with testosterone.

44:39Oh, wow. Or something. That's what you do before every episode of The Watch. Right in the neck. Just like an alpha Greenwald. Oh, do you, Andy? Yeah. Oh, you don't like Last of Us now. Cuck. Okay, last kill in FD2 is the barbecue explosion. After learning that her brother was saved from being hit by the news van, we cut away to him at the grill when he explodes in a fiery blast at the end of the film. The button kill is very funny. It's very good. I think I'm going to go with the car crash just because it brings in so many different elements on top of one of the all-time great sequences in film history, which is the vlogging truck.

45:17Okay, so we've got two there. FD3. Okay, let's talk about her. Mary Elizabeth Winstead. There's been two really seminal performances by women in film in my life. There's Meryl Streep in The Deer Hunter and there's Emmy W in FD3. Yup. She is... She's so far and away the greatest actress who's ever participated in one of these films. Best actor. Yes. And is so good. I believe I saw a Letterboxd comment about this movie where it's like, Mary Elizabeth Winstead has chronic back pain from throwing this franchise on her shoulders. Yeah. She is giving a very committed performance. I think she actually has a real depth as an actor.

46:05And so this... I love Mary Elizabeth Winstead. It's just wild to go watch her deal with a character named Frankie Cheeks. I mean, she's just opposite also a lot of actors who you've never seen again. Yeah. You know, like Ryan Merriman and Chris Lemche and Alex Johns. Who plays Ian McKinley in this movie? Chris Lemche. Okay. You know, nothing against those guys. They've had perfectly fine careers, but yeah, MBW is on a different level. This is the rollercoaster film. And I'm going to zag here and say that while I am personally most scared of what is depicted in the premonition, so don't really ride rollercoasters because of Final Destination 3.

46:51Like the worst thing that could happen on a roller coaster. You don't ride roller coasters? Not really. Haven't you and I been on a roller coaster before? Doesn't your wife love roller coasters? She does. But I like, I don't really. You came on California Scream. Yeah, I did it. I like, I'll do it. You were afraid. I screamed. Yeah. Really? Yeah. I'm this, I feel, I'm shocked. Were you hiding this from me when we were at California Adventure? Well, I don't know if we talked about FD3. I mean, we went to California Adventure five or six years after this film came out. So I think that, I think I may have suppressed the memory, but for a long time, I have just been like, and when I was in Portland over the summer, one of this like Gravitron thing that swings people up and down in the air got stuck up in the air.

47:34It was on the news. So it's like, these things happen. They don't tell you about it in the mainstream media. The roller coaster. But I'll never fucking ride like Batman, the Batman ride at Great Adventure I love Batman or those Kansas rides where they're like this thing drops 300 stories and then does a 360 you wouldn't do that because it's in the Midwest no but like if one fucking thing goes wrong and you see these guys who are like I'm listening to like I'm listening to like 90 Theo Vaughn yeah while I'm supposed to be operating this roller coaster like I'm I assume that the pilot who's flying my plane has had like plane experience like pilot training.

48:18You're assuming that, eh? Yeah, but I don't know what the rollercoaster guy has. I mean, I think these films do a good job of showing you that it's basically a 16-year-old kid pressing a button. So while I think that in terms of its scope and vision, the premonition is incredible. It's like I almost wanted it to be bloodier and more fucked up. They do show a couple of clear headshots where somebody falls out of a rollercoaster car and smashes their head against a steel beam. But I will say that there are kills in FD3 that are better than the premonition kills. I'll go with you on that. Ten riders reportedly died on this particular rollercoaster disaster.

48:57One of the most famous kills in this franchise is the tanning bed. Two high school girls who managed to avoid, evade the rollercoaster ride because of MEW's premonition go to a tanning bed. They bring a beverage with them as they shouldn't. The door accidentally closes to the room because of a fallen sunscreen bottle that gets lodged in the door. And the operator of the tanning bed is nowhere to be seen. And somehow the tanning beds get real hot. This is real, again, shitcore culture where it's like girls are topless. Naked girls getting fried to death. It's very like 80s slasher actually. And glass falling on them and stuff.

49:39Extremely violent. the girls who are kind of like in the post Paris Hilton Nicole Richie affectation of like hyper fake tan

49:51it's really violent and gross it is also a fun time at the movies for me I think the tanning bed has to go into the FDHOF I'm with you on that I also really like the song choice which is Love Rollercoaster the 70s funk song with an immediate callback to the rollercoaster disaster that happened eight minutes prior. The next kill, I find to be one of the most confusing in the series. Yeah. So, Frankie Cheeks, the aforementioned horndog pervert who is constantly trying to snap photos of the girls in this series. Yes. Is at a drive-thru. Behind him at the drive-thru are Emmy W and her best friend's boyfriend.

50:32Her best friend is dead. Yes, her best friend is dead. And they are on the trail trying to figure out what's going on with death. There's another car behind them. And then for some reason, a truck perpendicular to M.E.W.'s car backs into the side of it. Yeah. Is it like a whiskey truck? They're at a drive through. Yeah. Why is that truck parking there? This is where it's like, is death driving the car kind of stuff. And it doesn't have the elaborate setup that I think some of the other kills in this film do. It's just a little less coherent. Yeah, a little less. him and then another truck starts barreling down a hill bashes into those other trucks somehow mew and her girlfriend's boyfriend escape frank catches a motor blade directly in the back of the head yeah i hope i wanted that character i have a more gruesome death or a more like elaborate one the camera does hold pretty long on the molding of his you know decapitated skull which is pretty amusing i thought it was okay but it just kind of doesn't make that much sense the next one is the Lewis, the football players' weightlifting decapitation with the swinging swords fakeout.

51:37Pretty fun. Yes. Not bad. Yes, but nothing compares to the Home Depot. Followed by the Home Depot forklift disaster. Ian McKinley, the aforementioned disturbed fan, avoids the falling fence posts that are in the Polaroids that MEW consistently looks back to. But as he does that and narrowly avoids all of the falling objects in this storeroom at a Home Depot-esque home goods store, his girlfriend, Erin, is accidentally backed into another organizing shelf that has a stray nail gun in it. She slips, falls, winds up getting nail gunned both in the back and front of her head. I think just the back.

52:22Oh, just the back. I think the nails are shot through her face. But one of the great things about it is that we find out how many nails are in a nail gun because they all go into her head. And there's multiple cutaways to Ian being like, no! And then back to Aaron as more nails go into her head. Yeah, that is a good cut. Why would you be in a Home Depot if you were a character in a Final Destination movie? It's a wonderful question. I would never drive, I would never fly, and I would never go to a home repair store. Every one of these films needs an arrogant character. Ian is the arrogant character.

52:56Yeah, he's like, I've cheated death. Yes, when of course he hasn't. Next we go to the 300th fireworks display. Julie's friend Perry is impaled by a flag loosened by a stampeding white horse that nearly strangled her sister Julie with a runaway rope. Yes. This one's extremely elaborate. Also, when we were talking about the film Havoc and sliding down the harpoon, this kind of has a similar action of sliding down the flag. Do you think that they were inspired by FD3? I hope so. I think that would be nice. I bet you Gareth Evans loves these movies. I would be surprised. This one's pretty fun. Then there's Ian's revenge at the same celebration.

53:33Wendy thinks Ian will be the cause of her death at the celebration because she's wearing a McKinley shirt in one of the photos that's taken. So he confronts her and then he claims he's beaten death after fireworks shoot at him and they narrowly miss. And they just all go right by him. Yeah. And then large scaffolding falls on him and kills him. Yeah. I really enjoy watching Ian die, but creatively, it's not the most amazing thing I've ever seen. Agreed. Now, the final kill in this series is the subway rendezvous, where some months later, Wendy, MEW's character is in college. Everybody thinks that once they've gotten to the end of this movie, it's time to start traveling again.

54:15Are they in New York? They must be. It's certainly a New York City subway. And Wendy meets her sister, Julie, played by Amanda Crew, we should say, who did appear on the show Silicon Valley. That's the only other credit I can think of for her. I'm not trying to denigrate anybody's achievements. There was plenty of WB stars in the first couple of these movies. Everybody does a great job. Julie and Wendy are clearly meeting up for the night, and they see out of the corner of their eye, Kevin, her old friend's boyfriend, is on the same train. And the three of them meet up, and immediately as they encounter one another, Wendy immediately has a premonition again about a brutal subway collision, which ends with her being smashed by a subway car, an oncoming subway car after she's been thrown from the one that she's riding.

55:01And then it happens anyway. And they all die. And apparently 10 people die. 31 people dead in this film. I'm going to say Tanning Bed and Home Depot are my two from FD3. I'll rock with you on that. Okay. Let's go to the final destination. We already mentioned the Raceway Car Crash Disaster. several beheadings, dismemberments, burn victims, and car crash assassinations. Literally cars flying into the crowd and killing people. Yes. This is a very gnarly one. This is widely considered the worst film in the franchise. Yeah. It's literally only 72 minutes or something like that with, you know, 82 minutes with credits.

55:38Yeah. The production value is lower. The CGI, there's significantly more in terms of the kills. But there's some clever kills. I mentioned the racist tow truck driver. That was pretty good, actually. Dragged alive while burning. I want to shout out Hunt Winorski who is probably my favorite character in this film and who gets his internal organs sucked out through a pool drain as he's swimming at the bottom of a pool. Yes. Nick Zanno, I believe, plays Hunter Winorski. Shout out to Nick. There's also the Lawnmower Rock Ricochet where Samantha, played by the legendary Krista Allen, has just gotten a haircut and is exiting the haircut after a series of sliding chairs.

56:24Is this where she's getting her pedicure as well? I think just her hair. Oh, okay. Oh, right. And it's always like cutting right by her eye. Yes, the scissors are really close to her head. The chair is moving around a lot. We think she's going to get stabbed with something. And in fact, the door opens to the hair salon and a man with a lawnmower rides over a rock and the rock shoots forward and blasts through her eye in front of her children. She says to her two sons, I've got my eye on you. it's great stuff yeah there's also the mechanic who is impaled by a flying helium tank at his shop as they attempt to warn him of his impending death yeah another place I wouldn't be working a garage wouldn't we no certainly not Jonathan who is the kindly guy sitting in front of them wearing a cowboy hat is sent to the hospital and whilst in the hospital it looks like he's going to recover when in fact an elderly man who's getting into a water tank in the floor above him in the hospital overflows and floods the ceiling.

57:26And then the bathtub falls from the floor above him and crushes him. Yeah. It's a really bad beat. I like that one. That's a sneaky contender. I agree. I'm a big fan of it as well. And then there's just chaos at the end of this movie where like a series of people are hit by ambulances. And then there's like a mall sequence where people are getting hit by trucks inside of buildings. and part of the reason why this movie is like not very good is because it just kind of completely loses its air in the last 10 minutes. It kind of it trips over itself. It really does. So I will probably say for me I really like the certain kills in the premonition for NASCAR and then one nice thing is that even after they get out of the race and they're like my premonition came true still a NASCAR tire comes flying out of the stadium and kills a guy's girlfriend.

58:18I would say that one and Hunter Winorski are my two that suck through the pool drain. The guy getting his guts sucked through a pool drain is amazing. We're really doing the work here. I feel like this is what it's all about. FD5, I feel like we're back. 2011, one of the most confusing, not the premonition, but the literal setup for this movie starts in an office park. And it's like a retreat. No, it's so elaborate. It's a guy who has an internship for like a nameless, faceless, purposeless corporation. But he wants to get hired on full time, but also wants to be a chef and might go to Paris to work at a culinary institute.

59:00Right. He's there and they're about to go on a retreat and his ex-girlfriend is there. His friend who has gotten him this internship is there. Their boss is there, who will later die in a fantastic way. David Koechner's there. and also who else shows up? There's like a guy who's like a sort of operations manager who has some labor strife. Like there's so much workplace information that's conveyed way before we even get to the bridge. Most of the time it's like we're getting on this plane and it crashes. We got on this roller coaster and it crashed. This is like a whole setup of a different film that then we get into a premonition.

59:41In the premonition, all of the people you just identified, die in a brutal North Bay Bridge collapse. I don't know if I have, I don't have a fear of bridges, but I do have a fear of dying in a bridge collapse. Okay. You know what I mean? Like, I don't think the bridge is going to collapse. Did you have, does that happen for you because of what Bane did to New York? I think it was Pittsburgh. Heinz Ward was there, remember? Pittsburgh doesn't have that many bridges, does it? What is, what is Gotham supposed to be? Gotham, I think, is shot in Pittsburgh, but is in it, like spiritually New York. Okay.

1:00:17I'll take your word for it. You don't want to talk about Bane and what he did to your psyche about bridges? What about, how did Bane affect your viewpoint on... A lot of loyalty for a hired gun!

1:00:33Oh, God. The Bay Bridge is going in. Okay. The Hall of Fame. The rest of the... No, you're wrong. Are these good? FD3, FD5 is actually secretly good. Tell me your favorite. What is the best kill? The balance beam is amazing. The gymnastics kill is great, but that's the first one after. Okay. So Candice dies. Yes. And the whole time you think she's going to step on a thumbtack on her balance beam, but instead she dies doing LeBron James chalk hands. You think that they were Bronny fans? 11? So this is before the decision, right? Or it's right at the decision? No, yes. It's at the decision, yeah.

1:01:11You think this was like a shot at him? I'd have to go back and compare the tape to find out when the decision happened versus when this film was released. 2010. Okay, so this is definitely reacting to LeBron leaving Cleveland. And then I would just say that the falling Buddha after the acupuncture is really good. It's okay. The acupuncture is great. That part, yes, yes. A lot of like, don't put that needle in my soul. Yeah.

1:01:40I mean there there is another plane crash callback right? Flight 180 falls from the sky and kills several of the key figures that were introduced to in the beginning of this film leading to this series of dramatic deaths I think like north of 20 people are killed in the finale of the movie over 100 people die in this movie you would go gymnastics and bridge I feel like they are much like a Motown album, they put their hits up front. For the most part, I agree with you. Just to put a fine point on it for Bloodlines. Yeah. 14 years later. Is it... Now, is it possible that it's not the Skyview restaurant massacre?

1:02:23Actually, I found myself distracted by the CGI in this. Interesting. So I think it... You think family barbecue and the MRI machine? Yeah. Exactly that. I think I'm with you. Okay. MRI machine is a world class. It's one of the top five for sure. For me. Okay. So we've got MRI machine and we've got the family barbecue for Bloodlines. Now, six films. We've chosen 12 contenders. Give me your five faves. Off the top, just I'm blast shield down. Luke, saber. I say logging. That's one. MRI machine. Yep. Balance beam. Wow. huge look for Final Destination 5 FD5 heads out there I feel like tanning bed has got to be up there I know I don't want it to seem like I'm you know a caveman but because the girls are topless there's nothing wrong with that it's natural and then you pick one I think Hunt Wynorski getting his inside sucked out and then I like particularly when they show you the water meter and then blood shoots through the top of it that's a great moment that's honestly that's filmmaking How do you think that this podcast is going to be received?

1:03:37And do you think we did a good job? Well, I know we did a good job. Yeah. By whom? By Jack. Jack, have you seen any of these films? Watched Bloodlines last night. How'd you feel about it? I thought it was very good. Had you seen any of the others? Not in full, but I vividly remember being 14 and just scrubbing through every Kill compilation on YouTube, which is probably why I'm normal. That's the other thing is that you don't actually have to watch the entire film if you don't want to. I want to. You know what we forgot to mention is Tony Todd. Oh my God, of course. Which is the other connective tissue throughout this entire franchise.

1:04:11Yes, how could we have forgotten? He actually gives a very moving final performance in this movie. Excellent performance. An absolute horror icon. And he's represented in amusing ways throughout the series. For example, he's the voice of the devil in the third film. But he figures prominently in the first film and he figures prominently in this film. They do sort of stumble upon him in an odd way in Bloodlines. Yes, he's working in the hospital as a mortician. In the morgue. In the corner in the morgue there. But it's his last performance. He was a great character actor, wonderful. And he died six months ago.

1:04:45I do believe this was his last performance. And, you know, appeared in several great horror movies, obviously best known for Candyman and Candyman 2. But he is quite good in this movie. Thank you for remembering to give him a shout out. You can't, but like to Jack's point, it's very easy to just go through the Kill compilations. Part of the B-movie mystery science theater fun of this whole thing though, is watching these characters try to make some intellectual sense of what's going on and try to like come up with a plan, whether it's kill a baby or flatline myself. Yeah. Yeah. Did you feel that this new one took it to a greater extreme?

1:05:27Well, I did love the twist in this one is that Steph drowns. And it is mentioned several times for no apparent purpose until it's revealed at the end that her younger brother is a junior lifeguard. Now, as a former lifeguard myself, I'll tell you that CPR is one of the first things you learn. It's one of the ways you get certified to be a lifeguard. You actually do get certified to be a lifeguard. I don't know if you're certified to run roller coasters. and he's able to revive Steph with CPR. Which allows him to skip her. They assume. Then in an amazing moment, the younger brother is taking a girl to the prom and the girl's dad comes out and is like, Steph, I heard you had a tough beat with drowning.

1:06:14And they're like, yeah, but he brought me back to life. And he's like, well, not really. If your heart was still going and you just lost consciousness, you were always alive. And then his daughter walks out wearing the same outfit as the grandmother wore to the Skyview restaurant, thus bringing it all together. And then there is a brief callback to three where a train does not completely close its track, leading to a derailment. And the derailment sends all of the freight flying through like a local neighborhood. Probably killed 800 people. could have killed very many destroyed homes like an absolutely gnarly train derailment disaster really putting the brutalist to shame in that respect but what if when the logs hit Steph it was like da da da da that is how I feel at the end of the movie and then these logs that are being carried on this freight train fly through directly at us in the screen and kill our two main characters who we thought had survived ending the film in perfect final destination fashion these movies are so special should we bring do we just have to like insta revive Brutalist should we just start talking about that again no I'm so on the side of right on that one I'm not even worried about it we're good it's gonna last forever okay we're good cool I mean what do you need to say I just think it was like we talked about it a bunch like when it came out and everything but like I like I like mixing it into other films like in our discussion like what could we how is Mission Impossible the final reckoning like the Brutalist Oh, I think we could do that.

1:07:53Like, should we get the score for that film over Happy Gilmore 2 as well? I think that would work. I think it would create that swell of feeling. Any closing thoughts? No, I hope we get another one of these in a couple of years. I don't even know what takeaway we should make from it being such a huge hit. This is actually quite unusual. There's been some discussion, like how many franchises did the best movie arrive in the sixth one? That's obviously quite unusual, but Mission Impossible Fallout did just happen. personally the first film is my favorite and Fallout is my second but a lot of people like Fallout best.

1:08:27You think of any other franchises that get this good this late? Bond was popular upon its inception. I guess I guess I can't really. It's very unusual for them to level up in this way but they did. We're very happy about it. Sierra thank you Thank you for having me man. Thanks to our producer Jack Sanders. We'll be back later this week to talk about the film that Sierra just referenced. Mission Impossible the final reckoning. I need you to trust us one more time.