The Matt Damon and Ben Affleck Movie Draft. Plus: ‘The Rip.’

19:14And like Charlie Hunnam, you know, writing things on a chalkboard and then having a panic attack, like in a Publix, is meaningful. So and it delivers, you know. It does what it says on the box with enough charm and with enough humor. Everyone is very competent, and Damon and Affleck are having fun, so I had a great time. I think we have enough evidence from the Artist Equity movies that these guys have been making together since they reunited with Air that they're kind of making the movies that they would like to watch, and you get that from this. You get a tremendous amount, even though it's a very dark movie, both in its lighting and its content, you get the idea that they are really, really enjoying themselves.

20:02And that this is the kind of movie that they grew up watching. This is the kind of B movie that they kind of sharpen their teeth on in a different world. They'd be happy to just be making three of these a year. But they're obviously two of the most famous actors we've had in the last 40 years. So they have other responsibilities and other ambitions. But this is just awesome. If anything, it was almost too good for the material or there's the inverse of that is like, it's too bad for the guys who are in it. Right. Yes.

20:32Sean Fennessey:I totally agree. The script is like a B minus. Right. It's not a great story. It's kind of familiar, but there's a tremendous amount of charisma and style that is happening around the movie. And you come in with these baked in relationships with so many of the actors and not just Matt and Ben, but like Tiana Taylor is now like a movie star in our heads. Right. So when she shows up, she's given nothing to do in this movie. Nothing at all. But even though she's not giving anything to do, you're kind of like, oh, a scene with Teyana Taylor. Something must be about to happen here. Excuse me. That's not true.

21:00She counts over and over again.

21:02Sean Fennessey:Let's just take two very well-known actors, Catalina Sandino Moreno, to Academy Award nominee, I think, for Maria Fuller Grace and just like put them in a room and they count money. And then that's what they'll do for the entire film. But still, it kind of keeps the energy of the movie up by having all these overqualified people. And, you know, Carnahan, I think, can really shoot the hell out of a movie. And there's a chase sequence in this movie. there's some shoot up sequences there's a fire sequence there's some stuff in it that is really well executed plus Matt and Ben their relationship in this movie is very similar to their relationship in Air and I find that fascinating except they've inverted the roles in Air Ben was in charge and Matt worked for him and Matt needed to make something happen in this movie Matt is in charge and Ben works for him and he doesn't quite trust him in the same way it's interesting to me I also find it fascinating that they've kind of settled into this, like Matt Damon is number one on the call sheet in these movies to my eyes, you know, like I.

22:04Right.

22:05Sean Fennessey:He's a bigger star. Yeah. But it's interesting that Affleck is just kind of like cool with being the sidekick. Yeah. You know. And even thriving. I think like last duel is really when the possibilities of him taking the supporting role and going for it opened up. And, you know, and they were co-writers on that with Nicole Holofcener. So maybe he's come to an understanding of what he can do. Or he's just going back to Chucky. I think that's part of it. And I think the fact that Ben Affleck is so tall and so lantern jawed, but never could quite become the same level of star as Damon. He's a huge star.

22:44Sean Fennessey:It's a tight race or whatever. But when we talk about the box office category for the draft, Damon's just got more to pull from. He's just had more and bigger hits. He had a bigger franchise in Bourne all by himself. I think he's had fewer smaller dry runs too. That's true. Yes. Fewer struggles over time. And so, yeah, I think that might be part of it is just selling the movie is probably easier if Damon is in that chieftain role that he is in this movie. the plot itself I still I'm not totally sure I grasp all of it happy to help you okay yeah let's go spoilers so this film is available on Netflix you don't want this you know popcorn Saturday night experience ruined for you skip ahead yes don't DM me I wouldn't say the reason to watch it is to figure out the plot per se but so it's well it's not it's not not there is like the consequential scene when they're all together and it's it's like Like which one and the and the script is baiting like is Affleck the is it Damon?

23:44Is it these other, you know, who is the rat?

23:47Sean Fennessey:Right. They're they're clear. And that wasn't confusing to me at all. Like the final execution of the story. It's more like the setup of the story is a little bit confusing. It opens with the murder of a team member for these Miami police officers. And then kind of a series of interrogations around who may have been responsible for that murder. And the feds have come into the investigation. Scott Adkins. Scott Adkins. legendary action star plays an FBI agent and also Ben Affleck's brother. Yes. And they have a very intense exchange. This is up there with Al Pacino throwing Henry Rollins through a screen door and he is Ben Affleck going toe to toe with Scott Adkins.

24:23Sean Fennessey:Yeah. I really enjoyed that scene. It was great. It sets us up for kind of figuring out that there's like, there's distrust within the police department here. And Nestor Carbonell has taken on, I guess he's like the He's the police captain, the major. And he wants them to get to the bottom of this. Matt Damon's character subsequently gets a tip that there's a stash house and that they need to do a count. Crime stopper tip. A crime stopper tip. And so he wrangles the team. Before he wrangles the team, he tells them all different numbers for how much is in the stash house. And while you're watching it, you immediately know, okay, this is a setup of some kind.

25:02Sean Fennessey:Who's responsible for the setup? We don't know. why is Damon sharing different information with different police officers he's trying to draw someone out obviously and they go to the stash house now here's the thing that I didn't totally grasp right why is that neighborhood empty that they go to the cartel owns all that so they own all the buildings and they're using those buildings to store money uh I think that they just it's the indication is that those are cartel owned homes and that no one there's not a lot of activity there there may be people in those houses like lookouts and stuff okay but that and that cul-de-sac it's all i think that was really the major thing that i couldn't figure out what are they using this entire city cul-de-sac for i think for pickups and drop-offs and stuff okay yeah just the place where they can do business and also and then they also it's implied that they own those local cops yes the highlight right so that it's it's a business district got it okay interesting so it's just kind of like the food court for the cartel yeah i mean i think actually one of the cool things about this movie is...

26:00Is that something that happens? If it is, I believe it. Well, I think one of the neat things is Miami not dissimilar to Los Angeles is you throw a blanket over Miami, but then there's lots of little counties within and there's Broward and Dade and then there's different law enforcement agencies running different parts of the city, but that the city is itself pretty porous. So those guys cross into... They know as soon as they go to Highlight, we're on somebody else's turf.

26:27Sean Fennessey:Did this district go for Gore or Bush in 2000? I think that they were a bellwether district for Bush. And so then... Although I don't know, because the cartel, very helpful in this movie. I had some questions about that too. Sure. Very loose with information as well. And also doing FaceTimes. Hey, it's me. I run the Sinaloa cartel. You had mentioned... What happened to that guy? I think it was just like... Not the guy on the phone, the other guy. I don't know. Okay, he just kind of... Some loose ends in the film. Just don't go in looking for the airtightest plot. Yeah, so go ahead. Well, so then essentially they get into the house and they discover that there's a tremendous amount of money.

27:12Sean Fennessey:There's a woman also in that home, played by Sasha Kaye, last seen as Supergirl in The Flash. Best part of The Flash. And now there's another Supergirl movie coming out. I'm like, why is she not just Supergirl? She's awesome in this. She's really, really good. She's really, really good. And lifts another nothing part with a tremendous amount of presence. and she becomes this kind of counterweight to Damon's character where she has information, but we don't know how much information she has and she's also presenting a false front. She's sort of protecting what's inside of this house, which is her grandmother's house.

27:44Sean Fennessey:And it's weird because it's a single location movie in a lot of ways. It should have just been Assault on Precinct 13. I really like this, so I'm nitpicking at something I liked. this kind of movie should have been James Badge Dale and pick another actor. And Scott Atkins. Those are the two leads. And you can't really tell who's good and who's bad and it's got basically one location. And they're trapped in this house. Who's going to come get them first? The cops or the cartel? How do they get out? And instead, it kind of expands to like a larger Miami chase. Yeah. It's what happens when a B movie gets A stars.

28:22Sean Fennessey:And I'm not opposed to that. I really like it. The 80s and 90s were full of movies like this. Black Rain, Internal Affairs. They've all been on the rewatchables. There's a long history of it. I think it's really fun when you get this kind of thing. It is slight. You know, you get to the end of it and you're like, cool, that was fun. The reveal is incredibly obvious from the beginning. So obvious. It's like, why is this actor in the movie? Well, and we've, Netflix has already done this with another straight to Netflix action comedy star starring two of my favorite people, Jamie, yeah, Jamie Foxx and Cameron Diaz.

28:56Yes. Right. So it's like...

28:58Sean Fennessey:Back in action. Yes, come on. We gotta not... We gotta figure this out, but that's okay. And also, you know, to your point about the plot not being bulletproof, I don't really understand how it all got totally pulled off or what even his plan was, but that's okay. What Kyle Chandler's plan was? Yeah, yeah. I think the idea was that they were gonna probably wind up killing everybody involved and then taking the money and that Steven Yeun was going to facilitate that. Nice job taking two of America's boyfriends and making them the heavies. I wanted to ask you guys a little bit about this film in particular, but the artist equity movies that they've been making over the last couple of years in general and the way that these guys are servicing their public image with these movies rather than challenging that public image because there's another version of this movie, not necessarily the one I want it's a lot more 70s and maybe one of Matt and Ben are the bad guy in this and that would be pretty interesting to watch the two of them face off in that regard I agree this is much more of a testament to their chemistry and friendship than it is about like what if they were adversaries well I will say the movie works because I believed it was possible that they were going to face off yes they did pull that punch at the end of the movie but I was excited by the idea of Chucky and Will having a showdown me too but the film ends with this sort of like, these are the last two early.

30:23Good cops. The last solid dudes. From Netflix in 2026? But like, rather than. Why are they sitting on a beach just like watching? Who is that woman with the dog? It's so funny. And you guys also aren't at that beach. Like I can tell you that the shot of the sunset is very.

30:39Sean Fennessey:We're just, we're in this. I was talking to Chris about this this morning. We're in this extremely vivid post heat generation of movies where everyone now who loves movies from the highest art house to the lowest dingy D-grade crime movie is obsessed with heat. Everybody is like heat and obviously Chris and Bill have done tremendous work in supporting that legacy. You know, we've all seen heat. It's fucking amazing. It's a five-star classic. Everyone agrees. And now they can't help but get the heat out into the world. Like this movie doesn't have to have anything to do with heat, but the sitting on the beach looking out at the water is the most Michael Mann shit of all time.

31:16Yes, but the most Michael Mann shit of all time would be one guy makes it to the water. That's true.

31:21Sean Fennessey:That would have been the one way to pivot against that. I mean, you can't do heat without having to make some hard decisions. But this is a movie about brotherhood. It's not just Scott Adkins and Ben Affleck, but Ben Affleck and Matt Damon. And, you know, it's a fun movie. Yes. I had a great time. For a movie on Netflix in January, it's an A+. Yes. Shout out, Wilbur didn't know that you could train us at a Basset Hound that's looking for money. I had no idea that canine units were coming in all those different sizes and forms. Is it a thing? Did you look it up? I didn't. but I mean and they did also like there was a moment where you didn't think Wilbur was gonna make it and I was very I was stressed out about that so I was connected to Wilbur a lot of good dialogue a lot of good a lot of good cop talk Ben is just really good in movies like this he's really really comfortable in a B movie that's got a lot of crime in it like obviously he made The Town he knows how to be what his energy is Damon was interesting yeah I think he's got a tough part because he has to withhold a lot of information and he's kind of the mechanic of a scheme.

32:21But when they first, when they first get to Sasha Kaie's house and they first start interrogating her and going through that, like, Damon has, like, a 25-minute run where he's basically, like, slightly bad guy version of the Martian guy. Mm-hmm. And he's like, here's how we're gonna do this. I need all your phones. I need you to go over here. I need you to go over there. And you're like, what's happening, man? And he is conducting the orchestra in that sense. Like, he is just really, he is really able to, control the center of a movie unlike very few other actors. And also when he goes out on the street with Steven Yeun and you're like, I don't know what's going to happen here.

32:58When they are fainting towards him being departed, Matt Damon, you're like, I could see this.

33:05Sean Fennessey:Yes, that's a great point. That's a really effective scene because you don't know which direction it's going to go. And to your point about internet boyfriends, Steven Yeun is just such a genial, likable movie presence that you could never think that he would be the one responsible even though it's pretty clear from the way the story's playing out that he's doing something wrong. I have a question for you. So, you know, I've had some facial hair for the last six months. Yes. They all have it. It's kind of an epidemic. And I'm watching the movie and I'm looking at Matt Damon's facial hair and he's letting it gray, you know, and he's not dying it.

33:41Sean Fennessey:Yeah, I thought that was Odysseus. I thought he was like either on his way to doing the Odyssey or coming off the Odyssey. If you look at any movie starring a guy 45 plus now, this is kind of acceptable. Yes. And I'm wondering about, like, I'm wondering what even inside of me was like, you should just let that happen. And I feel like a lot of the stars now are very comfortably just kind of looking that like half manicured, half haggard facial hair look. Yes. What do you make of it? What's it about? I have to say, I do not understand men and their beards. Like, and I don't, it seems like a real hassle.

34:16It seems itchy. it seems uncomfortable it is I don't it doesn't

34:20Sean Fennessey:not for me it doesn't I mean that's great but it's it's not if I were a man I wouldn't wear one it's not my preferred aesthetic I think it's nicer when you have a clean shaven what if you hate yourself though would you then do it well is that what it is this is what I'm saying like so I think it's but does Matt Damon hate himself I think it's about why do you let himself have that facial hair in this big movie I think he thinks it looks like a cop's I don't know he's not going home to shave or maybe it's softening the jawline you know As you age, things get much looser. And people are really very into the...

34:53He's never been thinner. He said so.

34:56Sean Fennessey:For the oddest. No one got him down to 165. Yeah, but that doesn't mean that everything is still tight. And you get the jowls. You know, Ozebic face. Look it up. I can't think immediately of another example, but in a lot of movies this year. You get jowls from Ozebic. Austin Butler has facial hair all the time. Yeah, when you rapidly lose a lot of weight, then the skin... is looser. Oh, wow. Yeah. Any, yeah. Anywhere. Don't, don't go losing a lot of weight right now. Yeah. I mean, also never, never have a child because once it, like it stretches out and then it goes away and that you can't get that back.

35:29Sean Fennessey:Pro tip for you to not have a child. If you can help it, do not get pregnant. Um, let's also could be covering a plastic surgery. Just going to throw that in on the last one. I don't think that's true. I don't think that's true, but that's like another Damon specifically has never given me the vibe that he's had worked on. It doesn't seem like Are you surprised that these are the kinds of movies these guys are making? I like it a lot. It makes me feel like it's the 90s. And those guys love the 90s. They're linchpins of the 90s. And even a movie like Air just feels from a different time. And the fact that they sought out that script and wanted to make that script, I think is great.

36:03Sean Fennessey:You know, I don't know where it fits into the hierarchy of Hollywood. Obviously, like I believe in their mission of having the money kind of streamed down to all the people who worked on the project. I think that's very cool. And there's been a lot of writing and a lot of interviews with them about that and the times and deadline. You can read those interviews. So I very much believe in that structure that they're building. The kinds of movies that they're making are real tweeners. Yes. And I don't know if you can actually functionally make a business out of this without streamers. And they've been using streamers to buttress this business.

36:37Sean Fennessey:this movie in particular is unusual because they got Netflix to pay them in success as opposed to pay them a flat fee right that's fascinating that they were able to do that Bill of Bajaria had to go into the New York Times and talk about how we did it here but we're not doing it again you know our model is our model but we did it because it's Matt and Ben effectively but that's an indication that they because of their force of personality and success they can bend the system well I think the next one is also for Netflix that's Animals which is the kind of high and low style kidnapping drama that where Ben Affleck plays like a mayoral candidate or something.

37:10But I don't think that

37:10Sean Fennessey:that movie got the money and success deal. I'm just saying you're right. Like they're they're essentially using streamers as drive-in movie theaters or something. And I when this first started and they first started talking about doing this company there's another version of this where it's like we just want to make sure Andrew Dominick has 60 million dollars Right. and all the time he needs to make Assassination of Jesse James again. or whatever. And instead, they're like, no, like, we kind of know how to make this kind of movie really well, and we're gonna crank them out a little bit in between Matt being in Nolan movies and Ben maybe prepping, like, a directorial effort.

37:52I mean, I think he directed Animals. Oh, that's right. He did, yeah. And I think he's also, like, attached to, like, the witness for the prosecution remake that they're talking about doing. So, in any case... Oh,

38:01Sean Fennessey:he's so perfect for that, for the Tyrone Power part. Oh, man, that would be great. I just think it's a really fascinating kind of idea just to be like what people want from us is instigators or the rip animals rather than goodwill hunting but middle-aged or it might just be because they're saleable because they're 75 million dollar movies and not 200 million dollar movies you know and the other thing too is like in 1997 joe carnahan would never struggle to get a movie made because he'd already made a few movies that were really good and he would be able to make movies till he was 75 years old his last two movies are cop shop and game over or boss level which are like streaming movies effectively, you know, and they're not bad.

38:37Sean Fennessey:Cop Shop's kind of entertaining the Gerard Butler movie. But, you know, if you made the gray, you'd be able to make movies for a long time. And so I do think that they're doing something with kind of like they're trying to rebuild the middle class. And I respect that. And they're also they're like reading the market effectively. They are smart guys. You know, there's like the viral clip of Damon being like, what happened to Hollywood is the DVD business went away. And then they so I do think that they just saw, OK, there are no middles and there are streamers that will pay for it at this amount.

39:05And what most of the streamers are missing is like quality of any kind. So we can do it a little bit better and they'll pay more for it. So who knows if it'll be a model that works in five years, but they're savvy.

39:17Sean Fennessey:It's a really good point. And I feel like the Netflix quality conversation is often oriented around the fact that it's either like this film is either Roma or the Irishman or the worst movie ever made. Like there's just no, there is, there's so few B or B plus movies that they've made over the years for whatever reason. Yes. It's like you either use the Virgin River set or you've made, you've made Roma. It's just, it's a very strange thing. And, you know, that's obviously being dramatic and it's not, there are tons of B movies that they've made that I enjoy watching. But that is the reputation that the studio has.

39:50Sean Fennessey:And so this kind of begins to reshape that a bit. So it's beneficial for them too. I was looking at somebody who put together like a sort of panel of like all these straight to prime video action movies that are often like like it's like Dave Bautista and Jason Momoa. And it's like two guys who are actually long separated brothers, but are also the greatest killers in the world. Bottom of the barrel of the wink action. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I hope I hope I hope we're turning somewhere. Yeah. We're getting into like a really good point. This is another movie that's not it's not super ironic or jokey or there's not a lot of one liners.

40:25Sean Fennessey:Like the conversations are like the way that cops shit talk each other, not like turning to the audience like Argyle, you know. OK, should we draft? Yes. Yeah, sure. You made some interesting choices here category wise. Well, I have a couple of questions for you about what I put because what I tried to do is mirror our George Clooney and Brad Pitt draft in a way in terms of the categories. But that might not be as effective or it might make the game more interesting. Before we do that, I mean, is there anything you want to say about Damon and Affleck, what they mean to the movies? Obviously, they are spiritual guides for you, Amanda.

40:56Sean Fennessey:Yeah. And as you said, they're 90s guys. They came up in the 90s as we were starting to log on to movies. I've talked a lot about how both Good Will Hunting and their Oscar speech were points to me being like, I'm paying attention now. There are people who seem to like the same things like I like about movies, but they're younger and they have an interest in old Hollywood. But they're smarter, but they like to have fun. So, but I do think they're also really interesting case studies because they did come up together and they're like two actors who experienced a lot of fame and success very early on.

41:34And then what are the choices you make and what do you do with that? And, you know, I think some of those choices were made for them by the media or by the interest. And I'm, of course, talking about Ben Affleck. But, you know, Damon goes like the pure like director's route and figures out like a non superhero franchise. Affleck goes to Michael Bayland, then goes to Jennifer Lopez land, then starts directing, you know, like the ups and downs and where they are. And they haven't, I think that like traditional narrative would be like, oh, Damon, you know, easily outstripped him. And maybe in terms of quality of films, yes.

42:14But like, they've been up and down, you know, throughout the 30 years. So it's just an interesting like business school study of what does it mean to be a movie star in our lifetime? I think Matt Damon has like one of my favorite bodies of work of an active actor right now. I got into a fight with Bill about Brad Pitt versus Matt Damon when we were talking about F1. A fight. It was just an argument about like who's a bigger star. And I was like, I actually think Matt Damon has more bigger movies in a way. I think Brad Pitt is more famous. Yes.

42:48Sean Fennessey:Yeah. But it's for similar reasons. I agree with everything Amanda said. and I'll just highlight, I find their current iteration of how they're relating to the world and the business to be basically this really cool extension of almost the character that William Goldman inhabits in Adventures in the Screen Trade, where they're both really charming, articulate guardians of movie making. They're ambassadors, yeah. And so whether you're watching Damon on Conan or Damon talking to Michael B. Jordan recently about all the technical aspects of playing Smoke and Stack or Affleck talking to Fincher about Mank.

43:31Affleck explaining cameras to Jennifer Lopez. It's just like...

43:35Sean Fennessey:Yeah, listen to Affleck interview Josh Safdie about Marty Supreme. Yeah. Affleck on the Criterion Closet. Yeah, exactly. And so Affleck picking Menace to Society over Boys in the Hood. Like, they're just really... They love movies. They know movies. They really understand movies and they love talking about movies. So it makes their external personas just kind of more interesting than like George Clooney. You know, like George Clooney is a good star and he's made some really good movies. It's been a rough 20 years for George Clooney, honestly. But he's just not as interesting. He's more interesting talking about the world than he is talking about Hollywood and films.

44:07Sean Fennessey:And he doesn't have that same like cinephilic thing that Damon and Ashley - I also don't think, I don't know. I wouldn't actually want to disparage him by saying this, but like I was going to say something along the lines of like, I think George Clooney stop challenging himself by working with directors that might push him in different directions. Whereas I think Matt Damon does that pretty routinely and also plays around a lot with like, the role he has in Interstellar is quite dangerous for a guy who's like, I am the hero. Totally agree. I don't want anybody to ever doubt that, like, I am the good guy in this movie.

44:39Sean Fennessey:Yes, which is part of why that's, in my opinion, the most effective part of that movie. It is the most surprising thing in the movie. Yeah, I mean, I'm a big fan of theirs. I think they both have fascinating tastes I think the way that you described it is dead on. However, Affleck does also have a best picture winner under his belt as a filmmaker. So they're kind of neck and neck in this perverse way if you wanted to pit them against each other somehow. And I think also their friendship I find very charming. You know, the fact that they like stuck it out and have not been broken by what is genuinely a nasty business where people are trying to pit you against each other all the time.

45:11Sean Fennessey:The fact that they have each other's backs and they built this company in the aftermath of their success is very cool. Ben Affleck was the only celebrity who got to visit the set of The Odyssey. Wow. That's cool. It was pretty much according to him. It was like a pretty close set. And then he got to show up. Just Ben. That's beautiful. You weren't invited. After all that pre-work you did, all that elbow grease on Blue Thunder and everything. I'm sure you'll get your premiere invite any day now. You think so? Yeah. You think Chris will call me personally? Okay. Well, let's talk about the categories before we set the draft order, okay?

45:43Sean Fennessey:so you don't like the categories no I just said that they were different oh okay as with Clooney Pitt here's what we did we did Blockbuster 100 million dollars or more at the box office Oscar nominee Matt and Ben together directed or produced by supporting role and wild card now the one question I have for you guys is Oscar nominee so does it have to be in their name or is it a movie that they were in I think that we can do it but we have to respect it. No, I don't even think that you can do it without breaking it. Yeah, but if you just have to be like, if somebody picks one of these movies in another category, then that takes one of like three out of this.

46:27Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

46:29Sean Fennessey:So we could extend this category to mean any movie that they were in that was nominated for an Academy Award, which is something that we do in other drafts. In the year drafts. Or we could say this is a movie that only has six potential candidates. Then let's widen it so that we can get more movies in. I'm fine with that. Okay. I don't, you know, we don't have to kill each other during this. I didn't do that work so it'll kind of be on the fly. I didn't either. So we'll be doing it together. That's okay. You did do that work because you were afraid and you were going to lobby for this. I know you so well.

46:57Sean Fennessey:It's fucking insane how well I know you. As I was doing this last night, I was like, I know what CR is going to say. He's going to be like, this category is too tough. It's going to fuck up the game. I need, we need to widen it so that I can take Interstellar here or whatever. I didn't even have Interstellar in my top five for Oscars. Okay. You want to read your top five right now? No. How do you feel about the drafts? I feel great about them. Aren't they an excuse for us to just chew the fat? They are. You know? They are. How do you feel about them? You've done quite a few these days. I look forward to seeing Christopher Ryan.

47:30You know?

47:30Sean Fennessey:That's nice. You never see him outside of this. I honestly, he was traveling for a long time. I see him, you know, there's a way to keep him in Los Angeles for an extended period of time. So it's really nice. You know what I will also say is that I do, we have the smaller table now. And I thought a lot about how now I can like push you and when you use the roller coaster. I know. And I watched the video back just to see that you actually did like sail slightly, which I really enjoyed. So I like that element of it now in 2026. I like them too. Okay, good. I have a lot of ideas for them. We're not stopping.

48:05Sean Fennessey:Oh, good. Because I thought for a second you were like, we're sundowning this. Yeah, we got two weeks off and I came up with a lot of stuff. I'm pretty excited. Okay. Where do your best ideas strike you? Like what time of day? Where are you? And you're like, no, we got to do the. As you know, I have a very annoying schedule where when I'm not recording, I have nine Zooms planned. And so if I can get a day. Yeah. With no meetings, I can come up with a lot of shit. But so you're in front of the laptop. It's not just like walking around. You're not at the playground. It's either that or furiously masturbating.

48:39You know what?

48:42Sean Fennessey:No, it's... It's a boba shed slash line. Oh, my God. Well, the problem that I have... I'm glad you asked this. I'm no longer glad I asked it. I'll continue. Whenever there's dead time, like when I'm driving, for example, I had a long drive yesterday. I drove all the way to Culver and all the way back. Oh, you did end up going? I did. I went to go see Crime 101. Yeah. And it was a long drive there and a long drive back. And I just listened to pods the whole time. So I'm not actively thinking about anything. I'm listening. And I fill a lot of my dead time with that. It's like in modern life, the input's never off, you know?

49:14Sean Fennessey:That's very true. And I'm very susceptible to additional inputs wherever I can find them, as opposed to just sitting quietly with my thoughts. Yeah. But when focused on the show, it's not that hard. I love doing the show. I do too. I was just wondering if there's a place where inspiration strikes. You know, you were on a plane recently. I was wondering if Plane Sean got activated. Yeah, that's a very powerful force. Yeah, I know. Don't unleash that force. Was that a good flight for you? To New York? Mm-hmm. Productive? The way home. Yeah, it was very productive. Yeah, I heard a lot from you on the way home.

49:45Did you? Yeah, and I was like, sir, it is Saturday morning and I am in charge of two children.

49:51Sean Fennessey:I got a lot of ideas. I know. I just got a lot of ideas. I wish you guys, it'd be cool if you got her a pager. And you would be like... Star 911. Call me back immediately. I have a draft idea. Call me back immediately. like go see Primate. Um, okay. How's Troy Kotzer in Primate? It's just the funniest damn thing you've ever seen. Academy Award winning actor. Recently seen in Black Rabbit with Jason Bateman and Jude Law. Oh, was he? Okay, this is the first time I've seen him since Coda. Yeah. And the film, because he's deaf, the film cuts out sound whenever he appears. There's one moment in particular where there's a violent ape encounter.

50:35Sean Fennessey:happening in the other room and he can't hear it and he's just like do do do like cleaning up his kitchen his performance is fine okay he is on the the sending end of one of the dumbest text exchanges in movie history which I encourage people to check out when they see it where he's corresponding with a veterinarian or actually no a DNA specialist around veterinary science okay where he's questioning their expertise I don't think that you're watching enough new romantic comedies to weigh in on the dumbest text exchange in somatic history. But you can do this like asterisk, you know, animal attack division.

51:13Sean Fennessey:I take your people we meet on vacation and raise you a primate. That's all I'm going to say. You know what? I'll say for achievement in text messaging on screen, you do rivalries. Excellent with that. Okay. Because they'll be texting and then they do like Scorsese push-up shots, you know? Let's do it. Let's cut back to Wednesday night. I got home. I had to go pick up my credit card somewhere. walked in the house it's a long story walked in the house did you close out a bar and you forgot a card? I'll tell you right now what happened I left my credit card in the bar in New York when I was in New York because man who doesn't go to bars anymore every seven years you do something really fucking stupid fortunately I was there with David Sims and Griffin Newman and Griffin just so happened to be coming to Los Angeles so he picked up the credit card brought it to me I went and met him on Wednesday it was very nice Thank you, Griffin.

52:00Sean Fennessey:Got to see him and some friends. And I came home and I came home and Eileen is watching Heated Rivalry. And I walked in. What episode? She was on episode three. Yeah. And she paused it. And the first thing she said to me was, Chris likes this? And then she went on to tell me about the extraordinary amount of gay sex in the TV show. I haven't seen it. Yeah. I haven't seen it. I'm down for anybody who wants to get after it. I'm going to try it this weekend. People listening to this all have already hopefully tried it. Post Martin Luther King, you'll update. Yeah, exactly. the fan base. I think, I hope Eileen enjoys it.

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54:05Sean Fennessey:Let's get the draft order from Jack. Jack, Matt and Ben, you in? Sure. I almost want to come back and check on this. Okay. Your fucking Mets hat back there and your glib smile. You know, this morning I put on a David Wright Shea Stadium edition jersey and my girlfriend looked at me and she said, they just signed a player, Jack. Like, just relax. So I took it off just wearing the hat. You know what it is? Here's what happened. It's also like, if you'd had to get dressed last night, you would have lit everything on fire instead. That is very true. It's just the ups and downs. You didn't even want him.

54:40Sean Fennessey:But the thing is that this, we spent this whole off season feeling like they don't care about us. They're trying to reset. They're going to play the kids. This is a slap in the face. They let players we love walk. You would not do this deal if you weren't going for it. It would make no sense. So they showed us that they're going for it and I appreciate it. But like, didn't they lose the guy they really needed? So aren't they only half going for it? They lost Kyle Tucker. And I read that, so they offered 50 million a year and then he ultimately signed for 60 million a year. That's correct. They offered 60 for the first two years.

55:13Sean Fennessey:They offered 55 average annual. Yeah. He doesn't have 20 extra million? I don't think that's really what it was. It was like Kyle Tucker just wants to be able to be a free agent. Not Kyle Tucker, Bo Bichette wants to be able to be a free agent again. No, but I'm talking about Kyle Tucker. Well, he also wants to be able to be a free agent again because he has the two and three opt-outs. There were opt-outs also in the Mets deal, and the Mets were paying a bigger signing bonus, and there were no deferrals. So it was a better deal to sign with the Mets. That would have been... But Kyle Tucker's like, I'm a coward, and I want to sign with the Dodgers.

55:41Sean Fennessey:I want to win because I'm a coward. That's really what that's about. So fuck him. Okay. We don't need him. And if the Dodgers are listening, Sean is also available. Fuck them. Fuck them. I don't give a shit. What are we, like, caping for the Dodgers because we live in LA? I'm not going to be caping for them. That's bullshit. No, they're going to ruin the sport. Okay. What's the order? Chris first, Sean second, Amanda third. Okay. Kind of got fucked here, but what are you going to do? Is there in your mind a clear number one? Well, especially if we'd kept the Oscar nominations in the traditionalist way.

56:15Then the answer would be yes. And I will actually, in honor of that philosophy, do the same thing I would have done anyway. I mean. Say goodwill hunting. Okay. in Oscar. Yeah.

56:24Sean Fennessey:I do feel that this is the number one overall pick. Yeah, of course. This is the fourth consecutive time you've gotten the number one overall pick? No, it's not. I think it is. No, it's not. And I didn't... This is definitely the second time in a row that I'm on the turn at a time when it matters. Next time this happens, if I'm first and somebody else has the turn, I'll take the turn. I love the turn. I feel like you had first in New York. Did I? I think so. Yeah, Die Hard DV3. Oh, DH with a V. Yeah, DH with a V. Yeah, DH with a V. That was if anything showed the discrepancy, the disconnect between the liberal elites and the real people listening to the show, it was that.

56:59It was you guys being like, Dyer with a vengeance, are you fucking crazy? All the people were like... So the insinuation there is that

57:06Sean Fennessey:two liberal elites host the show and yet all regular people listen to the show. How could that possibly be? Well, I mean, I just don't think they have enough options, you know? Yeah, that's the issue. That is also something Eileen once said, where she was just like, why is no one competing with your podcast? It's obviously not true. She just doesn't know the entire landscape of movie podcasting. Good Will Hunting, you like that film? Yeah, love it. We did rewatchables for it in Boston with Russolo and Bill. A lot of fun. Great Russolo story about Bunker Hill College. Yes, that's right. And yeah, this is where it all began.

57:41Same. Well, actually, where it all began, and it's always delightful to hear their stories about these guys going out for Dead Poets Society, these guys going out for different movies like coming up. And so they were trying to get into the films before this and obviously wrote themselves into Hollywood history. Where are you on the William Goldman conspiracy theories? I don't believe it. I think at this point, it's probably like Goldman and Reiner both had some suggestions and they followed them. Yeah. I mean, I agree as well. I think just saying take the CIA plot out of this or whatever is a good idea.

58:14Sean Fennessey:It's still strange to me, though, that there's not another movie that's just the two of them that they wrote that is like a character drama. Like, that is something that we do need in Hollywood is guys and women, obviously, but these two guys specifically doing it. It's fine. We need some women. Women may also speak to one another. They're allowed to if they want to. I wish they would write another movie. It doesn't have to be Good Will Hunting 2, hunting season. You know, it needs to be something else, but I would like to see them do it. Was Last Duel Nicole Hoffsenter's script that they also wrote on or was it their script and they had her come in and do yeah they had her come in they brought her in for her perspective a woman yeah and it was the better for it do you feel that you're a woke movie watcher oh my god uh in what sense like are you thinking about what's the diversity of this storytelling no I'm just thinking about whether it's true it feels true whether it feels true not if it's a true story yeah what about you afraid to answer you have a pick okay

59:24Sean Fennessey:I'm gonna go with directed or produced by and take the town fuck I mean that's what I would have done too so I mean that's that's why this is how I got fucked that they have directed or produced fuck there's plenty of good movies for that category I know but I wanted one of those too and you don't think executive producer counts right this is not no it's gotta be you gotta have a hand in actually making it the Lindas want you to open the door. It's just, this movie fucking rips. We also showed the town when we were in Boston for that. Rewatchables at the Coolidge Corner and we stayed, did we stay for the whole movie?

59:57Sean Fennessey:We stayed for a lot of it. I feel like we stayed. Very addictive movie. I rewatched it the other night and I was like, oh, I'll be fine. And then they do the second, the like North Boston. Where they get caught. The nuns. Yeah. And I was like, okay, well, I'll just like watch this and then I'll turn it off and then, you know, it just like keeps going and then it's like, they're starting Fenway and it's like, well, I can't. It's very involving. Even after a hundred times, it's very involving. Possibly it's Fergie, late-breaking Rewatchables character. He's coming in this year? He's making some appearances.

1:00:27Sean Fennessey:And what did he do to his mother? He gave her a little taste. Gave her a little taste. Yeah, I love this movie. I did your daddy the chemical way. This category might actually be a little harder than Oscar nominee now. So this is why I put it here. Yeah, the town's great. I think his other movies that he's directed are good, except for Live By Night, which I think is very strange. And we can talk about that if it ends up getting picked at all. But that's the only movie of theirs, really, that I've only watched one time. Yes. But, yeah, I love The Town. So easy pick there. Okay, Dobbins, we got two picks.

1:01:02Yeah, I do. Okay. So, I mean, I would have picked Good Will Hunting 1 and The Town 2. And it opens up a little bit here. There are obviously a lot of movies that we all love that are eligible here. So I guess I'll just go with. In Blockbuster, I'll take Gone Girl, which is still the single best movie made about Ben Affleck. And there have been many at this point. He is an interesting concept to investigate the town in many ways. could be seen as a movie about Ben Affleck trying to understand parts of himself. But great movie. We screened it as a part of the Friends of the Fest at the American Cinematheque.

1:01:53And that was really, really fun.

1:01:54Sean Fennessey:Played so beautifully. Yeah. Everyone laughed exactly where you should. Yes. So I'll do that in Blockbuster because we used to be a country where Gone Girl, directed by David Fincher. Was a Blockbuster? Was a Blockbuster. Didn't they make like$350 million? It was insane. Did you see the photo of Adventures of Cliff Booth? where the clapboard photo. Oh, that they wrapped. And it says teleplay by Quentin Tarantino. That was funny. That's cute. Well, does that mean it will feel more like a TV movie then? I'm fine with that. Okay. Okay. And then... We know Quentin loves a 70s TV movie. Because we've opened up Oscar nominee, I can indirect it or produced by Take Manchester by the Sea.

1:02:35Yes, you can. Which is Matt Damon produced that, the absolutely devastating Kenneth Lonergan movie about New England. It's outside Boston, right? Outside of Boston. And not being able to get past your mistakes, which, you know, in this case, I don't know whether, it's not possible to, but most movies try to sand that off or to give you hope. The single greatest what if of Matt Damon's career. Yeah. Is if he had taken this part. Taken the Casey Affleck part, yeah.

1:03:08Sean Fennessey:I think we got the best version of the movie personally and it seems like it was I mean he's the one who put Casey up for it right and that's part of the reason why yeah I think they worked it for a long time and it was like if we're gonna if we do this like I'm busy for the next three and a half years and so I will step aside and if you if I step aside I want Casey to play the part a an unusually funny episode of the rewatchables about this movie that is perhaps the saddest film of the 2010s I love that movie great pick okay I've got another pick this is a tough one because I don't know where you're going to go and so I need to account for what you're going to get on the turn how do I be strategic and just get something I really want right now at the right time or do I just follow my heart and say come what may like for example I don't care about Jason Bourne I'm on the record about that like those movies don't really do it for me so I don't need to like you do I don't know I don't dislike them but I don't I'm not a subscriber to the cult but isn't your favorite the one with Renner?

1:04:12I The Bourne Legacy I really really love it I think my favorite is Supremacy the second one yeah mmm although huge famke potent I was gonna say yeah

1:04:27Sean Fennessey:I'll I'll Thank you. It's okay. Take your time. It's tough. We're vamping. You picked what? I took the town and directed or produced by. And I guess you can only get so many here, right? You can only take so many away from me. So I'll just take what I think is the best entrant in this category, which is Matt and Ben together in Dogma. Yeah. They're amazing in this movie, which was like kind of lost to time. I interviewed Kevin Smith on the pod last year. I asked him two questions. He spoke for one hour. God bless him for it. He told great stories. The movie has since been reissued on 4K. I looked at it last night.

1:05:09Sean Fennessey:It looks great. Okay. Matt and Ben play fallen angels in this movie. They're awesome in this movie. They have, this is, you'll laugh because it's a Kevin Smith movie. Some of Ben Affleck's best acting ever. Is the conference room scene the best they've ever been together? No, the parking garage. That's the best scene. Oh, yeah. It's good. Them going back and forth about the nature of God and order in a Kevin Smith movie is legitimately exciting to me. I've always had a really soft spot in my heart as a fallen angel of sorts as well, a lapsed Catholic. And I really appreciate that Kevin Smith, after making a bunch of dick joke movies, attempted to do something like this.

1:05:48Sean Fennessey:This is also something that I think is missing from the movies right now, even though it's a little clunky at times. But I just think they're really, really special together. And all these other movies, I think, are not bad that they're in together. I like them. But this feels to me like their essence in the 90s. It is also the most you of them together. I'm following my heart. Yeah. So this is an interesting place where the categories wind up dictating the choices a little bit more than my personal taste. but be that as it may I'll go Matt and Ben together and take The Last Duel okay there's not that many of them left I think in the long test of time The Last Duel eclipsed The Rip although I probably had more fun watching The Rip sure well I'm just I mean neither subject matter is uplifting but I would say that The Rip has more fun except for Ben Affleck who's having a great time the most fun in The Last Duel.

1:06:43Yeah. I think The Last Duel is quite good.

1:06:45Sean Fennessey:A little bit overlooked because of the period in which it was released. And also the amount of movies Ridley Scott was putting out at that time. It was a two movie year for Ridley, right? Was that House of Gucci? I think so, yeah. And so it kind of got a little pushed aside but it is also a tough sit and the way that the movie concludes is quite serious. Yes. But I think the movie is very good. Yeah. So I'll do that and I will do Argo for directed or produced by. Yeah. And Argo

1:07:13it's just a very well made it's like Moneyball to me if you can distract yourself from its truthfulness it is like a very well made genre film it's kind of excuse me so you when you watch Moneyball you're holding its truthfulness against it? no I just think it's worth noting that they had an excellent pitching staff that comes up zero times in Moneyball so everyone is very very raw about baseball right now is what I'm learning. No, I worship buddy ball.

1:07:45Sean Fennessey:Yeah. Right. It's that Eric Chavez, Miguel Tejada, Barry Zito, Mark Mulder, and who was the... Tim Hudson. And Tim Hudson are not mentioned. It's just that these guys won the division by having Scott Hatterberg walk. Yes. Just that's all that happened. And then he hit the home run at the really important moment. Okay. And the sound cuts out. So... It's awesome. The movie's great. Can you not be romantic about baseball? So is Argo. even though it sounds like it was like a pretty seamless departure from Tehran for those guys. Yes. It makes it seem like they're being chased, you know, but just an excellently well-made movie and also like the Hollywood stuff in Argo is so great.

1:08:21So happy to have that.

1:08:22Sean Fennessey:Yeah, Arkin and Goodman are fantastic in the movie. You have another pick? I have another pick. He just grabbed two. He had the last duel in Argo. Oh, that's right. Okay. So now I've got a pick. This is just feel. I'm going Oscar nominee The Martian just because there are vanishingly few acting nominations for our figures here. Right, but we opened it up. I know, but I feel better about picking The Martian here because Damon is the absolute center of the movie. He's phenomenal in this movie. It's also a hugely nominated movie. Two, four, six, seven nominations. Zero wins for The Martian. Shameful.

1:08:58Is somebody guys supporting not in this? No supporting.

1:09:00Sean Fennessey:It's screenplay, production design, sound editing, and sound mixing, and visual effects along with picture. What a crazy cast this movie had. Really good. Yeah. Really good. I like this movie a lot. I think this is the, perhaps the best use of Damon's talents in a film in terms of his ability to sell defeated, intelligent, overcoming struggle. Like he really, he uses all of his pitches. His talk show host, his talk show guest persona put into a giant blockbuster. Obviously a lot of credit to the novel and the story and the framework that he fit, but he slides right into it beautifully. Speaking of Ridley Scott, two Ridley Scott movies off the board already.

1:09:43Sean Fennessey:Okay, Dobbins, you got two picks. I'm going to take the other side of Matt Damon in Oscar nominee and it is, he was not nominated for an actor, a best actor for this, but he should have been. So I feel comfortable putting the talented Mr. Ripley in this space. Great. Which is my favorite Matt Damon performance. And it is, it is everything that The Martian is not. And it comes very soon after Good Will Hunting and he plays against his charisma and his confidence and is just like a really messed up weirdo. And I just couldn't love this movie more. You also screened this movie at the American Cinematic.

1:10:23Sean Fennessey:I did. A trend is on. Yes, for Friends of the Fest. So also my other two things in this category were The Martian and Argo, which you guys already took. So Talented Mr. Like I could have found something else, but that was all the Googling that I did. So now I have Matt and Ben together, supporting role, and wildcard left. I have a cute idea for Matt and Ben together. I think I can guess what that is. I think I can. Yeah, and I don't think that you guys are going to take it anywhere else. So you're going to wait. So I'm going to wait. And I think I can go into supporting role. You sure you don't want me to just take school ties and wildcard right now?

1:11:03Sean Fennessey:Because I'll do it. Oh, it's not that. It's a different one. It's not that. Yeah, it's a different one. But, you know, let's see. But so I think now I just got to go with what I want in supporting role. Even though I think you guys would go for the most obvious one, but I'm going to be cute and true to my heart and supporting role as well and take Ocean's 12. Oh, wow. Which, you know, it's an ensemble film. Yeah. And no, that's 13. This is no I. I wasn't in Four Weddings and a Funeral. he is more of the star of 12 yes but it's an ensemble listen okay I know what you're saying Linus does get his moment does he get the most lines in the movie yeah because of the Catherine Zeta Jones stuff and it's like Danny handing it over to Rusty and Linus does come into his own at the end of 12 and then he sets him up for 13 is he the star of 13 I gotta rewatch 13 I think if you have to pick a star he would be 13 yeah but so I choose him in in Ocean's 12 which is just an absolutely wonderful movie and and does embody like were I Adam Sandler and I could just pay for everyone like everyone I love to be in a fun movie together like I would I would pick Ocean's 12 and I'd pick all those people and I'd pick those locations and you know I'd learn some parkour and it would be a great time what is it?

1:12:31Sean Fennessey:is it south of France? Monaco? where are they? Where's Catherine Zeta-Jones living? Where's the Night Fox? Well, Night Fox is in the south of France. Yeah. So that's south of France. But I think they do the heist in Rome. I think that's where the egg is going to be on display. No, no, no. It's in Italy because they filmed it, like, not at Clooney's Como place, but, like, nearby. That's where Albert Finney is at the end, right? No, I think he's somewhere else on a different island. Can I make a request? Yeah. Will you guys refer to me as the Night Fox going forward? Sure. if you can do the dancing through the laser beams I will call you the Night Fox I think I need to stretch a little more to be able to figure that out how about this what if you just referred to me as the Night Fox not in my presence like will the Night Fox be there that's great do you know what time Night Fox is running so was that two or did you yeah that was two because I did Talented Mr.

1:13:20Ripley

1:13:21Sean Fennessey:okay so I'm up

1:13:26Sean Fennessey:I'm going blockbuster and I'm taking The Departed oh okay which I are you upset no You just ice grilled me there. Yeah, like you just, you held that reaction a little bit longer. The Departed was rocks. No, I was thinking, I was, I actually, when you said The Departed, I was like kicking myself for not talking about The Departed during the rip. Oh. Because I was like, this movie wound up being more like Den of Thieves than The Departed. I made it mention it. She did mention the, just the Matt Damon of it all. But you're right, that it faints away from The Departed. The Rat Damon. Yeah. Rat Damon, that's right.

1:13:59Can you call me Rat Damon?

1:14:03Sean Fennessey:Matt Damon not nominated for an Academy Award in this film. Despite shocking some of his best work. Obviously, Leo is also terrific in this movie. This movie won Best Picture, but didn't really get like all of those hosannas that you usually expect for a movie like this. And it makes them the Marty win feel even more like a makeup win or something. Because it's like this movie didn't get nine wins, even though I think it is pretty clearly lived on. It's the 20th anniversary of The Departed this year. And a wonderful re-re-re part. no we've reparted we need to re-repart yeah I could pot about this movie any day of the week it is fabulous and super weird as you've pointed out over the years the way that it's made where it just feels like they're like pre-torn jeans the movie you know it's just kind of like messy and burnt on the edges and the editing style is kind of insane tell me more about your concepts of pre-torn jeans well I've just spoken with Jack Fisk and he told me all about it sure oh he's distressing the jeans well he explained how they age things on set but you don't mean like right but that's very different from the like fake distress that you're walking into at Urban Outfitters.

1:15:03Sean Fennessey:You'll have to listen to the interview to learn how Master does it. He's doing it with craft. Are you implying that Sean gets his clothes from Urban Outfitters? I really don't know at this point. I'm having Jack Fisk make all my clothes go through. I don't know if Rag and Bone is selling distressed jeans at the silhouettes that Sean is looking for. I don't know. Perhaps. What number is it again? Three. Right in the middle there. Are you going to try and get sponsored by Rag and Bone? Doesn't hurt. Do you do like a distressed jean ever? Are you wearing new jeans or are you exclusively vintage at this point?

1:15:32I buy Levi's 502 made in Japan. Okay, but vintage or new made? How are those tariffs working out? Yeah. I'm taking a little bit of that. I don't get them from Japan.

1:15:44Sean Fennessey:Okay, but no. You don't fly to Japan to get them? I should though. The dollar is stronger. Is it salvage? Like, what are we talking about here? I'm wearing them right now. There's jeans. Yeah, but they're not distressing. Can I touch them? Yes. So weird. Zip fly or button fly? Zip. Okay. Oh, interesting. Is that wrong? No, I just, you know. You think that makes him less of a man?

1:16:06I prefer a straight button fly these days. Yeah, I'm only doing vintage also.

1:16:11Sean Fennessey:Okay. I'm wearing button fly as well. Blockbuster's a loaded category. The Departed was at the top of my list. A lot of contenders here. Have you taken Blockbuster yet? Yeah. Okay, so you have places to go. You have another pick? Nope, you have two picks now. In Blockbuster, I'll take Armageddon. Wow. Which is kind of the first thing. I wanted to wait a little bit for Ben. I don't think I'm going to pick another Affleck starring film or Affleck kind of fountain movie. Armageddon also blockbuster. You know, these guys are pretty popular people. So a lot of different kinds of movies are blockbusters for them.

1:16:49But Armageddon is the capital B blockbuster. I was seriously considering this in wildcard in order to expand my Ben palette. Oh, yeah. you know? So that's the funny thing about this. Because I don't know if my final is going to represent my passion. To me, the long list is 80-20 Matt to me. 70-30 Matt.

1:17:13Sean Fennessey:It's so, it's tough because Ben directed three really good movies. Yeah. And one, I think one truly great movie, which I drafted, and then two movies that I like a lot. Oh. So that does, it does balance the scales a little bit, but Damon's just got I think being in Oceans, Bourne, and Nolan movies is just pretty overwhelming. But yeah, I know that Bourne's in here and a lot of stuff, but Armageddon to me is when I close my eyes and think of a summer blockbuster. When he sings leaving on a jet plane, are you kidding me? Independence Day or whatever. Are you fucking kidding? My 15-year-old heart just absolutely shattered.

1:17:51Why didn't you draft it?

1:17:52Sean Fennessey:What are you doing? Why didn't you draft that movie? Because I got Gone Girl, which is still the single best movie about Ben Affleck. I stand by my choice. And also, I believe in a world where that movie is eligible for Blockbuster, okay? So that's pre-Netflix venture. So whatever. But it's, yeah, it's powerful. I'm just, I'm backing him up. Okay, cool. I like Armageddon too. Criterion collection. I was mean about the jeans, so, you know. To whom? To you, to the Zipfly. I'm sorry about that. There's nothing wrong with a Zipperfly. Yeah, well. What's wrong with it? Why'd you get into it? With your whole chest.

1:18:27What's up with zip flies? Well, I will actually tell you that post carrying two children, the zipper fly provides like a structural support that's like helpful to me. Okay. Yeah. A button fly. Yeah, the button fly. Yeah, sorry. So that's a practical take. You don't have to worry about that. It's kind of like racing on an earthquake zone home.

1:18:47Sean Fennessey:Is that like how it works? Literally, yes. Yeah, like racing the foundation. I know. You're like making a joke, but like this is what I'm dealing with every day. comparison. The skin, you know. Do you feel as though you may topple over at any moment? Not anymore in that way. Okay. Emotionally? And that's more of a core support, you know? Sure. You should look into that because I'm lifting stuff all day and as are you. I'm not lifting stuff? Right. That's what I'm saying and your back is suffering and I'm, you know, I'm doing my little workouts and I'm wearing my button fly jeans as a brace. This is not something I give a lot of thought to.

1:19:20You can't get this on any other movie podcast. So when my wife asks me

1:19:24Sean Fennessey:Why is no one competing? You can't compete with this conversation about button fly versus zipper fly. This is one of one content. I do have some jeans that are button fly. Yeah. When I put jeans on, it's not like what's the fly. I mean, it's just, it's also like the vintage 501s are button fly. And then the 505s are zipper, which I was like trying for a while, but they don't really hold their structure. I don't look good in 501s. That's okay. Have you tried on enough? I think so. Yeah. We should go to American Rags sometime. You and I go jean shopping. It's incredible. It's incredible content.

1:19:57That's good YouTube content.

1:19:58Sean Fennessey:You will not find that on Ringer Movies. Just for the record. Okay, Sierra, you've got another thing. I'm going to take Bourne Supremacy and Wild Card. Good. Great. It wasn't on my board. This is probably the sort of like the peak of the green grass iteration of these movies. I'm not a big Jason Bourne fan. The third one is good. but two is the one that features the huge twist in the beginning plus the Russia car chase. Cool. Yeah. And Matt Damon is really good as Jason Bourne. Did you see The Lost Bus? Paul Greengrass. You're looking at me like you've never seen me before. No, because I was just thinking that I almost put Paul Greengrass's new movie up on the auction where it's about a peasant rebellion in the 14th century.

1:20:47And that looks sick.

1:20:48Sean Fennessey:That film's called The Uprising. Yeah. It stars Andrew Garfield and Jamie Bell. I'm very excited about that movie. Love both those guys. It's actually produced by Blumhouse. I did not see Lost Bus. I know that it's right there on my Apple TV, but I didn't see it. Was not a big fan. Greengrass, I really like, generally. And I think his post-born output is a little underrated. Have you ever... What was the Tom Hanks pandemic movie? Yeah, well, sure. But News of the World is what I was talking about. Which is pretty good. I thought pretty good. I mean, he definitely just goes around town reading the news to people.

1:21:20But like,

1:21:21Sean Fennessey:you know. That's peak podcast. It's how we got our information. That's absolutely right. Okay. So you got two there. What do you have left? What do you have left? I have a supporting role. I have a supporting role left too and I'll be taking Days and Confused just to get my Ben numbers up. Okay. O 'Banion, legendary piece of shit. Affleck has done this part a few times. I also revisited Mallrats last night as Shannon. What's his way of describing anal sex in that? I'm going to have sex with her in an uncomfortable place. In an uncomfortable place. And they're like in the back of a honda. A very deranged movie.

1:22:01Sean Fennessey:I watched the movie last night. I watched the extended cut. You guys familiar with this? No. It's two hours and one minute. There's like a whole 15 minutes at the beginning of the movie that sets up Michael Rooker's character as like the, you know, the guy who's going to run this game show. Yeah. And there's lots of Claire Forlani and Jason London stuff at the beginning of it. Okay. Like, I didn't know existed. They, like, really sliced and diced this movie and that served it up to us, which, you know, is a favorite of ours and we watched as teenagers and it's extremely stupid. Though Jason Lee, possibly the single best performance of the 90s is Jason Lee in Mallrats.

1:22:35Sean Fennessey:He's the funniest person who's ever lived. I don't know what the hell happened to that dude. Bazing and Fused, though. Perfect film. Five-star classic. Nice. Nice introduction for Affleck, who is a very, I think, a very recognizable, insecure bully. I remember older kids in my high school that were like this guy, overcompensating and extremely mean to small children. So him getting the paint dumped on him, iconic shit. Love this movie. Okay, Amanda? So what do you have left? Oh, I have my last two. I have Matt and Ben together and I have Wildcard. So Matt and Ben together, Matt and Ben famously had cameos in the Fenway scene at Field of Dreams.

1:23:16in Field of Dreams. So I will be taking Field of Dreams. Fucking sneaky little. Yeah. See, there we go. That's what happens when you get the third pick. You got to be creative. It is eligible. That's a great call. Field of Dreams, just an absolutely amazing Costner performance. I also, this has nothing to do with Matt and Ben, but was rewatching scenes of Truth or Dare in order to get ready for the moment. I remember when Kevin Costner meets Madonna in Truth or Dare. Just very funny. What does he say to her? He's like pretty neat. That was neat. Thanks for having us. It's kind of like how I react eating mushrooms at a small place restaurant.

1:23:48That was neat. Anyway, I didn't get the Fenway raid from the heist from the town, but I got Field of Dreams. And then I have Wildcard, which could go a few different ways. So I was going to do Armageddon to get up my bed. And obviously Gone Baby Gone is still on the table. You know, at one point I had the accountant too, an indirect or produced by as like a back pocket situation. Tough one. That would have been rough. Who directed the accountant to?

1:24:21Sean Fennessey:Gavin O 'Connor. That's right. Who directed the accountant? Remember the team of hackers at the school? Oh my god, I forgot about that. Yeah. It was like the accountant to Havoc and what was the third one that we did together? This is basically this time last year. The amateur? The amateur. Yeah. Oh yeah. I really wish the amateur were better. Just needed a different lead. It did. Yeah. but put Andrew Garfield in there oh that would be good so I could do Maya Affleck but I guess and you already did Bourne Supremacy so what would I even should I do

1:25:04I don't really think I want to do Shakespeare in Love even though I do like that movie and he's good in it you're in Wildcard right now? Gwynethera yeah okay

1:25:13Sean Fennessey:Jack have the Mets done anything since we started? I don't believe so So there's no time limit on when they can It's not like I mean all the guys will be gone over the weekend probably Time limit on baseball you mean? It's not like there's not a deadline No this is something that people have been asking for in the sport because this has been a really elongated offseason but I mean pitchers and catchers in three weeks He holds all his guys hostage for a while There's still some big players on the board though Frambois Valdez still unsigned how do you feel about losing ranger i mean i liked him i'll do gone baby gone gone baby gone yeah good pick well well ranger swaris owned the mets listen i respect ben affleck gone baby guns an incredible awesome i've also tried to get also like amy madigan back in the news you know good point so it's very upsetting yeah i tried to get able to do and he was like it's too upsetting it's really really upsetting i rewatched a bit last night and i was like oh yeah it's true hereditary is funnier though yeah yeah i've been the coke house i think it's really sad not to not to spoil 20 not to spoil bone temple and hereditary so i guess fast forward but um hereditary is 10 years old well you never know with people on this show just like absolutely grow up if they had one other movie podcast to listen to maybe they could find one that doesn't spoil Bo Temple.

1:26:39So people being lit on fire doesn't bug me at all. I just think it's kind of cool. There I am on that. That's my take. We should get you into

1:26:46Sean Fennessey:the Halloween movies because I feel like Michael Myers is frequently being lit on fire and then five minutes later he's like, I'm fine. It's so interesting you should say that because I was talking to Phoebe last night about different things on the pit that gross us out versus stuff that doesn't. And she's really not into anything with skin. oh yeah skin is upsetting but like Bone Temple's a no-go which Bone Temple I don't want to see them after they've been lit on fire yeah but like when they burst into flames I'm just like but I'm like the power of fire almost all I need you to get four fingers in there and lift that up eat me the American Prometheus the power of fire anyway Gone Baby Gone is a very upsetting great pick I haven't revisited this in a while I'd like to see it again I like this movie a lot it's quite good the board really just played it completely in my favor.

1:27:36Sean Fennessey:I got everything I wanted and I'm going to get what I wanted at Wild Card. So I'm really happy about it. How wild are you going to get Wild Card? Well, I just feel like I've been stymied quite a bit in drafts recently. So you're going to pick Oppenheimer here? No, I'm going to take Rounders, which is one of my favorite movies of all time. And some of the best Damon you'll ever see. And I think one of his great star parts, star turns, as a kind of classical to your point earlier about how they're kind of these like emissaries of Hollywood who stand for a certain kind of thing the pardon rounders as constructed is something that you know Paul Newman could have played that any any great star from the 50s 60s 70s or 80s could have played and Damon fits that so comfortably I love that movie I've talked about it incessantly over the last whatever years I've been podcasting feeling good about it uh so I have one my last pick then yes supporting role saving private ryan yeah uh there's a ton of really good matt damon work out there that i could shout out for supporting role from one of his breakthroughs and courage under fire to his appearance in uh che part two um but i i think no sudden move no sudden move more of like a cameo but an incredible cameo yeah um but yeah i will go with Saving Private Ryan just watched like a very delightful I think he was talking to I can't remember who he was talking to but Damon telling an anecdote about Spielberg like doing two takes and moving on and being like just trust me like I know how to make a movie he's interesting in this movie just because I think when I watched it I wasn't like that guy's gonna be in my life for the next 35 years as a major movie star like he's supposed to be a little bit annoying in this film they're supposed to have a genius aspect of the screenwriting is to make him kind of an ingrate and to be, you know, ungrateful for this journey that these men have gone on.

1:29:29Exactly. So, but a fantastic performance in a five-star all-timer movie.

1:29:35Sean Fennessey:A lot of really good Ben-supporting parts that are a little bit lost to time. Like Boiler Room? Boiler Room's one, right? It's a great, that's kind of an extended cameo. Hollywood Land, where he plays George Reeves, who played Superman. He's really, that sort of kicked off his comeback after the series of misses he had at the box office. I thought he was really funny in Extract. Did you ever see the Mike Judge movie starring Jason Bateman? The guy who owns a liquid extract company. And Affleck plays his buddy. He's so funny in that movie. Tender Bar? I almost did Tender Bar. He's very funny in air.

1:30:10Sean Fennessey:Very effective as Phil Knight. I was just watching it was on cable the other night. State of Play. Oh yeah. Where he plays the congressman. I much prefer the British adaptation of that. Which I think you put me on too. That was one of my first like there's TV over there and you can get it on like BitTorrent and it's amazing. I remember you definitely showed that to me. Not that I used BitTorrent. Pirate Bay is what you used. Not that I used any torrenting sites. You did you said. Did not. You said you did. Pam Bondi don't come at me. Don't at me. You mentioned Shakespeare in Love. Also a good Ben supporting part.

1:30:42Sean Fennessey:Interstellar Undrafted? Yeah. What? Chris didn't do it. Yeah. I mean I adore Interstellar. I thought about taking a block Buster. Is Oppenheimer a supporting part? I had it on the list as well. Wasn't he nominated for supporting actor? No, he wasn't. He should have been. Probably. He's really good. This is the most important thing in the history of the world. True Grit, also a great supporting part. Fuck yeah, dude. La Beef? Yeah. Love True Grit. Ford B. Ferrari? Doesn't it feel like Affleck should have been in a Coen Brothers movie? It does. At some point. Maybe they don't find him funny. Yeah.

1:31:21Sean Fennessey:I do. I think he's very funny. But he's funny in a different way than George Clooney is funny. Like the unknowing or the true dumb humor that they do with Pitt too. Ben Affleck's not like dumb funny. Yeah. Yeah. You can see him trying to do that specifically in Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back and Jay and Silent Bob Reboot. Yes. Doesn't work quite as well. He's a smart ass. That's the appeal. He's a smart ass. Do you guys think about drafting Promised Land? I had it noted that that was one of... Gus Van Zandt's Promised Land? That was an early version of Matt Damon producer or actor, right? Co-written by John Krasinski.

1:32:02Jerry? Jerry.

1:32:05Sean Fennessey:That's a leading role. He edited that movie too, right? Matt Damon edited Jerry? I think so. The Gus Van Zandt movie? Wow. Very cool. What about Invictus? Did not have that on any of my lists. One of the only acting nominations. Directed by Clint Eastwood. Yeah. About the South African rugby team. Edited by Casey Affleck, Matt Damon, and Gus Van Sant. Sick. Only got in the editing bay together. Got in the Avid. Do you think the three of us should let Jack take a playoff and we cut an episode of The Big Picture together? I'll do a lot of VO. Yeah. That's what I'm thinking. That sounds fucking awesome.

1:32:41Sean Fennessey:You just want to have more time off. Yeah, I get it. No, I would legitimately like to see. What else? Any other honorable mentions that we didn't get to? I didn't do Born Identity because he did Born Supremacy. Born Identity is my favorite. Europe. Oh, seems nice. Yeah. The Informant. Yeah. Love him. Love Matt Damon in The Informant. That was my backup for Wild Card. And in Behind the Candelabra. Yes. He's great in Behind the... Very funny in Behind the Candelabra. Really. Who's your favorite Matt Damon director-actor partnership? Like, who do you love him with the most? Mm-hmm. It's a fun question.

1:33:18It's gotta be Soderbergh, right? Yeah, it is. Over Nolan? I mean, but that's just, that's numbers, you know? That's all the oceans. Because I, the informant, he's really good in, but I prefer Damon to either be, like, evil. You know, treading on, like, really messed up, or, like, the good guy. Yeah. You know?

1:33:38Sean Fennessey:Well, so he's had seven movies with Soderbergh? Informant, Candelabra. Three, three oceans. He's in, uh, No Sudden Move. Side effects. for one scene. Oh, he's in side effects. He's in Unsane. Yep. No, wait, is he in side effects or Unsane? Maybe it's Unsane. Unsane. Yeah. No, then there's one other big one that I'm forgetting right now. Che. Che. That was the other one. I think he's in nine Soderbergh movies. I love it. Yeah. I mean, so it's got to be far and away Soderbergh. That's pretty, it's pretty great. Admired that. One Scorsese. Mm-hmm. Two Nolens or three? I think it's just Interstellar and Oppenheimer.

1:34:18Sean Fennessey:and now Odyssey. Now Odyssey, right? He's got four Kevin Smith films. Right? Mallrats, Chasing Amy, Dogma, Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, Jay and Silent Bob Reboot. Five of those and then two Gus Van Sant's. Right? Jerry and Goodwill. Plus something else. He's briefly in Finding Forrester as a cameo. Affleck doesn't have that. Affleck doesn't have his guy. He doesn't. I think probably because he thinks he's the guy. His guy is himself. His guy, sadly, was Zack Snyder. He was the bomb in Phantoms, though, as you may recall. Yeah, who is this guy? John Frankenheimer in Reindeer Games? John Woo.

1:35:01Sean Fennessey:John Woo in Paycheck? Yeah. I mean, it's Bay. It's Bay. I guess so, yeah. It's Pearl Harbor and it's Armageddon. That's his dude. Yeah, I mean, Jake Gyllenhaal is doing Affleck in Ambulance. Very true. Very true. Ben walked so Jake could run I like that Jake in the bride I didn't know that Ben is always running Should Ben run for public office? He can do whatever he wants He's like the office manager at Artist Equity He's like making sure the pens are there Okay now that we're at the end of the episode no one's listening anymore I have one final question around this It's not nice but I'm going to ask it Beard dye?

1:35:39For Ben? Oh is he using beard dye?

1:35:41Sean Fennessey:I mean he obviously is using it Yeah that's okay That's okay? That's normal? I think he's just, whatever he's, makes him happy and stable. I'm not shaming him. I'm asking. So you're, you're going silver and you have like, it's a nice color, which is nice. But so you're not dying your hair. No. I'm not saying I won't. But like, I might. So dying your hair, either to cover grays or just like in life, is just very normal. So I don't understand how the beard is any different. This is like a 55 year old man with jet black facial hair. Right. I think the beard also, like. I think when you dye your beard, it looks weirdly less authentic than when you dye your hair.

1:36:20Yeah. I mean, it does seem like the beard dyers and groomers are not kind of doing like the layering that they're doing in the hair. And we're not kind of like layering the approach. Do you think Ben is Zipfly or Buttonfly? Oh, he's Zipfly. Those jeans are too skinny. You know, I would I would work with him on that personally. you're just

1:36:43Sean Fennessey:you're captured by the fashion industry you're like you're concerned for what is on trend relative to Ben Affleck's physique no I think they are like actually too skinny where he looks it's like a proportions issue because he's broader up top he's got a big refrigerator body you know he's got a big refrigerator on top and then they go like and he's like really sticking like I think there is like stretch in the jeans you know sure and I don't think we need to go quite as stovepipe I gotcha like I think we could do it's slim is fine slim straight we don't need to be like a wide leg thing I'm not on that but they are we don't need any stretch jeans do you have stretch in your jeans Sean Fennessey good right now no there's I'm just I can't you know tug on them as you did I just touched them yeah I just wanted to connect my brother look at this gentle shoulder yeah this is a okay this is an acrylic material a top that I'm wearing you look like you're like gonna direct traffic but in in a war zone It's a nice color on you.

1:37:42Thanks. I got it in England. In England? There you go. Yeah, that's what it comes from Japan.

1:37:47Sean Fennessey:Tariffs. Are there tariffs in England as well? There are. Wow, interesting. Well, that was an interesting draft. You guys feel good about it? Yeah, I thought it was very congenial. There was no, like, how fucking dare you. I took, you took Gone Girl and you piece of shit. Should we recap the teams real quick? I'm sad that I didn't get the town, especially. You know, that's as soon as the draft order was, I was like, well, it's gone. That's one of the most important pieces of cinema. Okay, Sierra, you chose first. So what did you get? I got, in Blockbuster, I took Armageddon. In Oscar nominee, I took Good Will Hunting.

1:38:19In Matt and Ben together, I grabbed Blast Duel. In directed or produced by Argo, in supporting role, I took Saving Private Ryan. And in Wildcard, I took The Bourne Supremacy. In Blockbuster, I got The Departed.

1:38:36Sean Fennessey:In Oscar nominee, I got The Martian. In Matt and Ben together, I got Dogma. directed or produced by I took The Town supporting role I took Dazed and Confused and Wildcard I took Rounders in Blockbuster I took Gone Girl in Oscar nominee The Talented Mr. Ripley in Matt and Ben Together Field of Dreams in directed or produced by Manchester by the Sea in supporting role Ocean's Twelve and in Wildcard Gone Baby Gone pretty good draft so next time you hear from us we will be here 7am for the Academy Award nominations it's 7 now or 7.30 what did we say 7.30 we can do 7 if you want 6am are you guys doing them like a live reaction or you're just recording just like we always do pretty early in the morning because they're announced at 5.30 something because of once upon a time people watched morning shows it's really stupid what's the biggest shock that you could see happening shock yeah F1 best picture or somebody getting left out none of the all of those permutations are so feel very possible.

1:39:39Sean Fennessey:Something like Leo not being nominated would be shocking. You know, something like that where you're like someone who we had in or like Michael B. Jordan, you know, somebody here like, I'm pretty sure this is happening. Right. Being left out. And there usually is one thing. I'm still here made Best Picture last year and I was like, what? Right. And then that got us all gassed on the Secret Agent because versus like Brazil. Right. Brazil will reign supreme forever. Right. I don't know. What about for you? Anything that would be really shocking? Yeah. I think that if what he said about the actors and I guess I wouldn't be shocked if Emma Stone gets in.

1:40:19But, you know, if there's like a huge begonia wave, I'll be like, oh, interesting. I didn't see this coming. I think we've been talking, you know, there might be four international features in Best Picture. There might be one, you know. So I think I'll be very surprised if it was just an accident gets completely locked out, which it sort of was in the last wave of Guild. It's in play. Yeah. And that would be not surprising, but to be like, oh, that's not a good look. It's an amazing film and incredibly germane historical moment. Yeah.

1:40:52Sean Fennessey:It's always interesting when it's something being weaker than you thought rather than stronger than you thought. It's always more surprising. The guilds have been weirdly like domestic leaning, but the internationalization of the Academy itself will probably lead to a more... More interesting reveal of news. Gotcha. It's harder to predict because of this because I think you're right. I think if it's four international nominees, we're going to be like, we don't have to worry as much about the precursors as we used to because they don't really mean a lot relative to what the Academy is now. We'll talk all about it on Thursday morning.

1:41:23Sean Fennessey:Sierra, thank you so much. My pleasure. Three episodes in a row. Yeah. You smoked all three. I don't know when I'm coming back though. When do you want to be back? Um, let's see what happens with that I heart thing. You guys get back to me. All right. I think those awards are in March. So no, I'm sure I'll be back at some point. My idea, my idea was to do an Oscar snubs draft. Oh, that's a great one. Yeah. So that could be. Is that how are you defining snubs? Just not nominated or not winning? I don't know. What do you think? It's open. I mean, the not winning would also be. There could be you were nominated, but didn't win.

1:41:56Sean Fennessey:Or they could be you didn't get nominated. I mean, you could have different categories. Or we could say this is just in the 2000s or this is just in the 90s. There's a lot of permutations we could do. We've done Best Picture winner draft. Yeah, but it was polite. They've been polite. Yeah. We may add some special guests as well to make it a little bit more competitive. I'll come back for Crime 101. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think Garbage Crime is coming back. Okay. That's exciting. I think it's important to talk about it. I think it's important to talk about heat. And it's important to talk about jeans.

1:42:25Sean Fennessey:It's a little disgusting. and we won't let it stand. Eat? We need to get more hours on the board of heat talk. Thanks to Jack Sanders for his work on this episode. Jack, we killed it this week, dude. A lot of recordings. How are you feeling? Top of the world. Next week, no recordings, Monday through Wednesday. I'm fucking pumped. I'm pumped too. Have a great Martin Luther King Day. We'll see you soon.

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