The Paul Thomas Anderson Movie Character Draft

28:43Mm-hmm. So I think that I... I don't know what you're referring to. I think that I really... well like Phantom Thread is when like my heart opened up to him you know and then and then I think probably I like went back to Magnolia and went to other places and was like oh like I really understand this wavelength but there will be blood the master moment those are two phenomenal movies I think you're dead I think that there is like a little something happens when he makes Inherent Vice Phantom Thread Licorice Pizza there feels like a kind of like you know what of let's let's open up the much sweeter his movies are much sweeter they're much less they have kind of the same i think thematic concern you know like all of his movies have a very similar kind of thematic concern about like the tenseness of relationships and the way that people fit into society and what their roles are supposed to be but those three movies are i think ultimately about love and the master in there will be blood or the master is about love but it is about a very dark, painful love.

29:46And There Will Be Blood is about hate. You know, it's really about division. I think, obviously, it's very similar to you. I don't think I, I can't remember if I saw Boogie Nights in theaters and I can't even remember what I said on the Rewatchables a few years ago when we did it. I know that when I saw it, I was like, I have to watch this a hundred times in a row. And I was not, since I'm a little bit younger than you, I wasn't immediately like, oh, this is Goodfellas or oh, this is, I've seen these moves before. I was like, it kind of shattered my mind. It shattered my mind. I was like, this is the most exciting thing I've ever seen.

30:19That and Pulp are the two movies where I was like, and you know, unfortunately, I am in some ways an avatar for an entire strain of guy who likes movies who is an annoying guy. I don't think that that changes anything about how special I think his movies are and how much they have impacted people. And so it's very cool that we can feel in the atmosphere of movie-dom. Yeah. This is kind of happening this year, it seems like. Sure, it is. And it's a lot of fun in part because we'll talk about it a lot more when we talk about the movie, but the new movie to me feels like this kind of accumulation of both of these two strands that Amanda's talking about.

31:01You know, that it's like, it is the movie that he has been kind of working towards that pulls in all that stuff from 96 through 2012. And then also all that stuff from 2014 through 2023. So I re-watched Magnolia a week ago. And I hadn't seen it since we did a re-watchables about it. And on that re-watchables, I was kind of like, this movie is really messy and like kind of, it's not a miss, but going back to it, I don't feel the same way I did when I was in high school. And then when I watched it last week, I was like, it's one of the best movies ever made. Yeah. And its ambition is not a bug. Yeah.

31:43It is like, it is the feature. And it is like so feeling. And it is a lot of what you've seen in the last couple of movies is all in that movie too. Absolutely. Which is why I think I must have like gone back. I must not have seen it until later in because it doesn't have the, I rewatching, I rewatched Inherent Vice or parts of it for this because again, lots of characters in there. And also, you know, we're going to be talking about another, at least inspired by Pynchon PTA film very soon. Yep. And I was essentially, I was pissed off again. At Inherit Vice. Yeah, and Inherit Vice famously caused one of the worst fights between me and my now husband that we ever had.

32:18But I just really... Was it over Reese Witherspoon or what was it about? No, it was about having to watch the Eagles game straight into this. And I was just like, I would like my Sunday back, you asshole. But it feels... Do you think if you smoked more weed, you would enjoy Inherit Vice more? Or the Eagles?

32:39I don't know. do you think weed would be the drug that I mean I understand that weed is like I mean weed's the drug to anything that maybe nine light beers that would also help you know I don't know I don't know I'm not very good I do think that that's a movie that has always been near the bottom for my yeah my list of of PTA's movies but near the bottom is like so it's four and a half stars and not five yeah it's well made everybody's good in it it's just like once you give up on trying to understand it it's just like reading a book yeah it's just like oh yeah you're It's kind of flowing through it.

33:11But I hear you. We all have differing tastes. Have you had any kind of rediscoveries or any ones that you have clicked into more in the last 20 years? I haven't had the kind of moment that you had with Magnolia about any particular movie because I think that as he became sort of like up and around the greatest living filmmaker talk conversation, each movie feels like an event when you go see it. it's kind of like going to see a Tarantino movie. So I remember going to see The Master at midnight and like stumbling out of the arc light at like 2.30 in the morning. Me and you and Papadimus. Yeah, and just like staring at you and staring at Alex and then just being like, I just want to go home and think about my dad for a while.

33:53You know, and it's like, it's just an intense experience to go see his films. And, but then when you go back and sort of check them out in different contexts and outside of that sort of first night mania and tizzy that you're in, there's just so many different emotional shades to them. I think that was the reason Phantom Thrive was so successful for a lot of people was that those emotional shades immediately revealed themselves. There were people who were like, oh, this is funny. Like, I think it's funny in the moment to watch this film rather than like a trenchant, like analysis of that deeply broken relationship.

34:27And then you find out it's funny later. Like, so I think that as he's gotten older, he's gotten almost better at dialing in, the desired effect of his films. I don't know. But yeah, I don't have a film that I disliked and went back and liked. I think The Master is the one that's the hardest to watch for a variety of reasons, but I think it's also among his best movies. Saw The Master at the Ziegfeld Theater in New York with Zach Barron, and then had dinner afterwards with Zach, Andy Greenwald, and Chuck Klosterman. So imagine that table. And then when did the Eagles have it? That was Inherent Vice.

35:04Oh, in Heroprenees. I'm sorry. Wait, wait. And that was the first time I met Chuck. Zach, Andy, Chuck, and who else? And myself. The four of you guys. Okay. After the master. Did you talk about the master? Yeah, we did. I mean, I did. Did you feel like... I think I was mostly just like, uh-huh, uh-huh. I was just like, imagine it's the first time you've met Chuck. Yeah. And you've just seen the master. Yeah. And then you're just like in some, you know, basement restaurant that Andy insisted on walking 10 blocks to. Chuck is also in the cult of Paul. Yeah. He really is a huge Paul Thomas Anderson fan.

35:31It was great. It was really fun. but I just remember it was an overwhelming night. Yeah, I mean, all these movies are good. I saw one battle for another and then I immediately went and saw it again, to your point about rewatchability. I'll probably see it in theaters four or five times. It's not that they're like these densely packed info, you know, philosophical mind fucks either. They're not those kinds of movies. They're not Nolan-esque. You know, they're not like Kubrick movies where you're like, what does it all mean? Like it's not, they're not mysterious in that specific way with the exception of The Master, which I think is still kind of like, you can define it in many different kinds of ways, what it means and what it's about.

36:10But they're just, they're fun. They're just very fun. What is, I was curious without talking about the film itself and getting into any spoilers, like what was your reaction to seeing a PTA movie that was actually set in the era that it was made? I thought he achieved it in his own way yeah it's often it wasn't really a knock but it was a running piece of commentary about Paul Thomas Anderson movies was that he's somebody who's disinterested in making art about our current moment and you know you could say that's because he doesn't like cell phones or you could say because lots of different reasons but it was I'm fascinated yeah this is the first time since Magnolia no since Punch Drunk Glove Punch Drunk it's yeah you'll see you'll see it is like it's not that's true but it's it's not it's not a it's not a looking at your phone movie cool in a good way yeah but it's also you know it's all like PTA world basically which is you know and that was kind of what was fun about this was you just like it's eight different movies to pick from nine nine but well Jun 'un too did you will you be drafting any of the musicians from Jun 'un No?

37:24No. Anima, the Tom York short film? Did you pick any of the Heim sisters from any of the Heim videos? I would like to. Well, okay. But they're all, you know, and they're set in different places at different times. But they all have a flavor. It's, you know, it's a clubhouse. Yeah, it's all like paper dolls, right? They're all connected to each other in some way. You can see that. And I was saying to Jack before we were recording this morning, this is not you get good fellas or you die in this draft like no one's gonna lose no one's gonna be like how could you take that from me like I think yeah there's enough to go around so you know what I wanted to ask you guys before we get into the drafting itself and I don't really know if there's an answer to this question but I obviously we podcast about movies and television a lot and you are referring to the plots and sometimes you refer to the characters by the character names and sometimes you'll be like De Niro did that does this or De Niro does that And so I try in my mind when I'm talking about something element of performance to do the actor name.

38:27But if I'm doing plot, I'm trying to talk about the character name. But as I was going through all these PTA characters to choose who to draft from, it's funny how often I'm like, that's Philip Seymour Hoffman. It's not a character. And it's like, maybe he's a very specific case because of their relationship. but that like how often I feel like Paul Thomas Anderson seems to almost find something about the actor or actress beyond the character. Like it's I associate Julianne Moore with these people and being in these movies to the extent where I'm like, that's what Julianne Moore was like back then, which is a strange phenomenon.

39:10I don't know. I can't I can't I can't I don't think I don't think Robert De Niro is Jimmy Conway, you know, like when I'm talking about Goodfellas. I'm like, yes, like that's Jimmy Conway and that's Tommy and that's Henry Hill. But with these, I'm like, right. And then, and then Adam Sandler does this. Well, he does, he uses, like he has a troop, you know? So the same people, the same actors show up in different movies and are like sort of associated with PTA world. So in that sense, you do start thinking about like, I mean, the number of Philip Seymour Hoffman things, characters that we could draft and I probably will.

39:47But I think it's natural that in that sense you start grouping him under him. Yeah, I think part of it is that he has gotten the best work out of people's careers out of a handful of his favorites, right? John C. Reilly, Julianne Moore, Phil Hoffman, like all of those people who pop up in three, four, five movies, William H. Macy, like he's great at that. He's also really good at, and this can be an entree into the categories, but the kind of like one scene, you know, contained space with a character we haven't seen yet in the movie who takes over the movie for five minutes or ten minutes. And he obviously writes a lot of ensemble movies.

40:28He writes a lot of movies where people are kind of moving around a lot of places and going to new spaces and you're discovering things in real time. They're not like plot engines, his movies. You know, they're really more kind of more journey like. And so you just get a ton of people introduced to you all the time. And some of them are very famous actors and some of them are actors you haven't seen in 30 years. And some of them are people you don't think of as actors at all. You know, I will never forget seeing James Downey, the SNL writer, pop up and there will be blood. And thinking like, I don't think I've seen this guy in a movie except for Billy Madison when he was, you know, hosting the trivia contest at the end of the movie.

41:03That's the only James Downey performance I could think of when I saw the movie. and he just has a tendency to kind of like pluck people that he thinks are interesting. There's plenty of that in the new movie too. So yeah, he's got a robust bench for sure. Categories. Do you feel that I navigated this correctly? Have we ever done a character draft before? No. We have done drafts of actors' careers and directors' careers, I think. Will our next character draft be Skydance characters? Yep. we did Tom Cruise that'll be a live event though on Larry Ellison's Island do we do yeah we did Tom Cruise Denzel Denzel Cluney and Pit have we done directors maybe not I can't think of any off the top of my head maybe not we never did a Marty draft we were maybe going to but did we do a Marty draft Jack documentary's coming yeah I know I've watched two-fifths of it crack I don't think so Amanda okay Martin Scorsese draft the big picture yeah I felt like it was on the schedule at some point but got something I can share with you guys about that off mic okay sorry everybody about the draft or about Martin Scorsese oh great I know I gotta watch it but I have to see like 45 movies it's a busy time so category wise yeah leading actor leading actress supporting actor supporting actress twist one scene star mega twist oh I forgot to prep needle drop needle drop I can do it I have to do it right now though and then wild card that's seven categories I had a twist for wild card that I would just like to present right here because sometimes we get to wild card and it's like I will also pick something cool what about PTA character you would most like to be in a committed relationship with okay super easy okay now will you draft to kind of take characters away I'm just saying it's interesting to consider yeah I can think of a few I can think of a few yeah um you want to do you need five minutes for needle drop no I mean you know if if you guys are nice then it's then it's fine but you're probably not nice so I'll just there's so many I know exactly I know but like there are multiple listicles that are like here are the 20 best PTA needle drops I know, but I don't like to do it like that, you know?

43:34She likes to just know. Yeah. Tell you what, we'll stop down, you go back, watch all nine movies again. We'll wait here. Chris and I will sit here, we'll catch up. We haven't seen each other too much recently. Okay. We'll talk about The Tomorrow War. Yep. Okay. We'll revisit The Tomorrow War, record a live YouTube pod where we watch Tomorrow War. Uh-huh. Oh, yeah. Okay. You come back. Yeah. You say, I love all the needle drops in The Master. Here are my favorites. Okay. you want to draft yeah let's draft any other any other stray thoughts no I don't think so Paul's kind of looming over your shoulder here right behind you just so you know okay which um oh that's okay that's a nice photo good job Paul wow Jack we have to set the draft order Bill just asked if I would trade Drake May for Tua Tagovaiola and our what wait he wants Tua yeah no he wants to trade me Tua for oh Drake I mean, Chris, under no circumstance can you do that.

44:33I know that. But I'm also just like, I didn't draft Drake. He's not my guy. You should say yes if we can do Sicario next week. That's great. Ooh, that's good. This is exciting. Things happening in real time. I would be willing to let Bill have Drake. Because, you know, we don't know if Drake may. We don't. Based on what we saw last week. I didn't draft him. He may not be it. Tate picked him first for content. How are you feeling about your team? Well, it depends on whether AJ Brown ever gets any targets again. Gotta talk to Jalen Hurts about that. It's a tough one. He'll be fine. He's going to catch 80 balls for 1 ,200 yards.

45:11I need the kid from the Commanders to be consistently awesome. The kid from the Commanders? Bill. Bill. Yeah, sure. Bill. He scored a touchdown in week one. He did. He had 82 yards. But now I'm like, I made a GM decision with him. Starting him. Okay. so I need him to play well Jerry Judy's on the bench my team sucks but my two best players might be on the Jets so that's been exciting thus far Brie Saul is back how you feeling you feel caught up now we did a little fantasy football talk sort of I wasn't really listening to that I was googling things and then I I found a very funny tweet about a one battle after another needle drop that but you know whatever can't take those I know I know I understand can't take those I think I'll be okay it's all Chapel Roan one battle after another.

45:5915 Chapel Rhone songs. I really am working through Emerald Fennell doing like all Charlie XCX for Wuthering Heights. Yeah. I mean, I hope Charlie got a lot of money. It's been so fun to watch everything kind of come back on Amanda. Right. You know, like, first they came for my beloved IP and remade it with Devil Wears Prada. And she was like, ha ha, you guys have to watch all these bad Star Wars movies. But now, yes, now it's like pained romantic period pieces. I mean, like I said, I'm not a Bronte gal. I'm much more concerned about the Sense and Sensibility remake and then and the Pride and Prejudice series.

46:34I think it'll be okay. Okay. Anyway, your boy Jack Loden, Mr. Darcy. He's the best. But they had to use body doubles because their kid arrived and so he's on parental leave. Oh, wow. Body doubles where? Like on set to finish up shots. I don't know. This is according to the Daily Mail. You go on parental leave in the middle of a film? Well, they had a baby. I think it was at the end. I don't know. He doesn't work in tech. What does that mean? He's a fucking actor. okay I'm not saying he doesn't deserve parental leave I'm just saying like he's on camera yeah this is according to the Daily Mail and in the UK they do have much better parental leave than we have here I'm gonna go back on parental leave I know I know I'm still gonna take it I'm gonna take six months of parental leave just cause I have a four year old I need parental leave sorry guys you think that would be okay I'm gonna trade Drake May for Tua and your parental leave and then I'm gonna take your parental leave that's all you get out of this trade, then that's not enough.

47:30Okay. You need to get Sicario and what else? If you could do a rewatchables on any Paul Thomas Anderson movie, what would you do? Obviously, we've done a handful. I think the expectation is eventually we'll do all of them, right? I honestly don't even know if Bill is seen in her advice. I know he really likes Phantom Thread and Licorice Pizza. Phantom Thread would be my pick, obviously. Good pick. That's a very rewatchable movie. With many great scenes. I just think that the Mastery Rewatchables would be the funniest thing we could possibly do. It's my number one pick. It is probably my current number one.

48:03Yeah. Well, yeah, but... Pig fuck! But here's the thing, is that it can't be all three of you. It either has to be you and Bill, or it has to be you and Bill, or it has to be you two. No, it has to be him and Bill. No, you know, and then no Bill. And that would be funny too. But it has to be two men enter a room. I think it should be Van and Kyle Brandt.

48:25I would love that, honestly. I don't know if I could love something more than Van and Kyle Brand talking for two hours. If it was the fantasy guys. Have they done Casablanca yet? No. Yeah, it's not going to be sad. It's too bad. Okay. So we've got our categories. We've got to get draft order. Jack Sanders, you ready? Yeah, just really quickly before we set the draft order, I can't stop thinking about Amanda suggesting me reenacting all of Avatar to CR. And there is nothing that would bring me more joy than not telling him anything, showing up to the studio, painting my full body blue, getting some costume design, and acting it out.

49:00Look, this is your big opportunity. Draft order time. Oh, right. We have the weird... Dungeons and Dragons. Cube. Selecting first, Amanda Dobbins. Wow. Wow. Okay. Stress, stress.

49:19Selecting second, CR, Sean third. Okay. Wow.

49:54refresh your good vibes okay draft time Amanda has the very first overall pick and I don't know what you're gonna do there's no bad choices there's no bad choices but I think I have some clarity about what's probably the most shared between the three of us and watch me be incredibly wrong but I am going to in supporting actor take Frank TJ Mackey aka Tom Cruise from Magnolia interesting Now, I was actually going to ask, is this a lead or not? Magnolia is so hard because it's like 15 supporting characters, but also 15 leads, you know, because those characters are so deep. Was there discussion about, did he get nominated for this?

50:38He did. And for supporting actor or actor? Supporting. Yeah. Okay. I would still consider him lead actor in this. Oh, interesting. So I wrote down lead as well, but I definitely would let you take him in supporting. Yes. I think that I have everyone in Magnolia in supporting. At supporting? Yeah. I don't have everyone else. Oh, and you have him? Oh, I don't. Just because it's such a giant performance? Yeah, it's like he headlines the movie. I mean, he does, but he is. I think he's kind of the fulcrum of the movie. In some ways, but he is like one of a web of people. Anyway. Did you notice that a character, an actress who interacts with him in that movie is in one battle after another?

51:23Um, no. Okay, we'll talk about it afterwards. But I have only seen it the once, so that's fine. Anyway, this is one of his best performances. His, like, most against tape performance. And I would imagine in the moment felt like, oh, this is like really what, you know, Tom Cruise can do. And it starts off, he does Magnolia, then he does Eyes Wide Shut, he works with Spielberg, you know, he's really in a cool zone. and eventually the wheels come off. But there's like a lot of potential in this performance in addition to him just being absolutely like psychotic and insane in the best way. And it does, like it is a performance, but you're like, it sort of helps understand Tom Cruise.

52:08It's like, oh, this is why you're so weird. Like there is, this is... A little bit of a skeleton key. Yeah, there's something going on here with you. I always loved that he agreed to do this. Yeah. because you can feel PTA writing into Tom Cruise's oddity. You know, his unusual weird charisma. Just like when he's just like, cocksucker. It's like such a weird thing to come out of his mouth. But then like the whole thing is like, that's what you used to call me. And like, you know. The scene where he breaks down in front of his father is obviously the one that is the most cited in terms of like the greatness of his performance and how he kind of choreographed a lot of that.

52:46and PTA always gives him credit for that. But to me, re-watching the movie last week, it's the scene when he's being interviewed and when the interviewer reveals to him that she knows the truth about his parents and his mom and that she's died. And Cruz doesn't say a lot, but the camera is holding on him and his wheels are turning so hard and he's so mad and so sad. Very special. Might be his best performance. I mean, it's definitely up there. Yeah. It's like his best like capital A acting performance, you know? Then there's some Tom Cruise like serendipitous moments. Sure. Yeah. Okay. That's a very good pick.

53:23Okay. Chris, you have a pick. I will take Daniel Day-Lewis in There Will Be Blood as Daniel Plainview. And I was, you know, there are many Daniel Day-Lewis performances or at least two that you could think of for this character draft. But I was trying to put myself back in the mindset of seeing this for the first time you know and i think that this marked a sort of change in the road for ddl where it was like he's only going to act every couple of years and when he does he is going to be like a storm cloud arriving over your head and you know just complete force of nature he was that before but in a much more like kind of tactile like you could reach out and touch him and this he just feels like you're watching, you know, like a god or something behave in front of you.

54:15And I just remember just like feeling like I'd never seen a performance like this before. I don't really know if I've ever seen one since. The immediacy with which like the ticks of this performance and the lines that the character delivers and the way he behaves and the way he moves and the way he stands next to his kid and the way he digs for oil have all been like ingrained in my memory is pretty distinctive among like I think most acting performances that I've ever seen so it's it's a it's great to get it get him number one I mean this is why I was coming number two but yeah my first pick yeah it's funny that he's back in the media right now we have not heard a word from Daniel Day-Lewis in seven years since Phantom Thread he has not appeared in a movie who will be in a movie that opens in three weeks.

55:09He's been walking around the West Village though. But you haven't been speaking to him? No. Has anyone been speaking to him? Is he on like a like side talk about the Knicks? If you found yourself in line with Daniel Day-Lewis at Joe's Pizza would you really No, never. Hand me the red pepper? I don't like to Oh, I'd be like excuse me, I need this if I needed something. But like I wouldn't be like hey man, I'm such a fan can we have a selfie? I would very quietly saunter up beside him and put my arm around his shoulder, but very gently, softly. And I would start whisper singing Danny Boy into his ear.

55:43Do you think he would receive that well? Yeah, I think that would go very well. I think that would go great. Yeah, I think he'd be like, this is what I do it for. Please feel free to come on The Big Picture, Daniel. He's in a new movie, Anemone, directed by his son, which comes out in three weeks. So he's back and he said that he didn't mean to retire twice. Yes. Yeah. Which is something I hope to be able to say at some point in my life. You know, he talked in Rolling Stone, when I think about, he did an interview with Rolling Stone where he talks about like, oh, I wish I hadn't made a big deal about retiring.

56:11I just could have gone and done other stuff. But he mentions that like, it was like the stuff around Phantom Thread that ushered on that quote unquote retirement. And I just, what do you think it is about like that experience? Is it because people were taking pictures of him getting ready to go on set in London and there was all that like sort of... I'm not sure. I mean, I think it gets the impression that he really pours everything into the world. It's hard for him to get it going. He kind of goes into it and then it's hard to get out of it and that, I don't know, seems to be interested in his family life.

56:45Yeah, and he's inevitably nominated for an Oscar so then it's the awards thing of it all which they need to promote the movie. So, I mean, it seems like a lot of work and he's, you know, he likes making shoes. Maybe he's just, he knows he's never going to top the Charlie Rose interview with Paul Tom Sanderson. He gives you the script and you say what? Okay. Amazing. Arguably the performance of the 21st century, in my opinion. As great as Frank T.J. Mackey's performance is. Well, that was 1999, so. Good point. Yeah, there you go. The two greatest male performances of the last two centuries have been selected in the Paul Thomas Anderson tribe.

57:25We're doing great. We're doing so great. Maybe the third greatest performance would be Philip Seymour Hoffman as Lancaster Dodd in The Master. I will take him, I guess, in supporting actor. I will say I put him in lead. Now, would you take him a master? He was nominated in supporting at the Academy Awards. Now, I originally placed him in lead. And then after I heard you talk about Frank T.J. Mackey, I moved into supporting. So what's the move? Well, I think that we can make our own decisions. They have not let us into the Academy yet. And we also don't always agree with their category. Do you think you'll get into the Academy before you die?

58:01No, I don't. You think they will never add a podcaster's branch. I really don't. But once she starts making Odyssey, our updates. Right. As a documentarian. Yeah. Okay. You can get into the nonfiction branch. Yes. As Chris's personal cinematographer. Famously the most open-hearted and pop branch of the Academy. Definitely. You'll throw it right in. Do you think there will ever be a jam taster's branch for all the jam session fans out there? It was just business reporting. Okay. And I followed through. Okay. maybe another branch you could get into I think that there will be a podcaster's branch one day okay well that's depressing honestly I think that Philip Seymour Hoffman and the master is like a much more central you know that's about two guys that's a it's a two obviously there are other people but it's a two-hander there's a there's a mermaid sandcastle she figures prominently in the film that's true sure but you know a couple coconuts definitely yeah but I Magnolia's Ensemble and that has two leads which is Joaquin and Philip Seymour Hoffman yeah okay well that's fine I actually I have some questions later on about what's eligible as the definition of a character but we'll get there intriguing interesting Philip Seymour Hoffman the late great I think you could take it in either one I would say it's a two I would probably if I was going back and watching I don't know how much we see Philip Seymour Hoffman without Joaquin Phoenix's character being present a few times I mean there's scenes with Amy Adams alone where they're talking about him.

59:34They have dinner at one point without him and talk about it. Okay. You know, he famously is furiously masturbated. Yeah. She cranks it. It's good. Freddie Quo is not in the room during that scene. We don't think. We don't think. You can see most of the room because there's a mirror. It's a small bathroom, you know? I guess I don't know if he's hiding behind the shower curtain. There's definitely a reading of the movie that those two characters are the same person. Yeah. They're the two strains of masculinity, right? Like the searching mind and the beast, right? Jesus Christ. Would you like... This is what I bring to the table.

1:00:10No, I know. This is my thing. I can't believe Bill doesn't want to talk about Amy Adams, of all people, cranking Philip Seymour Hoffman. And then you could talk about the man and the beast. We don't know that he doesn't. He might want to. If you give him Drake May, maybe he'll give it to us. Can we bundle? Can we get a package of Sicario and the Master together? Uh, so definitely Lancaster Dodd, which is... Okay, but did you decide category? I would like to have him in lead if that's achievable. I think that that is... I accept that. Thank you for your comfort. We've taken three men at the top of this draft.

1:00:44What do you make of that? What do you think it says about the work? Right, yeah. Well, I'll start by taking a woman now. Oh, no. And the leading actress. I'll be taking Vicky Krapes as Alma Elson in Phantom Threat. which I don't know if it's the best female acting performance in one of his films but I think it is his most wonderful female creation up until the new movie yeah and she is remarkable in this movie to me a total discovery I'd never seen her before the fact that she a younger and less experienced actress is toe to toe with Daniel Day-Lewis in Phantom Threat as Reynolds Woodcock is amazing and the fact that she generates the power that she does in that movie.

1:01:27The movie really hinges on her. It does not hinge on him. And not just her performance, but the way that that character is written and the way that the story is structured. It's beautiful. And she's really great. And she's like another person who he kind of like vaulted to a very cool career in Hollywood. So she will be my leading actress. That's a good one. So I picked second here. I got my second pick rather. How do you feel about that category? The leading actress category? Well, I think this will be where probably there's some maybe disagreement because I'll pick my leading actress right here.

1:01:59And I was going to take Julianne Moore as Linda Partridge. I have her in supporting. I have her written down as leading actress. And I have her... Don't call me supporting. How about that? Don't call me leading. I'm coming here! In the same way that Tom Cruise, I think, is sort of like one big pull. I think that her character, to me, at least in my last viewing of Magnolia, which probably isn't honestly much after the rewatchables I just remember her as being I know that there are other characters but like I just remember her being like this huge sort of fulcrum of the movie so I had her in leading actress I don't know if the jury will accept that I'm fine with it I have her literally I had her in supporting but I don't that's fine I have her listed as leading actress I think she has the most prominent female role in that movie give or take Melora Walters and we can talk about that too I think she has the most the sequence with the lawyer the doctor and the pharmacist right those are three of the ten most memorable sequences in the movie plus she gets part of she does part of the sing-along yep yeah so I accept that's what I'll do then Okay.

1:03:17So lead actress. Yeah. Okay. It's running thin now. Julianne Moore, is that even her best performance in a PTA movie? It's up for debate. Yeah. Would you... Well, it's kind of... That's such a bummer to take the other one. But you can. It's your turn, though. It's your turn. Yeah. No, no, no, no. I just meant like, you know, emotionally. Okay. Are you my mom? Can you be my mom? Yes. It's really... it's dark I rewatched all the Child Custody stuff too and I was like I mean it's a great performance but this is a bummer less of a bummer but back to this is definitively supporting actress but you know the women they're thinner on the ground so I will take Cyril Woodcock aka Leslie Manville in Phantom Thread that's a great pick good one who says very little and controls everything and is this movie rules is so funny and balances out both the Alma performance, the Vicky Cripps performance and gives room for DDL to just...

1:04:27But like has gravity against him, which is hard. That famous moment where she's like, I'll go right through you, you know, don't come for me. There's like a couple of different ways to go, you know, like we've seen over the course of the two DDL movies that Paul Thomas Anderson made, but you could either get, try to get as loud as him or you can like, you can zero in. and it's interesting to watch her kind of she does the latter and she's like I'm just gonna be still and like command you in that scene in particular you know he doesn't cut away back to Reynolds he stays he stays on Cyril the whole time and her like and she doesn't look at him she's holding the teacup and she's sipping the tea and she's like very quietly like this and she's saying she's speaking but she's not even she's like we've done this before we've had this fight before and you know not to fuck with me because if you fuck with me this whole thing falls apart.

1:05:17Great pick. And then in Needle Drop I will take Let Me Roll It from Licorice Pizza. Great. Which set my heart on fire the first time I saw it and is still excellent. Best part of the movie. Yeah. There we go. Licorice Pizza a lot of haters out there. Are there? Yeah. Can't say I get it. Age gap deniers. Meaning that they think that it doesn't exist. Where did I make it? You already like tried to put Jack on the age gap to a licorice pizza spot. Jack thought there should be more age gap. It should be a wider guy. That is correct. Much older guy. Yeah. It was really more like, it should be like 70 and 18.

1:05:52Yeah, like Bob Buecher. Yeah.

1:05:57I still think Licorice Pizza is great. It's a totally different kind of a movie from a lot of these movies, but it's so great. What's interesting now, I rewatched it since seeing one battle after another. And now that we have one battle after another and it's big and it's major. I'm sorry, we're not going to spoil it, but it's just like this. It's an event. I felt like a lot more warmth and enjoyment for Licorice Pizza that it could just be what it is. Yeah. If that makes any sense. It reminds me a lot of Punch Drunk Love where when it came up, people were like, this? From the guy capable of that?

1:06:31But then when you remove it from that anticipation and you accept it on its own terms, it's phenomenal. It's like his tenet. Sure. Definitely. It's just like his tenant. Just as scrutable as his tenant as well. But it's like, tenant was like, oh wait, this was going to save us all. Yeah. And it didn't. But then when you go back, you're like, this is the best movie ever made. Okay. You have one more pick. No, I just did two. I did. You have no more picks. Chris has a pick. Yeah. I always do that. What happened? We have this beautiful board up here now too and I still can't do it correctly. I'm sorry.

1:07:07Well, the color coding is ingenious, but also my head hurts you have to concentrate yeah I just can't see I'm blind okay are you wearing your contacts I am we gotta talk about upgrading your contacts imagine if I wasn't wearing my contacts right now I wouldn't be able to make it out the door I know but that's nothing compared to if I weren't wearing my contacts yeah yours is worse than mine yeah so in supporting actor I'm gonna take Josh Brolin as Bigfoot Bjornsson yeah inherent advice big time CR pick when I was re-watching this to try to pick up what I could. Fast forwarding through, I was like, this is elite, Roland.

1:07:44I was like, should I do this? I don't know. He's very, very, very, very, very funny as a pretty racist cop in this movie. I think he's the best part of the movie. No Cielo Drive for Bigfoot is the funny, I think that's the funniest line in the whole movie where his whole intention is to just be a super famous cop and everything that he's doing is in an effort to get that. but he's such a dickhead that of course no one's willing to give him anything. He's so funny. Just a great haircut. I mean Brolin really is really really adept at fitting into these larger ensembles and has probably at this point in his career he's maybe a little bit bigger than this but I feel like he would just be like yeah I'll just be I'll be in the movie for six minutes.

1:08:27What's his comp as a movie star? Like I can't think of another person who is so comfortable doing that part which is like the third supporting character in that movie, but also be the star of No Country, but also be the third supporting character in Weapons. Like, yeah, he's such a... Was he Thanos? He was Thanos. Like, I can't quite put my finger on it. It's a good thought exercise. Did you guys read Zach's Glenn Powell interview, which was very exciting? Well, I just... It's a great piece about Glenn Powell, but Josh Brolin steals the show as a secondary. Josh Brolin goes up to him. Just incredible stuff.

1:09:03I can't remember what were they making? or they were making something at the same time in the same town or something. Yeah, I don't know. And Berlin goes up to Glenn Powell like the first day they meet. He goes, are you a bro? No, he's like the witness test for people is are you a bro or not? Yeah. Is it good to be a bro or bad? Are you a dickhead or are you a bro? Yeah. Are you going to make it all about like the fame and the bullshit or are you about the work and the experience? But then there are definitely some more quotes about weightlifting or like putting on or training or something. Yeah.

1:09:34Yeah, no, no, but Brolin comes back. Oh, yeah. Brolin has a lot. It's really, really good. So, shout out to both of them. I would like to once again recommend the Josh Brolin episode of WTF. It's the best. In which they talk about zen for the first 12 minutes. Like, off-brand Dubai zen. Yeah, and the insane heart palpitations that are created by leaving them in overnight. It's some of the best content you'll ever find. He's very special. Good pick. Good pick, CR. Thanks. Thanks. Okay. I've got lead actor and lead actress. I'm going to look around at supporting performances. I think I know where I'm going.

1:10:11I think I know where I'm going in both of them.

1:10:17In supporting male performance, I'll be selecting John C. Reilly as Reed Rothschild. Oh. Which is one of the funniest performances. Now, some would say maybe you should take Burt Reynolds. I would say no. I like Jack Horner. Yeah. I think he's great. I think what he what Furt Reynolds' fame represents is very powerful for that movie to me Reed Rothschild is the pick John C. Reilly I went to see this movie on Sunday night and Monday night John C. Reilly was there both nights I saw him Sunday night as well One Battle After Another you mean? Yes Oh wow and that's fucking cool that's like when you direct your 10th film I'll show up to the premiere and to your interview with Steven Spielberg Tomorrow War 6 which is Steven Spielberg just doing the last time on.

1:11:05Yes, exactly. But for the entire audience. It was very cute. Illustrious footsteps you're following in, Jack. John C. Reilly, Reed and Dirk meeting for the first time at Jack's party is what it was like when Sierra and I met for the first time. When we talked about weightlifting and we talked about, I said people say, I remind them of Han Solo and I made him a margarita. and you said it was the best marguerite you'd ever had and we were friends forever. It's the same relationship. To Will Ferrell and John C. Reilly meeting in Step Brothers unintentionally or intentionally. It's just the best. Dude, we just become best friends.

1:11:47Yeah, literally. I feel great about that pick. I love Reed. Okay. Supporting actress. You know what? I think I'm going to pivot. No. How many Boogie Nights characters is too many is a question. Don't you do it. Should there be variants? Are you going to do it? What am I going to do? Well, if you're doing supporting actress Boogie Nights.

1:12:16Well, I've got two thoughts. Okay. I don't want... Is it wrong to reveal the thoughts? They're both Boogie Nights thoughts. You're going to be able to pick, so go ahead. Well, I'll take Roller Girl. Fuck off. Yeah. I can't believe I got myself into this. Jam, you know? Delete. I could have just done this earlier. Nobody was going to take Bjornsson. Well, there are literally three other characters in Boogie Nights that I want to be able to draft. I obviously won't be able to because I don't even have that many picks left. But the one scene star... You could be in a committed relationship with...

1:12:49Should you be saving this for wildcard? It was never going to get that far. Oh, that's right. That's true. It was never going to get that far. But you could take it right now in wildcard. There are many other complicated women that Paul Thomas Anderson has put on screen that I will happily consummate my love with. You can take it now in Wildcard. No, but this weakens the supporting actress pool. It weakens pretty prominently. This is Heather Graham's best performance. And you may want to run for president someday, so you don't want to pick Heather Graham's roller girl as the woman you'd wish you could be in a committed relationship with.

1:13:19No, I need to pick an adult woman, like Laura Dern as Helen Sullivan in The Master. That'll be who I'm in a relationship with. It's like I drafted a 48-year-old woman who's responsible. I govern from the center. well there was I've told the story before there was a details magazine cover featuring Heather Graham in all in gold wearing roller skates nude on the cover which I it was a trifold cover I think it might have been a bifold ripped that cover right off put it on my wall when I was a teenage boy yeah Heather Graham changed all of us because you love photography I love acting you know I love I love performance I love the art of movie making and uh yeah roller girl i think kind of set the template for a certain kind of movie love and her performance is really good because she does have this journey in the movie where she starts out as this like fairly innocent seeming young porn star and eventually becomes yet another victim of the awful nature of that world in that time and kind of like strikes back and needs to defend herself but then also gets caught in the throes of addiction and um it's just a really good use of Heather Graham's skills.

1:14:32And, you know, we were talking about Sidney Sweeney earlier. Yeah. And they have a very similar, I think they're going to have very similar trajectories. Heather Graham? You think Sidney Sweeney is going to have Heather Graham's career? I think that they're confronted by the same problems in terms of how they're cast. You know, like you have to fight to not get typecast if you want to be taken seriously as an actor if you are someone like Heather Graham or Sidney Sweeney. Right. And, you know, like Heather Graham got her start in Drugstore Cowboy. That's true. you know like she started out as a very serious actor that's true but she's also incredibly beautiful and so inevitably at first it's played for gags in Austin Powers 2 yeah and then all of a sudden you're in the hangover breastfeeding a child on screen and then that's who everybody thinks you are in movies you know it's tough it's hard out here yeah you get typecast yeah happy to get Heather Graham excuse me thank you okay Chris I got Roller Girl and Reed Rothschild alright so I got lead actor I got lead actress in a controversial move I have supporting actor it's okay Freddie Quill is on the board for you for wild card what's that?

1:15:42Freddie Quill right from the master

1:15:47but I would have to be in a committed relationship with him that's my point right well he might not be able to commit to you but you could commit to him I think that I will have a little bit of fun here and take from my one scene wonder Philip Seymour Hoffman as the mattress man in Punch Drunk Love I think that's a number one overall pick I think I've got a couple ideas but it's pretty good I don't really even know what to say about this shut the fuck up it's just really one of those this movie leaves planet earth when that happens and anything could happen for the rest of this film and I would believe it.

1:16:25He's in two scenes, I think, technically in this film, but the phone is really the main one. Yes. Great phone acting. Really, really good phone acting. I wonder, they must have done that conversation for real. I wonder. That's a good question. Yeah, it's amazing. There are some bonus materials on the Blu-ray that feature the Mattress Man commercial that I think people should check out. I think it's on YouTube as well. There is some cutting room floor stuff with Hoffman, but But yeah, shut, shut, shut, shut, shut is the best. Okay. Dobbins, you got two picks. Okay, I have two. In lead actor, I'm going to take Reynolds Woodcock, which, you know, you guys.

1:17:06I mean, maybe you want to be in a committed relationship with him. I mean, close would be nice. Honestly, like. It seems dangerous. I could go back and forth on it. A lot of poison involved there. Yeah, but you wouldn't have to be taking it in that. Just dealing with it. It's like I accidentally licked my fingers one day. This is the funniest and most memorable and like instantly quotable of all the characters and performances. So, so funny and useful in everyday life. You know, I really do feel like if either I am just, you know, displaying Reynolds Woodcock-esque energy or my partner is or you are or, you know, my podcast partner, I guess.

1:17:50When would I be exhibiting Reynolds Woodcock energy? I rewatched the asparagus scene this morning, which is... Do you have a gun? Are you a special agent sent here to ruin my evening? I mean, it's really, really so good. But also the breakfast scene, the first one with the pre-Alma. And the I cannot begin my day with a confrontation, please. But I love the order, the ordering breakfast and then meeting. And her noticing him and him noticing her back. and that scene is magic. And the scene when he's fitting her, that is, you know, essentially the sex scene. But so is the eating scene. Then the first breakfast when she's spreading the toast and the sound mix is just so it's like so, so loud.

1:18:36I mean, this is my favorite PTA movie. I really love it. So I'm very happy to have that. And then I also have lead actress, but... Wait, I don't understand. You took Tom Cruise's Frank T.J. Mackey in lead actor, so you're taking... No, I'm taking... I took him in supporting. Oh, you took him in supporting. Yeah. Got it. Okay, got it. Because to me, Magnolia is all supporting performances. And maybe I think we can all draft according to, you know. Yes. Personal preferences. So, I do need a lead actress. But. Gonna pass on that. Because you don't care for women. Well, you guys already have your lead actresses.

1:19:13Yes, that's true. So, I think that I'm probably okay. But I need a supporting, so this is gonna get tight. He needs a supporting, and I need a woman to spend the rest of my life with. this is the other thing to ask is Chris. It's fine. I still have a couple options because I see the work of women everywhere, you know, and I can honor them. So it's fine. I have a robust list. I just want to say not on my board for spending... Much like me with UNESCO sites. He's honoring them. Not on my board for spending the rest of my life with Disiquent of Paltrow's Clementine in Heartache. No, same. Not a contender.

1:19:44So let me, just for interest, let me bring this to the board. Okay. In one scene, and this is a, This is, I guess, like a parliamentary question, but also perhaps an existential question. You always do this, and then you make us make a tough choice, and then it kind of sours the mood. No, this is not. You might have to explore something about yourself that you don't want to. Oh. But yeah, this is about... Intoxicating. Perfect for this draft. So this is for one scene. Yes. Does Dirk Diggler's penis count as its own character? Discuss. well you know I mean it's a great great thought it's an amazing thought do you know what I'm saying yes and you two have experience with you know so you can decide Chris also has a giant comment well yeah there is the prosthetic part of it but also just like as a is that a separate is that a separate entity it is doing its own work in the film in the context of the story wait sorry this is for supporting it what is this for one scene one scene I love it.

1:20:50I love what you're doing. Something after I actually would be pretty into. See, this is what I'm saying. Either one, but it's a separate... I fully approve, and I think it's a great idea. It's great to see you iterating now that we're on draft 410. Thanks so much. I'm so glad it's not like, oh, well, they were actually in four scenes, but that's what I thought you were going to hit us with. And instead you gave us a scene with one key figure in one scene. The movie is built around it thematically and structurally. Yes. Pun probably intended. And I just, I think, but it's not Dirk Diggler. It is specifically his penis.

1:21:25So we're counting that as a separate character. That dick is like Harry Lime in The Third Man, where for an hour, all we hear about is like, this guy, this guy, this guy, and we're waiting for him to show up. And we're waiting for Dirk, because you know, the Colonel gets to see what Dirk is working with. Yes. Jack gets to see what Dirk is working with. Roller Girl, there we go. Roller Girl gets to see. But we do not until the very end. Until the very end. Okay, great. I'm so pleased. Nice job. Thanks. Thanks very much. Great pick. So I have to do supporting actress here. There's now kind of versus some earlier logic, but I'll do Amy Adams from The Master here.

1:22:03Okay. You can argue that she is the female lead, but I wouldn't say the lead actress. I had her in supporting. I had her in lead. It's like a kind of activism that's just not really helping us in the end. A kind of activism. Yeah, you're just like trying to put all these women in lead. And it's fine. These movies are about men. These are mostly supporting parts. Wow. One key focuses on the women. So would you say Alana Hamm is not the lead actress? No, I do think that she is. Oh, okay. Because it's about the two of them. So my point of view on the female characters of Paul Thomas Anderson to you is utter woke nonsense is what you're saying.

1:22:40I'm just like, you think you're helping, but you're not. That's right. You know? Trust me. I'm helping every day. That's keeping us down. Donating to Klobuchar. You know, it's like, just keep the money, man. Minnesota's not your problem. I can assure you I was never ensnared in that trap.

1:22:59Okay, so you selected Amy Adams as Peggy Dodd. Yes, the crank master. Yeah. One cranker recognized. Yeah, we've moved on to the dick portion of the podcast. I can't believe it took round five. Two figures well known to pull. It's a great performance. Yeah. Who was it supposed to be? It wasn't supposed to be Amy Adams. It was supposed to be... Because it was supposed to be Jeremy Renner as Freddie Quill. And Marion Cotillard. No. No, the master. That's what we would like, you know? It's always like, I think I was supposed to be Marion Cotillard. Yeah, that would have been a little bit confusing, I think.

1:23:32I got you. Hold on.

1:23:36It was Reese Witherspoon. That's what it was. Oh. And that's... Yeah. That would have been better. You think so? I do. So here's the thing. And she shows up in Inherent Vice in part because they want to do something together. I love Reese. I know you do. And I love her films. I don't think she fits in Inherent Vice. I love the part when it's revealed that she is also a stoner and they're like hanging out. And that's the real her. I think the thing is, she is Peggy Dodd to me in real life. Like, this is what I think she's like. Okay. Where she's like a power driving. See, I think she's Lancaster Dodd.

1:24:13Yeah. I think she's like, fair. We are pushing into the AI future. And I will be... I'm getting on the lifeboat. Are they... Is her organization really into AI? She's pretty fired up about AI. Oh, Greece. I mean, that company's not making money. So they got to pay for something. The Ringer does a really cool college football podcast called Ringer Tailgate. And after the first North Carolina game, Van and Joel were talking about what's wrong with Bill Belichick. And Van was like, he doesn't have any pep because his pep is being drained on a nightly basis. That's what I immediately thought. Peggy Dodd.

1:24:52You saw Peggy Dodd's face. Draining Lancaster's pep. That's a good meme for you to make. Yeah. It's the shot of Amy Adams looking in the mirror and superimposed as Bill Belichick's face over. That wouldn't be weird. Yeah. What if that was my first tweet in six years? Just jump in. Hey, guys. I don't know what you guys are talking about today. I gotta say, you've missed a lot on Twitter in that time. A lot's been going on. Yeah. I'm good. A lot of news. Okay. You guys have been following the news. Okay, Sierra, that was a good pick. Peggy will always be a lead to me. But then again, I don't hate women.

1:25:33Or don't you? So I have two picks. So you have Needle Drop and Relationship. No, I have Needle Drop, One Scene, Star and Relationship. I love that we just changed wildcard to relationship. That was a very good idea. Because wildcard, you could just be like, I love this awesome performance. Right. I mean, I think I had some fun ones that I will no longer pick to be in relationships, including all of the sisters from Punch Drunk Love. Right. And the phone sex operator from Punch Drunk Love. You know, but I probably won't. It's not a good financial decision. One scene star. there's a lot of ways to go here and you guys have both taken your one scene stars so I think it would be fun to talk through this category a little bit with you guys wait, has he?

1:26:21yeah, Chris took Philip Seymour Hoffman as Mattress Man and you took Dirk Diggler's penis now this is really hard I'll go from the bottom up Benny Safdie as Joel Walks the city councilman candidate. Yeah. Silver Lion winner, Benny Saffty. Silver Lion winner, that's right. Henry Gibson as Thurston Hallow in Magnolia as the guy who needles William H. Macy at the bar. Hong Chow as Jade in Inherent Vice. Jenna Malone as Hope Harlingen in Inherent Vice. Michelle Sinclair, a.k.a. the porn star Bella Donna as Clancy Sherlock. A.k.a. In Inherent Vice. real ones know. Martin Short as Dr. Rudy Blatnoi DDS in Inherent Vice is so fucking funny for three minutes.

1:27:17Harriet Sansom Harris as Mary Grady the agent in Licorice Pizza. When she's like you are a fighter. That scene is fucking crack to me. Robert Ridgely as the colonel in Boogie Nights. Powerful stuff. Philip Baker Hall as Floyd Gondoli in Boogie Nights. Really, really, really good. I'm a simple man. Yeah. Butter, yeah. Butter and lollipops. Feel free to say it. Butter and lollipops. Yeah, we know. Bradley Cooper as John Peters in Licorice Beats. Streisand. Yeah. And I think I have to do this. Now, I'm getting a little bit Boogie Nights heavy here, but I have to take Alfred Molina as Rahad Jackson.

1:27:59Yeah, that's the guy you gotta acknowledge. This is the best single scene thing arguably in his entire career. These other parts are really fun and funny. Right. And Floyd Gondoli means a lot to me. But Melina as the coked out maniac has to be where I go with that. So that's I'll take that there. Okay. Needle drop. Hmm. I'll tell you one that hit me pretty hard. Yeah. This is maybe not the most conventional one that you could go with. Okay. My conventional pick would probably be from Boogie Nights. Yeah. And the song that I listen to the most that he's ever put is from Boogie Nights. But I'll take Journey Through the Past from Inherent Vice.

1:28:46You stole mine. By Neil Young. Them walking by the... They're using the Ouija board. Yeah. And then they think that they have gotten a message about where to go to get something. Isn't that when they make out in the rain? They run through the rain together and make out, which is beautiful. It's magical. Yeah. And age appropriate. Yes. And... it is age appropriate that's true and what film was that in Sean? Inherent Vice a lot of Inherent Vice it's coming back yeah it's coming back in a big way Inherent Vice is I mean it's a pinch in season you know for PTA you could make the case that what is so great about one battle after another is what held Inherent Vice back a little bit which is that using the material as a jumping off point as opposed to the source text Inherent Vice is like literally line for line stuff out of the book is in the movie.

1:29:36That's not the case for one battle after another. But yeah, I love that one. There's another one I would love to talk through, but I know Crystal has to pick in this category, so I won't stomp all over everything. Okay, CR. For, well, for Needle Drop, I'll just get this out of the way because I'll leave the relationship talk to the end. I'll do,

1:30:01I'll do God Only Knows from Boogie Nights. Yeah, good one. just because of the way that it's employed is just like, it's so bittersweet because you think a bunch of those characters do have nice-ish endings, but I always remember Roller Girl staring out the window in class and being like, ugh. And it's the way that that drops with Cheadle coming out to do the ad or whatever. It's just so great. How did he even get that song? I don't even understand whether it's hard to get songs anymore. I was watching like, there's like Amazon shows that it's just like, here's with or without you. And I was like, isn't this expensive?

1:30:38I know, everything that we were taught in the 90s about the challenges of securing songs is over. That's a great one. You have to write Robert Plant a letter to ask. It's like, no, I don't think so. The one that I would have chosen from Boogie Nights is Do Your Thing, which is the song that is used to Charles Wright and the Watts 103rd Street Band that is played during the sequence when Little Bill discovers that his wife is cheating on him again in the bedroom and he goes out to his car and gets a gun at the New Year's Eve party on December 31st, 1979. And that scene, I would just encourage people to rewatch it if you want to see the masterclass in editing and pacing in a story where the way that the music fits to what is happening in the sequence is unbelievable.

1:31:18And that song is so cool because it starts out like a regular funk song and then it turns into a really weird electric guitar solo jazz freak out and it ends, the final note of the song is the final note of the scene is the gunshot. And it's not the most beloved song of all time, but it is such a perfect use of music and movies. He does this over and over again. Would you say that Nina Hartley would be the person you would also want to be in a committed relationship with? We're not there yet, Chris. I have to wait because Amanda has two picks before I can talk about all the porn stars who appeared in all these films whom I love.

1:31:51So I have, in lead actress, I'm going to take Emily Watson as Lena Leonard in Punch Drug Love, which is a favorite of mine PTA wise. And also like she has to be believable as someone who would actually be interested in the Sandler character, you know, despite everything that's going on. But when they're sitting across from each other and he's explaining the puddings like frequent flyer miles scheme. And she is, she's not like, what a weirdo. She is like warm and interested and intrigued. And like, it's just, it's, it's very lovely. And I think it's very hard to be that present when you're just kind of like the girl and the object of this person.

1:32:37And she's not quite the girl. So she's, she has more to do. So that's a good performance. And then who do I want to be in a relationship with? Okay. You've got an amazing. I know I have an amazing. No, it's incredible. It's, I do. Well, you, I could also, you know, I'm deleting Peggy Dodd here. from this list because that's been drafted. Well, you're tolling with spending the rest of your life with a woman. Oh, listen. You got to keep all your options open. It's a spectrum. It is. It absolutely is. I do. I think that all the sisters and punch - Little Bill dies, just for the record. I don't think he's - Trung love long time would be like a little alarming for me, but they're really good.

1:33:15Yeah. Marilyn Rasko, you know, she's a goat. No, she's great. She means well. Okay. So there's the practical choice here, which is just like well I guess just a point of order question is Dirk Diggler off the board right now for you or for Amanda no but just in general well then this is what I was asking because I drafted his his penis right so if I were to draft him would he be cockless like is that and you retain rights to his member I think so and then he is a eunuch with me I guess so yeah which is in some ways you know some of the tension you never know yeah yeah Yeah. I'm ready to shoot, Jack!

1:33:55You want to spend the rest of your life with him in a committed relationship? I really do not. You guys probably have similar tastes in action movies, though. Me and Dirk? Yeah. He's kind of a Skydance guy. So, like, the practical answer here, just, you know, on paper, this is a person who you can probably... I don't know who's good-hearted, unless I'm forgetting a part of the movie where he does something fucked up, but I don't think so. So anyway, Phil Parma, AKA Philip Seymour Hoffman in Magnolia. Yeah, he just buys playboys. That's nice, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Another guy who wants to crank it, for sure.

1:34:30But you know, but you want that in a committed relationship, right? Absolutely, yeah. And then just, but this, you know, this is the scene in the movie. You want someone, now here's the thing. Would that actually, would that niceness become a little boring? Well, it's also like, when you're like, honey, how was your day? Right. Not a lot of laughs. Yeah. Which then leads us to Bradley Cooper as John Peters. My God. I didn't say that's who I'm picking. I said I'm going through the options here. You know, like there is a lot going on, but like good enough for Barbra Streisand. What about Eli Sunday?

1:35:05Why not Paul and Eli Sunday together? Listen, it's a nice house. John Peters' house? Well, I might be Barbra Streisand. I don't, you know, so that's tricky. But it's, you would never get bored. but then I think that honestly on my list here I'm not going to get into the age debate so it's a small character are you picking Cooper Hoffman? no I said I'm not going to get into the age debate he's of age now now yeah but in the movie oh in the film you know like we can't revisit it wait what was the fucking movie that I saw that had a direct lift oh Freaky or Friday had a direct lift of licorice pizza Oh, really?

1:35:49Oh, yeah. It's a purposeful homage. Did you see Freak or Friday? Oh, no, I didn't. But isn't it, she's like old dating a young guy? No. Like her soul is old? No, that is in the movie. But there is a visual. I think they shot at the same school. And there's a scene where they're walking. You know, there's like that walkway with the overhang in Licorice Pizza. Yes. That is recreated perfectly in Freakier Friday. And I was like, are the filmmakers nodding to the 2022 Masterpiece Licorice Pizza? Why not? because you know young women have wide tastes and probably also enjoy Freaker Friday and Licorice Pizza there you go great okay what an incredible pod for women yeah that's what we're doing here against all odds they've got Dirk Diggler's cock you know they've got all these great performances you guys remember wait so you're not picking Phil Pardo no no no I'm doing Lance Branigan who is Skylar Skylar Gisando's character yeah yes I wasn't sure where to put him it's like is he a one scene star is he a supporting actor you know I mean he's definitely got charisma I really relate to the dinner scene we're just absolutely putting your foot in your mouth around the dad and all the other people you know we've all been there him throwing it at Ilana Haim on the plane is elite that scene is amazing so that seems like that would be funny and that's Jimmy Olsen now too he's thriving right what's he do with the newspaper he's a photographer he puts things right into the CMS but he also he also has relationships that help draw out necessary investigative information.

1:37:18Right, we saw that. He was a critical part of that story. Did you see the film Superman? Yeah. We talked about this, didn't we? No, I think on the watch you talked about it. Oh, yeah, I thought it was good. Yeah, it's good. Did you guys see what the new Superman is about? Sean told me two minutes ago before we started the podcast. It was actually Chris who told you. So that tells you a lot about how you see men for the purposes of the podcast. Well, they're all teaming up, you know, to fight another evil. Lex and Supes. one and the other, you know? I don't know. Do you think that that film will then be accused of valorizing billionaires?

1:37:53It's possible, but who knows? You know, it depends on who actually winds up releasing it. Very good point. Okay, Chris Ryan. Amanda, you're done. I'm done. You are wedded to Lance Branigan. Well, you don't have to be married. You don't have to put a ring on it. You just date the person. Yep. You know, along the same lines as Amanda, she was saying how would this, you know, you could say like, Like, wouldn't it be cool to date Shasta? But I think it would probably get pretty one note after a while. Completely disagree, but continue. We know. I like to keep things lively. And that's why I'm going to be in a committed relationship with Claudia Gator.

1:38:30How would your ears handle the volume at which she likes to hear music? I don't know. If I was doing a blow, I'd probably be like, sounds great. You and Claudia Gator would get into some trouble. I think you guys would get into some trouble. do you think that by the end of the movie she's okay yeah I think she's on her way to being a little bit better off you think she and Jim Currey make it but I think she gets bored of him you do oh yeah and that's kind of like who are you afraid about being bored of Phil Parma so maybe like yeah Magnolia everyone's in their feelings too much to to be with them long term you know if you could would you be with TJ Mackey my true answer would have been Reese from Inherit but you took her I didn't take her Somebody took her, right?

1:39:15No, we just talked about her. No, Deputy District Attorney Penny Kimball. Then I'm with her. Okay. Yeah. I'm with her. So it's like an attorney in the streets and a freak in the sheets. She just seems like a gray hang. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. All right, so do you have one more? Yeah. Yeah, I'm obviously taking Shasta Faye Hepworth. I would like Katherine Waterston to destroy my life. The whole movie is about not being able to get over you can't get over what some the hex that someone put on you you know when someone comes along who has that incredible power that she has in that movie and the whole first scene and then the whatever second to last scene it's like you just can't you can't shake it and uh yeah for me definitely I mean what are my other options I'm not I'm definitely not choosing Claudia Gator that sounds and not Nina Hartley well I love Becky Barnett yeah Nicole Ari Parker from Boogie Nuts.

1:40:15Chocolate Love. Most recently on In Just Like That as a documentary filmmaker. Oh, yeah. Yes. So I was talking with Eileen a couple weeks ago about In Just Like That, which apparently the last season was like a war crime. I still haven't finished it. Did you finish it? No, I did not. Yeah, did Eileen? She did finish it. Wow. I mean, she loves it and loves to hate it and is obsessed with... Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's like that show is a religion to her, the origin of Sex and the City. but she kept talking about you know like the new characters that they added and then how they kind of like pulled back on some of them in these future seasons because of the backlash and what was missing and what wasn't there and she was explaining the Nicole Ari Parker character to me and I was like oh who plays that character and she looked it up and she's like oh it's Nicole Ari Parker and I was like oh Becky Barnett and she was like who's Becky Barnett and I was like Becky Barnett from Boogie Nights and she was like I don't know what you're talking about and I was like the black porn star who dates you know Buck Swope like Becky Barnett and she was like I that's not that doesn't register with me and I was realized has she not seen Boogie Nights no she's definitely seen Boogie Nights but just that in my mind I'm like Becky Barnett one of the signature characters of the 1980s this is one of the key women we've seen on film and Clarice Starling Becky Barnett yeah and she just didn't she didn't hold a lot of a lot of interest for Eileen she said she was fine on the show though Nicole Hardy Parker yeah she was fine yeah bad show don't know how it ends she was the Carrie was writing historical fiction yep historical fiction Yeah, about the ghost or the woman who used to live in her Gramercy Park home.

1:41:44Was she writing it in the fashion of her column from the original show? I couldn't help but wonder when the suffragette movement would come along. Unfortunately, no. She kept being like, the woman did this. The character doesn't have a name. She should have done it like an epistolary diary novel in her Carrie voice, but set in the 1800s. That's a good idea. Maybe that happens in episode eight. Maybe Carrie could somehow time travel back to the Gilded Age and show up there. Now we're talking. That's some HBO IP crossover. So we have a great number of also rants. Yeah. Honorable mentions. Yeah. So we mentioned quite a few of them.

1:42:25Not taken here. Dirk Diggler, not taken. Yeah. Freddie Quell. Yeah. Not taken. No Joaquin selected here. I know. No Larry Dox Portello. Felt sad about that, but... what do you think about one battle after another if it's Joaquin instead of Leo? I'm not saying that it was going to be I'm just curious because he was he was on a Joaquin kick yeah I mean I think it still works but there is something very special about and softer about what Leo's doing that I is perfect I agree with you Gary Valentine still on the board Cooper Hoffman because he was too young for Amanda Sydney Brown, Philip Baker Hall's character from Heart 8.

1:43:09Yes. Philip Seymour Hoffman's asshole craps player. I don't wait for old people. I don't wait for old people. Sister Sledge. That was on my list. You know, I forgot to put him down on the one scene start. He would have been great. God, Philip Seymour Hoffman. I mean, yeah. Yeah. I mean, Sandler is Barry Egan? Sure. He's on my leading men list, for sure. This is the movie, right, that resets the trajectory of his career. Punch-Druck Love? Yeah. Like, this is the movie where we were like, oh, yes, he can do this. Right, yeah. And now, is becoming increasingly more known for doing parts like this than the comedy.

1:43:48I think it almost feels more like he's doing the slop to pay to do Jay Kelly or, you know, whatever. Happy Gilmore 2? I didn't see it. All the golfers are in it. I know. I saw some of, like... And I could ID them. And that's just... There you go. You're a wife guy. Yeah.

1:44:10Amber Waves was not selected. Yeah. Like I said. I mean, I looked at it. She's very, very good. Just too depressing for you. Pretty bummer town. Until the God Only Knows montage. Sort of. Alana Heim as Alana Cain. Pretty good. I had her on my list. Yeah. I had her on my list. I had a... Would you consider Kevin J. O 'Connor's performance in There Will Be Blood A1 soon wonder. I guess I think of it as supporting, but it's really only about three scenes. It's when he comes to the house, the swimming, and the fire. Wow, you see that? It's like right off the dome. We just know exactly what Kevin J.

1:44:47O 'Connor does. That's why that day I made that margarita for him. Best friends ever since. Little Bill. Scotty J. Buck Swope. You could have just done a Boogie Nights cast draft. Yeah, we could have. One performance that I really loved upon revisiting it this week was Owen Wilson as Coy Harlingen. There's the scene where they're whispering to each other and he's kind of explaining the entire plot and the world of the movie and the golden fang and all that. It is magical. And that's what I was saying. When Weedhead Amanda comes around, whenever that is, in your 50s and your 60s. I don't know. Just try it again.

1:45:28They've got to get Weed back down to like at least the 1990s. I just like, I don't, that's not, I don't relax like that, you know? How do you relax? Well, but that's also, that's just not my vibe. I'm either having fun or I'm asleep. There's no third, there's no third way. Got it. Smoking like a true crackhead. Either having fun or I'm asleep. I was saying that's not my wavelength. It's important to know these things about yourselves. It's Knox just pressed pause on his phone 20 years from now in therapy. This is what my mom said in public. Okay. What else? Todd Parker? Todd Parker? Thomas Jane?

1:46:16Yeah. Who else? No one said Paul Dano at any point. We just haven't said his name. We talked about Paul and Eli Sunday. That's right. Okay. You know, Guzman from Boogie Nights. Yes. TT?

1:46:32needle drops I had vitamin C from inherent vice I had uh Jesse's girl Boogie Nights yep there's some sweet tunes in in the master uh get the behind me satan yeah it's an important one some jams that I like to throw on yep uh Boogie Shoes yeah by Casey and the Sunshine Band and Boogie Nights is a big one I think he needs me in Punch Drunk Love mm-hmm one of the most famous ones Wise Up by Amy Mann mm-hmm A sing-along in Amelia. Life on Mars in Licorice Pizza. What else? Do you think the categories worked for this? Well, it's not up to us to decide. So it's the listeners to tell us if we've done a good job or not.

1:47:19Jack, do you think this worked? 100%. Thank you for your support. Yeah. And your brevity, Jack. You really... I was going crazy across three Google Docs and Google Sheets. Okay. Yeah. I honestly, I might have to listen to this episode. I blacked out like half of it. I feel good about it. So you're excited for one battle after another? I am. It's a shame that this draft wasn't as contentious as usual, but I think we had some interesting. We had some fun. Yeah. Who do you think won? I think we all did because we get to live in a time where this man makes movies, you know? That's really beautiful.

1:47:55Belladonna on screen. You know Amanda is going to crush the Instagram results with Dirk Diggler's penis. Thank you. I was thinking outside the box, but it was honestly... It's like you put a dick in a box. As soon as I saw the category, it was instant, you know? So you had... Should we recap? Oh, yeah. Let's recap. Did you put it in the doc, Jack? It's up there. You did. But it's... It's in both. Yeah, but if you want to do it in this order... Yeah, let's do it in order. You go first. Oh, that's right. In lead actor, I have Daniel Day-Lewis as Reynolds Woodcock. In lead actress, I have Emily Watson as Lena Leonard.

1:48:32In supporting actor, I have Tom Cruise as Frank T.J. Mackey. Supporting actress, Leslie Manville as Cyril Woodcock. In one scene star, I have Dirk Diggler's penis. In Needle Drop, I have Let Me Roll It from Licorice Pizza. And in Wild Card, which is actually a committed relationship, I have Skylar Gazzando as Lance Branigan. Chris, you're up. I have in lead actor, Daniel Day-Lewis as Daniel Plainview. In lead actress, Julianne Moore as Linda Partridge from Magnolia. In supporting actor, Josh Brolin as Bigfoot Bjornsson from Inherent Vice. Supporting actress, I have Amy Adams, one crank after another, Peggy Dodd from The Master.

1:49:13One scene star, Philip Seymour Hoffman as Dean Trumbull, a.k.a. The Mattress Man from Punch Drunk Love, Needle Drop. I got God Only Knows by the Beach Boys from Boogie Nights. and I will go back and I will say I was right the first time committed relationship with Claudia Gator CR oh you're changing it good for you good for you that's truer to your essence for sure okay in lead actor I got Philip Seymour Hoffman as Lancaster Dodd in The Master in lead actress I got Vicky Crepes as Alma Elson in Phantom Thread in supporting actor I got John C. Reilly as Reed Rothschild in Boogie Nights in supporting actress I got Heather Graham as Brandy aka Roller Girl in Boogie Nights.

1:49:53In One Scene Star, I got Alfred Molina as Rahad Jackson in Boogie Nights. In Needle Drop, I got Neil Young's Journey Through the Past from Inherent Vice. And in Committed Relationship, I got Shasta Faye Hepworth as portrayed by Catherine Waterston in Inherent Vice. Good draft. Fantastic draft. Good stuff. It worked. He makes good movies. Yeah. Just nice to go back. Yeah. Just pop him on. It's really nice. Just hang out, let him roll. Is this dropping tomorrow? this is we're going to put this out in about seven years I think so feeling good about that decision thank you to I just want to say thank you to David Ellison yeah your lord and savior yeah your owner you check the tapes yeah love Taylor Sheridan yeah you love the Tomorrow War and all of his other works Jack Reacher never go back yeah thanks to Jack Sanders for his work on this episode next week we will dig into the Toronto International Film Festival without a moment and we will talk about weapons with chris ryan and amanda dobbins everyone at this table has seen we've all seen weapons okay see you then