An Absolutely Horrific Patriots Loss, the Rams-49ers Travel Bowl, and Hottest Takes With Craig Horlbeck, Danny Heifetz, and Danny Kelly

18:14Yeah.

18:15Bill Simmons:He didn't delay a game at a terrible point. The shift was his fault. I mean, the whole game was messy. I mean, especially the first half. It was very, they always talk about how week one is really just an extension of the preseason. And I forget it every year. And then you watch week one and you're like, this is barely football. These guys don't know what they're doing. There's like a million timeouts and offsides and false starts. It was messy for two and a half quarters.

18:36Danny Heifetz:That's the other thing worth saying. I don't want to pile on. Well, that's not true. I actually really do want to pile on. This game should have been worse. I know this was a bad loss, but Drew Locke cost them. four points when he had the illegal shift to Cooper Cup. That should have been a touchdown instead of a field goal. And then he also kind of cost them points later in the game when he had another penalty. The delay of game, that right there is eight points. That's more than a possession, basically. This game actually could have been worse.

19:05Bill Simmons:You were making me feel better that the patch are lost by more, but then apparently there was a Netflix poll, should Drake maybe be his name, and it was 88 % yes. I really hate Sal. Like, I don't know. Sal and I might have some real issues this season. I might have to do all the unders and the Dallas and just really, we might be having real issues. 2026 Patriots. Offensive line looked better. Campbell still had a couple things, but for the most part, it was at least better than it was in the Super Bowl last year. Can they just be a middle-of-the-road offensive line? Sure. A couple of the guys from the draft, that looked pretty good.

19:45Bill Simmons:They really missed Travion tonight. You know, Ramonji was just out there basically the whole game. I think there was a couple, especially like with the younger secondary, I think there was a couple plays for him. The booty trade looks worse than ever. I didn't understand it when it happened. I understand it less now. We'll see with AJ. The big thing that's changed this year is that every Mike Vrabel halftime interview is hilariously funny now with the announcer. when they're asking him what happened out there. And I don't know. It's just hard not to think about Sedona, Arizona. What happened out there?

20:21Bill Simmons:He's like, out where? Out in Sedona or on the field? My wife happened to be sitting next to me. She barely watched the game, but was there for the halftime interview. And she did it. And he did it. And my wife was just like, I don't know. I just don't trust him anymore. He just left the room. And I was like, that's it? You're leaving me at that? But I didn't know if I would think about the offseason with him during the game, but I thought about it 20 times. I don't know how you guys felt. It's definitely still there. Mike Vrabel must have been in the production booth cutting to Romeo Dobbs' face.

20:55He's like, cut back to Dobbs. Cut back to Dobbs. Get off me. Poor Dobbs is sitting on the bench. They cut to him four different times in over two minutes.

21:03Danny Heifetz:Dobbs played like Dajon Love. In retrospect, it was weird. Romeo Dobbs just bringing that giant helmet around with him everywhere. You know what I mean?

21:09Bill Simmons:that drop he had, it felt like maybe they had a chance to get, and they kept the drive going, but. No, the next play was a pick after that drop. Oh, that's right. You're right. It was the second to last draft. Every time Dobbs was involved with anything, it felt like it went terribly. And this was somebody they were really counting on and thought he was going to make a dramatic difference. Obviously, they traded next year's first for A.J. Brown. I'm not ready to talk about that on a live Netflix draft podcast when we're 0-1. But for that moment that AJ looked like he was good, it's like, we've drafted a receiver with those kind of tools 12 times and have gone 0 for 12.

21:47Bill Simmons:And it was just nice to be like, okay, we finally have it. And here's Matt Collins and here's Dobbs. And the hypothetical Patriots felt like they lasted for about 10 minutes. Yeah, the variable thing is just weird. I don't know what week it's going to stop being weird. Have you guys ever dealt with anything with your week-to-week football team or sports team or anything where there was some off-the-field thing you couldn't stop kind of thinking about? Steelers are a super normal team. Oh, that's right. Oh, that's right. Craig's a Steelers fan. There's been no issues with any Steelers player the last 10 years, I don't think.

22:19Everyone's been normal. Yeah. Last 20 years were fine.

22:22Bill Simmons:They went great. And then the Seahawks, I thought Price looked – I mean, it's not like he had 30 carries, but he certainly has the burst. Oh, yeah. DK, you must have been pumped. Oh, yeah. Like, he just clearly has juice as a runner, which is something they definitely need. I mean, they've got Holani and they have Emmanuel Wilson who are kind of like, you know, just pickup truck running backs. And I think that Price could be the guy that... It's kind of like the Travion Henderson thing. He just gives them some speed, some big play potential on the ground. They were really good. This was kind of been talked about in the preseason.

22:59They're really good on wide zone runs. This is something that I think price is just really good. So like they basically string it, string it out to the end and to the outside. And then he'll just cut up field. He did that several times. I thought he looked great. Um, so yeah, I mean, what'd you think if it's, I thought price was awesome.

23:14Danny Heifetz:I mean, Jadarian price was awesome at Notre Dame too. I mean, again, it's weird. The first two running backs taken in the first round were Notre Dame, but Jadarian price, if he went back to college would have been like a$3 million NIL player. He's legit. And he had all this explosiveness at Notre Dame. and he just didn't play a ton because he didn't get he didn't really catch like he i think he caught less than 15 catches in college because yeah he tore the killies and then jeremiah love was like reggie bush but then he didn't get goal line stuff because he fumbled kind of early in the season and he had a couple of an opportune fumbles but i mean he was an incredible kick returner he's just he's a human highlight reel and i thought that the zone running and everything it was frankly way more in sync the seahawks running game than i thought it would be and he did a way better ken walker impression in the super bowl than i ever thought he'd be able to in his debut.

23:59Danny Heifetz:I thought it was like really encouraging, especially once Drew Locke came in.

24:03Bill Simmons:So he was 10 for 52, two catches. Rookie running backs, where do we want to get from a carry standpoint, Craig? We're like at, if we're using like the Jameer Gibbs kind of, you want to be around 200 carries or less for the season? For any guy you want to actually be relevant, like you need him to be touching the ball like 15 times a game. And I think Jadarian Price already getting 12 in week one. Like definitely think he's going to get there. This is just, I feel like these week one games are just like survive in advance. Even if you lose, it's like, just get through the game. Nobody get hurt.

24:34And I feel like both these teams, it's like, I know Seattle won the game, amazing comeback, but they're down Darnold. The Pats are now down AJ Brown, Travion Henderson's hurt. It's just a war of attrition. It's a war of attrition. I'm like, I don't know who you feel better. I mean, you obviously don't feel good about New England, but Seattle doesn't have Sam Darnold going forward. Like, I don't know who you'd rather want to be going forward. DK, how do you feel about that? I mean, look, I'm still a little bit hopeful. It sounds like, you know, based on Mike McDonald's talk after the game, that they're feeling pretty good about it.

25:05Like, they maybe dodged a bullet on this one. He didn't fracture his hip. So I'm feeling a little bit encouraged that, like, maybe he'll only miss a few games. I don't know if that means that they're just going to roll with Locke or try to make a trade of some sort. I highly doubt they'll do that. I think they'll just roll with Locke. But right now, at the very least, I'm feeling a little bit encouraged like he's not going to be out the whole year. If he was out the whole year, obviously that's pretty devastating.

25:28Bill Simmons:Here's the thing. The Seahawks have the best coach in the league. They have one of the best three defenses. They have one of the two or three best receivers. It looks like their running game is going to be fine. They have a good offensive line. They have a good home field advantage. They have the pedigree and the chip on their shoulder from last year. And if they have to have Drew Locke for eight games, I think they'll be fine. AJ Brown, Andrew Callahan, good follow. Patriots Twitter is elite. I don't know if you guys are aware. We just have a lot of good beat reporters. Oh, yeah.

25:56Danny Heifetz:Callahan is my, like, dark alley guy at the NFL combine.

26:02Bill Simmons:How big is he? What is he like? He's like Vrabel.

26:05Danny Heifetz:Yeah.

26:06Bill Simmons:Could he beat Brian Curtis in a fight or no? Definitely. No offense to Brian Curtis. Are you kidding? Brian Curtis, he's killed guys. You seen Curtis lately? What do you mean? You didn't hear about the Brian Curtis bar fights in Texas? Oh, I heard about those, yeah.

26:19Danny Heifetz:That should be a narrative pod we do.

26:21Bill Simmons:Brian Curtis, he has the strength of, like, five people. Andrew Callahan said AJ Brown just walked out of the Patriots locker room wearing a boot on his right foot but Romeo Dobbs said his message to the receivers were he told us that everything was going to be alright what does that mean?

26:38Danny Heifetz:DK Metcalf just said there's a city underneath Antarctica so I don't know what they're teaching at Ole Miss so

26:43Bill Simmons:did he tell them everything was going to be alright because we're all human beings and next day you wake up and it's a brand new day or was his ankle going to be alright I don't know good question good question the boot on the right foot is not how I wanted I was going to talk about this with you guys later but I have the in the fantasy league I really care about with Sal and those guys where we vote somebody out I have the Drake May AJ Brown hookup oh no and that hookup has gone horribly the hookup is going like the first date in Obsession basically so far pretty soon that would be being made a cat sandwich or something the The biggest first half plays, just to go back to the Pats blowing that game, third and five, Ramondre, minute left, handoff, and then punt.

27:38Bill Simmons:And this is something Vrabel did a little bit last year, too, where he basically, like, he did this in the Denver game in the playoffs last year, and it actually worked. I'm good. I think we might have enough points. We'll get 10 this half. Maybe we end with 13. I don't think Seattle can get to 16. I just fundamentally don't agree with that, guys. What do you, Heifetz, when a team does that, don't you feel like it's, they're doomed?

28:01Danny Heifetz:You say the end of the half when they were up 7-0 and they kind of just like. 7-0, yeah. I'm okay with it because for a variety of reasons. Mike Vrabel is, I mean, look, he's an incredible coach. Like, he got that Patriots team to the Super Bowl and the truth is I thought the Patriots roster was fine and he got them to the Super Bowl because he's a great in-game coach. He's frankly the only person in the Bill Belichick tree that's learned all the Bill Belichick rules and if he's like, it's 7-0, Drew Locke's not going to score any more points, I'm fine with him just at that point on kind of ending the game and not wanting to move on.

28:31Danny Heifetz:I think he was afraid of Drake May doing something stupid at the end of the half. It was the Jared Stidham Broncos gameplay. Yeah, exactly. And I think Rabel was afraid Drake May would do something dumb. And he was right. Drake May just did it dumb at the end of the game when they needed him to do something. This is the runner-up MVP. Like, why would you play that way, though? Why play scared? That's how I feel. I don't think he was afraid May was going to do something dumb. I think he just wanted to bet on Drew Locke making mistakes and they wanted to play safe. He's a defensive coach. Let me put it, to me this test is the most clear way of telling whether something was right or wrong.

29:07When the Patriots were doing that, I was celebrating. I'm a Seahawks fan. I was like, hell yeah, go ahead and do that. I'm happy with that.

29:14Bill Simmons:If they would have been aggressive, continue to push and try to take advantage of the situation. the Seahawks felt like they were really reeling in the first half. I felt like they were on the ropes. And then I think the Patriots kind of gave them a break. And the crowd was dead, too. Totally. Here's the other thing. The whole first quarter, they're as conservative as all hell, the Patriots. I have A.J. Brown. This is the first game where I get to take him out of the garage, give him a little spin around, right? I'm not just going 20 miles an hour around my neighborhood. I'm taking A.J. Brown on the highway.

29:49Bill Simmons:I'm sure you're watching the game DK like what like being like oh shit they're gonna test our secondary they're gonna chuck one deep and they just never did and the only real AJ play was that one slanting but they never unleashed him and now with booty out I don't really feel like they have another deep ball person so you you watch what happened to them in the in the second half Craig and it was like um this was kind of the Super Bowl offense all over again they've caught now that I feel like they're just last year's Patriots again, where I'm like, can you trust Romeo Dobbs? Booty's gone. You have, it's just Matt Collins and pop Douglas again is kind of what you have to deal with.

30:24I was also annoyed. I feel like every time they ran it things, it went well, but it's always scrambling with him. He led the league in scrambles last year as a quarterback. And I feel like they just need to design rushes for him more like Josh Allen. Every time it does, it goes well. And they refuse to do it.

30:37Bill Simmons:They did in the fourth quarter. They ran the Denver play. The Denver play was a naked bootleg where nobody knew he was doing it. This time, I think it was designed, but I just think he beats every single edge guy. He can beat around the corner and get out of the way. So the Pat schedule, they're Steelers at home next week at Jaguars, at bills, Vegas and the jets. And they were looking like that could have been five and one and not. And now who knows? Now you have the Seahawks who win today. Tomorrow is Rams Niners. If you're ever going to get a Rams loss, that's tomorrow. When they flew, I had a friend who's in Australia and saw the Rams coming into their hotel.

31:16Bill Simmons:And I was like, how'd they look? And he said, they looked like a team that had just been on a 15-hour flight. I was like, great. Good sign for tomorrow. Niners plus four, plus three and a half, whatever. So you could get the Niners beating the Rams and you could have DK a one-game lead heading into the first Sunday of the NFL season. That's not bad. Yeah, I'm into that. So I assume your take is that the 49ers did it right in terms of like traveling there a week early. No, here's my take. I know you guys have talked about this too, but we can all do it together. I think the Niners did it. It's going to lead to a win tomorrow would be my bet.

31:56Bill Simmons:I think long-term it's going to be bad because everybody says the longer you stay over there, the harder it is to adjust when you come back. Catching up. Whereas the Rams are basically like not throwing away the game, but rolling the dice with this game, going in and out. But then when they come back, they'll be fine for week two. So it's almost like a short-term, long-term play.

32:14Danny Heifetz:The only quibble I'd have with that, Bill, is everyone, like the whole, well, I went for a week for Australia and I came back. No one's ever flown to Australia for a day and then flew back like 30 hours later except for the one scout the Rams sent to test this whole theory. And so I kind of keep wondering if the Rams are going to be just as troubled. Who was the one scout? Who was it? I know. Did he have to audition? Like, how did he win that job? That's interesting. Craig would have done that. I would have done that immediately. Did you see the plane that the Rams flew in? It was some special plane.

32:43It's like the biggest commercial plane ever. And it had enough lay down seats for every player on the team.

32:49Bill Simmons:Sounds great. Should we get one for the ringer? I think we should.

32:52Danny Heifetz:So they auditioned somebody, Heifetz? I believe what they did is they sent at least two people. And one got to stay there for seven days or eight days. and then one had to come home after 30 hours. And imagine drawing the short straw and not getting the week in Australia. You have to fly to Australia, get one day of jet lag and immediately come home. And they tested it and they were like, you know what, screw it, let's just try. Yeah, the guy who went for eight days just partied his ass off. He's like, I'm exhausted. What a job. Man, I'm tired.

33:22Bill Simmons:Legal brothels. The other funny thing about this is this huge experiment, but the smallest sample size possible. I know. Like a baseball team, like we've tried two bunts and here are the results for our entire season. There's a million variables too.

33:39Danny Heifetz:Meanwhile, like whether Stafford sleeps is more important than probably 30 other players. Right.

33:44Bill Simmons:Has anybody been on a plane for 15 hours? I have. You have. Where'd you go? I flew, when I went to Africa, I had to fly from Nairobi to Qatar, which was eight hours and then immediately get back on a plane in Qatar and do Qatar to LA, which was 16 hours. Did you have to play a football game the next day? I didn't. Yeah, I went on a run the next day, though. It was really difficult.

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35:51Bill Simmons:NMLS 910. four, five, seven. DK, what do you think of the game tomorrow? I mean, yeah, I think this, this jet lag thing is obviously a huge deal, but I don't know. I'm kind of just like with you where I feel like the 49ers are being overlooked. The Rams have had such an awesome off season on paper, you know, getting Garrett and Donald coming back out of retirement. Like just like my actual nightmare thing that could happen for the top rival for the Seahawks. But yeah, I mean, And I think the 49ers are so good. I was like, you have to remind people they won like 12 games last year. They were still really good.

36:27And now they're theoretically a little healthier, although that could be not lasting very long. I don't know. I just think Shanahan gives them an edge.

36:37Danny Heifetz:Yeah, it's three and a half. I do, I do. Just take the points. I wish it was the Ringer 107 eligible. This whole thing is insane. And the fact that there is a team you can get three and a half points, they're somewhat evenly matched. The Rams are a better team, but this is in freaking Australia. No one knows what's going to happen. Now I'm nervous because everybody, now that all of us are on the Niners, one of us should probably take the Rams. But I agreed as well. I was like, well, I think the Rams are more or less punting this game. Donald's not flying there. I just feel like there was even quotes from the president, Kevin Demoff, was like, we don't need to be there for a week.

37:09Like, we'll focus on - Yeah, he got a little feisty. He's like, we'll focus on expanding the league the other 51 weeks. We're just trying to get through. I feel like the Rams are like, we're old. We're just going to get there and get out. If we lose, it's fine. we're going to be okay.

37:21Bill Simmons:Yeah, because I thought today, I thought was actually a pretty easy, the under, the under was, I think, 44 and a half. The pats were three and a half. And a lot of people had pats in the under, parlay tees, whatever. And every version of that hit. Tomorrow, everybody's in the Niners. Yeah. What are the odds two days in a row? Everybody's on the right side of football bets. Because I really feel like almost, every version of today's game was a win, right? Because even if you had Seattle, you probably had them in a money line or a money line parlay, whatever. But this was Seattle winning, but not covering.

37:57Bill Simmons:It was like the perfect result for normal bettors. And then tomorrow, everyone on the Niners makes me nervous. It was a perfect result for bettors, but it kind of a catastrophe for fantasy football. I feel the Drake May, AJ Brown, pretty much everybody except Jackson Smith and Jibo was a mess. Well, let's talk about today that being one of the most traumatic fantasy days ever. Darnold, I don't think was starting for anybody, but he was definitely a backup for people. If you had two quarterback league. Or if you had a 15, yeah, two quarterback league or like a 15 team league. AJ Brown, who was the sexy receiver, right?

38:28Bill Simmons:He was one of the eight or nine biggest value guys, but is one of the most fun people to go in on because it's like new team, he could be Randy Moss. But then the other thing that happens, one of the craziest stories in, I think, fantasy football history, Brock Bowers, waiting until everybody had done their draft and then announcing he needed meniscus surgery. What the hell was that? I don't remember that ever happening. It was like an hour after Clint Kubiak told reporters at a press conference that everyone was looking good to play for the game. You could see Kubiak deciding to lie in the middle.

39:05It was a very interesting choice. It was kind of like an I've been immunized where they were like, hey, is Bowers, is everyone is Gentian Bowers going to play? And he was like, I'm planning on having everyone out there ready to go. What do you mean by everybody? Very tricky.

39:22Bill Simmons:I have spent a lot of injuries last year. I fits. No,

39:26Danny Heifetz:it's a PCL last year. I don't know exactly. Obviously who knows, but what happened to Brock Bowers last year is like what happened to Ricky Paris. So we had a PCL injury, Drake London had this. And for reasons, I don't totally understand. They don't want to do PCL repairs. The same way you do ACL repairs. Cause long story short, there's just more risk of bringing in like a career threatening, destabilization in the knee. So they just, if they can, they let the PCLs heal on their own. Sometimes it's like Brock Bowers where it goes well. And sometimes it's like Ricky Parasol where it didn't get better and they have to do the surgery later and they regret it.

39:56Danny Heifetz:The Bowers thing was like, he was fine. He looked good in practice, all this stuff. And then suddenly he has a meniscus trim, which is bad. I don't know if it's a meniscus injury, if there was mobility issues in the knee. But what I spent too much of my August hyping up Brock Bowers and AJ Brown. And there's a chance they combined for three catches in September. and I'm never going to recover from this. Why do we do it?

40:17Bill Simmons:I don't know. Maybe we should just all not do it. Fantasy football and golf. I'm like, why don't we even play?

40:22Danny Heifetz:Why don't we do it? Sometimes I play in a survivor fantasy football league and like the show Survivor where I like when you draft players. But the way you do it is you watch the first episode and then you pick the players. I think you should do the same. We should just do drafts after week one. Just do drafts after week one. That's not bad. It's not worth it. Everybody gets hurt week one. It's still basically preseason.

40:44Bill Simmons:Week 18, it should go through week 18. We're always afraid of week 18. Maybe we should be more afraid of week one. Or you just do week two to week 17. We got a 16-game season. Isn't that what we all wanted anyway? Let's just do that. I did, because I know Deshaun Bailey is going to be the number one fab fantasy pickup after week one, because he's going to have seven catches for 140 yards. He's going to be the guy. Calling it right now. Clip this out. Put it on Sunday night. So I just, I picked him up in the league with Sal. I just spent a dollar on him. I'm like, you know what? I'm going to spend a dollar now instead of the$28 after week one.

41:17Bill Simmons:Got him in a guillotine league, too. And I just like, this is how it goes. Because fantasy football is stupid. And Deshaun Bailey is going to have seven catches, 128 yards, and a touchdown. Well, and you had A.J. Brown in that league, right? So you knew. You knew you were going to have to find a backup. I knew A.J. would be in a walking boot. All right. So traumatic fantasy day. interesting sports media television day as mike tomlin debuted for nbc what did we think what do you think craig this is your coach i mean i think tomlin is a great quote i don't i i feel like they're using him in kind of a weird way i feel like they're trying to gen zify mike tomlin i saw him doing tiktok dances he recently said he's been playing minecraft for the last 12 years which kind of upset me because the steelers haven't won a playoff game since like 2016 and he says he spent 12 years building a city on mine on minecraft but i i mean i still think tomlin's great i thought he was a little bit kind of boilerplate and i want to kind of unleash him a little more but but i still think he's good it was bizarre like the beginning of that thing they

42:23Danny Heifetz:they really they made him jason garrett for like most of that and then he just like you could tell that all the media training they give jason garrett as mike tomlin kept going he like slipped out of it and just became himself he's like look the the nickel cornerback you got to deliver the baby like you gotta be there and deliver the baby. You're the one who's up to. And then he's like, and then they're like, oh, there's Mike Tallman with his Tallmanisms. Back to you, Jason. And it was like such a strange thing. I know. They're leaning into it too much.

42:49Bill Simmons:You can't try this hard to establish somebody as a TV person. They either have it or they don't. And I agree with you, Craig. I thought, it's like you get Daniel Day-Lewis, you don't put him in the wrong Missy. You put him in a drama. You lean into the fact that he's an awesome dramatic I can't. Mike Tomlin is this super intense, charismatic, whatever. I don't want to see him doing TikToks and I don't want to see them like turning him into a TV character. Like to me, it's like he has real command of the TV when he talks. I'm like, oh, Mike Tomlin speaking. So I don't, I just think they, you know, this is, this has been an NBC issue with all their studio shows, but they're, they try to make it, they try to be intentionally jovial and they try to make everybody characters.

43:34Bill Simmons:And Jason Garrett's just sitting there grinning like a fucking serial killer like every episode. He's like Dexter. I just, I don't like seeing Mike Tallman in a suit. Like put him in a hoodie. I don't want him in a quarter zip. I don't want him in a suit. It's just the whole thing feels weird. Steelers gear. Yeah, they should be dressing him like he's one of the leads in CSI New York or something. Like he shouldn't look like he's doing studio stuff. DK, did you learn anything from him today? No. Yeah. Not really. Do we ever really? I feel like, look, you already mentioned it, but I do want to call it back.

44:07Like Chris Collinsworth calling several of the biggest plays in the game before they happen. He was all over it. This is exactly what I'm looking for from a color commentator or the guy who's calling the plays or whatever. It's like understanding the situation and the formation and the defense. Like when that JSN play happened, he was like, this might be the only time the Seahawks get JSN lined up one-on-one with a cornerback in the entire game. and then lo and behold, you don't expect a team to run a play-action thing on fourth and two in their own end. That was, I think, a pretty ballsy play.

44:40So, yeah, I just give credit to Collinsworth because I do feel like I learned from him at least once again.

44:44Bill Simmons:He's still throwing his fastball. He still is great at capture in the moment. Drake May is falling apart and he's like, Mike, I don't know what Drake May is looking at there. I just don't know, Mike. He kind of captures how you're feeling. I thought he was great. Craig can do it.

45:01Danny Heifetz:Craig can do the Collinsworth. He's scared. Come on. Sal's not here, Craig. Sal's good at it. I don't know if I have it as good as Sal, but I just, Matt Collins, Mike. Matt Collins over the middle. Mike, what a throw, Mike. Drake May. Just so good. He did call that Matt Collins fourth and nine. He did. Yes. An in-breaker. He's like, Drake May loves these in-breakers to Matt Collins. Mm-hmm.

45:25Bill Simmons:Any other stuff we want to hit in the fantasy or real NFL universe? Do you feel like the NFL change today? DK in any way? I mean, they did do a camera on the fish throw in Pike Place Market. Pretty revolutionary, I felt like. Craig and Heifetz hadn't seen that before I told them about it. They didn't know that the fish toss was a thing. Still shocking to me. What is the Pittsburgh equivalent of the Pike Place throwing the fish? What do they do for the Steelers game? Pramante Brothers? Just making Pramantes? Putting french fries and sandwiches? I don't know. Boston, they always go to Faneuil Hall, but meanwhile, the game's being played an hour away in Foxborough, which is almost right near the Rhode Island border.

46:03It's always like the Santa Monica Pier and then they go back to Inglewood. It's like,

46:09Bill Simmons:let's go back to take a right right after the Target in Inglewood and it's right there. Yeah, the Pike Place thing. So what else would you do, Danny? What else would I do to revolutionize the Pike Place throw? No, what else would you do for Seattle footage? Like, would you show like the sub pop? Sure. Would you start leaning into the old, here's where the Seattle Supersonics used to play? Oh, yeah. That's good. Like the old Key Arena. Yeah. I just think people, they think we want to see fish being thrown. Seattle Center.

46:39Danny Heifetz:They put the camera on the fish, and that's good because it's kind of like what Josh Jobe was seeing, right, when he caught Drake May's final interception. It was kind of like POV. I love it. The Giants are about to get their ass kicked. I got to get it. He is taking advantage of the situation right now. While we're here, Bill, honestly, was the peak of the NFL season for you? Literally the NFL season being like, but first Pearl Jam?

47:03Bill Simmons:McCree, well, I was in a whole different situation because my daughter was playing a game and pouring rain and wind in Boston, actually, against Suffolk. So I was watching that game and trying to watch the Pat, and it was like second half of her game. The Red Sox were trying to come back against the Angels, and then the Pats game started. And I, I'm just trying to watch everything all at once. And all of a sudden, Darnold's just looks like he's walking off the field. And I'm, I, I'm just too old. I thought my head was going to explode. It's like, is Darnold, is he leaving the field? Is it true lock time?

47:39Bill Simmons:And there's 10 minutes left in Zoe's game. So I don't know. I was, I was, uh, that was probably the peak of my NFL season because now it's looking pretty grim for the Pats. Listen, Raheem did all these stats today and ringer wise guys like these, the, the Super Bowl matchup. I think it's your own five this century when they do it as the opening game. There's all this stuff about the Super Bowl loser after and you never want to think it's your team. What happened with the Sean Alexander team the next year? Probably not great, right Danny? I'm trying to remember. They were not nearly as good. I think I was talking to Van about this.

48:18The fans kind of turned on Alexander a year or two after his big season because he kind of started just going down too easy and trying to preserve his body. I think late in his career, people were kind of starting to turn on him. I still love it. Now it's like I kind of get it, for sure.

48:34Bill Simmons:Yeah, because when I was growing up, Franco Harris used to go out of bounds over taking a hit. And everybody was like, pussy! People get so mad about it. They're like, serious, Adam. Look at this loser. I was at a game. I remember they were booing Sean Alexander because he went down before he got hit or whatever. I was like, man. the tide turns quickly that would be a great podcast that wouldn't do well but like because we had wade boggs on the red sox who used to try to draw walks so it'd be like third and second one out he's hitting like 360 but he'd like work the pitcher to like a you know five pitch walk and the fans would like get mad they would like boo it's like what are you doing why are you being so selfish drawing that walk and now 40 years later that's exactly what you're supposed to do Meanwhile, now it's like, Puka, go down, go down, Puka.

49:21Danny Heifetz:It is funny, though. We've been joking with this on our show. The amount of things that, like, should have been done in sports earlier, but guys were just afraid of looking like wimps. Like, my favorite is catchers should have been splooting for, like, 100 years. Catchers just crouched. And now all of them stick a leg out. And the answer is, well, we just thought you kind of looked like a bitch. And, like, same with hockey. Like, do you just stand up on two feet? Because no one wanted to, like, get on their knees. And like, that's it. They did that for like 40 years. I think the problem is that it's called splooting.

49:51Who's that? Come up with a better name.

49:54Bill Simmons:Call something cool. Thankfully, we still have the UFC. If you just want to see people with no disregard, no regard for their bodies or heads or anything. What were your football picks for the season? Although Collinsworth made a great point today about people ask me for my Super Bowl pick. I don't even know why I have to give one. Everyone gets hurt every week. I was like, that's genius. We should use that for every ringer podcast. That's what I'm saying. Thank you. That's what I said. And they made fun of me. Bill, on our last episode, we made our Super Bowl picks. And DK kind of refused to make one.

50:24He's like, I don't know who's going to win. It's week one. How am I supposed to know? I said the Seahawks, all right?

50:28Danny Heifetz:Craig, no. Craig and DK Bill had the biggest fight I've seen them have in a while about this. We can run the tape back. I said the Seahawks. And then Craig goes, really? You think that? And I was like, I don't know. Maybe. Oh, and you got mad. He didn't have conviction. Yeah, he's like, I don't know. How am I supposed to know? He's like, ask me in week 15. Maybe I was like, I didn't know Darnold was going to get hurt in six plays.

50:48Bill Simmons:You know, what was yours? I picked the bills. Yeah. See, I was thinking about that because Sal had the bills. This is why predictions are stupid. You're picking something that's never happened before and will probably never happen. I just think everyone's like, I think it's their year. It's like, this is like when the Red Sox fans would go and bet on the Red Sox to win the World Series every year for like 50 years in Vegas. And then we actually won. I just feel like everybody likes the Texans. A lot of, you know, the Ravens are a hot team to pick. I feel like Josh Allen's the best quarterback in the league and nobody's picking them.

51:21So that feels easy to me. And for some reason, because he hasn't done it the last four years, it means he'll never do it. He's like 29 years old.

51:27Bill Simmons:I guess Michael, I had the Joe Brady questions is where I really landed on that. Where, because McDermott, who I know had some bad endings, but the guy was a, you know, a good coach. he was a defensive coach and now they're replacing him with a guy who's never been a head coach and people are like, should be great whereas like Minter, I felt like I just thought he was awesome on the Chargers last year. I don't know, how awesome was Joe Brady in Buffalo when you have Josh Allen and James Cook? He had two of the best offensive players in the league.

51:57Danny Heifetz:Are you wondering about Joe Brady as coordinator or Joe Brady as head coaching managing decision making and all that?

52:04Bill Simmons:I just don't know how much credit he deserved for their offense. For Josh Allen. They had a top seven or eight offensive line. They had the best quarterback in the league, and they probably had one of the five or six best running backs in the league, and they scored points. So it's, I don't know how much. We'll see. I guess we're going to find out in these next two months. Whereas Minter, I do feel like something special might happen. I said this on the pod on Sunday. It feels like once a year there's a coordinator that everybody kind of knows is going to be an awesome head coach. Like last year, it was Ben Johnson.

52:36Bill Simmons:And everybody was like, this guy's going to be an awesome head coach. And I would think it's Minter, right? Do you guys have another candidate that's not him?

52:43Danny Heifetz:To take an extremely oversimplified analogy, I think if Mike McDonald's the Sean McVay of defense, the hope is that Jesse Minter could be like the Kyle Shanahan of defense. That's a tremendous label to put on anyone, but that kind of is the comp because his dad goes way back with the Harbaugh's. They have a system that's kind of spreading. It is kind of similar in that what McDonald and Minter are doing. there at the cutting edge of this thing that's like cutting the McVay Shanahan thing down at the knees I think I had I kind of thought the Ravens are gonna make the Super Bowl I had the I had the Rams winning I had the Rams winning the Super Bowl it's kind of over Ravens but it's like yeah it's like eight eight teams are trying to win the Rams are trying really hard to win the Super Bowl which is actually more than you can say for a lot of teams and I know the super team thing never works I know Stafford at 38 years old making it unscathed is a whole thing but my god If Stafford actually is healthy again, I'm like, I don't know.

53:33Danny Heifetz:I mean, they're so good.

53:36Bill Simmons:You know what I didn't like today? I forgot to mention this. Tomlin sitting down with Harbaugh and calling him Harbs. He's like, I don't want you guys to like each other. What are we doing? I thought the Steelers and Ravens hated each other this whole time. It's like being behind the curtain, Craig. I didn't like it. I feel like that's more of a modern thing. Did they used to do that back in the day? Now the second the careers end, I feel like rivals are now doing commercials together and they're in bits and they're on TV. I've never liked it. It's why I didn't want LeBron on the Warriors. I'm like, I just, we can't have stuff from LeBron on the same team.

54:08Like, what are we doing?

54:09Danny Heifetz:We're going to pretend this is some new thing. I mean, I don't know. Was it? I mean, the beginning of Space Jam has like Michael Jordan and Larry. All these guys are in the beginning. This is like everything.

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55:29Bill Simmons:YouTube TV required. Terms, restrictions, and embargoes apply. Commercial use excluded. No refunds. Well, you guys did the take purge. What was the best take purge out of the three of you? It's an annual gimmick. Great idea. Craig said that. You purge the takes that you don't actually want to say in the show, but you basically get a get-out-of-jail-free card with the take. So what was the best one? Well, the best non-football one was Craig saying that magicians should be the most famous people in the world, which I fully get behind. That's really good. I really respect and appreciate that. It kind of makes no sense that David Blaine is not as famous as LeBron James, but that doesn't matter.

56:10I thought Hyven said that he wanted to see Jerry Jones. He secretly wanted to see Jerry Jones win the Super Bowl, which I thought was absolutely fantastic. But we've already cursed a couple players. That's pretty good. We cursed some people already. I said that Sam Darnold was going to turn back into a pumpkin and that Brock Bowers was the most overrated pick in fantasy this year. And so I guess two for two. Two for two. I don't know who the third one is going to be. They always go down in threes, so we'll see.

56:38Bill Simmons:On the magician thing. Okay. ABC, maybe 15 years ago, had a show with David Blaine 12 to 15 years ago where he did tricks for celebrities. Oh, I've watched it 10 times. The Harrison Ford one. I think it's the best thing that's been on television this century. I've never been more riveted by anything. And the way people reacted to it, like real famous people. Yeah. Not like actually being truly authentic, famous people versus like this massage thing that were fed by all the celebrities, but the way they were reacting to him, I don't know why that show isn't on every year. I would watch it over and over again.

57:13Bill Simmons:What happened to that show? Everybody makes fun of magicians. I think it's because they're frustrated that they don't know how the tricks work, but every time you are forced to go see a magician or something, you kind of have a good time. It blows your mind. And you leave going, oh my God, how did he do that? These guys, they should be more famous. I really think so.

57:30Danny Heifetz:Can this be a reward for winning Ringer 107 and not getting a prize and then Sal and DiBundo coming in last place and getting to go to Vegas? Can we just go to the Magic Castle in LA next time we're in town?

57:40Bill Simmons:That's a great question, Bill. We could just do that anyway. Have you been to the Magic Castle in LA, Bill? I went early. It's been over 20 years since I've been there. Was it fun? I've never been. It was okay. I've had better magician experiences. But yeah, I feel like it should come back. The Prestige, 20th anniversary of that movie. Good movie. it's been on the rewatchables schedule a little bit Bill do you remember when that guy I don't remember his name made the space shuttle disappear does that ring a bell for some reason I don't remember that to Craig's point I don't know why I remember this but it was when I was a kid it was probably in the 80s or 90s and someone made a space shuttle disappear on TV and I thought it was like the coolest thing I've ever seen and I still remember it I don't remember hardly anything these days it does just feel like society collectively agreed that because we're annoyed that we can't figure out these guys' tricks, that we're not going to annoy them as cool people.

58:36Bill Simmons:Where do you stand on card tricks? Is that like cousins of this? Card tricks are okay. It's like that's running the ball, setting up the play action for a deep ball. But my friend hired a magician for his birthday for like 10 of us on a roof. This random guy came up, did tricks in front of us for an hour. It was amazing. He like emptied a Coke can and filled it back up somehow. Like these people, it's remarkable. Illusions, Craig. I love it. illusion. It sounds like the start of Hangover 4. Like Galifianakis gets a magician for the group and then they'll wake up the next day. Did he strip after doing all that stuff or what?

59:11I will say, I don't like when they include technology. Now it's like, pull out your phone and open up Instagram and check my story. And then it's like, some illusion is inside the story. I don't love when they do that, but.

59:21Bill Simmons:Well, that's the internet and YouTube, I think has hurt magicians too. Like people debunking the different tricks. I don't want these tricks debunked. I mean, Pablo Torre took down O's The Mentalist. Right. Did you even have to take him down, though? Yeah, spoiler alert. It's fake.

59:36Danny Heifetz:Well, I mean, the new magicians could never survive in that earlier, more physical league, you know? Now it's just too digital. Craig likes the analog magician. So Craig won the take perch with the magician thing. Yeah. Maybe. That's the one I've been thinking about the most. Well, speaking of Mike Tomlin, the other one I had that I do feel deep in my soul but that I don't want to admit is that I think there's a chance that Mike McCarthy goes like 12-5, wins a playoff game with the Steelers, and then everyone's like questioning if Mike Tomlin was a good coach. I do think there's a chance that happens.

1:00:06Bill Simmons:I had the Steelers in the playoffs, as you know. Yeah. I had... Oh, I have some hottest takes. I don't know if we're ever doing hottest take again. I thought that was in the plans. It's not happening. No, it is. Now we have the new thing we added in Sycamore, and we're going to have this conference table. I'll just test drive one that I didn't think was good enough, but I think is good for the purpose of this. People, this is like an adult male thing where people, they want to get together and they go, we should get a beer. Let's go get a beer. I just think we need more options when we say that.

1:00:46Bill Simmons:Let's get a beer is always the go-to. I don't really just want to randomly get a beer with somebody that I haven't seen for a year and a half. So what are other things I could do with them? I feel like saying let's get a beer though is like a disarming phrase to a man. It makes them feel comfortable. I know, but I'm saying it's 2026. What else? What else do we have? How about let's just go get lunch? We want to go to putt-putt. Yeah. You want to go to mini golf? You want to go get a matcha latte? Can I give you a ride? I won't wear a seatbelt. Any interest? Anybody? Yeah. Matcha latte would be good.

1:01:18Is that good? Okay.

1:01:19Bill Simmons:I don't know, but I just feel like, hey, you want to go get a beer? Hey, I'm going to be in town. Should we go get a beer? It's like the only option that's ever been presented. I just wish there were more options. It's a good call, but I feel like specifically with men, like men don't get dinner. You know what I mean? I feel like you and your friends, it's like me and my friend, Chris, I'm never like, we should get dinner. So he's like, let's grab a beer.

1:01:39Danny Heifetz:Well, that's true because women converse and catch up on their lives face to face and men have to do it shoulder to shoulder. Like men tell each other they're like having a kid in the middle of talking about, like by accident, you've probably learned like watching Red Sox games to someone.

1:01:54Bill Simmons:Yeah, men have to be next to each other looking out. Yeah, right. Bill, maybe instead of instead of let's grab a beer. What about we should we should catch a game? Let's catch a yeah, catch a watch a game. Well, not a Dodger game. Yeah, football game. Yeah, let's watch Monday night game.

1:02:10Danny Heifetz:So is it about the beer or the time? Is it about the beer? Like, are you just done drinking beer?

1:02:15Bill Simmons:I just want I just think it's too much of a cliche. We need more options. The other one I had, I don't think this one works either for hottest take is facial technology for movie theaters. We have it for sporting events. Oh. I just walked right into AMC. They know me right away. I have my thing. I'm just in. I get charged later. I just decided on when I want to go to a movie. I'm just in. They have all our shit anyway. Bill, there's a thing. I mean, I went and did this at the Mariners game the other day. It's like you just show your ID when you're going in. Like you kind of flash it to them and then you go in and you can take as many beers as you want or whatever and you walk out and they charge you.

1:02:51You don't have to like check out. You just grab beers and leave. The Clippers have that. Technology sometimes is good.

1:02:57Bill Simmons:Yeah, the Clippers have that and nobody will use it next year because nobody's ever going to a Clipper game again. But they had the same thing where you just walk and you kind of feel like you're looting the store, but they're charging you the whole time. So I don't know. You guys like facial technology or no? Like that facial recognition where they walk in and they know it's like, it's Craig. He's been to three Clipper games this year. Probably not. It's Craig. Yeah, it's a little creepy, right? He's seen Babylon three times in theaters.

1:03:24Danny Heifetz:He didn't like Megapolis. As a Knicks fan who really, really, really wants to attend a Knicks game this season in the garden, I love facial recognition technology. Oh, yeah.

1:03:35Bill Simmons:I love you, James Dolan. This would be my first hottest take, though. Okay. I'll just test drive it. America can tell us if they want it to come back. No more dogs in hotels. You know what, Bill? I think you're 100%. We've gone way too far. I have two dogs. I've had two dogs the entire time I've lived in California, basically. I've written columns about my dogs. We have an Instagram page for my dog, Merv. I love dogs. I don't want to see a dog in a hotel. And you know what else? I don't want to see your dog in a grocery store either. Keep your dog out of places where there's food. Keep going. I love dogs.

1:04:12Bill Simmons:I'm never going to bring my dog into a place where people are shopping. There's produce. There's meat. Get the fuck out of there. Nobody wants to see your dog. Well, planes don't get me started. Restaurants? No dogs in restaurants. No dogs. Maybe outdoor, maybe? Maybe they could sit outside. Beer gardens. Dogs should only be in a place where if they immediately take a shit, it's okay. Everyone kind of chuckles. Yeah, it's fine. Not a plane, not a six-hour flight. No, not a Target. Not a coffee shop.

1:04:44Danny Heifetz:Wait, Craig, did you ever tell Bill the story of the time the woman made you hold her dog on the plane? I'll make it quick. I was flying from LA to Park City and a woman was next to me with a tiny little chihuahua on her lap. She asked if I could hold it for 20 seconds as she got situated. I said, sure. I looked over, the plane was about to take off. She was knocked out of sleep and I had to take care of that dog for three hours. Come on. True story. So that's Craig's dog now. He adopted the dog. The plane landed. I gave the dog, the dog's name was Greta, eight pounds soaking wet. I gave it back to the lady and the guy across the aisle as we landed looked over at me and said, you're a saint.

1:05:23Bill Simmons:Wow. Why didn't you just wake her up and give her the dog back? I don't know. She had like a bunch of clothes on her lap. It seemed like she was having a day. So I was like, whatever. This dog can sit in my lap, I guess. We've all lost our minds. Yeah. So no dog hotel. Like if, I don't know, maybe not the Marriott, but like the Kempton was like, hey, one of our things in Kempton, no more dogs. I'm into that. Don't ever have to see a dog. You don't have to stay in a room that a dog might have diarrhea on the night before on the floor and they cleaned it up. But you can still kind of smell it. Nothing.

1:05:56Bill Simmons:Checking in nowhere. It's like no smoking. There should be like no dog sections of restaurants and planes and things like that. You could pay a premium for that.

1:06:03Danny Heifetz:Would you like getting in the elevator and seeing a dog though and then just never seeing it again? It's kind of nice. Sure. Elevator's okay.

1:06:09Bill Simmons:Well, part of the problem is there's too many dogs. Everybody has a dog now. Yeah. It's a proliferation of dogs all over the place. like in 40 years ago we didn't there weren't dogs all over the place i feel like you're speaking chris ryan's language right i feel like he'd love this take i asked someone love this take i asked

1:06:25Danny Heifetz:someone the other day i thought they had a mutt and i was like what kind of dog is that and they were like it's an exo and i was like what is like it's an exotic and i was like oh and it meant one of those french bulldogs that was like 18 000 i was like oh my god okay oh wow an exo like exotic like one of those frenchies french bulldogs with the blue eyes that and like a little pink hue that I think it's actually like Kendrick Perkins' breeding or whatever is like$15 ,000.

1:06:49Bill Simmons:Well, then another thing that this might be an LA thing, people are breeding dogs that are like really dramatically different sizes. Yeah. And I don't know how I feel about that. Where you have like, it's like a Great Dane had sex with a schnauzer and now it's a schnauzer Dane. It's dogs like short legs, like what are we doing? Your scientists never considered whether they should, right? They only asked if they could. It does feel like we've gotten bored. And now we're trying to...

1:07:19Danny Heifetz:We're doing so many dog breeds. There's a Rick and Morty episode where they go to a dog planet and the dogs are doing this with people. Yeah. And what happens? It goes poorly. But they're like, you know what? If you don't like this, then you're weird. Right.

1:07:34Bill Simmons:Well, we've never done Island of Dr. Moreau on the Rewatchables, which is one of the worst movies of all time. But that's where Dr. Moreau is breeding humans and animals. And he has this island of human animals, basically. And it's tremendous. We have a Netflix poll. Should dogs be allowed in hotels? 67 % said no. Oh, the people are on your side.

1:07:55Danny Heifetz:But if you take the poll results, you mean that Drake May should be called Drake Maybe if you're going with the mob.

1:08:01Bill Simmons:Well, after today, I can't even fight back on Drake Maybe. This is the worst. Sal's going to be like a pig and shit for four fucking days. Now I have to root for the Giants on Sunday night. If it's...

1:08:12Danny Heifetz:The Giants are going to lose. I told Deacon Craig this, the most underrated thing. I mean, Dak Prescott hasn't lost to the Giants in a game that mattered since his rookie year. Like, the Giants are like 2-16 versus the Cowboys, and the two wins are like games that they benched Dak because the game didn't matter. Do you think Harbaugh, before the game,

1:08:28Bill Simmons:will get everybody together and say, you play for the New York Giants? This is Sunday night football. Sunday night football. NBC is here. part two with tomlin and harbs yeah they liked each other all along yeah so if we bring back the hottest take which i really want to do and have wanted to do for a while now that we have this expanded um studio situation i think we're gonna be able to the netflix polls would be good for this oh yeah because a lot of people accuse craig of killing the hottest take with his cannibalism should be legal hottest take altruistic cannibalism altruistic cannibalism I still think there's a case, but...

1:09:09Bill Simmons:People think that the feed kind of slowed down and I think stopped right after that. They're like, we have to stop. I believe you made us do the rewatchables. We did that movie Alive after I gave that take, right? About the plane crash with Ethan Hawke? Yeah. Right, right. So altruistic cannibalism is one of the last hottest takes. We need to bring it back just for that. Did you guys agree with that take or no?

1:09:32Danny Heifetz:Not really. Honestly, when Craig breaks it down, it's like so... You know, when hypothetically, if you're not wearing a seatbelt and you died in a car crash, Craig's like, I can donate my eyes, but no one can eat me. You have to light me on fire. All my organs? What about my bicep? What about my thigh? What's the difference?

1:09:49Bill Simmons:Yeah, you're rump. Yeah, by rump. It's a rump steak. Yeah, we talk about the veal chop all the time. What would my veal chop look like? I don't know. All right, guys, you're in the Ringer 107 contest. Ringer Fantasy Football. but you did you win last year? You did, right? Yes, we won. No, we won 11 games. There was no prize. We bet on the coin toss in the Superbowl and won. Yeah, there it is. So you're the ringer 107. You'll be giving your picks on, uh, on your last show of the week. House and I are going to be back tomorrow. We're going to do, so we're doing a gimmick where we're going back and forth, four picks each, but we can't have the same picks.

1:10:28Bill Simmons:Um, and then everybody's going to have the fifth picks that will be, uh, on social media, but this will be good. I feel like last year was a test run. This is going to be a real thing. And FanDuel was saying, there's going to be some stuff. There's going to be some prizes. That's how I felt about the Ringer Fantasy Football League that Mallory won. I felt like that was a test drive as well. Now it starts, I feel like. We didn't really know what we were doing. Mallory won it last year, and she lost it this year. She has Brock Bowers. Brock Bowers is already out. His PCL, MCL, whatever CO. And my Patriots season now feels like it might be over.

1:11:00Bill Simmons:I really need a rally. 10 days of intensive therapy. Hopefully AJ Brown in the walking boot. DK, congratulations. You beat us again. I wish I could work up any hatred for Seattle and I just don't have any. You might get an NBA team again soon. We might be out there in December doing rewatchables too. Heck yeah. Yeah, might happen. All right. DK, Heifetz, Craig, great to see you guys. Check out the Ringer Fantasy Football Podcast. I am back tomorrow night live on Netflix after their post-game show from Rams Niners. We're coming on about a half hour after that meet house. We're going to be doing all of our picks.

1:11:33Bill Simmons:Thanks to Gahau and Eduardo and everybody behind the scenes as well. Thanks, guys. I will talk to you soon. Thank you.

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