Seattle Spanks the Patriots, Drake Maye’s Mystery Stinker, and Parent Corner With Cousin Sal

9 Feb 2026 · 1 h 13 min · 27 chapters

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Notes on The Bill Simmons Podcast - Episode: "Seattle Spanks the Patriots, Drake Maye’s Mystery Stinker, and Parent Corner With Cousin Sal"

Episode Overview

  • Host: Bill Simmons
  • Guest: Cousin Sal
  • Release Platform: Netflix Live
  • Air Date: [Insert Date]
  • Main Topics:
  • Recap of Super Bowl LX with a focus on the Seahawks vs. Patriots matchup.
  • Discussion on Drake Maye's performance and future.
  • Conclusion with "Parent Corner" where both hosts share personal anecdotes.

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Super Bowl LX Recap (0:31)

  • Final Score: Seattle Seahawks defeat the New England Patriots.
  • Significant Performances:
  • The Seahawks' defense was highlighted as one of the best in Super Bowl history, compared to legendary defenses like the 2000 Ravens and the 85 Bears.
  • Drake Maye's subpar performance is critiqued, with emphasis on:
  • Multiple missed opportunities.
  • Setting negative records (e.g., sacks, fumbles).

Key Moments

  • Seattle's first Super Bowl victory; they dominated the game.
  • Discussion on whether Seattle's performance should be placed among the greatest defenses of all time.
  • Cousin Sal mentions how the game had the potential to be a blowout.

Silver Linings for Patriots Fans

  • Simmons lists "silver linings" despite the loss:
  • Not attending the game in person to witness the defeat.
  • Shining moments from the season that included overachievement.
  • Praise for Christian Gonzalez's defensive prowess.

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Drake Maye’s Performance Analysis

  • Maye's "mystery stinker" performance raises questions about his future.
  • Discussion of comparisons to other athletes who faced setbacks early in their careers (e.g., Kobe Bryant).
  • Cousin Sal mentions the experiences of Darnold being a part of the "Darnold redemption arc."
  • The conversation delves into the coaching strategies used against Maye, criticizing play-calling and execution.

General Consensus

  • Both hosts agree that while Maye had a rough game, he's still a talented quarterback with potential for the future.
  • The importance of this game in shaping narratives about Maye’s career.

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Parent Corner with Cousin Sal (50:15)

  • Personal Anecdotes:
  • Simmons shares a humorous story about a birthday conversation with his son regarding the Patriots.
  • Cousin Sal discusses frustration over routine sports photo days and their money-making nature.

Key Takeaways

  • The segment provides a light-hearted contrast to the earlier serious sports discussion, showcasing the hosts' personal lives.
  • Emphasis on generational differences in sports culture and parenting.

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Conclusion

  • Bill Simmons and Cousin Sal provide a mix of sports analysis, personal stories, and humor.
  • The episode captures the highs and lows of being a sports fan while also delving into personal reflections on parenthood.
  • The discussion reveals insights into both the sports world and personal experiences, maintaining a balance between entertainment and informative content.

Recommendations

  • For further insights into the Super Bowl and Drake Maye’s future, listeners are encouraged to follow upcoming episodes that will delve deeper into the offseason dynamics and player developments.
  • Fans of the show can look forward to more segments like "Parent Corner" that explore the intersection of sports and family life.

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Super Bowl LX Recap

0:46 to 2:24

The hosts discuss the performance of the New England Patriots and the Seattle Seahawks in Super Bowl LX.

“I would not have cared about this game if not for you.”

Drake May's Performance

2:25 to 4:09

Bill and Sal analyze Drake May's disappointing performance during the Super Bowl, comparing it to past athletes.

“This could have been an absolute shellacking.”

Defensive Strategies and Key Players

4:10 to 5:54

The hosts delve into the defensive strategies of the Seahawks and highlight key players like Kenneth Walker.

“And the truth is, there weren't really any.”

Offensive Struggles and Missed Opportunities

5:55 to 7:52

Discussion on the offensive struggles of the Patriots and missed opportunities in the game.

“I mean, you know, he ended up with 295 yards, but you really can't go by that.”

Game Dynamics and Turning Points

7:53 to 9:50

Exploring the dynamics of the game, including moments that shifted momentum and affected outcomes.

“Being able to rush the Pats with four people, basically, do these out-of-nowhere blitzes, but then it seemed like the big thing they were trying to do is make sure Drake didn't scramble at all.”

Coaching Decisions and Strategies

9:51 to 11:28

Bill and Sal critique the coaching decisions made during the game and their implications.

“The Darnold redemption, I think, will be one of the legacies of this season.”

Analyzing the Game Strategy

14:01 to 17:12

Discussion on the poor coaching choices during the game and their impact.

“I felt like you played a lot of that game up until the fourth quarter.”

Reactions to Drake May's Performance

18:46 to 22:40

Analyzing Drake May's playoff performance and media reactions.

“I was thinking about this week in Boston, because I was just in Boston, the sports media there, how they're going to react to this.”

Boston Sports Media and Fan Reactions

22:40 to 28:01

Exploring how Boston sports media and fans will react to the team's performance.

“You get better by starting the game in a way, you know, that you're not peaking two hours later.”

Boston's Super Bowl Reflections

28:01 to 28:59

Discussing the emotional state of Boston sports fans during Super Bowl week.

“it was pretty fun good story there oh really enjoyed this I think this is third Super Bowl too the second Super Bowl this is the sixth one I couldn't find all of them but I got some Yeah, there's articles you can read.”
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Kraft's T-Shirt Controversy

29:00 to 30:09

Analyzing the implications of a celebrity's t-shirt during the Super Bowl.

“Oh, she really escalated it with Robert Kraft.”

Brady's Complex Legacy

30:10 to 31:45

Exploring the mixed feelings toward Tom Brady among Patriots fans.

“God only knows that this woman's capable of...”

Teams Watching the Super Bowl

31:46 to 34:24

Discussing which NFL teams are likely feeling frustrated after the Super Bowl results.

“It's natural to not want your old team to win, isn't it?”

Memorable Super Bowl Moments

34:25 to 35:48

Reflecting on some of the worst Super Bowls in history and comparing them.

“I'm trying to think nobody else in the NFC, right?”

Drake May's Performance

35:49 to 37:08

Analyzing Drake May's performance during the Super Bowl based on his previous games.

“Well, I had 20 minutes to recover before we came out.”

Game Day Experience

37:09 to 39:28

Sharing personal anecdotes about watching the game and interacting with fans.

“I went to a party for like a half of it.”

Super Bowl Betting Insights

39:29 to 41:36

Discussing various betting odds and outcomes during the Super Bowl.

“And then he does the Le 'Veon Bell thing where he stalls in the hole.”

Analyzing Betting Props from the Game

42:00 to 43:30

Discussion of various betting props that performed well during the game.

“Ramondre had a TD, so if you had one, that one hit.”

Super Bowl Nostalgia and Future Odds

43:30 to 45:53

Exploration of past Super Bowl wins and the implications of future odds for teams.

“And the Gatorade was yellow, lime, green.”

Discussion on Super Bowl Week Timing

45:53 to 48:40

Debate on the length of time between conference championships and the Super Bowl.

“both Sundays, and then President's Day is the day after?”

Parent Corner: Reflecting on Sports and Kids

48:40 to 50:20

Insights into the challenges of youth sports and the commercialization of photo days.

“every angle, every trend, every prop is debated through exhaustion by the first Monday, the second Monday or whatever.”

Funny Family Anecdote: Drink Sticks Story

50:20 to 56:02

Share a humorous story about a mix-up involving drink sticks and a family member's online shopping.

“First of all, my middle guy, Jack Romo, turned 18.”

Tech and Parenting: Monitoring Screen Time

56:02 to 57:09

Learn about the challenges of monitoring kids' screen time and the effectiveness of apps.

“And do they have breathalyzers for computers?”

Betting Insights: Super Bowl and NBA Futures

57:10 to 58:25

Explore the hosts' insights into sports betting, including NBA playoffs and specific bets they've made.

“I had too much of a nest egg from Rabel winning coach of the year and stuff.”

Trade Deadline Impact on NBA Teams

58:26 to 1:01:18

Discuss how trades affect NBA teams and their performance after trade deadlines.

“One of the other ones I did was Nuggets, Celtics, and Cavs all to win 50-plus games.”

Nostalgia and Reflections on College Days

1:01:19 to 1:03:25

Reflect on college experiences and changes seen during visits to alma mater.

“They brought in the new guy, the Somnou, and looked like crap.”

Sports Discussions: Patriots, Seattle Fans, and March Madness

1:03:26 to 1:07:50

Engage in discussions about the Patriots, Seattle fans, and upcoming sports events like March Madness.

“But, uh, did anything else surprise you?”
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0:27作詞曲曲 曲 李宗盛

0:35You know what? Fuck this. I'm out of here. Yeah, you sit down. You sit your ass down, boy. You gonna go wrestling promo on me? It's over. It's over. Let me say my piece. Drake, baby. You can't be the one who saves me. That is that. There ain't gonna be no Dynasty 2.0. the re-apex is dead a dreadful despicable performance by Drake maybe and Mike Vrabel and the New England Patriots what a disgrace a complete no show and there's not a damn thing you or Pats Nation or Bob Cousy could do about it the Seattle Seahawks win the franchise's first ever Super Bowl is that it that was their first one right I love it let's look it up I'm gonna have a heart attack take it away take it away Is this where you've been reduced to, to lighting and another team's losses?

1:32You really helped me out here. This is where you've been? I would not have cared about this game if not for you. I appreciate it. Thank you. Silver linings for me. Number one. By the way, this is the Bill Simmons podcast. I'm Bill Simmons. That's Cousin Sal. We are live on Netflix right after Super Bowl LX, which was a Super Bowl L for me and the rest of the Patriots fans. Silver linings for me. I didn't go. Thank God. That would have been awful. I mean, really, that's why you don't go to the Super Bowl for moments like that. I was actually on text threads, like, would you have tried to sneak out early, pretend you go to the bathroom, and put...

2:11Like, you almost have to bring a disguise to the game to go out. That's my first silver lining. Second one, Darnold, who I thought was good, but missed a couple throws that this game could have been, like, 50-7. This could have been an absolute shellacking. He missed Shahid on that long pass when he was open. He missed... JSN got snuck away when he was under pressure. He missed him on that. But there was a couple of big plays. The Walker play got called back. They could have had 50 points. 29... What was it? 29-14? Is that a silver lining, though? Because they sucked you back in. So that's not great.

2:48Because they definitely sucked you back in. 50-7, you're good. You could have left. You could have walked out. I got sucked back in twice. and I hated myself. Silver landing number three. You're having a great time. I don't like how much fun you're having. I can't believe there were three. Go ahead. Maybe in the legend of Drake May down the road, this would be the game, you know, in the two-hour documentary about Drake May after he won five Super Bowls. It all started here with the pain of Super Bowl LX when the Seahawks battered him and he got sacked and he set the sacks record and he set the, what did he set?

3:24The sacks record and the fumbles record. Everything, you name it. All the post-season records. Garbage time, yards, records. Worst EPA since they've had EPA, since they've understood how to measure that. But there's been other athletes that have had bad moments like this. And they've, like Kobe had the terrible game in Utah. I think his rookie year or second year. Nobody remembers it now. Maybe that'll be Drake May. Okay. Silver lining. I'll keep going. That's very exciting. Christian Gonzalez is really good. Want to shout him out? The defense was good for three quarters. I thought we did a good job.

3:59And this Pats team, you know, this was a gravy year. We were supposed to be two years from now. We weren't supposed to be in the Super Bowl this year. Right. Silver lining. I told you that. Overachieved. Overachieved this year. Yeah. And the truth is, there weren't really any. There were good AFC teams, but that was it. There was no one special. The Seahawks team was kind of special. I thought the Rams were special. I'm not just saying it because of Stafford over May, whatever. But the Rams scored on this team. And I think they have extraordinary receivers and tight ends, and that was the difference.

4:31But otherwise, Seattle shut everybody down for months. They were a good team. And AFC team didn't deserve it. You sent Shador Sanders to the Pro Bowl, for God's sakes. And that's only because Justin Fields didn't accept. So the AFC... I think Joe Flacco went, too. I think we sent Shador Sanders and Joe Flacco. Yeah, AFC didn't deserve it. So if you want to add that as a silver lining, do whatever you want. I have one more silver lining. Thank God Drake made it and win the MVP. We would have had like a Dirk Nowitzki 2007 situation where he ended up losing by one vote. And now I'm at peace with it.

5:02It's a big night for Justin Herbert. Yep. We'll go back to Boston. We should talk about Seattle. Yeah, go back to Boston, man. No, let's go Seattle. It was their night. It was a really good team all year. Advanced metrics said they were great. eye test, very good, but the Rams had what? 479 yards against them two weeks ago? Yeah. This was an awesome game for them at the right time, and it moved into that pantheon of great Super Bowl defense performances. So you got like 2 ,000 Ravens, the Legion of Boom Seahawks, 85 Bears. Would you nudge them in that area, or this was just a great game by them?

5:44No, I think so. I think just what I said, if some reason the Rams had some voodoo and were able to score points. And even though they lost two out of three to them, they were able to move the ball. If you look back, nobody else did it for like 10 weeks. And yeah, I put him right in there. I mean, you know, he ended up with 295 yards, but you really can't go by that. What you needed is, I'm sure we'll go deeper into the game, is, you know, it wasn't a blowout. It was the case where you had fourth and two, fourth and three a bunch of times and you punted and it was the right move because you were only two scores down, right?

6:15Yeah. And Kenneth Walker was the difference in the first half. And, you know, whatever, whether he was going to win the MVP or not, it's like this guy, that's what you needed. You needed the running back. You needed the big 15, 20-yard play from the running back to get you out of the field position mess that they were in. Well, it was 19-7, and we got to stop. We got the ball back, and then Drake threw that pick. That was just awful. Yeah. It was like he was trying to get all 12 points back. It was also weird we didn't go for the two-point. I didn't understand that. Yeah, you want to make it 19 to eight.

6:46So it's a field goal and a touchdown. But that was weird. I thought some of the two point stuff was weird in this game. But yeah, they sucked me back in. I'm not going to lie. Because it had the makings of almost like the Falcons game where it seemed over, but there was a lot of time left. And when they got the ball back, they're like, wow, there's 12 minutes left. Yeah. Super Bowl is weird. It's really like... They take forever. We've seen the second half's turn. I think you had, I want to say you had five first downs at the very end of the third quarter. And then you had like two. You had one through a penalty and then you ran for one or something.

7:20And so you ended up like with seven through three. I was like, this is not, damn it, this is not over yet. And then he connects on that touchdown to that psych ward escapee, Matt Hollins. Hollins hit all his overs today. It was one of the few bets I won. Yeah, he'll be in the league for a while. He seemed like he was the only guy who was kind of sort of open. Very stable dude, yeah. Well, so you had this defense, which, you know, against the Rams, they had one sack, and they gave up almost 500 yards, but maybe the Rams were even better than we thought. That's the only thing I can think of, because that happened in Seattle.

7:56Collinsworth was all over it. Being able to rush the Pats with four people, basically, do these out-of-nowhere blitzes, but then it seemed like the big thing they were trying to do is make sure Drake didn't scramble at all. And then none of the receivers seemed like they were open. So it was like all the worst possible things. The Pats haven't, they haven't had a game like that all year. Like even when they, the worst game they played all year was Vegas in week one. And even that game, it was a one score game. They haven't had a game where they got their ass kicked like that in five months. No.

8:25Well, you're not going to have the Raiders on your schedule every week. What are you going to do? No, I'm sorry. I love it. No, they didn't let him scramble and they let him, the schedule stuff's fair. Didn't let him set his feet. Well, the one thing with the schedule day, everyone's like, Oh, they, he played the same defense as basically as staffers. Like, and you can only play the defense, but smart people were actually saying, yeah, you can only play the defense. You're not playing their offense. That's not really like smart people, not you, but smart people were saying that's really not true because the bad offenses you're playing give you good field position.

8:56So you're going to score points, right? So that should be factored in. Our defense was really good tonight. Definitely. I thought they were matching everything. And at some point, you can only make the other team punt so many times or settle for field goals so many times. and then do nothing when you have the ball. And it finally seemed like it broke them. When did you think it was over? And when did they suck you back in? Was it when JSN came out when he had like a fight with the blue tent? And then he was off to the locker room? Was that like, oh boy, this is, yeah, this is what we needed. No, I thought it was over when they went up.

9:28What was it? 21-0 or whatever it was. 21-0. No. What was it? 22-7. I can't remember. Right? I thought it was over. And then when they did the stop and they were down two scores and it seemed like they could actually, I felt like they were back in. Then I thought they were out again. And then it just was about saving face after that. But they did suck me in. They sucked me in. I think they sucked all the Pets fans. So the defense, that's one. The Darnold redemption, I think, will be one of the legacies of this season. And especially him doing that against the Patriots, the team that broke him. He kind of passed the ghost over to Drake May during this game.

10:07probably was watching from the other side. But he missed a couple big throws. He avoided some sacks. I thought he moved around in the pocket. I thought the pass rush was there the whole game. And he never like threw, he almost threw a couple of picks, but didn't. He never got stripped. Like he just was efficient. It was exactly what he wanted. And I thought as when they went up nine, nothing, it was pretty clear probably to them. Like, hey, we just, we just can't fuck up on offense and we're going to probably win the Super Bowl here. So let's be a little conservative. So they did what they should have done.

10:37I left you alone. I didn't text you guys. I know you Patriots were off texting. Fans were texting each other. I stopped. I stopped second half. I stopped doing my phone. I didn't want to give you hell. I'd rather give you shit here. I owe America for this. So that's that. What did I do? But I would say this. Like, Darnold, I was thinking. I was like, oh boy, if there's a live line for a Darnold interception, like halfway through the first quarter. I was waiting for it. It's like, where the hell is this thing? And he just, it never. I thought that alone was going to win him MVP. The fact that he didn't throw an interception.

11:06But yeah, you're right. Like he scrambled and then like he did the hard part and then he had, who was it? It was Barner open. Maybe it was Jason. Yeah, Barner got the TD. By the way, Barner, yeah. You called Barner first touchdown. That must've been exciting for you. Wasn't. No? Yeah, that wasn't exciting for me. God, you're so hard to please. That wasn't exciting for me. The MVP thing. So Walker won. I thought he should've won. Definitely. Who would have been your runner up for this? Because there was a Witherspoon case, I thought. But he was like a complete maniac in this game. Byron Murphy was good too, but Witherspoon, those unexpected blitzes that he just timed perfectly, combined with the fact that their secondary basically completely locked down on the pass receivers, I thought he was in the mix.

11:49He was good. It's almost harder to give a defensive player MVP because there's always two or three, right? It's rare that one guy, only one guy. And I think Cowboys Denver, they gave it to Harvey Martin and Randy White. They were like, screw it. We're going to give it to two here. They did a combo, right? Yeah, like we can't think of this. The only other one I was thinking was Myers, but I was looking at his odds, his live odds. They never got past 13 to one. I was like, geez, how many field goals this guy have to kick? I actually would have voted for Dixon over Myers. Really? I thought Dixon was awesome the whole playoffs, but he's just a complete weapon over and over again.

12:24Never screws up. It's always like there was one time when it seemed like we had a chance to get some field position in the first half, and he just 51-yard punt, no return. Yep. or if it's inside the 10, he's going to actually put you inside the 10. So for the Seahawks, their craziest, most memorable game of this year, when we look back on their season, was that weird two-point game. Thursday night game? That's going to be the Thursday night two-point comeback game. It's going to be huge. It swung everything. It swung home field for playoffs. You have revenge for the Malcolm Butler game. And then from a legacy standpoint, I hope this isn't the case, but the team that broke Drake May Drake May will be fine, he's 23 but I hope this isn't the start of some sort of new direction of his career, that they would get to plant their stake in.

13:14I hope it is You really hate Drake May. Look, I had a lot at stake I have a crazy reputation in this industry, and I labeled him Drake Maybe Now you're back? That reputation was in jeopardy, Bill I don't know if you understand, but yeah. Yeah, it took a while. What was your favorite part of the game? I thought his... Imagine me wallowing me in my sadness. His fumble, I think. That really, really did it, right? The strip, yeah. The strip, yeah. And I don't want to... I'm joking for a lot of this, but that rush was so damn good. It was so good. But I also feel like... You feel like Vrabel let you down a little bit.

13:53I'm not questioning the fourth and twos and everything, but some of the play calls, You ran on third and five early, and then you punted on fourth and two. So I felt like you were giving up. I felt like you played a lot of that game up until the fourth quarter. You played a lot of that game as if you were playing Denver in the fourth quarter last week. And that wasn't going to spark any big plays. I thought the strategy in the coaching was terrible. The whole game. I just didn't understand what they were doing. Especially like they brought that I formation in once and ran for eight yards. That was like this big formation they had that was actually successful and you kind of needed it the way the Seahawks were playing defense.

14:30They did it once and we never saw it again. I didn't understand why they weren't getting the ball out fast, why they weren't rolling him out side to side when his legs are so good. Like, why not try to buy him time? I can't tell you, like, people watch today, maybe they didn't watch the Patriots that much. Their offensive line has been this bad all season. like this is he's just he's navigated this it's been one it was one of the reasons i thought he was mvp like there was one guy that voted for justin herbert for mvp he was seduced by the seven seed um and his case was like he was running for his life though the whole season he didn't have his tackles and it's like did you watch drake may was drake may not running for his life and you know the the pats fans threads i'm on are like did did he just take too much of a beating this year.

15:17Like, could this have been... No, please. Well, nobody's ever been sacked or probably taken as many hits in four straight playoff games like this. There wasn't one easy half that he had, and it's like... And this was what it was like the whole season. Earlier in the season, he was controlling it, maybe partly because the schedule was easier. By the time we got to this game, but that was what he was doing all year. He always had people around him. He was always pulling... He had five wow plays a game. How many wild plays did he have today other than the bomb the Hollins? He really didn't have any.

15:52I don't know what to say. Maybe that's the case. There are some quarterbacks that take worse beating. Like Baker Mayfield, I feel. Joe Burrow. If you just look at his stats, Stafford over the years, none of those guys were able to get to the Super Bowl except for Burrow that one year. I wouldn't say it was his shoulder. I don't think that was it. I don't think that was the problem today. I really thought some bad play calling by the coach of the year and your guy wasn't able to execute. And you needed a remandre or something, someone to break, someone to break a big run or a big screen pass or something because it just wasn't there.

16:24Well, there was a couple, like that blitz when the play that ended the game, basically, when he got hit as he was throwing it and it went right to the defender and the guy ran for a touchdown. Too late. They showed the all 22 of that play. Witherspoon's leaving. Stephon Diggs is over on the right side. There's nobody on the right side. And he runs 15 yards downfield. It's like, you don't see this guy's blitzing? Why don't you run two yards and stop? And then May has the quick pass. It just felt like they were not on the same page. It was like Seattle had stumbled upon, we'll rush four, but then every once in a while we have this blitz, and they're not going to have any idea what to do every time we do it.

17:02And even in the fourth quarter, they didn't have any idea how to do it. We got to take one break. Don't go away, man. I don't trust us taking a break, because then you might not be back. We're going to take a break. we'll see if I'm here after the break but we're taking a break right now the Bill Simmons podcast is brought to you by FanDuel the football season may be coming to an end but things are only getting started on the court on the hardwood on the wood as some people call it FanDuel the number one choice for same game parlays live betting and much more during the NBA season don't forget with FanDuel you get paid instantly when you win download the FanDuel Sportsbook app right now and play your game.

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18:58And the number one thing they're going to seize on is Drake May. Good. He choked. Is he hurt? Did they lie to us? is this just Drew Bledsoe all over again where he got us to the precipice, but this is just who he is. He didn't really play two good halves in any playoff game. He got worse as the playoff. They're going to do the whole thing. You're an impartial observer other than the fact that you nicknamed him Drake, Drake, maybe. I think it's mostly going to be fair because if he's going to get all that credit and one vote away from MVP is a goddamn lot of credit. he should get a little shit for, you know, whatever.

19:39Would they have six sacks? I'm not going to say he could have avoided all of them, but I thought he could have done a better job with a two or three. He should have done a better job than Darnold did with your rush, which is just as good. I don't know what this says long-term for him. He's still a great downfield thrower. You don't see that much. I don't want to praise him right now, but I'm sure they'll go over the top a little bit. But, yeah, he is to blame. He was horrible. Thank you. I've watched every step of his career, I think. And that was by far the most frazzled and terrible he's ever been in a game that I've watched.

20:14And he missed. Collinsworth, they were doing a good job of pointing out. He was missing open guys. The defense was really good. The defense, there were still spots and there were guys open and there were plays to make. And he just didn't make the plays over and over again. And at some point, it was like the punter's coming out for the seventh day time. And it was usually because he missed a throw or he didn't see a blitz coming from the right side or we couldn't block for him or all three things at the same time. It was just really bad. We haven't seen the post-game stuff. I'm sure he'd be the first one to say it.

20:46Like, I was terrible. I don't know what happened. As a fan, you watch every play, whatever. You and I now as a fan because I need him to fail because of my stupid nickname. But you get in a routine of, you know, if his feet are set, that a pass, you kind of don't even need to see the result. Like, you know, like, oh, his feet are set. He's rearing back. He's throwing. There was somewhere he couldn't get to his spot. He, like, overthrew Booty on a third down, like, flying across the middle and everything. But even when he was setting his feet on that second interception, you're like, oh, that's got to be complete.

21:19He's throwing this with such authority. Right. Didn't even have that. It was way off. Yeah. He just seemed, it seemed like they sped the game up on him with the pressure that they had. And I think he knew the left side of the line, which couldn't really block all year. I mean, I was saying all year, how are we going to make the Super Bowl when we can't block? But they figured it out. They patched it together. But something, the accumulation of those four games or something about maybe the stage, easily the most frazzled he's been. Not only were the guys, he was missing behind. He was throwing the wrong guys.

21:53He was thrown too hard. That was one thing he never really did during the season. Like he had that one play when, I forget if his booty or digs was over the middle. And he threw like a John Elway cannon. It was just too hard. The guy was open, but he just could never get the timing down. Then finally, it felt like he was starting to get into the rhythm in the fourth quarter, and then the sack interception play happened. It took him three quarters. Not that he was lights out in the fourth quarter by any means, but it took him three where it should have taken one. This is the story of the season, though.

22:24Especially if you look back, there were all these games where they would just stink for an hour, and then all of a sudden he would get it, and you could see it happening in real time. It's like, oh, now he's in a groove. Here we go. So he's a young player. Obviously, he's achieved more at 23 for an NFL quarterback than just about anybody. But this is how he's like, how do I get better? You get better by starting the game in a way, you know, that you're not peaking two hours later. You kind of want to start the game that way. Yeah, no, he's done. So I don't know what you said. Do you go back to Mac Jones?

22:55Like two is available. I'm trying to, you could get lucky in the draft. Some of his throws today were honestly two-esque. They were throws of quarterbacks that we've made fun of, which, you know, again, Seattle's defense was awesome. It didn't feel like any receivers ever seen that open. They couldn't really run the ball, and they took away his scrambling. And that was it. What else is Boston going to say? Will Campbell's going to be a rough week for him. I like Will Campbell. He's a great guy, but there's going to be a lot of, is he a bust? Should we move him to guard? They'll get a month out of that.

23:28Right. is this guy good enough? Do they need a left tackle? They spent the fourth pick in the draft on a left tackle. Do they still need one? That'll lock that down. McDaniels will take hits, I think, for not really scheming anything that seemed to make sense. And it's like, this is why he failed as head coach tonight. We'll hear that. The easy schedule team frauds, that'll go the whole offseason, especially as we're talking about what are their over-unders for win totals, their division odds. And they'll end up being pigeonholed now as like the Washington of this year. It's like, yeah, they overachieved, harder schedule.

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24:08Are we sure they were that good anyway? They'll get all that. Do we want to, well, I guess we'll go over odds separately. But along with what you're saying, it's not just New England, Boston radio that is not fond of them in 2026. True. Yeah, I think that's, That combined with how weird the Denver game was. There's going to be the karma of some of the stuff, some of the off-the-field stuff that happened, combined with crapping and the Epstein emails. People have a field day with that. Oh, yeah. That'll happen. Drake betting on the Patriots, I think, will be a deal. The other Drake. I asked you last week, I said, what moves the needle for you?

24:49Any of these trends or anybody betting? And Drake was definitely number one at the top. That's the number one I was the most scared of. And then I think the one that's really going to have legs is whether Drake was hurt. I think that's going to... Because we never find out until after what was wrong with people. And this was a guy who threw... He completed like 73 % of his passes. He was one of the most accurate regular season passers in the history of professional football. And then in the playoffs was not accurate. So what happened? And there's that video from two weeks ago, which I've had a lot of people mention to me when they were mic'd up.

25:25Did you see it? In the Denver game? Yeah. McDaniels comes over to him. There's like seven minutes left and Drake says to him, this is hard. This is so hard or something like that. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And McDaniels is like, I know, buddy. I know. Listen, man, this is all going to be worth it. And the original interpretation was that it was playing in the snow was hard. But then there was this next level. It was like, he's saying this is so hard because his shoulder's fucked up. Yeah, yeah. And he's playing hurt. And that's why this is so hard. So then he comes out. What did he miss? 10 throws in this game?

26:02In the first three quarters? When he was 13 for 26, like most of those were makeable throws. Like three of those guys were probably covered. But it felt like a bunch of those guys were open. So I think that's going to be the biggest thing coming out of this. Well, let me ask you this. If you're an athlete, of course, when you're an athlete, we can't relate. right? They're just playing at such a high level. But let's just say as a podcaster, if someone said, wow, Simmons didn't sound good on that pod. Do you think he has mononucleosis? Like, wouldn't you rather that be the criticism? Did he eat carbs yesterday?

26:33What happened to him? Great. Wouldn't you rather that be the talk? Then, wow, he doesn't have his fastball anymore, right? If I'm Drake May, I take that criticism. Like, all right, they think I'm injured. And yeah, of course, I wasn't 100%. So I'll take it. I'd love to know the truth. I was going to eat pizza of the night, by the way. Do it, buddy. The other thing, this will be the really dark corner of the Boston sports media and then the radio shows people know who they are, but the Patriots, City of Champions, we've won six Super Bowls. We've lost 6-2. Nobody's lost more Super Bowls than the Patriots.

27:07We're only 6-6. I guarantee somebody will do that by Wednesday. That's stupid. We're only 6-6. Are you 6-6? Batting 500 in the Super Bowl. Congratulations for making it so many that somebody will do that. That's stupid. Guaranteed. I have one more I could add. Oh, throw it in. They tanked the game on purpose. The difference between the 31st pick in the draft and the 32nd pick. It's a very rich draft. Their board was 31. It's offensive line intensive. You don't need Seattle stealing that pick from you if it's reversed. They tanked. What do you got? I brought some DVDs. Are you going to eat them like I did?

27:45Super Bowl 36. That was a good win. Okay. this was I think the Panthers that was a good one this was the one about the 21 game winning streak in the third Super Bowl it was pretty fun good story there oh really enjoyed this I think this is third Super Bowl too the second Super Bowl this is the sixth one I couldn't find all of them but I got some Yeah, there's articles you can read. I'm going to sleep with these tonight and cradle them. Cradle them like a baby as I try to fight off the tears. This was such a bad week for Boston. Aside from you doing the koozie thing, which is nice. Honestly, there was so much negative Boston mojo that I thought there's no way it would continue.

28:34I thought, oh, crap. Belichick doesn't get in the hall. He gets snubbed. Kraft gets snubbed. Yeah. Brady kind of turns on the team. The fans, led by you, turn on Brady. I was like, this can't continue. This means the Patriots are going to win by 25. They say all great families have dysfunction. Yeah, but all in the same week. Oh, and then Jordan wears that shirt. My God. Oh, she really escalated it with Robert Kraft. Yeah, she wore the t-shirt of the spa that Kraft was at. Yes. When I first saw that, I was like, oh, man, that's harsh. And then I said, that's pretty good. Like that's kind of in our wheelhouse of comedy.

29:17She just goes, they have the Superbowl, just comes out with this stealth spa thing. Cause they obviously blame Kraft for not getting into the hall of fame. So how did that start? You think he's like, Hey, you know, it would be good if you wore this shirt or was she the brains behind it and says, I'm going to wear this. And then he has to decide how far he wants to take it. What do you think? I have a third option. She just did it and he had no idea. At what point did he have no idea? She just, they were out together. and she was wearing a t-shirt. Maybe he didn't know what it was. Come on. That's craziness.

29:50You don't think so? I think that's in play. He doesn't know now? He still doesn't know? I think odds are they were out already. And she's like, by the way, did you notice my t-shirt? And he's like, I thought we were on to the fanatics party. Weren't there organs of Asia jokes at the roast? I thought that was... He would have to know. He has to. But maybe she tried to hide it from him until they went out. Yeah. God only knows that this woman's capable of... Can you explain the Brady thing to me for a second because you went on a walk, a brisk walk, and you just, you went off. And I didn't, I didn't really understand it.

30:21Well, here's, which part didn't you understand? He played for the Patriots for 20 years. We have a statue of him outside the stadium. Yeah. He played with Mike Vrabel, won multiple Super Bowls with him. And it's like his legitimate friend. Like they would go to like the Kentucky Derby and stuff. He played for, he cared about Kraft and supposedly cared about the fan base who always kind of stood by him and defended him. I think that's the part I didn't understand. We stood by you. You did deflake it. We did. We got railroaded and deflake it. Defending him like that. No athlete ever got defended more vociferously.

30:55I know, but it's not like he got nothing in returns. I like Browns fans stepping up for Deshaun Watson. He gave you six Super Bowls. How dare you do this to us? I know, but he got railroaded. We loved him. Everybody loved Tom Brady. It's like you really have no dog in the race. I think there's probably a deeper element to it with how he left the team. is a theory I've heard from reliable people. Really? Them not giving. I think he wanted like two years, 50 million. Maybe he was thinking he'd get a piece of the team down the road. And I think maybe there's more going on with him in Kraft than I think we know.

31:30I think it's human nature. Maybe he shouldn't have said it out loud, but I feel like, you know, I get that he's a phony. I don't believe that he eats Pizza Hut, just like I don't believe that you drink Pepsi, but whatever. So now this is the one time he's telling the truth. And everyone's like, whoa. It's natural to not want your old team to win, isn't it? You wouldn't root for ESPN. If they had a whole thing about, oh, ESPN's ratings are through the roof in the NBA pregame, whatever, you would not send an edible arrangement. But isn't it different, though, when the team comes with fans and a fan base?

32:05I don't know. Maybe he must feel about this Hall of Fame and everything else. Do you think Kurt Warner with the Rams were in the Super Bowl? Kurt Warner would be like, I don't have a dog in this race. And I'm trying to think of like compare Ben Roethlisberger with the Steelers or like it's kind of the Aaron Rodgers would say. And I think that's what bothered people about this Brady thing. Yeah. Just say, just say, I really love the fans. I had great 20 years there. I would love to see them get another one because I know how much it would mean to them. That's all you have to do. I mean, he's completely tied to the Raiders now is the only thing.

32:35He's tied to another team. he does announcing. He's supposed to be at least impartial on a lot of this. Wow. It feels like there's a little more there. So what 2025 team do you think was the most angry watching this game?

32:52Maybe the Rams, I think. I almost think Puka could have gotten some MVP votes tonight because of what we talked about a couple times. I went with the Texans. What? Yeah. Texans. What are they mad about? Milton Schultz was at a Super Bowl thing and he was getting interviewed by somebody and he was saying, I'm still mad about the playoffs. Like I really felt like we had the best team in the AFC and I just didn't think we played well and it's still, it's always gonna gnaw at me. One of those quotes. And I was like, if I was on the Texans, I would probably feel that way. Like what happened to us in that game?

33:28It was like a way worse version of what happened to Drake May today. But you probably watched the Patriots, And you're like, this is why, you know, like, really? We couldn't have made it in this spot. And I would say the Rams would be the other one. But the Rams legitimately lost to the Seahawks last week. Yeah, I think they'd be mad. Like, they could say, well, we were just in the wrong conference. We were one of the top two teams. I think that's what they could say. Whereas I think, man, I would want to say who's mad. I really think like five or six AFC teams could say they were like. Well, Broncos is my other candidate because they could say, if Bo Nix doesn't get hurt.

34:03you know, at the tail end of a game we were winning anyway, you know. And then I think there's a Bills fans would have a small case too. Like, I don't care how good your defense is, Josh would have figured it out. Drake's not Josh. So maybe those four? Yeah, I mean, throw the Jaguars in there too if you're going to throw Houston. They barely lost. Come on. Well, listen. I don't know. That's it. I'm trying to think nobody else in the NFC, right? Well, wait, I had one more thing. Okay. Because I actually think that game ended up in an okay place. It wasn't good, but it wasn't like a F-plus or an F-minus because the fourth quarter was kind of fun.

34:42But I was trying to think of the worst Super Bowls of the last 50 years, and I was looking at the list, trying to think which one. I think it was still better than Rams-Patriots. Rams-Patriots had on there. The Steelers-Seahawks won in 05 was really bad, had that one. That Broncos-Panthers, the Cam Newton game in 2015. Right, right, right. And then Packers-Staylor was really bad, even though there were points in that game, but that just wasn't... Those were kind of like my four least favorite, but this is definitely up there from an entertainment standpoint. Yeah, I mean, well, Seattle killed Denver.

35:15I know you don't want to acknowledge it, but 43-8, that was just never a game. But that was like an even more dominant defensive performance than the one today. Right. This was dominant, but then also had this weird what the hell's going on with Drake May subplot at the same time, which is pretty unusual. I mean, I guess Tampa, Kansas City. I mean, we just wrote it off that Kansas City's offensive line was done, and that's why Mahomes couldn't score double digits. Oh, last year was bad. Yeah. Yeah. This year was kind of similar to last year. What's that? Yeah. Just like to kind of... Oh, Philly, Kansas City.

35:47One team couldn't block the other team. Right. You're taking this well. I would say you're taking it... Well, I had 20 minutes to recover before we came out. We should have done this in the third quarter. um there was uh did you watch any of the pregame stuff or were you like talking to people a little bit not too much so matthew berry gave his pick um yeah i don't know i didn't say that much um they asked drake may they showed this thing about somebody asked him what the last thing he googled was and he mentioned some some bag this wasn't during super bowl day it was one of the questions was what's the last thing you googled then he actually like looked at his phone.

36:30Some bag? Like some bag that he was looking at for like some travel bag. So my wife said, I wonder what the last thing I Googled was. And she looked and it was best hot dog in Los Angeles. That was fun. That's a lot about my wife. My wife loves hot dogs. Good for her. And then I eventually made her leave. The bad... She got mad that I was getting mad about the game, which is like, we've been together since 1998. You should know what kind of demeanor I'm going to be in as Drake May's ceiling passes all over the place. Did you watch a lot? Was it just you and her or you had a couple of Pat's fans?

37:01Ben was popping in and out. Yeah. I think that's the way to do it with these games, even if it's not your team. Like I'm done with, I went to a party for like a half of it. And I was just like, the questions people were asking, just like, so wait a minute. So you could bet, you don't have to bet the four and a half. Like you could bet a team to win. And like, like people like demanding an explanation of that. And I just like, I feel like a doctor who's dealing with a patient. It's like, okay, you say my rash is this, but I read that it's this. You're just like, oh my God. But I'm more important than a doctor, but you know what I'm saying.

37:34What did you think of the Bad Bunny halftime? Because I thought it was awesome. I thought it was really cool how they produced it. I really thought it was memorable. I don't know what my favorite halftime ever was, but I thought this one was really good. Oh, it wasn't my favorite, but I like that I cashed. I like that it was distinct. Yeah, right. You know what I mean? It was like a video. It's like if that was a video, You're like, oh, they just kind of just paid for Thriller in 13 minutes. But yeah, it was different. And there was some stealth messaging, which was enjoyable. Right. It's as good as anything that's not in English that I don't understand at all is going to hit me with.

38:10My wife asked me what he was singing about because it was all in Spanish. And I said, he's just singing about what the hell is going on with Drake May. Why can't he hit his receivers? That's what he's saying. They should have been in subtitles. That's what it would be. Why can't he connect a pass to anyone? When he comes out with the football and then does like two routines in a row with the football and you like, you know, it's coming. It's going to be like bad bunny rushing yards versus Drake May rushing. It's happened. Super Bowl bets. So Seahawks covered the game went under. Yeah, it was getting creaky there for a second.

38:45And it's been a shame. Pats didn't have quite enough time yet to do the whatever. What were the Walker MVP odds? That was like 50, about six plus six fifty. maybe a little more. So we, we talked when we did this, we talked about, we thought JSN would be the one if it was the non quarterback. Yeah. I got to say that one of the shocking things about the game today, and I thought the Pats defense was good, but they, nobody's running them like that with Milton Williams. Like Walker had, I think a 29 yarder, a 30 yarder, like an 11 yarder and a 10 yarder. Like it was, that just didn't happen all season.

39:18So I thought he was really good. He did it. He kind of did it last week too, though, when he would, You looked like you had him bottled up, and then he would just take it around the edge, and he would beat this guy to the edge and be a nine - or ten-yard run. And then he does the Le 'Veon Bell thing where he stalls in the hole. He's got a few moves. He was really good. Yeah, he was really good. I thought still it was going to go to Darnold until the last couple of drives there. I looked at historically, Eli and Peyton had games where they only threw for one touchdown. Their yardage was pedestrian.

39:55They still won. Joe Namath had no touchdowns, won the MVP. I was like, that's all you kind of need from the quarterback, Darnold. But Walker definitely deserved it, all said and done. I thought the over-under for him was 72 and a half. That was one of the props that I liked. I liked the under. So I was like, they're going to shut him down and make Darnold beat him. And I guess they mostly shut him down, except for he broke a couple. But he was great. The one thing with him, because I looked this up. during the course of two weeks, like, I don't think he had had more than 19 carries all season.

40:28And in general, it was basically like a 15 to 19 carry guy because they always had the Charbonnet piece. And he had 27 in the game today, plus a couple catches. He had a drop or he got hit, but it was a way bigger workload. National Anthem, he went under. Under by like six seconds, which moved like three or four seconds. You could feel it early. Like, he definitely was going with pace. It was interesting. The line dropped by like a second and a half as it was going along during the week, which is usually a red flag. My biggest bet, whatever, my biggest bet. I have to lose like$500 before kickoff.

41:06Otherwise, so I lost with heads, I had tails. But to hold the note brave, I had over three and a half seconds, that hit. And they did something, the director did something I've never seen before. They usually cut right to the fighter jets. And so you don't even know when officially the song ends because you can't hear. They somehow got him ending Brave and the fighter jets in the same shot. I was like, wow, we're living in a really cool time now. So that guy definitely had the over. Yeah. He wanted to make sure his bookies saw it. Coin toss was tails. No. Heads, right? I'm sorry. Coin toss was heads.

41:41Yeah. You had tails. I know. I put tails in the same game parlay. Stupid. Kind of ruins it. first score was the Myers field goal, but first TD was Barner. There you go. And then all the cup overs hit. So Cup and Hollins were the ones that, everything, if you bet JSN, everything lost. Under, right. Ramondre had a TD, so if you had one, that one hit. And then the Seattle defensive or special teams touchdown, which I think was like plus 850, that ended up hitting. Yeah, that was good. Wait, what was your boys rushing yards? That was like the most bet prop. That and Walker receiving yards. Walker over 20 and a half receiving, I think was the most bad prop.

42:21But May rushing yards. He had 37. May had 37. No, I think that was over. Was it? We're going to get crushed for this. Stevenson was under. Stevenson was seven for 23. But then Stevenson had five catches. Walker was under on his thing. And then all the punts in Seattle field goal props, hit. Oh, yeah. There was a Seahawks one. It was where you could bet seven points. The kicker had seven points. Kicker would have 10 points. Right. You could go up to 13. And the odds started getting pretty pricey in those. And then if you had Byron Murphy with two sacks, that had to have been like, that was probably like 25 to one or something.

43:06Yeah. We gave out some good winners last week. We did. I like Pat's over nine and a half second half. More points in the second half than the first. I lost with that. Bad Bunny, no headgear to come out. I like that. The Anthem under we gave out. Brave over three and a half seconds. Ramondre first quarter, 10 plus yards. That one hit. Yeah, that one. You know what didn't hit was Pats plus four and a half loss. That was very close. Loser. Cardi B cutaways under, I think. Right? Did we see her once? Under one and a half. I don't think so. And the Gatorade was yellow, lime, green. which opened the plus 250, went to plus 135.

43:49Yeah, you got that right. It fits with the Seahawks, correct? I got that wrong. The Jersey's correct. Yeah, that was nice. Did Zane Lowe have a prop? Because they showed Zane Lowe at one point. Who's that? Your NBA guy? No, my friend from Apple Music. Oh, exactly. Yeah, which that would have been a good bet because it was the Apple halftime show. Oh, right. Yeah, they showed Zane Lowe with Bieber. Just looking cool. That's Zane Lowe. What a guy. What else hit? I'm thinking my under one and a half yard line touchdown there was bad. My quarterback MVP was bad. Did we ever have a, we never had anybody inside like the five?

44:23No, it wasn't really close. Yeah. We never got that pass interference in the end zone. I thought we were going to get it on the pats in the second half. Seahawks five plus sacks was plus 450. We mentioned that. And Willow team scored three times in a row just seems like, so we, like you would add that by the second quarter. That's a wrap. Wow, plus$450, good price on that Yeah No scoregami No Brady Russell Brady Russell First of all, he was one of the captains He was one of the six captains to come out I was like, oh my god They must really like him Maybe there's paperwork the captain has to do Does he have to sign something?

45:01I don't know why they would have him He made a tackle on the kick return, but that was it Somebody sent me, Eric in Bellingham Sent me this long email about how the Patriots had won Super Bowls on the first, third twice, fifth, sixth, and the first twice, and then the seventh. It would have been the seventh that they won in the first week of February, wondering if that should now be declared Patriot Nation Week in New England if they won their seventh in February. And we'll never find out because they lost. Yeah. And next year it's on Valentine's Day. Yeah, what happened with that? Why is it so late next year?

45:40I don't know why it got moved up. The talk was that that wouldn't happen until they added an 18th game, which is going to happen soon. So the Sunday must be February 8th next year?

45:52No, Valentine's Day is the 7th and the 14th, both Sundays, and then President's Day is the day after? Is that what it is? Why'd they do that? I don't know. Odds for next year.

46:07Seahawks plus 750 are our favorites. Rams 8-1. This is on FanDuel. Ravens 12-1. I'll book that bet. Bills 12-1. Packers 13. Chargers 15. Eagles 15. Lions 16. Chiefs 16. Patriots 17-1. You're insulted by that. You're insulted. No, it's the Super Bowl curse is a real thing now. Really? Yeah, it's not great. I thought you would sever all affiliation to FanDuel because they put you 10th. Broncos, Jags, and Texans are all 20-1. Bears are 27. And then if we go to some of the longer shots, Falcons 50-1 jumped out to me, the new coach. Giants 75-1, if you feel like they could be next year's out-of-nowhere team.

47:01And then it gets a little crazy. I thought Panthers seem high to me. 150 to one for the Panthers. They kind of hung with the Rams in the playoffs. Yeah, you're right. That seems high. That's bad. That is weird. Your team's 30 to one. That's bad, too. If you had another zero, I'd probably start thinking about it. How about the Raiders are even in the bottom seven? No. Oh, yeah. They're 125 to one. Well, they have the recipe, right? Clint Kubiak coming off the Super Bowl. Yeah. Mendoza is the QB. Trade Max Crosby for picks. improve offensive line. They have a bunch of money to spend. The difference in the Pats situation and some other ones in the past was they're going to have a bunch of cap space and they have the youngest team in the league.

47:44Their quarterback's going to be 24 next year. If they spend money, I find it hard to believe they're going to be not a playoff team. They have a first-place schedule too. First-place schedule's hard. And also, God only knows what happened to Drake May. God only knows. I knew. I knew it. I call, I try to warn you. It's like, this guy sucks. He shouldn't even be in the league. No. Completed 73 % of his passes. Yeah. Just went out the window. What else do we have to cover? What do we have? Let's see.

48:19Because we can go to parent corner because I have a doozy this week. Oh, yeah. You said you had a good one. You know, just in general, I'm going to say, I think there's too much time now between the conference game in the Super Bowl. And I know you can't make it 10 days. You're not going to make the Super Bowl on Wednesday, but it deserves more than a week. But in this day and age, with just getting social media just bombarding you, every angle, every trend, every prop is debated through exhaustion by the first Monday, the second Monday or whatever. I mean, your team's in the Super Bowl and you still found 29 hours to dissect the Hawks' jazz trade involving the fourth best ball brother.

49:00I know. The NBA counter program with the trade deadline left to two podcasts. Yeah, that should be next week. Shouldn't that? Well, you know what's going to happen? When it goes to an 18-game schedule, they're going to get rid of that week between the games. So we'll go right from the Super Bowl and we'll be at the location by Tuesday and we'll be ready to go. Because it just ends up, you know, you get some domestic violence cases in there and you get like a terrible Pro Bowl with even worse ratings. It just ends up being negative stuff for the league. Media Day is kind of stupid too now. Yeah, Media Day was on a Monday.

49:35Yeah, and they did the NFL Honors thing. Right. Which I don't know. I didn't watch the news. Nobody can pronounce the winners' names. Did the, yeah, it does feel like, it felt like forever since the championships thing. So we used to do this where it would go right to the next thing. Because I remember that Super Bowl 36, I think the next, no, maybe that was 9-11 related. Was that why it got delayed? There was a few times when they had to move it back. It was one week for a little bit. The Pats won in Pittsburgh, and we were in New Orleans right afterwards, ready to roll. All right. That's it, man.

50:13I'm sorry. I think that's... Let's do Parent Corner. Go ahead. It's a lot to look forward to. Let's go. Let's just do it. All right. I got a couple. First of all, my middle guy, Jack Romo, turned 18. And we're driving to dinner. It's me, him, and my father. Melissa and the other kids was in the other car. We had to take two cars. So he's with me and my 85-year-old father. And we're talking about the game. And for some reason, he calls them the Patriots. He's always called them the Patriots. It's very weird. It's not a New York accent. It's not a New York thing. He's like, yeah, the Patriots, they have a bunch of criminals.

50:46And I'm like, oh, here we go. Like, I want to agree with him for your purposes, but not this. So he's like, who's the one, you know, they moved the trial. I'm like, whatever. I'm like, Stefan Diggs. He's like, he says, Jiggs? Jigs? I was like, no, Digs. He's like, no, no, no, no. It's not Jigs. I was like, yeah, no, I didn't say Jigs. Jigs. He's like, no, no, it's not Jigs. It's someone else. I'm like, I'm not saying Jigs. It would end up being like the worst, most infuriating round of who's on first. I look back at Jack. I was like, I know it's your birthday, but I think we'd all benefit if I just drove us into a ditch right now.

51:20But I didn't. So whether it's Jigs or Digs, We've got to look into that. But the only other thing I'll say is no more picture day for sports. I might have even used it as a parent corner topic 10 years ago, but now I really mean it. It's not that important to get these kids in uniforms, Harrison's basketball team, and drive them to wait in line with other teams when this could easily be done right before a game. It's obviously a money grab. We have digital photos and cameras, and we could do this right away. We all have nice high-tech cameras on our phones. to take a picture, you send it out. Grandma and grandpa either don't need the wallet photos anymore because they don't have wallets or they're at the games taking pictures or they're dead.

52:03I don't know what it is, but we don't need it. It's a waste of time and money. He didn't even have a game that day. So it was pointless. A costume party. Oh, I hate when they do that. That is an official money grab. Yeah, it's its own day. It's not even in the thing. It's like Jackson R is here, but Jackson W isn't, but we could Photoshop him in. I was like, well, as soon as you're talking about Photoshopping, this is pointless. So let's stop. You know what we can do before the first game? Just put all the kids next to each other in front of something and take a picture and that's a team picture.

52:34No one's sweating. It's good. It's some fancy photographer. Thank you. All right. I'm excited. It's all a giant money grab. There you go. Went to see my mom last week and I was with my wife and my mom, of course, there was some wine and some cheese, which I was not having because I think I had a podcast later. But they were. And my mom said, you know those cars that have the breathalyzers when you get in the car to make sure you haven't drank too much? I'm like, oh boy, here we go. Okay, yeah, we know those cars. She's like, do they have those for computers? And we're like, what do you mean? And she's like, well, you know, at night, sometimes if, if, you know, if I've had some wine, like I've noticed I've made some orders that maybe I, you know, I probably the next day would regret.

53:32And we were like, like what? And she said, well, one night I was up and I bought a, her and Carrie do French sometimes. Like they talk, my wife and her, they talk French. So she was like, I'm going to buy some French. They barely know how to talk French. She's like, I was going to buy some French flashcards so we could have fun. And what came was this deck of cards that was in French and it was like$50. Right. She thought she bought one thing and it was another thing. So I was like, all right, yeah, yeah, maybe, you know, maybe mark it down. And then she's like, well, there was another one that I don't really remember.

54:04I don't really remember doing this, but it showed up and I didn't know what it was. Oh no. And. Patriots DVD. They're drink sticks with my face on it. Wait, tilt it a little more. Hold on.

54:23drink sticks with my face on it that for some reason she decided to make i'm going to open these now take it out of the bag she made them oh she had them yeah she made them she photoshopped my picture and there's just multiple things of drink sticks with my face on it that came in the mail and she didn't totally remember doing it and that was why she was asking if maybe there should be a breathalyzer for her computer. So of course I took the drink sticks and now we have drink sticks of my face that are just the most insane things I've ever seen. I don't know. I don't even know what the process was that led to her thinking this was the thing anyone would want.

55:10Well, see, it's good. You take the good with the bad. You lost the Superbowl, but you got this. This is nice. You got drink. This is picture day I can get behind. This is nice. We all had our drink sticks. We got together. So we lost the Super Bowl. I kind of like this angle more. But yeah, it's both sided too. So in case it's not just facing one side, it's facing the other side too. How much did she spend? Unclear, but it might've, it seems like it wasn't, I mean, there's two bags of them. Yeah. You got to give some of those away. Have a trivia contest. Should I put them on eBay? Give one to the best.

55:45Bessimus face drink sticks. put best Boston sports host take most over the top. You'll give them a Bill Simmons drink stick. Well, so questions that remain are, how did she make this and where did it come from? Right. And do they have breathalyzers for computers? We talked about that, right? Like when you put your passcode in and you just have to blow in to make sure then it, then it, cause my son is doing this thing. Yeah. He put this app called Brain Rot on his computer. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sorry, his iPad and his phone. And it monitors, and it's been great for him. He's like, this has been so good for me.

56:26I'm never on TikTok anymore. I set my settings. It doesn't let me go. It's good. So we do have stuff. Yeah, I think it would have to be a separate app. I don't think Amazon gives a crap if you're comatose when you're making a purchase. Amazon's probably trying to encourage my mother. Yeah, they're probably giving her extra points. Drink up, lady. We got a lot of stuff for you. Yeah. So next time you come over and we have drinks, I'm going to give you a Bill Simmons drink stick. I might jump in the car right after you sign off. That's great. I should put like three on eBay and see if I can get like$20.

57:02Maybe make the money back. I think you will. Yeah, give it to charity. Yeah, I mean, we talked about that with FanDuel, like people making stupid bets late at night. You made a lot of Patriots. You were in Boston. You made a lot of Patriots. Oh, yeah. I had too much of a nest egg from Rabel winning coach of the year and stuff. So I ended up doing a lot of Super Bowl. I did do, the one bet I was excited about was Hornets playing with Hornets to make the playoffs. You could parlay those together. You can? Really? Yeah. And it was plus 164. So that was like my biggest one. Yeah. And now that's down.

57:37That went down a bunch. because basically they're going to make the playoffs. They're probably going to do it as a 7 or 8 seed, so they would have to win the 7-8 game. So I thought that was a really... We were going to do some props last week, but our cousin Jimmy went along with the Billy's penis stories. He shook his head. I like the Hornets to make the playoffs went way down. It was like plus 180, now it's a minus. I like the Piston 60-plus wins, and that's still almost 3-1. Let me look what it is now. It was 3-1. It was 3-1 when I was going to do this last week. And now it's... Plus 230. It's still plus 230.

58:22They have to play like 650 ball. I think they have six games left or five games left against the Nets and Wizards. They're damn good. Wow. One of the other ones I did.

59:02One of the other ones I did was Nuggets, Celtics, and Cavs all to win 50-plus games. That was basically even. And then did the Dark Horse Charlotte division bet with San Antonio and the Celtics, which was like 15-1. But the one I really went in on was that Charlotte bet. Because I think, as I've been saying for multiple weeks now, I think Charlotte's legitimately good. Like, I don't think it's a fluke. I think they're a legitimately good East team. Not like a contender, but they're an above 500 team now. And they're over under. Yeah. What? Well, no, during this nine-game win streak, they didn't have anyone over 28 years old touch the ball or score or something.

59:42Yeah. It's kind of phenomenal what they're doing. But are they still four games under.500? Like, how are they still? I feel like they've been winning forever. I think they're two under now. Are they? Their regular season win total now is... Is it over? Yeah, 42 and a half now. You know one thing I noticed? They're 25 and 28. I can't believe they're not at.500 yet. I know they've been winning for three straight weeks. One thing I noticed, I do think they traded that line because I went to Celtics heat on Friday night and the Celtics came back from 22. But losing Simons was meaningful to them because they always had two competent guards out at all times.

1:00:18And then all of a sudden, now he's gone. They're trying to figure out Vucevic, how to work him in. And it just, it kind of threw off the team a little bit. Miami kind of sucked in the second half. They came back and won. And the Celtics looked terrible against the Knicks tonight or today and got killed by them. But I do think we, that week after the trade deadline, I think we kind of forget that that does fuck up good teams sometimes. It just tilts the balance and you got to figure out how to work the new guy in while making up for what happened. Whereas like I thought Alvarado for the Knicks, like he fit in right away because he's a bench guy.

1:00:52Yeah, and there's also when the Cavs, I think the Cavs played the Clippers the day after they made that trade, right? The hard trade. It's like, oh, shit. Well, Harden's not going to play. Clippers don't have. We know. All right. This is not a plan. It's like, oh, it didn't matter. The Clippers, okay, they're just going to get killed anyway. Right. Well, then the Clippers somehow beat Minnesota today. Yeah. Well, don't say somehow. It's because we bet Minnesota. Well, we bet those. They know. We put some futures on Minnesota, but that's another example. They brought in the new guy, the Somnou, and looked like crap.

1:01:24So, anyway. Yeah, out of the NBA stuff, because this is really all we have at this point, But Charlotte was the one that jumped out to me. And then trying to figure out who's not going to be one of the 10 East playoff teams feels like there's some opportunity there too. Well, the Bulls, yeah. I mean, it typically was the same. Wasn't it Heat, Hawks, Bulls? They must have made four of the last five plans. Yeah. Those three. So I don't know. Maybe the Bulls are on the outs. The Bucs really screwed everything up for us. The Bulls are the 11 now, and Milwaukee is also the 11. Milwaukee did the Cam Thomas Hail Mary signing today.

1:02:00So that was, that was where. You love it. You're fine. You're good with this. You could just move on. You, you know, you get to travel. You interview elderly sports icons. Oh, you have Johnny Pesky at Colgate University next week. You're going to be fine. Well, so we went, so I went to Jack O 'House. We went to Celtics Friday. We drive to Holy Cross where I went to college. Three of us went. We drive on Saturday. It's a blizzard. And Jack goes in a truck. Kudos to him for having stick shit, by the way. So I was really proud of him. We're in a truck on the Mass Pike. It's barely paved. We're like, oh God.

1:02:34Get to Holy Cross. It's freezing. There's wind because there's always wind because it's on a hill. The wind's like whipping the snow in our faces. And we're like, we're back, baby. Holy Cross. This is, you know, you did this too because you were in college in upstate New York. Like you're in there for December, January, February. It's awful. The no snow days. Yeah. And then like April, there's spring weekend. And you're like, this is great. But it's like two weeks. Three months you're there where it's terrible. But it was great to be back. It was great to see everybody. And it was just, House and I are walking down from the game after.

1:03:14Because we used to do this walk when we played basketball all the time. We're walking down and it's like 30 degree winds. We're almost falling. The snow's hitting us. And we're like, this is how many times did we make this walk? Like a hundred? But, uh, did anything else surprise you? The energy? Was it the same as you, like you remember when you were in college or? Well, they have new, like they, there were two new buildings. That was, there's this huge performance center now where there was a parking lot. And so stuff like that, like, oh my God, the school, Holy Cross is probably 500 people bigger than it was when we were there.

1:03:45But yeah, you notice like the new stuff, like they always add, there's like a new dorm or a new building. You're like, yeah, wow, there's two new buildings. Like, yeah, thanks, Mr. Simmons. You paid for that. I did? I don't even remember that. Well, we weren't thinking like, like these kids, like compared to some of the stuff we had, like they have this awesome campus center, you know, there's a pub and there's like a coffee place where they make like lattes. We're like, oh my God, we would have loved that. Yeah. But you know, we're in the late 80s, early 90s. It was a million years ago. We're never getting it.

1:04:17Yeah. We met Jalen Coker. He sat with us, the Carolina guy. Oh yeah. Nice. Yeah. He was still mad about the Rams loss. He felt like they could have beaten them. See? Felt like they were like right there. But he's right. We felt that way too. Right. So maybe that's the team. What else do we got? That's it. That's it. This is your saddest day of the season. Although it's not that sad this time because Jake May. Yeah, I know. It helped out. I won some money. You know, you and Hedge made this a nice win for me. But listen, we've got the Ringer Gambling Show. That's not going away. Spotify, YouTube, Vandal Sports Network.

1:04:51You know, I'll be posting. down probably to Monday. You're going to be on Ringer Gambling on Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Monday, Wednesday, Friday. During the off football season. Yeah. Lots to talk about. We got it. Baseball's coming. Well, we got March Madness coming. There's golf. It's starting to heat up. Yeah. NBA, obviously. Women's College. You throw yourself into that. Right. Yeah. There's some... What's the next tennis tournament you'll probably go first into? I don't know what's next. Yeah, we'll get... I mean, I lost... The French at some point? I lost with Matsuyama. We're going to have some fun.

1:05:22I'm going to post pictures of breasts online. You know, it will do it all. Hockey. You'll do some hockey. Oh, we have Olympics. Yeah. That was one of the bets I lost. One of my FanDuel bets when I was in Boston. I lost... What'd you bet? Patriots with the USA women's hockey team to win the gold. The Pat's money line with that was four to one. I'm like, I'm in. It's the all Patriot parlay. Patriots didn't hold up there. end. But I'm definitely betting to hockey. It doesn't make sense to do the futures because it's going to be USA versus Canada probably in both games. So you just wait till the final game.

1:06:01Well, I mean, of course I did something stupid with Canada and US to win their groups. And it's not flattering odds at all. It's like minus 240. But I did it for a while here. For a lot. Oh my god. I was watching the skiing on the plane back yesterday. and they have these, I mean, no surprise, but they have these awesome drone cameras now that go with the skier. I was like riveted. I thought it was awesome. Compared to what we grew up with when we were watching the Winter Olympics in 1976 and Square TV and you could barely see anything. But it was really cool to watch. And that was a bummer to wake up to the Lindsey Vonn news.

1:06:42We talked about it a lot on the Ringer Gambling Show and they're like, well, it's a torn ACL house. It's like, you could still, I was like, well, you could still what? You could 85 miles an hour downhill. It's like, yeah, but the damage is done. I was like, I got to see this. This is crazy. And then unfortunately it has nothing to do with her leg. Yeah. It's just some kind of like the pole hit the butt, whatever. So, I mean, maybe. That's probably had something. Yeah. Maybe she's thinking of other things and stuff, but, but suck. That's an incredible feat either way. I like the winter Olympics.

1:07:11Yeah. So we'll have that. All right. We're good. We're going to be all right. All right. Well, you'll come on at some point this spring, right? We'll talk about something. Let's do it. March Madness. Let's go on. I don't know. I didn't like how happy you were tonight, but I'll forgive you. I had to do it. I know. I got called out by a lot of people. I got called out. Like, you have to step up for America. I don't know if I did the job, but. Well, he's still not maybe, but there is now a regular season versus playoffs thing. Like, he turns into Drake maybe in the playoffs. Like, that door is open for all that stuff now.

1:07:45That's fine. Give him an MVP every year if this is how he's going to behave in the postseason. I like it. I really like the Seattle fans. So if we were going to get our ass kicked by a team, that would probably have been one of my number one picks. Yeah. There's a lot worse teams that this could have happened to. No doubt. No doubt. Alright. Hey, thanks to Pepsi for sponsoring our live show here.

1:08:10Stop. Just roll through it. I mean, you know, go ahead. Thank you, Pepsi. And also I wanted to mention, Wednesday night, I'm doing a live show at the Wiltern in Los Angeles. But just for the people who are going to this, make sure you know the movie Heat is all I'm going to say. Heat's going to be prominently involved with the Wednesday night pod. But we have, and then we have new rewatchables coming tomorrow, which is going to be Ace Ventura. So that's all I have going. Thanks to Gahau. Thanks to Eduardo. Thanks to Jack Wilson. because we did it. Next year will be our 20th year of Guest Alliance.

1:08:47That's ridiculous. I think we have to do something special for this. What do you mean? Like Guest Alliance 20. I feel like we at least need a graphic or something. Well, Ringer 107 didn't work great. I feel like when we attach numbers to it, we're going back and we're going, you know what I was thinking with Ringer 107 though? I think we have to move the picks closer to Sunday. Maybe you do one pick on your shows during the week, but then Sunday, I'd like to time it a little closer so there'd actually be better picks. Don't you think? Because I feel like we do a little better as we get closer to the actual games than we do trying to guess at 72 hours before the game.

1:09:22During the pregame show, our bets are better because it's like right on the spot. Well, the thing we always talk about is you really have a sense for what's too sexy of a pick. Yes. And you don't have that sense on a Wednesday or a Thursday. But by Sunday, you're like, that team is now a stay away. Everybody loves them. Yep. But everybody loved the Seahawks. I was going to say that. Other than Drake, everybody, everybody loved Seattle. I asked a source at FanDuel what would be the ultimate result for them. And they said it would be Seahawks by three. It's the dream scenario. Yeah. And then everything else was whatever.

1:09:57But I think they probably... Vrabel wanted no part of that. He could have cut it to 16, but no. It wasn't happening. All right, Cus. Great job by you this season. Good job by you overall. and the special last one. Good job by you. Good job by you, buddy. Bye everybody on Netflix.

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