Who You Are Now: Midlife Reinvention & Movement as Medicine with Olympic Coach Randi Strong

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0:26Randi Strong:Based on 2025 Consumer Choice Awards from Kelley Blue Book, visit kbb.com for more information. Are we going to get to five rotations? Are we going to get to six rotations? I don't know. Like the amount of rotations, there is a ceiling, right? So then what is going to be the differentiator? What's going to make you stand out? And you can take this to life in general. Like, how are you going to stand out? If you're all doing the same thing, what is it that's going to give you that edge? Hi, everyone. My name is Haley. And this is Laura. And welcome to The Body Pod. Randy, my beautiful, hilarious, dear friend, thank you for being on the BodyPod.

1:06Of course. Hi, I'm so excited to be here. I'm so excited too. And because Haley does not know you the way I know you, and for all of the listeners, will you take us back to the beginning and tell us how you got in to dance and performing? me yeah we want the skinny yeah I'll tell you all the things I'll tell you all the things anything you want to know the good the bad and you know all of it um I'll tell you the you know kind of kind of big picture story I started dance in Utah when I was very young three or four years old I knew very young like 11 12 that I this is what I wanted to do I knew at a very young age I was like dance is going to take me places and and I was so excited about that my entire junior high high school life was just dedicated to training and dance I then went on to I had some amazing jobs I danced at Radio City my first job was on a cruise ship you know I feel like everyone has to do that once in their life you know 18 years old on a cruise ship and then yeah I ended up on So You Think You Can Dance in 2009, so season five.

2:23And that really helped kick my professional career off. I was living in LA and that really helped build my resume and get my name out there. So from there, you know, I was a professional dancer living in LA. And ultimately, I started a production company in 2012 because I wanted to I wanted to produce entertainment. I wanted to stay in the dance and entertainment space even though I was you know getting older hips were not working like me like they did when I was 20 you know um and so I ended up getting into choreography and producing entertainment and the corporate world which when I tell you I mean we can get into this later but when Google and I started this company because I didn't know anything I didn't know any business I was just like what what are what are we doing what's a w-2 for you know like how how are we doing this so yeah so that was kind of one avenue so so production was taking on a life of its own and I was doing all these big corporate shows and I loved it it was hiring my friends and you know super fun so kind of around this you know I don't know late 20s I end up not even late 20s honestly in my 30s let's be honest I was in my 30s I do this job.

3:44I get hired to do this dance job in Tokyo. And in this show are a bunch of these ice skaters. Now, I was like, okay, cool. Ice skating. I mean, it's not like I followed figure skating. You know, I was a dancer. And they were like, hey, do you like, you know, you're really helping us with our off ice, like dance and movement. Would you want to work with other ice skaters. And I was like, yeah, sure. Absolutely. Yes. Where, when, how, you know? And this ended up taking on a life of its own. I started working with all these Olympic ice skaters. I was doing dance and movement coaching for them. I started doing choreography for them.

4:25And here we are, you know, it was a side hustle that I was like, I'll do anything for$20, you know because of um and i yeah so i started doing it and it has taken on a life of its own and now you know here we are working with working with ice skaters and i have an online studio that you know that teaches them all all the things they need to know for off ice and you're fresh freshly home from the olympics oh my goodness did you watch did you watch the olympics yes yes I did not I have to fess up I did not but but I want to know because I'm sure there's lots of stories so this was your first Olympics my very first Olympics and when I tell you like you know dance isn't in the Olympics right yeah so going to the Olympics that wasn't even like in the year it's not like like I wasn't like one day I'm gonna make it to the Olympics you know um and so here I am with this opportunity to go and because I had several people that had my choreography in you know in the Olympics including Ilya Malin's show program the gala program I worked on with him and so I was just stoked to be there and it was this it was almost this culmination of of all of these things that you've been working towards your entire life and you didn't know like how it was going to come together and then all of a sudden they had this moment I was on the plane like on the way there and tears just started rolling down my face because I was like you realize oh my god I have been working my entire life for this moment even though I didn't even realize that that was you know that was going to happen and so yeah it was just the most incredible experience it was you know I was in Milan like most gorgeous city and yeah epic epic experience for sure okay I want to take you back I want to rewind a little bit so you're on so you think you can dance do you win or do they just like take a certain number of people like how did you get noticed from that I will tell you it took me it took me three years to get on this show three years the first year I didn't even make it past the producer cut the second year I make it to Vegas and I get cut in the most humiliated I was just humiliated when I got cut honestly um Mia Michaels was the one who cut me she's a pretty famous choreographer and I was like so humiliated right now um and you know I wasn't gonna go back a third time and I was just like I have to do this I have to do it I know I can do it I know I I know I can be on this show and so I went back for the third time and I made it and I end up making it all the way to the top five girls of that season followed by an international tour like 40s something seasons of an international tour it was so fun and so yeah top five girls were you famous for like the what what did they call it like the butt dance or something what was it yes it was called butt dance it was literally and and the whole number was about my butt i am not joking like that was what it was about and i had to wear so me and i'll watch it i know it was like the i mean at the time i was just like what is happening you know and then looking back i'm like oh my gosh it's kind of iconic in the best way not not that i made it iconic but just as a police yeah um but i i remember so mia michael's choreographs said she ended up winning an emmy that season for her choreography on uh uh that season of so you think she wins an emmy and I had to wear these fake red bottom shoes I mean they were like this tall seriously the most ridiculous shoes and she goes okay so you're gonna walk out and start in these mind you I am like this you know little meek 22 year old streak from Utah and I was like what what what is that you know I put it on I when I looked so ridiculous walking across the stage like this you know and I'm like oh my god I've got 48 hours to like pull this together so it ended up yeah ended up being good like the best thing that really like catapulted you to an really another place as far as your career yeah yeah your name you know I'm gonna totally like be really naive because I don't know that much about dance I mean I was a cheerleader I did like dance, but I look at Utah dance now.

9:31And when I have friends that live there and their kids are in dance, it's like all consuming and really expensive. That wasn't the kind of dance that, that I was doing. Um, mine was much more chill when you were thinking, I want to do this. Were you thinking I would dance like on a cruise ship or were you thinking I'm going to have my own dance studio yeah what did that look like backup dancer yeah yeah of course so you know what's so funny I so I my parents sat me down when I was like 10 or 11 you know and they were like okay if you want to do this we will commit with you to do that like to be just know that like on the days that you don't want to go too bad you're going that you're going like if we're doing it, you're doing it, you know?

10:21And so I was so committed. And the funny thing is, is that I was like, I want to grow up and be a professional dancer. Well, to answer your question, I didn't even know what that meant. Like the first thing I did, I moved to New York city right after high school. Cause I was like, I'm going to go be a professional doing what, what does that even mean? But I didn't even know. I had no idea. I was so naive. I was just like, I, I just wanted to be a professional dancer you know because i was like oh how cool like i love this and i can get paid to do it now also at the same time like britney spears was so hot i was like whatever it takes to be britney yeah yeah i can't sing i cannot sing i can just um that was yeah it became this like i have to be a professional dancer now i quickly found out you know because i went to new york city first that you have to be able to sing to like be successful in New York I don't know why I didn't know that prior to right um so kind of the biggest job that I did out in New York was Radio City and that was a massive goal of mine I wanted to be in the Christmas show I did it you were in the Christmas show I love it I love this about you yeah I was okay so this is incredible 2005 is when I did it.

11:41And, you know, the show changes like every so often. But during my season, they had these big bears, like the big, I mean, the costumes are massive. And I was the center bear in pink pointe shoes, pointe shoes in a bear costume. Okay, it was, it was the hardest and most awesome job I've ever done, you know, because we're doing a gazillion shows a week. um i quickly found out that the west coast was the place for me it was much more of a commercial dancer and that's where you go and get booked for like what you're saying like music videos backup dancing um commercials tv all that kind of stuff but again to your point like so you think helped like put me on the map so that i was getting in these auditions and then it'd be like oh you oh okay oh we know you we've we've seen you and um it's almost like you get this extra little like pass yeah it gives you this credibility of you made it on there so I mean we know she can move at least yeah exactly yeah exactly now the show was taken on a completely different life form you know since I was on it um but forever grateful that it was on my resume this is on my resume can't take it no one no one's taking it from me so you've really it kind of morphed from you being a dancer into you being a choreographer?

13:08Had you always choreographed? Or is that a talent that you realized later on that you were just really good at? I started choreographing when I was pretty young, like when I was still at the studio training, because I was choreographing, like, you know, young kids solos and stuff like for money. I go I was, you know, it's like a side job you know what's funny though now I don't like in the corporate space in live entertainment space I'm not the choreographer I'm the producer and I prefer it that way I prefer it that way now as far as my space within ice skating yes I'm the choreographer and also it's it's heavily it's heavily based around movement quality so I wouldn't say it's like dance choreography it's it's movement and presentation and texture and pictures and things like that so it's a different it's different it's different than like dance choreography so do ice skaters generally have a choreo like a dance choreographer and then obviously an ice skating yeah like a coach but also someone that understands the choreography on the skates no does that make sense yeah yeah it makes sense it makes sense okay so i'll tell you i there's there's different disciplines within ice skating so you've got singles like men and women singles and then you've got pairs which is the you know the big throws and the the big lifts and stuff like that and then you have ice dancers so ice dancers have a different set of requirements and elements that they do now what was so interesting to me when I first started working with them they didn't dance off the ice they're not training dance off ice and I was like well then what are you what do you mean you're an ice dancer but you can't dance like you're not dancing right and so So I don't think, no, no, they don't have, I mean, now it's kind of turning into this.

15:19I will say, I think that I really created my own position, my own space. There are not a lot of people who do what I do. And I think that that, you know, I'm really proud of that. It's something that I, I had to really form myself. I was like, okay, I have this skill set. I have the opportunity. I'm in front of these people. How can I bring value to what they're already doing? Even though I can't skate, I don't know how to skate. I can understand it, but I don't skate. So it was really an interesting position that I created as a professional dancer coming into the space. And once I started working with ice dancers, then the coaches were like, oh, well, can you work with like my single skaters now and so that's how I started working with like Alyssa and Aaliyah Amber like all these single skaters so it really kind of became this create your own path like create the position because it didn't exist it really is and Alyssa's the one that just won the gold yes Alyssa's killing it she's yeah so she's the single woman skater that she has the striped hair they don't consider and consider themselves skaters they they don't mean they don't answer sorry dancers yeah which i never even thought about that that is really interesting but i saw this interview with you and you were talking about like how you help them like finish the moves and the eye contact and really like, pronunciate their moves almost.

17:03I don't know how else to say it. So here's, here's what's interesting. If you watched a performance, a lot of times you're not going to understand why you love it. You're just gonna, you're just gonna feel it. You're just gonna be like, Oh my god, that was amazing. If you break it down to okay, why was that amazing? is because they have eye contact. They have presentation. They know how to emote. They're finishing lines. They're giving great musicality. They're, you know, that's all these little nuanced things that you don't even realize that they're doing. You as an audience member are just feeling it.

17:40You're just like, oh my God, it's so good. So that's my job. That's what I felt. Get there. Yeah, that's what I felt when I watched your YouTube, like intro video or something. yeah I mean I can't tell you what you really did I mean you did some cool moves and stuff but it was just like this grace and flow so that's what you're trying to bring yeah like an actress has to be like on screen and win over their their crowd it's it can it can literally be as simple as and this is what I I explained in a in another interview that I did it can literally be like well I'll do it to you and anybody listening can try it okay bring your shoulders up to your ears and then put your shoulders back and then put your shoulders down and then like how much better do you feel like you just feel like you have like this presentation and and so it becomes this these little these tiny details that you're like okay now now drop your chin and stare over there to the right.

18:48Right. It can it can be like little things like that. And then on the eyes and the performance, you're like, Oh, oh, my God, that was so good. Why was it so good? So it's kind of like acting too. I mean, like, a little bit of an acting coach. I mean, you have to play that role as well. Yeah, yeah. So like nonverbal communication. Well, here's what here's what I always say at some point we're going to stop are we going to get to five rotations are we going to get to six rotations I don't know like the amount of rotations there is a ceiling right so then what is going to be the differentiator what's going to make you stand out and you can take this to to life in general like how are you going to stand out if you're all doing the same thing what is it that's going to give you that edge and I believe that that is the performance I believe that that's where the artistry comes in because you you you're all doing the same steps you're all doing the same footwork you're all doing the same element so at some point you're gonna have to say like okay what's gonna make me stand out and I think it's so it's artistry I do too and I'm a newbie to all of this but I'm flabbergasted that there is that these people are not dancers clearly they can move on skates so have you ever had to interact with someone that can move on skates but they do not have body like it they're just not good at first yes okay can you get into the olympics without i won't name names no it's it's it's so interesting because yeah if you take off their skates and then all of a sudden you get on the on the floor and you're like okay um let's try a head roll and they're like and for those of you listening that was like a you know a in a in a neck cast head roll and so so here's what's here's what's so interesting at a foundation level at a base movement foundation body awareness level it is all the same whether you are in the Olympics or you are just starting skate.

21:05I teach the same fundamentals to a beginner and to Ilya. So at a foundation level, that's all the same. And the reason that I even started my online studio was because I realized really fast that I was saying the same things over and over and over to different level skaters. So I'm like, oh my god okay you all need foundational dance and movement training like because you can you can bring me in for choreography but if i say roll your right shoulder and you don't know how to move your right shoulder like we got to back up we got to go back to the beginning to the basics back to the foundation so i have seen a lot of improvement i mean i've been working with these skaters now for the last seven, eight years.

21:57And, and it is like my mission in life to drive home, how important it is for them to be practicing off ice dance and movement. It's not about just all of a sudden, magically being able to do it. Once you step on the ice, who was doing your job that you invented before you? What were they doing? They were dancing. That's what I'm saying. No, I don't. I don't know. I don't think. Okay, you know what's something crazy that I found out? And I was like, oh my God, I don't know how you're doing it. The head coach is doing everything. choreography skating lessons music production costume design creative direction I mean it was like I'm like how how how was that was one person doing all of this and so I think that I stepped in I was like okay let me let me do the dance choreography part of it because if you're not a dance choreographer, you don't know dance or you don't know how to choreograph those moves.

23:05Like hire me to do it. Right. And that's how that's how my position got invented, invented. I love invented positions. So I feel like gymnasts could use someone helping more with dance choreography because sometimes it's choppy. Yeah, it just doesn't it doesn't have that same their moves are cool and you're into it but most of the time there isn't this like true and body movement yeah yeah so you know what's so interesting i completely agree so shout out to the to the gymnast go ahead and give me a call it really is the same like you could you could break it down to fundamentals again and what i what i think you're saying and what the way that i would translate what you're saying is I find a lack of transition.

24:00So you can have a really cool move A and a really cool move B, but how you get there, that's what creates the choppiness. That's what that that's what takes you out with the performance. So I'm not watching you like, oh, damn, girl, like you are moving. You're almost like, oh, oh, you know, and I don't want to feel like that when I watch it. I want to be like, Oh my God, you're so good. Why is it so good? I don't even know why it's so good.

24:30The music probably matters to the music choice. Yeah. You can tell the ones like the gymnasts that have rush, like Russian coaches and things like that, because it just isn't as, I mean, I'm coming again, total newbie here. But when I watch a gymnastics routine, it doesn't have that same feeling as a figure skater or a dance ice dancer routine yeah as far as it's all it's the transitions it's the transitions and it's musicality it's details um and i know that i know that gymnasts are a little bit different because like when they're getting ready for a tumbling fast i don't think they're thinking about five six seven eight i think they're thinking i'm gonna go right like five six times in the air and you know um so yeah it's the same you're you're you're not wrong you are correct do you think that you can teach now I just asked you this and you said yeah there's some people that don't have this natural ability but they can skate do you think that you could take like teach say Laura and I to dance okay I definitely I definitely I could not teach you to skate I for sure couldn't teach you to skate i can absolutely teach anybody to move here i'm gonna actually can i give you one more thing and if you're listening you can try this okay i'm gonna teach you how to roll your like do like a body roll okay like with your head a snake yeah take your chin take your chin and put it on your chest so drop your chin to your chest now take your left ear and put your left ear on your left shoulder yeah roll and now listen to the left like you're listening for a secret yes put those three movements together so you go down ear to shoulder and listen yeah no that's it that's it and so all of a sudden you like can like snake your body so it's i think it's just cues it's it's cues that i'm giving over and over and over again to help you uh become more aware with your body like you know how to put your chin on your chest you know how to put your shoulder you know how to listen like a secret i'm totally practicing that no question she's gonna be walking down the like the grocery aisle and be like yes hippies in the car i'm going yes let's go so do you miss being center stage stage because in a sense you're behind the camera now.

27:06I love to perform. I will tell you that. I love it so much and I love being on stage. And that was something that as I started getting older, you know, I'm in LA, I'm auditioning and now I'm like finding myself like the oldest one on the audition. And I'm like, oh my God, this is, what am I going to do? What am I going to do to fulfill this need to perform yes to like to perform and so I had started my production company and you know I did all the creatives and the first time I ever saw something I created on the stage like it was an opening number for a corporate convention I remember sitting in the back of the room and I just watched it and I was like I'm gonna be okay I'm gonna be okay because I had this massive sense of fulfillment even though I wasn't the one on the stage I was still being creative I was still part of the process I was still directing I was still in this space of entertainment and that was the moment that I knew like I was gonna be okay um and I still you know I still get to I'm still producing i'm still directing and then working with the skaters it's still a creative outlet um i mean give me a microphone and all um like maybe i need to go on a speaking tour um no because i i do i love to be on stage um but i also just love i love being true to myself and I think that myself as a person, like I like to interact.

28:48I like to talk to people. I like to laugh. I like to have, and that to me, that's all like, it's kind of performative in the most authentic way, you know? So I don't need to be honest. Yeah. That's a good point. Well, if you are, so you've started this, this business and I think that it's really, it's easy for people to just see the highlights. Randy is doing all this. She's going to the Olympics. You know, she was on dancing with her. So you think you could dance blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. But I'm sure there's been some setbacks there. Some harder times that come with just entrepreneurship and business in general.

29:35Have you had any of those times or was it always just easy peasy? I've had none of those times. My life is easy and everything's happening. I don't know what you're talking about

29:49oh my god yeah the wave the wave is real big yeah of course of course you get down of course I get sad of course you know all those things I think what I am learning and I'll probably continue to learn my entire life is to really ride the wave and not get stuck down for too long because it's all part of it you know it's all you can't possibly live up here otherwise you won't know how good you have it um i'm very conscious of burnout and i used to like in my late 30s i was burning and i'm talking like burnout i'm in bed i'm not functioning burnout out that would happen probably like two or three times a year and I would just look back I'm like what okay what is it that's causing me to get to this moment what happened that that really tipped the scale and a lot of it was I wasn't happy in either the work I was doing or a client that I was working for I wasn't getting enough sleep it was just it was things that were very much in my control.

31:08And I have taken a lot of steps and it's very, you know, top of mind that burnout is, I don't, I don't want to burn out. If I'm tired, I will go take a nap. If I don't want to work with a client, I can't do it. I don't have time for new skaters right now. You know, things like that, where it's like, I used to just say, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. This fear of like not having enough work to finally being able to say, you know what, for my own health and for my own sanity, the answer has to be no thank you so much for thinking of me one of my books open I'll let you know type of type of mentality um so yeah the burnout the burnout is is something that I'm very conscious about you know because I I have a very full life I love it it's by design I'm we're very busy and I don't I don't think like that word like I'm so busy so busy but we are The schedule's packed in the best way.

32:05So yeah, just riding the wave, riding it when it's up and riding it when it's down and knowing that it's going to change either way. How often would you say that you're traveling? Because it seems like you're gone like 75 % of the year. Or is it 80? Or is it 90? I think last year we traveled, I was on the road like 140 ,000 miles last year. Oh my God. So yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot. I have a very expensive storage unit here in Salt Lake City. So how do you manage that kind of schedule while maintaining like your health, your energy, your creativity, and to not avoid that burnout? Is it just the boundaries?

32:52Is it just saying no? because traveling in itself is amazing but it's exhausting yeah it's exhausting it's exhausting well a couple of things um i am openly a snob about the way i travel um and i i i am not sorry about it you know we can't be traveling spirit airlines on the 6 a.m you know on 32 e you know um so i i am a snob about the way i travel like um you know i want to fly delta and i i have the seat preference and i i like to go to the lounge and i want a nice car to get to the airport um because it is hard it is very hard to live on the road and i wish that i could be like yep i have it all figured out um but i think the hardest thing while i'm on the road is is continuing to move my body for me like in the morning waking up and moving first thing even if it's for five or ten minutes just like moving my body and feeling where I'm at so that I'm able to go out and do my job with my full self if that makes sense yeah um something I am normalizing and I don't care because it's not performative it is so selfish it's very self-serving is I stretch all the time in the airport before I get on planes I'll at least go find a corner you know yeah I'm I'm like touching my toes and stretching out my hips and and continuously moving um obviously I mean I'd love to say like yeah I'm stone cold sober when I don't drink that is like a guaranteed you're gonna feel so much more amazing but you know sometimes the glass of wine just gets you.

34:41You're like, it's hard to say no. Sometimes I know it's something that it's not easy. And I, you have to put the effort in, you have to say like, okay, how many glasses of water have I drank today? It's 9.00 PM winding down. I need sleep. Um, no, I'm not doing a 6.00 AM flight if I don't have to. Um, no, I'm not doing two layovers either. Um, and you know what, actually I just got home. So I'm not going to be able to do that this weekend either. So yeah, boundaries. All the boundaries. Do you think it's taken you to be 40 years old to have those boundaries to like really stand strong in them? Oh, yeah.

35:21You know, you know what? It's so interesting because I feel like first of all, I love getting older. I love it. I thought my 30s were the best. And now I'm like, no, my 40s are 40s are the best. um i think like knowing myself more and and coming to understand who i am as a person has allowed me to create the boundaries because when you're young and people pleasing i had no boundaries i was just being taken advantage out of and walked all over and because you don't i don't want to hurt your feelings and i don't want to say no and i don't want to make you feel bad and I don't want it. Now I'm like, I'm not in control of your feelings.

36:01I am sorry if you feel that way. Those were not my intentions or whatever. But yeah, it's like the more I come to know myself, the better I can treat myself. And that is, that's being able to say no or no, that's not for me or no, I'd rather be alone right now or no, I can't do that tonight. But it's not easy, right? Like, I don't think that I don't think that setting boundaries and keeping boundaries are easy. I think it becomes that, okay, if I don't do this, then I'm going to hit burnout. So what's more important? Maybe hurting someone's feelings, not on purpose, or taking care of myself so then I can then show up for you 100 % the next day.

36:49Yeah. I'm going to choose myself. Your husband travels also quite a bit, correct? correct so how has your relationship with their like what's been the most difficult part about both of you traveling has it been hard on your relationship have you guys figured out how to manage that yeah when we when we first started dating we did we dated long distance we were like you know we're in the thick of our careers we're building and we're very focused on our career and And so when we started dating, it was like, I love you. And also I'm building, you know, so so it was a kind of a known thing that we were very used to spending a lot of time apart.

37:33And then COVID hit. And then all of a sudden we went from being apart all the time to being together all the time. And that in itself taught us both a lot. It was like, oh, my God, you are driving me nuts. Like, get out of my space. Right. So then so then we go to that extreme and then and then, you know, we learn a lot about each other and it ended up being great. It was, you know, unfortunately, fortunately, unfortunately, a great time in our life to actually like get to know each other on a on a deeper level. And then, you know, the entertainment industry came back like with a fury post COVID.

38:11And all of a sudden we went from together 24-7 to on the road again apart. that was very difficult because we didn't know how to manage it was like this ping pong of how are we managing our relationship our businesses our careers our travel it was it was so much and that was not an easy time for us that was that was very difficult of like okay what are what do we want and what are we doing because this isn't working so what are we changing um and what we ended up coming to the conclusion of is we didn't want to spend more than two weeks apart. So anytime a job came up or anything, any travel or anything, it was like, okay, it's yet, like, obviously, yes.

38:59And, and also if it's more than two weeks, then better figure out how we're going to see each other. Either I'm coming to you or you're saying, you know, no, in the contract, or I have to go home every two weeks or whatever it was like we were, you know, we were very focused on making this work because we knew that we were more the sum of our parts more than the sum of our parts and and we knew we wanted to make that work so you know from that from what you could say was the darkest hardest time of our relationship to now where we are I'm so grateful that we stuck through it and because now now I just I feel like we're we're always learning about each other and we give each other space to grow as individuals.

39:45We're both, you know, like I said, we're heavy in building our careers. I don't think it's going to stop anytime soon. And also, you know, we've recently started doing more shows together. So now we get to travel a lot more together. So yeah, when you want to make something work, you can make it work. Like we just both wanted it. And we figured out how to do it. So you and Haley have something in common. And that is your husbands are your IT guys. They're your tech geniuses in your businesses. They're kind of like your CEOs, like the husband. So I know because I work with Ailey how that goes and Steve her husband's amazing just like Iggy I know both of your guys is incredible husbands how has it been hard for you to work with your husband we work so well together and I think we lucked out in the fact that like we are so different I am very much like, I don't know technology at all.

41:01And even though Iggy, like Iggy's not really an IT guy. He's actually just a genius creative director and designer who knows IT. So, but here's what I'll say. I really had this desire to be with someone that I could build with. I wanted to build, and I kept telling myself this, I want to build a life with someone. I want to build. And what I meant was I not only do I want to build a life, I want to build companies. I want to build careers. I want to build, you know, this amazing relationship. Like I just wanted to build. And I think I ended up getting more than I more than I even asked for it, because he does all of the back end of of my websites.

41:46He, you know, make sure my computers are updated and all my devices are charged. You know, make sure that I have the best microphones and the best cameras. And even for my online studio, he films and edits and publishes and he does it all. I'm just the on-camera talent. You know, so I really lucked out in having a true partner. And he truly is like the definition of like my partner in life. business relationship travel career all of those things um i will say because we we tell this to people all the time it's very interesting that when we're on site when we're on a job he's the creative director don't ever hand me a blank piece of paper and say tell me your ideas because it will remain blank i am the producer like you tell me what you want to happen and i will make it happen so on site he's like the shade of blues and I'm like okay well you know what we're behind schedule and we need this and this and this and so we're moving like let's pick up the face and when we get home he is like money and investments and technology and a computer and then blah blah blah and I'm like you know I'm not really feeling that we should go feel more like you know like I'm much more that person at home so we are the opposite people and then we get to switch on on jobs and stuff so i think that keeps it interesting but i'm not always just in like one role you know we we really do switch roles all the time yeah that's great how old were you when you met him do you met him later in life i said this is my second marriage yep so uh yeah Yeah, I didn't meet him until I was 30, 33, maybe.

43:44Thank God. Thank God I met him later. I mean, I don't know. Do you guys feel like you've transformed like different lives at different periods of your life? 100%. Yeah. Listen, accidental marriage is like, it's just something that sometimes happens. I know. I know. I look back and I'm like, who was she? huh but I'm really glad that we met when we did it's been it's been such a blessing to be able to meet someone when you have to get yourself out a little bit more you know when you know yourself a little bit more you know what you want you know what you don't want and you're able to express it you know when I was younger like you don't even know yourself so how can you know you're still trying to figure it out you know I don't even know what I want I don't even know who I am.

44:39So I was really grateful that we got to meet each other later in life. And then from there, you know, you still grow and you still change. And also we're doing it. I feel I feel very blessed that we're doing it together. Yeah, it's so true. Do you believe success comes from more frank discipline or creativity? Oh, discipline. Discipline for sure. I mean, and I say that because, I mean, this sounds so cliche. It's the little things that you do every single day that end up making the biggest impact. And if you don't have the discipline to do the little thing every day, then I don't think it matters if you're creative or not.

45:31Because you're not going to have, you know, you're not going to have discipline to do anything with. even if you had creativity i can't even do anything with it because i'm not disciplined enough to do the small things um and i say that like it's easy it's not not easy um no i i will say one thing that has has helped me um kind of like keep that mind strength and to do the things that sometimes i don't want to work out sometimes i'm tired and i want to nap and I need to know the difference between are you being lazy or are you actually needing rest um but I like to like get up and work out is the if I want to work out every day just get up and work out that's how I get it done every single day and having the discipline to you know get on the bike or get in the class or do whatever it is like first thing in the morning that is like my personal road to success.

46:31Anyone that's listening that might be in this position that wants to start a new career or in their midlife, and maybe they've just been a mother, but they're passionate about things or want to start something. I mean, you literally created this incredible position and business. what advice would you give to anyone listening and how to find your passion or create something in your life well here's what I believe I believe that everyone is special and no one is special which means kind of the same like if I can do it you can do it like I truly believe that I think that one thing that really helped me find direction of what I was meant to do is I heavily got into meditation and found answers that came from me and not from other people.