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30:58I love that book Oh yeah, you've modernized it Modern, nah dude I read it in the original Latin Take that, Matt Matt, well, Taylor has to do stuff like that as he's in the rear here. One point so far through two rounds. He's only beating Thomas and myself, who are literally in the cellar. Well, you know, there's the caboose, then there's the rear. These things are close together. In the middle is Adam with three. Probably feeling pretty good about his three-point round. And Matt and Carol tied with five after two rounds. We move now to round three.

31:45Hey friends, I'm here with Brandon Fu, co-founder and CEO of Paragon. Paragon lets B2B SaaS companies ship native integrations to production in days with more than 130 pre-built connectors or configure own custom integrations. So Brandon, talk to me about the friction developers feel with integrations. SSO, dealing with rate limits, retries, auth, all the things. Yeah. So there's a lot here. And I think there's a lot of aspects to the different problems that you have to solve in the integration story in building these integrations and also providing them in a user-friendly way for your customers to self-serve and onboard and consume those integrations.

32:25So part of what the Paragon SDK provides is that embedded user experience. Again, what we call our Connect Portal. That's going to provide the authentication for your users to connect their accounts. That's going to be the initial onboarding. But in addition to that, your users may also want to configure different options or settings for their integrations. A common example that we see for Salesforce or for CRM integrations in general is that your users may want to select some type of custom object mapping. Every CRM can be configured differently. So your users might want to map objects to some different type of record in their Salesforce or different fields in their Salesforce.

32:59And typically, that's what developers would have to build on their own, is this UI for your users to configure these different settings for every single integration. That's also going to be what's provided by the Paragon SDK, is not just that initial onboarding and authentication experience, but also the configuration end-user UX for different settings like custom field mapping, selecting which types of features on your integration that your user might want to configure. and that's also going to be provided fully out of the box by Paragon SDK. Okay, cool. That's the front of the house. That's the UI layer that developers are getting solved.

33:38What about the backend, the re-limiting, the retries, etc.? With integrations, different APIs might have different rate limits. They might have different policies that you have to conform with and your developers typically have to learn these different nuances for every API and write code individually to conform to those different nuances. With Paragon, because we build and maintain the connector with each of the integrations that we support in our catalog, we're automatically going to handle for things like retries, things like rate limits. For example, Paragon knows the rate limit for each provider and will automatically throttle your requests so that you can conform to the rate limit for those providers and be able to intelligently retry requests in the event that you exceed the rate limit or a request fails.

34:24And so we look at this as sort of the backend or infrastructure layer of the integration problem that we have spent the last five years essentially building and optimizing the Paragon infrastructure to act as the integration infrastructure for your application. Okay. Paragon is built for product management. It's built for engineering. It's built for everybody. Ship hundreds of native integrations into your SaaS application in days or build your own custom connector with any API. Learn more at useparagon.com slash changelog. Again, useparagon.com slash changelog. That's U-S-E-P-A-R-A-G-O-N dot com slash changelog.

35:09And your word for round three is... Bunyip. bunyip that's b-u-n-y-i-p no we're about to stem this is stem is it correct this is a regular round

35:32carol lee is already typing so she might know this one sorry guys i don't want to scare you but she's already submitting pretty fast for a fake definition. Maybe I just think of fake things really quickly. Or I like to draft a lot and then choose the right one. Oh, so you pre-write a bunch of definitions and then select. That's a strategy. There you go. Oh, no. Not in the group DM, Taylor. No! That was a fake one. Oh, okay. That was just for you guys. Taylor's now hiding so we don't look at his face while he thinks. That's how you know he's in ultra for a long mode. Yeah. It's like playing poker, isn't it?

36:11It's like when your Tamagotchi's at the brink of death. But look how happy Thomas looks when he's thinking. He's got like a little smile on his face. It's so cute. I can't handle it. All that stuff. Just walking around. Thomas is like, hmm, I wonder what this is. Look at Taylor. I think he's having a seizure. It's precious. She's convulsing down there.

36:32Oh, man. Now I'm just imagining each of you as different Tamagotchi characters. It's very odd. Thomas is just really easy to take care of. I didn't know there were Tamagotchi characters. I thought it was just like the little thing. Yeah, isn't it just like a little blob? It's a little pet. It's a little digital pet, right? Do they look different? I just thought they were all blob. Were they all the same thing? I'm going to look it up. I know that they had different personalities, right? Like certain ones would need to eat more. Other ones would sleep more. Oh, they do have different... Yeah, I feel like the people had...

37:03They knew? I didn't know there was new Tamagotchis. I just figured it was a 1990s thing. Someone told me that Tamagotchi is back. I don't know if that's true. But I'm pretty sure they're back. That would make sense. Everything comes back eventually. I feel like it could just be like an app now. Yeah. The fact that it's like its own separate thing is kind of cool. Retro. It'd be cool if you could have yourself as a little Tamagotchi to look after, though. So I could have a little Jared. Oh, not yourself, but other people. So you want to. That's yourself, isn't it, Jared? You want Jared to have a Jared, or you want yourself to have a Jared?

37:40I mean, both are creepy. I want a Jared. He wants to have a little Jared as his pet. No, Jared having himself would be sad. Yeah, yeah. Me having a little Jared to look after, I think is... Also sad. Yeah. Sad for whom? That's especially brutal coming from an actual doctor in this stuff. I'm sorry, yeah. To be told you're sad, yeah. It somehow hits harder. I'm not gonna lie, the Tamagotchi characters are not that cute. Well, they were just like little pixels, weren't they? Yeah. Yes. Can I have a prescription to do something cool? Gotta get cooler. Gotta adopt a little Jared. Just wear shades.

38:11Just wear shades of work. Oh, sorry. It's not that you're not uncool. It's that you're sad. Those are different, Matt. But you're also uncool. Sorry. Sorry. Oh, right. We'll deal with that one. They come together. They come together. Shots fired. I just found out my mom's been lying to me for a long time. She's been telling me that I'm cool, but she's been telling other people that I'm lame. This is a... Really? Yeah, dude, this is a crisis Recent crisis Who's she been telling this to? Dude, she went on the news, she announced it In front of the public They just have a section of the news called like Mom thoughts?

38:46Who's lame, who's cool Dis on your kid Mom thoughts And now, to our mom correspondent Yeah Well, maybe she just had to set the record straight I mean, did she ask you to watch that particular program? Has anybody else submitted definitions? I have Thomas's and Carol's is correct so she's going to score more points again but you get more points for getting it right you get three instead of two if it makes you feel any better Taylor my mom told me my middle name was Sarah and then when I got married my birth certificate just had the letter J and I was like who's Carol J Lee it was just a letter and she was like you know they messed it up never bothered fixing it so my middle name is just a random letter Dude, that's so cool.

39:30I know. It was very confusing when I was like, I don't even know if you're marrying the right person, Zach. I'm so sorry. Yeah. It's like you're destined to write a book now. It's like, yeah. Finding Jaro J. Lee. J. Lee. Just not to one-up you, but my mom named me Trailer Trash, dude. Well done. That is a one-upper if I were a single. Dude, yeah. Is that? She had no clue. Is that what she said on the news? No, no, no. That was like when I was in elementary school. I was like, hey, mom, why'd you need to be trailer trash? She's like, oh, I could see how people would see that. I was like... She didn't see that coming, huh?

40:18I didn't put those two together until just now. I feel like I did, but also I feel like it might have been the first thing you ever said to me, Taylor, or was that? Was high-end trailer trash? no like I think I was interviewing you for the show and we were talking about your name or something maybe it was prior to the show starting hopefully it wasn't on the air but you were like yeah it's like trailer trash and I was like okay I wasn't gonna say it but you said it there you go you gotta clear the air and I think you had the uh you had more of the look back then as well didn't you do you still have a look oh yeah I had the mullet yeah he had the mullet with The rat tail.

40:54You have the rat tail. There's no mullet, but do you have a rat tail? No rat tail right now. This weekend, I actually had a mustache goatee thing. I was trying to look like somebody that would tie somebody to train tracks. And I successfully did it. Just a documentary song? Oh, no, no, no. I did a song at a conference. All right. Now I have a little bit of issues. I wanted to look like a villain, villainous creature. I was explaining to someone how I knew you. And I was like, I met him at a conference. He had a hair tie. He had a fanny pack full of babies. And they were like, what does this person look like?

41:31And I pulled up your picture just from the internet. It was like you with the mullet and the glasses. And they were like, this person looks like they would have a fanny pack of babies. And I was like, yeah. A fanny pack of babies? That doesn't seem like you could carry a lot of babies. Are they very small? You'd be surprised. Very small little plastic babies. And you slip them in people's pockets when nobody's looking. Adam didn't you take one of those home I was really sad because I wanted to get my My finger out My finger hand I have a mini finger hand And a mini mini finger hand That were guests from Taylor Yes And I will tell you where they're at At least one of them I know where it's at You wanna know where it's at Nope Questionable It's in the shower Wait a second That's what I thought we were going there.

42:24The mini-mini one, right? No, the mini-mini one is in the shower. The mini-mini one is lost. Does it help you scratch your back or something? I don't understand. You know, my boys, they shower in our shower because it's just easier. And so they take things in there and somehow they get left in there and that's one of them. There's like two monster trucks in there. PS5. And the mini finger hand. Switch. Who's left your Switch in here? kids. All right. We have all definitions for round three. Carol, correct again. Three points. We'll be sitting this round out of two rounds in a row from the noob to the master.

43:03Perhaps we will see if this continues. Here we have five definitions of the word bunyip. Number one, a mythical creature from Australian mythology said to lurk in swamps and rivers. Number two, the evolved ancestor of a bunny, which is the affectionate and informal name of a rabbit. Number three, a rocky enclave of a brook. Number four, a misshapen egg or an egg that looks atypical. And number five, contractions of the cord diaphragm in hairs, similar to hiccups in humans. Bunyip. So there's five definitions of the word bunyip. Lots of rabbit connections there. In many of them, we will start with Matt.

43:46Bunyip Bunyip Well I was trying to read Carol I knew that Carol knew the answer Metagame Yeah And got nothing Couldn't tell you from any of them Okay That's what they train you to do Clinical psychology Yeah that's what they want me to think I was doing the same thing She just looked like a stone-faced Tamagotchi Yeah Nothing to read The J stands for mystery

44:14Dude you have the same middle name as Sarah J Maas. Did you realize that?

44:20I do now. What does the J stand for in Sarah J Maas? J, dude. It's a J. The programming language. Oh, yeah. Matt, what are you thinking over there? I'm going to go for the mythological one. The mythological one. Hey, last time I did this being silly, and they cut it out thinking I was accidentally. I was going like, and the editor's like, And we'll cut that out because he's obviously made a little mistake. But it was hilarious. Well, we can't tell what you're being real or not real with your mistakes. I mean, imagine you couldn't pronounce a word and then we left it in. The embarrassment. That's what you do anyway.

45:00I'm British. True. Moving to Taylor. Which of these definitions do you think is bunyip? I think it was the mythological one. Brook. River? River Brook? A rocky enclave of a brook. That sounds, can't get anything from Stonewall Carol over there. Yeah, Stoneface Carol. What were the other ones? Give me the one word, reviews. All right, so number two was the evolved ancestor of a bunny. Number four was a misshapen egg. And number five was the contractions of the core diaphragm in hairs, in bunnies, in rabbits, a hair, like H-A-R-E. Yeah. Because a hair doesn't have a diaphragm. H-A-I-R. Just closing that loop.

45:42not what are you thinking taylor clarifying much about her i am thinking you know my my my heart my my heart is telling me tell us about your heart eggs dude we got we gotta go

45:57so far from taylor we have shakespeare bruh and eggs dude yeah i'm liking these answers all right i'm gonna shape an egg all right taylor is on eggs adam where were you gonna land I'm following Matt because he's got the second most points. And he wrote the Somp Hylon. You think Taylor and Thomas are bad? And I just feel like. These are our former champs. Thomas hasn't gone. You haven't gone yet, have you, Thomas? No, he hasn't. I haven't gone yet. I thought that was the case. Just in general, I said you were following the leaders. Yeah, I'm following wisdom here. Wisdom. The aluminium wisdom. So whatever he chose.

46:35I don't even know which one he chose. He chose the mythological creature. Australian myth. Sounds Australian. One more and it's a pylon. Well, there's only one more left. It's Thomas. Are you going to pile on? It's a pylon. Is it a pylon? I'm feeling it. All right. Now, should we play the pylon jingle or should we have Matt write a new one real quick? Write a new one. How about we have the live version? Give us the live version. Matt, how about a pylon jingle? Can you give us that? Even better. Did you bring your guitar? I've got my guitar here. This one's real. Pylon song part three. That one's a Zoom background.

47:08Maybe put a little bit of some hair in it. A.K.A. bunny rabbit. Yeah. Yep. Give it a little bunny flavor. Any other requests? Eggs. Make it fluffy. Yeah, with some eggs. Can you do Australian accent? Because we have. Yeah. Australian hops get bunny fluff. You can have the letter J in there. Yeah. In an Australian accent. Yeah. Cool. We don't want to put too many constraints on you. Oh, no. Please. What constraints? Do it in an Australian accent. Make it about eggs and hair. It's pretty straightforward. A little hoppy tune, by the way. An Australian say hair.

47:44We're about to find out, mate.

47:51You're saying hair, I'm saying eggs. I wish we were saying the same things again, but I don't know, mate. I guess it's not to be. Oh wait a minute, you're changing your answer to be the same We got a pile on mate We got a pile on mate We got a pile on mate We got a pile on mate We got a pile on mate And I've got a fanny pack of babies

48:34that was really good that was very good thank you very much now Matt now that Oasis is getting back together are you going to join them? yeah we're trying to get the support act but so far they've not replied did you see his face? I was excited about Oasis he was excited it's a wonder wall alright let's go to our results of the pile on we had three out of the four guessing the mythical creature from Australian mythology. Carol, is that right? Yeah. That's right. Carol knew that that was a bunyip. It's said to lurk in swamps and rivers. And so Matt, Adam, and Thomas each score two points. Taylor voted for the misshapen egg, dude.

49:23And that egg was Matt's egg, dude. So Matt gets a bonus point for tricking Taylor into selecting his definition. That's three for Matt. That's three for Carol. I hope that's okay. Wait, it's not an egg? No. I just made that up. Shoot. I just made that up. Now, Carol couldn't remember what the monster looks like. So maybe it is an egg-shaped monster. I don't know. That's true. My definition said Australian folk monster, but I don't know what it looks like. So it could look like an egg. And I've never seen one myself. Again, I have to ask, where have you encountered Bunyip? There was a, okay, I read a lot as a kid, also as a child.

50:02All right. And there was like a book of like folk monsters around the world. Why have you just remembered it from your childhood? Yeah. I mean. That's a deep recall. It's kind of like a fun one, you know? It's a fun name. Bunyip. Bunyip. I thought it was a fun word. Yeah. Which is why I selected it. I mean, there's a reason why I don't remember what it looks like. I don't know. We all need to read more. so this is like slumdog millionaire where carol's got these backstories but you're gonna ask like a techie question i can be like i don't know yeah or clinical psychology word comes up well we move now to round four of course between carol's correct answers and matt tricking everybody those two are tied still at first place with eight so she's not running away with it it's a battle between good and evil it is it's a battle between knowledge and misinformation played out right here This is it.

50:47And I'm on the wrong side of history. I think that means you're going to win. Damn. I'm going to say, we always know which one wins in the end. That's a British. Oh, sad. Let's move to round four. This round is called Give It a Goog. Give it a Goog. Oh, gosh. This is a abnormal round. Now, I went to Google.com. Have you heard of it? And I opened it in an incognito window. And I began to type something. and I stopped and Google dutifully recommended me some autocompletes. I took the top autocomplete and I wrote it down. Your job in this round, give it a goog, is to write your own top autocomplete for this phrase and we will select which one we think is the real autocomplete.

51:33The phrase I typed in to google.com was, why don't we? Why don't we? And then I stopped and I wrote down that top autocomplete. Now, do not go out to Google and try this for yourself. That would be immoral. Yeah. Yeah. Maybe on the dark side for sure. But go ahead and tell me what you think is the top autocomplete and we can see which one's correct.

52:09I have masks. Now I'm wondering if my thinking face is adequately joyful. I think it was a little bit more demure there. Don't think about it too much. I'm sure it's fine. Still look low res to me. Have you had a Tylenol? I need a Tylenol. I was going to take one before this show, but I... Get one. I'm in a neighbor's house. Oh, you might have missed it, but I'm in a neighbor's house because... Mom. They're testing the fire alarms in my apartment today. Oh. They work. Wow. Unfortunately. Oh, they're just going around setting fires? Yes. They just set a little fire and see. No, they got a guy who's smoking.

52:42He just walks around smoking all day. Oh, he's cool. He looks cool, but... He looks cool, but it's really not cool. Is it not? Not in the... Yeah, set a good example. Yeah, it's a family show. Smoking kills. Especially if it's you that's on fire. that's making the smoke. That's true. Yeah, that can be really dangerous, so do be careful if you're doing that. Mm-hmm. I have carols. Goog. Thomas, I think I can detect your submissions in this game now because of the way you write it. So I think Thomas has a tell now. So I'd like to play an additional game where I... Does he look extra happy? What is the tell?

53:22Yeah, what is the tell? It's in the definition itself. What's the... Yeah, say more. It just has a feeling. It just sounds like Thomas would say it. It's a vibe. It's a vibe check. It's a vibe, yeah. She's using that phrase, Jared. Say more. I know. I use it a lot. Classic therapy technique. Looking at faces and saying say more. And how does identifying my tell make you feel? It makes me feel pretty powerful, Thomas. Thank you for asking. What the heck? Are you sure she's on the good side or the evil side? She's on her own side. We are remembered here. That was sinister. I liked it. Okay, we have them all.

54:03Why don't we give it a goog? Oh, we did. And we are playing around as a result. Where we tried to autocomplete the phrase, why don't we? Here are six possible top autocompletes. Number one, why don't we live on Mars? Number two, why don't we drugs legal? Number three, why don't we print more money? Number four, why don't we eat turkey eggs? Number five, why don't we destroy the moon once and for all? Sorry, number six. Just the way I said that was once and for all. Why don't we see dead people? That's number six. So we have six potential autocompletes. Taylor, which one do you think is the real one?

54:52Eggs. How? You're very excited about eggs. Something's up with him and eggs Yeah Almost blew your mic out Bunyip dude Alright Taylor picks eggs Bunyip emphatically Adam picks I can't choose Somebody trying to bloat the moon Once and for all Once and for all That's the key piece here It's like we've tried Yeah it's like we've tried And it keeps coming back And we're like Nah pesky moon Not again We've tried everything Wolverine At least once We're just tired of all the tides Well actually once and for all kind of implies that we did do it once, but it came back. It's like, well, we blew it up, but it wasn't once and for all.

55:30It was kind of like - Michael Collins knew the truth. Does that make any sense though, once and for all? Because that would imply you didn't do it before. You've only done it once and for all. No, we want to do it once and for all. We did it, but it wasn't once and for all. It's twice then. He's got a point. I really wish we could do this once and for all. I think we should do it twice and for some. We'd have to be like, let's do it one more time and for all or something. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Once more. One last time and everybody can partake. But people aren't known for being accurate when they're Google searching.

56:02True. Jared, would you be opposed to reading them all again? These are quick. I can read them all. For you? Yeah, please. All right. Number one was, why don't we live on Mars? Number two, why don't we drugs legal? Number three, why don't we print more money? Number four, why don't we eat turkey eggs? Number five, why don't we destroy the moon once and for all? Number six. Why don't we see dead people? So many good choices here. Is that you, Thomas? Drug's legal? No. Is that subliminal messaging? No, I was just looking at it. I was like, hmm. Taylor's pretty excited about the eggs though You were wrong with the eggs before You might be good about eggs this time, Taylor No, I wasn't I use that word every single day And it's correct usage, dude What, bunyip?

56:47It's just a local usage of the word, yeah Maybe it's like an actual product From where he's from Every day? Use it in a sentence then Give it to me Oh, I cracked a bunyip

57:03Sounds like something on your foot Okay, fine, I won't follow you then You make no sense. Let's go with money. All right. Adam wants to go with money. Print, mo, money. All right. Next up, Carol. Money, dude. I'm actually going to go with eggs because I am kind of wondering, why don't we eat turkey eggs? Who says we don't? I guess I don't. So why don't we commonly, maybe more accurately be like, why don't we commonly eat turkey eggs? All right. Carol goes for eggs. We are one away from a pile. We do eat turkey, though. We do eat turkey, Adam. that is... Haven't they given us enough? I feel like...

57:38Never. Turkeys are not like chickens. They don't do the whole whatever the process is to produce an egg that is a yolk, maybe. Not a turkey. Ovulation? Is that what happens? Oh, is it ovulation? Are you trying to say that chickens don't lay eggs? No, he's saying turkeys don't lay eggs. I think, well... Oh, okay, okay. No, no, I think they do. I just wonder if, like, chickens... I'm pretty sure turkeys lay eggs. Chickens lay eggs that don't have chickens in them. Mm-hmm. Yes. Okay. And so we eat the ones that don't have chicken. They're just the yolk. It's a pre-menopause or something. I don't know.

58:15I'm just trying to figure out a word. Pre-menopause? All right. You're done. Chicken menstruation. Correct. Yeah, exactly. It's something like that, right? Evolution. Yeah, pre-menopause chickens. And so are you saying like turkeys are born like in menopause or? No, I'm thinking that maybe just turkeys don't do what chickens do. All right. Let's not answer the question. Every egg is a winner. Okay. let's answer this question which goog is it somebody fact check adam always answering because he just spat some real interesting science it's adam's turn still oh i guess oh no you picked i'm sorry you picked more money yeah my bad you were just talking it's actually your turn carol i already chose one i chose turkey the turkey egg thing because i was like well then what's going on with me i don't know it's probably thomas or matt's turn it's thomas it is my turn live on mars was it live on mars what was the phrasing there yeah live on mars why don't we live on mars right i just feel like people would be googling that why don't we live on mars yet drugs legal kind of the mess up of the uh i don't know print more money i mean i feel like people do ask that all the time every day print money or drugs legal drugs legal and print money that'd be great just you know they go well together they They do go hand in hand.

59:32I think I'm going to ask, why don't we live on Mars? Why don't we live on Mars? It's there. It's not that far. Let's get over there. The moon's closer. I'm pretty sure they don't have oxygen. But we want to get rid of the moon once and for all. We got to get rid of it. Well, that's because it's in the way. Once you get rid of the moon, it's a straight shot to Mars. I think David Bowie, didn't he? He lived some life on Mars, didn't he? Matt, it's your turn. What are you thinking? again um okay right hang on a minute so you did it in incognito mode correct and this is so that you your previous search history didn't influence it but it's not influenced by my personal interest but they do it on ip still so what sort of tell me about the area you live in where do you live jared what street lots of anti-moon sentiment in uh in this area oh yeah we'll do a lot of drugs and then print money and then go to the moon and blow it up then live on mars and eat their turkey eggs, obviously.

1:00:29I mean, it's a plan. The moon might be the one place that's more barren than Nebraska. So, ooh. Ouch, dude. Come on, we got fertile cropland here. It's called the fertile plain for a reason, Thomas. Fertile, yeah. They can grow whatever the hell they want. Taylor's the one who'll starve in, like, Palm Springs. Jeez. More drugs. Drugs legal. I don't know if it would make that mistake. Why would it say, why would it not be correct English? I don't understand why the autocomplete That's fine English. It's just American English. And it's also a Nebraska thing. It's Nebraska, American English. I like the why don't we see dead people.

1:01:06But the obvious answer is they're terrible on dates. But I think I'm going for print more money. I think most people would just be like, even if you understand economics and the tools that they have at that level, you do talk about printing money. But also if you're an absolute idiot, and I'm not saying you've got a lot of idiots in Nebraska. I don't know. Imagine there's an idiot walking down the street who just thinks money's just printed and they've got like a printer. Why don't you just do more of it and then everyone's got more money? Well, I didn't take that one. That's my submission. All right, print more money.

1:01:43Good one, good one. We'll go with that one. My particular answer to that is aren't they already doing that? Aren't we printing more money? It seems like we are printing more money. You can't be reply guys to Google Autocomplete. I'm replying to your thought process go ahead Taylor dude there's only so much paper that's the problem what we need is more trees that's true that's why they're cutting down the trees guys yeah I mean that's why the save the rainforest people we have to ignore them because we have to cut down more trees that's why they have so much money yeah we've resorted to selling our printers that print the money we're actually going to make more money that way now alright let's find out our results here.

1:02:24Print more money. We'll start right there because that's where everybody wants to be. Adam and Matt printing more money. Why don't we? Well, Thomas, why don't we print more money? You were wondering that when you wrote that, weren't you? That's Thomas's. Two points to Thomas. Thomas said, why don't we live on Mars? He wants to know. The people demand an answer. And that was Matt's question as well. So one point for Matt. Trade you. Touche. Meanwhile, nobody picked destroy the moon once and for all much to taylor's chagrin and nobody picked to see dead people much to adam's chagrin nobody picked why don't we drugs legal because carol typed it wrong or something i feel like people can't type right on google okay i was just speaking to the people okay come on i wasn't sure if that was a typo or not i was gonna help you correct it but no that was very good that leaves us with the one real question that demands an answer why don't we eat turkey eggs is the Answer because of Adam's strange conspiracy theory about turkey fertility?

1:03:26I don't know. Adam, did you look it up while you were sitting there? Post-menopausal. I just hypothesized that they fertilize less, but it turns out they just lay less. Lay less eggs. Yeah. I was thinking, I use menopause. I couldn't think of the word fertilization. I'm sorry, everybody. Is that why we don't eat hummingbird eggs? Well, I think they're more like caviar, wouldn't it? I mean, they're tiny. Yeah, but what if they lay like a ton of them? you know we this could be an untapped natural resource well they're a lot harder to catch than chickens just have a fist of them after the gym i guess turkey eggs are kind of expensive it's like three dollars an egg how much are hummingbird eggs i don't know why don't you look it up why don't you google it dude yeah it's probably like rice where you just get it by the so carol gets it right two points for carol and taylor gets it right two points for taylor Now, there were a few other contenders I thought it would be fun to read.

1:04:19Not number one. Of course, number one was why don't we eat turkey eggs? Number two, why don't we go back to the moon? So opposite of destroying it.

1:04:32Number three, why don't we fly over Antarctica? Good question. Number four, why don't we eat roosters? Maybe this is Nebraska. We're never going to get asked that in the UK. You've never even heard of a rooster. Number five, why don't we talk about Bruno? Good question. Why don't we talk about Bruno? That's probably universal. Number six, why don't we eat carnivores? I feel like it's not even true. It's not even true. Yeah, but no one's going to search in the UK, why don't we eat turkey eggs? No one would search, I promise. Because you guys don't have turkeys? Yeah, we don't really eat much turkey.

1:05:04Right. Only at Christmas. I've heard that there's a difference of eggs in the UK versus the US, and like you can just eat raw eggs in the UK and you can't in the US? I'm not sure. I heard that. Is that true, Matt? Well, you don't eat raw eggs. Oh, salmonella. We've been told that salmonella poison. Yeah, yeah. What's that? Do you guys have that over there too? It's suspicious. We've been told about the salmonella, but... But I've seen Rocky and he drinks a bunch of eggs and he's fine. Yeah, people do it, don't they, in the gym. I don't know if it's hummingbird. Just do that. Drink hummingbird juice.

1:05:35I think hummingbird eggs are too small, Taylor. There's not enough in there. There was a sparrow that has really soft feathers on its chin. And there was some old emperor somewhere had a whole bed made from the softest possible sparrow chin feathers. And I really want one of them now since I learned about it. Believe it or not, we're only through four rounds. Yeah. And. I want to own a very cold sparrow. Cold sparrow. Carol's in striking distance. I'm not even engaging in the conversation. we are only through four rounds and we're talking about hummingbird eggs and cold sparrows we should move on to round five after four rounds carol almost in striking distance of a win here with 10 points matt in second with nine adam in third with five thomas fourth with four and taylor with three now you guys have been using the spread quite well and i have zero points because every round you have landed somebody at least on the answer

1:06:41okay we're here in the breaks i'm here with faras abukadijay founder and ceo of socket.dev socket is a developer first security platform that protects your code from both vulnerable and malicious dependencies faras the status quo of security tools for developers seems to be broken. It seems to be just riddled with tools that may not actually help developers to be more secure and to shift left. What are your thoughts? I totally agree that current security tools are super broken. There's really two ways that they're broken. The first, they send too many alerts. The second, they send not enough alerts.

1:07:18What I mean by that is they send too many alerts. They send false positives. They inflate the severity. They say that it's a critical security issue when it's actually a low security issue. They tell you about vulnerabilities and developer dependencies that are never going to run in production. So there's all these reasons why they're just wasting your time with this noise. And on the other hand, they're not alerting you about things that actually matter. So if you look at like the news and you look at kind of the attacks that are affecting companies and that are affecting developers today, there are things like malicious dependencies, typo squat attacks, hijacked dependencies, risky dependencies that have like hidden behavior in them that will open up pop-ups to random sites or steal certain data from your system.

1:07:56Things that you do see in the news quite frequently, right? And we see them literally, we see a hundred attacks per week at Socket that we're detecting right now that are an NPM, PyPy, Maven, and the Go ecosystems, which are the four we support today. The current tools, they send you too many alerts, all this low importance stuff, but then they don't even alert you about all the attacks that are actually, that actually matter. And so that's what we're doing at Socket. We're sending you the right alerts, the alerts that actually matter. So you You get, when you are alerted, you actually believe it and you take it seriously because it's real, you know?

1:08:25That's what we're trying to do. And that's what I think we're doing really well. That's why we have over 6 ,000 organizations that have added Socket into their GitHub. It's a two-click installation. It's literally super easy. You go to the GitHub marketplace, you search Socket, you click install, and you click all repos. Boom, your entire company is protected. And it doesn't block developers. It doesn't prevent you from shipping code. Initially, it's all just kind of in a warn mode. So it's really easy to get started. no source code access. We don't read your source. We just need a list of dependencies that you're using.

1:08:54So it's a really light and easy installation. Very, very developer friendly tool. Okay. They've made it too easy to install the GitHub app. Go to socket.dev. There's a button right there on the homepage, install GitHub app, or if you want to go deeper and see behind the scenes and get questions answered, you can book a demo. But the first step is to go to socket.dev, Learn about Socket for GitHub, Socket CLI, and the Socket dependency search. Find any packet for your project and see its security concerns or lack thereof. Once again, socket.dev. That's S-O-C-K-E-T dot dev.

1:09:36Round five is one of our newer style rounds. This is called namespace conflict. In this round, I have gone out to the hub of GITs and I have found a repository. I will tell you the name of that GitHub repository and you will write the tagline slash description. You know, whatever people would put in that tagline field on GitHub to describe their repository. And we'll see who can trick everybody into thinking there is the real repo tagline. Sound good? Sounds very good, actually. I would say out of all the rounds, this one sounds the best. Thank you. I work very hard on these for your pleasure.

1:10:18The repo that you will describe or tag is called Firecrawl. Firecrawl. F-I-R-E-C-R-A-W-L. All one word. Firecrawl. Please write a tagline and submit it to me now.

1:10:38Did you read about fire crawl repo when you were a kid, Carol? It was actually in this children's book Yeah, I thought it might be That's how they make the babies really tough is that, you know, you teach them to crawl over the fire They're not that tough if they end up in a fanny pack That's small, so small versus tough Those are different words just to be clear they weren't actual babies that I had oh really oh right what like plastic or something yeah they're plastic oh you buy them in bulk where do you get those bulk he said that's where you buy them babies.com no no bookstore I get them from the bookstore the bookstore Amazon oh yeah do they do books now does Amazon sell books now I don't know ask Carol she reads books I go to the bookstore and I get books Taylor gets babies it's fine okay yeah hey guys got any babies to be clear they're not real babies yeah right not real babies let's not keep acting like they are most of us already knew that Jared that they weren't already babies they weren't real babies plastic imagine if that makes it into the podcast oh we're gonna cut a lot of this one Taylor have you ever tried to use the plastic babies as currency like get a cup of coffee like how many babies do I owe you The hardest part about this show is the running jokes when they run out of a cuttable segment.

1:12:08We can't cut the segment anymore. So like, you know what I'm saying? So like this part might suck, but we brought up dead babies. Well, no one said dead babies, Jared. Jared. Someone did say dead babies. No. There was not real babies and there was plastic babies, Jared. Somebody said dead babies. Oh my God. I believe it was Matt. In my imagination, they were only suffering. I now have all five submissions. Let's play a game of namespace conflict. There is a repo on GitHub called Firecrawl. Here are six potential taglines for Firecrawl. Number one, crawling through firewalls since 2001. Number two, a full text search capabilities for build for Firebase.

1:12:53Number three, the missing search solution for Firebase. number four turn entire websites into llm ready markdown or structured data scrape crawl and extract with a single api number five firefox extension for crawling urls and number six monitoring for firebase websites gosh there you have six potential taglines we'll start with carol I'm going to go with the LLM one. It's like a really long one, you know? We move to Matt. I'm going to go for a crawling URLs extension in Firefox. Please. And I'll lock that in now. I'd like to lock in that answer. Do we do lock in answers? Do we have to lock in answers or are we good?

1:13:40Matt is locked in on the Firefox extension. There have been changes before, so locking in is actually appreciated. Okay, can I change it thereafter if I've locked in? No, you've locked in. Move on. Jared here in the editing room. At this moment, Taylor's power cut out and he dropped offline. Thankfully, he scrambled and got reconnected using his phone. So he just skipped him and went on to Thomas. Taylor does make it back before the end of the round, but he missed some guesses, which explains why he just blindly picks the second one. Okay, hope that helps. Okay, we move to Thomas. Yes. I believe that this is a monitoring solution for Firebase.

1:14:25I like that idea. All right. Well, I haven't locked it in yet. Why would you need to monitor Firebase if it's run by Google? Because maybe they stopped running it? They might just stop running it. It's just to check to see whether or not they're still running it. I mean, if you really trust them. like is it down yeah yeah yeah I'll stick with it I'll stick with it monitoring for Firebase websites goes to Thomas I mean go to Adam it's not the Vim but better one Vim but better Vim but better it was the number one Vim but better no that was my other option I guess Firewalls. You were going to write that maybe.

1:15:13I was going to write that. Firewalls is number one. Firewalls. Getting through firewalls. Firewalls. What did Carol say? Wherever Carol went, I'm going. I'm following you, Carol. She went with the LLM. I went with the long one. Why do you like that one? Because I was like, we're not going to write like three sentences, but I bet the real person wrote three sentences. You know? It was just like a long. Yeah. It just seemed like a long thing to write. It's not Vim, but better. I'm going to go with Carol. Okay. Adam goes with Carol. We might need a new song that is not about piling on. It's about piggybacking.

1:15:46Taylor, it's your turn. What are you thinking for Firecrawl? The second one. Good choice. He's going to go with Vimba better. Number two, full-text search capabilities build for Firebase. Taylor goes with that one. All right. So we can start with the Firefox extension. Matt thought maybe it was a Firefox extension for crawling URLs. That was Adam's tagline. One point for Adam. That's good. Nice one, Adam. Thomas wanted monitoring for Firebase websites, even though he knew there'd be no reason to have it if you have Google monitoring it. But he picked it anyways, and that was Taylor. So one point for Taylor.

1:16:26And Taylor went for full text search for Firebase. That one was Matt's. One point for Matt. Sorry. Matt you and I had pretty similar submissions yeah I think we think more alike than you feel comfortable admitting and won't ever never he knows it's you because he like senses a piece of himself maybe yeah I mean Carol said it so it's got to be true yeah she has a PhD meanwhile Carol went for the long one the LLM one and Adam piggybacked which is not exactly a pylon it's more of a piggyback I wish I need a song of its own But they are correct. Yes! So that is the actual definition and the tagline for fire crawl.

1:17:11It turns your entire website into LLM ready markdown or structured data. It's so freaking long. Carol gets two. Adam gets two plus the one he already got. So he gets three for the round. Adam's in it to win it. Oof. How close am I to winning? After round five. 12 points. You have eight. Matt has 10. Carol has 12. She's within striking distance. We're only halfway through the rounds. Meanwhile, Thomas and Taylor tied in last with four. Can I tell you guys about a cocktail I used to make? What kind was it? Do we get a pick? It's two shots of fireball and LaCroix. Pomplamoose LaCroix. Did you call it a fire crawl?

1:17:50You should. Something like that, yeah. Yeah, cool. Good name. Okay. Taylor's pining for bonus points, but he's not going to get a bonus point for that. We move now to round six. This is non-stem. And it's also a bit nonsense. This word is a tough one. Round six, your word is... Cuomo Dokkenkais. Oh, gosh. Cuomo Dokkenkais. That's one way to pronounce it. There are a few other pronunciations, but I won't try them. You gotta spell that one on the chat. This word is spelled Q-U-O-M-O-D-O-C-U-N-Q-U-I-Z-E. Cuomo Dokkenkais. we'll find out if it's in an old book carol right when she was a kid right after this the children's book actually

1:18:43we got a real stumper here everybody's faces look forlorn yeah the joy is gone from my thinking face no you know i'm still a pretty easygoing guy Thomas it's okay you don't need to defend that I'm sorry it's not a performance because he's tied for last I used to be a champion you used to be a contender I could have been a contender there's a new doctor in town she's gone beyond a masters and she's gone all the way to doctors that would be a good title for this one the doctor is in she has one up to me because I only have the masters she has the doctorate. That's kind of why we invited her. You're sick of your pomp and circumstance.

1:19:30What are you going to do next? What's beyond doctor? Two doctors? President. President? President-elect. Jeez, man. Cuomo Dokkenkais. That might be not how you say it. I don't know. It was really hard to get consensus on pronunciation. Yeah, because no one needs this word. Well, we'll find out what it means. You need it right now in order to win this game. To be fair, I've used it quite a lot so far today, actually. Now you mention it. Be careful, we'll make you sing a song about it. None of us want that to happen. I can't even pronounce it. Carol is within striking distance. She only needs three points to win.

1:20:08I have Taylor's and Carol's and Thomas's. Did Carol get it right? I haven't read hers yet. If I did, it was by accident.

1:20:22Somehow. I accidentally used my master's degree today. Got it in your hopes. Just by accident, I was right again. Mm-hmm. Can't even get it wrong. You try to get it wrong. You try, but sometimes you just squirrel docking ties. Pulled a Carol today. Got it right. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Carol J. Always right. The J stands for right. The J stands for right. That's kind of like a Trump sounding laugh. I felt like I was channeling somebody there. Oh. Carol J. it was yeah always right always right people are saying everyone knows I wouldn't call her right all right we have six definitions for Cuomo Dokkenkais and they're all over the board which makes sense because you can't make much sense of this word if anybody got this right not even Carol number one a political theory of history wherein technology leads to changes in the status quo.

1:21:25Number two, to make money by any means possible. Number three, the moon's last defense against humanity. That one. Number four, the process of changing the features at rest of a movable object. Number five, when thrust reaches its maximum output, producing the greatest possible force to propel the vehicle. And number six, the process of documenting organizational procedures, quotas, and financial records for legal purposes. There you have six potential definitions for Cuomo Dokkenkais. We start with Carol. Can you repeat the first three? First three? That was a lot of work, you know. I know, I'm sorry.

1:22:16It's okay. It's a long word. It's a long, you know, a lot of definitions. It is. There's a lot. This is a lot. And there's a lot on the line here. I mean, you're trying to win this game right now. Okay. Yeah. I feel like people, people really got wordy here. All right, go. All right. Number one was the political theory of history, wherein technology leads to changes in the status quo. Number two was to make money by any means possible. And number three was the moon's last defense against humanity. Tito wants me to choose three, so I'm just going to skip that one. Do you want to hear the other three?

1:22:52All right. Number four, the process of changing the features at rest of a movable object. Number five, when thrust reaches its maximum output, producing the greatest possible force to propel the vehicle. And number six, the process of documenting organizational procedures, quotas, and financial records for legal purposes.

1:23:16saying the word again doesn't help I know that's all I can do I'm debating between 2 and 5 what's your thought process looking like I don't even remember what I honestly don't know I can't even remember what 2 was and what 5 was well 2 was the make money one and 5 was the thrust one I feel like it's not I'm going to go with 2 I don't know I don't like that Oh, I don't know. Okay, we'll just go with it. It's fine. Are you locking it in? I know it's not one. It can't be one. Okay, it's two. I'm going to say two. We'll lock it in. We'll lock it in. She's locking it in two. Sorry, F it. Bleep it. Go.

1:23:53She's saying bleep it, and she's going with two. Okay, we're moving out of Thomas. Okay. I feel like this is, it's not a STEM thing. So I actually think it's the documenting. Thank you for that validation. Yeah, yeah. No. I think it's documenting the process of an organization. that sounds right to me alright, that's number 6 locked it in, we go to Matt now Matt, can you tell which one was mine? because you said you could, by Vibes alone well I won't reveal it now but yes you think you know yeah, yeah, yeah this is a tough one some of them are STEM and he did say it wasn't a STEM one it's more like not STEM I don't buy the, I don't think I buy that.

1:24:42I think that legal one is, I was thinking of coming up with some lie like that. So that's probably the one I think is, did you just go for that one, Thomas? Yes, I did. You did. And he locked it in, so you can't convince him otherwise. No, well, he wouldn't want to if he doesn't think it's the right answer. The moon one's obviously absolutely ridiculous. That person should probably be ashamed of themselves. Or extremely proud. Well, I think, yeah, all that. I think we're leaning more towards the pride side of that. This person is really proud. Can I just pass? I don't know. Can you pass? You can't get any points.

1:25:16Yeah. I mean, you just don't get any points. Oh. I might as well pick one. I prefer you just pick one. Yeah, you might as well just pick one. Come on, man. Play the game. You have nothing to lose. I'll go for the money one, then. I'll go for the money one. The money one? All right. Random. Always go for the money, I guess, if you don't have anything else to do. Okay, Taylor. Moving thing. The moving vehicle. The movable object? Moving object, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Process of changing the features at rest of a movable object or the possible force to propel the vehicle. It's the movie. No, that one's fake, dude.

1:25:48No, that one's fake. I feel like those two are Thomas and Matt. Now we go to Adam. Last one, Adam. My choice is not my choice. My choice is Carol's choice. You're just a piggybacker. Yeah. You guys are going to feel really sad when I got it wrong. well it's you know there's only two non-stem ones there right and it was not stem so but there's three non-stem if i have to choose a route of limited abilities and choices i'm going to go with the one that has uh 12 points that carol picked yeah okay well i think piggybacking is a good way to finish second or third you know but it's not a good way to beat somebody yeah because you're always going to just be where you are plus their points that's right anyways at least I'm coming up it's a strat it's just not a good one okay but it was a good one this round because that is absolutely the right definition it is to make money by any means possible oh I fluked it too I knew it wasn't the sixth one because that was mine oh it was really good that's why I was like well I know it's not that one so yeah I don't know why have we not heard that word before.

1:26:56That seems like a word that Cuomo Docencais Cuomo Docencais? Now this is a Latin word from the 1600s It's absolutely dead. No one uses it anymore But that's what it used to mean It's because you're mispronouncing it Well that's entirely possible How do you pronounce it? Well back in those days money was called keys or quees and it's actually Cuomo Docenquees Oh that changes everything. It's to acquire all the quees I just made that up Yeah, he did. He told me that. Yeah, man. I've already put that in long-term memory. Yeah, that's in there. Brain science BS. You need to purge that. In the garbage collector.

1:27:36So that means that Adam scores two, Matt scores two, Carol scores two, but then she also just confessed that hers was number six, which Thomas selected, so she scores three. Gosh, Carol. And Taylor picked Matt's, and that scores three because the movable object was Matt's. So both Matt and Carol score three. So after six rounds of play, Matt has 13 points, which is right on the doorstep of our winner, Carol, who has 15 points from noob to master. Congratulations. Moral of the story is remember the books you read as children, kids. Yes. Yeah. I got to go back to childhood and read more. Or time travel back to childhood and read more.

1:28:18Yeah. Go to the store and buy books, not babies. I'm going to buy loads of kid books just to catch up. I feel like I'm behind. You can read them really fast. Yeah, that's true. Although I'd struggle with some of the longer reads. They're pretty easy to read, yeah. Cuomo docking guys. Like Cuomo docking guys. Yeah. All right. Well, congratulations to our winner. Yay! And I think she got round one correct, round two pre-correct, round three pre-correct, round four correct, round five correct, round six correct. She didn't miss a single one. I'm beginning to think there's value to education here.

1:28:52Logic. You've utterly dominated. Wait, how close am I to winning? Taylor, you have four points. So close. I could still come back, right? Yeah. Well, if there's more game to play, perhaps. Next time. Next time, we'll just not invite Carol back so that other people have a chance. Oh, that's what I said about Thomas last time. Yeah, and you said that about Taylor, too. Yeah, that's what you said. But now we need to bring somebody in who could beat Carol. and apparently there's like levels of skill at this and we just found someone at a whole new level wasn't i the one that invited carol dude oh yeah that was a mistake what were you thinking she didn't seem smart when i was talking i know it's it's all an act sorry i don't know you proved it out here today now we do have a couple more does anybody got ahead we got a couple more rounds that i prepared maybe we can play them for the bonus people or does anybody want to do it yeah They want to bonus it out.

1:29:45Yeah. I don't go on call for another hour. Okay. Maybe an extended winner maybe, you know. Is it possible to go beyond and beat Carol? Played a 20? Sudden death? Played a 20. Yeah. We're going to nullify her victory and see if anybody can beat her to 20. Rude. No, let's just wipe the slate clean. Carol won the game. Now we're all back at zero. And we will just play a few more rounds and see what happens. Nice. Because I put a lot of work into this round seven. Is this for changelog plus people? Yeah, take your clothes off. Oh my gosh. It's the wrong kind of place. I was trying to help him plug.

1:30:22This is not only Changelog. This is Changelog Plus Plus. Should we Plus Plus this? Oh yeah. Milk them. Get the money. Milk them. Yeah, Plus Plus it. Okay. For you regular listeners, the show is over. Yeah. We hope you enjoyed Pound to Fine. Carol wins. Sucks. Matt only sang one song, but we got to get them to sing some more during the plus plus portion. If you're not a plus plus member, well, let's fix that bug. You know, go to changel.com slash plus plus sign up, make your own feed. No ads. Matt Ryer singing more songs. Taylor making a comeback and winning. I don't actually know what's going to happen, but it's going to be good.

1:31:01So there you go. Taylor, you didn't have to take your shirt off. Put it back on. Dude, I thought he said ads. Ads. Abs. Abs. I said no ads. Abs. Abs. Abs. I wasn't referring to your abs. Oh, ab. I heard abs. I'm sorry. Yeah. Same thing for me because I'm ripped. I sell ad space on my abs. So get in touch. Six little abs. That's actually not a bad idea. Six little ads. It's kind of like the million dollar website, you know, like there's little each pixel. Each one of your little abs could be a dollar. I loved that when I was a kid. You could buy an ab box. Buy one of Matt Reier's abs. Yep. I don't know.

1:31:36You can sponsor it. You're not buying it. You don't get it. No. You're sponsoring it. You're not getting it. You can't have it. I checked. we can't do that well if you're an organ donor I don't think they take abs I don't think that's what the card means quick let's get hey I mean some of us that would be amazing some of us could use a little help you know get on the list got an ab transplant don't worry about it yeah this guy's just died in a horrific accident but he's got great abs and a good back quick get his strong back get his strong back Just a rich 90-year-old. He's got an amazing back now.

1:32:15Okay, let's wrap this so we can start the next round. Bye, friends. Yes, goodbye, friends. Goodbye. Bye.

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1:34:34I'm gonna choose that too What sandwich you having for lunch, baby? I don't know. I just want to know. I'm not gonna copy it. What kind of... It's better.