Friendly Feud: JS Party Edition (Friends)

0:14Welcome to Change Log and Friends, a weekly game show about new slang. Thanks, as always, to our partners at Fly. The public cloud built for developers who ship. Learn all about it at fly.io. Okay, let's play.

0:41Well, friends, I'm here with Scott Dietzen, CEO of Augment Code. Augment is the first AI coding assistant that is built for professional software engineers and large code bases. That means context aware, not novice, but senior level engineering abilities. Scott Flex for me, who are you working with? Who's getting real value from using Augment Code? So we've had the opportunity to go into hundreds of customers over the course of the past year and show them how much more AI could do for them. companies like Lemonade, companies like Kodem, companies like Lineage and Webflow. All of these companies have complex code bases.

1:20If I take Kodem, for example, they help their customers modernize their e-commerce infrastructure. They're showing up and having to digest code they've never seen before in order to go through and make these essential changes to it. We cut their migration time in half because they're able to much more rapidly ramp, find the areas of the code base, the customer code base that they need to perfect and update in order to take advantage of their new features. And that work gets done dramatically more quickly and predictably as a result. OK, that sounds like not novice, right? Sounds like senior level engineering abilities.

1:54Sounds like serious coding ability required from this type of AI to be that effective. 100%. You know, these large code bases, when you've got tens of millions of lines in a code base, you're not going to pass that along as context to a model. right? That would be so horrifically inefficient. Being able to mine the correct subsets of that code base in order to deliver AI insight to help tackle the problems at hand. How much better can we make software? How much wealth can we release and productivity can we improve if we can deliver on the promise of all these feature gaps and tech depth? AIs love to add code into existing software.

2:33You know, our dream is an AI that wants to delete code, make the software more reliable rather than bigger. I think we can improve software quality, liberate ourselves from tech debt and security gaps and software being hacked and software being fragile and brittle. There's a huge opportunity to make software dramatically better, but it's going to take an AI that understands your software, not one that's a novice. Well, friends, Augment taps into your team's collective knowledge, your code base, your documentation, dependencies, the full context. You don't have to prompt it with context. It just knows.

3:07Ask it the unknown unknowns and be surprised. It is the most context aware developer AI that you can even tap into today. So you won't just write code faster. You'll build smarter. It is truly an ask me anything for your code. It's your deep thinking buddy. It is your stay in flow antidote. And the first step is to go to augmentcode.com. That's A-U-G-M-E-N-T-C-O-D-E.com. create your account today start your free 30-day trial no credit card required once again augment code.com we are here for a friendly feud so friendly now we used to have a game called front end feud and in fact adam you had a really cool soundbite that you made for us where you said oh yeah it's time to play front end feud i can't do it yeah but we need a new one for friendly feud so i thought maybe we'd just like live workshop that here you want to sure let's give us one it's time to play friendly feud not bad okay give us three more no one's all you get all right well we are here to play friendly feud and we brought some friends with us in fact we brought our js party people what's up y 'all hey hey hoi hoi hello hello to name them and shame them we have nick nisi you heard that hoi hoi we have k-ball amy is here nml back from outer space back from the loop i i need my own changelog and friends show to kind of catch you up with all the things that's been happening in my life really so many there's so many good things to dig deep on i think and um but yeah back back and of course bone skull chris hiller how you doing man he delivers every time he delivers every so exciting i'm the resident curmudgeon well Well, Friendly Feud is a game not of wits, but of vibe reading.

5:22I don't know. Your job is to answer these questions in the same way that our audience already answered these questions. So maybe you took our Friendly Feud survey. You probably did. We had almost 200 people take it. And we asked a whole bunch of questions. and now we're going to see which team can accurately figure out what our audience thinks. So our teams today are divided as thus. We have team zero and team sub zero, technically, because it's a zero indexed array, is Adam, Amy, and Chris. Good luck to you. Thank you. Team sub one is Nick, Amel, and K-Ball. Hello, we're number one. Before we commence round one, I thought maybe you would like to talk trash to each other for a minute or two.

6:16That man bun looks so cool. Of course, Adam's referring to Nick's game board avatar. If you are an audio only listener, don't worry. You can listen right along. But this is one of those episodes where it's pretty good to have video because we will have a game board live the entire game. So check it out at youtube.com slash changelog. And you can see Nick Niecy's man bun, which is cute, Nick. Amazing. Thank you, Jared. I like it, honestly. It's kind of, it suits you, Nick. I'm imagining maybe you just ate a bite of hamburger and it accidentally had mustard on it or something like that. And you're making a face like in disgust.

6:58Is that what happened? Pretty much. Yeah. My daughter did my hair, so only positive things to say about it. Okay. Mayonnaise, mustard, ketchup. What's your thing on burgers, Nick? This is the worst trash talk I've ever heard. What's your thing on burgers? Nothing. I've never had ketchup or mustard or any other thing. I just have them plain. What? Because I am a functioning six-year-old. I was going to say. A boring human. Amy, will you please talk some trash at these people and say, like we're going to win or you guys stink or something. Well, the last time Adam and I were on a team together, we did win.

7:36We did win. Yes. Last minute in clutch, unrecorded. We won't say any more. That's true. Well, let's see what happens. Let's see what happens. We have seven rounds of play each round. We will have two people face off and get a chance to guess first. Whoever gets the highest answer on the board gets to play that round. Their team then takes over. They get a guess until they have three strikes. That's three wrong guesses. At which point the other team can confer amongst themselves and steal that round's points by guessing one of the remaining answers that are on the board. Generally speaking, an answer only makes the board if it has five or more responses.

8:22There's a couple of rounds for which that's not true, but we'll address those as we get there. any questions about how the game works before we dive in around one so what's the genre like of questions here like is this like existential questions about like life or like like what's the genre like how can i mentally prepare for what's ahead of me i would say the genre is developer life okay dev life but not friends right because i'll fail it's friendly feud before it was front end feud it's just developer life you know we are broader than front end I know but not into friends I don't know what that is do you have to guess first like or do you press a button or something so because of internet latency which we've already enjoyed some today we do not do timed guessing we do rotational guessing so we'll give each team a chance to guess first but during the face off I will just name the person who guesses first make sense and then how and how do we work as a team like do we get to kind of confer with each like collaborate with each other or that's right only during the steel moment ah at any other time you just shut your trap and hope your teammates awesome and no googling no clodding you cannot deep seek you cannot shallow seek we just sit we enjoy and we see who wins sound good this is like a strictly like hands on deck situation like you know hands up in the air like you know like we need fingers where you can see them you know okay how do we talk amongst each other like just here in the chat here or the the conversation well during the conferring you say it out loud so that we can all hear it you know like you you think out loud and then during the guessing you don't talk unless it's your turn i feel like you guys are asking questions just to mess with me at this point no no that's the serious one because like if we if we start guessing or talking amongst each other the other teams here's the the you know our insights well they're done at that point don't worry i'll direct how it's going to work they don't have a chance to do anything they're done they've had three strikes i see i understand okay cool the flow it's a flow let's move into round one and our face off for round one will between will be between adam and nick step right up now you don't actually step anywhere because we're just here in a virtual environment a virtual step point all right round one we asked our listeners what's the first robot that comes to your mind what is the first robot that comes to your mind the top six answers are on the board and because he's a guest now we will let nick guess first nick what do you think they said hmm i'm gonna go with r2d2 r2d2 is it on the board yes sir and it is the number one answer with 22 responses good job i'm so glad to know that i'm basic like because i had the same i would have i would have had the same guess so this is great are you just called our entire listening audience basic as well so thank you for that basic minds shared oh gotcha basic minds think alike yeah so that means nick's team because he hit number one adam doesn't even get a chance to guess adam can just sit there and be remorseful and team sub one gets to play this round so nick went first you got the first item on the board r2d 222 points there are six total which means there's five left we go now to amel what's the first robot that comes to your mind you cannot say r2d2 literally i i'm telling i'm i'm predictable and like yeah i rtd2 would have been my answer um the next thing that came to mind was jibo which i don't think anybody even remembers that thing existed um this is going to sound like a really silly answer but chat bot can we can i can can i answer chat bot even though that's like not a specific bot but it's a you certainly can but did our listeners type into the text field chat bot let's see if it's on the board no sorry but that one is not a top six answer that's one strike to your team we go now to k-ball i mean i am terrible at this thing but the thing that strung sprung to my mind was i iRobot.

12:57iRobot the Great. Well, that was a movie title. Well, based off a book, right? I don't even know what it is. It's just that's what came to my mind. I won't say the robot's name then because that is memorable. All right. Well, K-Ball goes with iRobot. Did it make the top six? Sorry, but it also was not on the list. Nick, you have a lot to choose from. There's five answers left on the board, but your team has two strikes, which means if you get this wrong, it's time to steal. What do you think? Well, I know what I want to answer, but I'm not going to do it. So I'm going to say I'm just going to stay with the theme.

13:34C-3PO. Show us C-3PO. Oh, my goodness. A complete strikeout with zero correct answers except R2-D2. That means Team Zero, there are 22 points on the board, and you have lots of opportunity to get them because there's five robots left that have not been said out loud. Now, you three can confer. So talk amongst yourselves. You'll get the 22 points plus whatever you score with this particular guess if you get one. What do you think? I have a couple in mind. We only have one guess? Correct. Okay. We're conferring, right? Yes, we are conferring. Yeah. Johnny number five. Wally. Rosie. Oh, yeah. Let's go Wally.

14:20Sunny from iRobot. Thank you, K-Ball. How now? 9 ,000. How 9000 Jarvis Jarvis yes Which one's on the board though All of these sound vaguely familiar to me But I would not have been able to generate any Marvin the paranoid android The audience is young So Johnny 5 is not on the board I don't think Let's go WALL-E I'm thinking WALL-E But no I mean it's just It would seem to be like the most I don't know Alright final answer What do y 'all think What are you going with What other famous robot is out there? What about like the Boston Dynamics ones? Does that have names? Robot Dog. Those are pretty famous in the geek world.

15:07I'm thinking Wally though. I think Wally's probably. Yeah, go for Wally. Wally's a good one. All right. Wally for the steal. Is it there? Yes, it is. And it is the number two answer. That's right. 20 respondents. That means Team Sub-Zero steals 42 points. We should be able to get some more points. I'm sure our other options were there. Well, let's see what else is there. At number six, we have Bender. Bender, of course. Of course. Futurama fame. Seven people said Bender. In slot five, there's Rosie. Sure got that one. Eight people picked Rosie from the Jetsons. Roomba. Roomba. We named our Roomba Rosie.

15:52And at the three slot, Marvin. Oh, yeah. Marvin's pretty good. Yeah. Rosie's spouting correctly. I believe it's an IE, right? It's an IE? Rosie is a really good one. Yeah. These are all, like, fantastic. Yeah. Bender. I love Bender. Bender's awesome. They're, like, all of a different era. Right. Yeah. Which is, I think, the best part. Like, they're so spread. They are, aren't they? It's interesting. Good job, Sub-Zero. Good job, everybody. So, a couple of honorable mentions. So, K-Ball, you guessed iRobot. Four people said iRobot, so you were very close. Three people said the one from Lost in Space, the robot from Lost in Space.

16:32Mr. Robot got three, even though he's not really a robot, right? I almost thought about that one. Yeah. C3PO only had two, so he's nowhere near as beloved as R2-D2. The OpenAI Web Crawler got a shout-out. Was it actually just crawling the survey? and Mark Zuckerberg. Mark Zuckerberg. Mark Zuckerberg? Mark Zuckerberg wasn't crawling the survey, but he has also got a shout out as a robot. So there you go. Oh, yeah. After round one, Team Sub-Zero is in the lead with 42 points, but there's lots of rounds left. So we move around to round two, Amy versus Amel. All right. Now, Team Sub-1 got to go first last round.

17:14So Amy gets to guess first. we asked our listeners what is your favorite file format the top five answers are on the board amy what do you think they said i'm gonna stick with the uh front end theme and go dot ts just for you jared dot ts is it on there if it was i would have deleted it oh nobody likes dot ts everybody knows that nobody likes that a mel fix the number problem it's not a problem it's a feature it's a feature oh my gosh well so this is so funny i i feel like i'm being trolled right now because i'm literally in the middle of a design decision and on some new config files and you know we're like arguing over like yaml versus toml um because obviously nobody wants JSON because you can't do comments.

18:08JSON is for computers, not humans. So I, you know, it's, I, it's between, so, I mean, YAML is great until it's not. Like most things, love, hate relationship. I almost want to say, I want to say Tamil, but I'm not sure how popular it is really um oh my god i also just want to say like dot txt like because like ha ha ha um i don't know let's let's let's uh let's let's let's go with yaml i i feel like yaml's got to be on the board okay you know what can i'm sorry let me go okay fine is it on there we all know it's not on there No, nobody likes the AML. Nobody likes the AML. No, I figured like, you know.

19:02This is their favorite file format. It's not like it's okay. All right, back to you, Amy. We haven't landed yet. So here you get a second chance. I know what my favorite file format is. Let's mix it up. No. Not PS. Not PS. I'm just going to go with the SVG. Let's go for the images. That's not my answer, though. I am going to go with an image, though. Let's try a.png. A p.m. show us ping oh my gosh who takes this survey who takes this uh our lovely audience takes it thank you very much not me well i asked you guys not to take it okay amel's back to you i mean someone's got to get one eventually okay now i'm gonna i'm gonna i'm gonna put i'm gonna say the wrong answer in hopes that it's on the board which is json okay so she thinks maybe json even though you don't think it's your favorite maybe somebody does does anybody think it's their favorite yes they certainly do and it is the number two answer with 27 people love jason yeah yeah i mean nothing wrong with jason it's just it's just not great for humans communicating which is you know what for me would put it into like a favorite um if it's just machines communicating then you know So, yeah, all good.

20:25If it's just machines, you might as well be using a binary format, right, K-Ball? K-Ball, you're up now. You guys take the round. I'm going to go with the ye olde txt file. Show us plain text. Yes, sir. And, man, there it is. Plain text. 24 people. Love it. They love it. They love it. Nick, what do you love? I love plain text, and I love the improvement of plain text that is Markdown. markdown show us markdown number one answer of course everyone's favorite file format 35 people said markdown and they're my friends nick gets it right so far you have 86 points amongst yourselves and zero strikes amel back to you there's two left on the board slots four and five yeah this is awesome because i completely spaced out about markdown because i'm thinking about like what's used you know like at runtime um let's see i wonder if mdx is is on the board you want to lock that in yeah yeah okay sorry i thought i thought i thought you were a question than a statement yeah no i'm sorry show us mdx not dmx everyone's favorite rapper mdx DMX I'm sorry but it's not on there First strike Back to K-Ball Alright well let's see So we got Markdown We got JSON We got Plain Text These are also AI's favorite formats I'm actually going to go I'm going to go a little older school And I'm going to say XML Wow Show us XML Strike two back to Nick.

22:16Nick, it's all on your shoulders here. You gotta save us, Nick. Again? Yes. No commenting. Oh, favorite file format.

22:31We're on a podcast. I'm gonna say MP3. MP3. Is it on there? I'm sorry. It is not. Strike three means we're back where we were last round. Team Sub-Zero. Opportunity to steal. Please confer amongst yourselves. You have the slots four and five. If you hit either one of those, you get all these points and then some. People like GIFs. Yeah, that's what I was going on Bones Call. GIFs. Yeah. It's got to be the one. I mean, that's the one on there, right? We're talking about nerds here. Like, nerds. Come on. You got to get your memes. Maybe like Zip. Zip could be there, but maybe. I'm thinking Jif. All right.

23:14Amy, do you agree with that? I do agree wholeheartedly. All right. For the steal, 86 points on the board. Is it Jif? Don't do it. No, man. It's not, which means those 86 points are awarded to Team Sub 1. Yay, good job. Good job. And they take the lead. Now let's see what was in slots four and five. In the number five slot, we have everyone's favorite file-based database, SQLite. Oh. Six people love SQLite files. That makes sense. Mm-hmm. In all the world. There's lots to like. There's lots to like. There is. I mean, SQL brings like this calm to my nervous system that like nothing else really brings that level of calm when it comes to programming.

24:04Right. SQL is very comforting. And there's some people that have found that in certain circumstances, it's actually faster than the file system. The Mongo people are just rolling in the grave right now. Oh, gosh. And at number four, the other file format that people love is CSV. Oh. I almost said that. It values eight people. Oh, CSV. Yeah, that makes sense. That's a choice. The survey got into a bank or something. No, it does make sense, though. Like, CSVs are awesome, you know. Here's some honorable mentions. So, Toml got four shoutouts. which beat yaml, which got two. Tar, no one said tar. Three people like tar balls.

24:43Amy SVG got three shout outs. Only two people said gif and nobody said jif because that's not how you say it. And then finally one person said the one with code in it. That's their favorite file format is the one with code in it. Okay. After two rounds, team sub one is in the lead, Almost doubling. No, more than doubling. Team zero's points. 86 for team one and 42 for team zero. Seven rounds, right? Seven rounds. We move now to round three. Of course, we asked, what is your favorite file format? We also would love to know, what is your least favorite file format? This round starts off with a face-off between K-Ball and Chris.

25:30Step right up. k-ball you get you get to go first this round what do you think is our listeners least favorite i'm gonna bring it back we're gonna throw xml out there again oh my god you guessed xml for favorite now you might think it's the least favorite is it on the board least favorite let's see it yes siri bob and it is the least favorite of all people 28 Eight respondents despise XML. So we find ourselves in familiar territory. Team one is playing this round as well. Nick, we go to you. There are seven on the board. XML is number one, which means two through seven are still out there.

26:17I am going to, I'm going to say YAML. I think that everybody hates YAML.

26:26this is like the backfire round or i guess last round backfired this round is more accurate because yes yaml the number two response with 25 people despising it amel to you that was not yeah that was gonna be my answer was yaml it's like you know it's functional but you know no one likes to tab um let's see so i'm really tempted to say json because i think like the the you know the the lack of trailing commas and comments is really quite frustrating for many folks um but i don't know um it's between i well i don't want to put multiple answers out there but hmm and i cannot confer with my team right i can't like get advice correct you can attempt but you can't but i can't hmm let's let's put you know what let's put json on the board why not why not show us json number seven five people said json so you now have one two and seven and those middle ones need guessing cable all right i'm gonna go dot doc i was good i was just thinking that show us word docs yes at number four 19 people said they hate word docs to Nick you have you're halfway home actually you're more than halfway home you got four of seven numbers three five and six still available okay we have YAML we have docs we have JSON XML I know TypeScript won't be on there so wow because people aren't thinking about it that's a register productive oh my god I've like really I've like missed Nick troll like being trolled by Jared so much and the other way around right and the other way around yeah the circle you know they're like a Tom and Jerry situation you know I think the real question is who's Tom and who's Jerry you know it's like a roadrunner in Wile E.

28:33Coyote we all know which one I am me me the coyote see how slow you were on that he's on they'll drop on your head just now yeah totally alright Nick what do you got if I go with my previous thinking that bankers took this survey then I'm gonna say the text files show us text files strike yes alright Amal the demise begins i i think i'm gonna say excel slash spreadsheet slash csv basically they're all they're all like three in their proprietary or non-proprietary version of the same thing you know um we'll pick one well i mean do i have to well you said slash spreadsheet i mean is that a file open spreadsheet is a thing um all right so i i think I think let's do, yeah, CSV.

29:45Okay, CSV was in the list of favorite file formats. Are you sure? Oh, my God. Stop making me doubt myself. Hold on. I'm not sure. It's on there. It's on there? Okay. I was messing with you. I was trolling you. I was like, oh, no. It's been too long. Number six. Oh, yay. Six people do not like it. Oh, shoot. Did you say CSV? i mean i i was just there like okay excel csv spreadsheet like same family same category okay come on oh well she said all three she said i did i really did in all fairness i forgot which one she actually it's the same number of points either way it doesn't matter they have to get this one they have to get this one i feel like this game is a little biased right like to steal you only have to get one right but if we're we got to run the table exactly that's how the game works take it with steve marvie you know i didn't design this game all right cable we got already on the board we have xml yaml word csv excel and json and the question is what's missing that's a least favorite that's right i'm kind of i'm pondering pdf i feel like that might be up there um yeah i'm gonna go with that i'm gonna say pdf like pdf more than yaml but less than word you know i feel like i i actually suspect this has a lot to do with like how much people are exposed to it and also how much annoying it is to modify and dealing with pdfs like the tooling has gotten better but i bet that's still up there so i'm gonna i'm gonna put pdf out there all right is pdf that missing number three of the seven least favorite file formats he got it nice with 20 respondents not liking pdf i think that's exactly right cable we know about it and we've tried to program with it and it sucks to work with i also love it when websites just stick PDFs like on the website and it's like you can't select text you can't like get it you know there's no indexing or searching of the content it's it's rough rough times we were just talking a couple weeks ago with Bert Hubert or Hubert I can't say his name appropriately who makes a government tracking website in the Netherlands and he was just doing the opposite of singing PDFs praises.

32:13He was just saying how bad PDF is to work with and a lot of governments you know even with FOIA and whatever kind of stuff where the documents are supposed to be public, they just throw PDFs out because they know it's harder to work with. Where it's like at that point I would love XML even though I hate it compared to PDF so I'm actually surprised but XML is top of mind I think when you think of things you don't like. What we really need for like non-programmers is like Webflow you know something that like can make something pretty and easy and but like you get all the benefits of the you know it being structured html it spits out you know but yeah dreamweaver yeah i think you're right dreamweaver i was gonna say was that a product placement ml that was really good you're like what we what we really need is webflow

33:08not paid or sponsored by so I think we're getting away from the topic which is we are dominating so we need to get back on the topic of our domination and give team zero a chance to show their zeros and now people's getting alive I mean I was waiting for y 'all to pick up the trash talk and nobody was filling it in the only reason you guys won that round is because Jared gave you the bonus, okay? You'd have faltered on the bonus. CSV and XL are not the same. She got two for one. They had strikes to spare. They had strikes to spare. Okay, after we were going to award, this is 109 points now going over there to Team 1.

33:47And after round three, it's starting to look like a wipeout. Team 1 has 195 and Team 0 has 42. There's lots of rounds left. We move now to round four. Well, friends, I'm here with a good friend of mine, David Hsu, the founder and CEO of Retool. So, David, I know so many developers who use Retool to solve problems, but I'm curious. Help me to understand the specific user, the particular developer who is just loving Retool. Who's your ideal user? Yeah, so for us, the ideal user of Retool is someone whose goal, first and foremost, is to either deliver value to the business or to be effective. Where we candidly have a little bit less success is with people that are extremely opinionated about their tools.

34:41If, for example, you're like, hey, I need to go use WebAssembly, and if I'm not using WebAssembly, I'm quitting my job, you're probably not the best Retool user, honestly. However, if you're like, hey, I see problems in the business and I want to have an impact and I want to solve those problems, Retool is right up your alley. And the reason for that is Retool allows you to have an impact so quickly. You could go from an idea, you go from a meeting like, hey, you know, this is an app that we need to literally having the app built in 30 minutes, which is super, super impactful on the business. So I think that's the kind of partnership or that's the kind of impact that we'd like to see with our customers.

35:14You know, from my perspective, my thought is that, well, Retool is well known. Retool is somewhat even saturated. I know a lot of people who know Retool, but you've said this before. What makes you think that Retool is not that well-known? Retool today is really quite well-known amongst a certain crowd. I think if you had a poll like Engineers in San Francisco or Engineers in Silicon Valley, even, I think you'd probably get like a 50, 60, 70 % recognition of Retool. I think where you're less likely to have heard of Retool is if you're a random developer for a random company in a random location, like the Midwest, for example, or like a developer in Argentina, for example, you're probably less likely.

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36:59This is the inverted round. The inverted round works differently. There's no face off. We just toggle back and forth between teams with an opportunity to guess. The question that we asked our listener is name the first protocol that comes to your mind. However, in the inverted round, you get more points for matching further down the board. So the number one answer is worth the least amount of points. And the number five answer is worth the most amount of points. Since he's been sitting quietly most of the game, we will let Adam go first. Sorry. What? Fantastic. The look on Adam's face is just priceless.

37:46You know, it's just priceless. Well, what do you think, Adam? The first protocol that comes to your mind, but actually the fifth first. You know what I'm saying? The fifth first? Oh, gosh. Well, if you want more points, you got to get down the board. If you want not as many points, you name the actual first protocol. What the heck is a protocol? Hmm. In particular? Well, there's no follow up questions on the survey. So it's however they interpret it. That's like a good name for a memoir. You know, what the hell is a protocol? I didn't say hell. Oh, you didn't say hell. It's a protocol. She's spicing up your biography.