Good Good Golf: The YouTubers Saving the Golf Industry

29 Oct 2024 · 1 h 5 min

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Episode Title

Good Good Golf: The YouTubers Saving the Golf Industry

Podcast Description In this episode, Colin and Samir interview members of Good Good Golf (Garrett, Colin, and Max) about the inception of their channel, the rise of golf on YouTube, and their journey in creating a successful golf apparel brand.

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Key Themes and Discussions

Introduction

  • The episode begins with Colin and Samir discussing Microsoft Copilot and its potential for content creation.
  • The hosts introduce the guests from Good Good Golf: Garrett, Colin, and Max.

The Inception of Good Good Golf

  • Good Good Golf was established in 2020 as a response to the traditional and often dull portrayal of golf.
  • Founders Garrett and Colin shared their experiences from social media and how they transitioned into video content creation on YouTube.
  • Emphasis on the need to make golf entertaining and relatable led them to create engaging and personality-driven content.

The Growth of Golf on YouTube

  • Good Good Golf has been pivotal in popularizing golf on YouTube by introducing unique challenges and ensemble content.
  • They discussed how the blend of gaming elements with golf and personality-driven narratives attracted a younger audience.
  • Mentioned how established personalities in tech and entertainment, like MKBHD, recognize and enjoy their content.

Content Creation Strategy

  • They focus on creating longer videos (1-3 hours), which reinforces audience connection through personality and storytelling.
  • The conversation highlights the importance of authenticity in content, contrasting traditional polished productions with the more casual, relatable style of Good Good.
  • The guests noted that viewers appreciate the behind-the-scenes moments and personal interactions, which build a deeper connection with the audience.

Apparel Business

  • Good Good launched its apparel line in April 2021, marking a significant moment for the brand.
  • They aimed to combine quality with their brand identity, ultimately selling out quickly.
  • The hosts discuss the balance between being a content-focused company and a profitable apparel brand.

Challenges and Opportunities

  • The team acknowledges the challenges of maintaining creative control while growing the brand.
  • Discussion of the competitive landscape of golf content creators, including the saturation of editing styles and the importance of innovation.
  • The creators express concern about maintaining their unique voice in an increasingly crowded market.

Future Aspirations

  • The group expresses a desire to establish Good Good as a lasting brand in the golf industry that can compete with established companies over time.
  • They discuss the potential for scalability and expansion into other areas of the golf market, including partnerships with golf equipment manufacturers.
  • The conversation touches on the possibility of acquisition or significant outcomes in the future, but the focus remains on building a sustainable brand.

Community Engagement

  • The hosts highlight the active community that Good Good has cultivated, including engagement through subreddits.
  • They discuss how personal relationships within the group enhance their content and the overall viewer experience.
  • The episode ends with reflections on personal growth and audience investment in their journeys.

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Key Takeaways

  • Content as Community: Good Good Golf showcases the power of building community through relatable content and ensemble dynamics.
  • Innovative Approach: The creators blend traditional sports entertainment with modern YouTube strategies to capture a wider audience.
  • Quality Over Quantity: Emphasis on quality content leads to sustained viewer engagement.
  • Merch as Identity: Their apparel line is not just merchandise; it represents the brand's identity and connection with its audience.
  • Future Potential: Good Good Golf is positioned to disrupt the golf industry further, with aspirations to become a recognized brand beyond the creators themselves.

Closing Thoughts The episode captures the essence of Good Good Golf's rise in the creator economy, illustrating how passion, strategy, and innovation can transform a niche interest into a vibrant community and successful business.

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0:00The Colin and Samir Show is supported by Microsoft Copilot. This is something I thought I would never say, but can I share with you my favorite prompt? I mean, like when you say something like that, I have to say yes. Were you going to say no? No, but okay. Just let me hear it. So when I'm researching for a guest or I need to know a lot about a subject matter, I say, make me a podcast about. And when you do that, you're going to get a short blurb about that subject. And then in like two minutes, you're going to get a podcast. So check this out. Welcome to Co-Pilot Podcasts. Picture this, a guy working the front desk at a hotel, making lacrosse videos in his spare time, completely unaware that he's about to become one of the most influential voices in the creator economy.

0:38Today, we're diving into the remarkable story of Colin Rosenblum. Wow. Did you pay it to say that? That's crazy. That's very kind. It's crazy, but it's my favorite way to learn about a subject matter. I'm learning about so much more now that I can turn this research into like a seven minute podcast that I can listen to just when I'm walking. Did you tell it that I worked at the front desk of a hotel? Dude, the prompt is just make me a podcast about Colin from Colin and Samir. That's it. I may be biased, but I'm on the edge of my seat. I'm hooked. So if you guys haven't checked out Copilot, check it out.

1:10Try it for your research. Try it for getting variations of your titles, your ideas. It's one of my favorite tools on the internet right now for our creativity. And now back to the show. We had a title that didn't have a title. It has a million views. Why did you do that? We are creators at heart. The money, you don't want to think about it, but you inevitably have to. Like, you guys brought drama to golf. Why are people that concerned over our lives? Is the traditional golf world excited about you, threatened by you? Because you're solving a problem that's probably to the tune of, like, $50 to$100 million problem.

1:44At the end of the day, like, I want to do videos as long as I physically possibly can. But when that time comes, I hope Good Good can live on and be bigger than me or any other individual. And hopefully that time is no time soon. Today on the Colin and Samir Show, we're joined by Garrett, Colin, and Max from Good Good Golf. Now, we talk a lot about the future of entertainment on this show and how YouTube creators are disrupting traditional media. And honestly, one of the best examples of that happening is golf on YouTube. And that's been led by the guys at Good Good. They've brought a unique YouTube strategy to the world of golf.

2:20Now, there's a lot of creators and celebrities who are major fans of Good Good. So we called MKBHD and asked him to break down what he loves so much about these guys. So I think if you were to do a poll of people who both watch YouTube videos and play golf, the overlap of how many of them all know about the Good Good YouTube channel and watch it from time to time would be massive. And for good reason. These guys are good. They're good at golf, but they're also really good at making videos with golf. They're kind of pioneering this new this new genre on YouTube of like combining things almost like ensemble content and also challenges and also it's obviously games gaming sports it's all in one and I'm not resting on that either they're making you know they're doing live events they're doing collaborations and they're so good at capturing the attention and the eyeballs of golfers and young people around the world that you know it's good when the PGA Tourists pay attention to them and what they're doing so So yeah, it's no surprise that they're sort of this staple, the face of golf on YouTube and have been for a while.

3:26And the branding's pretty good too. Now, these guys are truly one of the best examples of a YouTube first product company. And you'll learn more about that in this episode. After we were done recording, we actually got outfitted in good, good apparel. And we're not golfers, but we wanted to go see what it was like to shoot one of their videos. So we went to a course with them, shot a video with them. If you want to check that out, that's going to be linked in the description.

4:16just make their stores look really good. You could literally be out golfing and you could manage everything about your store from their mobile app. This is everything from managing products, updating the design and uploading product images. And one of the most incredible features that you can now use on the mobile app is Shopify Magic. We just added this green two-tone version of our Press Publish hat to our store and using Shopify Magic, we took a photo of it with our phone and then we replaced the background to make it look like it was in a studio. We also sell all of our publish hats whenever we do an event.

4:48And Shopify makes that a lot easier. They just launched tap to pay on Android. So no matter where you are, if you sell in person, you can sell right through your store. So if you're interested in starting a store, head to shopify.com slash Colin and Samir, or you can scan the QR code on screen. Now for our conversation with Garrett, Colin and Max from Good Good Golf.

5:14Garrett, Colin Max, welcome to the show. Thanks for having us. Thank you. Appreciate it. So Good Good today, there's merch, there's live events, there's the YouTube channel. Bring me back to where you were when even the company gets coined Good Good. Okay. So Good Good was 2020. I had started doing YouTube 20. So I started social media in general, like Instagram 2016. It was what I was saying, just picked up a camera. Uh, we just built like a backyard putting green in Kansas city where I grew up. And so I would just film these random trick shots and stuff, uh, with, you know, some of my friends, my cousin, Micah, uh, Steve lived up the street.

5:57He's now I'm part of good, good, obviously as well. Um, so I did that for, I guess that would have been, Instagram would have been like two years before I ever even thought about doing YouTube. I did more research on YouTube and I realized that it could be more something that could be more sustaining, I guess, because I thought Instagram was a lot of fun, but I felt like the audience couldn't really figure out who you were as a person. They just saw 15 seconds and whatever. The short form content is great from like a promotional standpoint, but nothing beyond that. And so I was going into college golf.

6:34I started filming basically just everything I was doing. I think I had a period where it was, it was at this time it was like all me. And at this period, I think I did like 90 videos in 90 days or something crazy. I just set a goal for myself because I was just like, I want this to work. I love this, like content, YouTube, this is sick. And so I set that goal for like 90 days. I did it. And I think the channel only grew, I think it grew from like$1 ,000 to like$20 ,000 or$18 ,000, which was nothing crazy. But just for me, when I saw that like you could make any sort of money, like it went from you weren't making anything to all of a sudden I just made like$12 in one day doing something that I loved.

7:19I was like obsessed with it. After that, I was like, if I can make$12 at this, This can be an actual, like, sustainable business. How old were you at that time? At that time, I was 18. So I was in college. At that time, I didn't really want to go to college. I just, I don't know what it was. I just thought school wasn't for me. I think school was for a lot of people, but for me specifically, it just wasn't for me. And my dad, he, I guess he kind of gave me a challenge. He gave me a threshold of a certain amount of money that I had to make in order to drop out of college. Because he was obviously, as a father, wanting to be educated and not stupid, which I don't blame him at all.

8:02He's like,$12 is not enough. Right. It's not going to be a business. Exactly. And I think he gave me a summer or something. By the end of that next summer, if I had hit that, then I didn't have to go back to college. What was that goal? I think it was$60 ,000. $60 ,000 in a summer? In, I think, three or four months or something like that. Maybe four or five. I can't remember. But it was, yeah, it was not a crazy span of time. How much had you made when he gave you that ultimatum? I was making$1 ,500 a month, I believe. Okay. Yeah. So, realistically, it seemed like a pipe dream. But I, like, took it as just pure motivation.

8:41And I started watching anything and everything that I could find on YouTube about how you could actually make it on YouTube. And the number one thing that I came across was quality over quantity. And I was doing a bunch of quantity. And I was uploading, like I said, 90 videos in 90 days. But the main thing I saw was if I could upload three or four videos less in one week, and they were all great videos with great thumbnails, great titles, then it would become successful. and so I used that rule of thumb uh me Matt and Steve who Matt and Steve are also a part of good good started filming and we filmed for that summer and uh at at first it was just kind of one of those things like hey do you guys want to join a video like I didn't even think anything of it because we were all just homies like they weren't like trying to do YouTube or anything it was just one of those things you guys just want to join up and like film another golf video and obviously one thing led to another and it turned into a lot more did you guys realize if you're fans of you're fans of golf right like you were watching golf were you watching golf on tv yeah i think yeah did you realize it was boring i don't i don't know how else to put that or that there was yeah you realized it was boring yeah and you saw the opportunity like did you see that opportunity of 100 this can be this should be more entertaining yeah i i mean i grew up every Thanksgiving my grandpa would turn on golf to fall asleep like that was his nap time yeah which I think is very fair it's a great napping sport but yeah I would watch golf and I totally thought it was boring I thought I thought one thing that I've always thought with like pro golf and stuff like that is there's just not enough action for them to not be showing more personality I guess yeah Like with a sport like football, basketball and stuff, it's always fast pace.

10:39You know, you have teams against each other and whatnot. It's super competitive and whatnot. But with golf, it's more slow pace. And you don't like hear the player's thoughts. You don't see what they're thinking and stuff like that. And that's where with YouTube, we had a unique opportunity of showing more personality. And I think that that's something where we took a little bit of that. We took a little bit of like just even thinking, how do you reach outside of the golf world and get a new audience of people like within baseball and stuff? So we I remember that first summer, even like when Colin got involved, I think the first video he edited was Steve's wheel, not a deal on his channel.

11:19And the wheel, not a deal was essentially like we put a bunch of random items on a wheel. And for this one, it was a random ball. So you could be using a golf ball or a basketball and having to hit it with a golf club. And it was very different. And I think people just caught on to it because they're like, OK, I'm not a golfer, but I enjoy basketball. I enjoy soccer. So I'm just going to tune in and see what happens. But yeah. And I think, too, like it was super important that that course that you had close by your house let you do. They like kind of let you run free with those ideas. And it was kind of like a smaller just like par three course.

11:56So they weren't as strict with, hey, you got to be wearing a collared shirt. You got to be, you can't be using a basketball, you know, on the golf course. Yeah. So I think that was probably like a big thing that like any idea you had, you could take it to that course and just do it. I think there was like. Totally. Yeah, I agree. Now you guys have a brand unto itself. Like the name Good Good in a title is almost like its own league, right? You have some titles that are like, Samir was showing me one that says, like, will he come back? Will they come back is the entire title. Obviously, like, the majors, but, like, good, good major Pebble Beach or whatever.

12:33Like, that is not a technically YouTube-optimized title, but you've built the brand in a way where it speaks to an audience that's already there for you, which is pretty amazing. I think it's cool you mention that because that was our goal from the beginning of Good Good. But I think to rewind it a bit, because when I was doing just like my own stuff with Matt and Steve, Colin sends me a DM. He said, like he said, he was a fan. He's like, hey, I can do tracers for you. And I didn't even know what, like, what the hell are tracers? What are you talking about? It's like, basically, I can put a red line on the ball.

13:06You can see it forever. Colin was like the person to basically come up with an unstabilized camera tracer. Because everybody else would do it when it's on a tripod or whatever. And that was easy. you just put it into your phone. It's like kind of not very high quality. Sorry. Some things never go out of style, like trust, reliability, and driving a Toyota. Take the legendary Tacoma and Tundra, perfect for work and adventures. Hurry in. Offers end September 30th. Toyota, let's go places. This episode is brought to you by LifeLock. When you visit the doctor, you probably hand over your insurance, your ID, and contact details.

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14:25Totally. And I'm watching that video, and it immediately made me think of you guys. And I was like, wait, how are they pulling this off on YouTube? It's a lot easier from a post-production stance than a live stance. It's still a lot of pure man hours to get that because I also have a VFX background, so I knew a lot about After Effects, 3ds Max, 3D animation. So I just knew that if I got a 3D track of this camera, I could put a particle system on the ball. I don't even know what you're talking about. Sorry, I'm getting a little crazy. That's why whenever you start talking about camera stuff. Yeah, I go down the rabbit holes.

15:01but that's awesome that's what it takes to like make what you guys have because i was a fan i was watching the videos i was like i can't see the ball half the time like it's landing and i can like kind of see it but i was like it needs a tracer so i ripped one of his videos off youtube put a tracer on it and sent it to him and was like this is what like like i think it'd be cool if you added this to the videos and were you editing at this time gareth i was yeah and so when you see that dm were you like oh this is our guy my first thing i sent to him i was like can you edit full videos because i thought he could just do tracers colin's obviously he's very humble but he's he casually has over a million subscribers on his own channel like prior to anything good good related so like he showed me some of his work i was like what do you do he showed me some of his visual effects works and i was like yeah this looks great we started working together uh the funniest part about this i think we took a bit of time off where colin and i i guess we were just doing different things in life and we weren't like necessarily working every day together and stuff and so we hadn't talked to each other for three or four months probably at that time and then good good uh got brought to me matt and steve and micah at the time about like we want to start this ultra you know golf company like let's make it an actual like business because at that time it was just all content there was no strategy behind it we didn't have anyone involved that could formulate strategy because no one knew what we were doing and it got brought to the table and the first thing was like who is going to do the production and the first person that came to mind was colin hit him up after about four months of not talking to him met at top golf instantly colin's like i'm in and i yeah you said like three words i was like yeah yeah i'm moving to texas we're gonna do this and it's we're gonna do this but the even funnier part of the story is we decided to go on our first good good week colin's our guy and and we're like we need one other videographer we can't take six golfers one videographer and get all the work done it's just not going to happen and he's like well i kind of know a guy and that's when he brought in max we met max at the airport where was that in la yeah because you guys stopped there before mexico in la and we basically told max we're like hey we're just going to pay you a thousand bucks for this week this is our first thing that we're doing like whatever just a little freelance job and max never left still trying to get rid of him yeah i don't think he ever made that a thousand dollars it was it was 2020 so things were kind of like dead in la at the time i was i worked at cobra kai i was actually like on the post-production side of things there and like i said i was like stuck in my house in la and i got the call and i I was like, yes, Mexico?

17:43Sure. That sounds great. So I want to talk about the ensemble concept, right? Because that happens not only on YouTube. That's a very common thing in entertainment. It's very fun to watch a group. A group dynamic, if you can find that right mix, it's like you can hit it. There's articles that refer to you guys as like, and the groups on YouTube now that have emerged, it's like the sitcoms of golf, right? with like a cast of characters that you attach yourself to one or the other but prior to good good there was also this like short stint of an ensemble with brody smith right yeah you guys did your research yeah maybe yeah when i when i first started watching good good i actually thought about the era of like when we first started in sports content the big sports creators were obviously dude perfect brody was huge yeah then there was uh the brian bros there was rick shields I remember this era of sports YouTube from like a decade ago that emerged.

18:42And I was curious if you were watching that stuff as a kid, if you were inspired by that, and then if you can tell the story of like your first go at an ensemble with Brody. 100%. So I grew up watching a lot of Dude Perfect. Saw some Brody stuff, not as much, but definitely like obviously knew who he was. that's just like og youtube like if you were around at that time you knew who they were kind of thing um yeah brody hit me he hit me up and i was like kind of starstruck at first because i knew who he was i was like oh this is sick we started talking a little bit and uh one thing led to another we started doing some collabs just like on personal channels you know gm golf brody introduced him, Matt and Steve.

19:32His whole goal was he kind of wanted to start like a Dude Perfect-esque style group. And we thought it was a really cool idea with the content outside of golf. So we started doing like other sports and these challenges and it hit off pretty well. but shortly after it started we ran into some issues with it seemed as though like his idea of it was he just and to each their own it's not a bad thing but his idea of it was he wanted it to all be bro five and nothing but bro five and like I was kind of remembering it's like GM golf was kind of my baby and like everything to me and Matt started his own channel Steve had his own channel.

20:18And like, that was something that all of us were, we still had passion for the golf side of things. And a lot of bro five was outside of golf, some golf and whatnot, a little bit of everything. But it came down to, he's like, you guys basically need to quit your own channels, like full time, even on like when you have your personal time and stuff. And it was just one of those things for us. And especially me, I was kind of like, I don't want to do that. But it's not something that's for me. Like, I don't want to do only bro five. I'll be there every time we're filming and do everything I need to do because I enjoyed it.

20:52But I was like, on my personal time, I want to have that time to be creative in my own way and make golf videos and whatnot. So ultimately, I think that lasted a couple months and then it fizzled out. Yeah, it's pretty amazing though. It did like at that time, when I look back, I watched the like final video from Bro5. Yeah. It's got like 600 ,000 views of people interested in what happened to this group that was only around for a couple months. It's pretty amazing how big the audience was at that time for what you guys were doing. I haven't heard about bro-fiving forever. That's why I was like shocked when you brought it up.

21:30But I think it's an important part of the story because you probably took some lessons from that into, okay, how do we actually put together an ensemble or like a group? Because a group of creators is extremely complicated, right? Like Like in today's world of media, when you bring someone on to GoodGood or bring them into a platform where an audience can emerge and then they launch their own thing, that's a pretty complicated thing. Or people come with preexisting media platforms. Totally. That's very complicated. And so I'm really curious. When you said GoodGood was brought to you or like when this idea was brought to you, what does that mean?

22:08Yeah, when GoodGood was brought to me. So we have partners in the company of GoodGood, which is the brains behind the business when it comes to this that you see right here. They essentially, they came to us and they said, this is our idea. This is our goal. They had done it in the past with another fishing company called Guggen Squad, which, you know, Guggen was very successful, had been in Walmart and other, you know, various retail stores. And they said, we have a goal. We want to do this. golf and instantly me matt and steve were like no and we were so just opposed to any idea of starting another group just because it just it literally had just fallen through with row five it was a sensitive subject and we were all just it's probably not going to happen but we sat there we talked for like a week i want to say we're at steve's farm in the middle of nowhere so the only thing we had to talk and think about was like this new potential golf group and uh we had more conversations it's like listen it's not going to be what pro five was like this is the format that's essentially what i said like everyone has their own thing but we have this group as well and so we're like yeah let's let's talk about it like let's figure this thing out uh shortly after we came down to dallas and mike and i had a meeting with them just you know they went through what it was that it was going to be.

23:37We left heads held high and high spirits over good, good. And then went back to Matt and Steve. We all had a little group meeting. We're like, this looks good. Like, we like this. We like this a lot. And so that was like the initial meeting. Dude, it's all a blur. We've done so much. Like, it's been four and a half years. I'm trying to remember exactly how it went down. Yeah, then Colin, we went back to Kansas City, and then I think we all came down. uh to stay in airbnbs and and whatnot yeah we hopped around and it sounded a good house it's we stayed at probably like four different airbnbs in like two weeks dragging our stuff our clubs like all the equipment like all the wheel and ideal the random thrift store clubs like at we literally moved so the crazy part was we moved to texas without having a house or a place to live we just talked to him like hey we want to do a content house like we just want it to happen And they're like, yeah, it's going to happen.

24:33Let's do it. And they're like, we'll get you an Airbnb, essentially. We'll do an Airbnb for the first, what was that? I think the first two or three weeks. Yeah. But it was also, it was so difficult because you guys at the time, you were 20. Yeah. And so we're trying to rent out a$5 ,000,$6 ,000 a month house, and they're trying to rent it to us. I had to put my credit online because none of you guys had credit. So I was sitting there like, hopefully this works out. We got the house. Yeah, no, finally. It was first Airbnb for a week. We packed up my cars to the brim. Colin's car is to the brim.

25:09Packed up, went to next Airbnb. Still hadn't found a content house because we just weren't getting approved for anything. Packed up, went to a hotel for two weeks. Oh, yeah. That was the worst stage for sure. That was a bad spot. Because we couldn't bring any of our stuff in, really. My whole back seats, my trunk, everything was just jammed, packed. and then we went to a final Airbnb. It was actually a nice, that was fun. Yeah, that was nice. I loved that one. This sounds so similar to music, right? Like I always think that the creator economy in YouTube is actually much more similar to the music industry than any other industry.

25:45Like we're all a bunch of different bands and artists and like the commonality is that we make, you know, the same kind of creative work but it's kind of monetized in somewhat different ways and then some similarities. But like the stories of how these things emerge and the story of like an ensemble emerging. This sounds a lot like, almost like a Simon Cowell putting together a group. Yeah. Was that Simon Cowell, Matt Kendrick? Not really. Not really. No, I think it was more all of us were Simon Cowell. And that's why I think it worked. I think if you have like one overarching person who is putting everything together and telling people to go where and when, And I think people are just going to kind of fight back.

26:31And I think for us, that was the unique thing where everyone had control over the group. We all had an opinion. We all had a say of what happens with the content. And yeah, I think we were all Simon Kow. Yeah. And I think an interesting topic too, like on like the group thing is, like I feel like if you look at Dude Perfect, it's like, I think it would be interesting to see their growth rate if they all had their own personal channels. and maybe because like maybe if everyone went all in totally 100 on good good it would be bigger but is that really the most important thing like at the end of the day it's tough to say though it's like a band you want to stay together yeah so like and like if you're all like you said kind of stuck i mean dude perfect is an anomaly where they just started that way and they're cool that way but if you start you start like as gm golf going into good good you're going to want to keep doing being able to have the creative freedom to do your own thing that's just natural i think because also that's what we talk about our good good being like the good good mcu marlis cinematic universe where you can if you love bubby you can go down the bubby rabbit hole and watch his stuff and then you'll probably still be helping the whole you know rising tide i think you can see that if you go into like you guys have a very substantial reddit yeah yeah like i don't think i don't think i understood that golf could have like you guys brought drama to golf you know We made a way.

27:53You brought like... It started, so the good, good Reddit, if you want to go follow it, is good, good memes. And I started as like... Oh, you started? We are on the mods. It quickly turned into something that is out of our control. But I started it as like a goal to like just like react to memes. People would post memes about the videos. That would be a cool way to build the community. And then once I stopped making videos on my channel reacting to the memes, then it quickly just turned into people aren't posting memes, so they're going to talk about whatever else they want to talk about. And that was the interesting transition.

28:24But you guys give them a lot to talk about. There is like inherent drama to Good Good. There's like romance, you know, like I remember, I think I came across it because of Garrett and Corinna. And I was like, wait, what's going on here? You have members leaving the group. Like it is a good show to watch, right? It's good entertainment to zoom out and be like, what is happening here? To me, it's kind of crazy. It's like, why are people that concerned over our lives? Like in the social space, I just, that's where my brain doesn't fully comprehend it. It's like, they're so worried about like what's going on.

29:00I mean, that's always the most interesting stuff. That's always the most interesting stuff. No matter what it is. Yeah, I guess that's fair. In contrast to golf on television. Right. Whatever they can, the fact that they can even reach you guys to the point where you're reading the Reddit and you're seeing it. Like that's the difference. Like they know that you're reading, that you're watching. Oh, they definitely know. What was the pitch about Good Good? Was it like a merchandise company? Or was there like a big kind of vision there? And why did you know it was going to work? It was content-focused apparel company.

29:31Content-focused apparel company. So I think that's the easiest way of putting it with end goal of potentially having golf clubs, golf balls, which with Callaway, our unique thing was their thing with us was they wanted to actually make product. Beyond just a sponsorship dollar, they wanted to create golf clubs, golf balls, gloves, stuff that we could probably do on our own at some point, but maybe not to the highest level. And Callaway is one of the best, it's the best golf company right now, golf club company in the world. So obviously we want to be associated. We want our good, good clubs to be Callaway clubs and be that quality.

30:15Yeah. I feel like the ultimate goal, at least in my head too, is to become, like, I know all of us thought it, is to become a lasting brand in golf. Like, that's like the ultimate, ultimate goal, which I know is like lofty. But to try and rival these companies that have been here for 100 years, like, if we do this and we work at this for 10 to 15 years, can we create like a brand that lives outside of us? I think one of the most surprising things that I learned when looking into Good Good was that Good Good was only the second golf channel to cross a million subscribers. That's true, actually.

30:51I didn't think about that. Yeah, Rick Shields. And then Good Good. That's crazy to think about like how recent, because when did you guys cross a million subscribers? That would have been two years, three years. Two years ago, I guess, yeah. Been Good Good Cup, right? Yeah. so like two three years ago crossing a million subscribers to really think about like golf is a massive category but like 10 years ago when we were aware of sports content brian bros were around rick shields was around but there was no one else who like went down this path i just think that's so interesting that no one else was pushing to disrupt it right it's probably because you you seem to be someone and the three of you guys also you guys were like students of youtube yeah right like even when i look at one of your first uh thumbnails that struck me is the playing golf in a snowstorm yeah that's like an interesting thumbnail whether you like golf or not totally and you'd still watch that you'd still watch that because it's just interesting i remember that video vividly yeah i think to like garrett is super humble but like at like his creative mind also behind all of it in like including like the editing because like what i also liked in the beginning when I watched his channel was like he was a great editor and like I just being an editor was like oh like this is put together well it's solid yeah I think one of the problems I see you guys potentially running into now is that the editing the style is not as novel as it used to be because people can imitate it or you have people who have been members of the group right and who like know the DNA and they can do it you watch a good good video the chances that you're going to get one of Grant's videos.

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32:33I watch Grant's videos and then I watch Phil Mickelson, a pro, right? Because they did a collab and it's a similar style and it's like golf content. Speaking of the Reddit, a lot of the comments were like, it's become really saturated, which is crazy to think because it is such a new thing, right? But how do you guys look at innovating now and staying ahead of the pack? Yeah. I would say that our biggest asset is the group. I think we're talking about it a lot but i think we have a very sustainable format uh just because we have a lot of characters who are always going to be there in the videos and whatnot like that so i think that that's a big benefit where say the editing is a little more saturated and the shot tracers and thumbnails and whatever all that stuff we still have something in my opinion that i think others don't and it's that we have this group of guys that is always there and uh a bunch of different personality so i think that's one of the biggest things that benefits us um and that's also why i believe good good has stuck around um for now i guess the last four and a half years and had steady growth uh because we were talking about you were saying something about like a title being can they come back yeah and people will still watch it we had a title that didn't have a title like colin literally like you can have like special characters where like it'll come up just blank with like no title and i was like it has a million views no way yeah why did you do that i just for fun i saw i actually i saw a video on youtube of someone that did it and i was like i feel like this works for us because at the end of the day so many people just click on our videos knowing we're going to play golf so i'm like if it's garrett's face with a golf ball and no title like that's just intrigues you know it's just like it is a hook in and of itself because of that audience that we have established wow i think there's a couple things that i noticed about like reinforcing that people are there for you guys.

34:27I mean, that obviously reinforces it. There's no title. Like you go from playing golf in a snowstorm, which is like, there's some sensationalism to that. It's interesting. It's very classic YouTube. Like here's something contradictory to no title and a million people want to watch it. That's crazy. But the other thing that feels kind of old school about, um, your guys channel is that the videos are like very long, right? One to three hours long and when you click in like you tell me the concept you're like we're yeah that's probably tough i told colin i was like there's actually one of your videos garrett where uh you you're playing it's like you and corinna and uh bob and page and you guys are playing and there's like a conversation between the golf carts it cuts between the two golf cards yeah and i looked at colin and i was like this is like a two hour long video this is so hard to edit yeah i would assume that It took him 20 hours.

35:19Yeah, this is so hard to edit. Yeah. But like when you click into a video, if it's a concept that, you know, even you guys and Steph Curry, which is obviously an exciting video, but you're kind of shooting the shit for a while before the video actually starts. Yeah. And like classic YouTube is whatever the concept is, just get into it as quickly as possible. Or like when you and Grant had the reunion. Yeah. It starts with like a montage of like, here's what's coming next. But then it's like you at LAX, you driving, like you're not into the Gulf for a long time. And that I think, while it's counterintuitive, everyone on YouTube would be like, hey, cut all this out, just get right into it.

35:58But it reinforces the relationship. It makes people really have a deep connection. So when you're asking about like, why are people invested in the drama and like the Reddit? It's because you're leaving that stuff in and people feel - We're doing it to ourselves. Yeah, you filter the audience so that it sets this expectation that if you're going to be a fan of ours, you have to enjoy those first two to three, maybe five minutes. That's just personality. Because if you're not here for that, you're just going to leave anyway. So you're like filtering for, which is a good thing for a brand to do specifically.

36:28Garrett was super intentional with that. Because I remember I come from very, I made Minecraft YouTube videos. I was like, get to the point. Like the kids got about 10 seconds before they stopped watching. I'm the same way. I would have been like, cut it all. Yeah, so when I started editing, I was like, chop, chop, chop. And Garrett was like, no, like that's the good stuff. And I was like, it just totally changed my mind thinking about it. And that also grew over time, I feel like. Because if you look at early Good Good videos, they are straight to the point. And then I think we also, as us, we learned that, oh, they do really like that vlog portion.

37:02They'll comment about it or whatever. And then you just keep leaving more in or whatever. And people love that part. Again, personalities come out. I think it just connects you more to the person, too. like the way I think about it is like if I'm nervous I want people to see that I'm nervous like that's something that I think is very unique where it's like uh say I have like a big collab that I'm going to do or something like I wasn't necessarily nervous but I the one that's just coming to my mind is like when the first time we filmed with Austin Reeves I wasn't nervous but it was more we woke up it was 5 a.m 5 30 a.m I'm sitting there like on the stairs and I'm like hey I look like a piece of shit right now.

37:45Like, start filming. Let's go. And I forgot my clubs. We had it on camera. Like, it was just a very natural thing where I think if I'm a viewer, I'm going to want to see that a little bit more because you get to see more of the raw side of somebody. And I think that's why, like, IRL live streaming is so big right now. I think that they just get to see everything. Yeah, it's like when things got over-edited, it's like, wait, just, and also podcasting, I think, has gotten really big because it's just like, put me in the room. Just put me in the room and let me watch. Yeah, I think you're also, though, dealing with an audience group.

38:19Like, I don't know if people recognize this, but an audience group in golf who's used to watching extremely long content. So if you give them the same video length, but exponentially more entertainment, that's like a very good recipe, right? I think what's very weird, too, is you would think like with our longer videos, watch time goes way down. But I noticed, especially with the good, good videos, our watch time is like crazy. Yeah, it's insane. Well, I'd imagine too. I don't know if you guys know. How long are people watching? I feel like on average, like if we upload a major that's two hours, it's probably like 50 minute average duration.

38:56That's crazy, yeah. Insane. And I'd imagine that people are watching on TV, on connected TV. We have, like, I've heard that we have like a very large TV audience. And also they trade kind of like podcasts where they'll maybe tune out and then tune back in. So there's like multiple sessions per person. Yeah. So. Is the traditional golf world excited about you, threatened by you? Especially with that, right? You look at like a lot of fans of golf, especially younger fans, are now watching an hour on their TV and they're maybe not watching the PGA Tour. That's a good question. I don't know. I don't know.

39:34No, I mean, I think the creator classic that we just did might have, you know, shown some light on one of those. I don't know if it's excitement or threatened either way. I think I don't know how they're thinking. I would assume there's someone, you know, in those organizations who's like, we have to get the YouTube golfer. Right. Because their their their metrics are viewership. Yeah. Right. They're all media companies. So they're going to look and go, first of all, with the PGA, the average person watching is probably in their 60s. Right. Yeah. And then they're going, OK, but good, good. and the YouTube guys have the 16 to 34 audience and they have them to the tune of the millions.

40:09We need those. But they put you guys in the creator classic and I watched some of it and candidly, I thought it was pretty boring. Like I thought broadcast style wasn't, they didn't match the reason we watch you guys. They missed what made us special. Yeah. And we've done our own, those NBC good, good things that we've done and that is the struggle. The struggle is that blend. Yeah. And we talk about how do you bring more personality to it and that's something that we want to keep working on but that's something that i mean i noticed during the creator cup as well as just career classic um um that it's just like you kind of i want to see a cart cam about or whatever i want them to talk you know and i mean even tyler tony from dude perfect yeah i'm like he's one of the most entertaining guys you put a camera on that guy he's so entertaining you should be mic'd up everyone should be mic'd up it should feel like an irl twitch stream you know what i mean like backpacks with with live views on them where they're just filming and those are streaming yeah i think that's better or it should just be pre-recorded because the editing style like you guys are still releasing three hour videos yeah it's not like you know you just pre-record it let the editing also like just cut out the boring stuff but you're also missing like um the engagement that you could have like in a live stream where like the chat is talking and you're responding and reacting.

41:26So I think there is a part there that could be really cool. And we've been doing some more live stuff. We're trying to kind of figure that out. And that's part of it. Like the engagement real time with the audience, even more than the comment section and Reddit and stuff like that. Just the real time engagement is something that I think is big for like, that could be big. Yeah. So in the like good, good business world, you get merchandise is obviously like the first focus, right? It's like a media company or an apparel company tied to a media company. But on the media side is, like you guys have a deal with Peacock and NBC, right?

42:05So they're doing, yeah, they're doing our events. So like the live events that we broadcast goes to Peacock as well as YouTube. I think we did the first half on YouTube, second half on Peacock. Got it. So yeah. And so is there a world where like, as Good Good continues to grow, like that media side and you guys creating your own events and media rights for those, does that become a bigger and bigger part of good good? 100%. Yeah. I think if we're smart about it, we can bridge the gap. I think we can bridge the gap between golf content and traditional golf. And again, Max was talking about it a lot.

42:40It's a big work in progress because even the first one that we did, it went great. It was the desert open. We did it under the lights and stuff, part three course. But one of the issues was it's like we didn't know when we were talking on camera. We didn't know when the cart cam was on. So there's some things that we can kind of learn from that and hopefully go into the next one knowing better, you know, how to entertain. What does it mean to get signed to GoodGood? Like what does a talent contract look like or like a partnership or if you're going to bring in a new member, what does that mean or what does that even look like?

43:15So we recently signed Melosi, who's a guy who him and I had been following each other for a while. I brought him on a GM golf trip, and we hit it off. It was one of those things that just, like, went really well. Started filming just more and more just to see, like, how the vibes were, and then brought him to some good, good stuff. The vibes were great. Signed him, signed Blake, and these two guys who have been doing very well in their own right, J &A Golf. They started doing these date series videos and stuff like that and doing very well. And I just liked their content. But to backtrack of what it actually means to be signed, our goal is we want everyone to have the freedom to do what they want.

44:04If the guys that we're signing are doing very well in their own right, then Good Good's going to do well as well. And so our goal is just try and be as supportive as possible. If they can't make it to Good Good weak. They can't. It is what it is. Kind of like that. So, but like the core of it is like the value obviously is like you add people to the, to the media and it's more interesting with an interesting ensemble. Uh, and people have more characters to get connected to the, the, the other thing obviously is like apparel sales, right? Like even if they're doing their own thing, are they exclusive to like good, good apparel in that contract?

44:38Um, yes. Yeah. Yeah. Uh, Because that's the whole part of Good Good. That's the whole thing. But then that's why you're comfortable with them doing their own brand deals and making their own advertising. Because at the end of the day, it's about the Good Good brand. Yeah, I think the biggest thing is try and not contradict what we're doing at Good Good. I think it's a bad look if one of the guys is promoting a different clothing company. Of course. If they're a part of Good Good. Everything else, though, yeah. Go work with whoever. Go film with whoever. We support that, collabs, all that stuff.

45:13As much as you never want to see people leave, it is a testament that you've built a brand that can sustain and live outside of you. Because our brand is called Colin and Samir. If one of us leaves, it's over. It's over. That's the end. That's it. That's the end. You're screwed. Yeah, you're screwed. And you guys have proven that you are a much bigger brand than just the ensemble, even though the ensemble is the competitive advantage. And that's really important. I appreciate that. Thank you. It's definitely hard. Like I was saying, in the moment, it's a lot harder to see that because you're like, oh my gosh, it's all falling down.

45:51But looking back on it, I think it was a huge learning experience to have stuff like that happen. And yeah, like I said, I think we all have a different perspective on it. I think it shows that we can do it and stay sustainable. it's extremely positive that a why i left good good video can do as many views as it does yeah yeah like that many people care yeah that many people care that that's actually like very very positive for the brand yeah i think also i'm sure you guys understand like working together a lot you almost become like brothers yeah so there is bickering there is like things that go on but ultimately that at the end of the day you love each other so when someone does leave it almost feels like i don't know like it's obviously not like you're not going to be friends still but you're just going to see them less and like your relationship just does change because a lot of our relationship is work like when we're together we are working yeah filming so like you kind of like and we're staying at you know resorts hanging out like we're just friends you know it's it's work but it's also not work you know at all at the same time so when you start to see that person less i think because that was probably like the saddest thing to me like when people do leave is like well i'm just not going to see this person as much anymore and i enjoy being and we're all still friends that's what people like they try to draw it out like oh my gosh i have such beef or whatever and we did we tried everything we could to like keep them in it but they had made their minds up obviously but yeah grant and i are still tight mike and i are still tight all that what's the difference between someone trying to make it as a pro golfer and someone making it big as like a member of good good or a youtube golfer like what's the pay discrepancy in golf like if you're at the top obviously you're probably making a lot right if you're yeah you're one of the guys who's like top top five golfers but then like if you're if you're really good you come out of playing ncaa d1 golf and you're making this decision of like do i go like the youtube golfer out or do i try and actually make it as a pro golfer yeah i mean both are so unfortunately you have one thing where it's like uh youtube golf is basically just up to chance of the audience Like, do they like you or do they not?

48:03Because that decides if you're going to be successful and get used most of the time. And then pro golf is up to chance of are you going to play well enough or not? So that's a very tough question to answer. But you limit that up to chance nature of it if you are able to join one of the groups, right? Totally. Or collaborate with. Yeah, like Brad, for example. Well, he, it was funny because we met Brad at this, we were filming at Oaktree National in Oak KC, and he played for OU National Champion, whatever. Like, very good golfer. And he introduced himself. I didn't know what he looked like, but I remember hearing the name Brad Dahlke when I was, like, younger watching college golf.

48:45And I was like, oh, I know who you are. And then we had a great day, and I was like, Brad's got it. I remember I told the guys after, I was like, Brad's got it. We've got to sign him, like, now. Like, yesterday, we've got to sign him. You can feel it. You just can tell. Yeah, and you can just tell. And I know that Brad, if he was sitting here, he would say he's happier that he's doing content. He says it all the time than if he were still grinding to try and make it on tour. Because that grind too, at those low-level tours, it is tough. It is tough. It's grueling, and you lose money every day.

49:15You lose money doing it. Yes. Unless you're winning, yeah. I read a quote from, I think it was him, from Brad who said, I just didn't want missing a putt to determine my earnings or my income anymore. Yeah. Which when you think about it that way, yeah, it's a much better situation to play golf, enjoy it, share your personality, and be able to make it a living. I made a 16 and probably made more money that day than I would have if I just made a par. Like I was doing this 18-hole stroke play. It's much more relatable. I hit like six balls in the water. And I'm like, okay, people are going to watch this even more now.

49:51Yeah. It's a very interesting, different thing with content in pro golf. You make that, you're beating yourself up. We experienced that a little bit in lacrosse. Samir and I built the lacrosse network. We were not great lacrosse players. People always ask, were you really good? It's like, you can look up our stats. It's not great. But we were super passionate about it. We were the biggest fans. We got access to hang out with the pros. And we could be that everyman for the kids at home who were like, Oh, I'm actually more like Colin and Samir than I am like Paul Ray. More relatable, right? If there's 123 million golf fans, which I think is like the latest stat, right?

50:28That's a lot of people. That's a huge addressable market. You guys are probably more like the average of those people than the pros, right? So then you go, okay, wait, that makes way more sense to have a relatable brand than like a sensational brand or like a superhero brand. And the ensemble just works so well because everyone is different there. like Bubby can go out and not shoot as well and then we have Brad who goes out and shoots 65 and so like people can kind of pick and choose you know maybe they like watching Steve also Steve just shows up and talks about animals it's like there's just sharp hits it with a pan or whatever you just you have that again the MCU I mentioned earlier it's just like if you want to dive into Brad's content you're going to see someone who's amazing at golf you know if you want to watch Bubby it's he might be golfing with a fishing rod or something you know I watched an hour-long video on Bubby's channel last night of him just like with his cell phone I think just talking for an hour about like his upbringing and the challenges he went through yeah I was like and I found it from obviously watching a good good video and it was just like yeah this is the MCU like I'm now more into Bubby and his storyline and what he's doing than like some of the other guys and then it makes it matter when you watch you guys compete yeah because that's the other thing about a lot of sports right now is like uh it's obviously working really well with netflix and like the f1 show was probably the first one that was like okay let's make people care about these characters that happened in tennis obviously full swing yeah right like if you uh if you deeply care about the character then the competition is exponentially more interesting youtubers figured that out with boxing too right it's like if you care about these people it's exponentially more interesting to watch them compete 100 100 so walking around like we came here yesterday and walked around in the space.

52:09It's like very obvious this is an apparel company. How big is the merch business? And was there a moment where you guys experienced and you were like, oh shit, this works? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It was 9am April 1st, 2020. When we - 2021. 2021? Yeah. Whatever. Oh yeah. April 1st. April 1st, whatever. It was 9am. I just remember we all woke up and we were like, this is the day we're launching our apparel. Everyone thought it was an April Fool's joke at that time. And we'd post about it before. They saw the prices. Everyone was just in an outrage over how expensive it was. But we all knew, we were like, we made this as high quality as we possibly can.

52:55We made sure that this is the best possible golf apparel. And we are very competitive to everybody else's prices that are around the same quality. And I think it was also interesting because we were probably the first YouTube group or golf group to do something like this. Whereas with a lot of other YouTubers, it's merch. It's like you get a t-shirt or a hoodie and normally an overpriced for a t-shirt is like whatever, 30 bucks or whatever. I don't even know the price range. But for golf apparel, it's just more expensive when it's good quality. And we launched it and it was crazy. It was wild.

53:30It sold out really quick. I forget how fast. We just had no idea how much to order. We were like, what is the appetite for a$75 polo from someone that watches a YouTube video? So were you guys huddled around a laptop looking at the Shopify? We were at my desk with the Shopify open. And I just remember yesterday, it started. It was like 8.58, and Bubby was sleeping downstairs on a bunk bed. We're waking up everyone. I rented down the stairs. I was like, Bubby, get up here. It's 9 a.m. What's going? and like he ran up like groggy like what and like he's like hair's all messed up and we were all just sitting around there and the numbers just started taking up i think people i think there was like seven or eight thousand nine maybe it was ten thousand people on the website but the like talk about the emotion of that moment of seeing like those orders what was that i really had like it it's a lot yeah yeah it was pretty awesome because again we don't like we are creators at heart.

54:27We make YouTube videos. We sit there, we have the calendar and we, you know, go through like, we have a major here. We got to hit, the fans are going to want to see a, you know, we'll not ideal after that. You got to kind of mix up. We're just thinking about content. And then we're obviously giving as much feedback as we can in these meetings with the awesome team that we have. And just the merging of that, where it's like, they did a great job. We're just doing our thing. And then that day where it just all hits, It was wild. That feeling is kind of unexplainable. It was kind of like, did we just make it?

55:05It was kind of like, that's how it felt. Did that just happen? When you are trying to become a creator, the money, you don't want to think about it, but you inevitably have to. It is just kind of a fear of, will I be able to do this full time? Will I have to go back and figure something else out? because I remember dropping out of school to pursue my previous YouTube channel and my parents, my mom's a teacher, my dad's an engineer. They were just like, what? What are you talking about? And just that instantly just kind of creates maybe a little bit of a scarcity mindset, I would say, where you kind of are thinking about it.

55:41But then in that moment, it generally, I feel like I kind of stopped thinking that way. It was kind of like, okay. This is going to work. Yeah. I feel that way too, 100%. Like I said, it was a concept, and then it was just like, it all hit. Wow. Wild. That's cool. Those moments are like, obviously, those feel like movie moments when that type of thing happens. Yeah, 100%. Yeah, when we got our first office space, that was another, that was a crazy moment for me. I remember walking in, I was like in tears. I was like, this is crazy. Like, who would have ever thought? And that was the one before this, but wild.

56:17How big is the team? You mentioned team. I know there's a bunch of offices over there, but what does it look like and what are the important roles? It feels bigger than I feel. It's not super big, but it feels big. And it's growing, you know, every month. I don't know the exact number of people. I think like five or six people in like the front area that are working on apparel, designs, fit. Ten including you guys. Like here. Here, yeah. And that includes the like on-camera talent? No. No. So 10 team members, including them too. Yeah, including you too. Because that's the problem also we've kind of faced is scaling us.

56:59Because right now, we just actually hired someone that helps commercial stuff now, and he kills it. Yeah, the driver edit was one of my favorite edits from him. That was beautiful. Yeah, that was Cam. Like we said, we came from YouTube. we love that stuff but when it comes to commercial editing you know I don't know what I'm doing I assumed that wasn't made in house so this is the the drop for the new Callaway collab driver and I watched it and assumed oh whoever Callaway works with does that no that was Cam right in there yeah Cam is unbelievable yeah where was it shot just like in front of the yeah he kind of just set up we'll overlay some of that yeah that's crazy that's wild that's awesome and it brings again coming from our creator like roots and like what we are all of us us filming you guys and you guys on your own it feels kind of weird because it is it feels like it could be from callaway so it's like i also want to make sure that we you know don't get too cold in a sense i don't want it to feel like a brand that they got like that people don't can't relate with or whatever it's like super clean so it's a balance of that too but he brings that for sure that beautiful clean stuff And then everything else besides that, on the Good Good main channel, we have someone separate for extras, but everything else, main channel is me and Max.

58:20Yep. So, which is a lot. And I feel like it... We obviously have people we bring on, Luis and Jeff actually helps film sometimes. Like filming-wise, we usually need more than two people at this point. But editing-wise, it's Colin and I. As big as this all is, I still love that when I watch one of your videos, it's like those candy cam kind of vibe things that you guys have like your video with steph curry was so fun to watch because it although it was like steph curry it was so youtube like it was still so raw and just chill and fun and that all also is like by design yeah i would say like that is super intentional because we grew up watching it and like we know like i don't know like you never if you see steph curry on a youtube video it's with a red it's with this it's with that it's not some like shaky kind of like moving around like maybe you don't even perfectly catch him saying something like it just feels like a fly on the wall more there's a um a comedian on on tiktok named jake shane who he sat down with and he uh he said like for something to work on tiktok it has to feel like you're facetiming a friend and i actually think that as we move forward right now all content kind of has to feel like that because we have seen so much now yeah Right?

59:38That's so interesting. If we don't see, and it's also why like Barstool was so interesting to a sports audience. Like, oh, those guys are actually, that reminds me of when I'm in the room with my guy friends, right? So like you just want to see something that feels extremely real. So like a shaky cam is actually preferred compared to something that's going to be beautiful and pristine. Totally, yeah. What is the mix of like the business for GoodGood? like from merchandise to uh advertising to events like what what is that sense like yeah uh i would say our our main thing is merch yeah yeah well apparel we try and always instead of merch i actually like that distinction i think that's an important um yeah apparel apparel is like the main thing uh adsense is also very big which i know with youtube creators that's not as common just like an overarching YouTube, but golf.

1:00:33I mean, we're all family-friendly. Golf is a very niche thing, so I think advertisers get. It's also affluent. Yeah. View duration. Yeah. View duration, everything, long videos. So I think that that helps. And then, yeah, sponsorships are probably around the same. So you guys are, like, as a brand, you guys are solving a pretty big problem for a pretty big industry. So I would imagine that you've probably been presented with opportunities, whether it's like acquisition or someone trying to bring you into something. Because you're solving a problem that's probably to the tune of like 50 to 100 million dollar problem that you're solving for golf.

1:01:12It's pretty wild. It's pretty wild. And there's all kinds of stuff starting to happen in golf, whether like I mean, I was not familiar with it, but I remember reading the headlines about Live Golf. and the amount of money that can be into golf. Is this something you guys think about of selling good, good one day or a big exit or a big outcome like that? Because this brand is pretty scalable. It would still require you guys, but there's a future where it might not. Yeah, I mean, our goal has always just been like, let's create a big golf brand around content. And hopefully one day this brand can be, like Colin said, it can be a competitor to other brands within golf, you know, that are, I mean, household names if you're a golfer, a title list and stuff like that.

1:01:59It's a big lofty goal, but it's always been our goal. So I tell the story a lot, but I was at a bar shortly after I turned 21 and I was out and I saw a good, good hat. A guy was wearing a good, good hat. I was like, yo, what's up, dude? Love your hat. And he's like, thanks, man. I was like, nice. And it was like the best thing ever. I was like, you're telling me you just, like you bought a hat, probably from like some Google ad. I don't even know how you found it. And you have no clue who like we are. That's sick. So I think that that was a very big compliment, and it showed what hard work has done.

1:02:39And, you know, I think that at least if you look at TaylorMade and Titleist, no one really thinks now who created TaylorMade and Titleist. At the end of the day, like I want to do videos as long as I physically possibly can. Till the end of time, whatever I can no longer do videos is when I'm done. But when that time comes, I hope Good Good can live on and be bigger than me or any other individual. And hopefully that time is no time soon. But yeah. I think also like, I mean like that hat in general, just like the hats that just say good, like it just, the branding there is just clean. Like I would just, if I saw that, I mean, I feel like I would just be like, okay, that's kind of like a cool hat.

1:03:20I feel like that also is the goal in a lot of our designs too, is like, can this be something that someone, if they're not a fan, can they just wear it because it is clean, minimal, just looks good. Totally, totally. Well, cool, guys. Thanks so much for sitting down with us. This is awesome. Thanks for having us. We are going to go out to the course right now, which we're terrible golfers. So it's like golf, but the handicap is calling in spirit. Sounds like a fun. But we'd love to like cruise around the office too and maybe get some practice swings in so you guys can show us. But I'm excited to see what happens next with Good Good.

1:03:52I'm really excited about what you guys are doing. Thank you. I appreciate you guys. Yeah. I do appreciate that.

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In this episode of "The Colin and Samir Show," Good Good Golf members Garrett, Colin, and Max discuss starting Good Good, why golf is growing in popularity on YouTube and how they've built a successful apparel company.

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