How to craft the perfect YouTube intro

24 Aug 2023 · 46 min

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Episode Title

How to Craft the Perfect YouTube Intro

Podcast Description In this episode, Colin and Samir discuss essential tips for creating effective YouTube video intros. They share insights from their experiences, including a checklist for intros, lessons learned from the Sidemen's manager, and strategies for balancing short-form and long-form content.

Key Themes and Concepts

  1. YouTube Intro Checklist
  2. Reassurance: Immediately confirm to the viewer that they are watching the correct video and it's not clickbait.
  3. Introduce Unclosed Loops: Present new narratives or questions that pique curiosity and encourage viewers to continue watching.
  4. Expectations: Align the tone and style of the intro with what viewers can expect from the rest of the video. A consistent pacing helps maintain viewer engagement.
  5. Establish Singularity: Communicate why this video is unique and why viewers should choose it over others on the same topic.
  1. The Evolution of Video Intros
  2. Colin and Samir reflect on how video intros have changed over time, noting that creators today must work harder to engage viewers quickly due to the competitive landscape of content creation.
  1. Short Form vs. Long Form Content
  2. Discussion on the transition from short-form to long-form content for creators. Colin and Samir address common challenges and provide advice:
  3. Short-form content often leads to quicker dopamine hits due to immediate feedback.
  4. Long-form content requires more time investment and may not yield instant results.
  5. Creators are encouraged to experiment with formats, focusing on the narrative rather than over-polishing visuals.
  1. Mr. Beast as a Case Study
  2. Colin and Samir analyze Mr. Beast's success, attributing it to:
  3. Global Appeal: Concepts that resonate universally (e.g., relatable characters).
  4. Focus: Concentrating creative energy on a main project rather than multi-tasking across different content types.
  5. Engagement Techniques: Utilizing multi-language translations and maintaining understanding regardless of the viewer’s language.

Noteworthy Moments

  • Discord Engagement: The episode includes listener questions from their Discord community, enhancing viewer interaction.
  • Growth and Evolution: They acknowledge the changing dynamics of the creator economy and the diminishing creator middle class, emphasizing the importance of community and audience interaction.
  • Creator Shoutouts: Colin mentions a creator, Garrett's Adventures, who showcases authentic storytelling through personal experiences, highlighting that compelling narratives can engage audiences beyond polished production.

Conclusion Colin and Samir successfully provide valuable insights into creating effective YouTube intros and navigating the current landscape of content creation. They emphasize the importance of authenticity, engagement, and strategic content planning as key factors for creator success in the evolving digital space.

Additional Resources

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  • Listen to the Full Episode: Available on [Spotify](https://www.spotify.com) and [YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/ColinandSamir).

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0:00The Colin and Samir Show is supported by Microsoft Copilot. This is something I thought I would never say, but can I share with you my favorite prompt? I mean, like when you say something like that, I have to say yes. Were you going to say no? No, but okay. Just let me hear it. So when I'm researching for a guest or I need to know a lot about a subject matter, I say, make me a podcast about. And when you do that, you're going to get a short blurb about that subject. And then in like two minutes, you're going to get a podcast. So check this out. Welcome to Co-Pilot Podcasts. Picture this, a guy working the front desk at a hotel, making lacrosse videos in his spare time, completely unaware that he's about to become one of the most influential voices in the creator economy.

0:38Today, we're diving into the remarkable story of Colin Rosenblum. Wow. Did you pay it to say that? That's crazy. That's very kind. It's crazy, but it's my favorite way to learn about a subject matter. I'm learning about so much more now that I can turn this research into like a seven minute podcast that I can listen to just when I'm walking. Did you tell it that I worked at the front desk of a hotel? Dude, the prompt is just, make me a podcast about Colin from Colin and Samir. That's it. I may be biased, but I'm on the edge of my seat. I'm hooked. So if you guys haven't checked out Copilot, check it out.

1:10Try it for your research. Try it for getting variations of your titles, your ideas. It's one of my favorite tools on the internet right now for our creativity. And now back to the show. What makes a good YouTube video intro? Well, that's the first question we answer on today's episode of creator support. We also give some advice for how you can transition from being a short form creator to being a long form creator. And we break down how Mr. Beast continues to break YouTube records. Okay. Before we get into this episode, a quick question from the discord, Colin. This one was specifically for you.

1:45Just click this one. Oh no. Yeah. Oh goodness. Hi, I'm Typhoon and... Gotcha. All right. If you make it to the deep end, let us know. Is this the deep end? Are we starting in the deep end? What just happened? All right. Our first question comes from Roman Peschi on the Discord, and he asks, video intro checklist. I guess that's just the title of his question. It's not what he asked. This is what he asked. He said, does anyone have a checklist they put together for the first minute of a video? Because I've noticed that in a Mr. Beast vid, it's typically an attention grabber, quick explanation of what's going on, cuts to showing further into the video to keep people engage, some sort of music element, and then around a minute in, there's usually another flash forward to what's happening later in the video.

2:30If you have a checklist of what you use, I'd love to see it. Well, Roman, we do have a checklist. Colin wrote down a checklist. We talked about this a ton. This was a great question and leads into a great conversation around YouTube video intros. Now, before we answer your question, we do want to thank Discord for sponsoring this episode. Earlier this year, we partnered with Discord to launch our server. And it's been an awesome experience. We've done live stages in our Discord. We give feedback on thumbnails, videos. We have chats about creator news. It's a really great place to build community for us as creators and for our community to come together and meet each other.

3:10Yeah, we found out that people are actually meeting through the Discord and then hanging out in real life, like helping each other with their videos and then hanging out. And not only is Discord a great place for community, but it also supports the diversification of our revenue. During VidCon, they announced that they're exploring server shops, which means we can actually launch a shop within our Discord server. This would be to sell digital goods. So like Notion templates, backgrounds, LUTs. Love a good LUT. Love a good LUT. And you can actually also sell media assets up to 500 megabytes. So we could upload a video and it could be pay-per-view in the server shop.

3:44I think that's really cool. You also could sell fonts. Dude, you could sell fonts. I could sell fonts. You should sell your handwriting as a font. I have two fonts that I made that I could sell. Just saying. Dude, that actually would be really cool if you sold fonts. I don't know. Comment below if you're interested in buying one of my fonts. Yeah. What if I become a font dealer? You could be a font dealer. All right. Yeah. Cool. So Server Shop is still in its alpha phase, which means it's not rolled out to everyone yet. It will be launching later this year. But if you want to join the wait list, we put a link in the description.

4:15You can join the wait list to get access to Server Shop. It's a great way for creators to build sustainable businesses and offer digital goods to their communities. All right. The video intro checklist, Colin. Okay. This morning, I wrote out a full checklist of what I think makes the ultimate YouTube intro. Oh, wow. And I watched a bunch of our videos. I watched other creators' videos. And here are the commonalities that I found. I'm going to caveat this by saying I think this should be noted as the 2023 video intro checklist. because after you go through this, I want to talk about how this has changed.

4:51But I actually don't know what you wrote down, so I'm interested to hear. Okay, so the first thing that I think every YouTube intro needs is to immediately confirm to the viewer that this is the video you clicked on and the packaging is not clickbait. So the first thing that I think every great YouTube intro needs, and you may think it's like to hook the viewer to watch till the end, but actually I think the job is to reassure the viewer that this is the video that you wanted, that you clicked on. Right. And that has to happen immediately. And to prove that it's not clickbait. So I'm going to use our video that we made about Emma Chamberlain.

5:29It's called Why Emma Chamberlain Quit YouTube Again. And I'm going to run through this point and then the rest of the points. Okay. So let's check it out. Why is one of the most successful creators leaving YouTube? I'm taking a break from YouTube. I need to step back completely and give myself weeks, months, years if I need to. Okay. So immediately right there, we're showing you that this is a video about Emma Chamberlain quitting YouTube. And we're actually giving proof with her own voice that like, this is not click bait. This has really happened. And it is the video you clicked on. So that's number one.

6:07Number two is that you have to introduce new narratives or unclosed loops. So it's not enough, I think, in a really good YouTube intro to just affirm to the viewer this is what you wanted. You got to go a step further. Describe or define an unclosed loop. So an unclosed loop is opening a story arc that makes the audience want to get the answer, basically, right? And in this instance, in the intro, I think it should be something unexpected that was not in the title thumbnail. So it's like you clicked to get the answer. Why did Emma Chamberlain quit YouTube again? But we're going to give you that answer.

6:45And you didn't know we're actually going to give you more than that. So that's what we do in the next part. Months, years, if I need to. By the end of the episode, we're actually going to pitch Emma on a way that we think she could return to YouTube in a healthy way. We're also going to suggest a change that we think YouTube should make to the platform. Yeah. So that's two extra things you didn't know you were going to get. Yeah. And when we suggest that we're going to come up with a change to the YouTube platform, it's blurred out. So that's like the definition of an unclosed loop. You want to see what's behind that blurred out photo.

7:18The Jack Welch Management Institute at Strayer University helps you go from I know the way to I've arrived with our top 10 ranked online MBA. Gain skills you can learn today and apply tomorrow. Get ready to go from make it happen to made it happen. and keep striving. Visit Strayer.edu slash Jack Welch MBA to learn more. Strayer University is certified to operate in Virginia by Shev and as many campuses, including at 2121 15th Street North in Arlington, Virginia. Yeah, essentially we, it was a term that we talked to about with Collins Key one time, Unclosed Loops, in a hotel lobby in New York, his real like YouTube meeting.

7:58And he's just so sharp when it comes to packaging and intros and everything. And he taught us this term, unclosed loop where he said the human mind needs loops to close. Right. So like, here's a question. Okay. I want the answer to it. And he was showing it in the context of like, sometimes you see stuff. It's a lot of what Jimmy does where it's train versus giant hole. You kind of look at it and you're like, well, what would happen? Okay. Now I need to close that loop. Like that is like, there's a gap of what we call a curiosity gap is, is, is in between there. And the first unclosed loop is the title thumbnail, right?

8:34And so basically you click there. Once you're reaffirmed, now you need a new open loop so that your mind stays active of like, Ooh, I do want to know that actually too. So that's, I completely agree. I guess the question is how long into the intro do you introduce that loop? I think it kind of depends. Like if you watch our video, our interview with Reed, Mr. Beast Manager, we actually get right into the unclosed loop, basically. Like, we start in the middle of a story that was not necessarily in the title thumbnail. One of my favorite intros. It's great. Should we watch them? I love this one.

9:12In May of 2017, Mr. Beast crossed 1 million subscribers, but there was a problem. Some months we're spending like$4 or$5 million on videos. We've ran out of money many times. I'm not a businessman. I'm a creator. So if Jimmy doesn't care about the money, who does? So the opening line is something that we worked on a ton. It's in May of 2017, Mr. Beast crossed a million subscribers, but there was a problem. So that immediately just creates a situation where you're like, oh, okay, what was the problem? Right? And then he answers that question right after. He says, some months we were spending so much money, we were losing money.

9:51you're like okay he loses money and then we pose the question so he says uh i'm not a businessman i'm a creator and we pose the question so if he's not if he doesn't care about the money who does enter reed his manager so that's like okay we we we had to work on that a lot to build the intrigue of who is reed who's this guy so yeah i i really like that one because it does that like it starts in the middle of the story gives you something that you're like oh interesting and then you're like, but there was a problem. Yeah. Yeah. So number one, reaffirm to the viewer that this is the video that you wanted.

10:26It's not clickbait. Number two, open up an unclosed loop, create a new narrative that the audience wasn't expecting. Yeah. So all of that, I think those two points have to be conveyed in a simple manner visually and be easily understood. Many times people are watching YouTube videos like without audio on sometimes like the auto scroll, which we learned when we were talking with autoplay. Yeah. When we were talking with Mr. Beast. And so like for a lot of our intros, we put subtitles in the beginning to make sure that it's like as easily understood as possible. That you're not working. There's actually another thing we've done which has to do with packaging.

11:03But like the Emma Chamberlain video is a great example. But that one didn't look like a podcast about, it didn't, from the packaging perspective, it did not look like two guys talking about it. It could have been anything because it was Emma on the thumbnail and then why Emma quit as the text on the thumbnail. So the autoplay then shows me at a mic. And so you're going to immediately be like, okay, this is like a dude at a mic talking. The thing that we've done now on the channel is especially when we're doing interviews, like we ensure there's a mic in the packaging and the person looks like they're really in the seat.

11:39So you're like, okay, my assumption is that person is sitting in a mic. I scroll over it, get the autoplay. that person was sitting in their studio at a mic. Yeah. Confirmed. I think what you're talking about is expectation setting. Yeah. And I have that as the third point on the checklist, which is to make sure that you're setting the right expectation in the intro. And that comes down to style of video, tone. Is it comedic? Is it dramatic? And pace. We've noticed in some of our past videos, the pace of the intros can be frenetic, like really fast paced. and it was hard, we thought, to transition or expect the audience to transition to then a very slow-paced conversation.

12:19So we've tried to even out the pace of the intro and have it be more similar to the rest of the video. So I think it's important as you're crafting your intro to know that those first 30 seconds are probably setting the expectation for the viewer of what the rest of the video is going to be like. If you're going to have jokes or humor, make sure you have that in the beginning and back it up throughout if that's important to you. Yeah, I think the thing that we've talked about before is like all storytelling is about tension and release and the style in which you build tension and release tension should be introduced early on.

12:53Because if I like that, then I'm going to want to continue on that. Right. So I kind of want to know what ride I'm in for. What Jimmy and some of the more challenge focused creators do when it comes to like what you can expect later in the video. you know they've really been pushing on that where I feel like a lot like Jimmy's videos oftentimes in like 60 seconds every 60 seconds I'm reminded that something is coming you know and sometimes he does this this frame where it's like you know five different scenes and it zooms in and zooms out of that frame and you're like oh yeah there's there's five other scenes I'm gonna get right now yeah I think that's where like listicles like Ali Abdaal talked about with us actually work really well because that's actually what you're talking about is an unclosed loop Right.

13:37If I'm like, I'm going to tell you three reasons why blank. Now my mind kind of wants to know all three. If I only do one and don't get to two, I might even just, if I'm bored, I might even just click to see the third one just to make sure I know what it is and then move on. Yeah. So like when you introduce these things that like expectation setting doesn't have to be like, and you won't believe what happened at the end of the video explosion. It can be, there's three things I want to tell you. And that just means you're going to get to a third thing, you know, by the end of the video. Yeah, so I have one more.

14:08Okay. And that is to establish singularity. And I think this is one that is potentially harder and we don't get it every time. But when it's possible, we always take the opportunity to do this. And this can come in many forms. I think our Mark Rober studio tour was a really good example of a line that we included to establish singularity to show that this video is something that only we could make that is unique to us. and there's a line in there about how people, not many people have gotten to see his studio or understand how he makes his videos. And then he cuts, we cut to him saying, this is closed to the public.

14:49I don't really invite people here. And I think we did that early in the video to show the audience that you're getting a unique opportunity through us, that this is like a one of a kind opportunity that only we can provide in this moment. That's good. And I think that's important. Like if you can add that on top, you don't always have that. But if you have the opportunity to, I think it's important to establish why you are the one bringing this story. Yeah, that's good. I like that. I think even more so because ideas are getting replicated. It's kind of like if two ideas come out on the same day, this checklist number four is like, why are you watching mine versus theirs?

15:29Yeah. Right. Like what makes mine different to the point where only I could have made it? Do we want to recap? Sure. I think you should recap those four. Okay. So the great YouTube intro checklist of 2023. Number one, you want to immediately confirm to the viewer that this is the video you clicked on and that the packaging was not clickbait. Number two, you want to introduce new narratives and unclose loops. Number three, you want to set the right expectation. Whatever you put in the intro is what you want the audience to believe is coming for the rest of the video. Number four, establish singularity.

16:05Make sure you explain or show to the viewer why your video and your point of view is unique. That's good. We're definitely gonna turn that into a short. That's pretty good. Yeah. I wanted to bring up, so this year, I think the absolute highest AVD on an intro for us was our Try Guys interview. And that also comes down to timing. You know, that interview with the Try Guys was at a time where they hadn't really spoken after controversy, you know, or after, you know, the internet got very interested in them. And we try and ask this question when we're interviewing someone, like, is there a burning question from the public about them?

16:46And we titled that an unfiltered conversation with the Try Guys, right? So immediately that has to, you click on it, has to confirm that there was unfiltered access, you know, that there was truly this honest, transparent conversation. Click on it. First line, Zach goes, they're worth four of us. Now there's three. Immediately you're confirmed. Okay. They're going to talk about it. They're going to talk about the thing that I wanted them to talk about. They're going to be honest. And then, you know, that follows up with like three or four clips of not only Zach and Keith being very transparent and honest, but us asking them questions that are, would provoke unfiltered answers without them answering.

17:28And then after those clips, we actually open unclosed loops by showing you clips from conversations that you didn't exactly know you were going to get. You know, the anatomy of a successful Try Guy video, how they retained the name, the Try Guys coming out of Buzzfeed. Like you get little bits of topics that you didn't know you were going to get. And hopefully that's like the icing on top to get you to keep watching. Right. Yeah. And that has been one of our highest AVD videos this year. And I would say also because Zach and Keith are so engaging. We had a great like great chemistry with them.

18:04But I think also because we did like those clips, sometimes it doesn't work out like that. We don't get perfect soundbites all the time for the interviews. But that one particularly, we had soundbites that did this exactly. Like hit this intro checklist exactly. I think that's just a lesson for creators that it doesn't always need to be a scripted intro. The clip selection of your footage, whether it's an interview or something documentary style, can tell a story. Yeah. We have another one, Story of Carl. That was really, I think, just one if you want to watch an intro that we spent a lot of time on.

18:38Like that was iteration, iteration, iteration, just dialing in the opening line of that. It's a lot of work. You know, you just got to write it and just look at it and be like, does it hit these marks? Is this interesting? Would you, after hearing these first four lines, want to watch this? Like, do you have questions? If you don't have questions, you're not going to watch. Before we move on, should we watch that one? Carl Jacobs is a college dropout that hacked MrBeast's videos to become the number one streamer on Twitch in just a matter of months. Welcome, everybody. Welcome. It's me, Carl. He's always trending on Twitter.

19:12One of the breakout stars of the last year. His newly launched podcast beat out Joe Rogan on the Spotify charts. What's up, guys, and welcome to the Banter Podcast. And he has one of the most diehard fan bases on the internet. If I got a Carl notice right now, I'd be on the floor. The man is quite literally perfect. But if we're being honest, we don't fully understand Carl's content. How is Carl doing what he's doing? How did he become Carl? I think one of the most important things is like, do you have a butt in your intro? Right? Do you have a butt? Yeah. Where it goes like this, this, this. But this.

19:46Yeah. You just, you need that. Yeah, we used to really think about that when we would do these hosted intros. Without us saying in that moment that we don't understand his content, it's kind of not really a story. It's just like a - It's just praise, right? Like there needs to be some exploration. There needs to be some tension. Yeah, but I do think the opening line of like he hacked Mr. Beast videos, that brings some questions to me. True. But if I was to go back, I would want validation that you're going to tell me how he did that, which we do in that video. Yeah. Now, okay, this is the video intro meta of right now.

20:23And I think it's because competition has increased, storytelling has gotten better, but this was not YouTube when I got into YouTube. I went back and wanted to watch one of my favorite Casey Neistat videos, which was when he saved his drone. You remember that? Yeah. Okay, the packaging of it is my all-time greatest. Now, I want you to watch this open.

20:51Where the f*** is he going? What was that all about? That was really weird, wasn't it? Yeah, maybe you didn't like your Invisalign. So you think that was just a bad egg? Yeah, I think he was mad at me because I waved him and I didn't know how to buy his way. So it goes on to do his, you know, intro with the music. And then he goes into his studio and explains what the video is going to be about, about a minute in.

21:25Today's vlog is a mission. That is where, like, in today's world, he would have started there. Today's vlog is a mission, a rescue, a search and rescue mission. I lost my drone. It's unlikely I'm going to get it back. Like he does a really great job of contextualizing what goes down there. But 3.2 million views in this era, I think, really showed how much trust these creators had from us as audience members. How much of a relationship we had with these creators to give them a minute of time that was just a slice of life. Yeah, the behavior was perhaps a little bit more similar to how audiences look at podcasts now.

22:07Sure. Like podcast audiences are really sticky. They don't really care as much about the title. Exactly. Right. They're just like, I like these people. I'm going to tune in and I might tune in for 30 minutes to an hour, hour and a half. I don't know. Yeah. I think it's like, uh, it's, it's what we've talked about before with permission-based versus, uh, interruption-based viewing, which is like permission-based. Like Casey had my permission to give me a new video every single day, no matter what it was. And he had millions of people permission. And I think we've moved into a place where we have to work really hard to earn your time.

22:38Now, we have to interrupt your scroll. We have to catch you. Then we still have to earn your time once you're in the video. Once you've clicked on, it's not like we've earned it. You know, we still have to earn your time. 30 seconds in, we have to earn the next 30 seconds. Yeah. We have to continuously earn those, which again, it's good storytelling, but it's an interesting new reality in the creator economy. I think that also though comes down to the difference between the idea-based creator and the relationship-based creator. because there are still relationship-based creators. Yeah, your mom Ashley is a good example.

23:10Today, right, who have earned and set the expectation for their audience that the title thumbnail is not going to be the heavy driver of why you come in through the door. One more for fun. Ben Brown, okay? Remember Ben Brown? Yeah, yeah. Ben Brown, great thumbnail. It's called Dangerous Swimming. He's swimming in front of like this huge cruise ship. Here's the open. Good morning, everybody. What's happening? What's going on? We're in the breakfast hall of dreams right now Just feasting on all kinds of goodies like this honeycomb Look at that just slicing off chunks of honeycomb. We've got jams for days So I mean, I want to acknowledge that this was the YouTube we fell in love with fell in love with and tried to emulate and become successful at.

24:02And we couldn't do it. And we could not do it. I think also it's an incredibly long game to become successful at this. But if you do this, like if you go against the grain and you're like, it's my personality that you're here for. It's me you're here for. Right now, if you do that, and even if you build an audience of 100 ,000 people who love that, I think that is one of the most impactful audiences you could build. Absolutely. If they're just there. because then you're, you're like truly have a relationship with them. So I just wanted to bring that up that like the meta has changed. And I wonder if podcasting is, you know, this now, like you said, right.

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24:41Where it's like, I'll click on it, whatever it is. Um, but if we're going to cycle back around to kind of wanting a slower paced, more just like, listen, don't try so hard. I just, I like you just, you know, just show me what you're doing. Yeah. But you have to get to the danger of swimming at the end. Even your mom, Ashley, when we spoke to her, she said that you can't just start with vlogging. Right. Like that was one of her curriculum points. She was like, you know, as hard as it is to hear, like no one's really interested in you off the jump. Like you have to obviously come through with titles and thumbnails that provide some value to a certain community and start building that way.

25:18Right. And then maybe you can relax a little bit after you've earned that trust. Yeah. I mean, let us know what we missed. I think that was a pretty good YouTube video intro checklist of 2023. Maybe that changes next year. But that was pretty fun to do. I liked your list items. That was good. So this week, we have released two episodes on the main channel, Colin, this week. Big week for us. That's a lot. Yeah, that's a lot. Interview with Jordan Schwarzenberger from Arcade Media, who's the manager of the Sidemen. A great conversation, the first conversation that we had in London. So if you're wondering, there's comments about like the studio looking different.

25:56We addressed it in the beginning, but some people skip over that. The studio is different because we recorded in London. There's four episodes that are going to come out on the main channel recorded in London. Learning about the Sidemen was fantastic. I was really energized by Jordan. I think he's a great like operations guy in our space. He's a really great mind. If you guys don't follow him, check him out. LinkedIn, Twitter, he posts a lot. But he had a great POV on what the creator economy looks like. and what the future of it is. Yeah, his perspective was that there is not as much of a creator middle class anymore.

26:33And he talked about how he does not believe that there necessarily could be another Sidemen. That like the Sidemens and the Mr. Beasts of the world are these established creators and he finds it to be extremely difficult to break in right now, mainly because of short form content. Yeah, I would agree with that. Short form content doesn't allow you to really connect. Totally. with people. Yeah, I would agree with that. I think, um, I think even what we're seeing with Jimmy right now, breaking the record every week, right? The viewership record every week, the amount of money he's spending on these videos, the scale he's at, like, I don't even think it's, it's, uh, makes sense to, to try and become that.

27:10Like, I think it's, it's now, even when we showed you some of those, those intros from years and years ago, it's kind of looking back in time and going like, okay, what has worked here? What has worked in entertainment? What are people connecting to? And also like, what is sustainable for me? Because what the Sidemen and Jimmy have built, those are like, those are straight up media companies. We're seeing like Buzzfeed and Vice kind of go down and we're seeing the Sidemen and Mr. Beast go up, right? Which is like personality focused media companies. So when you're thinking as a young creator, I'm competing with the Sidemen or competing with Mr.

27:42Beast, you're actually competing with like a large organization, you know? And I think you're competing for the, the eyeballs of people who are now have this very high expectation of what that type of content looks like. But the way the Sidemen I think are really different is their, uh, in-person activations, their physical activations, Sidemen charity match, Sides restaurant, Sidemen retail. Um, and then also side plus is one thing we get into in the conversation is that that's one of their biggest revenue drivers is their membership clubs. Which is basically like their own version of Netflix.

28:14Their own Netflix. But if you haven't listened to it, it's a great conversation. And what he was really saying for creators, I don't think he was trying to like discourage creators, but he was acknowledging that it is a really difficult landscape. Yeah. And that he believes the true marker of, you know, your brand as a creator is if you can actually bring people into physical worlds. Like, can you really have a retail store? Can you bring people into an arena? And I think it's good to think about, even if you're a smaller creator, is like, are you actually providing enough value to bring people into a physical space?

28:48Okay. Now, along with something we talked about, which was this rise in short form content, potentially harming the creator economy, which has been kind of a topic of discussion recently. I want to bring in a question from Ethan, uncurated on the discord. Hey, Colin and Samir, I'm Ethan, and I'm mainly a short form creator. I have 200 ,000 followers on Instagram and only 1K on YouTube. And I've always wanted to be a long-form creator, but logistically right now, it doesn't really make sense to dedicate all my time to long-form content. How do you think I should dedicate my time to push towards the goal of being a long-form creator while not sacrificing the amount of eyes I have on my short-form platform?

29:24This is probably a question that a lot of creators are asking right now. You know, like there was so much explosive growth from short-form content and the reality is it's hard to monetize. It's hard to build a career strictly off of short-form content. I think the advertisers are there right now. Like we are doing short form advertising. I think it's effective when you do it, but we don't do it. It's not enough. I don't want to do it to the point where it would fully support us because I think it's hard to make compelling short form sponsored content or even just short form content in general.

30:00I guess if you are a short form creator though, like what do you invest in long form or are you a short form creator? Do you know what I mean? I think in this instance, Ethan wants to be a long-form creator. So watching his shorts, they're highly edited. So I think you have to make a decision when it comes to long-form. If you want to come out of the gate with some frequency and give yourself the opportunity to fail, you probably, considering your bandwidth strapped, need to bring the production down and think about, is there an idea I want to get across that warrants 20 minutes, 10 to 20 minutes, you know what I mean?

30:36and then just think about the writing as opposed to the visuals and think, can I just take shots at titling and thumbnailing and getting my thoughts out there? I would say on the other end of that, if you want to uphold your style, you're just going to upload less long form videos. You'll have less opportunities to learn, but that's not to say you can't become successful with fewer uploads. Yeah, but it does take time. Like the ROI of uploading a short form, like if I uploaded 10 short form videos and I'm a decent creator, the likelihood of one of them like gaining traction and viewership is high.

31:12Totally. If I upload 10 long form videos, the likelihood is low. So your dopamine is going to be dramatically different as a creator uploading short form and long form videos. And I think that's probably what is impacting short form creators going to long form. Cause it's like, I uploaded this one of them got 10 million views. To get 10 million views on a long form video is so incredibly hard. And it probably won't happen in your first hundred, 200 videos, which means potentially if you're uploading once a year, four years after you start uploading long form content, maybe you'll get there. Yeah.

31:48I mean, look, it does happen. Like Cleo Abram, 22 videos to a million. She came from Vox is making explainer style videos about tech and science. It can happen. Like you can study the platform and it can work. If I was in Ethan's shoes, I would probably start by just hosting to camera, like writing scripts, hosting to camera. He's a good writer. Yeah. Good writer, minimal B-roll and really work on the packaging. Like, can I make the title and thumbnail about this idea that I'm trying to get across, make it compelling enough? And then people click, they're into it. can I keep them for 10 to 15 minutes of me just sitting?

32:26And I would probably experiment at the same time. That's low lift. I would probably, considering his style, I would imagine he also likes to add that extra touch. I would probably work on something in the background, not put a time limit on it, but work on something that maybe takes a month or two, whatever, and put it out to see, do I like that experience in a different way? Does the audience like that experience of working on something for a month, a month or two? That's more highly edited. I think in the longterm, I'm like very bullish on long form evergreen content. I think that's like, you know, it's so important to have long format evergreen content on a YouTube channel because of the compounding effect.

33:04We're seeing it right now with our content. Like so much of our library is now gaining so much traction because we have videos that can be watched years and years and years in the future, which is something Zach King said to us in our creator round table that came out today. which was part of his checklist which was part of his checklist uh which was can this be viewed in 10 years is it an evergreen concept um and that applied to shorts too that did apply to shorts yeah so i think like thinking about the timeless nature like are you hopping on a trend or are you making something that if someone stumbles across it in a year that it's still relevant because that creates this compounding effect for your brand it's also like the gold standard of what makes entertainment successful period.

33:51Yeah. Like Seinfeld, right? Still being shown on TV today. The Office is basically Comedy Central. Totally. Like if you make something, if you can actually make something good that can be watched for all of time, that's also what Netflix wants. Like Netflix doesn't want to buy things that can only be watched in a certain time period. Totally. I mean, Goodfellas, great movie. Can be watched today. Could have been watched in the 90s. Could be watched in 10 years. Great movie. Create a round table. I brought that up. Yeah. That was a really, really cool experience. That video is out. It's the first time we ever did a roundtable discussion.

34:23We partnered with the streamies to do it, basically got together a bunch of streamy nominees and had a roundtable discussion. It's you, me, Cleo Abram, Michelle Corre, Amar from Yes Theory, Ryan Trahan, and Zach King. That's everyone, right? Yeah. I mean, it's the first time we've done it, but it also may be the first time - It's been done with creators. I think it's been done with creators, period. Yeah, yeah. Would love for everyone to go check it out. You know, go check it out. Let us know what you think. We want to do more of them. Want to do more of them? but I don't want to make it too frequent because I think it's a really special thing.

34:52I mean, logistically also, they're tough to put together. It's hard to fly everyone out and do it. We learned a lot on this first one, but I will say from a format perspective, it was one of the most fun conversations to like feel the energy of seven people getting to talk to each other. It was like so cool. I also think we could do that with groups like the Sidemen. Like we could do a Sidemen round table and Dude Perfect round table, right? Like these kind of creator groups we could do that too. I just think the format was killer. Yeah, super fun to do. We are nominated for a streaming this weekend.

35:26We went in super cocky last year. Thought we were a shoe-in to win our category, which was education. Lost to Tom Scott. We are up against - We were also publicly very confident. Super confident. It's not like we just internally were telling ourselves we're going to win. Yeah, it was like a boxing match on the channel and on the podcast. We were like, it's over. And we were like, first round KO. Like, it's going down. You're coming in. So hot. We came in too hot. Yeah. And then - I truly believe when I look at the category this year - Put us in our place. Yeah. Tom Scott won last year. I look at the category this year, and I think about the people involved.

35:59Veritasium's in the category. I think Veritasium should win it. Yeah. Veritasium is going to win. And then if we are fortunate to be nominated next year, I think that's our year. Maybe. I got to hold on to a little confidence, man. No, you're right. Come on. Like a little bit of where we should win. My father-in-law won an Emmy recently. Okay. Okay. Like in the past Emmys. And I was at his house this weekend and I held it and I looked at it and I was like, it's really kind of odd that we love these types of things. But I looked at it and I was like, I love this. I want one. I want something like this.

36:36Well, it's like universally something to strive for. Yeah, I just want that little streamy in here looking back at us being like, hey guys, you did something. Question. If we do win. Yeah. We get two streamies, right? No, I don't think so. We just get one streamie? Yeah, one streamie. Can we talk to someone? Steve the streamie. Yeah, we'll keep it in here. Yeah, we could probably talk to... I know. Yeah, we could talk to someone. There's two of us. Yeah, but we get one. That's what makes it special. That's true. Okay. Yeah. All right. You get two. It's kind of like, where's the streamie? Oh, it's in two...

37:09It's at Colin's house and at Samira's house. That's weird. Yeah. All right. All right. Clearly, we're in the deep end. We are in the deep end, but I did want to get to this question from Toasted in the Discord. Let's hit it. Hey, Colin Samir. My name is Michael. Though most people know me as Toasted. Mr. Beast is already the most popular YouTuber on the planet, and it seems like anytime soon, he's going to be the most popular person on the planet. In your guys' POV, what has fueled this latest stage of exponential growth to get him here? And is there anything creators can take away from it? Thanks.

37:40All right. Toasted. Toasted is basically asking, you know, So Mr. Beast, we know week in and week out is breaking records on YouTube. He has entered a new kind of, as he calls it, Mr. Beast is entering yet another stratosphere. He's entering a new, you know, stratosphere, sure, of his career. So the two-part question, what is fueling this growth and what can creators learn from it? Yeah, I think part of it is that when it comes to his concepts, he's doing things that have the maximum possible audience. like they have a huge scale to them, especially if you look at where this kind of started with the one-year-old versus a hundred-year-old concept that he did.

38:21Yep. Like age is something that everyone, every viewer who clicks on that video can attach themselves to one of those characters. And visually age is understandable. Yeah. Global appeal was one of the things I thought of, like the Olympics. It's like basically he figured out a way to say, can everyone see themselves in my video? Like every person. Yeah, can everyone who clicks see themselves in one of these characters, in one of these moments? You add multi-language audio, which I don't think should be overlooked at all. You know, like it's translated into 13 or 14 languages. So it's global appeal from a human perspective, but global appeal from a just sheer global perspective, language perspective.

39:00That's basically just the squid game effect. Yeah. I don't want to undermine focus. So this time last year, Jimmy had Beast Gaming, Beast Reacts, Beast Burger, Feastables, Main Channel, you know, and then a slew of other businesses also. This year, when you think about content, it's, you know, he even said this on our pod, it's Main Channel. Basically Main Channel and Feastables. It's Main Channel, Feastables, and Working Out. Those are his main focuses. Now, he does do short form, and he has invested quite a bit in doing short form content, but he's got a team around that. and they really, that's a great short form team that's just dominating.

39:39And I think one of the biggest things that all creators can take away that we even talked about this morning, it's like when everyone and your main focus is on like this one video during the week, you're like, that's the video I'm focused on. And even in talking to him casually as a friend, he's always focused on his next main channel video. Yeah. That is a different thing. Like, you know, to even slightly move your focus to like reacts or gaming and like, how's that performing? How's this performing? Like all of that stuff slightly chips away from your focus and it just spreads your focus out.

40:12If you are all your energy, all your creative energy is on the next main channel upload. I think we're watching the effects of focus right now. And I think that's just like the most important takeaway. It's if you were to take anything away from it, it's like globally appealing concepts where every human being can see themselves in the concept and can relate to it. understandability. Can you understand it from a language perspective or from a visual perspective? What I mean by that is like, you know, how ridiculous or dude perfect, like throwing a trick shot, throwing a basketball into a hoop from a far distance can be globally understandable.

40:44And then the third thing is like focus. Is that actually your primary focus? Is that video? Are you the creator hyper-focused on your next upload or are you spread out across merch and short form and all this other stuff. Like I think focus, focus, focus. All right. We're in the deep end. You got anything for me? I just wanted to highlight a creator that I came across on YouTube last night called Garrett's Adventures. This is a 19 year old who is sailing from Hawaii across the Pacific in a 27-foot sailboat by himself. And it's not necessarily filmed or edited in a style of someone who is like deep into YouTube analytics.

41:32Okay. But his first video tracks like the first 11 days, and it has, I think, almost 800 ,000 views. On Twitter? No, on YouTube. Oh, on YouTube. Yeah, yeah. But you found him on Twitter. No, no, no. I found him on YouTube. Did I say Twitter? You said Twitter. Oh. I meant, if I said Twitter, I meant X. No, I don't mean X. I mean Twitter. I don't know. No. I meant YouTube. Did I say Twitter? Are you good? Did I say Twitter? He said Twitter. Check the records.

42:03I just wanted to highlight a creator that I came across on YouTube. YouTube. YouTube. Yeah. So last night I find myself watching like 40 plus minutes of this guy traveling solo in a sailboat across the Pacific Ocean. Like it's totally insane. Like it feels like the challenge video that all challenge creators like would never do because it just requires like it's so intense, requires so much talent and skill. And honestly, I just was like hooked. And I think it shows that you don't always need to, uh, like study YouTube. You just need to do something that like can be authentic to you. You just need to sail by yourself across the Pacific ocean.

42:50Well, that actually, I think the, the honest lesson there is, uh, Hassan Minaj from our episode, he said, it's all about the PDF. Is the concept interesting before you pick up a camera? And I think that concept is interesting before you pick up the camera. Yeah. And even if you're watching him, like he, he doesn't film all of the most dramatic things. because he was in the middle of the dramatic thing. Sometimes he just tells the story of it on the boat the next day. And I just find it fascinating. Like the things that are happening from day to day, like his cell phone breaks and he has no more connection to like satellite.

43:24His wind meter breaks. How's he charging his batteries? Solar, but it's cloudy a lot of days. He's going through like 11 foot waves at times. His bed is getting drenched. It's like, it's really interesting. Okay. One more creator shout out. This was the winner of our first weekend film fest. So in our discord, we hosted weekend film fest, 48 hour film festival where we gave a prompt on a Friday. You had till Sunday night to submit it. The first prompt was show us a day in your life. And you could kind of take that creative and run with it. However you wanted 60 seconds or less. and the winner got two tickets to VidSummit.

44:09We hosted like a very dramatic, almost reality TV style live stage in Discord where we had all three of the finalists up on the stage with us. Then we took them all off the stage and only invited one back who was the winner. That winner was Tonio. Tonio made a great video. We're going to play that to end the episode so you guys can watch it. If you're listening, you can listen to it, but it's not the same effect. You should come on YouTube and watch it. But thank you so much for listening to this episode of creator support. That was our video intro checklist. Hopefully you guys like that. If we missed anything, put it in the comments.

44:42If you have any feedback for us, gripes, whatever you have, you can put it in the comments here. You can say it to us on discord, which is like, say it to us in our face or something. Let's play Tony O's video. All right. Let's play the video. All right. A day in your life, 60 seconds or less. Try and show us something that you do in your day-to-day life that you think is unique to you. Today's the day. You better make an interesting day in the life because there's a lot on the line

45:08Welcome to a day in my life. I get up ready to conquer the day the first step cold exposure After my ice-cold shower it's time to put a healthy breakfast in my body after that time for some meditation Now it's time to get some work done and let's edit but you can see we got the whole project here If you're wondering what this is, it's just deleted footage from today that we're not going to use. I'll be right back Today's gonna suck. And then you can just cut this part out. The water's not even cold. I just want it to come across like that. All right, I got the shot. We're good. Get rid of this crap.

45:40Hey, I got the shot. Can you please come inside now? It'd be a father, like a husband, please. All right. Whoops. Let's delete that. Export here. Ready. A day in my life. More like a day that I hope we'll get likes. Lemo, emu. And Doug. Here we have the lemo, emu. In its natural habitat. helping people customize their car insurance and save hundreds with Liberty Mutual. Fascinating. It's accompanied by his natural ally, Doug. Uh, Lemu? Is that guy with the binoculars watching us? Cut the camera! They see us! Only pay for what you need at LibertyMutual.com Liberty, Liberty, Liberty, Liberty! Savings vary.

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