Are Beyoncé and Jay-Z the reason the Sussexes came home?

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0:08The Sussexes are back and they've brought Jay-Z and Beyonce with them. Our ready-made A-list neighbours in the Cotswolds and playdates the final piece of the puzzle for Harry and Meghan's move back to Britain. Welcome to The Daily Tea with me, Camilla Tominey. And me, Rachel Johnson.

0:35Now, Rachel Johnson and Hannah Furness, lovely to see you. We're doing a royal update. And can I just say there was a magical moment in the Netflix documentary starring Harry and Meghan where the Duchess suddenly says, Beyonce's texted, and they gather around the phone, and it was like iconic, and something astonishing is happening because, Rachel, you're very well plugged into the Cotswolds. And do you think there may be a link between these two power couples moving to that extremely green and pleasant part of the UK? Tell us everything. Well, I mean, I may be putting two and two together and making five, but Beyonce and Jay-Z have been spotted in a garden centre in Burford.

1:21And we know that he's going to be making beautiful music. And, you know, we know that they're friends. I mean, Harry and Meghan were showing off that they were friends with Beyonce and Jay-Z. And, you know, can you imagine if, you know, just throwing this out there, spitballing, that Beyonce's children, who I read are called Blue Ivy Carter and the twins called Rumi Carter and Sir Carter. Love that. joined the equally titled Prince Archie and Lilibet at a posh independent private prep school somewhere in the Cotswolds. Head exploding, Hannah. We could have royalty versus pop royalty. It's so funny that it's dot, dot, dot in the Cotswolds.

2:07It's like your neighbours are the Bamfords. The Beckhams. The Clarksons. The King and the Queen. This could explain everything. And we speak as the Sussexes have landed. They flew into Birmingham Airport, which kind of gives a bit more fuel to the fire of the Cotswold Rema. The egos have landed. Now, now, the eagles have landed. The egos have landed. Ghost rider, ghost rider. People speaking into cuffs. But Hannah, you've written a very interesting piece talking about Harry and Meghan taking on the UK school run. And we wish them the best with that because every rural world in England seems to have a temporary light on it at the moment.

2:44But that's me being very telegraphian. But so we think they're in the region of the Cotswolds. We're not going to start speculating specifically as to where they're living or where the kids are going to school for security reasons. But this could be a link up, couldn't it? This could be the final piece in the puzzle. So we've been sitting here for days thinking this move makes 80 % sense, but we can't quite figure it out. So Harry's coming back to doing victors. Meghan's coming back to do the school run to get the kids settled in. There are lots of reasons to be here for the family. but Beyonce being down the road, it makes sense.

3:17It means that Meghan's got a bestie. Yes, it does. And what a bestie. What a bestie. Queen Bey. Who needs Queen Camilla when you've got Queen Bey? Quite. And by the way, this has been reported by rival newspaper The Sun in terms of Jay-Z being here because he's got two concerts on the 4th and 5th of September at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium and then the story's been picked up. And let's have a shout out for local news, please. Every good journalist started on a local paper. Ancestor bugle. It's actually the Wiltshire and Gloucester standard, which is reporting that, yes, confirming what you've heard is that Jay-Z and Beyonce have arrived, have been spotted in the area, soon to hook up in some kind of, I don't know, double date night with Harry and Meghan.

4:02So there you have it. And actually this whole, we were theorising, weren't we, why come here now? And somebody wrote something really interesting just on the kind of parenting and school run theme. We've got a regular correspondent called Spencer who writes lots of really insightful emails to the Daily Tea team. As in Diana Spencer? It's not one of those Spencers, it's a different Spencer. And he said this, which I think is interesting just to put the Californian experience into context. He's made the point that Montecito isn't a great place to raise kids. I mean, it's a great place to retire to.

4:34Even Malibu High School is considered better than some of the schools in that area, apparently. The reality is that the average public school in California and the average comprehensive in the UK are pretty similar. However, when it comes to private schools in Southern California, you'll have to drive much, much further. Everything is so spread out. So he's saying, I'm not surprised they're moving back to England and I'd be shocked if it wasn't an impulse. I can't imagine this was planned, but in California, I don't think they looked past the toddler and pre-K lifestyle. Kids grow up and want to have friends.

5:05There are some wealthy enclaves where it is reasonable to just play with your little kids on an acre off you. But if they got into sports you'd have to be driving around for considerable numbers of hours in LA traffic to give the kids anything near what they would expect to have a normal childhood and therefore if you don't want to be stuck in a car for four hours a day doing the school run then you leave Montecito and you head to the Cotswold. I think that makes perfect sense and also the other thing that happens is it happened to me I said this before you know my kids are at a day school in london i was you know i was driving up to north london and back twice today and then i went back to my old prep school in the english the rolling english countryside and it was you know designed by the same architect who did the white house there were rolling fields there were little boys playing cricket in whites on on you know the cricket pitches and i just thought this is what i want for my children start singing land of hope and glory no but i i then i came home i literally said to my husband we are sending our oldest to that school this is what happens when you're a parent the children come first and you sort of rearrange your life around the children I mean a number of parents that used to annoy me who moved to Oxford to send their children to the dragon school into Oxford because you can't actually physically get in and out of Oxford because of the traffic you have to live inside Oxford and people do that because they want to send their children to the dragon and if you look at the example of the Waleses their school has been hugely successful for them.

6:36Thomas is first and then Lambert. They have got this brilliantly supportive, loyal community. Nothing ever leaks out of that school. They play sports matches every weekend. The Prince and Princess of Wales are on the WhatsApp group. They've got this generation of friends for their three children. William and Harry have the same from when they were at school. They're lifelong friends with people that they boarded with. And I can see why Harry wants that now. And tell us about the whole daddy daycare element of the piece you've written? Well, I think it's both parents, to be fair. So they're moving to the UK.

7:07They've just arrived yesterday, we revealed. They've got a little while to settle into school. They get over the jet lag. They unpack. They settle the children into a completely alien environment. You know, Princess Lillibut is only the third time she's ever set foot on British soil, as far as we're aware. So they are headlong into school life. Their, you know, sources close to them are saying that is their number one focus. Get them settled. Once school starts we will see Harry almost immediately so we know every year he does the Well Child Awards and he does this what we've previously called a sort of quasi-royal week of engagements where he'll pop up doing things for his various patronages that's still being organised the Duchess is going to concentrate on the school and if everything feels settled and comfortable she might join Harry for some of those.

7:51Oh okay and have are there any updates on the security and And the fact that he hasn't got any security isn't internationally known. And so, you know, of that status alone, he can argue he is a target. So has anything temporary been put in place, do we know, Hannah? We are not aware that anything has technically changed. So the current system, when he comes back to the UK, he has to give a certain amount of notice. And he is given, it's a bit more complicated than this, but a layman's explanation. he's sort of given the number of a police liaison officer if they need help. Moving back to the UK obviously does change that drastically.

8:32They have had a reassessment. RAVEC, the Home Office Committee that looks at these things, has looked at it again. They haven't, as far as I'm aware, been given the results of that. When they arrived at the airport yesterday, they had no taxpayer-funded police protection with them for that journey to their new home. I would imagine the dial is going to have to move on this. Harry's argument has always been you know it's not about personality or popularity it's about risk and if Ravek considers that he is at serious risk he needs to have public protection there's going to have to be they need to be told whatever the decision is they will be told and I think he has a good argument to make on that score because you know he can say that Liz Truss can't possibly be a target for the Taliban or neo-Nazis but he could be and she was only in high office for 44 days he's always been the son of the heir to the throne and now the king and it's incredibly complicated you know these children are in the line of succession they're the seventh in the line of succession we've never seen their faces this is an incredibly complex debate and argument it will not be popular I don't think if the taxpayers are funding their security no but we want them to be But let's be very clear.

9:47It would be a disaster, not just a personal tragedy, if anything were to happen to them, God forbid, but it would be an international scandal also that it did and we'd been seen not to protect them. Okay. And to finish on a less serious note, do you think there is already a Cotswolds 26 WhatsApp group with Beyonce, Jay-Z, Harry and Meghan in it? And if there is, what's the profile pic? Is it a picture of a JCB? I'm just thinking, what could it be? Imagine. Imagine infiltrating that WhatsApp group. Imagine some of the pictures they're posting. Imagine where they're shopping. Oh, Beyonce, I've just discovered this great little shop called Waitrose.

10:28Oh, yeah, I'm familiar with it. More likely to be Dalesford. Dalesford. Let me tell you my new pet theory about this is that actually living in the Cotswolds might prove quite useful for the royal family in terms of what the Sussexes are saying publicly. so when they're in Montecito and they're in California they're surrounded by celebrity friends people who hate the paparazzi therapists who like to talk about generational trauma it's very easy for them to criticize the royal family or the institution or the commonwealth from afar once you're in the Cotswolds you tell us Rachel because you're our hotline to the Cotswolds around here people there are very connected it is not a hotbed of republicanism people are generally very supportive of the royal family they're loyal they value discretion if you're making public pronouncements whether it's serious things about institutional racism or unnecessarily vicious insults about your brother's alarming boldness next morning you're going to dalesford and getting glared across uh across the serial life it makes it much more difficult i would make two points um in regard to that.

11:33You're right, the Cotswolds is very royalist. Queen Camilla's lived there forever, Princess Anne, Queen Camilla's nephew, Ben Elliott. Carol Bamford basically invented the Cotswolds. It's also close to all the people I've mentioned. So you would not go in there, move in and go to some wonderful lunch party or drinks party and start whining about the institution. I mean, what does he mean? Having said that, who wouldn't want to go to a party with Jay-Z, Beyonce, Meghan and Harry just for the bragging rights? Yeah. Sorry, I'd go. Not that they'd ever invite me. But anything they say, I mean, how many minutes do you think it would take between Harry or Meghan saying something at a dinner party and Queen Camilla hearing about it?

12:25five minutes depending on who was there and there are a lot of loose lips in the amongst the honey stones thank god there's nothing journalists like more than loose lips on that bombshell goodness me breaking news every second of the day on this story hannah finesse thank you

12:51Rachel do you remember the famous Labour isn't working poster of the year of my birth by the way 1978 by Saatchi and Saatchi don't show off I'm sorry I'm so young well I'm not yet 50 but I'm I'm hurtling towards it let's be honest time waits for no man so it was that picture of a queue at the unemployment office and it was hugely influential in seeing Margaret Thatcher elected a year later. And don't you feel the same sort of kind of atmosphere around youth unemployment and unemployment in general? And the figures are quite startling because we've got this latest stats drop suggesting that one million young Brits are still jobless or out of school as entry level roles vanish and in unemployment surges.

13:35So that's one million people in Britain neither working nor studying, so-called NEETs, not in education or employment. That's forecast to go up to 1.2 million by the end of Parliament. By Alan Milburn. By Alan Milburn, who's doing the review. But look at this stat. 1.3 million, eh? Well, nearly 1.3 million. By the way, that's the unemployment rate of the under-25s under Thatcher in 1982. Exactly that. So there is a correlation between today and the Labour isn't working poster. it feels like we are hurtling back towards the 1970s, which is rather disturbing, is it not? But that was under Thatcher, not Labour.

14:12But what I think is it looks like we're going back to the 1970s in that is the next general election actually going to be fought over employment rather than immigration? Because if immigration continues to tumble, as it must do, following the, sorry to mention it, Boris wave of that 945 ,000 peak, then that becomes less relevant to the debate. what's going to be relevant to the debate in 2029, if that's when the election is, is surely how many young people... And how many people haven't got jobs and how the jobs either aren't available because of NICs or because of AI. By the way, though, Camilla, gross migration in 2025 was still over 840 ,000.

14:53So it's just that the exodus of over 640 ,000, mainly EU and Brits, took it down to what looked like a very low figure for net migration. The migration crisis is, in my view, not over. No, and I think it will form part of the next general election campaign. But I just think these economic matters, because it's been suggested that there is a generational issue with a certain sector of our society, the so-called Gen Zs, Zs, who are sort of being described as feckless and not willing to work. And a lot of them have signed off sick and are saying they're unfit because of neurodiverse conditions or mental health problems and all the rest of it.

15:33And there's this whole suggestion that they're just being lazy. But hang on a minute, is that the case? Because as we're going to find out, Sherelle Jacobs, our colleague here, a Telegraph columnist, has conducted an experiment where she's tried to get a job as a Gen Z and it's proved very, very difficult. So, yeah, we might have some generational issues and maybe they're a hangover from COVID and we will discuss that in just a minute. But equally, imagine being 18 to 24, applying for multiple jobs, whether you're a graduate or a non-graduate, by the way, same problems are facing both university leavers and school leavers, and having barriers put up at every turn, most notably, by the way, by AI.

16:13AI isn't just a threat to that generation in terms of will you have a job that will stand the test of time? It seems to be a threat to that generation simply in the application process. You can't get your CV through the digital door, which isn't a problem that I encountered when I was searching for my first Saturday job. Was it one for you? No, of course not. No, I was. I mean, yeah, we had it. We had it so, so easy. I mean, I'm a very, very late baby boomer and I think I had the peak of everything and my heart breaks for the under 30s now. Well, let's speak to Shirelle, who conducted a unique experiment, which she's writing about in her Telegraph column.

16:51Now, Shirelle, Rachel and I have been discussing this whole NEETS crisis and how difficult it is proving for Gen Zs or Gen Zs, as I should say, to be very telegraphian about it, into work. You conducted an experiment and it's actually given you much more sympathy for the younger generation. Tell us about it. So an acquaintance of mine told me that they were having trouble with their nephew who's really eager to get a job. He's 18 years old, looking for an apprenticeship, can't find an apprenticeship, and then started to look for a job in his local supermarket and couldn't get one. And so I thought, well, what if I tried to get a job at a supermarket?

17:34Would I be able to, with my previous retail experience, just how bad is it for the next generation? And I thought that I would at least get to the interview stage when I applied for a job as a supermarket assistant at a store in East London for£15 an hour. And I did not. I did not get past even the situation analysis stage of the interview. It's kind of an online part where you do a multi-option quiz about how you would respond to particular scenarios on the shop floor. And I just totally bombed these questions. I was deliberating with the AI afterwards about my answers and the AI wasn't really impressed with the options that I opted for.

18:30Could you have got AI to fill out the questionnaire, though, so that you passed that stage? I could have, but I really wanted to see whether I could actually get through based on how I would honestly answer the questions. So just to give you an example, one of them was that there's a customer who comes in and they are looking for a particular product that is on offer. And the product is actually late coming in stock and how you would respond to that. So I opted to say to the customer, oh, I'm really sorry, we don't have that particular item in stock. But look at these other items that are similar that we do have.

19:06And apparently this violates the number one rule in corporate retail, which is no upselling. So it's just like nuances like that. You think, well, would an 18 year old who is applying for this role, would they really understand that? If they're trying to answer them in a manner that is proactive and is trying to be helpful, then it just seems quite staggering that now it's actually as convoluted and as competitive to get a role as a part-time checkout assistant as it is to get an analyst role at Goldman Sachs. And I think that when you get to that point, you know that something is wrong. I mean, a digital barrier is being put up, right?

19:51So I hear this from some of my middle-aged female friends, that there's some kind of like AI system that as soon as you've submitted your CV, I mean, it's now advisable, by the way, to just not put an age on it at all, that instantly you're consigned to some kind of virtual dustbin and you just can't get, you can't jump through the first hoop. Now, when we were back young and I worked at Waitrose and you just went into the store and said, have you got any jobs going? And then you'd fill out a form there and then with a pen and paper and they'd kind of get size you up, wouldn't they, in person.

20:25And if they felt you were competent and they had a vacancy, you'd go and take it. I feel it's like, you know, what a barrier to put up. You've not even got anywhere near the job before you're being asked to jump through digital hoops that have some kind of predestined yay or nay outcome. Yeah. And also you do wonder, because when my children who are all, well, in work of some description, when they have to look for other jobs, they have to spend hours filling out, doing letters, doing CVs, filling out questionnaires, putting in applications. and you know they often don't ever get a reply so it's not just a digital barrier it's a bureaucratic barrier and so you know my heart goes out to these needs all they're getting is net without even you know showing their faces or showing what they can do by the way what was the answer if a product is out of stock if it's not but this you can buy this it is simply to tell the customer that it is out of stock but it will be in stock tomorrow um because yeah it's this subtle distinction with supermarkets about the role of the sales assistant is not actually as a salesperson it's a logistics operator so you're really there just to facilitate the in the best way that you possibly can the customer getting access to the specific things that they came in for so um yeah it's it it's it's really depressing actually that we are assessing young people not on kind of their proactive nature their ability to think out of the box but their ability to absorb and sort of repeat back corporate norms even when it comes to just a job at a checkout and with the neat it's particularly um serious because if you're from a family where you have someone there to pick you up at the end of the day and say keep going you know that persistence at some point hopefully is going to pay off but if you're from a chaotic family if you are from a family where many people have not worked maybe multiple generations granny hasn't worked mum hasn't worked that hasn't worked and you try and then this is the kind of response that you get you're not even getting to the part where a human is assessing your application you're getting uh you're getting rejected by robots then that can be extremely disheartening and what was quite interesting this week as well as conducting this experiment i went to a organization called jericho in birmingham and what they're doing is they're trying to work with these young people who are furthest away from the job market amongst these one million neat young people and what they're finding is that if they worked for three months with these young people literally dragging them out of bed working on their mental health challenges trying to educate them on actually what are quite starkly basic things like the concept of annual leave and booking it rather than just deciding that you're going to have a day off when you feel like it because if you if you actually don't come from a background where people talk to you these basic things and why would you know?

23:49But after about three months, they get over the hump and then they are job ready and they're ready to hold down a job. But the new challenge that that organisation is seeing is that even when they get these children ready for the job market is carnage. And they're having to run this gauntlet that seems to have emerged due to a mixture of AI taking away jobs, but also So economic stagnation and labour policies, frankly, the cumulative tax burden and things like national insurance hikes just making it very, very difficult for businesses to hire people. Sherelle, you've written about this experience with the supermarket.

24:28Did you offer them a right to reply? And if so, what did they say? Not yet. So we haven't got to that stage. I've just sent her the piece across. So I'll be interested to see what they say. All I can say is that they did say in my rejection email, They invited me to apply for a lower ranking role. So, you know, watch this spoil. I may be back having applied for the role of cleaner or stock replenisher. See if I can get an interview for that. I remember once I went to work on a kibbutz and the job I was assigned was male sanitation, which meant cleaning the urinals. Just saying. How was that for you, Rachel?

25:10I'm not going to discuss it. Cheryl, I've got another question, which is about when it comes to the neats and this brilliant sounding outfit, Jericho in Birmingham. Do you think there's a, you know, I know I became obsessed at the time, but I remember thinking the pandemic was going to have this unintended consequence. If you pay people not to work, if you tell children, young people, that they don't have to go to school or to find a job or out of the house and they could do everything on a screen. And, you know, I remember the story of a friend's cleaner and she she had to stand him down during the pandemic.

25:47Then she discovered that he was also taking furlough money. So he was actually being paid twice not to work. So how much do you think we're seeing all this, the backwash of all those decisions that Rishi and Boris and Michael and Matt Hancock, the quad, took in the pandemic? I just keep hearing stories of children who were part of that lockdown disruption and just never went back to school. And it's just been a downward spiral since for them. And so I think that our understanding of the impact of lockdown on the neat crisis now, it feeds into it, just barely scratches the surface. And I think going back to this theme of children who are from quite unstable families, if you put something like that into the mix, then it is a recipe for disaster.

26:42Because sometimes school, college is the only structure that that child has in their life. You know, that's perhaps the only place that they are guaranteed square meals as well. And when you take that away, then you're just leaving them in the wilderness. And I think that a lot of this crisis does come back to lockdown in a way in which I think the political class is not willing to acknowledge. But people outside the political class, you speak to charities, NGOs, organisations who are at the coalface working with these children, they're very candid about the fact that lockdown has played a part in the problem that we have.

27:22When I was growing up, maybe when Camilla was growing up as well, you know, if push came to shove, you could go flipping hamburgers or you could stack shelves. And I know that Sadiq and Andy Burnham have been performatively stacking shelves this week. But now it seems because of the tax changes, the tax burden on employers, McJobs aren't available even anymore. Would you conclude that's the case? Yeah, and I think that the supermarkets are particularly symbolic because in the 1980s and 1990s, they were literally built the superstores on post-industrial land and they were supposed to embody the future of the working class job.

28:05You know, if you were willing to show up, put in a good day's work, then you would be able to build a life off of the salary that you generated as a result of that. And I think that the way that that job has become elitised, as it were, and the way that the number of these jobs available has just collapsed quite strikingly over the last few years with self-checkouts replacing ordinary humans. and so forth um i feel like nobody's got an answer to that question of what does a regular working class decent job look like and it scares me just how little labor are thinking about it or any party for that matter um but when i look for example at Andy Burnham's Plans for Apprenticeships, which are just basically about partnering young people with local job placements without really thinking about how you're going to recalibrate your approach to training them and what skills they're going to need for the AI era.

29:22I mean, that's a huge oversight. And I've spoken to employers who are keen for any vocational reform to take this into account because when you don't have you're replacing routinized repetitive work with work that demands perhaps more use of commercial judgment creative thinking advocacy skills these are the things that they say that they're looking for surely government should be thinking about how you integrate those into the curriculum whether it's vocational or academic. I just thought thinking about it and that terrifies me. Sherelle Jacobs, thank you very much for joining us on The Daily Tea and we look forward to reading your piece.

30:05Thank you. Sherelle there pointing out kind of the supermarket end of things, but the other worrying statistic is this decrease in the availability of graduate jobs. So we think the number of graduate jobs on offer this year is 49 % lower than it was last year. Now, we've got dual problems for young people. On one end of the scale, they can't get the jobs. On the other end of the scale, they can't get the jobs. And also Pat McFadden is saying universal credit causes people to be signed off work indefinitely and he wants to tackle it. And he says being in work and being out work or fit for work or unfit for work is too black and white.

30:42So it looks like, you know, Labour might have to come after the benefits to those who are out of work at some point if they can get it past the backbenchers. But if they can't then get work. I know, that's the problem. It's a catch-22. You have this discussion on the right, don't you, that there's no point people being better off on benefits and that work is the best thing. And to be fair, I think it's a sensible thing to argue that if you've been signed off with mild anxiety or some neurodiverse condition, then actually being in the workplace will help you through your problems. So there's neurodiversity, there's also mental health.

31:15We think that work helps in both cases. But if there aren't the jobs... And if there aren't the jobs and the welfare... bill is is you know spiraling out of control labor has got to grip it otherwise they're going to hand the next election to somebody to another party and yeah they will need to reverse i think the rise index on employers it's what the tories are planning to do anyway according to helen yes and so shadow work and shadow work and bank pension secretary they will have to do something to create the job, to jumpstart the jobs market for all reasons. There's lots of hand-wringing going on.

31:56It's like putting a sticking plaster on a bullet hole. Do you know what I mean? Like McFadden's on the airwaves today and then he's challenged, well, what conditionality will you place on job seeking and losing your benefits if you're fit for work but you don't want to work? And it was all a bit wishy-washy. We had the same with the interim report from Stephen Timms. He's looking into PIP payments, personal independence payments. And again, he's not trying. I mean, I agree that probably it isn't particularly helpful to have this debate about so-called scroungers and shirkers and Farage is using this language of alarm clock Britain.

32:28You know, the great dividers between those who work and those who don't work. Grifters and grafters. Grifters and grafters. We're not talking about the Sussexes. No, no. But let's be honest, the problem slapping us all squarely in the face is if we've got an increasing elder population, so people who aren't working because they're literally retired and they're too old to work. and not enough young people to fund them, then that is seriously the wrong way around. I mean, you would expect, you want the jobs market at the beginning of people's careers to be really, really lively and really, really active because you need to get as much people out of school and education onto the workforce to have the taxes to pay the pensions of those who aren't.

33:09That's why this is really, really damaging because ordinarily you'd have a thriving jobs market at the lower end and you haven't got that. And also the tax, you know, the percentage of the population who are paying taxes compared to the percentage of the population, you know, receiving benefit is, you know, it's not where it should be. And that threshold was passed the other month where the Treasury was paying more out in benefits than it was receiving in income taxes. Did you see that one? I mean, that's ridiculous. But, you know, you've got to question the motivation of the Labour Party here.

33:46Because if, as I read, a very pithy and pointed comment under one of the Telegraph pieces on Matt Pat McFadden, which is this. The Labour Party, if they continue like this, are perpetuating an electoral fraud upon the people because they are buying votes with benefit and charging those votes to the taxpayer. Right. This is electoral fraud. So if Andy Byrne and Pat McFadden don't actually do something, you've got to question why that is. It's because they need the client base of people on benefits and the pensioners. So they've committed to the triple lock and they basically, they're not going to do anything on welfare because they want to win the next election.

34:25Yeah. And equally, why would you vote for a party that wants to take your benefits away? Exactly. Vicious cycle stuff, Rachel Johnson. We've had a lovely week together. Thank you very much for your company. we're going to be back tomorrow at 5pm with a snap election special so we're going to war game the different scenarios in which Andy Burnham might be forced to call an early election we've got weekend tea on Saturday we've got a Sunday showdown coming and Bank Holiday Monday we've got a special edition of the Royal Tea so much more tea to come

35:06Thank you.