


14 Sep 2026 · 11m · 5 chapters

The episode discusses Meghan’s request for taxpayer-funded police security after returning to the UK with Harry, Archie, and Lilibet. Key claim: the Home Office committee (Ravec) has told Meghan she can submit her own risk assessment, unlike in the past when assessments were not considered while she was in the UK pre-2020. Background: Harry previously sought a judicial review and lost; he later obtained a review in July, but circumstances had changed because the family was living in America.
Kim and Atomany (hosts) and Jacob Rees-Mogg (host), plus Vicky Ward, Deputy Royal Editor at The Telegraph.
Salman Rushdie as a case where security is justified by specific threats; discussion of “public figures” vs “private citizens” affecting security optics.
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Discussion on Meghan's entitlement to taxpayer-funded protection and her recent risk assessment.
“In fact, he argues that it's probably gone up, which is potentially quite likely we give a negative narrative and threats against them.”
Exploration of the public perception of security for Harry and Meghan and the historical context.
“It'll add that level of formality and officialdom to it, won't it?”
Discussion on the tension between Harry and Meghan's desire for privacy and their public status.
“And we know that privately they've railed against that and they're saying no we're public figures which then provides a justification for the taxpayer funded security.”
Further dialogue on the nature of risks faced by public figures and the implications for security.
“La argumento sobre public figures es un poco más separado, ¿no?”
Information on the timetable for the Sussexes' security assessments and public expectations.
“There's nobody in public life who hasn't.”

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1:02Si se han hecho en el día de hoy. A la wayfair.com. La wayfair, el estilo, el home. La Sussexes' security row takes a new turn as Meghan will have her own risk assessment on whether she is entitled to taxpayer-funded protection now she, Harry, Archie and Lilibet have moved back to Blighty. But what will the British public say about this? Welcome to a special exclusive episode of The Daily Tea with me, Kim and Atomany. And me, Jacob Rees-Mogg. Harry's argument has always been that whether or not they're working royals is totally irrelevant and it's all about risk. So the risk, he argues, the risk that was there pre-2020 that allowed them to have police protection hasn't gone away.
1:44In fact, he argues that it's probably gone up, which is potentially quite likely we give a negative narrative and threats against them. Jacob, it's a busy news day because we have got some breaking news on the royal front. Vicky Ward, Deputy Royal Editor, joins us now. Reveal all what's happened. Well, there's a development in the security issue with Harry and Meghan. So Meghan has been told for the first time that she can have her own risk assessment. Now she's back in the UK to allow the Home Office Committee responsible for making these decisions about security, whether or not she and Harry and the children are going to get taxpayer funded police protection.
2:17Now, how does that change things? porque sabemos que Ravec, que es el comité entrusted con la decisión de hacer sobre la gente como Prince Harry siendo protegida usando el dinero de dinero de dinero de dinero de dinero. Sabemos que era investigar y carrying a risk assessment pero no han considerado eso para Meghan. No, desde que leclaré de la UK. Así que ella hubiera tenido un risk assessment cuando ella era un arco de la Royalía pre-2020. Ella hubiera tenido su own risk assessments porque ellos habían un dinero de dinero de dinero de dinero de la policía. Desde que leclaré de la UK que se ha tenido nada porque se ha tenido nunca realmente sido la última vez que no hay significado Harry ha sido fighting para la investigación de la investigación por años he obviously went a la high court con esta judicial review application que se ha perdido y se ha perdido he eventually got his investigación de la investigación en July pero en el momento él estaba viviendo en América y en el resto de la vida estaba en América así que es considerado que se ha perdido ahora están de vuelta Ravec ha met y discutir este examen que se ha hecho en el año de julio y ha llegado a ellos y ha dicho que esto es todo de acuerdo, necesitamos un nuevo, me gusta un nuevo, necesitamos un nuevo para el Harry, necesitamos saber tu pattern de vida en el UK, ahora tu circunstancias completamente cambiadas, la escuela de timings, dónde están, dónde están, dónde están, quiénes están, quiénes están, qué están haciendo, qué están haciendo en la weekend, necesitan un nuevo, un nuevo pattern of life's picture so they can then assess the need for security afresh.
3:47But this makes them basically royal whatever the Lord Chamberlain says, doesn't it? Because if they get security and the Duchess of Sussex turns up for an event and she turns up with two police cars and they park on double yellow lines and somebody opens the door for them, it looks exactly like a royal visit. Absolutely. It'll add that level of formality and officialdom to it, won't it? Pero Harry su argumento ha sido que si es que si es totalmente irrelevant y es todo sobre la risa. El riesgo, lo que es ahí pre-2020 que permitió que les permitió haber policía protección no ha ido. En realidad, él argumentó que ha ido probablemente ha ido, que es probablemente probablemente con todo el negativo narrativo y threats contra ellos.
4:29Entonces, él dice que si es que si es un riesgo de si es totalmente irrelevant, hay una gran riesgo contra mí y mi familia y que debería haber protección. Pero es que es cierto que, en este país, la seguridad es la gente que es la gente que es la gente porque de los posts que se fill o a una muy, muy específica de threat. Salman Rushdie tenía seguridad porque hay una fatwa en él. Pero, además, la gente de los royales y muy senior ministros se han seguridad y muy senior ministros se han dado por un tiempo después de haber left ofis. Pero nadie más le does. No es porque hay un gran, gran, gran riesgo que alguien se le llama a ti.
5:09Bueno, lo que dice que es lo que es para ser tan solo en riesgo. Es por eso que tienen estos riesgo de riesgo de riesgo. Es no es para ser conectado a tu rol. Si eres muy alto, eres atreco, como Salma Rushi, debería ser protegido porque el impacto en la U.K., el impacto de lo que está sucediendo, es lo que están tratando de riesgo. Es que es tan alto, si es tan alto, entonces deberías ser encargado a protección. Ese es su argumento, siempre ha sido su argumento durante la vista judicial.
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7:30Talk us through the tension and Jacob mentioned the Lord Chamberlain's letter that was sent last week on the say so of the king to clarify the fact that the couple are non-working royals and the phrase used to describe them was private citizens. And we know that privately they've railed against that and they're saying no we're public figures which then provides a justification for the taxpayer funded security. We have this Instagram drop today of the couple and their children. We think at all thought they stayed with Charles Spencer, Harry's uncle, for three days in the summer. One of the first places they visited before moving back.
8:09So how are they balancing this? Because the more they seek privacy, which was one of the aims of Megxit apparently, the less likely they are to qualify. pero ya que quieren ser conocidos como public figures que luego les da unir a más scrutiny que luego puede ponerlos más a risk. La argumento sobre public figures es un poco más separado, ¿no? Porque pueden ser public figures y también estar splashing around en los coxsworlds y aún tienen un riesgo de riesgo contra ellos cuando van a ir a la escuela, por ejemplo. Sí. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. Así que su argumento, Harry's diciendo, Listen, this isn't about me being attacked by, God forbid, some disgruntled former Taliban outside the opening of an envelope somewhere.
8:54This is about us going about our daily lives, going for a pint down the pub. It's all about status, isn't it? And there's great history to this, that in the Middle Ages, Parliament legislated for how many attendants you could have, depending on your ranking in the peerage. And this is all about status. It always has been. y as i say it's not new that people want security to show they're important and data y potentially money as well, because we know that to cover the cost of their own private security is going to cost millions. Yes. And that's a problem. We know that they had to get these Netflix deals and Spotify deals in America in order to cover their security costs.
9:32They were quite open about that at the time. They couldn't just live on their investments and their family money. They needed to work. Yes. We should point out that we've done a royalty special with somebody that resembles the UK version of Jack Reacher, who is an expert on security. y el figure que le pone en el potencial costo personalmente a los Sussexes de protegerse y sus familias es mind-blowing y entonces le pone un contexto a este deseo de ser covered por el pago. Pero aquí es el pregunta, Vicky. Creo que el pago de la pago de la idea de proteger Prince Harry no solo como un hinojo de la roya, pero también porque he served dos tours de Afganistán.
10:13Y sabemos que hay extremadamente desgruntled people out there, no concierto, frankly the idiocy of him admitting to killing 25 Taliban in his autobiography Spare. I think they're going to be more reluctant to come up with the cash for Meghan which may just be a reflection on people's less warm feelings towards her as an individual but what do you think? I agree actually and I think it's been a concern of Rabeck. I think we did a story a few months ago about how there were factions within Rabeck that were concerned about the public perception of giving these people who don't actually representan a monarchy, such a massive, such a hugely expensive security detail.
10:51It's a big concern. I do think they, I mean, Harry argues that it shouldn't be a concern, but obviously Ravec is concerned with how it looks, and it's the taxpayer at the end of the day that is going to be putting their hands in their pocket. But then the less popular she is, the more she might merit protection. It depends what the protection is for. That if it is the protection against a serious terrorist attack, about which there is intelligence, then the state will provide that and quite right too, as with Salman Rushdie. If on the other hand it is the risk that as they're going about their private business, somebody throws a cup of coffee over them, that's a risk anybody who's in the public eye takes and cannot be given security for.
11:32Have you ever had a cup of coffee thrown at you? Well, no point in getting into these sorts of things because it just encourages people. Or an egg or something like that. Of course I have, of course I have. There's nobody in public life who hasn't. Pero no puedo esperar el Rosas para ir a la gente para que todos los que se van para que se van pero que se van si es un identificar terrorista y el problema se me parece ¿de qué es Ravec que hay evidencia de eso? En el caso de que de course se va a provide security y que es lo que hay varios factions y que hay Harry y Meghan providing their daily life patterns pero también hay también que hay all the intelligence y police data sobre la risks de la violencia de los ataques de los ataques que han sido en la gente que han sido en jale, por making threats against them, where are they now?
12:14The stalkers, you know, there's a lot of elements that they're pulling in. You think they're pretty safe because they cause such trouble for the monarchy that anyone who's anti the monarchy would be trying to keep them going for as long as possible. It's true. Very quickly, Vicky, do we have any timetable on the assessment? Do we know when it will complete and do we know when we'll get the answer to the question as to whether they're getting the police to protect them or not? So the Sussexes are going to give over there all the information that is required this week the details about where they are and their life the pattern of life stuff and the daily routines and then Ravec will have to meet you would assume in the next two or three weeks but we don't know and then they'll make a decision and then we go from there so it'll be within weeks I would go.
12:57Top scoopage Miss Ward, well done. We'll be back with more royal news at some point including that Jack Reacher lookalike who Vicky and I enjoyed being in the company of We've got to be honest, Jacob. And you and I are going to be back tomorrow for The Daily Tea, tomorrow 5pm. I look forward to it.
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In an exclusive bonus episode of today’s The Daily T, Camilla Tominey and Jacob Rees-Mogg speak to The Telegraph’s Deputy Royal Editor Victoria Ward on her exclusive report into the Duchess of Sussex receiving her own risk assessment to determine whether she too should be entitled to taxpayer-funded security.
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