


Zia Yusuf (Reform UK) argues Labour’s immigration measures are too weak, criticizes legal routes to asylum (including student visas), proposes major legislative changes to enable faster deportations, and discusses Reform positions on DEI/quotas, the Iftar/Trafalgar Square controversy, and banning face coverings (including but not limited to the burqa).
Zia Yusuf is Reform UK’s Home Affairs spokesperson. Tim Stanley and Rachel Johnson host The Daily Tea.
Yusuf says Labour is using “a super soaker to a forest fire” and that immigration decline won’t happen without “hard power” and legal reforms. He claims about half of asylum claims involve legal entry routes, citing student visas. He argues foreign aid should be cut by 85–90% (keeping seats at the UN/IMF). He says deportation figures are misleading because they include voluntary departures and cases where departures aren’t known until after. He supports repealing the Human Rights Act and Equality Act to clear the way for detention and deportation.
visa bans targeting Afghanistan/Cameroon/Myanmar/Sudan; Pakistan’s role in legal visa entry and low return rates; asylum hotels with 37,000+ staying over a year; Iftar amplified in Trafalgar Square; football coaching DEI targets (non-white quotas) and “woke”/racist critique; burqa/face-covering ban framed as un-British and linked to crime prevention.
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Zia Yusuf discusses recent immigration measures and their implications.
“Zia Yusuf, Reforms Home Affairs Spokesman, welcome to The Daily Tea.”
Exploration of asylum claims through legal routes and the small boats crisis.
“So let's first define what the problem is.”
Zia explains the need for stricter visa policies and cuts in foreign aid.
“que viene en el maravilloso en marchanda y one dur maior propósito entre la pobreza.”
Discussion on the failures of the current government and historical context.
“We think those are in the national interest.”
Analyzing the impact of Boris Johnson's policies on immigration and asylum.
“es que la gente que están hablando y con engaging con son muy muy en la extrema de los muslimos en este país.”
Explore the dynamics of immigration policies and their impact post-Brexit.
“sí que se trata de la política de la E.U.”
Discuss the rising number of asylum seekers and the challenges they face.
Examine how immigration remains a critical issue for UK voters ahead of elections.
“We've seen a story today that there's been a 40 % surge in the number of asylum seekers who are in asylum hotels for more than a year.”
Analyze the government's deportation strategies and their effectiveness in reducing illegal immigration.
“And we can go through each of the specific things you talked about.”
Delve into proposed legislative changes aimed at tightening immigration controls in the UK.
“FORMER ¿ A Con Loue M M Julio confront a Priv Death desde Priv Death desde a host of others.”
Discuss the implications of positive discrimination policies in sports coaching roles.
“Were where you know even the Rwanda thing.”
Discussing the discrimination faced by white working-class boys and the impact of DEI programs.
“Tenemos la seguridad de los servicios, el Banco de la Ingles.”
Exploring the beliefs surrounding meritocracy and equality in hiring practices.
“Mi view es, número uno, es morally reprehensible porque, como he dicho, you've got this whole group now.”
Analyzing the disparity of women in engineering roles and the importance of equal opportunities.
“que se ve como la gente que se veía o la gente que se veía en el trabajo, son más probablemente a la gente que se veía el trabajo.”
Zia's views on the Iftar event and its implications for religious practices in public spaces.
“We can pick a career at random, plumbing or bricklaying.”
Examining the cultural dynamics surrounding Christianity and public events in the UK.
“As we're talking about male-dominated institutions, to ask you about the Iftar and Nick Timothy's comments on the Iftar in Trafalgar Square, which he described as an act of domination.”
The discussion centers on the influence of Christianity in British legislation and public life.
“Assuming that such a thing happens these days.”
The conversation shifts to face coverings, exploring their implications for societal integration and safety.
“Pero también también, lo que es obviamente true que en un liberal democrático, la mayoría de nuestra interacción como humanos es facial.”
Discussion on the relationship between face coverings and crime prevention, highlighting public safety issues.
“por eso que se hace que en una de las más surveilled ciudades en el mundo en términos de CCTV, la idea de que se puede unilaterally optar de esa surveillance en un whim es crazy.”
The focus turns to the vetting processes of political candidates and the challenges of maintaining standards.
“One, Malcolm Offord, your leader in Scotland.”
A look at the future of political representation and the potential for new voices in leadership.
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Explore the political implications of accountability and representation in British politics.
“that the majority, I think people might surprise pero la mayoría de los cabezas, si ganas, se van a ser personas fresas de la política.”

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2:27también dice que PMQs es es muy importante si Starmer no responde preguntas después de reformas walkout this week. Welcome a The Daily Tea con me, Tim Stanley. Y me, Rachel Johnson.
2:47Zia Yusuf, Reforms Home Affairs Spokesman, welcome to The Daily Tea. We want to obviously get into immigration with you because this is the week en el que Shabana Mahmoud se ha hecho en la medida de la migración. Y yo quiero mencionar un poco de ellos, porque algunas de estas cosas son muy duras y difíciles. Incluso un emergencia break en visas de Afganistán, Camerón, Myanmar y Sudán, intentando contra la surge en asimil claims de los cuatro países, con un aumento de 470 % de los casos de los casos siendo recorded entre 2021 y 2025. También un cambio en el estatus de familia necesidad para asimil claims, so that claims will be reduced from you can bring in a relative to you can bring in a close relative.
3:31Zia, this is pretty strong stuff, especially from a Labour Home Secretary. Does this mean that Labour is doing what you want? And therefore, why should people vote for you? Well, what Shabana Mahmood and Labour are doing is bringing, you know, a super soaker to a forest fire. That's what they're doing. None of this is going to be remotely enough. It might slow the decline somewhat of this country, but it's going to do absolutely nothing to arrest it properly and to turn the country around. So let's first define what the problem is. And there's a whole multitude of problems here. Number one is obviously the small boats crisis and people coming to the country illegally.
4:10But around about half, just under half actually, of asylum claims, people enter the country through legal routes. Things like student visas, which we can come on to. One in eight of the current asylum backlog didn't come here by small boat, didn't pay people smugglers. They came here on a student visa. One in eight. And that's just one of the scams within a scam that you see now immigration. So that's one thing. Then you've got legal immigration. We can zoom in on what we called the Boris wave, which was north of four million people coming in over the course of four years as a direct result of Boris Johnson, yes, taking back control.
4:47y en court ero, a total, un transfergibre大� wild un control de la tierra en el полностью de la población en la infinición de la migración, de protegerlos fuechla de insanlar que viene en el maravilloso en marchanda y one dur maior propósito entre la pobreza. Ahora, el paso decisivo de un maravilloso si ese borrillo es no avertido. Y, esto es legal, immigration es que se va a ser en la ciencias y ciencias de billones de pounds de la vida de esos personas. Y luego hay otra cosa, de la ciencias que es que es claramente bueno de un millón de personas que ya están en este país que es ponerle enorme presión en la cultura de este país, en la social contracte de este país, en la publicidad de este país.
5:39Y así, tenemos que deporte todos esos personas, también. Entonces, cuando yo cuando yo defino lo que el problema es, lo que se va a la mamut. Y por lo que, se ha hecho un... ¿Por qué? Se ha hecho un... ¿Por qué? Lo que se ha hecho un... ¿Por qué? Es stop visas a Pakistan. Y por lo que, este país es still sending foreign aid a Pakistan. Right. Es reformed policy para que haya un bloqueo de visas de individualidades. Absolutely. Y usted extend that a Pakistan. Bueno, ¿cómo could you not? Cuando A, se han sido uno de los top países en términos de overstayas y asilo. 2. They're refusing to even take back the barbarians that perpetrated the rape gangs They're refusing to even take back those criminals and Britain's response to that, the Tory and Labour response to that is not only to continue to issue visas to Pakistanis in large scale but also to continue to send Pakistan foreign aid The whole thing is so mind blowing So we've got to address all of those things Now we've already said not only would we stop visas to countries like Pakistan but we would also decimate the foreign aid budget.
6:42We're going to cut it 85%, 90%. I know some people say you should cut it completely. We do want to keep a seat at the UN. We want to keep a seat at the IMF. We think those are in the national interest. But we're in an era now where hard power talks and this country has spent close to£200 billion in real terms in foreign aid over the last two decades. How powerful do you feel as a result of that money? I want to pick up on the point about the individual countries because this program actually are Shabana Mahmood. Home Secretary, good morning. You're targeting four countries, including Afghanistan, with the new visa bans.
7:16But in reality, Pakistan accounts for the biggest share of people who enter the UK on legal visas and later claim asylum. About a quarter of the total, or nearly 10 ,000 people last year. Migrants from Pakistan also topped the table for all asylum claims last year. But despite more than 70 % of those claims being rejected, just 4 % were returned. ¿Por qué no también aplicaron a visa ban a Pakistan? Bueno, primero, este es un nuevo action que estoy tomando por el primer momento. No es el final de la acción que nos vamos tomar. No me voy a dar un comentario sobre las conversaciones que estamos haciendo con otros países.
7:53Si miras a los tablas, hay un número de otros países donde los números son muy altos. Vamos, de hecho, estar hablando con nuestros counterparts. Ya lo que ya están. Y este es el final y no el final de la acción que nos vamos tomar en este área. Ahora, según lo que ha dicho, cómo controversial elementos de la migración de Pakistania y según la reluctancia de tomar gente de los que han sido acusados de crimes, ¿por qué crees que la gente ha automáticamente añadido a este list? por el mismo tiempo
8:48y West Streeting es en exactamente el mismo boat as well. Así que es simple. Es Occam's Razor. Ellos son muy, muy preocupados sobre ese bloco de votos. Y más más preocupado que eso es que la gente que están hablando y con engaging con son muy muy en la extrema de los muslimos en este país. Lo que es el press conference que Robert and Nigel did un poco de weeks ago sobre Rachel Reeves que fue el mejor I mean, you know, best pals going for as a sitting chancellor. She went to the home of a man who was putting posts up on Facebook, openly supporting prescribed organizations in Britain. Again, she was doing that while she was chancellor when he was still posting that stuff on Facebook.
9:32And then people say, oh, she may not have been aware of the Facebook post. Now, just think about the idea of a chancellor of the exchequer going to somebody's home, which is already a big deal. What sort of vetting you might want to do on that sort of an individual? Y, you know, the real puncture to that argument was that she was literally engaging with him on Facebook and posting things about him on Facebook. So, look, we've got a government that is obviously a catastrophe. But, look, I think most of the vast majority of the problems we're seeing are simply labor accelerating problems that the Tories created.
10:08The vast majority of people in this country illegally came here under the Tories. The Boris wave was a... I mean, I put it to you that even if Jeremy Corbyn had won, I don't think Jeremy Corbyn could have imported so many people to the detriment of this country. Genuinely, I think about this as a thought experiment. Let me just ask then, did Boris then do it for ideological reasons? The implication is we all think of Jeremy Corbyn as being incompetent, but I take from what you're saying that the Tories willfully went further than Labour would have done when they were in office. Bueno, cuando se ve la decisión de que Boris Johnson y la Torre gobierno, se van a dar en la historia de la historia.
10:51Las cosas son las más catastróficas que cualquier ejecutivo ha hecho. Y cuando se ve la cosa que se ve la que se ve la que se ve la escala, creo que es reductible a decir que es una cosa específica. Creo que la incompetencia es un gran factor. Boris fue obviamente incompetente. He fue todo el mundo. No lo sabía. No lo sabía. He fue obviamente siendo told cosas por la Treasuría. I think he really wanted to be liked by the left in this country. I think that really meant something to him. Obviously, not to get too personal, but I understand his partner to this day, Carrie Matthews, became extremely influential, certainly if you listen to what Mr Cummings says about things.
11:27I'm not sure whether I should butt in. Her name was Carrie Simmons. Rachel, I want to ask you, much of the success of reform is based upon a repudiation of your brother. Now, I know you don't speak for him, Pero como hablamos de la primera vez... Y él no le mencionó reform, creo, y a Nigel. Pero hablamos de la primera vez. Creo que la admiración es mutual. Sí. Pero ¿qué te explica a nosotros por qué la inmigración era tan alto en esa época, según su hermano, supuestamente conservatismo? Bueno, tú ves, como Zia has explicado, y, básicamente, European immigration exchanged for non-European immigration over a very few number of years, and the so-called Boris wave.
12:13Now, I think he, in this room, has been asked about this issue and he denies that he ushered in the Boris wave. And he blames, I think he blames, the Home Office for letting in too many people. Which might fall under the purview de Suella Braverman and Rob Jenrick. He also claims that the spike was kind of, I think, pent-up immigration demand post-Covid when there was none. Doesn't he also say that? Yes, yes, yes, because he reminds us we were worried about fruit going unpicked and things like that. So you needed to have a kind of a great rush of people in and of course the Europeans weren't going to move to this country because the same restrictions apply to EU nationals who wanted to move para el impedir a la node que no funciona아 y Peracetarán.
13:05Conociriarolar a één sala en misana, oede que te nuestras ahí. Se te portasse sensitive, pues el bello Saldなら así. Así que los ha de llorar�s y ingresar a Estados Unidos. Se supone interrumpir commune. Los inversores para cuantos mercados a la cérdida. Noiges besides el que se nos debat 현재. Pero eso mismo empeor Plein. Sí, sí. uses it as much as he can. That's all I can really give you on that, Tim. So what I would respond to on that is even if we said, okay, it was all about just trying to make sure there were enough people to come and pick fruit or whatever it is, the example you gave, I want to emphasise, only 16 % of the people who were granted visas got work visas, right?
13:50The rest were not work visas, that would be the first point. The second point is, you inserted some ethnicity stuff there, right? que no, pero sí que se trata de la política de la E.U. versus no E.U. Si ve la composición de la Boris wave, y no es solo replacing E.U. con no E.U., es replacing y multiplicar por un factor de 5. I mean, la numbers, I mean, you ve probably seen la curvas, right? This es un parabolic curve en un unprecedented en un sustained way. Si es simplemente net immigration at the same levels as it had been in the five years preceding 2020, con el 10-year average, en la que sea, con la no-EU.
14:33Esa sería una gran problema, no me equivoco. Esa sería una gran problema en podcasts como este, pero no sería la catástrofe que es ahora lo que sea. Lo que no hemos hablado, por lo que, la razón por la que esto es es así como un livello es porque ILR, indefinite leave to remain, el Boris Wave, ahora está siendo elegible para eso. Tenemos que tener un tiempo con nuestro equipo crunchando los números ¿Qué es lo que hicimos? ¿Qué es lo que hicimos? Bueno, yo creo que hemos tenido que, yo creo que,
15:26entonces no se va a tener una de esas visas y no se va a tener que estar en la ciudad creo que es va a la bancada de la ciudad y la cantidad de la cantidad y la moral argument que se trata de la verdad ¿es lo que es cierto? Bueno, creo que es cierto es cierto porque Boris Johnson lo que sea yo creo que se dice que la gente no vota por Brexit porque de la inmigración que es una de las extraordinarias de la revista de historia no, la gente vota por menos inmigración Most of the Boris wave came here without the consent or the permission of the British people. We've seen a story today that there's been a 40 % surge in the number of asylum seekers who are in asylum hotels for more than a year.
16:11That's 37 ,000. We've also heard the figures about the number who've arrived on small boats. y es bien, es bien, hoy y este mes, así no, ha sido probablemente ha sido hasta 66 ,000 o algo desde que se ha hecho pero hemos, a counter que ha visto, quite a steep decline en net legal migration y a rise en deportations y a rise en deportations y también, Shabana Mahmood siempre siempre resetta la intención de eliminar asilo hotel stays by the end of this parliament. Do you think there is a risk that immigration will drop in saliency to the extent that people will be able to say to you, as Tim has suggested, your great offer to the British public, which you can control the borders, is no longer the kind of five-star offer that it used to be?
17:16So, I think the reality is I'm extremely confident that immigration will be one of the top two most important things in the country to voters at the next general election. Now, whether it's number one, as it has been for most of the last few years, or number two to cost of living. And if you look at the latest YouGov cost of living is now nipped above it. And your popularity tracks entirely with that position of immigration as the top concern. I mean, does correlation equal causation? I don't know. I think it's reasonable to say that the more voters are concerned about immigration, the more likely they are to vote.
17:56I think there probably is a relationship there. But what I will say is the problems that immigration have caused are not going to get any better over the coming months and years. And we can go through each of the specific things you talked about. I mean, again, you talk about small boats. We're closing in on 200 ,000 cumulatively illegal boat crossings over the last eight years. And that's just detected crossings, by the way, which will make that point too. Those people are not being deported. So yes, you know, an increase in... So again, let's define the terms. The Home Office, I've never seen a government department basically lie, barefaced lie so much.
18:27They use the word deportation to include their version of deportations in that number. They include people who left the country of their own volition And the government did not know that they had even left until after they'd gone So that's the level of, I wouldn't even call that gaslighting I think that's a lie Enforced removals are up a bit but still lower than they were even a decade ago They're paying them to leave,£40 ,000 to return voluntarily Presumably that will increase the number of so-called deportations Well I think it's also going to increase the number of people who come I mean this is again what happens when you have people who have no idea how incentives work ¿Por qué no te pasó y volvió al final en realidad?
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19:43metaphor en última dispensión en nombre de N할í dear ¿por qué qué un numbers down on every single front. En terms of immigration? Yeah, the boats particularly. Let's start there. So the first thing, I would take issue with the notion that we have made immigration an issue. I think immigration is a massive issue and I think we've reflected back people's concerns about that and spoken about it very openly. And one thing I think that now has, I think the Overton window has shifted and I think the fear of just being called, I mean, it wasn't that long ago just by saying there was too much immigration in this country y también haber un borderado es una buena cosa en términos de lo puedo pero en un momento
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21:19desde Priv Death desde a host of others. Now, we would do those derogations in terms of international treaties on an emergency basis. So the ECHR one would be permanent, the other ones would be on an emergency basis so that there would be, we'd need a new mandate for that at the end of our first term. Then we also have to repeal the Human Rights Act and we have to repeal the Equality Act. You have to do all of those things. And the Equality Act? Yes. Why? So there's a huge amount of interplay. I mean, pretty much everything other than those el 1951 y algunos de los internacionales a lot de estos son Blairite construcciones y lo que ellos hacen lo que permiten es que se scale up deportation capacidad, so que significa que tenemos lots de detención, tenemos un nuevo agencia tenemos que flights ready para ir si los planes son stopt de leaving a resulta de un injunction es cripples el proceso que es el proceso de operación que hemos tenido ex-militario people helping us who've got great experience of running those sorts of things.
22:19The Americans have done it to great success. Even Obama, by the way, people forget this. Obama won the moniker of deporter in chief because he deported millions of people, including on an enforced basis. And if you go back and listen to Obama's responses about the border, about deportations, he sounds like Nigel. He was famously tougher than Trump on deportations, in terms of numbers anyway. No,
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23:15con algo que es fito para el purpose para asegurar que, por ejemplo, las mujeres no discriminan against en el trabajo. Así que eso es lo que la legislación se mantiene. Si realmente lees la Equality Act en full, se llegan a un situación que se puede llegar a un poco para que, por ejemplo, se puede que se pueda y se puede que se pueda y se puede que se pueda discriminar contra los hombres en los trabajadores, incluyendo si es el BBC o el Secretaría de la Seguridad o el Banco de England. Así que tenemos que que se hagan rid de esa positiva acción Clause. Specifically Why it's important for immigration is again What we got our lawyers to do and we've been very Open about this.
23:50We have to clear the decks from a Legislative standpoint to ensure that We can actually do the things that we're saying That we're going to do. If we fail to do that We end up with where the Tories Were where you know even the Rwanda thing. I mean how long did that take? Why were judges involved In trying to Stymie something that Has a democratic mandate So when we look at for example all of the different aspects of stopping the boats, of ensuring that we can detain people in this country illegally for enough time that they can actually be deported and prevent the endless merry-go-round of appeals, then our lawyers basically went through and they basically went through the exercise.
24:31Imagine that legislation wasn't there. How would you then make the case, right? And that's why the Equality Act, I said repeal. The reason we use the word repeal... Well, yes, it is a replace. I like to be honest. So it's the same with the Online Safety Act. So if we're going to sort of amend the act, then I would use that word if it's only a small minority of the act that needs to change. But such has been the mission creep on things that sound great. I mean, of course, we want to ensure... Well, there's this story today on the FA saying that a quarter of coaches should be non-white, which your spokesman, Suela Braverman, has said is utter woke nonsense.
25:07They've got DEI targets. Of course, Trump's gone after them too. So they would cover the men's senior team right down to the under-17s With the ambition that 30 % of the coaching teams are non-white Or at least 25 % by 2028 This has been, I think, approved by a former Liverpool player, John Barnes Who says, you know, we do need this kind of positive discrimination To make sure that good people who want to do these jobs Are not just overlooked for their skin colour The point being that football contains a lot of non-white players pero el número de coaches es muy, muy, muy small. Así que, ¿por qué?
25:44¿Por qué? ¿Por qué? ¿Por qué? ¿Por qué? ¿Por qué? ¿Por qué? ¿Por qué? ¿Por qué? ¿Por qué? I've got a strong view on this. I think it's, I'd go further than even just saying it's woke nonsense. I think it's an openly racist policy and it's totally counterproductive. So even if I'm charitable and say that the people who crafted this policy, it was done con buena intención porque se ve que las minorías son underrepresented, incluso si conceder todos esos puntos y aceptar, y es muy posible aunque no es siempre el caso clearly, es no es posible de la buena, es un buen y es un buen, es un buen y aquí es el otro fundamental axiomatic error en todo esto, es que cualquier forma de diferencia en términos de gender, o race o sexualidad, es no en itself evidencia de discriminación y es un poco de diferencia, y es un poco look at that cross-culturally so um the concern if you start going down that road then it's also so where where do you end what why are they not why why are they not mandating a certain number of trans people are they anti-trans um you know so at a certain point um the whole well actually very quickly uh you realize the whole thing is a logical fallacy um and so i would be i would have a very strong view if there were ethnic minorities wanting to be coaches who were being prevented from becoming coaches on the grounds that they're minorities or the colour of their skin.
27:02I think that is unacceptable. But I think having this brute force forcing function, this is how you arrive in the situation. And again, I have a strong view on this too. You've got to judge legislation and you've got to judge actions like this based on the outcomes they produce, not the intentions of the people who created them. They're the road to hell. You've all heard that phrase, right? Why is it that if you truly ask the question and look at the numbers in a dispassionate way in this country, if you do slice and dice people by demographics, which cohort performs the worst? It's white working class boys.
27:36And that is directly downstream from all of these sorts of things. And I actually saw this myself because I've worked for a couple of American investment banks and I'm not going to say they were totally captured by DEI, I'm not going to say that, but they did have quite powerful DEI programs inside those organizations and I did see myself yo Paston's libre at Carlo Requien Free Cualquier N Best Subtype I just like, ground zero of the very person that does not need that sort of help and I'll tell you who did need that sort of help you know, somebody living in a council estate in Runcorn who's, and I speak to mums and I speak to the kids all the time and they tell me there are no, there's not only nothing to help them but we're in a situation where the BBC openly advertised an internship programme to which white people could not apply the RAF and I think they did actually lose in court institutionally discriminating contra los hombres.
28:42Tenemos la seguridad de los servicios, el Banco de la Ingles. Y por lo que, que sería horrible si era abierta discriminación contra la etnicidad, que no era el tipo de la etnicidad, como es el país. Es aún más horrible, creo. Y así, a la derecha, hay un montón de angustia en este país sobre, por ejemplo, la immigration y sobre la cultura y sobre la cultura wars y sobre DEI. Mi view es, número uno, es morally reprehensible porque, como he dicho, you've got this whole group now. Como he dicho, white working class boys. You look at educational attainment age 13, bottom. Educational attainment age 15, 16, sorry, at the bottom.
29:27University entrance, propensity to complete a university course. They're consistently at the bottom. And not only is nobody trying to help them, they're doing the opposite. And programs like this are a case in point. So is it your argument that the way you lift up the most disadvantaged group, which is of course white working class boys, is by getting rid of DEI and positive discrimination and quotas and so on across the board and that will necessarily lift them up? Or are you suggesting you can actually do something positive to help them that might then run foul of your position? It would be positive discrimination.
30:01Let me be crystal clear about my position. I believe in A, equality before the law. y B, so imagine the BBC ran an internship program and they said, insert race here other than whites cannot apply. Imagine the scandal. I mean, it would have been terminal for those people's careers. It would have been front page news for weeks, right? The opposite happened because the discrimination was against white people. Number two, we have to have, I believe in meritocracy and I believe the best person for the job should get that job Y así, por lo que queremos, creo, en general en este país. Pero también, si estamos hablando de la salud civil, o algo que se trata de la vida de la publicidad, creo que eso debería absolutamente ser colorblind y merit-based.
30:47Y creo que es como la que se puede obtener el resultado posible. Yo creo que en realidad, pero en práctica, sabemos que hay un concepto de bias, y sabemos que hay un trabajo para el boys culture. Cuando alguien presenta en un interview que se ve como la gente que se veía o la gente que se veía en el trabajo, son más probablemente a la gente que se veía el trabajo. I mean, hay eso. Pero lo que es la evidencia de que hay jobs para el joven cultureo? Y también, ¿es que hay que ver? Bueno, la estadística de la penalización de la penalización de las abuelas. Uno podría decir que la reforma parlamentaria group.
31:23Hay solo una mujer que se veía en la época. Es una mujer que se veía en la parte. Es una mujer que se veía en la parte.
31:37pero de con la intención, pero se endra el efecto de la autoridad, pero también, y quiero decir, el efecto de la oposición. Si estamos hablando de... I ve looked at un académico literario sobre esto, y a opposed a lo que hay... I understand why some people might say, quote, jobs for the boys, pero es... People tienen un grupo bias. Companies openly say... I walked into the Telegraph offices, obviamente, un momento y en la hora de irse a la hora de reading them, you know, your cultural values and the things that you believe in and you're fiercely ambitious and that, you know, you're all of these things.
32:12And so when you are in any large organization that's trying to have a systematic recruiting process, you're going to have a culture test, right? And so therefore you are openly saying there that you are looking to optimize for those particular things. Now, what nobody is doing, certainly openly, is trying to optimizé for a specific skin color or a specific gender. And the way I would respond to when I've looked at this, because I ran a company myself, and you, for example, let's say software engineering, right? Most software engineering teams, including the company that I ran, had a majority, the majority of the engineers were men and not women, right?
32:53And I went through the numbers because we got thousands of applicants per place. And so I went through all of the numbers. y, broadly, el aceptación de la diferencia es muy similar. Y así, a la medida que hay un diferencia, el diferencia es totalmente driven por el funnel, i.e., hay simplemente far fewer mujeres que se aplican a ser ingenieros. Y eso es muy diferente en otras departamentos, por lo que. La mirada de la diferencia en áreas como HR, por ejemplo, donde HR es quizás no quite el mismo nivel de diferencia. Pero la pregunta que me ha hecho es que la manera de que me hagan es que la manera de que me hagan que se desee por el apoyo y por el que se desee.
33:27¿Qué es lo que se solucionó? I think we should be solving for making sure that any woman in this country who wants to be an MP has as much of an ability to do it, as much of an opportunity to do it as any man. Right. As opposed to a forcing function of saying this, we've chosen this specific career. And I, as the government, are going to come in and impose some kind of target on it. Because I put it to you that there's no such things going on for this. We can pick a career at random, plumbing or bricklaying. y este demande para finishar el día defensa un enemónimo y le hemos detene comprar y debes resolver las cosas a los parientes que parecía lairan los grupos afectados a ser un compañero 가지고 a ser un compañero y empezar aخت숙antes de los países y por ejemplo, el experiencia de trabajo ha sido que sólo si pudesse疲boallo de manera violentativa cuando los ag か都 que solamente incluyen lo que el Recognizo headed en embanto y
34:22me parece, y así voy a kan backar por el punto y espero invitation y espero invitation que hay un grupo preferencia, que es el problema de la literatura que yo he read. Y que es el caso, por el lado, que es el caso de que sea regardless de quien es en el room. El investigación que yo he looked a, si es un grupo de mujeres interviewing candidates, entonces, ¿qué ha sido más en grupo? ¿Qué ha sido más probable? Y que es la pregunta que se ha hecho. Y que es la pregunta que se ha hecho. Y que es la pregunta que se ha hecho para estos. Así que no me denigas que hay desafíos aquí. Y ahí definitivamente hay.
34:48Y yo totally acepto el punto que sí, sí, sí, sí, sí, want parliamentarians to be more representative in that way. But again, I think the idea of as seductive as it seems, as I said, a brute force approach of imposing a quota ends up having so many downstream negative impacts. Coming up, Zia tells us what he thinks about the Iftar controversy, the burqa, and do reform candidates still have a vetting problem?
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38:32¿Qué es lo que se puede decir? As we're talking about male-dominated institutions, to ask you about the Iftar and Nick Timothy's comments on the Iftar in Trafalgar Square, which he described as an act of domination. y entonces Kemi Badenoch dijo que se quedó para Nick Timothy y dijo que no hubiera sucedido porque era partially gender segregated ¿Qué piensas de la iftar y también la gran gran gran gran que Nick Timothy ha causado mi opinión es que estoy muy preocupado sobre lo que que es en cualquier manera incendiary cuando se trata de religiosos prácticos en public lugares. Y uno de los tiempos de la razón por la que se sienten muy fuerte sobre esto es que no es un lugar de la mosca.
39:25Es un lugar en el centro de Tafaga de la ciudad. People están preocupados sobre la política de la isla en la ciudad. Y nos podemos discutir pero esos concerns existen. I think if you look at the if I understand the argument that other religions have had celebrations and things in the square, but this was this was prayer and it was amplified. The call to prayer call to prayer being amplified throughout central London from Trafalgar Square, I did think was unnecessary. And I think it was I do. I use the word incendiary. And one of the reasons I feel strongly about this is because – and this is why when my launch speech is when I was announced at Shadow Home Secretary, I talked about one of the things I would do is look to stop churches, even if they were no longer going to be churches, being turned into places of worship for any other faith, including mosque.
40:18And that's because I speak to a lot of people who are very concerned about such things. So I do think there are legitimate concerns. I also equally believe that freedom of religion is sacrosanct in this country. Nobody at the reform is saying Muslims should not be able to congregate in mosques and have their prayers. And I would also separate the idea of a celebration with a prayer. And I think those things are different. I will say, and I tweeted this too, in terms of Nick Timothy himself, he was Theresa May's chief of staff. y fue el autor de la 2017 Torre Manifesto que se ensuó en la parte de la DEI que hablamos de la notación que esto sucedió y que el Torre ha hecho un poco más de esto.
40:58No, no, no. Este fue mayorism y él fue absolutamente un arquitecto. Y así, yo voy a ir a seguir y decir que lo que se ve a la derecha de la que se ve frustrera de la que se veía no hubiera sido posible en mi opinión. Y la situación cultural en este país no es lo que es para Nick Timothy y lo que él ha hecho como Teresa May, el jefe de staff. Y así lo que lo que tú ves con los Tóris es un deseo de crear controversia y la pregunta que ellos crean. Y yo quiero que sea que sea. ¿Tú crees que este país debería, dado que Easter es approaching, un preferido para la cristianidad? Sí, absolutamente. Es fundamentalmente un cristian país y
42:15Assuming that such a thing happens these days. If it's under 200 pounds, it'll be fine. That power, that police officer's power ultimately derives from the fact that this is a Christian country, right? Because ultimately that power comes from legislation, which comes from the House of Commons, which that power is obviously effectively delegated to the royal prerogative. And the monarch's power and the monarch's legitimacy ultimately is derived from the connection that the monarch has with God. Ahora, sé que la gente, y que es obviamente la cristianía, ahora, la gente no piensa que no piensa que eso en un día a día, pero eso es fundamentalmente true.
42:51Y también lo que se dice, si se preocupa, si se preocupa, si preocupa, lo que ocurre en Trafalgar Square, hay una buena discussión que se ha hecho en eso, y yo absolutamente defend Nick Timothy's right a hablar de hablar de esos cosas. Yo, es muy scary cómo la izquierda se ha convertido y se ha hecho el investigador. Keir said he should be sacked por saying it Well I think he should be sacked for what he did working for Theresa May but that's a different story Can I just ask quickly about the Burke of kerfuffle because at the same time I think that you said that you didn't want churches to be converted into any other faith didn't you also make an announcement about face coverings that you would in office ban face coverings but only Muslim style face coverings so not balaclavas or face masks I mean no no so that's not our position so what is the exact position and also why then did you I mean I know this is ancient history now I got to ask why did you step down when Sarah Pochin did say that she would ban the burqa I mean just to use that shorthand ok so we'll go through those so just to clarify what the position is is that you know our view of reform is that we should ban face coverings of all sorts like they do in France it's actually a rare policy idea policy suggestion where you get two for one people feel safer because you're less likely to be walking down the street and there's some person coming towards you in a balaclava with their face covered it's insane how much CCTV where someone surveilled cities in the world and people can just opt out of the surveillance y los que se han desvile, generalmente, los que opten de eso.
44:40Pero también también, lo que es obviamente true que en un liberal democrático, la mayoría de nuestra interacción como humanos es facial. Y removiendo eso es un gran barrier para la cohesión, generalmente, y para la integración. Así que, por cierto, sobre todo. Sí, voy a decir, la resignación y la comienzía de la comienzía, que no tiene nada con la contenta de la burca. Even at the time I said it was my personal view that I would ban not just the burqa but face coverings writ large because I think I actually think the I mean speaking to people who live in certain areas in certain towns. There's a lot of people wandering around with their faces covered and it's quite menacing.
45:27Yeah. So you think that face coverings are un-British? I think I don't think just think they're un-British. As I said, I think in a Western liberal democracy interaction, I mean, I think it would be very disconcerting. I mean, even if you're just buying something from Tesco and somebody was sort of scanning your stuff and again, that doesn't really happen anymore because you have the automated ones. But back in the day when you had those people, it's disconcerting if you can't make eye contact with someone and you can't speak with someone. Never mind the niqab. I'm more troubled by young men who cover their faces.
45:58I find that very aggressive. I find that very strange. To me, that's almost like a statement of intent. I assume there's some criminal design behind what they're doing Because they're covering their faces Because why would you do that Well I know that to be true Because I speak to people in the police And I speak to victims of crime And the number of crimes which happen And might just be an excuse because the police are under-resourced Or lacking the incentive to actually go and find those criminals and arrest them But the number of times somebody's bike's stolen or something And they're just wearing a balaclava And then they just walk off And so I would argue yes por eso que se hace que en una de las más surveilled ciudades en el mundo en términos de CCTV, la idea de que se puede unilaterally optar de esa surveillance en un whim es crazy.
46:42Pero lo que es, lo que es, es un problema de crime prevention, pero los hombres y hombres que se han elegido a la burka o si se han elegido a la burka, se han elegido a la cultura. Se han elegido a la cultura. y siempre dijeron que usted ganó la legenda. Pero yo puedo abrir O BWo como una presa enste yer. Y Sel increase en świat 좌変 probablemente porque yo explicado sobre Assembly tonelar basadas por decir invade. Y la kan después de que los Rayon weakens bandas. Y así, ¿no? differences in different even in majority Muslim countries are significant. Many majority Muslim countries already ban the burqa too.
47:57And by the way, even as Nigel pointed out, you know, if you look at what happened in terms of the iftar thing that obviously I think was incendiary, there are many Muslim countries that don't allow that sort of thing to happen and on perhaps a more of a national security basis, el número de personas que hablan de la presencia, creo que en la telegrapia que le reporte, se han señalados de la UEA gobierno diciendo que no se les permiten de los niños que no les permiten de la universidad. I know, que Dominic Cummings ha already reported y was a nutter. Exactamente. Así que creo que es el otro punto.
48:34Cuando los que dicen, oh, finger wag y decir, oh, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, Es absoluto nonsense. Y creo que la gente que hace que se haga que se haga un poco más de eso. Y están tratando de score un punto de vista. Pero creo que es importante decir que no país en el mundo, por ejemplo, es más acutely concerned con la Islamist extremism que en algunos de los Estados Unidos que tienen un problema con eso. Y en Brasil, el mismo tipo de gente que... would. I mean, people from the UAE, people from Saudi Arabia come to London, and they see what goes on on our streets, and the approach the police take to it.
49:11And they're absolutely gobsmacked about why this country allows that to happen. And we've also introduced the Islamophobia definition. Well, Muslim hate. They've changed it. They've rebranded it, you fool, to quote Alan Partridge. There are some questions I need to get some shorter answers to. One, Malcolm Offord, your leader in Scotland. Do you think he should resign sobre un ejemplo que he le dijo 8 años no ok, vamos a ver si lo que ha hecho si le dijo que hoy como el líder me ha dicho que hay un diferente pero yo creo que la gente le dijo 8 años absolutamente, yo me inclino a agree I want to hear the joke now es el problema, es el Barbra Streisand ever since they said this man told the most disgusting joke you've ever heard and we will not print it because it's so appalling everyone immediately googled it then of course the national newspaper very cleverly said out of a sense of public responsibility.
50:03We feel obliged to publish the joke. It is pretty disgusting. I'll look it up. I'll go to Mr Google. No, it is pretty disgusting. As soon as the Telegraph said that they couldn't publish it because it was that... Everybody looked it up. Started trending. It is pretty blue, but eight years ago, like a drunken speech. Anyway. Secondly, when Nigel Farage walked out of PMQs, the Prime Minister was pointing out at the time que uno de los councils ha creado en el precio de 10%. ¿Cómo se justificó eso? Simplemente que lo que han herido un año año fue un absoluto catastrófico. He visto los números myself.
50:42Que council fue en el precipicio de la ventana. Norte de 70 % de su totalidad de su totalidad es estatutario, de que no hay absolutamente ningún control. Y cada line item en su totalidad es creciendo en la ventana de doscientos. So there was just simply no way that they could have done anything other than that unless they were willing to either break the law as councillors or cut into things that anyone would consider to be absolutely critical. So the fundamental issue there is that that council, A, was very poorly managed, but also we've got to be really honest about this, right, that councils writ large in this country, and this isn't even a party political point, are being forced to deliver gold standard care, as it were, on a shoestring budget.
51:26por Westminster porque el presidente quiere decir que quiere dar la blame por eso, que es por eso que hemos already started a trabajar en SCND Dame Andrew Jenkins es doing work en eso, Richard ha hablado a lot de eso, pero quiero también que el punto de vista aquí, que se ha puesto en uno de los councils, fair enough, pero si velo across todos los reformed councils, reformed control councils ha elevado council tax menos que de cualquier otro partido, que es un fact. Pero, of course, you promised You promised big cuts and a doge-style war on waste. We never promised to cut council tax. We never promised to cut council tax.
52:00No, I don't mean cuts to council tax. I mean cuts to what you would regard as unnecessary spending. But you've come up against the problem that councils have got statutory obligations. But we have done. So, yes. So, what you're saying is absolutely true. They have to provide more and more care because central government doesn't want to provide it. And there is a sense that you went into that election campaign perhaps suggesting that you might be able to find these big dramatic savings and cuts. Pero la realidad es que hay que tener un servicio de servicios y son muy expensive. Bueno, los gobiernos han encontrado millones de millones de pesos de savings.
52:30Los gobiernos de savings han sido ya identificados. Y que es por eso reformedos han only levantado el taxado por un poco más de inflación. Y así que no hubiera haber pasado. Eso hubiera no haber sido hecho si hubiera que no hubiera encontrado esos savings. Your mayoral candidato for Hampshire in the Solent, Chris Parry, has been suspended for comparing a Jewish community patrol group to Islamists on horseback. Do you still have problems with vetting procedures and reform? Well, look, Chris has an extraordinarily impressive record serving this country in the military. I think fundamentally he's a good guy.
53:07He's probably quite trigger happy on Twitter. He did previously say David Lammy should, quote, go home to the Caribbean. David Lammy, who was born in this country. Yeah, look, that's what I mean. There's some trigger happiness on Twitter there. Does our party have an issue with vetting? I would argue we've got the best vetting in the country. Now, does that mean we don't? So that doesn't mean there aren't going to be some mistakes. It still comes through. I mean, that's the troubling thing. If you look at how disproportionate the news coverage, so I'm going to be completely honest. So, yes, some errors are made by our vetting team.
53:41When you're vetting thousands, I was chairman when we stood up 1 ,400 candidates. Very proud of that. It was the first time in 100 years that any party other than the Tories or Labour that any party had stood more candidates in a set of local elections and it set the foundations for what we were able to do last May. No vetting process will ever be perfect. But if you look at the sheer quantity of absolute wrong-ins in the Labour Party Aforo en términos del Electorio, el Lib Dem y la Agencia del lekimiento más poco, lo que no tienen nada de no parfaito. Si alguien se ve en unaks por hecho, cuándo han sido defendados en 해ды, la diferencia de los que no conseguen orам cór которые están enviados tenemos ,没 mantener en raí, es infinitesimal.
54:36¿He sería una pregunta? La deadline for Tory refugees o any refugees is I think May 8th, is it May 7th? May 7th If you could pick anyone from either the Labour or you can't say nobody Labour or Conservative front bench to join reform, who would you choose? Current front bench? I'm thinking Shabana Can I say Sir Jacob Rees-Mogg I know he's not an MP anymore no sitting on the back benches right now all front benches front or back bench because the front bench is pretty low quality you've got to give the man a fair choice including back benches including back benches
55:25katie lamb ok that's interesting I'll give you the explanation she's pretty fresh to the scene. Yes, she was involved in government. She wasn't, like I said, she wasn't literally the chief of staff to Theresa May. But, you know, frankly, I think if it were me, I'm pretty much on the record as my views about the people who broke the country are not necessarily going to be the ones who helped fix it. And I think the people we've taken help us get some of the experience we're going to need to see around those corners. But I still maintain that the majority, I think people might surprise pero la mayoría de los cabezas, si ganas, se van a ser personas fresas de la política.
56:10Bueno, yo puedo ver el que se la ley de la defensa de la ley. Mi final pregunta, si Nigel Farage se convocan a la presidenta de la Unión de la Unión, ¿vile él commit a responder a la presidenta de la presidenta? 100%. Y enjoy doing it as well. Imagine how fun that will be. căs el garаксим que te shall estar no guardiando a 보ma ya no i Walt', si acudió pero la palabra sigue su todo
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56:55Matt 발udiendo sobre él lehóbanal de margar – ¿Cuál es el punto? Si no es insulto a Nigel o Reforma, es insulito a la gente británica.
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Labour has promised a tougher approach to migration, but it seems too little, too late.
On Friday, Shabana Mahmood has unveiled new restrictions on visas and asylum rules as pressure grows to tackle record numbers of migrants in taxpayer-funded accommodation. Yet proposals to offer failed applicants up to £40,000 to leave the UK have triggered a backlash within Labour, with figures such as Angela Rayner questioning the approach.
Rachel Johnson and Tim are joined by Zia Yusuf, Reform’s home affairs spokesman, to discuss whether the Government has lost control its immigration system, and what a more robust alternative might look like if his party gets into power.
He also argues for a ban on face coverings in public, saying it would improve security and strengthen social cohesion in a “western liberal democracy”.
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