'She wants to eclipse Kate’: Why Meghan will never win over the UK public

0:04The Telegraph. Harry and Meghan are due to return to the UK as soon as this week. Can there really be a right royal reconciliation with William or does it all hinge on a Sussex sorry? We speak to Angela Levin, the journalist who spent 15 months with Harry to write his biography. Welcome to The Daily Tea with me, Rachel Johnson. And me, Camilla Tominey. I think there's a lot of people who don't like him anymore. And they don't like him because he's cruel. And he's actually obsessed with Meghan, who actually treats him like nothing. They come back. They eclipse William and Kate. Do they? Despite his spare status, despite his youngest son's status, he wins because we're talking about Harry, not William.

0:54Before we get into today's episode, we have some exciting news. Tim and I are moving home. The Daily Tea now has its very own YouTube channel. The link to it is in the description. We'll still be coming out with the same great content every day at five. The only thing changing is where the podcast lives. Now on with the Harry and Meghan show. Rachel, lovely to see you. We have noted before we began this podcast with the brilliant Angela Levin, who joins us to discuss Harry and Meghan, The Return, that between us we are basically recreating the witches scene in Macbeth because individually I think it's fair to say that we are intensely disliked probably by the Sussexes and indeed their supporters.

1:37I was once described in spare, there's a certain word. Execrable. Execrable and this is why we know that spare was ghostwritten because there's no way that that is in Harry's lexicon. it's an adjective that means extremely bad poor in quality utterly detestable and he said that I'd always got everything wrong all the time which is a curious way to describe the person that broke the news of his actual relationship with Meghan Markle but there you have it in spare he he doesn't even use my name no I'm not named it's beneath contempt to to name women I'm called a former mayor's sister Yes And he hates I think he hates me most Because I wrote a piece In which the headline was Dear Harry, I'm sorry But your beautiful bolter Has failed my mum test Yes And it went on And let's not revisit it They were straight out of Compton No, I didn't write that No, that's right But that was in the mail as well So he hates the mail And he hates me Does he hate you?

2:40They haven't written anything to me They haven't written or said anything, but I know it comes from two or three people. I have a lot of people who like Megan an awful lot and they tell me why they don't like me and how I deserve the nasty things that they're going to say about me. Well, somebody online said that you and I were mentally ill and that we were obsessed with Harry and Megan, not realising that, unfortunately, is an occupational hazard to discuss this stuff. If I wasn't a journalist, I probably wouldn't be concerning myself with the news of the great Meganaissance. But we have to because that's what we're paid to do.

3:19Angela, to be fair, like me once back in the day when Prince Harry was beckoning me into royal engagements and introducing me to Rihanna in Barbados and all the rest of it. You were quite close to the prince because you wrote your book and you had quite a lot of access. I had a lot of access and I was with him for 15 months and he was incredibly nice to me. I got invited to the palace and we had a lot of chats and I worked out a way that I could get around him and it worked very well. So I tell you that very quickly. Yeah. I thought to myself, I've got to think of a really good question for the first one.

3:58So I went in and he always gave a joke for the person. He didn't give me a joke. I didn't want to joke. He sat down and he said, okay. So I said, I just want to know, when you go and see the people who've been murdered or hurt or something like that, that it sort of helps you with your own mental head. You know, do you feel relaxed and you feel able to talk about it? He said, yes. And then he was only going to give me a short time. I had two and a half hours talking to him because he felt I was talking sensibly. Okay. So that was your way in. And you wrote your book, Harry, Conversations with the Prince.

4:43That came out in 2018, the year that Harry and Meghan married. And then subsequently, because of all of our collective coverage of Megxit, we've possibly fallen out of favour. Now, we're now on day, I don't know, five or six of the return. And I think what's happened over the course of the past few days has been quite interesting. We seem to have gone from there in America, there'll be no royal reconciliation. We're never going to see them back in Blighty again to sort of obviously they're here. They're probably arriving this week. The children are enrolled into schools. And actually, now that he's reconciled with the king, Harry and William are likely to get back together.

5:25I think that's very unlikely. But before we get into that, Angela, in the last 10 years since you spent 15 months with Prince Harry, how do you think he's changed? And how much do you think his new demeanour is down to his marriage? Well, I think he's changed a huge amount, actually. He was a little bit grumpy at times, but otherwise he was very good. He was very positive. He wanted to help people. He liked everyone. He gave lots of fun chats and he was very, very easy to talk to. And I got on with him really well. And I wasn't doing it sort of deliberately. It just was very kind. And it wasn't just because it was me.

6:10He just got on very well. And then gradually with Meghan, I could see how it was going down and down and I feel that he's just got nothing less of himself anymore and that she took it all away. I mean, she's grabbed it all and she doesn't want it. But things like saying, you have to have some money every time you go and visit. Now, this was Meghan. She did it in Australia, but she's done it in other places and she feels it's not right that she's not given money when she goes to visit, you know, something that's going on. But it's not. It's what you do because of part of your job. She hates actually not being the first one walking out of a room.

6:53A number of times I've seen aides dragging them back because they've gone in front of the king and queen and they've gone in front of, that's before this king died, and also Catherine and William. she feels she's the best of them all and anybody else who thinks otherwise you know she doesn't want to speak to she doesn't like and harry has to do what he tells her he just feels that he does it all right listen we could have we wanted to turn the next half hour into a megan bashing fest it probably wouldn't get us very far there are those who think that she is to quote my shakespeare analogy earlier the kind of ultimate lady macbeth led him astray yeah in some way sort of coercively controlled him and that this is all her calling the shots and that he's sacrificed everything actually what we've learned over the course of the last week that the narrative has changed slightly i've always maintained by the way that prince harry as friendly as he could be to members of the media at times he wasn't and this is pre-meghan at times he didn't like us at all I think Harry always felt like a round peg in a square hole in the royal family, always felt like the outsider, as was evidence in spare, didn't like the royal hierarchy, sort of thought that he had a bit more about him than his brother.

8:13And so was resentful of the fact that his brother was always higher up in the pecking order, even though in the popularity stakes back in the day, Harry was the king of the public. notwithstanding all that he meets Megan and Megan gives these feelings rocket fuel and then they kind of continue to operate in a silo to the point of makes it where everything irretrievably breaks down and they go off to America yes I agree there was a financial imperative to do that there may also be a financial imperative to do what they're doing now which is to return back to the UK but let's be honest the one point thing people have got wrong when they've analyzed this relationship were those who observed the events in Windsor in 2018 and said, I'll give it a year.

8:54Well, apparently she's standing by her man now, right? She is. I mean, don't forget that her USP is royal adjacency. She's a celebrity. He's a royal. And they play each other's status off each other brilliantly. But it hasn't worked in California. And you could almost say that, you know, why have they come back? Were they too woke or too broke, even for California? The money that, you know, you need to live the lifestyle in a whatever it is, bedroom house in Montecito, probably runs in the millions. The security bill alone. So I do think that the security aspect of this could be the key to unlock.

9:39The conundrum of why they are coming back and why they think the country will welcome them with open arms. is it because the king is not of course you know this is endless speculation the king isn't going to live forever as harry himself said i think what happened is they came back and they had a rush of blood they saw the lifestyle in the cotswolds they they charlie all thought charlie spencer i mean was incredibly kind to them and they felt this was really where the home and the heart and the half was and should be and it happened to me when i went and saw a prep school I suddenly decided to send my son to this prep school.

10:17They are impetuous. They have had a rush of blood. This is how they left the country. This is how they're returning to the country. And I think they will probably be afforded some kind of security package pro tem. And the reason they're going to get that is because they've said they're going to be here for an extended period, but not forever. So it's going to be quite easy for the Home Office to decide to give them a kind of modified package, especially in the light of what happened to Anne Whittacombe. I would argue. I mean, on that note, we've had a number of different people, current Home Secretary, former Home Secretary.

10:51All saying, blankets. All saying, you know, they need to be afforded some level of taxpayer-funded security. As far as the public's concerned, or at least Telegraph readers, they don't want that. So should the Sussex be provided with taxpayer-funded security? Yes, 11%. No, 77%. And that's based on 22 ,800 votes. So a lot of people saying, listen, come here, but you're not in an official role, Angela. We're not paying for it. We don't want to subsidise what could be, I don't know, a six-month, a year, whatever flight of fancy. Just taking a few steps back, the reason why Harry thought that he was better than William was that Diana said to him, you know, you're going to be able to do anything.

11:37You're fantastic. So she gave him the feeling that he was much better because he was joking and he was playing. And that was very important. And he actually, in his book, he says that he's absolutely furious that William had four sausages and he was given three sausages. So this is what he actually hangs on to. Anyone who has brothers can understand that mentality. I speak that as a younger sister to two older brothers that were constantly fighting over the last roast potato, however trivial that seems. Okay, continue though, Angela. because, you know, actually the public have their views. The King and Queen Camilla, who we'll come on to in just a minute, have their view on all this.

12:20Can we just try and take ourselves inside Windsor, home now to William and Kate? And by extension, by the way, let's take ourselves inside Carol and Michael Middleton's home in Bucklebury and try and fathom what on earth the thinking is right now in those circles. Well, I think that William won't move an inch at the moment because I feel that because they said nasty things about him, that he could keep easily and put it all aside. But once they were doing that about Catherine, he can't forgive them because she's worked very hard, she's been marvellous as a royal, a senior royal and I think that he just absolutely hates him for doing that when they were very nice to him actually when they were all doing a lot of things about looking after their head and their body and you know everything like that and um just left it hates him though do we think William hates Harry I do but Angela it's well not necessarily hate but actually you can't have anything to do But do you think this is a feud that's being perpetuated by the wives rather than the brothers?

13:38The wives are doing it, but I think if you love your wife and you know how hard it is to actually become a royal, that he looks after her. And she has taught him how to be a husband, how to be a father, which he didn't know in his own home. He says he didn't have any experience like that. But she's helped that and she's been wonderful. She's changed him in a very, very gentle and nice way. And I think that for Harry to be vilely rude about his wife, I think he can't bear it. The other thing is that Harry wants to look after his children, William's children, because he feels that at least one of them will be like him.

14:26A span. Oh, so there's a kind of Spencer thing going on in the background. We think back because it's nearly the 30th anniversary, unbelievably, of Princess Diana's death next year. So we think there's Harry's also channeling his inner Spencer. You mentioned his uncle earlier in trying to influence the children as the kind of non-working royal. Because in his own mind, Harry has said, both my brother and my father are trapped. therefore he wants to be a kind of anti-firm foil is that what you're saying? Yes, that's what I'm saying Yeah, but I mean, it's very well saying that I mean, he's not seen these nephews and nieces Charles Spencer started all this in his eulogy at the funeral of his sister 30 years ago She was hunted We need to save these boys from the royal family He talked about, you know, the Spencer side the princes of the blood The Spencer blood will help them get through, wasn't it?

15:21Can I just say something else? That's what we're seeing. I think there's going to be the Windsors versus the Spencers. Although, quite a lot has happened in the last 30 years. And also, can we all please stop infantilising these princes? People are still referring to them as boys. They're in their forties. Well, the king said, please boys, don't make my final years of misery. I mean, but he's allowed to. He is their father. But he didn't want anyone to say that. He told them that and said, don't tell anyone. And of course, Harry went and told someone. So you can't trust him. That's another thing.

15:53And another thing to complain. And Meghan actually can't keep anything quiet. So anyway, you know, she hasn't got this job in this film. The Gentleman. Well, hang on, let's discuss that because I'm also very cynical about the publicity around this in general, right? It's certainly, it's not harmed Guy Ritchie's project of this series to have a huge amount of publicity just as I was walking through Victoria Station and saw a big poster of it being advertised. So she may have been lined up for a role in The Gentleman. Now she isn't. Rachel, what do you think? It doesn't make any sense at all. I mean, did she make it up?

16:34Was she even in talks? Did she approach his production company? I mean, I think she knows Guy Ritchie. Who knows? I mean, I had a kind of slight sort of the scent of fabulism came off that story a bit. It kind of came and went so quickly with Tina Brown saying, Megan's got a job. And then Tina Brown saying, Megan hasn't got a job after all. What I think is going to happen is they're either going to go to Althorpe, but if they go to Althorpe, she can't produce content from Althorpe. So if they go to a lovely Queen Anne, Golden Stone pile in the Cotswolds, I can see Meghan doing a lot of kind of English country content for Netflix and doing another series of kind of, you know, hens and jams, but in the English countryside.

17:26But what's wrong with that? No, I'm just saying that that could be a way forward for Megan. I mean, I love how I seem to be finding myself in Team Megan. I mean, even I'd watch that.

17:44I'm increasingly finding myself in Team Megan to the extent that I just do admire this woman's chutzpah. You know, clearly... Angela's shaking her head. But listen, OK, so in the YouGov approval ratings, they're right down at the bottom with the former Duke of York. It clearly hasn't gone as well as hoped in America. Having said all that, this woman married Prince Harry wanting fame and fortune. And regardless of what anyone else says, she has achieved that. She's tried to reposition herself into this pseudo Martha Stewart role. OK, it's half worked and half hasn't. She could monetize the whole YouTube schtick more and more and more.

18:25There's nothing to stop her doing that. And personally speaking, if she was cast in The Gentleman or EastEnders or I don't know, whatever. Creators or The Crime. Whatever. Or rivals, as somebody suggested at the weekend. Do you know what? I would be interested to see her acting in something now all these years after Suits, which, by the way, I never watched. but if she wants the public to warm to her Angela I think she's got to play a bit of a Kate role and do the school run and keep her head down if she wants the British if she really is moving here if she wants the public to love her which I think is a stretch and the rest she does she likes to go with children and you can see she cannot bear it with children she's off after a few minutes whereas Harry I have to say and will be with them for a long time.

19:18He likes to be with them. How do you know she doesn't like being with them? Angela. Because she walks off. She can't bear it. Angela, come on. Listen, hang on. Let's just get this into perspective. We know that Harry is a devoted husband and father. We get the impression that Meghan is devoted to these children. They're bringing them over to the UK, presumably because... To send them to boarding school. No, they're not going to boarding school. They're going to a day school. But it would be traditional. It may be a very maternal masterstroke, frankly, to think to yourself, listen, my children are blood-borne royals.

19:52They are in the line of succession. Whereas we may be slightly out of favour and, by the way, fearful perhaps that Prince William, when king, might try and remove us. He's not going to do that to the children because that wouldn't be a good look for him. But also you can't. And then they want to educate them in Britain so that they understand their royal heritage and roots. And from a commercial imperative, yeah, where better to position this family, the Sussexes, than in the land of historic and constitutional monarchy where ermine meets velvet meets tea meets big bucks? I get it. But the thing is, if you are taking your children round and round and round, they're now saying we're going to Australia, we're going to Canada.

20:32They haven't said that. We've speculated in the media that they might not be here for that long. And where might be next? It might be Canada. It might be Australia. In that respect, they're no different to a no-matic family of diplomats who travel around the world with their kids. It's very disturbing for children, I think, to be moved around and not know where you are and how you are. I think it's very thoughtless. Well, lots of families have kids and they travel around the world. They do it all the time. I encounter them a lot in royal and political circles because they work for embassies and things.

21:06But Harry and Meghan don't work. Well, they are working, aren't they? They have their projects, but they don't work. But hang on, we're now saying that people who are influencers, if that's what she is on YouTube, isn't a job. I don't know. Has it been renewed as ever? I mean, I know she's going to continue to produce her jams and so on. Any content she puts online, like anybody, like these families that film themselves at Disney World or whatever, she can monetise that. She wants to write books, she can monetise that. She wants to do podcasts, she can monetise that. She wants to do any commercial link-up.

21:40Which is hopeless at all of it. But, well, you say that, Angela, but, like, they don't seem to be short of a few, Bob. I appreciate what you're saying about is there a financial imperative to make yet more money by coming to the UK because they've rinsed the US aspect. I appreciate all that. But clearly she has a commercial value. She is extremely famous. Like her all over, she's one of the most well-known women in the world, is she not? That's what she wanted. He has a genius for getting attention. And the problem is, is that Harry was going to get attention whether he wanted it or not, because he was the son of the Prince of Wales and then the king.

22:16She wants attention and she needs attention in order somehow to survive. And I think that actually it's Meghan who's behind this return, because she can see that if they come back, they eclipse William and Kate. Do they? I think they eclipse them in terms of attention. Well, in terms of headlines, in terms of interest. And in that sense, in that sense, Harry wins, you see, despite his spare status, despite his younger son's status, in spite of his non-royal status, he wins because we're talking about Harry, not William. Angela? I don't think so because I think there's a lot of people who don't like him anymore and I don't like him because he's cruel and he's actually obsessed with Meghan who actually treats him like nothing.

23:15You see him running around the car. That's why he's obsessed obviously. He doesn't mind doing that but it's actually... What are you talking about? His cameo role in As Ever and things, popping up, popping down, kind of playing the Joker. He's done that all his life, Angela. So she wears the trousers. So she would have been behind this. Now he's trying to stop it, do you see? Now he's trying to be hard and to get results from what he wants. So he might be a different end to that rather than actually... Can't two things be right at once? Can't William and Kate have their own following? and their own following is based on their actual superior role in the line of succession and their role as a future king and queen.

24:00It is built around the fact that there is a fondness for them precisely because they're introverts, precisely because they're not show-offs, that the whole kind of Wimbledon waitrose crowd lords the Princess of Wales precisely because she has, quote, never put a foot wrong, been an English rose, turns up and everyone loves her, OK? Including all their children. Fine. There's a role for all that, that kind of wholesome, we are fully fledged members of the House of Windsor. We are at the top of the tree. We will continue the legacy of the great Queen Elizabeth II, so on and so forth until, you know, it all plays out as it should.

24:39George takes the throne, lovely jubbly. We then have the sideshow. And let's be honest, this is Harry's problem all along. This is what is exemplified in spare. he's always been the sideshow notwithstanding his mother saying you should be the main event because you're more charismatic you then have the Sussexes on the fringe they were going to be on the fringe whether they're in America or the UK we constantly had these diary clashes Kate and William released some family photos suddenly Harry and Meghan turn up at the opening of an envelope fine that was always going to happen it's just going to happen in the UK for a while because that might be more financially beneficial to the couple.

25:16And while we could react to that and say, God, how craven, they are entitled to do this stuff. The public will decide, right? So, when asked, and this is a Mail on Sunday survey, do you approve of Harry and Meghan's decision to return to live in the UK? No, we disapprove. 34%. Yes, we approve. 27%. Don't know. Translated, don't care 39 so you've got a third of people supporting this a third of people not supporting it and a third of people couldn't care less that that's fairly good metrics for them it's not 99 saying for god's sake don't come back here is it camilla you keep saying that it's going to be financially advantageous for them to move back to the uk they can't monetize their royal status They'll be monitored like hawks by the various palaces if they try and do that.

26:14But of course, their only status is inherent in their royal status. So there is going to be immediate conflicts in their return. And especially if they do take up residency, as I think Harry may be in Buckingham Palace. So the question will arise very, very soon. The palace couldn't stop Netflix. The palace couldn't stop Spare. They will do whatever they want. Well, Callis can't stop. Because Diana licensed him when he was a little boy. But the question that's going to arise very quickly is, can you be a little bit royal? No, you can't be a little bit pregnant. When they come back and they're back in this country, they will be royal again.

26:50Yes, because they've still got their titles. Megan knows that is their USP. Hold on, they're not going to use their titles. They've never been allowed to use their titles since Mexit and the Sandringham Summit, right? They're not allowed to say HRH. They're not allowed to do it. They can't officially use their titles. titles but at the end of the day it is inescapable that harry is the king's son and you know diana's role diana wasn't a blood-born royal she assumed the kind of highest royal status of any of them and she was a commoner who married in of course i don't think the spencers would agree with you well i mean the spencers looked down on the windsor she was described as a commoner because she wasn't a member of some other foreign royal house okay she assumed a higher status than the people her in-laws for goodness sake because of her own star quality so yeah we are dealing with an attention economy we're dealing with an environment now with social media where people do take interest in people being in their minimalist kitchens wrapping bottles of wine up in Japanese scarves.

27:58I mean, it makes my head explode. But, you know, from Stacey Solomon's doing it, why can't Meghan Markle? That's the world we live in. Do you think that Meghan is definitely going to take a film of Diana in where she was and how she's died and all the rest of it? Sorry? What's this? They're going to take a film. Make a film? Yes. About Diana's death? Yes. How do we know that, Andrea? Well, I've seen it. Lots of people have said it, that she's going to do it and Harry is going to be. Oh, Megan's going to produce. Yes. But again, forgive me what has happened to me, but to be devil's advocate, everybody else has, if you were going to be unkind about it, feasted on the memory of Diana for the last 30 years.

28:53every production company in the land, every media outlet, every broadcaster you could name. Why shouldn't Diana's own son, if he wants to, along with his wife, who was an actress, make a documentary about her death and life? Because it will very upset his brother. That's a good point. But in general, what's to stop them? Upset the queen. It's kind of weird, isn't it? If it was such a traumatic episode, If the Vermeer, a snap of a shutter, you know, triggers Harry, why would he revisit it in a film? Because it's the 30th anniversary. And he can own it. I think it's bizarre. But Charles is writing a book about Diana, obviously.

29:36It's written, yes. Charles Spence. It's written, Charles Spence. Yeah, we're going to do a separate royalty on that because I think it could be explosive. Because he knows everything, right? He said he hates the king, so it's going to be very nasty. but he and Harry have worked together. Harry said he hasn't, but I've heard from somebody who knows a lot that he has been working with him. By the way, rumours of a Harry and Meghan made Diana docu-series are only rumours right now. Nothing's been confirmed. We should state that. Final thought, Sarah Vine wrote an interesting piece. Sorry, Meghan, there's a new Fab Four in town.

30:12I wouldn't want to be in your shoes facing these remarkable, glamorous women across the damask in the drawing room at Balmoral. loved the way that the male has headlined that in typical fashion. She's making the point that there are already four fabulous women. And Sophie Wessex, Kate. Camilla. And Camilla. And actually, none of these women want you anywhere near them, so get back in your box. And all of these women are, as someone's pointed out, grafters rather than grifters. I quote a senior executive at Spotify when I say that who allegedly said that about Harry and Meghan back in the day. And therefore, there's no room at the inn.

30:48And to go with that is a story that The Telegraph has reported over the weekend saying, don't for one minute assume that you're going to be spending Christmas at Sandringham. I doubt they will be invited personally by the king to Sandringham. And I said they're not coming to Sandringham for Christmas. Doesn't want them for Christmas. And I think, you know, it's really he doesn't want to upset William. But I've just heard that they might go to her parents. Catherine's parents for Christmas. William and Kate might. Oh, what, then Sandringham is leaving a vacancy? But I don't think they want that either.

31:28They don't want them to go to things which have been organised by the royal family. If they want to run around and do what they want to say, that's one thing, but they're not going to be taken in and do the same things that the rest of the royal family do. I swear this is a shrewd move with regard to the children because it's easier to mount an argument against the parents. The children are innocent. They're seven and five. They're innocent. Archie and Lillibut. They want to spend some time with their cousins. How do we know that? Do they know about their cousins? You know, they haven't had much connection with them.

32:07They're very shy. They don't have a lot of friends with them because Megan doesn't want anyone to see what they look like. well we may be seeing what they look like sometime soon and weirdly we did see what they looked like as babies because they literally released photographs but this is this is where this is all going to be very difficult to to navigate very for the rest of the royals right because in a way and let's see whether he sticks to the never complain never explain headlines that were suggested at the weekend that actually harry knows that he needs to now shut up and if he does have interaction with his father or his brother or any other members of the royal family he can't be spilling the beans in any of any royal family whatsapp group but we do need to consider that the more reasonable the sussexes seem the less reasonable everyone else will seem so if we then get briefings like oh well the sussexes have said you know they won't go to sandringham on christmas day because they understand and respect the king's wishes but they would like to see their nearest and dearest on Boxing Day and then it's briefed and William has blocked them.

33:09William then looks like the bad guy. Well, that's what Harry's liked to do, isn't he? That's what he's doing. That's from the sausage onward, isn't it? I think that's a perfect place to end. Arguments over sausages. I mean, this is why the family is relatable, right? This is all about the childhood wounds. Don't tell me the Johnsons didn't fight over sausages back in the day, Rachel. We fought over everything. Yes, exactly. This is now Cain and Abel. And it's going to be very interesting. They're not going to go to Sandringham. And Prince Harry, given he hasn't even given a statement about his return, the mummy's return, he's not going to make statements like this.

33:50Harry has not apologised at all. He doesn't think he's got anything to apologise for. Hang on a minute. That is a note upon which the entire country is united. So although there are division over the other different issues, only 4 % think that William should make the first move to reconciliation. So when asked who should apologise, who should go first, Harry is overwhelmingly thought to be the one that should present the olive branch to his brother. He has, however, let go of telling everyone that they have to apologise to Meghan. Right. But he used to do that to all the royals. Yes. I'm curtsy, presumably.

34:29Before he would get friendly or anything. but he's now decided he's not going any further to make people say sorry to her I'm wondering why they need to say sorry to her I haven't found out yet you can help me I'm sorry Megan my feelings were hurt I'm sorry I called you a beautiful bolter I'm sorry we're all sorry thank you very much Angela Levin and Rachel Johnson we'll be back together tomorrow Can we find something else to talk about, do you think? Let's just see what happens. Anything could happen in the next 24 hours. It's a fast-moving story. We'll be back at 5pm.