Gov't Shutdown Is Blowing Up In Dems' Faces | Episode 157

28:05Up. Watch this. Here's from CNN's enthusiastic numbers guy, Harry Enten, explaining that Donald Trump is doing very well in the midst of this shutdown. Watch cut three. You might think, given that the Republicans are in charge of both the House and the Senate, that a government shutdown might actually hurt the Republican brand. But in fact, it hasn't. If anything, it's been helped a little bit. Take a look here. The shift in that popularity versus pre shutdown among the when we're looking at the Republican Party overall. all that brand actually up two points. That's within the margin of error, but clearly it hasn't dropped.

28:41Come over to this side of the screen. Look at the net approval ratings for Republicans in Congress. It's actually up five points since pre-shutdown. How did that happen? How did that happen? How is it that President Trump's approval rating has gone up during the shutdown? How is it that Republican Party approval rating is going up during the shutdown? How does this happen? And the answer to that is we are winning. We are winning. The legacy media are losing. It didn't used to be this way. In fact, in the past, during a shutdown like this, regardless of the culpability of Democrats, Republicans would be stuck with the blame by the legacy media.

29:28The distortion filter of the legacy media has been powerful and immense. The stranglehold that the legacy press held on the American mind was pretty big, pretty big. This is why it matters so much that independent media is breaking through at levels we've never seen before. Americans are more attuned than ever to the truth of what's actually going on in Washington. They're scrutinizing D.C. at levels that we've never seen before with technology that enables it at a level that's never been possible. This moment is an amazing exposition of just how far we've come as a country in a good direction.

30:17The reality here is Americans are blaming Democrats for the shutdown because they deserve blame for the shutdown. And they're measuring their thoughts on this subject based on the totality of the evidence. Do we want to see the president use the government shutdown effectively in order to shrink the federal government? Yes, of course. Should the federal government come back and negotiate a budget that shrinks how much they're spending? A hundred percent. But simultaneously, you and I being able to think through the details here and being aware of all of the facts, know that, yes, there There are decent people within the federal government who are suffering as a result of this.

30:52There's no reason that an enlisted service member with a young family should not be receiving paychecks right now. What a horrific situation to have to be in. And there's no reason that people should have to go hungry because Democrats are demonstrating such a callous disregard for their lives and their well-being. That is horrific. It's disgusting. And it's completely brazen. The American people are seeing right through this. And that's the reason they're sticking once again with President Trump. And that's the reason you're seeing such a panic attack on the American left, which really has no plan.

31:30The plan right now is to continue to bring us into the descent of chaos. And there's no political upside to that move. It's just it's all downside for them and for the rest of us. Kind of wild. All right. More ahead. I've got Congressman Jim Jordan joining us in just a moment. We're going to talk to him. He's the chairman of the House Judiciary Committee. Looking forward to that because I want to get the latest on everything that he's revealing about the abuses of the Biden Justice Department. Brand new information on that subject. Hold on for that. But first, I want to tell you about Bone Charge.

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34:11Congressman Jim Jordan is on the program. Congressman, good to have you with us today, sir. Good to be with you, Vince. All right. Let's talk about the government shutdown real quick. I've been pointing out that this is a very callous thing that these Democrats are doing and nobody's buying what they're selling. I can't tell you the number of these lawmakers, your colleagues, who I've seen making claims like this suffering that people are undergoing right now is our leverage. That's the only leverage we have. Have you ever seen anything so brazen, so callous, so heartless coming out of Washington?

34:44No, and I don't know that the American people have either. And that's why I think, as you pointed out, the polling actually indicates that there's more confidence, more support for Republicans, less for Democrats. Because, as you said, I think the American people have common sense. And they can see that when you had a party who supported a continuing resolution, a funding bill that funded the government at the current levels, that a party who voted for that six months ago but won't vote for the same darn thing now, they rightly, I think, figured out that that's the problem. It's the Democrats.

35:16It's Chuck Schumer who's having this this debate with himself. Chuck Schumer against Chuck Schumer. He voted for it six months ago. He won't now. And they're because they're so against Trump and they got to do something. So I think the country's figured it out. And hopefully the Democrats will at some point. We can get on with things. So what happens? I mean, so November 1st, most of the states say that they're not going to have the money for the food stamps that people rely on to feed their families. I mean, do Democrats like grow a heart at that point? Is it any point they're like, OK, maybe we should reopen the government?

35:45What's going to happen in the next week? Well, I think they're I mean, who knows? I mean, this could go on for who knows how much longer. But I think they're probably looking looking to what happens on November. They keep talking about this. The notices on certain Obamacare premiums that those are those are going to go out and they expect them to to to ratchet up some. I think they're looking to that. They may be waiting for the election next Tuesday to find out how they do in Virginia, how they do in New Jersey, and of course, how they do in New York City. I don't know. I think they're pretty dug in, but I think this is driven by the simple fact that the hard left now controls their party.

36:23I always say not all Democrats are crazy, but the radical left is, and they now have control of one of the two major political parties, and they are pushing Schumer to do this. I mean, the idea that Schumer may get a primary in a couple of years for his Senate seat, that there's talk of actually Leader Jeffries getting a primary as well. I think that's driving some of this. So we'll just have to wait and see. But I think this could go for certainly in the next week, maybe longer. This Obamacare subsidy thing that they're fighting for, they claim that this is the key thing that they really want.

36:54And I just want to explore this with you for a moment because this is how I understand it. Obamacare gets passed, of course, during the Obama administration. It's called the Affordable Care Act. History has demonstrated that it's not affordable at all. It made health care prices skyrocket. And in 2021, Joe Biden and the Democrats under the cover of covid, they pass these subsidies and the subsidies are designed to conceal how expensive Obamacare is basically stealing from taxpayers and then artificially bringing down premiums and pretending like Obamacare is affordable. It is not. So if I understand the sequence of events correctly, what Democrats are trying to fight for right now is how big the ongoing cover up of this is going to be, like how the cover up of how expensive Obamacare is going to be.

37:44Like, can we steal more money from the American taxpayer to cover up Obamacare? Is that what this is? Yeah. Further subsidize how bad and concealing how bad the Obamacare is. No, you're exactly right, Vince. Remember when they, everything they told us about Obamacare when they passed it, I don't know, 15 years ago, everything they told us turned out to be false. Remember they said, if you like your plan, you can keep your plan. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. Premiums will go down. The president, Obama even said premiums will go down on average$1 ,500. Well, none of that turned out to be true.

38:16So they had to, at first they expand it, then they add the subsidy. Now they extend the subsidy and now they want to extend it again to do exactly what you described to mask just how bad this really is. When what we think should happen is quit subsidizing something that's failing and instead go back to some reforms that actually empower families, empower patients, whether it's health savings accounts, whether it's more access to high deductible plans that many young families want to purchase at lower costs. Those are the kind of things that we think make sense. But no, no, no, no. They just want to keep masking this and subsidizing it.

38:52And the subsidy doesn't go to the family. It goes to the insurance company, a further way that they can hide just how bad this whole thing has turned out to be. Yeah, how about that? That's amazing. And just further evidence, like what they're really doing is they will starve Americans until they can orchestrate a cover-up with their money. What? That's insane. That's a completely insane arrangement. It's villainous. Speaking of villainous, you have just obtained documents from the Federal Bureau of Investigation detailing the behavior, the ongoing behavior of the Biden Justice Department and how they targeted the right.

39:27What did you learn this week? Well, specifically, it's relative to Jack Smith, the special counsel. And what we learned is it was much more his investigation was much more expansive, much broader than we thought. The 180 individuals were subpoenaed. And I always go back and say, remember what we know about Jack Smith. Jack Smith is the guy who got the gag order on President Trump. He's the guy who raided President Trump's home. His special counsel investigations were the ones who threatened what looks to me like almost a bribe of one of the defendants' counsel. Jack Smith is the guy who two of his deputies came and we deposed.

40:02Both of them took the fifth, 171 times, 173 times. took the fifth to questions like, was the special counsel's investigation a political in nature designed to undermine and hurt the president? We take the fifth to that question. Another question, how many other people, other members of Congress did you surveil? They took the fifth to that question. And of course, we learned just a few weeks ago that it was eight United States senators who they were getting the phone records up, Jack Smith's special counsel. Now we learn it's broader than that. We learned that the coordination between the January 6th committee and the special counsel, Jack Smith's special counsel investigation, where the January 6th committee just handed over transcripts, information they got, they just turned over to Jack Smith.

40:44So this is pretty serious stuff. And the hundreds of people in and around the government, in and around President Trump who they were looking into, I think is pretty troubling when you think about the history of what they did. You think about the guys who two of his lieutenants who came to work for Jack Smith prior to joining the special counsel team. They were the guys who took Scott Perry's phone, a sitting member of the United States Congress, took his phone, member of a separate and equal branch of the government. So all that is now starting to come forward because of the good work in Kash Patel and Attorney General Bondi and getting information to us.

41:20But it'd be one thing if any of those members of Congress was credibly accused of having committed a crime or something for them to be investigated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. It's another thing entirely when all of these documents seem to reveal that it's normal political conversations, normal political organization, normal scrutiny of elections that's being criminalized by the United States Department of Justice. In other words, like these documents, as far as I'm concerned, Jim Jordan, demonstrate that they were using the government as a weapon to attack Republicans, their political opponents.

41:54No, exactly. And that's it. It was all about going after your political foes, all about trying to prevent President Trump from ever running again, forever being president again. And the good news is it didn't work because the American people, just like they're seeing through this shutdown charade, saw through what Jack Smith, what the Merrick Garland, the Biden Justice Department was up to. And I think the country has now rightly figured out that this was really a 10-year process because you go clear back to 2015, 2015, 2016, 2016, when they spied on President Trump's campaign. The Clinton campaign hired the law firm Perkins Coie, who then funneled the money to this public relations firm Fusion GPS, who then hired a foreigner, Christopher Steele, who wrote this garbage document called the dossier, which was complete BS.

42:44And yet, Jim Comey and the FBI used that document as a basis to go get warrants to spy on the other party's campaign. And then from then on, it just took off and you saw this lawfare weaponization just go. And that's what we're now beginning to get more details about in so many ways. So, Congressman, to what extent do you think they were going for broke to stop Trump from returning to office for this very reason? Like, in other words, we would have never found any of this out were it not for the fact that Donald Trump is president again and that Kash Patel and Dan Bongino were leading the FBI.

43:15We would have none of this information right now. So how much of this was dedicated to preventing this kind of oversight and accountability? It was both. It was it was dedicated to preventing Trump from getting back in office because they're just they were out to get the president from the get go. And then once that he was, you know, the nominee, Jack Smith gets named special counsel. Then it's or once he once President Trump declared after the midterm elections in 22 that he was going to run again. And then it was all about preventing him from getting there because they were against him and making sure if someone else is in office, Democrats in office, we would never find out all this information.

43:48It was all of that. And they they went to, like I said, we referred John Brennan last week on when this all started. We referred him because he he lied to Congress. You're not supposed to lie, but you're definitely not supposed to lie when you're under oath talking to the United States Congress. Violation of 18 U.S.C. 1001. And John Brennan did that. He told us the dossier was no way used. He pushed for it not to be included in the intelligence community assessment. Only problem is Tulsi Gabbard declassified a report from the House Intelligence Committee, which says exactly the opposite. In fact, in that report, they relayed an incident where a CIA official goes up to Mr.

44:25Brennan back in 2016 and says, Director, this dossier doesn't hold up. There's no underlying intelligence to really support this. It's garbage. And Brennan goes, yeah, but doesn't it ring true? And he pushed forward to actually be in the intelligence community report when he told us just the opposite. So we don't do many of these referrals. But when when the facts are that clear, we think it's warranted. And so we sent that to the Justice Department and said, this guy should be this guy should be prosecuted. Let me vocalize something that I see in our chat. And I definitely hear all the time about about Congress and investigations.

44:59And I know you've heard it before, too, Congressman, which is basically like, oh, this is great. We find out all this information. We know they're abusive. It seems with each passing week, we find out more reports of their abuses. But nothing ever happens. Nothing ever happens. One, I'll let me let me dispute that claim on my own, which is I've already pointed out. We're in an administration now where we are seeing forward positive traction on accountability on some very high profile people. Prosecutions of Comey, Letitia James, John Bolton. They're actively doing it. But the role that you play in this, it does seem, as far as I can tell, you've got the oversight capacity here.

45:35Right. And now you've made criminal referrals. It does go into the hands of the Justice Department for the next steps. Is that right? Right. You got separate and equal branches of government. We're the legislative branch. We're supposed to do the budgets, pass the laws and our constitutional duty to do oversight. So we do oversight, but we can't prosecute anyone. We can't indict anyone. All we can do is get the facts, then use those facts to change law if we need to, use those facts to impact the funding of certain agencies. If they're particularly involved in weaponization, we think it's better off.

46:02They have less money, whatever. We can do all that. And then we can also say, here is someone we think did wrong or lied to us or whatever. We're going to refer that to the Justice Department. As I said, we don't do that very often. It's got to be clearly there. The facts do. They've got to demonstrate that it actually took place. With Mr. Brennan, we think it did. But you're right, this Justice Department, it is night and day. Pam Bondi, Kash Patel versus Merrick Garland and Chris Wray, night and day. And they are saying, we're going to hold people accountable. We're not going to do what the left is accusing President Trump of, of retribution and actually weaponizing the government now on his own.

46:36He's not doing that. He's holding people accountable. Jim Comey, Jim Comey is one of the central players. He's the one who took the dossier and used it as a basis to go get a warrant to spy on President Trump's campaign back in 2016. Jim Comey is being charged with giving false information to Congress and obstructing a congressional investigation. John Bolton for mishandling 18 counts, sharing and having classified information, the very thing he criticized President Trump for when President Trump is the one guy who can declassify things. And, of course, John Brennan, we believe, lied to Congress.

47:06And we actually point out in our letter, I would just add Vince if I could, we point out in our letter to Pam, to the Attorney General, we point out that there's a pattern here. Mr. Brennan, we think, lied in a hearing with then Congressman Gowdy. We think he lied to Trey when Trey asked him about the dossier. And of course, the biggest irony is when he lied to us last Congress, it was when we were deposing him on a different subject. We were asking questions and we were investigating the 51 former Intel officials who signed that ridiculous letter saying the Hunter Biden laptop was a Russian information operation.

47:39So we were deposing about that ridiculous thing. And and he lies to us about the dossier. So there's a pattern with Mr. Brennan not being square with the country and not being square with the Congress. Yeah, big time. OK, so can you give us some perspective behind the scenes of what this is all like? Like like you say it's night and day at the United States Department of Justice. What are your conversations like with the Justice Department? How sincere is this effort to try and hold these guys accountable? Just just measure them in terms of your of their convictions. in your view? Well, I think it's twofold.

48:12I think that, particularly with the FBI, I think Director Patel, his focus is we want the FBI to be what Americans want our FBI to be, focused on getting bad guys, not focused on spying on Americans. And so that's where his focus is. And to make sure that that doesn't happen in the future, you need to hold people accountable who were engaged in things that they shouldn't have been surveilling and spying on Americans, whether it was getting eight senators' phone records or doing all the things they did. So It is night and day, and it's also night and day when we ask for information. For example, the memorandum that was done in the Richmond field office back in the Ray FBI era that said if you're a pro-life Catholic, you're an extremist.

48:52Well, we thought we'd asked Ray countless times to give us all the information. How pervasive was this? Was it broader than just the Richmond field office of the FBI? And it was always a limited one. We got very few documents. When we sent a subpoena to Director Patel, I think the second day on the job, and we start getting all this information that wasn't given to us when we were doing our investigations in previous Congresses. So that, to me, is the biggest contrast. They are focused on doing what the FBI is supposed to do, rounding up bad guys and people who are involved in money laundering and mob activity, whatever, and then giving us the information we're entitled to have to do our oversight duties.

49:29So you feel like you have a partner over there. Do you call up Cash or email them and like, hey, can I get some more information on this? And then it's like that, like snap, he just gets it right to you? We run it through. We run it through staff. We try not to have like the, you know, where I'm directly talking with the AG and the deputy AG or the director. Now, we will get together with him and we'll talk from time to time. But normally we run that through staff. There's certain protocols you try to follow that we think are appropriate when you're talking about two different branches of government and how we interact.

49:57OK. And and on John Brennan, who, by the way, has like lied repeatedly to the American people about all sorts of things, including spying on the United States Senate back in the day during the Obama administration. Let me let me just ask you something about this arrangement. And you and I had this conversation earlier this week on the radio show, but I just want to make sure people hear it here, too, which is the John Brennan crimes, if they're charged right now, appear to have occurred in Washington, D.C. They would have been lies that were told in person before Congress. If that's the case, it's very likely that an indictment, any consideration of an indictment would be handled by a D.C.

50:35grand jury. That's not good news as far as I'm concerned, because the D.C. grand jury pool sucks. It is politically loaded. We've seen how they've handled genuine criminal cases in the past. It's not a great track record. What do you make of that component of this? No, it is what it is. Look, maybe there have been talk of this from some smart legal minds. Maybe there's a broader issue here, a conspiracy where you have a group of individuals who conspired to go after the president, conspired to do things that they shouldn't be doing to go after President Trump. So if there's a broader charge, more people involved, we'll see how that plays out.

51:15That probably too would take place here in the district, but we'll just have to see. I don't know how you get around that. Our job is to get the facts when we have the facts, if it's appropriate, make a referral, which we did in this situation because we did think it was warranted. And then we just we just leave that up to the Justice Department, how they handle it. Finally, if you could help me just theorize about something for a moment. People obviously I mentioned that we've seen a couple of people indicted, Comey, Letitia James and John Bolton. What we haven't seen with each of those indictments are any sort of dramatic televised arrests.

51:50Like we don't see people handcuffed and dragged in or anything like that, which is, of course, how the left treated people. Of course. Peter Navarro and Roger Stone and these poor guys, just they were treated like utter shit by the by the way. But here you're not seeing the same thing. And my theory has been that the reason the Trump administration is not doing this in general is because they're not trying to give the left any sort of martyrdom injury imagery. Like they like there's no reason to do the big perp walk because the left is trying to create fake martyrs all over the place. They said they would use the imagery as a way to run some sort of stupid psyop on their own base.

52:26What do you think about this, that the handcuffs are not being put on these guys in public on camera? Well, I think it's just the way you should run an investigation, the way you should run an operation. I think it's just the right way to do things as compared to how they did it. I mean, think about the raid on the president's house. We deposed an FBI agent at the Washington field office. And when we asked him these questions in the last Congress, he said, yeah, he said he pushed for it to be where they just called up the president's lawyers and say, hey, can you give us this information? Can we work this out?

52:59No, no, no, no. We're going to go in. Then he said, well, if we're going to send FBI agents in and do a raid on his home, why don't we wait until his lawyer gets there and we can walk through together and we can handle this in that kind of fashion? I mean, you're talking about the former president at the time. Like, no, no, no, we're just going in. We're not going to wait for his lawyer. So they did it in a way where they created that sort of those dramatic images where the right way to do things is the right way to do things. And I think that's how how Attorney General Bondi and Director Patel are doing things.

53:27In other words, the president's not a king and not a tyrant. The guy's just doing the decent thing and handling business the way he's supposed to. All right, Congressman Jim Jordan, thank you. Thank you for all of your transparency initiatives. Keep sending those criminal referrals over, would you? Thank you, sir. You bet. Take care, Vince. There he is, Congressman Jim Jordan, the chairman of the Judiciary Committee. good dude and and yeah no it's it's I'm with you chat I know everyone everyone is they say champing it is correct champing at the bit for accountability here and and few more so than me I'm really I'm really eager to see these people held accountable and so any any forward progress towards that that's a good sign I like that yesterday speaking of guests yesterday on the program we He had the great Michael Knowles stop by and Michael stops by just ahead of his own testimony before the United States Senate about political violence.

54:22And now the left is responsible for basically all of it in the United States right now. And if we're going to do anything to get together as a country, we have to address that dramatic problem. Now, the Democrats yesterday, to the extent that they engaged in the committee at all, they showed up. They gave idiotic speeches saying that it really wasn't a left wing problem and that there's violence on both sides and that, you know, yada, yada, yada. Let's not pay attention to this. And then they would disappear. They would leave the room. They refused to stick around because they knew if they did that people like Michael Knowles may actually address them and hold them accountable.

54:57So that's what happened yesterday with Cory Booker. Cory Booker showed up, the New Jersey senator. He said some stupid things that were designed to downplay left wing violence. And then he escaped the room. Well, that didn't stop Michael Knowles. Here's Michael yesterday after his appearance on our program. He appears before the United States Senate and he's got some words for those senators. And in particular, Cory Booker. Take a look here. Cut for. I think Senator Booker made a good point just a moment ago when he said we have to self-examine. We have to be introspective. And, you know, I can't help but think of a line today.

55:32Jay Jones has the vision, commitment, and integrity to keep families safe and make sure every Virginian gets a fair shake in the justice system. I'll be working every day to ensure Jay wins this race. That's the endorsement of Senator Booker for a man who would seek to be the Attorney General of Virginia. This is a man who, if people have not been reading the news, has called for a Republican to be murdered, for his children to be murdered, for the children to die in their mother's arms in order to persuade the Republican to change his policy views, and a man who says that he would urinate on the graves of multiple Republicans.

56:06Senator Booker, in the spirit of introspection, is standing by this endorsement. So I suppose I would invite, perhaps I should have looked, because Senator Booker has left the room, and I think I can guess why. Senator Booker, I think, should practice what he preaches, because this is the kind of moment, you cannot have a professor who wants to teach students, and is going to desire to kill half of them. You certainly cannot have law enforcement officers who would engage in this kind of violent rhetoric against half of their constituents. So long as anyone stands by an endorsement such as that, their words are meaningless.

56:42They are shedding crocodile tears on the topic of political violence. Michael Knowles is really good, isn't he? He's so proper and so capable and so intellectual. And then he sits there and he just absolutely upbraids these idiots by just telling them the truth about what they endorse and what they're for. You know, Cory Booker is ridiculous. What a ridiculous human being. And he's standing by Jay Jones, who is the attorney general nominee in Virginia, who has called for political violence against Republicans, who has said that he wants to put two bullets in the head of the former Republican Speaker of the House in Virginia, who did want to see police officers killed in order to achieve some sort of cruel political change, who did say all of those awful things about killing Todd Gilbert's children.

57:23He said all those things. He's still the attorney general nominee. And none of these Democrats have walked away from endorsing this guy. None of them. They stand by it. They're with him in this race. Nancy Pelosi appeared on television as the Jay Jones scandal was breaking. People are like, oh, my God, this guy's a psychopath. Nancy Pelosi, who is also a psychopath, goes on television, is asked about it. And she goes, well, he's better than the other guy. He's better than the other guy. She endorses him in the midst of his political violence fantasies. It's true. It's true. That party is nuts, is nuts and candidly violent.

58:00And if they're not violent at the upper levels, they're breathing life into violence, making excuses for violence. So, yeah, it's a massive problem. And Jay Jones continues to be on the ballot in Virginia. That election is barreling towards us, by the way. and they're the Democrat nominee to become the governor, Abigail Spanberger. One of the stories of the week that she's hoping doesn't get any notice. She removed Jay Jones's name from her bus, from her campaign bus. Yeah, she had Abigail Spanberger and she had Jay Jones's name up there. It's been removed and she's pretending like it didn't happen.

58:37Of course, she's a Democrat. It's always covers, cover ups with these Democrats. Remarkable stuff. More ahead today on the big national radio show, The Vince Show. You can listen to it, thevincshow.com. Get your local listings. We've got them posted there. Or you can join us on rumble, rumble.com slash Vince. While you're here with us, wherever you get us, especially if you're on Rumble, like, share, subscribe. Would you do that? And if you're staring at the Rumble page right now, would you gently, ever so gently, caress the like button such that it registers and gives a thumbs up to this program?

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