Here Come The Epstein Files | Episode 171

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31:42He's a photographer. He's really done it all. Matt, great to have you with us again today, sir. Hey, thanks for having me on. I appreciate it. Give me an update on Operation Charlotte's Web. Tell us about this program and what you guys are up to. Yeah. So the Border Patrol decided to bring in some agents to Charlotte. We've been covering Charlotte for a while. They have a huge illegal immigrant population. I think most estimates – so the city is about 900 ,000 people, and estimates are about 100 ,000 of those people are illegal. So a huge portion. So DHS went in there with Border Patrol and rounded up, I think, 130 illegal immigrants.

32:29A lot of them were – I mean truly some of the worst. One guy was wanted for murder, multiple people for child sex crimes. I mean just some of the worst people you can imagine. and you saw liberal activists. I've never seen anything like this. There were just like liberal activists were screaming at Border Patrol. They were so angry. If you go on like Facebook or Instagram, it's all of these people saying, they're just rounding up random people off the street. And I'm staring at the arrest reports. I'm like, these are bad people. You don't want to live next to these people. Don't you know, I mean, have you noticed, have you noticed like that there's, if they actually had a real sob story, like a real, like an American citizen, some cute little American girl was taken into custody.

33:16Like none of that's happened. None of that's happened. So everything is constantly like a make-believe operation where they like create some fiction that, oh, Americans are being rounded up or people are being targeted for their skin color. And none of that's happening. It's almost like they wish that would happen in order to stop us from getting control of our borders. Oh, 100%. There was this viral video of a man whose window was kind of beaten out, like broken by Border Patrol. And everyone was freaking out because it was an American citizen. And they were like, this is racial profiling. And then DHS a couple hours later was like, this man told us out loud that he was trying to distract Border Patrol from arresting illegals.

34:01Okay, that makes sense. But you're right. Like if they actually had, you know, I still have yet to hear, and I can't find one, an American citizen that has been deported by ICE or Border Patrol. I haven't heard of one. Like where is the story? You know, people get arrested all the time that, you know, don't end up getting convicted of crimes. It happens. I was stopped in Arizona by Border Patrol once, and it was, I mean, a little freaky. Nothing happened. I wasn't doing anything wrong. they just wanted to search the car because one of their dogs you know perked on the car and i went on my way and that's you know that's just how it goes did you feel racially profiled by that experience did they target you because of your skin color you think no i don't think so vince no i don't think so but yes in other words like like it is like totally normal to have a situation where like okay just like these guys are just trying to do their jobs and like respect them for it.

34:59And look, I'm a huge, I'm as big a fan as you can possibly be of Border Patrol and ICE because what I want, what I desire is I want my country back. I don't think that it's good that tens of millions of people have poured across the border. I'm sorry that they were sold a false bill of goods. I'm sorry that they were misled into believing that they could stay here forever because the American people would like their country back. And that's regardless of like skin color or creed or anything else. People just like when you live here, you know, it's the left had this position for years that Hispanic Americans must love illegal immigration because so many of the illegal aliens are Hispanic.

35:37That's insane. Have you have you spent any time talking to any Hispanic Americans? They are just like the rest of us. They want sovereignty. They don't want our country to be wide open. They want it to function and they want it to be for Americans. Correct. And, you know, yesterday I saw a report that 21 ,000 children in Charlotte did not go to school because they were scared of the illegal immigration arrests. That's 15 % of the entire school district of Charlotte didn't go to school because they were scared of being arrested by ICE. just imagine the class sizes if 20 ,000 kids were not here illegally imagine all those houses the housing costs would drop precipitously I put out this tweet the other day it's hard for me to think of a problem in the country that would not be either solved or get substantially more improved with with deporting all illegals.

36:48It's hard for me to think of one. Well, yeah, I mean, housing affordability is a huge one. You've heard from J.D. Vance recently talking about this. There's like all these things where Washington tries to work around the edges. How can we make houses more affordable? Well, here's a really obvious answer. If you deport 30 million people who shouldn't be here, 20 million if you want to be conservative, 10 million, whatever the number is, that's less competition for scarce resources, which is a roof over your head, which means more Americans can actually afford to buy one or rent one. This is very simple math.

37:20Why is it that Washington finds it impossible to do that math? I think the optics are what kind of get people. I was talking to a couple of friends recently, and it's the optics of deporting someone that hasn't committed a violent crime. time, people just don't like the optics. It looks bad. And I think Congress is honestly gutless, especially the GOP. I mean, I'm a Republican now. I'm a registered Republican. I did that back in October for the first time. And it's really frustrating. I do feel like a lot of the GOP and Congress just don't want to do the will of the people. And it sucks. You know, because this is this is one of the issues that Trump was very clear on.

38:17And by the way, Hispanics voted overwhelmingly for Trump. They swung huge to Trump in the election. And this is the this is what the people voted for. And I wish Congress would actually do something here. So far, the numbers are that two million people have self-deported from the country. Eight hundred thousand have been forcibly deported. That's two point eight million people who've left already this year. That's that's a that's progress. I know the Trump administration wants a lot more, but I think you are pointing to a very real phenomenon. And it does exist on the right, by the way, too. So much of our attention is rightly focused on the peril that the left has foisted upon the country.

38:56But there are business interests on the right who are perfectly happy with looking the other way on illegal immigration, illegal aliens, because they've been using them. They've there's an exploitative labor relationship with illegal aliens that continues to persist in the United States. And it's often done through things like subcontracting, a little little strategic distance from from illegal aliens. But the reality is, like, you know, basically there are people who are being paid indentured servant wages in order to do things in the United States. And there are coalitions on both sides of the political aisle who kind of look the other way to continue that system.

39:35That's right. I was perusing the other way this happens is through H-1B visas, right? And I was perusing some of the open H-1B opportunities. And I found that in North Carolina, they're wanting English teachers on H-1B visas to come to the United States to teach English. And I'm like, if we don't have anyone that can do that in North Carolina, the wages were outrageously low. We're talking like$38 ,000. So that makes sense, right? You would get someone from India to come over here and teach English. That's insane. We don't need an H-1B visa for that. I'm pretty sure you can find someone that's willing to teach English in America.

40:24A hundred percent. The H-1B thing is a clear dividing line, I think, between I think the parties. But there is some fighting on the subject in the on the right. I say fighting. There's a debate on the subject. President Trump seems kind of OK with the H-1B system, but a lot of his base is not. And I and I share that sentiment. I'm with his base. I think it's it's exploitative. I think that it exists to tie foreign workers directly to the company that they get the H-1B visa with. They have no portability, so they're not competitive on the open market. They don't get paid the wage that they would be worth if they were actually free to move jobs in the United States.

41:07And by extension, oftentimes there's a lot of Americans who are out of work who could have those jobs but don't because they're being given away to foreigners. That's not a system I like, Matt. No, I don't like it either. And to your point about Trump, I do think one of the things I like about Trump after listening to him for a while this year is that he does kind of pivot and move based on the new evidence that you show him. My assumption would be that if someone showed President Trump that they were hiring English teachers in North Carolina on H-1B visas, he'd probably say, we got to shut that down.

41:46I don't I don't think he would he would be for that. And I understand his point of view, you know, that there are some let's just take Elon, for example. Right. If there's another Elon out there that, you know, we should give that person the H1B visa for sure. But there's a category for that. I'm sorry, just interrupt. There's a category for that. It's called an O-1 visa. There are extraordinary visas available for the most unusual geniuses on the planet. That is a separate category of visa. This H-1B thing, as everyone's been talking about, 80 percent of the H-1Bs are going to entry-level workers.

42:23These are just people – yeah, 80 percent. These are not Elon Musks that are being brought in. These are lever pullers. And as a result, like there's lots of Americans who could use gainful employment at a realistic wage here in the United States of America. And we've kind of got a corrupt relationship. We definitely have a corrupt relationship between big business interests and the government that's selling people out that we should end. no doubt i had no idea that was 80 that's wild it's massive and also the numbers are crazy too because eight speaking of 80 80 of the visas the h1b visas go to indian uh foreign nationals and then 10 of them go to chinese foreign nationals so we're bringing in 90 or indian and chinese uh and again american citizens uh they they get the losing end of that stick so uh you know i I started the show today, Matt, talking about affordability.

43:15The president is grabbing that bull by the horns, and rightfully so. That's a great thing about how to make America a more affordable place to live and how to make it great for Americans. This is a part of that conversation, isn't it? No doubt. Yeah, and I saw – I think it was Benny Johnson say that the average homeowner now or first-time homebuyer is 40, which is insane. I mean, you could start a family at 40. It would be a lot easier to start a family at 25. And that is, they really need to take a look at that. I know that permitting, if you're building a house in California, 30 % to 40 % of your entire cost of a build is permits alone.

43:57So you could take a look at that. And then obviously deporting illegals. It's a simple supply and demand problem. You increase the supply by deporting illegals. It's very simple. So, OK, one of the reasons I like chatting with you, as you mentioned earlier, you just recently became a Trump voter. And you're a Republican, right? Do you consider yourself a Republican now? I just registered. Yeah, I just registered as a Republican. So you just registered as a Republican. And I had a great conversation. And so people should go back if they want to see it with you and your lovely wife, Erin, about how you've both arrived at this conclusion.

44:29And thankfully together. I mean, it could be torture on your marriage if you didn't. Yeah, that's true. But I do like asking about the psychology of the left because you were so you were so recently a part of it. And and I wonder why is it that you have people, including in Charlotte, North Carolina and all over the place, who have really become convinced that something awful is happening, that Donald Trump is a tyrant, that deporting people here illegally is a bad thing. How does that sort of mass delusion take hold? How does that happen? Yeah. Well, I've been carefully watching the local news and national news on the left.

45:10And it's very easy to see because people will just repost whatever. I'm not on Instagram or Facebook, but my wife is. And you can see very clearly that people truly believe that ICE and Border Patrol are grabbing anyone that looks Hispanic off the street. That's what they believe. They believe that ICE is just coming for – they're racially profiling people and just pulling them off the street. And you'll read these articles, and the articles will just completely back up that worldview without any true facts of who they've actually arrested thus far. So you'll read this article of American Citizen Gets His Windows Smashed In, the one we were just talking about.

45:52And nowhere in the article is, oh, by the way, these 130 people they arrested, some of them are wanted for murder and child sex crimes. It's nowhere in the article anywhere. So if you were just to read the article on its face and look at the, I mean, tens of thousands of shares of these things amongst social media, you would think ICE is just randomly rounding up American citizens for no benefit. Right? There's no benefit. There's no positive outcome. And if that's what you read and that's what you believe and that's what your algorithm shows you, then, yeah, you're going to get out there and protest.

46:29No doubt. It looks terrible. And, you know, I was in that media bubble for a while. I had – well, one, I had no idea that illegal immigration was even a problem at all. I never knew that we had a border problem during the Biden administration. I had no idea. Until I got on Twitter, I had no idea. Zero. Well, what did you think? it never penetrated at all? Like you didn't hear anything about the debate or anything? Because, you know, remember early on in the Biden administration, for those of us who are following it closely, the Biden administration, insofar as they'd acknowledge it, they'd be like, yeah, we have a challenge on the border, not a crisis.

47:04It's just a challenge. They would act like it was like some small thing, like they needed to get an oil change. That's nothing to worry about here. It just really never penetrated. It just never broke through the bubble that you were consuming? Well, I always thought that, you know, it was just some sort of right wing talking point that was making a bigger deal out of something that wasn't a big deal at all. And so you kind of just like, yeah, whatever. Like, it's not like there might be like a trickle of people crossing the border, but most of that is just racism, right? You're just, you're just kind of being racist.

47:38And there's not a big problem. I had no idea. Like the charts that I ended up seeing on X of people crossing the border, I never saw any raw numbers of people crossing the border. There was never any talk that it was actually a problem. And there was no thousands, tens of thousands of Chinese nationals coming across the border. People like nobody. I had no idea. And there was also no explanation of why is that a problem? Right. There's there's no like we're having now. You know, we can we can very easily articulate why that is a problem. Never, never even crossed my mind that it was occurring or that it could potentially become a very big problem.

48:19I'll tell you, there's a lot of there's a lot of crystal clear reasons, I think, in my mind, some of which took a long for me to establish. But I now I've arrived at this place in my life where I can assess it this way. One is, of course, the impact on the social safety net, clearly drawing off the taxpayer resources and you're not even entitled to it, including emergency rooms and healthcare expenditures. Another is the extent to which our housing is overwhelmed by people who shouldn't be here. Another is the extent to which our electoral systems are overwhelmed by people who shouldn't be here.

48:48We shouldn't be drawing congressional districts based on illegal aliens, which we currently are. We shouldn't be apportioning the electoral college based on illegal aliens, which we currently are. And then probably the biggest one, as far as I'm concerned, and those are all big ones, but the biggest one is the cultural impact on the United States. I mean, I keep using a reference to, because I think it's appropriate, to the Old Testament Tower of Babel. Like at some point, if your community has no cohesion whatsoever, it collapses. If you don't share a language or a culture, if you don't assimilate, the whole thing falls apart.

49:20And when the left, which opened the doors to this kind of destruction, basically comes swooping in and go, hey, everything's falling apart. You want us to rescue you? That's really the arsonist responding to the fire. And I hate that because what it means is that our country becomes less self-reliant. People become less engaged in healthy communities and more dependent on a government that actually doesn't have your best interest at heart at all. They just want to exploit you for their own advancement of power. This is a disastrous recipe. And using human beings in this way is a part of the plan.

49:57Right. And I feel like it's sold as kindness and empathy towards people who are hurting. And so you'll get people like me and my wife who feel bad. We don't want people to suffer. We don't want people to get hurt. But we don't also think, or I didn't think, of all of the potential implications of what that meant, you know, like you just very clearly articulated there. I'll give you just a quick example that's kind of personal to me. You know, I recently was talking to a North Carolina public school teacher who has a ton of kids in her class that don't speak any English at all. and she has an app on her phone that she uses to translate every single instruction to the kid in Spanish that she just goes, you know, speaks into it and then tells the kid.

50:54And that slows down the classroom a ton. And I also learned that's not unique. It happens all over the place. And, you know, again, like I wasn't thinking about this, you know, I wasn't thinking, oh, you know, this could hurt kids in public schools because, you know, everyone, people don't speak English. I had no idea. And I just think, you know, that's part of the problem. You know, you just don't think through these kind of implications when you're just feeling bad for someone. Yes. And that's what you just described, though, I think, is the skeleton key to the psychosis that we're witnessing on the left.

51:31There's a form of moral blackmail that is used in order to keep people locked into place to the point that they begin demonizing their political opponents as not having being being not human at all and that's why you're seeing on the left this rampant sort of unfortunate assassination culture where half of all lefties think that it'd be perfectly okay to see President Trump assassinated that's insane and that is the product of that kind of thinking which we have to work as hard as we can to break because you know we've got a country worth saving Matt thank you as always great to talk to you and thank you for helping you to all of this yeah thanks for having me on Vince there he is Matt Van Swal.

52:11You can find him on X. Matt Van Swal. Assuming X is working now. I know it wasn't working this morning. X was down. X was down. X was down. It's crazy. Anyway, thank you to Matt. He's really great. Speaking of the thinking of the left, there's a story that I want to explore with you. I'm reading and I was cracking up. This comes to us from NPR, which apparently is still around national public radio or as my friend chris plant calls it national panhandler radio for years they were taking your money give us money please and here's what they say today more liberals and people of color and lgbtq americans say they're buying guns out of fear they're buying guns out of fear now i love when the left writes headlines like this i love it because i think it's the funniest thing so for years you and I any any of the people who actually believe in the Second Amendment for its original intent what it's about we've we've said forever that the purpose of the Second Amendment is to be a ball work against tyranny that an armed populace is a good and important way to prevent the tyrannical behaviors of government and it's also a great way to defend your family when seconds count the police are minutes away it's also a great way to ensure our country's national security.

53:32Any foreign force that would think of invading the United States of America would have to factor into its war gaming that Americans own over 600 million private firearms. You might want to consider that before you invade us. It's great. And now the left is doing something that it does every so often. But usually when Donald Trump is president, they're flirting with, well, lefties now think it's time to buy guns. and they pretend like you're going to get mad that people of various skin colors are purchasing guns too, which is really funny. Oh, yeah? Conservatives, you like your guns? Well, guess what?

54:10People of color are now buying guns. Well, first of all, you idiots, people of color are, by and large, even more with each passing day, conservatives. In fact, black voters are moving in the direction of the Republican Party, which is great news, returning home to the Republican Party, which is great news. But the way the left writes about it, they have these very flat assumptions about literally everything. They're bigoted assumptions. And they think that conservatives would be upset that, quote, people of color are buying guns. No, not upset about that at all, actually. In fact, I find that usually when I go to gun shows, that's one of the most diverse rooms I've ever stood in and just in terms of just looking around and seeing the the the colors of humanity around me.

54:57Everybody's buying guns and it's wonderful. I love that because it turns out especially legal gun owners are people who care about doing things the right way and getting the guns and knowing how to use them. If you're a concealed carry permit holder, chances are your state requires you to go through hours of training and discipline on when to actually draw your weapon and cautioning you against drawing it at an unnecessary moment. All of these things. In fact, I love to see more Americans understand how to both own and use firearms with each passing day. It's a great thing. And so the left is trying to fear monger about this, acting as if the right is going to be offended by it.

55:34Not offended. I love it. And they say that lefties are now buying guns because they're concerned about the Trump administration becoming tyrannical, which is hilarious for a million reasons. One is that it's not Trump is not the tyrant. Trump is the remedy to tyranny. We elected Trump in no small part because the government had become tyrannical under the control of the left and deep state. And in fact, the reason we keep demanding accountability on this show to include all sorts of arrests, prosecutions and convictions and sentences is because we want accountability for the tyrants who've misused their power against the American people.

56:15We desire law and order, not tyranny. We desire constitutional government, not out of control, unconstitutional government. And yet the NPR is insisting that, oh, people are scared of the Trump administration. So they're buying guns now, to which I say, fantastic. I think this is wonderful. It's hilarious that they're arriving at this conclusion because they have no idea what's actually going on. They have no idea that President Trump has been faithful to the law and the Constitution. But if they're ingesting this concept, the correct concept, that the Second Amendment is designed to be a bulwark against tyranny and that they're entitled, if they're an American citizen, to engage in that Second Amendment right, the more the merrier.

57:04This should end the stupid debates that the left tries to foist upon you, They need to make your guns less safe. They need to take away the devices and the accessories that make your guns accurate, that they need to somehow limit the capacity of your magazines, that they get to tell you what guns you're allowed to own, that they have to take the AR-15 out of your hands because what the single most popular rifle in the country needs to be taken away from the American people. This is the arguments that they've had for years. Now, all of a sudden, they're saying, well, lefties feel like it's really important to get armed just in case the government becomes tyrannical.

57:44even if you are arriving at this conclusion with a demented series of of logic if you can even call it that a demented like a pattern of logic i'm still okay with people realizing what the second amendment is for i'm happy with that now do we have to break people of the spell of misinformation that they're being served by the legacy media? Absolutely. But at the end of this, what we really need to do fundamentally is we need to restore appreciation for our nation's constitution. We need to restore national cohesion. And we need to restore all of the things that make America great. All of it. A country by and for Americans.

58:33That's what this is about. And we're going to keep fighting for it every day here on this program. I am with you on the big national radio show today. The Vince show. The Vince show. And, oh, sorry. People are talking to me about the desk pounding. I was pounding earlier. Sorry, I pound and people hear it through the microphone. Did you hear that at all, Isaac? No, Isaac says he didn't hear it, but some people heard it. It's obviously getting out there. And then somebody said, do the Bongino desk pound. I love America. There you go. Sorry for the desk pound. I know that came through. The Vince show.

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