SPECIAL: Demonologist Rick Hansen - Nightly Scroll w/ Hayley Caronia

19:34Hayley Caronia:Yeah, it's a long story. A lot of detail in the book, but it's a pretty... I love this part of the story because it shows God's ultimate power, no matter what's going on. So my dad did know that in order to really like dive into the epicenter of Satan's power, he had to have my mom out of his life because she was the last stand. She was the last representation of Jesus in the home of Christ on the cross. I mean, she was it. So she had to go. And so he was always trying to force her out, I think, in his head because he just became really gruff and very aggressive and verbal. but uh one one day it was a sunday she was going to church um and he said yeah just go just leave um and he wanted to have that day be the break and so what he did is he started to he got in a trance again this is going to sound weird but this is what happened he got in a trance and started to materialize a spirit that very much looked like the blue lady so that when she came home and saw because it was such a physical manifestation of something real.

20:49Hayley Caronia:The spirit looked like a person. When she came home from church to see this, she'd be like, okay, that's enough. I'm done. I'm out. Well, while he was in this trance, she called from church and the phone call broke the trance. And she said, look, I want to go to lunch with my friends. Is that okay? And of course he got furious because he thought this would be the break. Slammed the phone down, yelled at her, slammed the phone down, took the Bible that she always placed by his bed stand and slammed it against the wall and started to curse and yell at God.

21:23Rick Hansen:Wow.

21:24Hayley Caronia:And the vehemence, the hatred, he said, that came from him towards the person of Jesus specifically was almost overwhelming. And he was in a rage. And he said, in a moment, in an instant, he felt something come in the room. And he said he recognized the peace and the power that came in the room because it's the same peace that he felt when he was a kid when he accepted Jesus and he knew that it was God and he said what do you want God and God simply said I want you back and he's like you know it was that moment where he's like well I don't I don't know what to do I this this is weird I don't you know so fast forward as he was wrestling with that he picked up the Bible that he'd thrown against the wall that my mom had always put on the bed stand and just started reading psalms and proverbs and he read all the way through psalms and all the way through proverbs but while reading psalms which is what i love my dad was um always hungry after god but he went through a bunch of church splits and saw a lot of hypocrisy of other christians and really started looking at man and then god so man's actions became his stumbling block you know the hypocrisy that so many people get stuck on rightly so you say you're a christian but you do this and you're a church and this is how you act so he was very disillusioned by that and also the spirits use that to feed his um desire for the supernatural like see this is church this is god this is a joke they're jokes um but when he was reading psalms for the first time he saw david honestly be a human and say, God, I'm frustrated with you.

23:09Hayley Caronia:Where are you in this? Why aren't you here? But every Psalm would end with, but yet God, I will praise you. Yet God, I love you. And so he saw a person wrestle with God out loud in prayer, but I'll always come back to you, but God, I trust you. And he realized that he'd always gone through man to see what God was about. When he was reading Psalms and then in Proverbs, which is all the wisdom of God, he started to see God in a life that he hadn't seen in before on a very personal level. And that started the transformation. Wow.

23:41Rick Hansen:So was your dad possessed by a demon at this time?

23:46Hayley Caronia:Twelve.

23:47Rick Hansen:Twelve. So then how did he become delivered of those demons?

23:53Hayley Caronia:This is the other part of the crazy story, the transformation. So that afternoon, when my mom came home from church. He met her at the door and she was always used to him meeting at the door, either like in a rage or in anger or yelling at something. But he met her at the door and said, something happened with me and God today. And I don't know what's going to happen this evening, but I'm going to need your help and I need you to pray. And she thought, I wonder if this is sincere is this is this really the man that i once married and knew and he said i don't know what's going to happen but um i need you to pray later that night they were they were in bed and he could feel um he said he felt a horrible pain in his in his stomach um kind of like i mean like an acid i guess burning your gut but he felt it was so overwhelming and so bad he's like, God, either heal me from this or take me because I can't handle the pain.

24:56Hayley Caronia:And that's when he felt God say, I need you to call these spirits out of your body and be rid of the demons. He said, well, God, I don't know how to do that. I've never done that. Do I need to call an exorcist? And he heard, felt God say, I am the exorcist. Call on me. So he said, okay, God, tell me what to do. And he said, I want you to name the spirits. And he said, how do I name the spirits? I don't know what the spirits are. And then God said, I will bring them to you. And slowly, one by one, he brought up the names of the spirit, like fear, anger, lust, rage, et cetera, et cetera. And one by one, he named that spirit.

25:45Hayley Caronia:Let's say it's fear. and he remembered from growing up some missionaries that he had seen at church and had come to his house to visit talked about in prayer if you use the name of jesus it invokes a power over the spiritual so he so he prayed he said in the name of the blood of jesus christ i rebuke you spirit of fear and he said when he said that that pain in his stomach that he was talking about he said I call you out in the name of the blood of Jesus Christ. He said he felt that pain go from his stomach up to his chest, to his throat, and out of his mouth, like knives being ripped from his insides.

26:23Hayley Caronia:And that happened 12 times. And every different name of the spirit was a spirit. So he was expelled from 12 demons. And that's what started him on the trajectory later in life to help other people be freed because he knew how to do it because God helped him do it to himself. That's where he started to learn.

26:46Rick Hansen:So then when did your dad start doing this and helping other people? How did people know that your dad knew how to do this?

26:54Hayley Caronia:Yeah. This is way before social media, way before the internet. So there's no hashtag or at Dave Hanson. We didn't hang a shingle at the front door that said exorcisms here. But other people did start to hear a story at our church, some of our friends. And so like he'd be asked to come to speak at a church or a Bible study or a youth group. And literally the story, because it was so wild and there's so much more to tell, got out and people would spread the news, I guess, about this guy and they call him the guy who deals with demons. And so he started to get phone calls. Hey, are you the guy that deals with demons?

27:38Hayley Caronia:I think I have something in me. I need some help. Sometimes they'd show up at our front door and say, hey, are you the guy who deals with demons? I need help. And so it just started to happen by word of mouth. Someone who knew someone who knew someone who knew someone who knew about my dad would say, hey, I've got this guy. You should call him. Hey, you're struggling with this thing I think you should call him. So he'd come home from teaching junior hires all day. And for the first, you know, probably 10 or 20 years, my mom and I would have to stand in line for his attention because he was so busy every day after school dealing with people either on the phone or in our living room.

28:17Hayley Caronia:And that's why I said back to the start of my story growing up, what I remember about my dad is God using him to free person after person after person from demons. Whether we would hear the scream of someone in the back room as a demon was released, whether it was in the living room where we watched it happen, but it was over and over and over again. So that experience, seeing the power of God wrestle demons and pull them out of people, made scripture for me so much more real because I saw God's victory on the cross be evidenced as people were freed again and again and again and again.

28:59Rick Hansen:It's an incredible testimony. And so how old were you at this point when your dad was doing this sort of as like a side hustle, if you will? And when did you start, did you ever witness him doing this in the house? You said that he was doing it kind of in the back room, but like when was the first exorcism that you remember seeing?

29:22Hayley Caronia:Yeah, so the funny thing is, is it's, and this sounds, again, I keep saying it sounds weird, but it wasn't.

29:27Rick Hansen:Well, this whole thing is going to sound weird to most people, but that's okay. So I don't ever like remember the first one because it was always so common.

29:39Hayley Caronia:I mean, I was young. I would say it probably started when I was three or four. So obviously I'm not going to remember that far back. But all I know growing up is people coming to our house and doing that. Like I will say, I think the first one that really freaked me out, and again, it happened so much, I was never really afraid because it was very common, but one that did stand out, I was probably 14 or 15 years old, I think 15, giving my permit. And my dad said, hey, I've got a heavy one, I think. And would you like to come and pray with me and be a part of it? And again, I had been a part of him in the home, in the living room.

30:21Hayley Caronia:I prayed with him. But this one, it was different. It was a pastor, actually, who had been filled with a bunch of spirits through actions of his own. and someone, again, who had heard of my dad, they'd called churches from Los Angeles approximately all the way down or to where we were going to church asking for help. And she couldn't find any church that would be willing to meet and help with this guy who was messed up. So we get there to an apartment. Guy was big to begin with as far as tall, just tall, broad shoulders. Big dude. And there's a lot to tell in the story, but I'll fast forward. We were sitting down and the first demon started to manifest in him.

31:15Hayley Caronia:And I saw it start to come. Again, when I say that, I mean, I can see physically when things start to change in the person, because when a person is being freed from the spirits, like you opened up with this, like in Hollywood, laws of nature do bend in exorcisms. I mean, people's faces change. Sometimes bodies grow. Sometimes bodies will shrink. They'll get down on the ground, act like a dog, all kinds of crazy stuff. But you can see it start to boil. And this one particularly, it was a spirit of rage initially. And the spear started to manifest. And all of a sudden, he shot up like he was sitting on the edge of his bed.

31:55Hayley Caronia:My dad was in a chair and I was in a chair. And so we were facing him as he was sitting on the edge of the bed. and he jumped up out of the edge of the bed. He ripped like a clock out of the wall and a lamp and held it over my dad's head like he was going to crush my dad. I mean, crush his head. Of course, I'm 14 or 15 watching this guy who's big to begin with holding this stuff over my dad's head, knowing exactly what the intent was, freaking out. And I felt God just say, just pray. I'm here. So I prayed. I watched my dad. he was very calm because he's been through this so many times very calm and he knew that god would not allow anything that god won't allow that just that's just the rule um and uh and the guy took the lamp and the clock and just as he was about to throw it at my dad threw it against the sidewall and the lamp shattered and the clock shattered so it was physically intense and um sat back down his breathing calmed.

32:54Hayley Caronia:And then later in the same deliverance, he shot up out of the bed again, walked around the other side, and his breathing was just accelerating, real deep, real long, real loud. And he put his hands on either side of a chest of drawers that were by the window. And as his breathing accelerated, his body started to expand. And I mean, like it grew,

33:20Rick Hansen:It grew in height and it grew in width, kind of like the Incredible Hulk, you know, like in Marvel, not that extreme.

33:26Hayley Caronia:But he was physically changing in front of me in size and stature. And so, you know, I knew that spirit was enraged because we were there to free him. And let me back up to like these exorcisms, the person has to want to be freed. It's not like we can just walk into someone's room who someone thinks might have some spirits.

33:48Rick Hansen:Right.

33:48Hayley Caronia:And we have any authority because we don't. My dad and I don't. It's all through Jesus and only through Jesus that we have that authority to cast out the spirits because of him through us. So back to the guy. He was holding this chest of drawers, expanding in height. I really felt the intensity of evil. Obviously, I was physically scared because it was a physical manifestation. But then I looked, there was a window off to the side that I looked out the window. And I saw this, I didn't see eyes, but I saw this heavy, heavy, dark, ominous form just hovering outside the window, staring at us. And I felt in my skin and my soul, this rage and hatred towards my dad and I specifically, because we were, God is using us to help this guy be free.

34:42Hayley Caronia:And just as he started to lift up this chest of drawers and we were praying, my dad was praying, I was praying quietly. The spirit calmed back down because my dad was saying, in the name of the blood of Jesus Christ, I rebuke you. Put it back down. His breathing calmed. His body came back to size, came and sat down in the bed. And then he was freed from a bunch of demons. Again, I'm fast forwarding the story. That's probably three, four hours of time. There are multiple like hardcore manifestations like that of the spirit. And that's the one I think that shook me the most as a kid because it was such a physical experience and change.

35:26Hayley Caronia:And I really felt fear. But I watched my dad the whole time, obviously, because he's my dad. He's always, he is still, he's my hero. I mean, I've watched him. We're super close. I'm just so amazed by what God does through him and with him and his willingness to do it over and over, you know, over four decades. He's been doing this. But I watched him and he was at utter peace and calm. Later, we talked about it in the car. And he said that was the first time that he was scared because he was scared for me with him in the room.

36:02Rick Hansen:Yeah, I feel like most exorcists probably it's this isn't like a bring your kid to work day kind of a job. It's not like an accountant or something where you could just sit and, you know, you're sitting at the desk and you're playing with scissors or something. This is really dangerous. When you were talking about this person physically manifesting larger, growing, when the demon is released from them or these spirits are released from them, do they need medical attention after? I mean, it seems like if your body grows or shrinks, you might have cuts or you might have at least muscle. I mean, I pull a muscle just getting out of bed in the morning.

36:46Rick Hansen:I can't imagine something like this. And so if that's the case, how is that treated? Do you go to a hospital and just say, you know, I fell down the stairs?

36:56Hayley Caronia:That's a great question. Actually, I've never been asked that before. After every time we've dealt with someone, they have not had an injury that we know of. They are physically exhausted, spiritually exhausted. But we've never seen in an exorcism where someone gets hurt or calls us back after or just says, man, my back is really sore. What happened? And yeah, we saw a monster come out of your back. And, you know, it's never been, they've never said, you know, a week or two later or a day later, hey, I'm hurt.

37:29Rick Hansen:Yeah.

37:30Hayley Caronia:You know, and I don't, you know, I'm not sure how that works, but I've seen enough of them. Now, I do know sometimes that, you know, there are stories where they will, like the demons will, you know, like will claw you. Not ones in you, but sometimes ones outside of you. Like we've dealt with people where we've seen bite marks on their arms or we've seen scratches on their arms or on their shoulders. Or they'll talk about a demon that will jump on their chest at night or in the day sometimes. They can't move and they can't breathe and their chest is sore the next day. We've heard a lot of those.

38:06Hayley Caronia:But the exorcisms that we have done, my dad has done, have never experienced an injury, I guess you could say.

38:14Rick Hansen:When you were talking about feeling that anger in the room, did you ever experience anything like a temperature drop or the smell of sulfur in the presence of a demonic entity? Because these are things, you know, I'm a Christian and I like Halloween and I'm a Christian and I watch scary movies. I know, I'm not supposed to. But these are the things that Hollywood tells us. Is there any truth to that?

38:35Hayley Caronia:Yeah, so my dad did deal with someone one time. He was a professor, like university professor. And he, again, heard about my dad through someone of someone of someone. And he was expelled from several demons. And again, like I said, at the back of the house, when I was young, everything was done in the living room, because that's all that we had. But the exorcisms were happening so much that his mom and dad helped to build kind of an office in the back of the den because they knew they needed to get this out of in front of me all the time, essentially. And so this one was done in that in that back room, you know, and we walked back afterwards to see how it went.

39:17Hayley Caronia:And the stench that was in the room was horrendous and it smelled like sulfur. and so we've you know that was the one time that i was literally overwhelmed by the smell like i like i've smelt it before like in bits when someone will come in or the demon starts to manifest but that was the first one that i just permeated the room but the guy was completely freed from like from spirits um and what's the other part you asked sorry i forgot like the sulfur and yeah sulfur and a temperature drop oh yeah yeah so um back to my dad's story when he he was being expelled from the 12 demons. My mom was in bed again, just freaking out, but praying.

39:59Hayley Caronia:The more intense the battle got, the colder the house became. And my mom would get up out of bed, crank up the heat, and the house would get even colder. And when he was in the throes of Satanism himself, like in the summer, when he closed the door and closed the shades and just started to worship, the house would get icy, icy cold, he said, every single time. And he was really, really into it.

40:23Rick Hansen:Wow. So I'm Catholic. And maybe this is, again, like a pop culture thing. But to me, it always seemed like exorcisms were synonymous with the Catholic Church.

40:36Hayley Caronia:Right.

40:37Rick Hansen:But I also watched the Conjuring movie series. And that kind of centers around Ed and Lorraine Warren. And Ed Warren was the first exorcist I had ever heard of that was recognized by the Catholic Church. He wasn't a priest, but he was able to do that. So this is a misconception. You don't need to be a priest to be an exorcist.

41:02Hayley Caronia:That's a fine line right there. It's a really good question. I mean, the Catholic Church is very studied in exorcisms. I mean, they go through extensive schooling and training and they have kind of you know they're an understudy to a mentor and individuals are picked for that it's very specific all i can speak to in our experience it was it was different my dad was a student because he was in it he was possessed and he worshipped satan for those two years and then god brought him out of it and god taught him how to do an exorcism on himself by calling on God. There's a lot of people that get, you know, it's a fascinating topic.

41:47Hayley Caronia:And I've gotten, you know, after some of these podcasts, I get an email or, you know, people will talk to my dad, man, this is awesome. I want to be an exorcist. This is crazy. God, you know, I'm like, whoa, this is, you know, this is not something that people should tamper with. And so when I tell this story, there is a lot of like, um, supernatural and fascinating topics and I'm fascinated by them myself, but I know that, um, God called my dad specifically to this and he's been, you know, trained technically over, you know, four decades of performing exorcisms, but it is not to be trifled with.

42:29Hayley Caronia:Um, and if I could tell just, like I think you had a question but let me let me pause there because there's no so I didn't want to bring this in my home I've married with three girls I didn't want to tell them my story for years because of what I experienced as a kid you know it's heavy it's dark you know my home a lot of the times would have people walking up and I mean spirits walking up and down the hallways at night that I would hear there'd be voices in the kitchen that would be having conversations. There would be, you know, doors opening and closing. There would be scratches on the wall.

43:06Hayley Caronia:There'd be, you know, microwaves starting and stopping. So there was this constant realization of the spirits who'd come to our house.

43:14Rick Hansen:Were you afraid?

43:16Hayley Caronia:I was. You know, there were moments where I were, you know, like, man, either I'm really tired of this or what's going on. But I knew it was the spirits because what they would do often is when my dad was either speaking at a Bible study or at a church or helping someone be freed from a demon, they would come and attack me at the house, knowing that if they're losing there, maybe they can come and attack me at home and cause other damage.

43:46Rick Hansen:Wow. So you didn't want to bring that home to your family, of course. Correct.

43:50Hayley Caronia:Yeah. So I didn't want my girls to know the story. I didn't want to really focus on it. And I really struggled with, you know, once I got in corporate life and, you know, looking for like the next level up in the ladder on title and money and pay, it's like I couldn't marry my radical story, the upbringing that I had and knew of this intense battle of dark and life, dark and light to how does that work with me at work? Like, I can't really go, hey, hey, I see dead people. Can we talk? It's not like... So I didn't see the relevance for me. Not that I ever didn't think it wasn't true, but I couldn't fit what I knew into my corporate life.

44:32Hayley Caronia:And I didn't want to bring it into my home because I didn't want it to impact my kids adversely. But a few years ago, my daughter went away to college and she was really starting to discover her own faith, my oldest daughter. and I wanted her to understand the heritage of faith that she did come from and that the battle is real and that my dad is being used by God still to do some pretty amazing things for the kingdom. I said, hey, I want to tell you a story at some point about your grandpa, about my dad and about what I know. She's like, well, okay, great. Tell me the story. I'm like, well, not yet.

45:10Hayley Caronia:And so, you know, finally she's like, dad, are you going to tell me the story? So I told her the story, high level. She got enthralled with the story, totally fascinating. My middle daughter did as well. And so I started to talk to them more about that. And then that's when my oldest daughter, who was involved with ICOTP USA and was following Alex Clark, her podcast said, Dad, you've got to be on this podcast. I'm like, whoa, that's really going to open up everything.

45:41Rick Hansen:And now you're on a bunch of podcasts talking about it.

45:44Hayley Caronia:Exactly. So, yeah, so it's something that I don't deny. Now it's an absolute. It has a place in my life for sure. Now I know that I'm called to do it, but it took a long time to realize, okay, God, I know it's real, but what do you want with that from me? Yeah.

46:04Rick Hansen:Yeah.

46:05Hayley Caronia:So.

46:06Rick Hansen:Well, you're definitely making a lot of people aware of the demonic, but also the power of good. And I think the more people who know about the power of prayer and the power of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, the better. So I think the more podcasts you can do, I mean, say yes, because this is important. But you brought up Turning Point USA, and I don't have too much time here left. but I did want to get your take on, you know, Charlie Kirk's assassination. And it seems like our society is so demonic, whether it's that political assassination or it's church shootings or school shootings or, you know, any other kind of crime.

46:51Rick Hansen:But then it's also the reaction to a horrific death like Charlie's, where people are now mocking the assassination just out in the open. I mean, they're mocking the, they're, you know, gesturing like a gun in a neck and things like that. And it just seems like our society is so demonic. And I don't want to necessarily call these people evil, but I feel like there are evil forces at work in some of these people. on.

47:22Hayley Caronia:Yeah, I think one of the things that one of the reasons why I want to talk about this more now than ever have is I feel like the escalation of evil in the last probably five years has risen to a place I hadn't ever seen before. And why I find that fascinating is that a lot of the stuff that you are seeing these, you know, the, you know, someone holding a finger to the neck and saying, pooh, he's dead. You know, that's, that's not someone just being angry. That's a manifestation in my experience, in my belief, and what I've seen in the Bible, of a demon celebrating the death of a Christian, and the death of a voice that spoke for the Lord publicly, again and again and again.

48:05Hayley Caronia:Now, obviously, his platform was through conversation of politics, but he always, I say always, I know that's not always the right word, but he brought back his message to the person of the cross all the time. And he brought a lot of, you know, afterwards, if you saw the response, the positive response of Charlie is how many people started going to the church for the first time or reading their Bible for the first time. And so his impact from a spiritual sense positively was palpable. And I know from my experience that the demonic hates that. And they are furious by the celebration of the cross because that's their ultimate demise and if they can take topics in culture and twist them and make them lies and then make them into policy or conversations they win and that's the manifestation that i've seen again as a kid i saw a lot of what i'm seeing on on the global stage at our house being manifested through exorcisms the evil the darkness the stuff you go, you did what?

49:15Hayley Caronia:And you heard what? And a lot of the stories, obviously circumstances are different, but a lot of the stuff I saw in my home, private growing up where people are freed individually, I'm seeing that evidence of evil on the global stage in the culture. And so this incident with Charlie, I think, is a good, bad example of how deep Satan's gotten within our culture. And a lot of it is, you know, again, because social media spreads it so quick, so fast, and so readily. And you have so many profiles and personalities that I think, and this is my opinion, that Satan can use to spread his message. I mean, it says in Ephesians, we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against the prince and principalities of the air.

50:07Hayley Caronia:And scripture says that Satan is the prince of the air, this earth, this world, he has authority, not all authority, but he does have authority to influence. And I think there's a lot of evidence to where it's coming out on the stage in public. Yeah.

50:24Rick Hansen:And I mean, it's obviously we see this a lot in, you know, pop culture and lyrics or music videos, TV shows, movies, everything. And when we talked about your dad getting these artistic abilities through Satan, now it seems more likely that, you know, because you hear about celebrities selling their soul for fame and money and power, but that seems, you know, more likely now. And that's something that, you know, your family has experienced. Do you think that there are people in Hollywood that are dabbling in the occult in order to gain fame and notoriety? 100%.

51:07Hayley Caronia:100%. I mean, I don't, you know, I don't have the names and the dates and the actual occurrences of what's happening. But I, you know, growing up, my dad, you know, the spirit world is no respecter of gender or economic status or job, but they do like to take people that have more influence over others to use them to drive their influence. And my dad did deal with people in professional sports, in Hollywood, in music that were very close to what you just talked about. And there is an aspect where, just like my dad, my dad did it. And he knew the closer he got to giving things to Satan, the more power he would get.

51:54Hayley Caronia:The one thing he wouldn't give to Satan was me and my mom. But Satan wanted me. And Satan kept asking him, give me your son, give me your wife, and I will give you all the power that you need in this world. So he knew that my dad wanted power, but something in my dad knew that I wasn't and my mom wasn't his to give. That's because we were bought by the blood of Christ. But Satan does want that. And again, if I can just use my dad's story, it's clinical to what you just talked about. And I know that happened with him. And I know he dealt with a lot of people the same way where they would be asked to give their kids or they were kids that were given in occult practices that their parents used to get them filled with power.

52:44Hayley Caronia:So, yes, 100 percent. It's out there. It's all over the place. And there is. I mean, Satan did it with Eve in the garden. God said, don't do this and you'll be really smart. God said, don't take this fruit because you won't die. God said, just don't worry about that. But if you do partake of this, you will get X. You will get Y. You will become more. And that's the lure that Satan gives. You will become more. God says, become the least of these. Then you'll see me. Satan says, no, become the greatest of these and I will give you more. So my dad went through that personally and gave himself for the temptation of power for more.

53:28Hayley Caronia:But Satan wanted more and more. And you hear these stories in Hollywood and in politics in the realms of power where they give things and they make a commitment. And of course, it comes out in the media and they mock it. Oh, no. Yeah, we you know, it's a big skit on SNL or whatever. Actually, they just did a big skit on SNL about that very thing. Um, but I've seen it real. I've seen it happen. I've seen people confess to that stuff in our living room and it's, it's, it's there.

54:01Rick Hansen:You know, now I have more questions, so I'm going to keep you. Um, you, you've seen demons, you've seen angels. Yep. What else exists? Because I'm a little bit of a conspiracy theorist. And when we talk about, you know, celebrities and they're dabbling in the occult, and I think about, you know, child sacrifice and things like that, it all seems like, I mean, we know that angels and demons are real. We know that giants are real. Like some of these things are biblical. Are aliens real? Is Bigfoot real? Are skinwalkers real? Are Are ghosts real? Or do you think people might just be seeing demons manifesting in other ways?

54:49Hayley Caronia:So I'm not an expert in any of that, but I am pretty well versed in the demonic. And I know that they will masquerade as anything to distract us from reality. And what I know is that angels and demons are real, period. and I've seen demons manifest in other things, in forms of other things, in shapes of other things to draw someone in or to make someone afraid. Ghosts, from what I've experienced and what I believe and know, are demons. There's, you know, theory that aliens are, some say it's the government, you know, trying to freak out other people. That's a whole other conspiracy. but you know I've seen demons that look like aliens meaning the demons that I've seen in people or sometimes I see them with my naked eye walking around and a lot of times those demons look like the images that people portray as aliens exactly the plot begins yeah so in my experience, Satan always tries to camouflage what is true into something else.

56:08Hayley Caronia:So he will take our fascination with, you know, are they skinwalkers? Are they, in my experience, they're demons playing to a theme that culture or people want to accelerate, and they use that as an avenue to accelerate the distraction away from the truth. That make sense? Yeah, absolutely. So, yeah, I've seen demons look like stuff you see in horror films. I've seen demons look like aliens that have been drawn in either comics or movies or news feeds. So in my experience, it's just angels and demons. but the demons will become different things to lure you in.

57:00Rick Hansen:And what do angels look like?

57:03Hayley Caronia:They're amazing. I mean, they're really amazing. Radiant, bold, strong, tall. They're back to that experience I told you about with the big guy in the room who grew like the Hulk. When he grew like the Hulk, that was the first time I saw in my mind's eye an angel. And in the moment that I was the most afraid, God showed me a picture of angels lining the road that we drove in on to the apartment complex. And they were about eight to ten feet tall, seven, eight, nine, ten feet tall, standing. Stoic swords were drawn up against their chest, radiant in glory, bright, strong, and calm, very calm. um another time when we were we were in europe and my dad was um speaking to a bunch of churches that i called him over there we were in france and germany and sweden and denmark and he was speaking at this one apartment complex in sweden to a bible study and the word had got out about his testimony so people started to flood the apartment complex and come to listen and there was a heckler in the room that was really trying to disrupt the entire event while my dad was speaking he was asking all kinds of odd type of like questions he was being aggressive and the room was um became super full and i just felt god say rick go outside and pray so i walked again this is probably i was 14 or 15 that in that one experience this is probably I was 17 or 18, I think it was.

58:44Hayley Caronia:And so I walked outside, closed the door. Again, the room was packed. And he said, look to your left. And I looked to my left and I saw the same image of the angels lined all the way down the apartment building. He said, look right. And I saw the same angels lined all the way down the apartment building, protecting what was going on inside, but they were stoic. And then he said, look up. And that's where I saw angels and demons actually fighting in the air with each other. So the angels, you know, I'd seen, I was excited because I'd seen a ton of demons all the time, but I've only seen angels a few times, but they are amazing and they are calming.

59:22Hayley Caronia:And they, if there's a way to describe that seeing them represents the glory and majesty and power of God, such that it calms your spirit. That's what I saw. And that's what I felt, but it was a strength and it was a wonder.

59:38Rick Hansen:Wow. That's incredible. I mean, with the battle between good and evil, my money's on good, right?

59:44Hayley Caronia:So it's very comforting.

59:47Rick Hansen:So like I said earlier, I like Halloween. I like to dress up. I like the candy aspect. I like spooky stories. Is there any way for Christians to celebrate Halloween without letting in darkness? Is there a way to celebrate while still glorifying God. I wore Halloween costumes all week on my show, so am I a lost cause?

1:00:14Hayley Caronia:No, this is very controversial with all the Christians right now, especially there's some people coming out and saying, absolutely not, don't celebrate it, which I completely understand. It is the highest holy day of the satanic church for sure. You know, the streets are decorated in skeletons and blood and gore, you know, fake bodies hanging from trees, tombstones, all kinds of, you know, horrible macabre stuff. What that does in the spirit realm is that it gives a perimeter for the demons to come and be and to exist and to cause havoc. So we can't move out of the neighborhood. We can't run from our neighbors.

1:00:54Hayley Caronia:It's there. but it is it does give them legal space like to operate in almost like a fence I guess you could say yeah so for Christians what you know we do with our kids is a you know again this applies to if you're a believer you know you have to call on the name of Jesus for protection because when you walk out in a neighborhood you're in the realm essentially not that you aren't when you walk out in the real world when you go to work but this day this night is like i said the holy day of the satanic church so what you do is you pray for protection like you always would when you go anywhere but this one you're walking dead into the battle so you have to say lord protect me and watch over my kids.

1:01:48Hayley Caronia:Now, again, some would say the only way to do that is to not participate, but the demons are still there. So our rule is I let the kids dress up and go with their friends, but the costumes cannot be anything evil or dark or villainous, I guess you could say, that would celebrate the dark. They go out with their friends. we watch them closely but we pray with them too and i pray over them and i think um you know i don't want to minimize at all the power that we have in prayer because it is the power that we have for covering and when for example my dad and i go into an exorcism you know we we pray for cover because we're walking into absolute darkness and we're walking into their realm.

1:02:44Hayley Caronia:So all I would say is, again, I'm not an authority on should we or shouldn't we. I just know what I do with my kids and that's I cover them in prayer. I don't let them, you know, dress up in costumes that would celebrate what I know is evil. And then we just kind of, you know, maintain a spiritual wall of protection around us and them. um so i may be wrong other people would say oh how could you do that with all the stuff that you know um i i think because i just i feel like that's every day you know that's every day for us as christians we have to pray for protection we have to pray for guidance we have to pray that the lord would would guide us and steer us towards him and towards his truth and that the satan and that satan wouldn't come in and destroy our hearts and minds so that's what we do so but halloween is great advice.

1:03:36Hayley Caronia:It's a gnarly holiday for sure.

1:03:38Rick Hansen:Yeah, I think it's great advice. I, in the Catholic Church, we look forward to the Reformation. We look forward to All Saints Day. So there's actually some good Christian juju, if you will. But yeah, I think a lot of people can kind of get wrapped into the demonic and all of the bad that's in the world when we know that we can fight that bad with good. So with that said, Rick Hansen, thank you so much for being here. where can people find out more? Where can they buy your book? And where can they follow you?

1:04:10Hayley Caronia:Awesome, thank you. So I've got a website. It's called theblue-lady.com. You can buy my book, The Blue Lady, on Amazon or Barnes & Noble. You can follow me on Instagram as well, which is on my website. But yeah, I mean, those are the best places to find and ask me some questions if you have any.

1:04:31Rick Hansen:Well, this has been extremely enlightening. So I love that we had, you know, in the battle of good and evil, we had a conversation about both, but we ended on a good note. So Rick Hansen, thank you for being here on my Halloween episode of Nightly Scroll.

1:04:46Hayley Caronia:Thanks for having me. It was an honor. It's great to see you.