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24:09Thanks for having me. I appreciate it. I do want to get your reaction to the breaking news this morning because minutes before we started our broadcast today, I see the news out of Qatar, Qatar, whatever you want to call it, that the IDF has confirmed that they just struck Hamas targets. Of course, Hamas's leadership, people know much of them live in Qatar, just struck Hamas leadership, killing who the media describe as Hamas's top negotiator in these hostage negotiations. What are we to make of this strike? What does it tell us about the state of this war? Well, I mean, I think what it says is that Hamas turned down the president's proposals.

24:47The president put forward a very clear proposal, which was that all hostages ought to be released. And then the United States would effectively guarantee an honest negotiation going forward about disarming Hamas and moving into the next stage of rebuilding in the Gaza a strip. Hamas had announced hours ago, actually, that they had rejected that deal. And the president of the United States said pretty clearly there will be consequences if that happens. Now, Israel says that they initiated this operation by themselves, that it was that they will take full responsibility for the operation. I find it very difficult to believe that Israel would have done this without the Trump administration knowing in some way that something like this was coming.

25:21And the fact of the matter is that Qatar has never been an honest broker in these negotiations from the very outset, the idea that Qatar, which has acted effectively as a tool of Iran throughout a number of these negotiations, has directly funneled billions of dollars to Hamas, like directly funneled billions of dollars to Hamas that houses Hamas's top officials. I mean, remember that it was actually when Israel struck Ismail Hainiyah in Iran, that he was vacationing, essentially. He was on a trip from Qatar. So Qatar has been hosting people at the Four Seasons in Qatar for years, Israel basically said, listen, we are at the end of this negotiation.

25:56Gaza City is imminent. The full scale invasion of Gaza City and takeover of Gaza City is imminent. And so this is sort of the last ditch attempt. If you aren't going to negotiate, then this is the final stage of the war. And the final stage of the war means that if you are a top member of Hamas and you refuse to turn over hostages, disarm, go into exile, turn over the Gaza Strip to a non-terrorist force, well, then you're not going to be immune just because you're sitting in Qatar while you're doing it. It definitely conveys there's no safe haven for Hamas leadership. Do you do you think that this will induce Hamas into doing anything?

26:27I mean, killing their leadership like this and saying, hey, you're not safe anywhere you go. Will the hostages be released? Is that possible? I mean, I think that that question remains open. I don't think that Hamas has an interest ever in releasing the hostages because the minute the hostages are released, basically, that's their last bargaining chip. And they know that that their time is marked. So do I think that this is intended to get Hamas to release the hostages? Not particularly. I think that it was intended to convey to Hamas that either you're going to release the hostages or your entire top leadership will die.

26:56And then it's up to you what you do next, because obviously every other attempt to wheedle, bargain and come up with some sort of negotiated settlement with Hamas has been unsuccessful. So at the end, if it's a war, it's a war and the terrorist leaders are going to die. OK, let's move back. Let's move back home, obviously, processing some of that breaking news this morning. In Charlotte, North Carolina, this past week, we get video footage of a horrific August 22nd murder where a 14-time arrested schizophrenic violent person gets onto a train behind a Ukrainian refugee in Charlotte and then just stabs her right in the neck, executes her in cold blood.

27:33That video shocking the conscience of decent people across our country, but decent doesn't include the legacy media. They've ignored this. And to the extent that they've covered it at all, they've treated it as a Republicans pounce story. What do you think the lessons are, the big lessons from this event and where we should go from here? Well, I mean, I think there are multiple big lessons. Number one is we do not actually have an overpolicing crisis in the United States. We have an underpolicing crisis in the United States. And we have an underprosecuting crisis in the United States where we release people onto the streets who are clearly dangerous to themselves and others.

28:05people who are schizophrenic, mentally ill, violent, with long criminal histories, with gigantic rap sheets. And that needs to stop. And when the president of the United States says that, and Democrats somehow take the other side of that argument, that is not only a political loser, that is a moral loser. Two is the racial angle to this, which really has less to do with race and more to do with the legacy media's take on race. So the reality is that I don't think you're going to find a lot of Americans who are making the claim that because the perpetrator in this case was black and the victim was white, that what this really all is about is innate racial characteristics.

28:39Only true racists believe that. What people do believe is that the legacy media is covering this up because the legacy media is afraid that if they mention that violent crime rates in the black community are higher than violent crime rates in the white community or that interracial crime, black on white per capita is significantly more common than white on black crime, then the legacy media is afraid that will debunk their entire narrative about the world, which is of course that America is systemically racist and that black people are inherently the victims of that systemic racism. And I think people are done with that.

29:06I think the American people are tired of this. They're tired of the media pretending that crimes don't exist when the racial characteristics don't fit their narrative. And they're tired of ignoring baseline realities, which is that violent crime rates, black on white are significantly higher than violent crime rates the other way around. And that's not because of race. That's because of a bunch of other factors that contribute. And so I think it's probably a combination of a couple of things. One of them is that they're suppressing the news around this and lying by omission, of course. But the other piece is like maybe the media thinks that it's so commonplace to have a black assailant hurt a white victim that they treat it like some sort of dog bites man story that they just ignore it entirely.

29:44Oh, it's not that crazy because it happens all the time. Either one is a is a disastrous conclusion because it's the media either accepting this rampant violence or suppressing it in order to advance a racial agenda. Yeah. And I really do think it's the latter. I do not think that they are just believing that this is so common. We're that what they really believe is that if they accurately cover the race of suspects in crimes, that too many Americans are vulnerable to racism or falling into racism. And so they have to program the American people that they are never to look in terms of race if it's a black assailant and a white victim.

30:18But they're always to look in terms of racism if the races are reversed. Well, to what extent are they just held hostage by their political coalition, too? Because there's this there's this contention that cops are murdering black Americans, unarmed black Americans wantonly across the country. And as you know, and we've all discussed the data, don't support that in any way. But there is this kind of this house of cards that's been built. And the last thing the press wants to be a part of is kicking it over. I think it's exactly right. I mean, if you look at polls of liberal Americans, they believe something on the order of 10 ,000 black people are being killed by the police every single year.

30:53And the answer is unarmed black men killed by the police every year numbers less than 10 across a country of 340 million people, which is pretty astonishing, actually. The narrative is all that matters to the legacy media. And this goes back decades. I mean, we've known this for years, that legacy media will omit the race of suspects if the race does not match up with their priors. They will not report stories like this if the race does not match up. And if it's Daniel Penny, who is putting in a suppression hold and accidentally killing a homeless schizophrenic who's legitimately violently threatening people on in a subway in New York City.

31:25It's a national news story for six months. And all we hear about is the deep and abiding systemic racism of the United States. Yes. So the Daniel Penny story is a story of imposing consequences on the Good Samaritan. And then there's also the element of we are living in a society with increasingly lower trust. So when I watched the video of that awful murder in Charlotte, one of the things I was struck by, in addition to the horror of the killing, is the reaction of the people on the train. People seemed very unlikely to respond. In fact, they didn't want to get involved. They saw a man with a dripping, bloody arm walking past them, ripping off his hoodie, and not one person was asking, are you okay?

32:04What's going on? There was no assessment whatsoever. People tried to just keep their heads down. What is happening? How did we get here? I mean, I think that the crackdown on Good Samaritans is certainly a part of it, but also, we as the American people, we have a right to expect that the police are going to protect us from this sort of things. And so we're just not prepared for it. I mean, if you talk to members of police or members of the military, the thing that they will always tell you is that you can't sort of just react in a crisis. You have to train so that you do react in a crisis. And the American people, I mean, listen, we live in the safest society in the history of the world.

32:35And so the vast majority of us have never had to confront an actual honest to God murder with blood dripping from his knife. And so the sort of instinctive, I'm going to get up and I'm going to do something about it, that may exist in some people, but it doesn't exist in a lot of people. And so you really do have to have somebody like a Daniel Penny who actively was trained in circumstances like that to actually do that. So I can't blame the people on the subway too much for their lack of reaction because they're probably figuring that he's going to stab them next and nobody will do anything about it.

33:03But what that goes to is that if you are going to claim a monopoly on the use of force, which is what the police do, they have the monopoly on legitimate use of force, you have to be there to actually stop the criminals and the criminals have to go away for a very, very long time and not come out again, because otherwise you will have to say to the population, listen, you guys got to train for this possibility. You have to train for the possibility that every time you get on a light rail, that somebody is going to get stabbed and you're going to have to step in. Yeah, and also, by the way, it's another reminder that kids should get off the screens and get out and play a sport, join the military, do something constructive with your life outside of the phone, because you never know what life is going to bring you, including horrific moments like that.

33:40You just have to be conditioned to respond to everything. Let me ask you about your book, Lions and Scavengers. You've sold a bunch of number one New York Times bestselling books. Congratulations on that. Tell me about Lions and Scavengers, the true story of America. What is this about? So essentially the book posits that there is a part of all of us that is a lion and part that's a scavenger. The lion is the part of us that believes that we have a moral duty in the world, that we have to get up in the morning, confront our problems and act. And then there's the scavenger part of us that says that basically all of our problems are the fault of some unspecified shadowy system.

34:11And the only thing left to do is to rip down all of the systems that make America great, prosperous, secure, and free. And it's not just internal to every human being, it's civilizational. So what you see is inside the United States, there are groups of people who are more lion-like, people who actually get up in the morning, they want to innovate and risk take and build families and go to church. And then you have people who see all of those institutions as a threat to them personally, and they get together specifically in order to rip down all those institutions. A good example politically would be Zoran Mamdani in New York, who believes that private property, bad, free minds, bad, equal rule of the law, bad, right?

34:45All these things need to be ripped down because they are creating external victims. And you are seeing across the West, scavengers on the march. And it does explain in the book, really why this bizarre coalition, this melange of people who really don't belong together are all together. The most kind of obvious example being Queers for Palestine, right? I think everybody has been asking themselves, why is there a group called Queers for Palestine? It's bizarre, right? Queers in Palestine get thrown off buildings. That's not a thing. except that the only thing these two groups hold in common, meaning pro-Khamasniks and radical left-wing LGBT plus activists, what they really hold in common is just hatred for the civilization and belief that they are marginalized by the core values of our civilization and that that civilization needs to be torn out root and branch.

35:27And so if lions don't stand up and defend their civilization and say, listen, you're marginal members of the community for a reason because you reject our values, and we are not going to allow you to rip down the institutions and systems of belief that have upheld our country, then we will fall and we'll deserve to fall. How much do you think a belief in God distinguishes these two groups? I think that a belief in God is huge. I don't know that everyone who is a lion has to have a belief in God, but I think that the underlying moral system that lions rely upon is a faith-based system because there is no such thing as a morally absolutist system in the absence of a faith assumption.

36:03You can't be a secular atheist and have a real basis for a moral system that the real is ought problem. If you don't have a higher value system that says, for example, that human beings have innate worth, that human beings have creative power in the universe, that human beings have a free capacity to choose and ought to make choices in a moral direction. Those are all faith contentions that you can't just arrive at by sitting there and logicking it out to yourself. I think that there are a lot of secular humanists who think that they've done that, but they ignore the fact that essentially they're just running off the fumes of biblical values.

36:34Yeah, no, that's a smart point. So this idea of building something and also tearing down other things, tearing down established systems, I find myself, and maybe you feel this way occasionally, that I'm torn a little bit between both worlds. I don't feel like a scavenger. I'm not trying to feed off somebody else's success, but I do feel like there are institutions that deserve a wrecking ball. You know, we lived through COVID and we watched a health establishment absolutely violate civil liberties like crazy without any reasonable predicate except for enhancing government power. And I thought, man, I really want to tear that down.

37:06I hate everything about that. We've watched a justice system that's turned its weapons against people who committed no crimes. They turned their weapons against people singing church hymns outside of abortion mills and parents attending school board meetings. And I thought, man, that's a system I really want to tear down. How do you draw those distinctions? Because it does feel like occasionally these institutions reach levels that you're like, man, you deserve the wrecking ball. Yeah, so I totally agree with this. And I think that that is an evidence-based decision. I think the thing that distinguishes lions from scavengers when it comes to institutions is whether there is good evidence that an institution is so thoroughly corrupt that it's leading to bad consequences.

37:44You can specifically point to the things that institution has done and why that institution is unsavable. And I do think that lions also seek to build replacement institutions or at least find good answers. It's not enough to just wreck the CDC, for example. You actually have to replace the CDC with something that works. It's not enough to just say, well, the DOJ is thoroughly wrecked, and so we just won't have a DOJ. The idea is that you actually have to fix the DOJ. You have to bring in people who are going to uphold those standards, or you have to change the standards so that they actually make sense.

38:13This is the difference that G.K. Chesterton talked about between people who are conservative and people who aren't. I mean, if a non-conservative walks across a field, his famous example goes and sees a fence and doesn't understand why the fence is there, the non-conservative immediately begins uprooting the fence. The conservative looks at the fence, doesn't understand why it's there and says, before I rip up the fence, I need to find out why the fence is here. That doesn't mean the conservative will never rip up the fence. It does mean that the conservative needs to understand why the fence needs to be ripped up and what's going to replace the fence once it's gone.

38:38Yes. Or maybe we'll install a big, beautiful gate, as the president might say. Yeah, no, it's it is it is amazing. And just to watch like kind of all this happening, you know, there are people around us who who consider themselves like accelerationists. Like they've just decided we're giving up on society. It feels like a kind of that's kind of the left's impulse. It's like how much chaos can we possibly induce? And then if people are fighting amongst themselves, then we can be the beneficiary. We can grow power unto ourselves. Oftentimes it's the government. This is like this is the Bernie Sanders school of thought.

39:08This we're on. And Donnie's school of thought that, hey, as long as everybody's miserable, they're going to be looking for external saviors. And that can be me. That's exactly right. When systems completely break down, people look for a great leader to fix everything and to centralize all power and to fix all of their problems. And the truth is that politics cannot fix all of your problems. The best a politician can do in a free country is remove obstacles to your success. A politician cannot make you succeed. And if a politician is making you succeed, there's a good shot he's doing it at somebody else's expense.

39:38And so this is something that the left really is looking at. Unfortunately, I think there's a part of the right, actually, that is doing some of this stuff, too. Replacing things like the argument about the CDC would be that there's a difference between saying, don't trust the experts, which I think is totally true. We should be very skeptical of people who claim that expertise gives them the authority to do whatever they want. But if you replace that with trust the non-experts, that is a completely different proposition. And the answer should be, no, you don't trust the experts and you also don't trust the non-experts.

40:05You don't actually trust anybody. You skeptically approach evidentiary questions and look for good answers. And if you're not doing that, then you are participating in just tearing things down with no replacement. Well, that's right. I mean, that's why every time I hear RFK Jr. talking and he uses the phrase gold standard science, or refer to what they should be doing, I agree enthusiastically. That's exactly what I want. And I want as much transparency as possible as to how they reach those decisions. I don't want the dude with the pentagram outfit running immunology or whatever, and he's the monkeypox czar for Biden.

40:34That's completely crazy. And I love how the media is pretending like he's the arbiter of what is scientific. Exactly. And I also think that when you get rid of M-Pox guy with the BDSM gear, then we probably should not replace him with Hobo George, who has some thoughts on medicine, right? We should replace him with, you know, people like Jay Bhattacharya at NIH and Marty McCary over at FDA. Like we actually have very well-qualified people inside the administration who are rooting what they're doing in gold-plated science. I love it. All right, well, the book is Lions and Scavengers, the author, the man that you're seeing and hearing right here, Ben Shapiro.

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43:35Just dial pound two 50, say the keyword baby. or go to preborn.com slash vince. That's preborn.com slash vince. J.D. Vance stepped up yesterday and somebody asked him about all the sombrero memes. Like, what are you doing? Do you put, posting all these sombrero memes of Hakeem Jeffries? And the vice president said, yeah, and guess what? That's going to continue until morale improves. Cut one, take a look. Here's J.D. Vance, the vice president of the United States. Is it helpful to post pictures of leader Jeffries and the sombrero if you're trying to have good faith talks with him? Oh, I think it's funny.

44:08The president's joking and we're having a good time. You can negotiate in good faith while also poking a little bit of fun at some of the absurdities of the Democrats positions and even poking some fun at the absurdity of the Democrats themselves. I mean, I'll tell Hakeem Jeffries right now, I make the solemn promise to you that if you help us reopen the government, the sombrero memes will stop. And I've talked to the president of the United States about that. i love that i love that yeah just keep it going uh and uh you know when you open the government up then we'll take the sombrero off but until then you're wearing the dunce cap you've got the sombrero until uh until it's all over uh so that's a really fun game and uh good for jd vance the left is so angry about this they're furious they don't have no they have no idea what to do they've been raging for 48 hours about the sombrero memes um the idiot uh governor of California, Gavin Newsom has tried an entry into the meme war.

45:02Have you seen Gavin Newsom's attempt to join the meme war? It's incoherent. It's the most cringeworthy thing you could possibly imagine. Here's Gavin Newsom. Now, feel free to laugh at this. If you think this is funny, give it a laugh. But Gavin Newsom portraying J.D. Vance as some sort of munchkin land, patriot guy. It's not Uncle Sam. I'm not even clear what they're trying to do here, But here's Gavin Newsom and his genius staff. If you're flying today, I hope, of course, you arrive safely and on time. But you may not arrive on time because the TSA and the air traffic controllers are not getting paid today.

45:39Our military is not getting paid today, starting today. And obviously, the longer this drags on, the worse that it is for the American people. I'm going to tell you something right now. If that was funny, J.D. Vance would share it. if that amused us jd vance would share it he'd be he'd be all over it here's what jd vance is not gonna do he's not gonna bitch about it he's not gonna whine he's like how dare you i can't believe what are you doing and the chat's right people are already saying it in the chat the left can't meme yeah the left can't meme they don't have a sense of humor they're humorless skulls so when they try it they don't know what to do so anyway you know keep up keep up the bad work uh gavin Newsom, give it another swing.

46:21That's what we're dealing with. These are the political opponents. They have no idea what they're doing. So that's the that's the latest from the left on that. Another piece from the left right now is like they they really don't know what to do in the midst of this shutdown. They have no idea what talking point they should use. They have no idea how to convince the public that they're on the right side of this thing. They have no idea how to trick you into supporting health care for illegal aliens. So they've resorted to an oldie but a baddie which is everyone is going to die that's right the talking point that everybody is going to die Bernie Sanders and AOC filmed a video together of course they're out there filming social media videos uh and listen to Bernie declare uh you're all going to die take a us 50 000 low-income working-class americans will die every single year all right if you don't have the money to go to a doctor and you're sick you die that's what looking that's what this clean bill is about uh-huh uh-huh that's what the clean bill is about uh 50 000 people are going to die every single year.

47:31Now, remember what they're talking about. What they're saying is, if we pass a seven-week continuing resolution, 50 ,000 people are going to die every year. Now, let's see. I'm going to get the bullshit meter out. Ready? Let's start from truth to bullshit. Ready? Let's see how quickly it gets there. What bullshit? It's like 50 ,000 people. Are you serious? That's a hundred bajillion people are going to die if Donald Trump gets to keep the government open for seven more weeks. That's true. And then AOC. That's true. And AOC is using the same talking point, of course. She was on MSNBC this week and she said, you know what President Trump wants to do by keeping the government open for seven weeks?

48:17He wants kids to die. Cut six. Here's AOC making that talking point. What I'm not going to do is tolerate 4 million uninsured Americans because Donald Trump decided one day that he wants to just make sure that kids are dying because they don't have access to insurance. Everyone's dying. Everyone's dying. And, you know, so it's not just Bernie and AOC. Elizabeth Warren is warbling. like everyone's going to die uh no you know what's dying right now any chance that Democrats will ever appeal to voters again that's the only thing that's dying your political ambitions are dying it's a death by suicide you guys are an idiotic political party and they're wielding the uh the the chicken little talking points you know running around with their heads cut off everybody's gonna die the whole sky is falling okay sure whatever nobody believes you nobody trusts you and that's why the American people are siding with President Trump on this one.

49:17The great Dan Bongino, deputy director of the FBI, has just briefed United States senators and told them that they were being spied on by Jack Smith. Jack Smith tracked the private communications and phone calls of nearly a dozen Republican senators during his supposed January 6th probe, according to the FBI. So Dan, basically What we find out is Dan went over to Capitol Hill yesterday with some urgent information. He needed to tell these United States senators that their phone calls were being intercepted by the Biden administration. They were being spied on. Being spied on. Dan's the perfect guy to do it.

50:00So what was the first book? Gee, it was Spygate, right? So maybe we get a Spygate 2.0. You know, maybe that changes. You know. And I'm going to get to that. Sam H is in the chat. He's saying something about, you know, they've been listening to us for years. Nobody's held accountable. I'm not expecting that to change. And Sam, I get your pessimism. I'm right there with you, buddy. And here's and here's what the the thing to know about the FBI is. The FBI is the Federal Bureau of Investigation. So Dan and Cash and the FBI right now under their leadership, they're doing their jobs. They're doing their jobs.

50:34Their job is to investigate. And if it's somebody who works for them to fire, get rid of, hold accountable, they've done that. They've fired. They have fired hundreds of people at that agency, hundreds of people at that agency. That's their job. Whose job is it to prosecute? Well, that's the broader United States Department of Justice. That's literally the prosecutors at the DOJ. That falls to Pam Bondi. Pam Bondi, who, by the way, has been testifying this morning to the United States Senate. No doubt we'll have clips of that on the big national radio show coming up later today. But on the FBI side of things, they're doing some investigations into what the hell happened in that agency.

51:11And they've been looking in particular at an operation called Arctic Frost, Arctic Frost. And what this what they discovered was that the phone calls of Republican senators, Lindsey Graham, Marsha Blackburn, Ron Johnson, Josh Hawley, Cynthia Loomis, Bill Haggerty, Dan Sullivan, Tommy Tuberville, and then Congressman Mike Kelly of Pennsylvania. one congressman in there as well, all being spied upon by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. This is brand new information. And somebody earlier in the chat said that this is like a combination of this is bigger than Watergate and Whitewater. You could take any number of American political scandals and combine them all.

51:55And this is bigger than all of those. Remember, the CIA at one point was caught spying on the United States Senate on a specific committee in the Senate. And and and they, you know, Brennan lied about this. John Brennan, who was the CIA director at the time, he lied about it to try and cover it up. It eventually came out he was lying. Democrats were on the receiving end of that surveillance as well at the time because it involved authorities for the CIA, funding for the CIA. So the CIA was spying on the Senate in its own self-interest, its own deep state preservation of power. But here what you have is a number of Republicans who are being spied on by the Federal Bureau of Investigation under Jack Smith.

52:41And the point of this is what? What do you think the point of spying on these Republicans is? Well, it's to gather information about them to hurt them. It's as simple as that. They wanted to bring about ways to go after these guys, including through prosecutions. And so listen, if you will, here's Senator Ron Johnson yesterday referring to this appropriately as completely outrageous and laying out the timeline of when these guys were spied on. The timeline matters a great deal because it kind of gives the game away. Here's Ron Johnson cut six yesterday. This is outrageous what has happened. I just want to give you a timeline of this.

53:20I think you've already got the the FBI sheet that shows the number of members of Congress that were targeted. Representative Kelly, Senators Graham, Hagerty, Hawley, Sullivan, Tuberville, myself, Senator Lummis and Blackburn. This memo was dated September of 2023. To put it all into context, the Mar-a-Lago raid occurred in August of 2022. Jack Smith announced the indictments against President Trump in August of 2023. So this is almost two months later. They're casting this net, this fishing expedition against members of the Senate in the House. I've been investigating this with Senator Grassley.

54:06This doesn't surprise me, but it should shock every American. It definitely should. And that timeline, you know, there's going to be a lot that's said about this. You're going to see it all over conservative media, especially, and you should, people who are completely outraged that these senators are being spied on. But I just want to emphasize that timeline he gave to you. It's 2022 when Jack Smith and his team with the FBI are rifling through Melania's underwear drawer at Mar-a-Lago. In 2023, that's when the indictment drops in August against President Trump to try and, of course, just before the election, to stagger his ability to become president again.

54:46But then it's September of 2023 that they seek to spy on these senators after the Trump indictments already out. So after whatever investigating Jack Smith felt like doing into Donald Trump as a predicate to indicting him, then he starts spying on United States senators. Do the math on that to establish that these were legitimate law enforcement actions. Go ahead. Provide. Go ahead, lefties. Go ahead, Jack, wherever the hell you are. provide a justification for why you're spying on members of the United States Senate.

55:20What is that? It certainly sounds to me like it was the beginnings of an operation to try and make their lives a living hell if the left continued to control the levers at the United States Department of Justice. That's what it sounds like to me. So I want to engage you in a thought experiment. Imagine, I know this is horrifying, But imagine if Kamala Harris had become president of the United States. What would our Justice Department look like right now? Who would be being prosecuted right now? Which of these United States senators would be in a world of hurt right now because of the ongoing surveillance and thin pretext politicized tyrannical prosecutions that the left would be conducting right now?

56:10Right now. We already saw what this looked like in practice with Donald Trump. They spied on his campaign. They spied on him. They they created hoax information as a predicate to accuse him of all sorts of awful things, colluding with America's enemies to steal an election. We've seen what they're capable of. Just imagine what kind of mission you just stopped from happening. What I mean by that is every one of these Republican senators have you to thank for stopping further injustices from being carried out against them. You voted for Donald Trump. You voted to give Republicans control of the Senate.

56:53You voted to give Republicans control of the House. Were it not for that fact pattern right now, we would not know about the extent of the surveillance on these United States senators. and they'd be in a world of hurt. They'd be feeling it like the Trump family did for years. So to be clear, a massive scandal. And do you not read anything into this? Dan Bongino himself personally gets this information from the FBI and he hand walks it over to the United States Senate yesterday and then he briefs every one of these senators on the way that the government was abusing them? this is a massive massive story and i can't wait for the day when dan is back in front of a microphone when he can talk about it too and my plan is to to do an interview with him on the subject as well i think i'll have a lot to say well that about wraps it up thanks to the fellows that was a great selection eclipse how what a cool year we had thank you to justin gee andy jasmine paula bongino the whole team man we've got an exciting year in store it's going to be amazing There's a fella called Dan Bongino.

58:02Curious to see what he does very soon. Hmm. Oh my goodness, it's going to be the best. We'll be back with you on our live shows on January 5th. Justin will be tan, rested, and ready. We'll be locked in. We'll be back in the new year. We've got a big year ahead. It'll be great to have you with us. Thanks, as always, to the best audience anywhere.