The Arrests Have Begun | Episode 209

25:12Go sign up there. On February 2nd, we'll be doing this program live every day at 8 a.m. You need to be there with us. Federal prosecutors argued in opening statements here in this Bovino case that the messages did go beyond angry rhetoric or political speech, and they represented a deliberate attempt to solicit violence against a federal law enforcement official. u.s attorney minja shin telling jurors quote this case is not about somebody expressing strong views about immigration enforcement these messages showed intent not joke not a guy not gossip yeah look ten thousand dollars the guy says he wants a specific price for the head of gregory bovino posts a photo of him with the expectation now people the the defense apparently was claiming well he he doesn't have a lot of money in his bank account i don't care how much money he's got in his bank account.

26:03He's putting out hits on the guy. He put in the work to figure out how to put the hit on the guy. And we're going to take that as a joke. Hell no. Lock that guy up. Throw away the key and protect the men and women of law enforcement. How hard is this? Why is it that? So that's a Fox News report. Is this all over the place? Are we seeing this everywhere? Is the media covering this story when Greg Bovino's got a hit out on him? Anything like that? Because what I've noticed is the same sort of power politics you always see in the lunatic left-wing media, which is, oh, this isn't good for Democrats.

26:34We've got a bunch of Democrats who are acting like lunatics right now. So here's what we're going to do. We're going to keep breathing life into it. We're not going to tell them how vile the human beings are that immigration enforcement keeps picking up. We're going to hide the fact that these are rapists and murderers. And simultaneously, we're going to conceal the fact that immigration and customs enforcement, as well as Border Patrol and anybody else, FBI, who's assisting in this immigration enforcement mission, we're just going to keep concealing that they're being assaulted at record rates, that we've seen a rise in assaults on Border Patrol agents, Immigration and Customs Enforcement by 1 ,800%.

27:06We're going to conceal the fact that there's been an 8 ,000 % increase in death threats, including murder-for-hire plots against people like Greg Bovino. We're just going to keep covering up that story, and in the end, hopefully, we can defeat Donald Trump. That's the plan. You people are psychos. This is completely psychotic. Why do we keep calling for the Insurrection Act? We have to restore order to this country. The media aren't going to help us do it. Democrats aren't going to help us do it. We're the ones we've been waiting for. This is the moment. You want to save your country? Save it.

27:38Insurrection Act. Coming up, Jonathan Fahey will join us, former acting ICE director. I want to get his impression about this because he's worked up close and personal with the men and women of ICE. He cares a lot about these people. And they're under constant attack. What do we do about this? I'm going to ask Jonathan in just a moment. Doctors call, let me, sorry, going to our sponsors. I'm all exercised here, but our sponsors are the reason that we can do this program every day. I'm very grateful for them. Brickhouse Nutrition is just such a wonderful sponsor of our program. Wonderful sponsor of our program.

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31:09And we got more footage of it today. For more on all of this, I want to go to a guy who's very familiar with all of this, how it works because he was the acting ICE director. Jonathan Fahey is here. He's an attorney, an academic law enforcement expert. He was the deputy assistant secretary of the United States Department of Homeland Security, and yes, the acting Immigration and Customs Enforcement director. Jonathan, great to have you back with us, sir. Great to be here. Thanks for having me. So I'm seeing more footage now, this time of Border Patrol agents. They're being attacked in the streets.

31:37They can't even stop to use the bathroom. They're being ejected from gas stations, having food thrown at them, being spat upon. And then they have to fight their way out of a small city block as they're surrounded by these terrorists. What are you thinking as you're seeing this, Jonathan? It is so amazing. If you were to think 10 or 15 years ago in this country, if you would ever have a political party that is just openly hostile to law enforcement, it wouldn't even be conceivable. And it really is just an extension of the Democratic Party's anti-law enforcement crusade. And what makes us so cynical, in my view, is we all know why they're doing it, meaning the Democrats.

32:17And they're doing it because they believe illegal immigration will help them electorally. So they do everything they can to defame ICE, to put them in danger. And they're only doing so because they want to keep the illegal aliens that they brought in under Biden here. And then they think it will help them electorally. So everything about what they're doing is so cynical. And they want to portray themselves as being the virtuous ones when, in fact, everything they've done in this whole immigration scheme has been designed to only help them politically and never consider the well-being of American people and certainly the well-being of law enforcement.

32:58And I feel like we're still lucky that something really, really bad hasn't happened. This is it. OK, what you just described is the reason why I want the Insurrection Act invoked. And now I'm going to be really clear about this. I don't say this lightly. I don't I mean, anybody who's watched me through the years or certainly watched me in this iteration of my career. I've never been flippant about calling for for dramatic things like in this case. I've never. And but I am desperate for the Insurrection Act now because I don't know what other recourse we have. It is completely legal to invoke it.

33:28It's been done 30 times in American history by American presidents. It's specifically designed by our founders to restore order when an insurrection is going on. We've got government leaders in Minnesota who are staging this insurrection. Todd Blanche just said that at the Justice Department. And then you've got the street violence that's going on where now ICE is under attack. It's too much. I mean, Jonathan Fahey, do you agree? I mean, is it time? Should we invoke the Insurrection Act to restore order here? You're spot on with this. And I think what makes it even more sort of worthy of being invoked is we don't have we have the elected officials, the leaders in Minnesota and Minneapolis fighting the federal government.

34:06If they were sort of working hand in hand, I could see a scenario where, hey, let's try to do something cooperatively. But, you know, I saw Todd Lyons on Fox News, I think on Sunday, saying because of all that's going on, all the obstruction in Minneapolis, they basically need twice as many agents per arrest because they need agents to protect the agents. So, yeah, it's tailored for this because you have an unlawful obstruction and it's making the enforcement of the immigration laws impractical. So everything about it is warranted. And I think there's something important to be vindicated here, which is federal law as a whole.

34:46The president not only has a responsibility on federal immigration law, but there's a federalism principle that if he just lets a state, local activist or a political party essentially veto whatever federal laws they don't like, which is what they're doing here, then you really you know he he would be not you know living up in his responsibility and not only enforce these laws but to send the message that local officials activists can't just pick and choose what federal laws apply in which cities in which state so yeah it's it's time i think he's been patient and i think if things don't turn around pretty quickly i think it's going to happen i'm telling you though let me let me just state something really clearly if an ice agent gets killed in Minneapolis and President Trump has not yet invoked the Insurrection Act, that is going to cost the president politically.

35:40It will have a real deep and devastating impact on our country. And then all of this midterm conversation that we're having, there are going to be people who are on President Trump's side who are so disheartened by that development that they're going to walk away from voting. I'm just telling you right now, and I'm just saying that as a sociological, just basic political science matter. If an ICE agent gets killed and we haven't even used a tool available to us to prevent it, that is not going to be good for any political ambition whatsoever. And I know the reason I'm even bringing up the politics of this, Jonathan Fahey, is because I am I in my sense is the reason the White House hasn't invoked it is because they're concerned about perhaps having some sort of political consequence in the midterms.

36:24You want political consequences? Let this thing get worse without using the tools in your toolkit. Yeah, and I think they see that. I think President Trump, one of the things that was learned from 2020 was things got out of hand and he let it turn things over and let the states do their thing. And we saw how Minneapolis was a total disaster. And I also think your point is good is like if they do it now, whatever, if there is a negative political repercussion, but then things settle down, that's going to be gone by the midterms anyway. And you're right. Everything is always politics. It's always policy.

37:00And that's where we get our policy from with the politics. So it is important to basically level set here and say, hey, you can protest all you want. You can speak out all you want. But when you get to this world of obstructing and putting people in danger and preventing the law from being enforced, we're in a different world. And that's time for the Insurrection Act. And I think, you know, J.D. Vance is going there today. So it'll be quite interesting to see what he discusses. discusses. But I feel like, you know, when President Trump does this, if he does it, everyone at least will look at it with the eyes of, hey, he was patient on it.

37:37But you're right. We can't wait for something bad to happen and then react. We're at the point now that we know we're on the verge of something really bad happening. And let's cut it off before it does happen. I totally agree with you. So as we start today, Jonathan Faye, we've got news developing this morning that DHS, the FBI, they've begun to make arrests of the people who invaded that church in St. Paul on Sunday. That is wonderful news. As of the beginning of our program this morning, that's two people that have been arrested. But I fully anticipate it'll be a lot more one by one by one. These people who are menacing Christians as they worshiped are now being picked up.

38:17What's your reaction to that development? I'm very happy about it. And, you know, if you look at this, you know, this FACE Act, you know, the Biden administration, you know, would use it with the people outside of abortion clinics. They were doing nothing violently, but they were still using it. So it's totally appropriate here. And one of the things that, you know, makes it, a lot of things make it even worse, but you just think we've had shootings in churches during church services. So a lot of these people that were there were probably terrified. They're there with their children and just there to worship.

38:50And if you were to take this situation and say a bunch of right-wing, say the Proud Boys went into a mosque or went into a black church or went into a synagogue, this would be probably the biggest news story of the year. And everyone would be calling for them to be arrested. And it's only because it's Christians and they happen to be white that the media is not focusing on this. But this is very, very serious. And this is also another important law for the president to the administration to vindicate because people should go to church. And the purpose of the law is, hey, that's something sacred.

39:29And we don't allow people to come in and disrupt it and do all these shenanigans they were doing. Well, the attorney general of the state, Keith Ellison, just said earlier this week that that's kind of expected. That's just the way our democracy works. Like people pour into Christian churches and they menace children. That's fine. What would happen, Jonathan Fahey, if, let's say, you and I were to pour into Keith Ellison's mosque and begin screaming in the face of his imam? What would happen in that scenario? Yeah, everyone would be locked up. It would be the biggest story ever. Every Republican would be paraded on the national shows to apologize and condemn it.

40:04We would have the standard parade of people alternating seats on Meet the Press to say, I condemn it. And then the next one will condemn the person for not condemning it. we're strongly. We've all seen that game. And it's so outrageous. And did you, I don't know if you saw the other Keith Ellison quote, but he doesn't even understand the statute. He said it was exclusively for abortion clinics, when in fact, there's two prongs, there's two paragraphs, it's clear as day. And he doesn't even understand the statute. But yeah, this idea that like, it's something to be expected in church, actually, it's not.

40:39And, and there is, you know, People have free speech, but what's going on in Minnesota has nothing to do with free speech. It has everything to do with obstruction. And if I could, as we close out, and I'm so thankful that you're here, I want to draw on your legal experience to help people understand how this all works. So what ended up happening on Sunday, these people pour into this church, and they menace these Christians, all caught on camera. But there are no federal agents inside of the building as this is occurring. That would be the circumstances, I understand it, where an arrest could be made on the spot Where an arrest, but there's no agent there So what we have is a pile of evidence in front of us So as I understand it, that was Sunday, then Monday's Martin Luther King Day Which means that a lot of the people who would be involved in prosecuting And the court process, the magistrate There's a lot of people on vacation Monday Then we get to Tuesday, right?

41:30So what ends up happening is I understand it You walk me through this, Jonathan You have to basically, as a U.S. attorney, you prepare your evidence Then you present it to a federal magistrate and then you can make these arrests. And what what was the sequence of events that led to this morning? Yeah, that's that's basically exactly right. They probably spent the last few days collecting evidence, interviewing people, reviewing these videotapes. And then what you would do, a federal agent would would sign an affidavit that would say, I swear on their oath that there's probable cause for this offense.

42:01And then list the facts that support the offense they're seeking a charge for. And then a magistrate would evaluate that evidence, the affidavit, and decide whether or not to issue a warrant. So that's what the delay is. And actually, it's probably pretty quick because if you think about it, what's today, Thursday morning. So they probably got the judge issued the warrant yesterday afternoon would be my guess. And they typically will do a rest in the morning because it's safer. So they did this pretty quickly. But my guess is that's what you said is basically spot on. And in fact, it seems like if I've looked at other recent examples, this may actually be way faster than it normally works for federal arrests, because, like, for instance, there was a guy who threatened to kill J.D.

42:44Vance last July at Disneyland. And the Justice Department was just talking about his arrest like a week ago. Like it took that long. And in some cases, Jonathan Faye, does it take what, weeks or months occasionally to actually get that process underway? way? Yeah, it really is dependent on the type of crime, because some crimes take a long time to investigate to find out what's going on. And sometimes they're really short. Say, for example, there's a bank robbery, and you find out who the suspect is, that person will be arrested, taken off the street right away. The one thing that's good about this case, meaning not good with what happened, but probably in terms of evidence-wise, there's a finite amount of evidence, so probably to review what was available and what's out there isn't that hard to sort of figure out what's going on because you have these statements.

43:32I think the woman that made them to Don Lemon beforehand that basically they announced what their intention was to do, which was to obstruct the service. And so I think in many ways, this is you never want to say simple because there could always be complications, but a fairly simple sort of set of facts. And they seem to apply pretty clearly to this statute. OK, good. All right. Jonathan Fahey, thank you. We're big into knowing exactly how these things are supposed to work. And I appreciate you coloring the lines for us today. As always, thank you. And thank you for your service to our country, Jonathan.

44:03Good to talk to you today, sir. Thank you. There he is, Jonathan Fahey, former acting ICE director. He's seen it all firsthand and love relying on his expert perspective here. Okay, so that's the latest on what's going on with the fight in Minneapolis. And again, we'll keep our eye on arrests. I'm refreshing Pam Bondi's ex account. Let's see. Anything else? Anything else? Nope. We got two. We got two to start the morning, so we'll wait for three. But let's go Don Lemon. Maybe Don Lemon will share it on X if he gets access to a phone or something. Maybe he'll use his one phone call to post to X that he's been arrested.

44:40One can hope. Okay, what else do we have for you? We actually have so much going on. Jack Smith is testifying on Capitol Hill today. That's great. Jack Smith being hauled in to testify. Let's get that guy under oath. Let's let's cross examine him about all of his election rigging operations. Additionally, this week, yesterday, we got an interesting, fun development. The Clintons, both Bill and Hillary, are are have now been by the Oversight Committee at the very least. They have voted to hold them in contempt of Congress, in contempt of Congress. That would be a criminal violation of the law, to be clear.

45:22And now that vote goes to the entire Congress and hopefully off to the Justice Department for prosecution, one step at a time, ladies and gentlemen. But here's what we got yesterday. This is Congressman James Comer with the Oversight Committee right after the vote to hold both Bill and Hillary Clinton in contempt. Cut five. Here's James Comer. All right. Well, thank you for being here. Today was a big day for accountability. I'm very proud of the work the Oversight Committee has done thus far on the Epstein investigation. I'm very happy that we had a bipartisan vote today to hold the Clintons in contempt of Congress.

45:59And this shows that no one's above the law. And I'm just real proud of the committee and look forward to hopefully getting the Epstein documents in very quickly and trying to get answers to the American people. With that, I'll be happy to answer any questions. Yeah, so this is a big step. He says historic moment. They're holding both of these guys in contempt. The left's been bitching about it. You can't do this to a former president. Yeah, thanks. Yeah, exactly. You can't. Oh, you I'm sorry. What you can't make a criminal referral for a former president. What did you do to Donald Trump the entire time he was out of office after his first term?

46:35Spare us your whining. The Clintons held in contempt by the Oversight Committee. You heard James Comer say this is related to the Jeffrey Epstein investigation. That makes sense because few people were as close and as friendly and intimate with Jeffrey Epstein as Bill Clinton. Comer said this week that the Clintons had offered him some measly conversation with Bill. They said, OK, here's what's going to happen. You can come to New York and you can meet with only Bill, not Hillary, only Bill. But you can't transcribe anything and it's not going to be under oath. so you want to do that instead comer said no screw you we're gonna actually hold you in contempt because you're supposed to appear before congress we sent you lawful subpoenas you gave us the double barrel middle fingers so now what you get you get contempt proceedings so congratulations to the clintons that's uh that's great that's wonderful yeah so paul one two five three uh it says uh come on vince you know the clintons are above the law that's their white supremacy.

47:37Yes, they're white supremacists. Thank you. Yeah. One more thing. One more thing stacked against them. All right. And then, you know, guys, I'm so I have so many stories I could pick from today and I don't even know which one to do. So let me let me do that. You want to do the Save Act chat? You want to talk about the Save Act? Give me give me a vote on this. Do we want to talk about elections have consequences? Virginia is turning into a hellhole because Democrats are in charge or do we want to talk about the save act and how to secure america's elections give me an answer on this chat kitty says yes we should do that sure go for it says scar who's just kind of laxadaisically involved in today's program yeah i guess so whatever the save act okay all right there we go zest like is it zest like says save act with multiple exclamation points okay Good.

48:28All right. We'll do save act. All right. Here's what's up. You know, right now, it's, you know, to vote on an American election, you're supposed to be an American citizen. That's actually I believe they were referred to that as the law and the Constitution of the United States. In order to vote in our elections, you've got to be an American citizen. OK. And. The crazy thing is there is no requirement to certify that somebody is a citizen. when they register to vote? None. There's no requirement for it. And so the states, many states, don't even bother to check if you're actually an American citizen when you register to vote.

49:10Now, the precondition to voting is being an American citizen. So do the math on that, would you? That is obviously ripe for grotesque fraud in a world where the left has imported people by the tens of millions into our country who shouldn't be here, many of whom have registered to vote via the driver's license, motor voter operations, anything. We need to clean up our election system. President Trump's been trying to do it in the form of the census. He wants to just verify who's a citizen and who's not so that we can apportion representation in the House and in the Electoral College appropriately and legally.

49:46The left continues to try and cover that up entirely because they love rigging elections and they're using human bodies to do it by importing illegal aliens. And then when it comes to voting, you've got to be an American citizen. So the United States House of Representatives has now passed two times a piece of legislation called the Save Act, which would require that when registering people to vote, that states get documentary proof that the new voter is an American citizen. It's very straightforward. These are very straightforward things. You know, this is, you know, you ever try to buy a house?

50:21Forget buying a house. Have you ever tried to rent a house? Do you know how much documentary proof you need to bring with you in order to demonstrate that you're actually going to be able to pay your bills? The whole thing is like, it's like a colonoscopy. But to register to vote, you have no proof whatsoever? Come on. So prove that you're an American citizen. So this thing has passed the House twice. But it hasn't passed the Senate. It has not passed the Senate. Now, why is that? Now, Senate Republicans, insofar as they'll talk about this at all, They'll tell you, well, there's a 60 vote threshold for the filibuster and Democrats keep filibustering it.

50:55So we can't get it across the finish line. Sorry about that. It's just that that pesky old filibuster. And then some Republicans, they'll even dance away from it. They'll say things like, you know, I don't think that the federal government should really be involved in telling people how their election system should operate. Let's just leave that up to the states. The feds should not be involved at all, they will say. In fact, that is precisely the argument that Chuck Grassley just made. Chuck Grassley just made this argument in a constituent services letter when somebody wrote in asking about whether or not he would support the SAVE Act.

51:36And Scott Pressler shared this earlier this week. Check out this letter. It's a letter from Chuck Grassley back to this constituent. And in it, it says, thank you for taking the time to contact me with your concerns regarding election integrity. As your senator, it is important to me that I hear from you. This was sent two days ago, January 20th. This this was dated. And in the letter, it says, I do not believe that Iowa and other states need politicians in Washington, D.C., dictating and controlling how states run their elections. First of all, if you go to the election clause of the Constitution, it says outright that the states are the ones who set up the election system, but that Congress may intervene in order to establish what the rules are.

52:23Well, here's a rule. Verify that the voters are citizens. That's a good rule. So it's entirely constitutional. So dancing away from this as if it's somehow extra constitutional or not appropriate, that's insane. And so why does Chuck Grassley send a letter like this? This letter goes out and instantly everybody's concluding that, hold up, Chuck Grassley is saying he opposes the SAVE Act? I'm sorry, what? That's crazy to me. Why are you opposing the SAVE Act? Then we get this update. Chuck Grassley posts to his ex-account yesterday the following, after he got all the incoming from you and me. He writes this, don't believe everything you read on the internet.

53:02I'm not opposed to the SAVE Act. In fact, I have been fighting alongside Iowa Secretary of State. Is it Pate or Pate? P-A-T-E. Secretary of State, P-A-T-E. To hold Biden admin accountable for their hiding immigration citizenship voter data in 2024 election. Elections must be secure with only citizens voting. Now, I want you to stare at that post for a moment if you're watching on video. He says, I'm not opposed to SAVE Act. What does that mean? I'm not opposed. I didn't ask if you were not opposed. I asked, are you for it? Are you for it? Being not opposed is not enough. What are you, dithering on the question of whether or not only citizens should register to vote?

53:56How about say, yes, I'm enthusiastically for the SAVE Act, and I'm going to move heaven and earth to get it passed because our elections truly matter. And I want to be on the front lines of defending them. How hard is this? Why do we need this kind of Washingtonese? I'm not opposed. Well, then what are you exactly? And this whole thing about the filibuster that I just referenced, 60 votes, 60 votes is what we need. Sorry, we don't have enough. Even that is a lie. For those of you who've been with me for a while, you know that We had Rachel Bovard, a Senate expert, come on this program, and she explained really clearly, we don't even need a rule change in the Senate.

54:34You know that, right? We don't even need a rule change in the Senate right now. Yes, the silent filibuster is an impediment to saving our country at the moment, but it's not completely in the way. If 51 senators showed up to the floor of the United States Senate today, they could pass anything they wanted. You heard me correctly. if 51 human bodies showed up and all voted in the same direction on the floor of the Senate right now, nothing would stop them. Do Democrats have things that they could try and use as barriers? Yeah, they have the speaking filibuster that they could try to employ, and then they would talk until their bodies give out.

55:15But at that moment, that's when 51 Republican senators could actually pass the SAVE Act. The silent filibuster doesn't get in the way of that. We just need people to actually do their jobs. Chip Roy, who is the sponsor of the Save Act, God bless him for it, Texas Congressman Chip Roy. He explained that this week to the Blaze. Watch this. Cut six. Here's Chip Roy saying, just get them into the Senate. Look, you alluded to it, the Save Act. You heard the president say we must get it signed into law. You've heard Elon Musk championing the Save Act. You've heard virtually every Republican talking about the Save Act.

55:51I drafted that bill in the middle of the president's election in 24 because I was worried about what we needed to do. We passed it out of the House. Chuck Schumer jammed it up and we need to move it through the Senate. And we can do that. Mike Lee has been very good going out and talking about this issue. I've leaned into this issue. We can force the Senate to have to talk if they want to shut the Senate down. In other words, right now they say, oh, the threshold 60. That's not true. If you have 51 people on the floor of the Senate doing their job, they can demand a vote on any measure. If people want to filibuster, they can, but they'll have to stand up and talk and keep talking.

56:32You have to force a talking filibuster. The only thing between us and passing any measure at 51 votes in the Senate is the will to do it and having the 51 votes. That's it. That's all it takes. Guys, all it takes is senators doing their jobs. How difficult is this? You've got to show up to work every day. How about these senators show up to the well of the Senate and actually vote to save our country? It is literally as simple as that, which is why I am calling for a Senate sit-in. I posted about this yesterday on X, and I think people were under the impression that I meant that American citizens need to sit inside of the Senate.

57:12And that's it. That might be a perfectly good protest move. But here's what I'm actually referencing. It's time for United States senators who believe in saving our country to begin putting their asses in their seats inside of that room until they reach the 51 they need to pass the Save Act. senators like Mike Lee have been heroic in trying to push the save act you want to take that heroism to the next level begin the senate sit-in begin sitting in the seats that American taxpayers have paid for for you until we get enough people into that room to pass the most common sense election integrity law even conceivable American citizens only when you register to vote that's it it's time for senators to do their jobs.

58:03It's time for them to stop hiding behind these ridiculous excuses. It's time for them to actually step up because we have a country to save. It shouldn't just be us from the outside saying that. It should be you from the inside saying that. Do it. Do it. Chip Roy is right. Rachel Bovard is right. This is essential. It has to happen. And President Trump, if you don't mind would you join us in this push when you get a chance when you get back to america look forward to the truth social post uh i'll be back with you on the big national radio show today we've got a lot to get to president trump's trip to davos has been historic we've got a lot to cover there we've got the jack smith proceedings all of the arrests that the fbi is making today and that invasion into the church we've got what else do we have we have a jd vance's trip to minnesota ladies and gentlemen there's so much to talk about i'm going to do it on the big national a radio show that's 12 to 3 eastern time the vince show check out the vince show.com for your local listings or join me on rumble rumble.com slash vince i will be back here tomorrow same bat time same bat channel right here rumble.com slash vince join me for the big podcast and the big radio show always appreciate you and if you're not yet subscribed please subscribe whether it's on rumble or wherever else this show is distributed god bless you appreciate you let's save the country back with you tomorrow.