The Obama Connection No One Is Talking About | Episode 95

25:09She's just a little careless, but she's not guilty of anything. We can't prosecute her. She stole a lot of classified information, but no prosecution's coming. That's the end of that. So the FBI closed the mid-year exam investigation into Hillary Clinton. And then later that month, they opened the investigation into President Trump. Coming out of the Democrat convention, coming out of this plan that Hillary Clinton's campaign cooked up to take down Trump, the FBI dutifully started the Trump-Russia collusion hoax and began going after everybody in Trump's orbit. That all happened. And so if you go to pages six and seven of this document.

25:51I'll take you there. What you can see is that according to this previously classified information, what they discovered is that they were getting more intel from their source who had access to it from Russia in July of 2016. And the memo stated that Clinton approved a plan proposed by one of her foreign policy advisors, approved a plan proposed by one of her foreign policy advisors, Julianne Smith, to smear Donald Trump by magnifying the scandal tied to the intrusion by the Russian special services in the pre-election process to benefit the Republican candidate. That was the plan. And it was cooked up by this woman, Julianne Smith, who was a part of Hillary's campaign.

26:46They said the point of all of this, as you might imagine, was to, quote, divert the constituents' attention from the investigation of Clinton's compromised electronic correspondence.

26:59Vince Colonnese:That's you. That's the voter. They wanted the voters to be taken off the scent of Hillary Clinton's stolen classified emails in her private email server, so they cooked up a fake Trump-Russia collusion hoax. That's what this is. That's exactly what this is. Now, I should tell you that everybody inside of Hillary's orbit has denied all of this. They act like none of this ever happened, actually. But the way they deny it is pretty interesting, actually. It's over the top. Let me go to pages 15 and 16 here. This is where the the document captures the denials of a number of very important Hillary Clinton officials, including the campaign chairman, John Podesta.

27:46Now, I'm going to call attention to something here that you may have seen, but I haven't seen others in media calling attention to this yet. The office interviewed Clinton herself and several former members of the Clinton campaign using the sensitive intelligence materials that have been declassified. In reviewing the July 2016 material, Clinton stated, quote, it looked like Russian disinformation to her. Now pay attention to the way each of her campaign figures responds. Campaign chairman John Podesta stated he had not seen the declassified materials before, and he characterized the information as ridiculous.

28:21Check this out. Ridiculous is in quotes here. They're quoting him directly. They say he used the word ridiculous. Senior policy advisor Jake Sullivan stated that he had not seen the declassified memo before and had no reaction to it other than to say, quote, that's ridiculous. In quotes. What is Durham doing here? Watch, here we go again. Communications director Jennifer Palmieri stated that she had never seen the memorandum before, found its contents to be, quote, ridiculous and could not recall anything like this related to the campaign. So in three independent interviews with three top Hillary officials, each one of them used the same exact adjective to describe why all of this scandalous stuff never happened.

29:22Ridiculous, they said. One after the other. How did that happen? Who put that together? Durham doesn't draw a broader conclusion here, not on paper. He doesn't write that down. He doesn't say, oh, I find it interesting that they all use the same phrasing. But the fact that John Durham quoted them, he didn't quote full passages from them. He quoted this one adjective over and over and over from each of them. Tells you a lot. It tells you that Durham believes that their answers were scripted, that they went in there with a plan, that they compared notes and they agreed on a line of attack to survive scrutiny.

30:03Ridiculous. Completely ridiculous. Before we get to our great guests, I have one last thing I want to share with you on this subject. We've got a lot we can do with it, so we'll do a lot of it in the coming days as well. John Brennan, the CIA director, is an important figure in all of this. And if anybody has criminal exposure here, it certainly looks like he's the guy. He's now on the record lying multiple times, multiple times to obviously members of the media. It's not crime to do that unless you're doing it to advance a continuing conspiracy, which he seems to have been doing. Additionally, he lied to Congress on multiple occasions about all of this.

30:45And John Brennan's role here is really interesting. On August 3rd of 2016, John Brennan briefed a whole bunch of people, Barack Obama and others. Let me push forward to page 18 here because this is where this information is. John Brennan on August 3rd. Here we go, fellas, if we could pull this document up. During a meeting at the White House, CIA Director John Brennan briefed President Obama, Vice President Biden, DNI Clapper, FBI Director Comey, and other U.S. officials regarding Russian interference, as well as the intel that they received from the T1 source received concerning the reference plan by the Clinton campaign.

31:25Brennan's handwritten notes stated, in part, we're getting additional insight into Russian activities that cite alleged approval by Hillary Clinton on the 26th of July of a proposed plan from one of her foreign policy advisors to vilify Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming Russian interference by the Russian security services. All right. So that's what's happening on August 3rd. What happened on August 4th, the next day? Well, it was on that day that John Brennan reached out to his Russian counterpart, a A guy by the name of Alexander Bortnikov. And in fact, I want to give credit to Hans Monke here, who posted this to X this weekend, about one of the most striking revelations in all of this is that Brennan briefs Obama and says, look, Hillary's trying to cook up a fake Trump-Russia collusion hoax.

32:21And the reason we know this is because the Russians have intercepted communications from the Democrats. So then the next day, Brennan contacts his Russian intelligence counterpart and says, hey, Bortnikov, knock it off. We know what you're doing. And of course, the Russians play stupid. They're like, what do you mean? What are we doing? He goes, oh, we know that the intel operation you're undertaking. We know you're meddling in the election. We know about all of this. And Bortnikov, here's the message. And guess what happens? the intel flow that we were getting from Russia that was detailing Hillary's attempt to rig the election dries up.

33:02Suddenly, Brennan tipped off the Russians that this intelligence was flowing to us, and he stopped it in its tracks. That's a really important piece here. So as you remember all of, as we go through all of this, try and keep some of these elements in mind, because I think they're going to be useful as time moves forward. Oh man, I've got a lot to get to here. Before we do that, I want to thank our sponsors. You know the name Blackout Coffee. It's probably the official coffee of all of us here at Silverlock. There's a reason for that. It's bold, unapologetic, America first coffee, roasted fresh, right here in the United States.

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36:50Vince Colonnese:She's the Senior Director of Policy at the Conservative Partnership Institute. Rachel, thank you so much for joining me today. Hi there. Thanks for having me. Of course. And thank you for your patience as I was going through the Durham annex. I'm completely obsessed with the details of it, because I do think it's giving us some meaningful information that we definitely didn't have before. What is your reaction to all of this declassification, what we're learning and your hope for accountability? Well, I think it's, you know, just trying to keep up with the Trump administration because, you know, I was very focused on the auto pen scandal.

37:21I was like, this is the biggest scandal that we've seen in 30 to 50 years. You know, we have to focus on this. And then all of this information about Russiagate was declassified. And I think it really, you know, it's one of those moments where, you know, through COVID, everyone was like, I know I'm right and everybody's wrong, but everybody around you, every institution around you and politician was gaslighting you, that you were wrong. You were the crazy one if you didn't believe all this stuff. And it's the same feeling I have now with Russiagate. You know, for years and years, we were told that people like Molly Hemingway didn't know what they were talking about.

37:54And you were just a complete Russian bot farm conspiracist, if you believed anything that she was saying, that it might not all be there. But when you looked at the story itself, it was so insane that to believe it, you had to turn off the critical thinking part of your brain. And a lot of people did that. And, you know, again, every institution in America that you were supposed to trust, from the government to the intelligence agencies to the corporate media, was reinforcing this belief. And now all of this is coming out. And it's it. On one hand, it's it's great. Right. On one hand, this is the kind of transparency that we are owed because all of this stuff was done in our name, for starters.

38:36But to it, it really just reinforces this belief that, yes, the government was as bad as you thought they were. Yes, they were actually doing the thing that we all suspected. And, you know, we've got to be better than this. And our institutions have to be reformed and be accountable and be better than this because you cannot sustain long term a republic if this is the kind of backdoor dealing that our government agencies are going to do on behalf of one political party. You talk about sustaining the republic. I also like to restore it because I do think that in order for that to work, we're going to have to hold people accountable.

39:08And I don't mean through public shaming or finger wagging. I think I heard Trey Gowdy on television, I think it was this weekend. And he said, well, it's not just handcuffs. Sometimes it's just shaming people and letting them know that you know what they did. I think that's wrong, actually. I'd like to see handcuffs here. How important is it that we see someone cuffed and prosecuted for what they did to us? I think there is nothing more important. And this has been my frustration with Congress as a body, right? When they talk about, oh, we're going to do all this oversight and we're going to release these documents and we're going to name and shame these players.

39:42That maybe worked 25 years ago. We are a post-shame nation. In that regard, every politician is going to keep doing this because they can sustain the shame game because they have a corporate media at their back. Unless we see people tried and held accountable and in orange jumpsuits and handcuffs, this is not going away. Because number one, the behavior will not be punished. But I think number two, you're also just removing this belief that people have in the government that they will ever hold anyone accountable. So I think it's necessary and proper and just for this to happen, for not just Congress, but every law enforcement agency to see this through.

40:23You know, James Clapper, it has been proved definitively that the man lied to Congress and manipulated about, you know, many other things besides Russiagate, including mass surveillance. But he also manipulated intelligence. This should be tried in a court of law. And I think if all of these protagonists are just walking around in 20 years, you know, getting standing ovations at rubber chicken Democratic Party dinners, we will have proved nothing. And we will have, I think, demoralized half the country who just sees themselves, you know, getting punched in the face repeatedly and nothing to be done about it.

40:55There's implications for conservative politics, for sure. And I can smell it in the air, but I know what's going to happen, and perhaps you can too, which is that if conservatives get the sense that they're just going to perpetually be victimized by the government and there will be no accountability to prevent that, then why would you engage in the electoral process? You will have people who are so dissuaded from being involved in politics, they're like, look, I voted for Trump three times. I voted to break this system, and then the system won. Why would I try again? I think it's going to have a deep impact if if the Trump administration can't fix things now.

41:30Yeah, no, I completely agree with that. It's going to demoralize an entire group of people. And I'm not just talking about conservatives or Republicans or independents. All those people voted for change. And if what they see is just, OK, well, we expose them and nothing and then nothing happened. You know, that that really does prevent people not just from participating, but the belief they have that they have agency in their own government. right, that their vote matters, that they have any say in these vast forces that control their lives. When that goes away, you've lost the social contract in some respect.

42:01Everything that goes into building a sustainable government is starting to fade. But I think the important thing here is that, you know, Trump can do a lot of this, but Trump has to have partners and in Congress specifically. And this is why, you know, I opened with this auto pen discussion. This has been my argument about that whole investigation that's going on. Investigations are fine, but Congress has the ability, specifically in the Oversight Committee, to hold people accountable, to grant them legislative immunity so they cannot plead the fifth, and then to hold people in contempt of Congress if they don't comply and put them in jail.

42:33We know Congress has this power because they did it to us. Yes, they did. Liz Cheney did this to us. We are operating in a post-Steve Bannon and post-Peter Navarro going to jail world. Yes. And so I think if that standard is not held to both sides by Congress, we are in, it's tough sledding ahead. Yeah. You know, some of this you can find out through reporting and reading and talking. Others you can just feel. Congress is way behind Trump. They're not, they're not, they don't see this as the existential threat that the rest of us are detecting to our country. And a lot of them are doing the go along, the get along thing still.

43:09So let me ask you about what we saw this weekend, which is the president has hundreds of nominees that have still not been confirmed by the United States Senate. They're still waiting. And the reason for that, at least according to Republicans in the Senate, is that Democrats are obstructing the nomination process, that they're throwing up every procedural barrier possible. Chuck Schumer is demanding more federal government spending as a way to relieve the pressure. He's like, well, you give me more spending and I'll finally let your nominees through. No, that's insane. Why would we do that? You don't control anything.

43:41We control everything right now. But the Senate just went into recess. They just went into recess and not a full recess. They went into a pro forma recess. And the only reason, unless you can correct me, Rachel, and give me some other better explanation, the only reason the Senate goes into, quote, pro forma recess is to prevent the president of the United States from making recess appointments. Am I wrong about that? And why would you do that? Yeah. So there's a couple of things to unpack there. The first is that Democrats are obstructing in the Senate. That is for sure. But Republicans have the tools to overcome that obstruction.

44:20Republicans love to play this game of feigned helplessness. Oh, we can't do anything because of Democratic obstruction. Democrats are objecting to approving nominees by consent. Right. Basically, this idea that they just agree to move up the timeline to get everybody done easily. Democrats are never going to do that because they're Democrats. Right. Right. So Republicans have the ability to put these nominees on the floor for a vote whenever they want. John Thune controls this process. Democrats have no say in this process. And more than that, they've eliminated the filibuster. There are there is no 60 vote requirement to confirm these nominees anymore.

44:54Nominees are confirmed at simple majority or 51 votes. There are 53 Republican senators. The issue that many of us, including me, have is that, you know, we are at close to 150 nominees on the calendar. at this point, just people waiting to be confirmed, the Senate works two and a half days a week. Okay. They don't show up for a full five-day work week. If they did, right, you could actually confirm some of these nominees pretty quickly. They're very easily done. You just have to stay in town and do it. So, but to your question about the pro formas, that's exactly what's happening here. I will say John Thune went into pro forma session for the Senate after Mike Johnson did it first.

45:33So both the Republican House and the Republican Senate have set up pro forma sessions to block recess appointments. This is important. Let me let me dwell on this for a second. Both the House and the Senate have to both agree to go into an official recess, correct? Correct. Yeah. So the Constitution says that neither house can adjourn for more than three days without the consent of the other. So you have to have consent from both the House and the Senate to go into a longer adjournment of more than three days. Now, when it's a, you know, a split chamber, when there's one Democrat, one Republican held chamber, this never, you know, there's no long adjournment, right?

46:08There's no agreement. Right. Here you have both Republicans in control. Let me show people what this looks like. This is John Thune, cut three. This is John Thune going into a pro forma recess, pro forma session, whatever. The whole point is to stop Trump from getting his recess appointments. Look at this. Let me ask unanimous consent. The quorum call be suspended without objection. And I ask unanimous consent that when the Senate completes its business today, adjourn to then convene for pro forma session only with no business being conducted on the following dates and times, Tuesday, August 5th at one Friday, August 8th at one Oh five Tuesday, August 12th at 8 a.m.

46:43Friday, August 15th at 10 15 a.m. So every three days they have no business being conducted. You heard him say it there. We're in a pro forma session. I don't even know how this is constitutional. He's straight up saying in his declaration that no work is going to be done. We're just going to be gone. But this is the way it's been done. Now, if I'm understanding the rationale here, assuming in any way that this is good faith, what Republicans are saying here, Rachel, is, well, we do this because if the shoe were on the other foot, we don't want the Democrats making recess appointments. So let's uphold this tradition so the Democrats uphold it too.

47:22Is that the logic here? There's that logic. And then there's also just the reality that there are people within the Senate Republican Conference that don't support recess appointments. Right. And it can be for reasons as simple as I don't like the nominee. Or the second reason is, you know, they want to protect the Senate's institutional prerogative to, you know, vet and clear these nominees and vote for them on the floor. And, you know, there's also the technical aspect of recess appointments that it doesn't fully do the job. Right. There are temporary appointments that you'd have to come back and clear again later.

47:55You also can't do recess appointments for judicial nominees. Right. It's only for civilian executive branch. Right. Because the judicial nominee is a lifetime appointment. Right. And but like these U.S. attorneys, correct me, I think we only have one confirmed now. I think Jeanine Pirro. She's the only one. Janine Pirro was just confirmed as the U.S. attorney for D.C., and the only reason that could happen is because there are no senators to represent D.C.

48:21Vince Colonnese:to block her. The rest of the country has these blue slips. I won't go into all the stupid details right now, but they got Janine Pirro through, but that's it? And he's got a ton. Everybody else is an acting interim U.S. attorney. We need—this goes right back to what we were talking about a moment ago, Rachel. You want handcuffs? You want prosecutions? You need U.S. attorneys who can both bring the charges and stay in the job long enough to see them through. This is what's been infuriating about this entire thing is that these Trump cannot execute on his mandate without these people. Right. And the Senate has been wasting time considering appropriations bills that aren't going to pass the House.

49:02Right. They're considering a military construction appropriations bill that's not going to pass the House because they stripped out all the pro-life protections. So that's going nowhere. When instead they could be approving these nominees. These are two hour nominees. That means there's two hours of debate post-closure. There's no filibuster. The only thing stopping the Senate Republicans from confirming these nominees is their work ethic. They don't want to stay through August. They don't want to work five days a week. Why don't they go into recess? This is killing me. Why not? Why not? Why is Mike Johnson playing this game?

49:34Why is John Thune playing this game? And the president, I don't know, he's being very nice to them. This weekend, he posted on Truth Social that, fine, go on recess, go back to your home districts, tell everybody how awful the Democrats are. That's fine. But my suspicion is, and maybe we'll hear more from the president on this soon, is he wants them to go into an authentic, real recess that lets him make these recess appointments. You're right, it's a temporary measure, but it's a pretty decent temporary measure. It gives you two years of having these people in place to do the job. I don't know this for a fact, but I'm speculating that because if you remember when the House went out for their recess, they adjourned very abruptly, right, because Democrats were playing footsie with Epstein votes and it was making everyone very uncomfortable.

50:18If they were to go into a full recess because, you know, if the Senate were to pass an adjournment resolution that recessed them for more than three days, the House would have to reconvene. Okay. And the house would then have to approve that recess adjournment.

50:33Vince Colonnese:Yes. I suspect that Mike Johnson is worried about that. He's worried about it for the same reason he adjourned the house abruptly at the end of July. He doesn't want to have to deal with these Epstein votes because that's a reality he would have to face. Now, whether or not that's a good excuse, other people will have to judge, but I suspect that that's what's going on. I think it's an awful excuse. I mean, let the Democrats have their stupid show votes. I the the pressing need, as you pointed out, is this agenda. And if you want to see consequences, if you want to see the Trump agenda fulfilled, you have to have these nominees in place or else it's not going to work.

51:08So we'll see. So that means we don't have the Senate for a while and then they'll eventually come back and we'll be pissed at them when they do. Well, the last sort of coda to this is, yes, they're coming back in September with no plan to confirm these nominees. That's what's like completely shocking about this. It's not only that they couldn't get it done before August, they won't recess a point for the month, they're coming back and they're saying, oh, we're going to keep doing these wasting time on appropriations bills that aren't going to pass the House. And we're going to do the National Defense Authorization Act, which doesn't have to be passed until December.

51:39So they have no plan to address this backlog. And once they start moving to judicial nominees, these civilian nominees are going to sit on the calendar for another year. So I really think it's a dumpster fire of a situation. And John Thune has no plan, as far as I can tell. And we need them to pass regular order appropriations bills. This is the thing we've been demanding. And so everything gets backed up again. And then we get to the point where we do another omnibus, you know, continuing resolution garbage. It's like no end in sight. So I don't know. I just feel like if now's not the time to browbeat these guys into submission, I don't know when is.

52:13Because by next year, these midterms, what case is Congress going to be able to make to the American people? If they can't get Trump's nominees confirmed and like to actually get the agenda fulfilled, then how can they make advance a positive vision for why they deserve more power? You know, I mean, it's going to hurt the midterms if they can't get this done, Rachel. No, it is. And I think that that's just the unselfaware bubble that Congress lives in. They don't think this far ahead. They think in terms of their next vacation, as we're seeing here. But even more than that, right, you have Trump's nominees not being confirmed in the Senate.

52:49But when you talk about even regular order appropriations bills, you are seeing bills come out of the House dealing with foreign operations and defense that is turning back on authorities that Trump turned off. Right. Trump went in and defunded and eliminated programs from the National Endowment of Democracy to programs within USAID for all of the reasons that we all support. Well, House Republican appropriators went in and said, oh, well, we just disagree and we're going to turn that authority back on and give the program money. So again, like it's the guy can't. This is what I'm saying. Trump can only do so much.

53:23He needs willing partners in Congress. And I think the more we overlook House and Senate Republicans who are literally out of step with Trump's agenda, it's to our detriment because they are not helping right now. It's suicidal. It's totally suicidal. Rachel Bovard, please keep the pressure on them. And thank you for your wisdom. Appreciate you today. Good to talk to you. Thanks, Vince. There's Rachel Bovard. She's the senior director of policy at the Conservative Partnership Institute. Appreciate her. And what I like about Rachel, she's got this really clear understanding of how the Congress operates, which, you know, can be Byzantine, hard to sort through.

53:59And she's good at it. So thank you again. Yeah. OK, so look, this this Congress thing is is annoying to me more than annoying. But I'm being I'm being subtle. I've got a couple of people here. I believe this is Mike Lee going into the weekend. Take a look. Cut one here. Mike Lee on social media, actually, posting this video. We've continued to have delay after delay, and we'd rather get these people confirmed. Senate Republicans are ready, willing and able to stay and get that done. If they don't want to, though, we've got another way around this. I've drafted an adjournment resolution, one that would allow President Trump to invoke his recess appointment power.

54:41So if this is the way the Democrats want to play, they might not like the result. Either way, we're good. We just want to get President Trump's nominees in place. And we intend to do it. Mike Lee's right. Mike Lee's totally right. Going to recess, going to a real recess. None of this pro forma recess horseshit that we see from from John Thune. What is this guy doing? Josh Hawley also had this to say over the weekend that, you know, now may be the time. Democrats are just filibustering everything. What choice do we have other than to let the president make his recess appointments? If he can do recess appointments, he gets everybody through, except for the lifetime appointments, everybody through, all the political appointees, done.

55:24Wham, bam, thank you, ma 'am. And then we could eventually get them confirmed by the Senate on some longer timetable, but it can happen now. Here's Josh Hawley recommending that. Trump is going to be the first president in history who has had every single nominee filibustered by the opposing party. That's where we're at right now. Every single nominee. You mentioned the judges. Trump's gotten five judges confirmed, maybe it's six. When the Democrats filibuster every single nominee, I don't want to hear any complaints when the president starts saying, we need to do recess appointments. Now, you can't recess appoint judges, so we've got to get those judges confirmed.

56:00These are lifetime appointments. This will be some of the president's biggest legacy makers. But all of these other positions, the cabinet, subcabinet, the deputy the assistant to this and that. The president needs that in order to make the government run. Democrats are filibustering all of them. And pretty soon we're going to start talking about recess. I don't see what the option is, Steve. I mean, the pace that we're going right now. I mean, they want to go on vacations. They want to go on recess. They don't like being in

56:28Vince Colonnese:Washington. They want to go home. Let them go. But go for real. Stop dragging your ass. Stop. driving me crazy, hurting my country, which drives me crazy. It's great to be back with you. We got a big week planned, a big, big week here. I'll be doing the show all week from Florida. It's going to be wonderful. It is wonderful. It's nice seeing everybody. It's nice seeing Justin's smiling face, although he could use a Jack the Fitness machine. It's nice seeing Guy's sad face. He's always so sad to see me. And it's good to see you too. It's great to be with you here. We've got the big radio show coming up today, 212 to 3 Eastern time.

57:07Producer Jim is going to be very excited to not have to host and produce the show.

57:17Vince Colonnese:I can help him a little bit now. It's going to be great. Thanks for being with me as always.