The Shutdown Is Even Worse Than You Thought | Episode 146

25:17They're sheep. They're sheep. They're obedient. They just they just desperately want you to go away. I mean, think about it. This is they're full of loathing for Donald Trump. They hate that he exists. They hate that he represents a complete denunciation of their worldview. They're desperate for him to go away. Undoubtedly, that room is populated with a number of people who very much wish that Donald Trump was assassinated last year, that that bullet had had struck him and taken him out. They would have been perfectly content with that outcome. And I'm not just making that up. That's in the survey data.

25:55We can see that. Remember, over half of people who consider themselves on the center left, according to that Rutgers University survey earlier this year, said they could justify the assassination of Donald Trump. So that's a room full of people who would have been totally content with that outcome, which is awful. And in order to survive this moment, they need to have Martin Sheen on stage making up insults on the fly that don't make any sense. but at least somebody else hates Trump too. And that guy's famous. So let's all laugh together. It's all very sad, actually, in a way. It's all deeply depressing to see people like that.

26:33And yet there they are, desperate to climb back into the matrix. Yeah. Hubba66 says, I'll take Jon Voight over to that clown. You know what's funny? I had the same thought when I saw this yesterday. I was like, there's Martin Sheen. All right, you got Martin Sheen. We've got Jon Voight. I like I like John. I'll take John. That's a great deal. That's a great deal. You know, the irony is, I think that in both cases, their children also have their opposite politics. So I'm pretty sure Angelina Jolie is like a full on lefty. That's John Boyd's daughter. And then meanwhile, Charlie Sheen is like pro Trump these days.

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30:03I actually have to say I watch slash listen to Vince pretty much every single day. You really? I am one of your most devoted listeners. And I tune in literally every day, I promise. I pretend like I'm stunned about that, but she does text me. You do text me, which is great because now that means I've got multiple White House correspondents. We're at least thinking about what we're talking about here on the program. Well, you've got all these mentees in the White House now. They're going to write a hit piece about you. Well, I can't wait for it because I don't know. I feel like America's getting better if it's focused on the stuff that we're focused on here so I talked to you a lot and and I'm grateful thank you for listening to the show and and and I talked to Reagan Reese all the time yeah and so the effect of that is that I think the upside is like there's finally like a lot of real questions being asked to the president of the United States that have a lot more to do with what normal people are interested in than what Washington is interested in have you noticed that at the White House totally I mean something that I talked to my boss Brent share about all the time is when we go into the briefing room we try and think about what is everyone on the legacy side of things going to be asking and then what do people actually care about because the legacy press has all of the same set narrative that they're going to go in there thinking about the same you know uh questions about trump spending his own money or not spending his own money or all these like family specific questions and the american people actually care about crime and immigration well what they do is it's i would call it scandal mongering yes like it's always like how can i invent a scandal for the white house if i can't like it's just constantly probing to like trying to create scandals and i tend to believe that there's just all sorts of interesting things that we still don't know that i'd love to get answers to yes how much more quickly can we fire federal workers i want to know like is the office of management and budget doing that and to what extent is that occurring yeah how quickly are we going to get control of american cities will the president invoke the insurrection act to do that right there's all these really interesting stories to tell and instead they want a scandal monger exactly i think there was a vanity fair or vox article at the beginning of the year and it was examining conservative versus legacy scoops and they were trying to say that the legacy press is still getting all the scoops and what i realized by reading this story is that they the legacy press only considers a scoop or an exclusive something negative about trump yes so at the end of the day they only consider news to be negative or it's only news if it's a story about trump that's negative and when you look at news that way now it's so interesting to see because obviously good stories are news we want good things to happen the hostages being released that's a massive good story yes maybe the first one i've seen all year where legacy press are celebrating something that trump did that's that they think is good now obviously it is very good what occurred and in a way i'm just i'm grateful that people are admitting this uh widely although chat maybe you feel like this too chat like I do get suspicious when the media says something nice about Trump like my radar instantly goes up I'm like what game are you playing right now and it may just be a box-checking exercise like well we said something nice what do you make of it I mean I think it's too big of a deal for them to ignore true and they like to ignore the successes they like to pretend it's not happening and I mean you'll see people who are avoiding addressing it I think Kamala Harris didn't want to actually say Trump's name when she was acknowledging the good that he had done here.

33:20But you got Biden, you got Clinton, you got all of these big figures celebrating it. And so at the end of the day, this is too big of a deal for them to ignore. I think you saw President Trump on Air Force One two nights ago. It was such a short trip. I'm getting it all blurred together. But I believe the first night, Sunday night, when they're on their way there, he kind of called out Dasha Burns, who works for Politico. Yes, he did. And was basically like, you're not a good reporter. I don't like your outlet. Let's hear from somebody else, which I actually know Dasha. I think that she is a pretty decent reporter.

33:49I don't know what exactly all of her questions were to the president at the moment, but he was calling her out and saying, I want to focus on the successes here. And I think that's fair for the president to do. Yes. But there was a good sprinkling of reporters on that plane. They are all interested in what's going on. And I think even Caitlin Collins was saying that this is a big deal. This is a good thing to happen. This is a huge victory for the president. Right. Even Time Magazine is saying this is a victory for the president, even though they took a bad angle of him for their photo. I know.

34:16And the president was complaining about the angle about this. He posted on Truth Social. It's funny. It is true. It's not a great angle of him. It's like they decided to, like, give you a shot of his neck. The president hates the angle. And I don't blame him. It's terrible. They should have chosen, like, a better angle. And he, a guy who's obsessed with images, as President Trump is, he's really good at the specifics. If you've ever watched it, he knows the lighting. He knows the camera work. Yeah, look at that cover. So it's wild. Anyway, there you go. All right. So you've got you've got the success of this trip.

34:51What did you make of it? You know, I know I saw I was following your social media feed throughout all of this. You were you were sharing every detail as the president. This is such an unusual moment. The president gets the hostages out and then he rallies what looked like all of the world's leaders. Literally together in order to secure a peace deal to solve one of the big intractable fights of our time. Exactly. I mean, this was something that Biden wanted to solve. This was something that Kamala would have liked to take leadership of. So many people would have liked to be the one that saved the hostages that ended this conflict in the Middle East.

35:28And yet it was Trump that did it. And to watch him speak in Israel at the Knesset, the Israeli parliament, to see the support that he had from the Israeli people, but then to see him go to Egypt and also have the support of all these Middle Eastern leaders, to see him having that weird little handshake moment with Macron and then you know joking with Georgia Maloney and all these world leaders who actually respect him like very dead serious respect him as a world leader that yes save our country save the Middle East maybe end the war in Ukraine Zelensky is coming on Friday so who knows if that will happen this week as well and it's just it was such a momentous day in so many ways to see how all these world leaders respect our president and are hailing him as a hero Yeah.

36:13And I mean, I did a little deep dive on this award he received from Egypt. It's not an award. It's an honor. The, what was it? The model, the something of the Nile, the order of the Nile. He received this honor from the Egyptian president. And it's the highest state honor that they can give anyone in recognition of his attempts to end this conflict and to restore peace to the Middle East. Yeah, that's it. Yeah, the Egyptian president, Al-Sisi, gave him the Order of the Nile collar. And the collar, I believe it's made out of like solid gold. It is. Yeah. And it has I think the word was pharaoh in inscriptions on it.

36:56And truly it is, you know, it's I saw people making images of Trump within an Egyptian headdress on him and, you know, joking about how he's this, you know, he's an Egyptian pharaoh. But this is a high, high honor from Egypt. Israel honored him. He got nominated for the Israel Award. Yes. Which is their highest award as well. And then the president of Pakistan wants him to receive the Nobel Peace Prize. And then all these other leaders are saying that he should reserve global recognition as well. So, you know, I was thinking of the Trump team who has, you know, I'm up close to this. I see the backlash that they get from the liberal media, from Democrats.

37:33They've endured a lot over the past eight months. So, you know, I saw Caroline Levitt tweeting on the way back on Air Force One to the United States. Imagine how they're all feeling right now when the whole world was against them. It felt like and now they have everyone louding them. What do you make? So in the first term, the president was not treated like this by world leaders. Right. World leaders treated him with derision. There are famous photos of world leaders kind of really just like having to stomach him. They didn't like him. They made it really clear in their words and their expressions.

38:04It does feel like this is very different that that that they've basically they've bent the knee. They almost like they just accept this is the world that they have to live in, at least for now. What do you make of the sea change here? I mean I think it's just emblematic of this administration and you know you look at how they have handled messaging how they have handled policy Trump is just so much more aggressive than he was in the first administration I think a really good example of that are these deportation videos that we've talked about before they are unapologetic about what they're doing this time in fact they're setting deportation videos to the tune of closing time and other like popular kind of hell yeah songs and putting them out there on the internet and saying yes we're deporting people and we're owning it and we love it and you should love it too and that's really kind of the posture of the Trump administration this time is we're doing exactly what we said we would we love it you should love it and it's a win yes and I think that posture has been really successful do you think it's possible and this is hard to assess the psychology of somebody who's this resistance to Trump at this late stage but do you think it's possible that this win with Israel and this peace deal would be the kind of thing that could be an eye-opening experience for somebody who's previously just kind of reflexively believed the legacy media like that maybe you look at this I've certainly one of the things I was hoping this weekend is like there's got to be Americans out there who've been misled for so long who see something like this and they go wait a second I didn't know Trump could do this I thought Trump was Hitler what kind of Hitler negotiates a deal right to secure Israel's peace exactly well my colleague Cassie Akiva she came back early from maternity leave so she could cover all this because she's such a good she's been covering Israel since October 7th and done such a impressive job she shared a really funny video and it's on her timeline if anyone wants to see it of this Israeli woman I believe she was Israeli and she's driving a moped or something around Israel and she's basically saying we thought that Trump was a horrible horrible person she's joking about it and she's saying but you saved us like you you solved all our problems and she's joking and she's like okay if you don't want me to like abortion i won't like abortion if you don't want me to like the gender stuff i won't like the gender stuff like you saved us this is we're we're free and um i think that's kind of emblematic of how a lot of people over there are feeling i'm guessing um you know trump has received so much backlash abroad i think a lot of more left-leaning people are willing to believe the lies that a lot of our media has spread or European media has spread and in the United States as well the whole mantra of the left has been there's genocide in Gaza we must stop the genocide in Gaza well if you were saying that just so you know Trump stopped the yes genocide in Gaza so this is this is something that the left is gonna have to grapple with now is the person that they were blaming for this has actually solved the problem that they were so worried about so I think the the muted response from the left on this subject reveals two things to me either one they don't know anything about this issue so there's like lefties who are breaking windows and wearing keffias who don't actually know where israel is on a map and they have no idea what river or sea they're even talking about when they say from the river to the sea they have no idea ever have they never yeah so there's that category and then there's people who really think that israel should be destroyed right there's like a category of person who's like stop the genocide like free gaza and what they really want is for Israel to be wiped off the map.

41:25So the last thing that they, it's not like they're not going to celebrate this because they're like, oh crap, that means Israel gets to stick around. So there is that too. And that continues. And you know what Vince, I was at some of the first protests in DC when October 7th happened. I remember that horrible, horrible day. We're hearing about all of these atrocities being committed against these Israeli people. You know, seeing all these horrific videos of these girls being ripped from their boyfriends and taken and you know, raped and murdered. It's just so horrific. And I went, I want to say two nights later to George Washington University.

41:59They had a vigil for the martyrs. And when we say martyrs, they're talking about the Hamas barbarians that were slaughtering people who were killed in the act of slaughtering people because the Israelis were defending themselves. And they had a vigil for these martyrs. And the young guy that was leading it, he was probably like 20, 19, this kid, I swear he was just a young terrorist in the making. Like I tried to talk to him. He wouldn't make eye contact with me. Pretty sure it's because I'm a woman and he didn't think that I was on the same level as him. And, you know, he's wearing a keffiyeh.

42:31All of them are these radical young people who've got LGBTQ slogans on their megaphones. But then they're wearing the keffiyehs and they're calling for the savior of these Hamas fighters who died in action. So it just, it was so radicalizing to me to see that firsthand. And then to watch all of these protests all over the country of young Hamas supporters telling us that they believe that Israel should be eradicated. And now years and years later to see these people coming out of the tunnels that they were shackled in for years and reunited with their families. So it's just incredibly moving events.

43:06And to see the people who supported this kind of thing, it's just stomach turning. Yeah, it is. And so here's a big picture thing on this. I realize that there are lots of debates and there are good faith debates on the extent to which we should have involvement in Israel and help them and provide military weaponry and those types of things. And anybody who does that from a position of like, hey, how do we take care of our country first, I think is doing it in a good spirit. But that said, no matter where you are on that debate, you have to be happy with the president of the United States, what he's secured here, because he's stopping a war.

43:40he's saying instead of the United States owning the entire process, yes, he's going to be the chair of the peace board to try and oversee Gaza. But fundamentally, the security guarantees are being made by the Arab countries. He's asking the region to come in and secure a peace in and for Israel. It's an amazing deal. And it's the kind of deal that if you're a thinking, decent person, everyone should be happy with. I mean, he achieved in so many ways the impossible. intractable because it did feel like this was intractable. It did feel like that this was either going to go one way or the other, either an all out war or an all out just we're just out of the region entirely.

44:19Instead, he figured out a way to be able to achieve something that I think everybody can nod along to and go, you know what? This is a great outcome. This is probably the best possible outcome. It really is. And the fact that he's including all these other leaders in the decision making and urging them to be part of this and to promote peace in the Middle East is just another sign that I think this will be lasting. God forbid something happens that prevents his phases of going through. I believe we're in the midst of phase two right now and we'll see what unfolds next. But you know, this is exactly what you're saying.

44:53It's a huge success from his point of view and from the point of view of the legacy media, conservative media. I haven't really checked in on far right media. I'm not totally sure what they're saying about this but at the end of the day the hostages are home there's peace in the Middle East I don't know if you saw that video of the Catholic children in Gaza celebrating in there in their Catholic Church with the priest are so heartwarming as these kids that are just celebrating with their priests that that the conflict is over so everyone should be safe now please God and I mean I saw a video yesterday of Hamas executing some of their political dissidents don't know the exact details of why these men were being executed but that is something that we still need to remember is that these guys are still there they're still out there and there are people that might have to deal with them and their violence and so that's worth absolutely keeping an eye on and seeing what happens next with that because yes they need to be disarmed and that is a huge in my view that's a huge obstacle because let's say they are disarmed they're still going to be out there and they're still going to hold these very very radical beliefs so someone's gonna to have to keep an eye on them.

46:01And I'm curious. I've been wanting to ask the president this or Caroline Levitt. It just hasn't panned out. But I do really want to know what happens to the Hamas fighters, even if they're disarmed. Are we going to be keeping an eye on them? Is that something that, you know, our counterterrorism division of the FBI would be looking into? I think that's so interesting. Yeah, for sure. No question about that. And regarding the Catholic churches, that's fascinating to hear that. I hope that Catholic churches in the United States will use their prayers of the faithful this weekend to pray for the president, a prayer of gratitude and a prayer for wisdom that God can guide him.

46:32Because they should. And it's the most obvious thing. And I just feel like there's just way too many priests who are hesitating to say what's true about this subject. And they should. One of the scoops that you had recently that I wanted to talk to you about is you revealed that in the court proceedings for Brett Kavanaugh's would-be assassin, it came out that this guy calls himself transgender. So this was complete chaos and it made its way into the sentence to the to the sentencing. What did you discover about all of this and how much of a trend is this that people who call themselves transgender end up trying to perpetrate or do in some cases perpetrate horrific acts of violence?

47:15Well, this this story has blown my mind because it's kind of the culmination of all of these different stories that I've worked on for years. I mean, you and I talked about this back in 2022 when the Politico published the draft leak or the leak of the draft opinion from the Supreme Court showing that Roe v. Wade would be overturned. That was years ago. And that leak showed that the justices were about to overturn Roe v. Wade. And that prompted all the protesting outside the homes of the Supreme Court justices. It prompted these crazy far left groups to post the justices' addresses online. and that prompted a man named Nicholas Roski to travel all the way from California to Maryland touchdown and Dulles Airport where we've all been and to get a cab and go to justice Brett Kavanaugh's house to try to kill him well why would a dude who thinks he's a woman try to kill a justice over the issue of abortion because at this point they're all connected these trans activists they just merge all of this together so abortion rights they they believe they kind of just morph them all so abortion rights I don't actually like to say abortion rights I think that's a fake right but abortion climate change all of these issues they kind of push it together and they say it's worth violence it's worth killing someone over it's worth hurting someone hurting their family so Nicholas Roski who apparently at the time identified as a woman had kind of was going under the radar but on some online forums was referring to himself as a transgender woman and had a weird like furry affiliation.

48:45I think my colleague Luke Rosiak dove into all of this and he knows all these weird gross details. We were just chatting about it the other day. But Nicholas Roski goes. He ends up calling the police on himself right outside Kavanaugh's house, partially because he pulls up ready to kill the Supreme Court justice and possibly his family. And he sees that there are federal authorities parked outside. So he chickens out and calls the cops on himself. They take him in. And now, years later, we find out that his defense attorneys are referring to him as a she, her, Sophie Roski. And, you know, we broke this news because at the same time, we had just seen that the covenant Catholic, the covenant Christian shooter in Nashville, trans, a girl who identified as a guy, shot children at a Christian school in Nashville.

49:29And then years later at Annunciation Catholic School in Minneapolis, another young man who identified as transgender shot and killed Catholic school children as they prayed at the first school mass of the year. And so Charlie Kirk's assassin seemed very motivated by trans ideology. Absolutely. Charlie Kirk's assassin was living with a guy who identified as trans. We don't know the full story on this shooter yet and what his, you know, what, what else we could know about this trans affiliation here. I'm very interested in disturbed. And now we know that the man who tried to kill Kavanaugh also identified as transgender and something I haven't talked about, Vince.

50:03I was there. I saw all the protesters who would go to Kavanaugh's house. A disturbing number of them were trans. A disturbing number of these protesters were people who thought that they were in the wrong body and were living and dressing as men when they were women or women when they were men and so this was a threat to the justice on multiple levels and like we were just talking about these people who are waving the transgender flag they believe that there's in some cases a justification for violence to defend these specific well right talk about living inside of the matrix yeah because what they're doing is they're leading fictional lives there they they create a fantasy world that they occupy right and they get angry anytime reality intrudes upon oh yeah so it's to the point that they want to perpetrate acts of violence which is actually speaking of the matrix you know what the end of that story is I actually don't really remember the matrix so the major it's okay you don't remember the movie but the people who made it were the Wachowski brothers there were these you know these movies these guys who made the brothers made the matrix trilogy they now identify as trans no way they They call themselves women now.

51:08They're both of them. They both identify as women. They say they're the Wachowski sisters now. Oh, my gosh. Isn't that crazy? So they made a whole movie about escaping fiction and, like, living in the real world, taking the red pill, getting away from the fantasies that are created in order to hold us down. And the end of the saga for them is that they dove into the fantasy world and rejected reality. They took the blue pill. Isn't that crazy? So wild. It is crazy. Anyway, the point of all of that, I just went on a wild detour. But the point of all of this is this is a really disturbing trend of people who are living within delusions.

51:42And those delusions are not merely dangerous to themselves, but are increasingly very dangerous to the rest of us. Absolutely. And I mean, Vince, I wrote a whole book on this, on the effects of testosterone, estrogen on your body, on these transgender hormonal changes that they cause in you. all these young people who are taking these drugs it causes you severe rage problems it causes severe emotional problems depression anxiety suicide like anything you name it and especially what we're seeing is young men who are taking we don't know exactly what drugs are taking I would like to know I've requested in a lot of these shooters cases because tragically I mean is it the whole thing is so upsetting and sad but when they commit these acts of violence against these children they usually take their own life or they're killed by you know authorities who are rescuing the children yes my buddy Chris plant always refers to these as suicide attacks yeah because because fundamentally that is what they are they go in because and they want to kill other people and then be shot down on a rain of gunfire exactly and they and they write about it too they know they're not coming out of it they want the fame the glory that's why a lot of outlets don't name them on but I I think we the American public deserves to know what hormones were in their system when they were committing these attacks.

52:58I think we deserve to know what antidepressants they were taking, what was in their system. Right. And that's not something that we've had transparency on. We almost never get toxicology reports on these guys. I mean, the Covenant Christians shooter, Audrey Horn, I believe that was her name. She was a girl. Audrey Hale. Thank you. Yeah. She identified as a guy, but she, I would bet money she had testosterone in her system. And I begged the coroner for the autopsy report years ago, and I never got it. and they acted like I was a disgusting person for wanting to know what was in her system when she died.

53:28What is wrong with us? I mean, us as a society. The fact is, the Kavanaugh assassin, the would-be Kavanaugh assassin, was just given a lighter sentence for believing that he's a woman. The judge said that. Yes, this was a big Daily Wire story because we're all very invested in this. My colleague Luke Rosiak was in the room. He was listening intently to everything the judge was saying. The judge gave him a lighter sentence because he identifies as transgender. And I read through all of the documents, the letters that the parents, the grandparents, the aunt, uncle, the cousin sent to the judge, and they were so transparent about the fact that they knew that the judge would be lenient because their brother identifies as a woman.

54:10These letters are so disturbing. We wrote about them for Daily Wire, and I included big chunks because I wanted people to understand what was going on. They literally said, she, they call him a she, she needs to be outside. She needs to have more flexibility in her schedule. She needs this and that to thrive, specifically the word thrive. So they want this judge to know that this person that tried to kill a Supreme Court justice, and actually four others, three others, I'm pretty sure this person wanted to also kill Alito, Justice Thomas, and who was the fourth? Maybe Amy Coney Barrett. Amy Coney Barrett.

54:43Yeah. So all of these people were in danger from this justice, or from this attempted assassin. Right. And yet his family is saying, well, he needs to thrive. She needs to thrive. And they were begging the judge for the ability for him to do so so that he wouldn't be in jail. DOJ wanted 30 years. He got eight and he might get let out sooner. So I know the DOJ is appealing that conviction, but just to understand, like this is a Biden appointed judge who looked at all this and was like, meh, okay. Like this guy gets eight years and because he identifies as transgender and oh, look, his family has become so understanding of his trans identity.

55:17Well, I mean, it's wild. And the stat that always, one of the stats that always drives me crazy is when Donald Trump took office, 15 % of all of the populations of women prisons in the United States were men. 15%. I'm not even, can you even believe that number? In the federal prison system, in the female prisons, 15 % of the inmates were actually biological men who were put there by judges just like that. Oh, my gosh. One of the most disturbing stories I ever wrote was I had written about a man who got transferred to a woman's prison because he identified as a woman. And because I had written about it, a woman who was incarcerated with this guy.

55:57I think we talked about this years ago. A woman who was incarcerated with him, sharing a bunk bed with him. She messages her fiance through like a jail app and she says, I'm sharing a bunk bed with this guy. he thinks he's a woman her fiance finds me online and says please help us my fiance is in a bunk bed with this dude and he's being disgusting I'll say you can look online if you want more of the gory details and so I got a hold of this woman I'm messaging her through the prison app and I'm saying what's happening has he hurt you has he touched you what are you dealing with and she's messaging me through the prison app begging me to help her it was just I remember waking up one morning and checking my phone and there's this long message from her about all of the disgusting acts he was committing in the bed the things he was saying to her how she woke up and he was leering over her and that's what she was dealing with in Biden's America and thankfully that guy ended up getting moved because she complained enough and we wrote about it but just disgusting Mary Margaret Olihan is a national treasure she is the White House correspondent for the daily wire Brent share or anybody else who's in charge of her salary double it you've got a great asset Mary Margaret it is so good to see you here thank you so much it's so fun being here it's always good Good to have you with us.

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