They Just Said the Quiet Part Out Loud | Episode 213

28:51When in 2024? And what were they scrutinizing? First of all, they said they were scrutinizing her finances, her campaign spending, and interactions with a foreign citizen, according to people with knowledge of the matter. The inquiry was initiated by the U.S. Attorney's Office in Washington and the Department's Public Integrity Unit in June of that year. And it appears to have stalled for lack of evidence, the New York Times claims, according to one of the people who requested anonymity to discuss internal department matters. Okay, so here's what we know. May of 24, she reveals that she was worth 50 ,000 bucks the prior year.

29:29June of 24, the Biden administration launches an investigation into her finances. In other words, something stinks to high heaven. They've detected she's got a lot more income that she's not disclosing. Something strange is going on with the money that that lady is receiving. So strange, the Biden DOJ launches an investigation into it. By the next year, she reports that she's worth upwards of$30 million. Suddenly, all of this income that clearly caught the attention of the Biden DOJ is now being disclosed publicly. But where does she claim the income comes from? She says it comes from a winery.

30:10A winery? What? A winery that sells no wine that anybody's aware of, doesn't have a functioning website, doesn't have a functioning number, is not open on weekends. A winery, what is she even talking about? So what does this look like? To me, it looks like a front. To me, it looks like she put a winery on her financial disclosures to pretend that some kind of ill-gotten income was actually from a legitimate business enterprise. But then when you go check it out, nobody's ever heard of the winery. Nobody's ever bought it. And yet it's worth millions and millions and millions of dollars. Something's not adding up here.

30:49And given her history of fraud, it's no wonder we suspect her of committing fraud again. Finally, on this point about the Biden DOJ, the Justice Department ended the investigation. Apparently they tabled it, according to The New York Times. Why would the Biden DOJ table an investigation into one of their allies? because they did a lot. Remember, the IRS investigation that was being done into the Biden family was tabled. The whistleblowers say it was tabled as they got closer and closer to Joe Biden. Impediments were thrown in their way to stop that investigation. That's the pattern. Talk about corruption in the Justice Department.

31:29That's exactly the way it was under Joe Biden. All right. We'll keep revisiting that story. But that's that's interesting. That's very interesting. As it looks like. Yeah, that's right. She had a quality leering winery. It was like it's not a real winery. It's a fake winery. Where's the wine at? It's like with quality leering center. Where are the kids at? What? This isn't real. It's just fraud. Everything is just an endless string of fraud. All right. In a moment, we're going to talk to a retired Green Beret about what the hell is going on in Minnesota. he's been in war zones and he's seen what those enemy insurgencies look like and he's very troubled by what he's seeing here in the United States of America so troubled that he wrote the world's most viral post on the subject this week and he joins us live for his very first exclusive interview right here on this edition of Vince but first owning a home is amazing owning home is an amazing thing until it's not one minute you'll be enjoying your morning coffee the next your ankle deep in water from a burst pipe now repairs don't care about your timing and they definitely don't care about your budget you protect your health your car even your phone but what about your home now that's probably your biggest investment and when something breaks it can cost you big time that's where home serve comes in regular homeowner's insurance might not cover the everyday breakdowns like a furnace failure a broken light switch a busted water heater but home serve offers plans that do help cover those kinds of repairs it's like a subscription for your home and it starts at just$4.99 a month.

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34:32Goldbelly.com. Promo code Vince. Love Gold Belly. Love it. Very good. Okay. Let's talk now about what the heck is going on in Minnesota. earlier this week, a mega viral post with nearly 40 million views by a retired Green Beret. His name is Eric Schwamm. He's been looking at what's going on in Minnesota, and he joins us now for his first interview. Eric, it is good to have you with us on the program today, sir. Thank you so much for joining me. Oh, good morning, Vince. How are you doing? I'm doing very well. And, you know, it's not every day that a reply to somebody else's tweet becomes the most viral thing on the whole internet.

35:11Did you expect this when you replied to Cam Higby? You know, Cam Higby is writing about all these insurgents, as you so aptly described them, communicating with each other over signal. You saw this and you go, whoa, I recognize that. Yeah, that's the key to the whole thing is like recognizing like. As a special forces warrant officer, we're trained to conduct unconventional warfare. So we recognize it for what it is and we can actually appreciate it for what it is. So when I saw what Cam Higby put out there, and all credit to Cam going out there and putting himself out front like that, the information he's providing just made the hair on the back of my neck go up simply because I recognize it for what it is.

35:55I could really appreciate what they're doing, how they're running their operations over there in Minnesota, the communications, organizations uh the level of networking the responses their ability to to move around up there in minnesota and be where they need to be when they need to be there so if you would just so to help people understand as we begin with your base of knowledge um what is it like overseas what do these insurgencies look like in these war zones how do they operate um so what you'll see is the average foot soldier out there and they'll be conducting operations against you um but they are sponsored by somebody and they have senior leadership out there that is guiding them into certain areas and where they need to be and what they need to do to bring the best effect on the battlefield possible.

36:45So whenever you run into an insurgent, it's because they are where they need to be when they need to be there. Because there's usually a much smaller force, they've got to conserve everything and just supply pressure wherever it is, it can produce the most effect. Otherwise, they're just going to disappear. One of the it seems like one of the features of insurgent warfare in the Middle East overseas was often the use of things like improvised weapons, improvised explosive devices, coming up with sort of novel ways to inflict damage on American troops. And I've noticed that that is sort of the feature here, too, maybe sometimes not with the same effects, although there's a lot of effort to try and perpetuate that.

37:31Coming up, I may even get into this, but there was a nurse from Virginia Commonwealth University who is advising some of these radicals that they should figure out ways to put laxatives or poison onto the ICE agents. Would that be a feature that you recognize? Anything. You got to look at what effects you're looking to produce. You can use an actual weapon, and that's mostly when they get to the higher order insurgencies, The later stages is when you'll see them get to weaponry. Initially, it's just going to be sabotage. And you can look at poisoning something as a poisoning a person or mixing up their food or giving them a laxative or something like that as a weapon, if you use it correctly.

38:16The same thing for a protest. A protest applied at the right place at the right time is a weapon, but it's got to be well coordinated and produce the effect that you're looking to do. And if you think about one of the effects that we're seeing right now is in Congress, they're talking about defunding ICE. And it comes from pressure like these protests. So a weapon is what in insurgencies can be anything which produces the effect that you're looking for. So what would you what would you call when people use terror to try and affect a political outcome? How would we describe that? That is the definition of terrorism, at least according to, I believe, the State Department, because you have to go over whose definition of terror that you're using because there's multiple definitions out there of terrorism.

39:01And the ability to say that something is terror or a terrorist is power all by itself. Like I right here, Eric Schwamm, I can't call you a terrorist and have it stick. It takes somebody with enough power and enough capability and enough legitimacy to actually call you a terrorist. And they've got to have the definition that goes along with it. So let's talk about the command and control elements, the communication elements that are involved in the domestic insurgency. You were obviously responding to Cam Higbee's excellent reporting on the subject. And what's what's really stuck out to me is that you basically have thousands of left wing radicals who are in Minnesota.

39:39They're documenting license plates of vehicles. They are very often getting their targets completely incorrect. They don't even know who's actually law enforcement, but they they still sick the mob on people regardless. And then they're in this constant stream of communication with one another about it. And then they're dispatching each other to go to these scenes to menace people that they suspect are with federal law enforcement. When you hear all of this and see this, I mean, what are you detecting? I think first off, I got to give credit where credit is due. That's an incredible capability to set up.

40:13I've been doing this for a long time. I've got a lot of my peers that have been doing this for a long time. And that's not something we're setting up in a weekend. When we sit there and say, it's instantaneous and people are doing this, that level of sophistication to get a thousand people to show up, I don't know if you have that capability to sit there and say, hey, we're going going to show up here at eight o 'clock tomorrow morning. We're going to have a thousand people on a chat line. We're going to be rotating in two hour sequences. I'm going to I will have certain people that you'll call into call out that that level of sophistication.

40:46You have to give credit where credit is due. That's some they have some capabilities going on there. And like I said, like respects like it would be if I was overseas and I could get that kind of an op running, I would be pretty happy. So what you just described sounds like this has much more central control than people realize because in order to coordinate at a level that involves that many people and to be able to mobilize them that quickly this can't merely be some sort of crowdsource diffuse event anybody who's been involved in any organization at all in their life knows that if it's everybody's responsibility it's nobody's responsibility so therefore there are people who are in charge aren't there you i would assume so i would very much assume so and And that's probably one of the reasons that I wrote what I wrote is you can't, like if you look at what ICE and CBP are out there doing right now, they are our foot soldiers out there.

41:38Their job has nothing to do with dealing with crowd control. They're not prepared operationally to deal with protesters. I'm not taking anything away from their capabilities. But them trying to do that right now is the same problem we experienced back in 2003 is where everybody had a specific job. But when you look at if it actually is a hierarchical organization that you're dealing with, we're all dealing down here with the bottom. But there's no pressure being put on the people up above. And you have to sit there and say, is there a network? Is there a hierarchy out there? And that's where this become my letter becomes important is because you have to bring in this.

42:20You can't just keep sending more ice there and more CBP there. You have to have an organization to deal with an organization and you have to have leadership. You have to have authorities. You've got to have funding. You've got to have command and control. And all of it has to be organized to go against the network that you're dealing with, wherever the network is showing up. I think probably one of the key things that really started to make me pay more attention is like what happened when they got Maduro within. So roughly what around midnight, two o 'clock in the morning is when the first reports started coming out of Venezuela.

43:00Roughly around eight, nine, ten o 'clock in the morning stateside, we had people out there, you know, having a protest. They got signs. The signs all look like they managed to get the sticks to put the signs on. So that kind of turnaround, I can't, like, again, if you think about what normal people capability is to run off signs, to produce the, so the signs all look like, to go down to your local print shop and print all those off. and then run down to Home Depot and get a whole bunch of sticks. If I was to sit there and call up even my SF brethren out there to sit there and try and run something like this, we would start on Sunday.

43:40Maybe by Wednesday we might be able to get this going. They did it in a matter of hours. And that level of sophistication, you need an organization to deal with an organization. Right now we just got the same thing we had out in 2003. Everybody was dealing with the baseline, but nobody was dealing with the upper echelon. Yeah, no, that's right. And this is why, as you aptly point out, talking about Venezuela, there's a lot of concern by people who are paying attention that this isn't merely some sort of, you know, in-the-country phenomenon, that there are outside adversaries who are funding this chaos to include the Chinese Communist Party.

44:17I mean, a lot of people keep pointing in the direction of a billionaire called Neville Roy Singham, who is very connected to the Chai comms and is believed to be very much one of the important sort of funding factors for this insurgency in Minnesota. So your suspicion is that it takes kind of immense resources to be able to do this. Yes. I mean, the resources is time, money, effort, equipment, the knowledge to use the systems that they're using to create the communications that they've got going over there. I've seen a couple different reports this morning just about the different systems that they're using.

44:57Just as you talked about getting the license plates. And that's another key element I'm going to talk about real quick is they're exploiting a seam there. So in the United States, our intel organizations are essentially handcuffed. Like I can't, as an intel person, I can't start collecting on Americans, start putting in a database. I can't keep a screenshot. if I'm actually working for the government, I can't keep a screenshot of your Facebook page on my computer. We just said that's, you know, it's what Edward Snowden went to, you know, all the problems that he went through when he tried to expose how much information they were collecting.

45:33So, but if I'm a civilian and I'm, I have knowledge and I have capabilities, I can produce an Intel database about the police that, you know, I can take your picture, put together a profile on you. I can go online and to some of these other websites and download your family, get a background on you. I would not surprise me to find that they've got a database out there for probably, you know, maybe 50 % of the policemen that they're countering out there just so they can profile them. And that level of intel that they are capable of doing because they're not being controlled by a government, that level of intel has to come.

46:12Like, again, your average person on the street doesn't know how to do this stuff. You have to have somebody, some sort of cadre in there who is teaching them. And we've seen the book. They promoted a training manual for the Minnesota protests. We have a 20-page manual that they made. Magnificent, again, you know, like I wish I could circulate that on my battlefield to the people I was working with. You know, okay, here's a digital one for you. So in other words, this is very professional. So here's something that I keep thinking about. And I asked Azra Nomani is a great reporter for Fox News. She just wrote about this signal chat the other day.

46:48And when I interviewed her, I asked her a question, Eric. I said, hey, any evidence that there are government officials who are a part of this signal operation who are helping out the insurrectionists? And and I and I know just having read about it, talk to people who've been involved in counterinsurgency like yourself, that sometimes what you get in overseas among our enemies is not only sort of civilian insurgents on the battlefield, but you also get compromised government officials who are working with them, like, you know, like corrupt cops who really should be enforcing the law, but instead are on the side of the insurgents because they're making money or whatever.

47:23I mean, to what extent are you suspicious that that may be at play, too? Is there, you know, as local law enforcement is standing down or has been has been not helping the feds at all? They've shown some some some of the cops have shown some open antipathy towards the federal operations that are going on in the state. I begin to wonder, like, are any of those guys compromised? Are they sending data to the insurgents to let them know about either law enforcement operations, license plate data or anything like that? I would be remiss in saying that I don't suspect that. I have to keep an open mind and always be looking around to see who might be involved.

48:00But you have to also understand that not everybody's involved, you know, maybe by ideology. There's a lot of different ways that you can co-op somebody to work for you. You can use money. You can use their ideology. You can compromise them in some sort of way or even their ego. We refer to that as the mice concept of trying to get somebody to work for you. And I'm 100 % going to back the blue. I support them. My neighbor is an officer. I always support the police officers. I have a degree in criminal justice myself. And again, overseas, I worked a lot of very similar type operations to what police do.

48:43So the reasons and even overseas, when you're working with like the police officers, like in like Iraq that we worked with, they may have inwardly, they may have supported us, but their families have to live in the community. And it would take nothing for if you have a strong enough effort for me to go talk to their family. If I was an insurgent, go talk to their family and say, look, if your husband, whatever, doesn't start dancing the way we want him to dance, we're going to make life really, really difficult for you. Yes, or we'll keep our people away from him if you guys help us out. That kind of thing.

49:19Yep. And, you know, New York, this type Gambino type things where you get people to do what you want them to do through ulterior means. Yeah, no, it's a it's a it's a big deal. And I'm with you, too. I support law enforcement because I think they're the ball work against chaos and we definitely need them right now. But then I see things like the Minneapolis police chief standing there and nodding his head as all of this ridiculous anti-law enforcement activity is happening. And I feel I'm so it's like awful. I'm just thinking, like, you should be supporting law enforcement like the rest of us because that's your job.

49:52And that's what you signed up for is restoring order to your community. Yes, absolutely. With, you know, with law enforcement officers, with soldiers and everything, it's no man left behind. You always support the brother because the last thing you want to do is be some police officer who's out there, who's compromised. and when you call for help, nobody comes to you. You always want that feeling that somebody's going to come for you and it's going to be a brother, it's going to be a sister who wears a badge or wears the U.S. Army tape or whatever. So I can't say, you know, I see what he's doing and I watch it and I can't say to what end he's compromised, but I'm not comfortable with his actions.

50:33But I don't know the reasons why. He knows the reasons why he is the way he is And and if maybe someday, you know, people look a little bit deeper into it and maybe they'll discover why. So, Eric, last for you and thank you for doing this today. I really appreciate this conversation. I'm really getting a lot out of it. We're talking to Eric Schwamm, former U.S. Army Green Beret, who detects an insurgency here in the United States as he looks at all this. We heard from Kash Patel, the director of the FBI, a few days ago. He now says that the FBI has launched a criminal investigation into these signal chats.

51:06They're looking into these groups. The result of that, I saw Cam Higby posting is now the signal chat is going a bit haywire. They now know that they're definitely being watched by the FBI. What would you counsel the FBI to do here and to look for, given your experience with counterinsurgency overseas? Is there anything that that you think that they should be concentrating on? Movement, essentially, as you as you start going after these type of organizations and you start picking them apart, there's going to be actions like I believe it was last night where they were talking about there's a little bit like within the communications people are starting to question each other.

51:50You know like apparently somebody's talking to Cam Higbee and so they're looking for that person right now and so you're going to see movement on the net. Every time you poke into something like that you want to watch where the movement goes where people step out to and those are all clues like we used to do uh if we hit a target overseas like we did on target remove somebody from the target one of the things we would do is continue to watch the target afterward to see what happens you always want if it's just like disturbing an anthill once you disturb that anthill look for what happens next don't just get caught up in in in the hoo-yahs and everything of slapping yourself on the back when you yes you make something happen out there and there's there's a lot of ways that that uh that cash could do that there's a lot of people out there doing so much good stuff yeah as far as as picking stuff apart uh you look at what like data republican is doing out there with looking at the crunching the numbers uh mike ben's uh sam shoemate uh mike shelby all those guys are out there really good intel people and they're picking at the surfaces of stuff and pulling things out there that can if you look at it um you know just piece by piece by piece you're going to see the network start to appear and it really takes a lot of time like everybody's going to be one thing we had in intelligence is everybody always demanded what does the picture look like what does the picture look like right and and i will tell you this intelligence is like working with a puzzle where you've got three different puzzles mixed into the box.

53:28There's no picture on the cover of the box of what you're trying to make. You're missing about 50 pieces of each different puzzle. And you could go down any lane if you start making one puzzle. And it could be the wrong puzzle that you're building. So no picture, no idea. You're just trying to figure stuff out. And it's all about looking at all the puzzle pieces with an open mind. And actually, And the other thing is, is appreciate the level of sophistication of the people that you're going after. You have to give them credit. You can't sit there and think that they're, you know, they don't know what they're doing.

54:02The sophistication is out there. Yes, not everybody has a room temperature IQ, dying their hair blue and attacking cops. Some of them know what they're doing and they're very sinister. Eric Schwalm, former U.S. Army Green Beret. Go ahead, sir. One more thing. Go ahead. Oh, yeah. One more thing. I just want to talk about one of the things that's going out there, at least among for the SF brethren, for the veterans and stuff like there. Please look at Matt Larson, who ran the U.S. Army Combatives Program and Sergeant Major Mike Vining. They're talking about moral injury right now, and they are kind of on the forefront of the PTSD, moral injury things.

54:41And as veterans, we need to take care of each other. Twenty two a day is just way too many. It is way too many. And I'm sorry, I haven't heard this expression before. Moral injury. What does moral injury mean? Moral injury, if you look at it, my understanding of it, Matt can probably explain a lot better, but I was raised a certain way. I came from a blue collar family, very, very religious. What I grew up with, what I understand to be morals were framed. And when you go overseas into combat, even law enforcement officers can face moral injury as well, is your morals, the morals inside a combat zone, the morals in policing and stuff like that change.

55:22And so you have a clash of ideologies between the morals that you had to develop in combat and the morals that you grew up with, were raised with, and everything else like that. And so we call the moral injury is that difference of I'm not the same. I'm not the good person my mom and dad raised me to be and that you live with that. And it's a personal injury that you got to reconcile that you are you are no longer that good boy that your mom and dad raised. I see what you're saying. You're testing the limits of your moral boundaries because you're making literal life and death decisions. It's a it's a very tough job.

55:59And I'm so grateful for every person who raises their hand and does it for us. I am too. Eric, thank you. Thank you so much for all of this information. I, I instantly have inferred that we're going to hear a lot more from you because everybody's going to want to talk to Eric Schwamm. Thank you very much. I'm so grateful you came on with us today. Thank you, sir. All right. Good to talk to you. There's Eric Schwamm, U.S. Army Green Beret, a guy who, who knows his stuff. He knows his stuff. And I'm very grateful that he came on with us today. Great conversation. And, and he sees it guys. He sees what's going on in Minnesota.

56:30He goes, I've seen this before. I've seen this overseas. This is what our adversaries do. This is what they do, these insurgencies. And I know how to break them up. And so let me just offer just a piece of unsolicited advice to the government, our government, as they dig through all of this. Rely on guys like Eric Schwamm. The guys who have all of this experience, real life experience, hard-earned experience going after insurgencies, rely on them to give you good guidance on how we do this in the United States. Yes, of course, we're dealing with U.S. citizens, some of whom have been radicalized, who are involved in all of this.

57:06Every aspect of a pursuit of them should be constitutional because we're trying to restore the Constitution and the rule of law in the face of a left that's trying to tear us down. But rely on the guys who know how to break through these criminal enterprises because that guy's got it together. Man, he's good. Isn't he good, everybody? I appreciate him. Yeah, I am glad he's on our side. He's good. He's good stuff. If you enjoyed that interview or anything else on the program, please share the show. We got to have lots of people watching it because I figure if we're going to have the best audience anywhere, it may as well be the biggest best audience anywhere.

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